Previous Trainer was afraid part 2
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2023
- First time working with this new horse. 1st trainer was afraid to get on him and 2nd trainer made it worse. Now the owner is afraid of him. I'm going to see if I can help him. This is the 2nd part of the first day with me working him.
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Same for me. He puts together everything useful I have ever learned in the past 30 years. I have the exact same horse! He came to me 7 years ago for free because he was so unruly that he had become dangerous. I took him in and we went through the exact same routine. By now he is a very good friend and partner and we are enjoying our time together. I will continue watching this channel. There is always more to learn :)
It's really interesting that he has already learned to avoid the bit. Those people who criticize your training techniques have little to no experience being around horses. You have a horse who isn't paying attention, I'll show you an injured rider. Whips are just tools. I used them to reinforce if necessary, as they are an extension of my arm and keep me safe. And that's the point. Period.
"period"...as if THAT was it and nothing else. There are literally thousands of people who do things differently as pros and can criticise. Equating a horse's little attention to an employee's little attention is quite far fetched, they are not human, so don't humanise them, train them. I don't have a go at this pro cos there is just no need, turn to another channel and that's it. He demands quite a lot, but really needs to loose about 50 lbs to be taken seriously in the horse training world, where a high level of agility, stamina, mobility are quite necessary. I do a lot of jumping up to lay on the horse and later sit on him bareback, as do many others, even having put the saddle on within the 1st hour, the reason being that to bail out you simply slide off. Just about every horse (not all of them) you mess around with bareback will not buck under saddle. I really don't see him doing any of that, what a shame.
Avoiding the bit already is only a symptom of previous trainer's using aggression shortcuts to make up for lack of ground training skills. Personally I would take this horse into the round pin with my lariat and work on attention and yield and then continue with lead rope working on yield and softening neck. People always remember if the groundwork is solid the saddle work is easy and flags always work better than a whip. PS. Don't take my word for it I've only been training mustangs and ranch horses for 40 years and horses still teach me but I do know this a horse trained by an aggressive trainer should only be ridden by skilled Rider a horse trained in a non-aggressive partnership can be ridden by children.
If you watch the previous video you could see him make scared eyes as soon as he heard the word "bit". Then was continuously mouthing in anticipation. He told you long before how he felt about it.
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@@dng267 By “period”, they were saying that the use of a whip should only be as a tool. They weren’t saying that it was the only way to train a horse.
You’re right. There are plenty of methods for training a horse. But there’s only one correct way to use a whip. And that is as a training tool, an aid on the back, and for safety as you see this training doing in this video (the distance thing); a whip is NOT meant for beating on and lashing your horse to the point of fear, which is unfortunately how most people view whips.
That’s all they meant by saying “period” and it’s mildly concerning that you got so defensive about it and immediately assumed they were saying that whips are the only way to train a horse. :/
This horse is truly a dangerous character. He’s fairly easy to handle on the ground and that’s deceiving. His disrespect is obvious to those of us that train and know better. Has he been in a herd of mares? They’d teach him a lot. They would never accept his bad manners. He’s grown up isolated maybe or humans have allowed him to be a bully. Many that I get to train have never been in a herd. And it shows, no respect and no manners. Tim yer doing a fantastic job, he needs to be with you for a while or go to someone who trains like you, when you’re done, he’d regress very easily to his bad behaviors.
Yes horses that have been in a herd learn a lot of these things. Owners now days want to wrap their horses in bubble wrap. I've offended many people by saying that if the horse can't survive being a horse I wouldn't own it.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingain't that the truth! 30 years ago I worked part time at an English show barn with really expensive horses.
Most of the horses got daily turn out with buddies, with the exception of a big imported Hanoverian. He played too hard with others, so we booted all 4 legs, bell boots too and turned him out in a smaller paddock alone....where he proceeded to jump the 5 foot board fence lol.
The solution ended up being a mammoth donkey turned out with him. The donkey taught him how to respectfully play with others and they were happy.
Mentally and physically, they all need time to just be horses.
@@tracyjohnson5023Love that story. I can just picture that big, fancy Hanoverian and his Mammoth Donkey friend. 😅
@@suzanneyoung8011 it was pretty awesome for both. The Hanoverian was 17.3 lol. He was purchased for $225k and imported from Germany already inspected and branded back in 1988 so that would probably be about $700k today.
So if a way could be found for that horse to get turn out time and a buddy, most people have no excuse not to let their horse be a horse.
Greetings from Australia. Nice work Tim. You're doing a great job with that big horse. Regards Gerard
Also, don't just fix the horse,fix the people who deal with him.
The people are always the hardest part
@@tracyjohnson5023same w dogs, I promise
This is amazing training information! I see a lot of young talented headstrong horses paired with women who don’t have the experience and assertiveness necessary to instill proper training and develop dominant horses into a quality partner that has the ability to lead the rider and instill confidence, which is one of the chief positive attributes to a well trained dominant horse. Seeing the respect he began to express toward you so quickly is so rewarding! I think horses, like men, want to feel heard and respected, but a green horse with a headstrong personality needs strong boundaries to ensure that spirit is developed in a way that is safe and advantageous. Almost like parenting a bright and talented but rambunctious boy. Thank you for this education, fantastic work!
Watching you work with horses is NEVER boring to me. It might be boring to people who aren't able to see the change, the softening, the willingness... or to those who are looking for drama. No, NOT BORING if you know what to look for. For those of you who don't see the small signs before the big ones, well...God help you if you ever meet an unruly horse.
The good thing is, IME that horses don't lie. It always shows in their eyes, or other small 'tells' what their frame of mind is at any moment.
Tim, you are a true Master Horseman.
My Dad used to tell me, "The back hooves will hurt you, the front hooves can kill you"...
Not intimidating him in any way. You are fair , clear and reasonable! Prayers for your wife!
What’s wrong with his wife ? May I ask
He's one beautiful animal. Looks more like a race horse than a quarter horse.His body is beautifully balanced.❤
That's what I was thinking. Being a throughbred could explain his attention span. And his size. But quarter horses can look throughbred, if they are the racing type. I had a quarter horse that looked like a throughbred and her full sister looked like a quarter horse. They were from a family of a throughbred stallion called Three Bars. He was races and then went into stud to cross with quarter horses.
Looks like a thoroughbred for sure. Wonder if he is off the track and someone bought him thinking they were saving him. Though most of the track horses are very good on the ground. The first two trainers may have been quarter horse trainers that didn"t understand that this is a totally different type of horse and needs different way of training. This man is very common sense and consistent and recognizes this horse needs this.
@@susansullivan8566that's why he was sent here remember
@rockers7889 No, this is the first video of him I've seen.
Lots of QH have a lot of TB blood in them
If people complain that you're firm and discipline the horses that need it, then they don't understand horses. The real fact of the matter is you're probably saving this horse's life and very likely saving somebody from very serious injury. If his issues don't get fixed he's a danger to him self and anybody that is in close contact with him.
Same with dogs...firm discipline in the beginning to establish dominance is key to respect from the animal.
Both of the above comments (horse & dog) hit the nail square on the head! ☝️🐴👍
Really learnt a lot from this session. Had a few horses as a kid and realise that I'd inherited a horse that had a few traits I didn't understand and thus never really had a good time. Wish there had been someone around like you to help both horse and me.
Cheers from Australia.
I would what Australian horses are like ? Bumbes right ?
In my 40 years of watching many different trainers this is absolutely the best, safest, most common sense philosophy I have ever seen, and he uses the way a horse thinks to get the best from the horse! Thank you!!!
There is so much information in your two videos with Bubba that is applicable in a wide range of training issues. Thank you so much for freely sharing your extensive knowledge. Love your narrative as you work with your horses, extremely helpful!!!
Exactly! Videos from Tim are what's great about the internet, hopefully many will learn correct why's and how's of horse training.
I think so also !!
Thanks Tim, for keeping it REAL! There is not a mean bone in your body, I really appreciate your objectivity. Your approach makes sense, you accomplish your goals and never intimidate to a point of fear. Your patience is apparent in your finish prospects!
It's also smart to know when to get off. He's had a really good brain teaching lesson. That needs to sink in before moving forward and over stressing and confusing him. Great job.😊
very glad to see all the mounting block work. people wonder why they can't control when they are on... when they should have noticed they had no control while mounting...
Another W O W film.
I'm a first time viewer to your channel and like what I see !! Basically, I'm an 81 year-old man who really is a "city boy" with no real horse experience at all !! However, I like watching horses go through their paces and respond/respect their owners on command !! I think I am going to enjoy watching your training and see the end results !! God Bless you as we move forward !!
This is the first time I've watched you train. You have what I consider an old school method. One of patience and attention to the horse. I was taught at a very young age that success comes from convincing a horse that what you expect them to do is what they want to do. I learned that you can only "cancel" a bad behavior with calmness, repetition and consistency. I see you doing exactly that. I chuckled when you talked about people saying their horse did something without warning. LOL I've claimed that myself while knowing full well that I simply wasn't listening to what Jazz was saying and had only myself to blame. Jazz was my first horse and I have a couple of scars marking times when I got lazy or too full of myself. LOL I've enjoyed watching you.
You are the Cesar Milan of horse trainers! Love these videos.
That is not a compliment. Cesar Milan abuses dogs and is not welcome in the UK.
Just like a kid, Make sure when u tell him to do a little chore, make Sure he does it, Those little details Count! Excellent job!
I am totally in agreement on how you deal with this horse. I've been knocked down and trompled by a horse who had no respect for your space. Wasn't my own horse.
I agree completely with his training methods. Clearly, this horse is the result of inexperienced individual(s) who did not start him as a foal and did not teach him respect. I’m an experienced equestrian and this guy would be a bit more than I’d want to deal with. People can completely destroy a horse with their lack of knowledge. While he’s not supple and completely unbalanced, he does have a nice floaty trot and could see him - down the road in the English discipline.
I have a new horse who acts just like this. Thank you for these pointers
I feel like he's one smart cookie, what a great lesson for him! 💖 I reckon he is having fun really, once he works out who's in charge 🐎
He looks suspiciously Thoroughbred.
Your patience is what it takes to train anything and you have my respect. Great channel!
You’re reading him really well and I don’t mind watching you from the back it’s fine you can see his head flexing better this way
Thankyou so much for pointing out the actual horse behaviors, ears,attitude etc, and how to respond , it is so helpful
Most helpful are your explanations of what you are doing and why, and the horses behavior. Amazes me how many people don't guard their space, watch horses in a pen or pasture space is key that's who rules the roost.
What a beautiful horse. I’m so glad that you are able to keep him from becoming dog meat.
I love watching an expert. I'm getting my fix here almost daily. Thanks Tim.🎉😊❤
I've said a prayer for you as carer and your wife as patient. I know how hard it was for me for 3 years caring for my husband and I was not also working a full time very demanding job like you are. God bless. 🙏
Well if the owner decides he's not for her, I'd love to have this horse. I've been blessed to have had the give an inch take a mile horses many times in my life.
This is my first horse training video. I've ALWAYS understood the language of the body and mind with animals. The eyes, posture etc. All tells you about psychology and mental state. VERY cool video! I can feel each step you highlight with this animal. Super informative. Also, I like this horse. He is smart and has a mind to be a wild horse, but you handled him in the necessary way to shift him into a tame servant for man. VERY IMPRESSIVE! The little things are the big things. Always. Nature knows this! Excellent video. Subscribed! Thanks for the legendary narration. I learned a lot. 👊🏼👍🏼
This was amazing how fast he started to catch on it's just amazing to me. I wish I could afford you LOL! Seriously though this is a very important video I can see why now I can count a handful of things that I used to do with my horses that I didn't realize was a dominance problem. Luckily I've never been hurt yet by a horse too badly, I've been kicked once in the leg which hurt but it could have been so much worse.
He really did look tense and nervous when you first mounted. It was really nice to see him stop pulling and somewhat relax, get softer and stand ( however brief it was). Problems don't start overnight and they take just as long/ sometimes way, way longer to fix.
I totally agree with your use of "demand". If you don't get the result you are asking for, your cue is not effective enough.
AFTER you get the response, you can begin to back off the intensity of your cue.
Many people see these push-button horses and don't have a clue what it takes to get them to that point.
Similar to a toddler. When you first tell them "no" and they don't respond approriately, they should receive a swat. If that redirecion continues, by the time they are 4, I would bet they no longer need a swat. Probably, all that is required is a stern look or a small verbal cue.
It's no different with the horse. Except horses are WAY larger and very able to cause serious harm.
Yea but those kids who don’t get the discipline are the ones joining crowds that burn cities down.
nohillforahighstepper, Striking a small child to teach respect ( for Any reason) is stupid, cruel and in some places, illegal.
@@aileen694
That's your opinion... to which I disagree.
@@aileen694there's wildlife video of a mumma bear being annoyed by her cub wanting to jump on her. Eventually she turns and gives it a swat. The cub finally got the message and became quiet and respectful. You will see this in other species. A swat is a short sharp bump. It is not bad, child abuse, or torture. It is sound training technique.
@@aileen694 Watch horses in a herd. There a always the alpha mare and she corrects bad behavior sharply and quickly - a bite or a kick. But she doesn’t hold a grudge. She just doesn’t tolerate it. Neither does Tim. He clearly has an excellent understanding of horses and trains to achieve safe, reliable, well-mannered horses. Correcting small children over whom you as an adult have clear dominance by virtue of size if not even close to training or correcting an animal who weighs 800-1200 pounds and can easily overpower you. Small children don’t pose a physical threat - horses can.
Seems little like the horse has choice, in the ask tell demand. Meaning pay attention turn. Easy. Also Tim, for those nay sayers, I dont think another horse would put up with rude behavior. Hoofs teeth etc. Its awesome to see the change, Theres beauty in the dance, your saving a lot of injury for horses and owners if they can see it.
I need to send my granddaughter to you and get her some trainings😊
He’s a beauty. Smooth mover, hopefully will be a lovely ride.
Video of the year.
This horse is Gorgeous!❤❤
Really impressed with your training regimen and people that criticize you about such for being unnecessary punishment are idiots! A lot of the work that you are doing with this horse to make it safe to be around reminds me of my experience with a purebred dominant male Rottweiler that I adopted from a shelter after its previous owner dumped it there.
Excellent communication about what’s going on with the horse. Well done!
Great video as always!! Hope you’ll continue posting about Bubba so we can learn the process of his training. Thank you so much! Hope your wife is doing okay
If bubba was a racehorse he'd definitely be the full blinker kind. He's for sure a horse that's going to need a full time job.
I am not a
Quarter person. I have mostly worked with Arab. This horse this trainer makes me want to ride. I know that he is trained well. It makes me glad to see him read that horse so well. Noce to watch you.
The smallest things take time. Get them right the rest becomes easy. It is a game of who has the greater patience.
What progress he relaxed.
He had at last direction from the leader.
Figure his owner WANTED a perfect product and got what now fixing and she is used to sit point go.
Wow…so many good tidbits-Ask, tell, demand….👍
Ooee, he's a stubborn butt. As someone who was never taught lunging, this is fascinating for me. I had to do all my teaching in the saddle. Fortunately, I had decent luck, but I also ate some dirt lol...
Bubba is in the best hands with you. I am so excited to see his progression.
Respect to you! :) So far, I'm not liking this horse much. It seems like he's missing some major ground work, like he's not ready for riding. Can't wait to see how you fix him.
I love this horse!
My guess is he had ZERO foundation work as a foal and was in the hands of an inexperienced person who simply cemented that pushy - and dangerous- behavior.
I may be old, but it is a pleasure to watch and learn how to train a horse. It was a good thing that I refused to train a stallion I was asked to do because I would have made a mess of it, and I love animals, so I will just watch and learn from you. Thank you for sharing with me.
I understand what you are say. I appreciate that you are the leader, and he is the follower.
I rode horses when I was in my teens. I understand your training and logic when working with horses. Respect yall have a wonderful day Sir. Grandma from Texas
He has such a beautiful head he will be magnificent when grown and trained.
Mr. Tim Anderson; you showing up in Motown; thank you for the knowledge!!!
Great training for horse & viewers. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Tim you are brave to be getting on that wingnut! Beautifully done as usual
He does not look like a mean or bad horse, just got a sorry start, not his fault, ever !!
@dawncamp303 Whether he is bad or mean isn't relevant or even an appropriate way to assess an animal, but what is relevant is that he's dangerous and distracted.
If you say he's a wingnut, then in your mind he's a wingnut then in your hands he will likely be a wingnut. And I don't believe Tim takes unnecessary chances with life & limb - his risks are calculated, minimal and well thought out.
@saspinks3001 Madam, I've rehabilitated horses that would have put you on a feeding tube. This one is a wingnut though far from thr worst. To be doing this kind of work in your 60s is brave, period.
When something outweighs you by 1000lbs thoughts and feelings can't be part of the equation for simple self preservation. I believe this is where you earn respect, if any animal doesn't respect you, there will be consequences you won't like. People are fearful of being dominant leader's demanding action with accountability. Great work!
Always so educational!
Just found your video by dumb luck. The way you use lunging as a training tool is what I used to do years ago, I think a lot of trainers forget this. Love your comments and your notes on the screen. Could you keep the written comments on screen 2 more seconds I'm an old fart and don't read that quick. 😊 I look forward to tomorrow to watch buba's progress.
Same for me, I read a little slow. I find myself double tapping left side is screen to take vid back a few seconds to finish reading.
That horse is SO INTIMIDATED! Look at the alert ears and the easy trotting of the totally intimidated horse. 😀
If that is how you read this horse you will be seriously hurt one day. Nothing about his says intimidated. I sure hope this was a joke!
@@timandersonhorsetraining There was a 😀emoji!
I'm looking at alert ears and confident trotting. He's feeling pretty good about himself, and learning about you and your personal space. Maybe no one had ever set and defended boundaries before.
More interesting is the human body language - in part 1 yours is calm business, no trepidation, no aggression, sending a "I have a right to be here and do this" message. That's the way I was taught to approach psych patients.
Sorry I should have put my reading glasses on. Lol.
I missed the emoji also
@@timandersonhorsetraining
amazing to see you work
thank you
Anyone who thinks that they're the boss of a 1000 lb animal, is nothing but a fool. Partnership is everything. 60 year horse owner, & trainer here. Want to watch a real trainer? Buck Brannaman is the go to guy.
Not only was he initially looking outward, but was stiff and front end tracking outside. Later he paid attention and also relaxed and went to work and got softer and tracked in a circle. He is stiff kind of like a former racehorse who was ridden mostly one direction. Flexing hard for him. Bet this bit of work makes him sore. Noticably better in one session! He is paying better attention. I bet a rider cannot have any attention lapse with this guy. This was good to watch!
thx for NOT over using the whip
Big boy, but still a teenager. 😂
This horse is a constant negotiator for position.
I really like your training
Really great video that demonstrates you can’t go forward with the basics until you have the fundamentals first.
I have been around horses I was able to walk and have been riding all my life. I am now in my 60s. This is how it is done folks. Firm, yet kind. Once you get a horse to respect you, you can do about anything with them. Why? Because they want to. That horse acts to me like when I am start a young horse. I would ask. What did they other trainers do? He should have a soft mouth and be flexible in his body. To the people who criticize Tim's training techniques please understand. Horse equipment are only tools. It is who is holding the horse equipment and how they use them that makes or breaks a horse. When it breaks a horse, they can end up at the feed lot, because they become a danger to everyone around them. Men like Tim are probably saving this young horse from a bad situation and keeping someone from getting hurt. And Tim. I don't think your videos are boring at all. I believe if a person can not read a horse's body language they are missing out on a lot of knowledge. BTW. That is a beautiful horse. Love the look of a nice Bay.
I appreciate your demeanor with the horse and your calm narration. I like to know the why of what the horse is doing, and what you are doing. Thank you for this, I learned that the looking at everything outside the round pen is a way of being dominant, that I have been unworthy of his attention; this is an eye opener. I have subscribed, thank you.
I noticed a reflection of light from the camera lens or a fluff flying through air. Maybe TMI.
I enjoy the training you do with horses. Very thoughtful.
Wow. I've got a lot of respect of trainers showing and explaining exaktly what they are doing.
It was'nt boring a second.
And what you said about some trainers making videos about borders...oh yes....
Watching the body language of the horse was very interesting.
Thank you very much, I realy am honoring what you do FOR this horse. Greetings from Germany. 🙏👋🇩🇪
What a beautiful arena work space you've got.
I like that-right thing easy, wrong thing hard…
Good morning guys. Keep up the good work. Thank you for video Tim.😀
I love seeing how intuitive you are. This is a real lovely specialty you have. ❤️ thank you for the video
I feel sorry for him. I have seen my father lose his patience with horses and your attitude with this animal is so reminiscent.
It is the absolute responsibility of any horse owner to do everything in their power to make sure their horse has the best chance for a good new home should the unthinkable happen to them. This applies to dogs as well.
I have learned so much! Thanks for posting these videos.
He is so sceard it is better ways to help this horse to conect and trust people again!
New subscriber today, 10/28, greatly agree with your firm kindness, assertive but caring, I'm 63 years old and as of this birthday(10/24) have literally been riding 60 years, got my shetland pony, real good boy, knee-high when I was 3, he absolutely was my first teacher, he was a wise old boy, treated me well and insisted I rode him and paid attention, giving commands and that I was in control....if I wasn't on top of things he'd just stop, stand and do nothing until I took charge, loved that pony and we were his forever home, he was awesome and wise, did all my firsts, picking up and picking out hooves, grooming, leading, tacking up, everything, rip my sweet knee-high ❤ 💙
I appreciate your statement that an equal partnership results in someone getting hurt. So true. Why don't people watch herd behavior.
Flags are better than whips. It never works to rush training. A horse is stressed leaving his home and owner and being moved to a new barn and new trainer.
Very nice looking horse, hope he makes progress and makes a nice riding horse!!
Can I just say that the arena and background is so beautiful and inviting.
He acts like my cat. lol You say his name, the ears don't move and he is like...nah. 😆Problem is a horse is a hell of a lot bigger.
The first few minutes of this video SCREAMED 'hand-reared foal' at me.
Folks, if you ever get an orphan foal, do _anything you can_ to get it a surrogate/adoptive/foster equine mother (or even a kindly equine uncle! - there are some geldings who like foals very much) ASAP, even if it's not one who can feed baby.
Thank u for sharing ur training methods and explaining what u r doing to get the desired results.
It's never the animals fault. It's the lack of proper training and ALOT of patience for any animal. Who knows what the other so called trainers did or not do. Animals are not born with knowledge of training or anything else in a humans world. What the previous people said or did it here say ....
I've never had a horse or been around them. But I am fascinated with their power and beauty. Thoroughly enjoy your training videos!
Very fascinating! Thank you
I agree. In herds, horses have a leader. They expect to have a leader and it better be the human.
I could listen to you talk all day. So level and calm. Soothing to me. Im new today.😊
Thank you for your total honesty about not letting his problem that brought him to you, I so admire of you. As a person who likes to see a teainer doing his job and bot so concerned with views.
I have been watching fir a few weeks and so glad I found you i kearn with each vudeos
Teaching a horse to flex is so important and often overlooked. If he cant yield to bit
ein pressure he cant round his back and relax. If he cant round his back he cant get his hindquarters under him for propulaion and be forward.
Very good lesson. I am 66 years old and have had horses since i was a teenager. Riding driving pulling logs and therapy.
I have always used flexion both lateral and superior and inferior. I ride english but the principle is the same. Dressage and jumping require a supple horse that understands how to use his body. Same with reigning and cutting. If his hindquarters are strung out behind him hes going to fall flat on his face. He cant collect and extend his gait if hes stiff. Not to mention how UNCOMFORTABLE it is to ride. Great job. New subscriber.
Great video. Learning alot ❤
You are amazing w/this horse! A lot of interesting information. Beautiful horse.
Enjoyed this thank you