IL-2 1946: Me-262 Killers
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IL2 1946 4.13.4
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LOL WTF THE FLAK!!!11
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yeah how stupid how stupid !!
Wow I’ve watched a lot of your videos this is by FAR the best one
Your ground attack chops are off the hook! Very cool to watch.
that 262 hit really makes you jump!
During the final months of the war, a great many Alled fighters were pushed into ground attack roles. They bore huge losses. It wasn't easy.......
P51, Typhoon and P47 or F6 maybe. Cool video😎👍
I'd kill for having friends that play Il2 like yours
I totally get strafing a plane in a dugout, prepping for flight, or even on/shortly after takeoff.
But something feels dirty watching 1:39 to 2:30. I thought gears down, trying to land was like an understood surrender. Like at least wait for the guy to bail out before shooting up his plane.
They didn't realize what they had with that little jet and thank goodness or the allies losses would have been much higher
During WW2, air-to-ground rockets were extremely inaccurate, hitting their targets approximately 5% of the time.
In IL2 1946, they seem to DESTROY their targets about 95% of the time!
Usually people complain we are too inaccurate. Nice change of pace.
@@Fishyyy Haha! I once read a book about WW2 German fighter aces where German Ace Adolph Galland thought an accurate combat simulator would be the best form of training new pilots. You are better than the best German fighter aces because you have the benefit of practicing attacks and firing angles over and over without the risk of death. And when you die or get severely wounded, you get to start over. So perhaps 95% rocket accuracy would have been achievable with computer simulators in 1941. Thanks for posting your videos!
It's quite a bit more accurate when you dont have to worry about dying. Even if a car sim is perfectly modeled, sim laps will be faster than irl ones for the same reason
Flak was heavy at these places in real life and I would have expected at least one attacker to get shot down by them.
To be fair they made a video where a Komet 163 takes out 5 bombers, so this is payback
Throughout history, it has been shown time and again that it is the small and somewhat out of the ordinary military units that hold a special fascination for military historians and enthusiasts. If the unit was one of the vanquished then there are often no records at all, which makes things even more mysterious. The Parrot Squadron can certainly be classified as one of these types of units. The use of the Me 262 resulted in a revolution in both technology and tactics of fighter aircraft and sparked off in 1944, not even three decades after they first saw action in the first World War II, the era of piston-engined fighter planes. But the birth pangs of jet aircraft also ensured that piston-engined fighters should continue to have their place-namely, to protect the very aircraft they were designed to replace. Because of the short engine life (25 hours), partly due to the lack of strategically important metals and alloys for the turbines, the Me 262 was very sensitive to rapid changes in throttle and required long flat takeoffs and approaches on landing . Of course, these vulnerabilities could not remain hidden from the Allied fighter pilots for long, and with the help of decrypted secret reports (ULTRA) and by reconnaissance of known places where jet fighters were stationed, they soon managed to engage with the new fighters with some chance of success (" blow jobs" and "rat catching"). To counter this threat, the Luftwaffe believed that propeller-driven fighters could supplement local flak and provide early warning of enemy activity in the surrounding airspace. Photographs and documents show that units like the III./KG (J) 54 and the III./JG 7 used smaller numbers of FW 190A-8 and Bf 109 G-14s respectively to protect their jet fighters. As far as is known, these small units did not have official names. However, the importance of these defensive measures can be gauged from the fact that the first official order for the FW 190D-9 high-performance fighters when they were first used by III./JG 54 in October 1944 was for "airfield defense for the special fighters", i.e. in the Protection of the Nowotny commando's Me 262s operating from Hesepe and Achmer. When it became clear six months later, when JV 44 was set up, that this protection The following explanations on the operational procedures of Jagdverband 44 represent a synthesis of the material presented by Steinhoff (1976) and Toliver and Constable (1991) and Captain Faber's memories and Obit. Stiglers. Various published (e.g. Held, 1988) and unpublished photos (Stigler collection) served to supplement and confirm their comments. The command post of JV 44 was in a school on the western outskirts of the village of Feldkirchen, about two kilometers east of the airfield. A small radar unit, directly subordinate to JV 44, was also housed in the village. The field command post, in a tent on the airfield itself, was under the command of Lt. Herbert Kaiser, head of ground control. This made it relatively easy to move the command posts, which was often necessary as a result of the constant Allied attacks on the airfield. The spartan rest room for the pilots consisted only of several small wooden sheds, a few lawn chairs and tables, and a field telephone. Based on the background of the published photos of the JV 44 pilots, we assume that this rest room was located near the station buildings on the north-western edge of the Munich-Riem airfield. JV 44's Me 262 fighters were stationed on the western edge of the square, next to the high brick wall that demarcated the north-western part of the square. It is believed that the Parrot squadron parked their Doras just south of the Me 262 near the western launch platform. A typical mission might have gone something like this: If the regional air defense offices or JV 44's own radar unit in Feldkirchen determined that Allied bomber forces had penetrated the intercept area, information about course, altitude, speed and the like was sent immediately by telex or telephone to the field command post of the JV44 and from there to the pilots waiting in their rest rooms. As soon as continuous surveillance determined that the bombers could be intercepted, the JV44 commander set a launch time, which was immediately reported to the Me 262 pilots, the Papagei squadron, and the anti-aircraft batteries surrounding the airfield. If necessary, the Doras would then take off no later than five minutes before the Me 262s in order to have enough head start to intercept marauding Allied fighters that appeared over the airfield before the bomber forces arrived could also. For the Me 262 pilots, the take-off of the Doras was usually the sign that things were about to start. When the Dora pilots confirmed that the coast was clear, the fighters took off as quickly as possible. After the fighters took off, the Doras returned to their staging area to await the return of the Me 262. This tactic was probably retained when JV 44 moved to Salzburg-Maxglan. However, it is also possible that no more missions were flown from there. Because of the air superiority of the Allies, the Parrot Squadron was brought into being.It is believed that the Parrot Squadron began operations with the Dora on April 19, 1945. Steinhoff, in his book The Last Chance (1977, p. 153), recalls comments made by Colonel Lützow on the morning of April 18 (the day Steinhoff had his near-fatal crash) when he stated that Lt. Sachsenberg would fly airspace cover for the Me 262 the following day. Capt. Klaus Faber, one of the squadron's other pilots, also remembers that he didn't arrive at JV 44 until the middle of the month at the earliest. Before that he had been with Staff/JG 6 in Upper Silesia under Maj.Gerhard Barkhorn, and had only received orders at the beginning of April to report to Gen.Lt. Galland to report in Munich-Riem. He then flew to Pilsen, where he handed in his Bf 109 G and continued on his way to Regensburg. There he took over the FW 190 D-9 (Red 13) and finally flew it to Munich-Riem. Virtually nothing is known about the history of the Parrot Squadron, which is not surprising given its very limited role and the briefness of its deployment. Both Capt. Faber and Obit. Stigler explained that they can only remember a few missions of the squadron during their stay of less than two weeks in Munich-Riem. There are neither memories nor records of dogfights with Allied fighters and therefore no kills either. The last confirmed Me 262 action (and victorious air combat) of the JV 44 is dated April 28 (Smith & Creek, 1982, Foreman & Harvey, 1990). Already around the 29.130. On April 1, the unit was forced to flee from Munich-Riem to Salzburg-Maxglan and Innsbruck. Two Doras of the Parrot Squadron who were not ready to fly had to be left behind, the 'Red 1' and the 'Red 4'. The remaining three Doras (Red 13 and Red 8(?) and the unknown machine) were relocated to Amring, a few kilometers west of Salzburg-Maxglans, where the majority of the Me 262 was also stationed. It could be that one or two sorties of the Me 262 were flown from there, but there is no confirmation of this. Mfg Magnus
You had my attention at "blow jobs"
What is the American Plane? Looks kinda like a P51.
I'm not sure. Has a V12. But the scoop is different!
Thanks!!!!😉
1:22 jesus christ that 262 just disintegrated
Did not expect little bells and you here???
nice
You ok Dave??
In bird hunting, this is called "ground swatting", very disreputable.
Yes, yes, I know this isn't bird hunting! Still....
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ok seriously. Do you really think that's how it happened? The Allied fighter pilots only had to wait at the airfield until the Me 262 pilots had to take off or land. And then just shoot them down like it's being played here...?
The parrot squadron 'Protectors of JV 44' is just a small example of what the story actually looked like. And by the way, the losses of Me 262s shot down during landing or takeoff were very low! As was the total Me 262 losses during their brief service in the small groups of German Me 262 Fighter Squadrons at the end of the war. The Me 262, also called 'Schwalbe' or 'Sturmvogel', was a feared opponent. The reason for this was, in addition to their remarkable speed, their heavy armament. Equipped with four MK 108 'Kurzgerät' machine cannons, which were housed two on top of each other in the slender bow of the Me 262, it had extremely effective armament for air combat. These very compact 3 cm caliber cannons were specially developed by the Rheinmetall weapons company for combating bombers. The 'short device' fired 660 3cm grenades per minute and was adjusted to the relatively short firing distance of 450 m due to the low muzzle velocity. A direct hit with a missile from the MK 108 tore an approximately 1.75 square meter hole in the skin of an aircraft. One hit should bring down an enemy fighter, three hits a bomber. In addition to this heavy armament, from March 1945 the fighters were each equipped with 12 R4/M rockets with 5 kg warheads under the wings. The 9th squadron of JG 7 flew the first live action with this new weapon on March 18, 1945. She fired twelve missile salvos into the bomber formations, with eight kills reported. The Revi 16B relfex sight served as the aiming device for both weapons. A FuG 16 ZY type VHF transceiver was installed for radio communications. Combined with the same system and switchable with the 'ZF-FT' switch was a target flight receiver ZVG-16 with a fixed loop antenna installed perpendicular to the direction of flight. The FuG 25 automatic recognition device was used to orient the ground control centers. The JG 7, which was set up on November 19, 1944, was the largest and, with around 200 confirmed kills, the most successful Me 262 unit in the Luftwaffe. And anyone who doesn't believe this can read about it at Luftarchiev.de.
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Awesome!! We have from 1C Company the early access of Battle of Bodenplatte! I really loved this video because of the mentioned release.
:saï monsenge
I felt so dirty doing this. I have soiled my honor for the benefit of this video. I hope it was worth it!
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Can you link the mission files in the description?
Added links to the description.
thx very much
WTF, exactly how it was done historically. They had very short flight endurance; and with an entire lifetime for the engines (not rebuild life) of less than 10 hours the Me262 was not going to win any war by itself.
Absolutely Insane!!! Great job as always Fishyyy. Motor Brennt!!
Thanks for the videos man!
That was a great video fishyy, i m re installing il2 1946 to fly with friend :)
Love the Tempest...Cannons and rickets...What more could you need. Oh...Bazooka tubes.
2:24 gave me heart attack.
I love these Runway strafing videos
Love the joint effort from the allies haha.
Little unrealistic that 262's are just parked out in the open waiting to be taken out.
P E A R L H A R B O R S T Y L E
That Mustang attacking the Me-262 on the ground is reminiscent of Chuck Yeager knocking one down like that.
The first time I saw a jet...
it shot me down because I suck at that game
Most were knock out like that, either on the ground or landing.
Appreciate the clarification mate
Seriously guys, this was unfair. It was fun to watch thou 🤣
Mustangs are great against the 262 as long as they are taking off or landing and unseason polits
Hawker Tempest in this case
Don't worry about getting on the runway just scramble and take off to join the fur ball
I live near Deutsches Museum/Munich were lots of those great planes are shown!!
357th FG Mustang pilots were the top of the cream of the crop for USAAF.
If you haven't seen this, then check out the documentary -"The Legend of Y-29" 366th & 352nd fighter group, and the dogfight they had with the Luftwaffe during Operation Bodenplatte on New Years Day 1945 near Asch Belgium. Cheers.
@@arkansaswookie Will do!
@@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu It's pretty long, but well worth it in my opinion, especially the interviews with some of the pilots that were there on that morning. The famed Blue Nosed Bastards. Cheers Minong and here's to the Mustang pilots. My uncle Max was all of 19 when he started flying missions from England, and later France and Belgium in his P-38 Lightning in 1944. Another relative was a 21 year old B-17 pilot.
its a Hawker Tempest
That Canadian pilot had guts!
I would love to see stukas versus a fleet of cargo ships. is that too much to ask?
Not at all. It's actually pretty easy to do and a good idea, thanks. I sank a carrier before, but no merchants yet.
Fishyyy do it in great battles!
*Do it with Ju 88 too if it's not Hard XD*
3.7cm armed.
Good idear. Same as the fight of the Luftwaffe against the british fleet near crete in 1941. The british lost 3 heavy cruicers and 6 destroyer.! By stukas, ME 109 and Ju 88. (Most by stukas).
Fishy are ya going to do this in Il2:BoBP? Actually I just realised I haven't seen you play the new IL2, any interest?
Fantasy.
Sadly not.. this is unfortunately quite accurate. Many 262's where lost during landing and take off.
2:39 that was awesome
It happened only when taking. Off or landing or with unskilled poilt a jet usually would be the victor
10:00 I was waiting for Simpsons logo to pop up
More jets.
Damn this was great to watch though.
262 video is in the making! :D
12:57; Whoa! That P51 pilot almost got killed!😰
I have to re-install this game!!!
Those Me-262s sound so much like Y-wings from Star Wars.
Other way around
unreal video
Are those ME-262s made out of papier-mâché?
I would like to fly this simulation, I have IL2 2.04 on my old(ish) PC, and I am sure that he processing speed and graphics card would be woefully inadequate.
6:06, No way! I didn't know the Canadian Air Force have Typhoon aircrafts too!?😃
No Typhoon but Tempest (Bigger tail and more powerful Napier Sabre engine)
Very good flack destroyer
What do you call allied fighters straffing Me 262s on the ground?
Play time.
At least on the ground the pilot would most likely survive, unlike the unlucky ones caught by the Tempest or Spitfire. RAF pilots did not think he Me 262 was much of a threat and not a single Tempest or Spitfire was ever shot down by an Me 262, quite a number of Me 262's were shot down by both.
Kraut killers?
Indeed the 262 was no threat for fighters bcs. once airborne they ignored fighters. Their job was to down bombers.
@@mideuropean
The first Me 262 shot down in combat was a Luftwaffe pilot who thought he could take on a Spitfire, Me 262's were also sent after unarmed photo reconnaissance Spitfires because Germany had nothing else that could catch them, the me 262 could catch up but the Spitfire could turn and climb away leaving the Me 262 powerless to do much about it.
@76 Jumbo
When no shots were fired and the Me 262 pilot crashed into the ground, so not shot down and not what I would call combat.
Good stuff.
This is awesome
Need some red-bottomed Dora "angels"
Game looks good with bat and or cup
Figured there would be some combat with the me262's ... All i see are the me's making a couple turns and exposing their tails, or turning tail and trying to land ... Nice strafing i guess, however maybe a little too eager to impress as maneuvers ended a little too close at times to target and barely enough time to aim before over shooting - good video all in all
I deliberately had 5% fuel and no ammo, so I had to land in the 262 ASAP. Catching them with their pants down is the point. If you want real 262 air combat against fighters, I did a video on that, too.
The best simulator :D
Corresponds to the description of the RAF pilot, Pierre Clostermann! Tempests did not engage in the battle but were waiting for the ME262 to land, lacking speed, fuel and ammunition. They were the only cases when RAF pilots had the ability to paint a cross on the fuselage!
Ridicolous
262s arent having much luck there
What artillery is defending?
What happens when the 262's get off the ground and are in the hands of skilled pilots? Look out piston pushers.
its called a miracle
Lol they were like all of the 262 pilots were lready aces
gagid a every pilot allowed to fly the 262 was owner of the knights cross, that means something
@@Sven1612 yup
I mean, like, in the game. lol
wow, its like running against someone with a BROKEN LEG ,you clowns !!!!
Can make up anything with CGI.
2:20 When you think everything is safe and then get shot and black out
P_47 Kamikaze? C00L ! XD
I jumped at 2:26
fukin same
How is he that accurate???
god bless germ-oh wait that was usa oplanes
Best ILL 2 game?
anyone know why the Me 262 was not further developed after the war ceased ?? on paper it seemed superior to the Meteor and Airacomet
Michael Naisbitt I believe that captured sircraft were carefully evaluated by the Allies
1:24 bullet hits fuselage : Me-262 explodes
That was a fuel tank.
The allied pilots that saw the me-262 wizz by musta shit a brick!
only by vulching no chances if the 262 build momentum.
262 and zekes didn't won the war 🙄
Is this Sas Modact playable online? And what about the other mods?
Kelvin Dickson Yes if the server allows them, almost all servers in fact require mods (ModAct or CUP are the 2 common ones)
signs aah ok thanks.
I said CUP but I meant HSFX lol. Either way download ModAct for online, like 75% of servers use it, the rest use HSFX
signs cool, I'm done downloading Modact, will install it later, thanks.
3:09 that happens to be a American P-51.
5:16 American P-47.
Haf,dien,bjen
Me 262 pilot is in a panick! Their best chances of survival are too hit the afterburners and GTFO!
Afterburner machine broke
Umm... Me-262s didn't have afterburners.
It was a joke
It's hard to tell in text. Those 262s sure burned well, though. :)
@@svenofthejungle the C variants had a rocket engine placed on top of both engines, which can be considered a afterburner... for a short period of time though.
My uncle, Huie Lamb, shot down an ME-262 and an Arado AR 234! Here the details: airportjournals.com/fighting-the-jet-menace/
Damn, those machine guns are devastating!
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Tempest is the best british fighter so is the spitfire both sturdy aircraft
Hurricane was more robust than the spitfire,and could both outurn and take more punishment than the spitfire.
@@kevinthomas2662 The Hurricane didn't quite out turn the Spitfire, and it was nowhere near as fast, how you're right about it being tough. Ply wood is good for letting bullets fly through it.
@@interestingrailwaysuk5703 Your wrong mate,the Hurricane could outurn both the spit and 109,read up on it mate
@@kevinthomas2662 Wow, surprising that.
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each combat aircraft even a F-35 or MiG 29 is a helpless lame duck on the ground or during landing and take-off.
The Me 262 was also helpless when it met RAF fighters not sat on the ground or taking off or landing.
@@barrierodliffe4155 why shoud ROCKY fight GLORIA STUART? its just not worth the time, considering the other important tasks that had to be done at that time
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Important tasks like? Trying to catch unarmed photo reconnaissance aircraft, like the Mosquito and Spitfire or maybe like bombing troops, the Me 262 did both and in the process it sometimes met an RAF Spitfire or Tempest and did not do so well.
I do not know who Rocky or Gloria Stuart are, maybe the nicknames of USAAF pilots.
R u using mods?
damn did that af have any air defense at all lmao
Well, assuming this isn't hyperbole, did you even watch the video? lulz
Yeah, at a glance it may look like it was useless, but it really didn't make it as easy as it seems. I believe it was veteran-skilled, and it did shoot me (and the AI planes) down a couple of times, but those bits apparently didn't make it into the video (my engine died shortly after 9:53). But there is plenty of evidence of damage caused by AA in the video, visual as well as audio. Heck, the reason why I crashed into his jet at the end was because the AA took out my controls! haha
I did feel quite lucky at times, though. It normally gives me more trouble than that. It could be that their veteran-skill accuracy played against them; I find veteran and ace AA to be more predictable, and has a tendency to miss planes that aren't flying in a straight line. Rookies would instead saturate the sky more heavily with their crappy aiming, increasing their chances of hitting something over time and invalidating evasive maneuvers.
Maybe Fishyyy should use soviet flak next time. USSR 25mm and 37mm is super deadly in this game, regardless of AI skill level (in my experience). ^^
Where did you find that canadian tempest skin?
Personal skin I have created myself, using one of Jesters-Ink's excellent templates.
LOL!! Epic ending! : p
The flak took out my controls at the worst (or best) possible time. >
Ah! I thought you just wanted to end the video in a blaze of glory. BANZAI!!!
Only my rudder was still functional! Though, I did fully deflect it to the right; if this crash was going to happen, then I might as well commit fully to it. hahaha
Do people still play online?
Some of the Me 262 were shoot by and after landing. So Walter Nowottny, after Shooting one US bomber and one fighter. The allied fighters await him near the airfield.
The ME262 won very few dogfights. The plane had poor maneuverability and couldn't engage fighters unless they could catch them unaware. Both ME262 pilots and Allied fighter pilots have written that in a dogfight, it was difficult for either to shoot the other down. If the Jets tried to turn fight, they lose. If the Jets make straight passes, the fighters can maneuver out of the way but can't catch up and shoot them down.
You are right in few Points. But . If the ME 262 pilot use the faster Speed he was able to shoot every allied fighter. (The "Mosquito" was a Problem) It was a question of the battle Position at the beginning of the assault. And the Germans at this time had lost most of theyr expirient fighter pilots. The best Me 262 pilots were shoot by landing. Thats why they use the Autobahn for starts and landing later.
@@wolfmuller6737 In practice they didn't. Its important to understand that the Germans stopped validating kill claims in February 1945, and none of the ledgers of pilot claims after January 1945 exist. While there are tales in books of ME262 pilots shooting down Allied fighters, there is little actual evidence of such in surviving German records. In comparison, the USAAF wrote reports on every plane they lost, including getting eyewitness accounts (where possible) for why these planes were lost. I've read hundreds of them myself, and there are very few American fighter planes whose loss can be attributed to ME262s. The claims in books are upwards of 10 times higher then what they could possibly have done by my own reckoning. Based on the testimony of both Allied and German pilots about the difficulty of engaging each other, and the extremely few cases of American fighters lost to ME262s, it would appear in practice the ME262 was very bad at engaging Allied fighters.
In march 18th. 1944 3/JG 7 send up 37 ME 262 to engage a force of 1.221! us Bombers and 632! escord fighters. Same to fight with a pistol against artillery. After the end 12 Bombers and one fighter were knocked out by the loss of 4 Me 262. Two lost by allied fighters, two by Maschine gun firer of the Bombers. The main target for the Germans were the Bombers. Collin I dont know were your s.c. Facts are from. Fact is: Nearly one thousend ME 262 were produced. Only around 200 - 250 ever made it to frontline squadrons, due to shortages in fuel, pilots and parts. So you have the answer about the number of kills. And severall were used as Bombers. For you: The Me 262 made the first flight in june 1942! Airfield Leipheim, near ulm. If Hitler, Göring were no Military amateurs, WK 2 would had take another end. You know the number of allied fighters in 1944/1945? One Me262 against pulks of allied fighters, no Chance. You wrote "tales"? What books are you reading? One case is very clear. The Germans were in case of Jet fighters fare ahead of the allies /Amerikans ! If they were able to Keep 1.000- 2000 in Service/assault at the same time, the allied bomber-/fighter com. were knocked out after a few weeks.. Everybody with Military education knows that. The Germans also had another top fighter in Service. The Focke Wulf 190. The allied pilots call them "butcher Byrd". This fighter was in the same class, like the US Mustang or Spitfire. To less fighters, pilots, fuel, to many enemy fighters/Bombers, this was the main Problem of the Luftwaffe since 1943.. Not the Performance of allied pilots.p.s. the reason for the low number dogfights between us fighters against Me262. 1. The main target were the Bombers. 2. The Germans didnd search dogfights, becourse every flying fighter was needed against the Bombers. 3. They cant produce like in peace time, as the allied do.
@@wolfmuller6737 For starters, the German Jet claims in 1945 are unreliable. Two Problems:
1) The ledgers for German air kill claims do not exist past January 1945. The original ledgers are gone, but someone in January 1945 made microfilm copies which exist today and are available to historians. But it only goes up to January 1945, nothing past that point exists anymore. We do not know what the German Jet pilots were actually claiming in these fights, those documents have been lost to history.
2)The Germans stopped verifying kill claims after mid February 1945, so no claims made past that point were ever verified by the strick system put in place by RLM. The vast majority of claims by German Jet pilots were made in March and April 1945, so they did not go through even the Germans own verification system. They are extremely unreliable.
All the German claims we have in books is stuff pieced together by Historians from surviving squadron documents and interviewing the veterans 30-40 years after the war. But memory is flawed, and trying to remember stuff 30-40 years after the fact is a flawed strategy at best.
We do have contemporary US loss records, and the Missing Air Crew Reports for individual aircraft. They heavily contradict the German accounts of these raids. In regards to March 18th, I have quite literally copies of the loss reports for every plane that day. The ME262s shot down, at best, 6 aircraft that day, maybe as low as four. The US did lose 12 aircraft, but most were due to Flak, which remained the biggest killer of US aircraft in 1945.
Having gone through the records for March and April/May 1945, my own take is German claims on bombers are between 2-3x greater then actual, and on fighters it is from 10x to 20x greater then actual losses. JG7, by my own count, managed around a 1.5:1 exchange ratio, but it could be less than a 1:1 depending on their April losses. JV44 did marginally better in practice, but only actually downed between 9-11 aircraft (almost all B26s), which is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The ME262 did not shoot down anywhere near the numbers of aircraft it is claimed, the US loss records do not back it up, and there is little contemporary German documentation to even support the German claims, it was almost all lost as Germany fell apart in the last weeks of WWII.
2.23 nice
no wonder the germans could put so few schwalbes in the air........
AMBUSH KILLERS,A SAD WAY TO GET THE 262
Fair fights are for suckers.
Hey it's what they had to do back in '44!
Is this a MOD?
How come the 262's are a;ways taking off or landing but the ones flying are going slow and never fighting back? Looks likE a pre planned duck shoot.
No shit, sherlock.
or noob players