I liked the Gemini fake out. Well done. That said, I think it would be extremely funny (albeit very unlikely) for Cedar Point to do their first hybrid to hybrid redo by changing it from an Arrow wood/steel hybrid into an Ibox coaster with a more extreme layout. Don't get me wrong. It would be a weird move and the park has much more important things it could do. But it would be hilarious.
I think S&S has more of an incentive to fix Steel Curtain than Kennywood does to tear it down. Also, why is Maxx Force, created in the same year, and operating with a LAUNCH, have way more uptime than Steel Curtain? Obviously S&S know how to make reliable coasters. The discrepancy doesn't make sense and leads me to believe that Steel Curtain will get fixed.
I agree, I see them spending some time and money to improve its reliability. They are still working out it’s quirks and issues. I’m faithful that Kennywood will eventually find a way to keep it running more consistently.
Maxx Force did have a lot of downtime issues in its first year but the park figured out what the issue was (in two-train operation the train entering the brake run would come in so fast that a large amount of friction heat would build up on the brake fins, and when it inevitably stacked due to the short cycle time the heat from the fins would literally cause the drive tires to melt resulting in a ride fault). Maxx Force only runs one train now and this has actually boosted capacity.
Or have another coaster manufacturer come in and remove the inversions on Steel Curtain and replace it with airtime hills and a new name, Curtain’s Revenge.
I’m gona unfortunately disagree with eagle becoming a hybrid it’s one of the last wooden giants of the u.s and I think it would benefit more getting a re-furb from GCI Or Gravity Group
I bet most think it should get a refurb, but that doesn’t mean six flags is gonna do that. They might see more benefits of turning it into a hybrid over a refurbishment
American Eagle may not be able to be removed due to the freeway, so when it needs to close, if they can't RMC it, it will be a lawn ornament for eternity after closure.
Dont worry about flashback being removed; Canada’s Wonderland’s BAT is identical to flashback. Just take a trip there! Although it can take a little bit to get to Wonderland, it’s HIGHLY recommended.
@@TP_Recommendations (LONG COMMENT) Me and my family go once every year. I basically have half the park memorized. if i SOMEHOW manage to run into you, I could show you around! Bat is a big red ride, like a blood colour. If you see VORTEX, go around to the left, there you should see a more kiddie ride, little carts that go up and down and it swings you around in a circle, (I forget the name, my bad) but it looks like a weird little scrambler. there should be a path to the left of that, and if you follow that, it should lead you to bat. I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to re check. The ride should be big enough to be seen beforehand though. SIDE NOTE! - Canada's wonderland has multiple entrances. One leads to the "scrambler" ride I mentioned, around the entrance, This entrance should have the Canada Flag in small little flowers. if you see those flowers, you're at the right entrance. take the RIGHT path and turn right, then take a left. There, you should see the ride. If you see BEHEMOTH, a Big, Yellow, CAMEL BACK ride, You're at the LEVIATHAN entrance, which is a big, blue roller coaster. Apparently, scariest one in the park, but whatever you do, GO. ON. IT. FIRST. Even the employees there will hype you up saying : "once you finish this, you can do ANY ride." and more. They truly are the sweetest people. If you do go on leviathan, however, Just a few tips. 1 - the drop isnt your casual drop. It takes around 4-5 seconds, making you get butterflies halfway down. Just be prepared. 2 - Leviathan's top speed is 136 MPH. This is over 200 Kmh. Be prepared for your face to get SMUSHED. 3 - The ride is VERY tall. If you have a fear of heights, do not go on it. 4 - KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN. Closing your eyeswill make it more difficult and probably more scarier. there are no loops or anything, but there are a few twists and turns, so I got advice to keep your eyes open. 5 - If you're nervous, keep your mouth closed. you don't want to throw up on the ride. However, You can let out a few screams. Leviathan is located in the SCREAM ZONE of the park. Just.. don't break people's eardrums. Even though the employees say "you can conquer any ride after this!" YOU PROBABLY CAN'T HANDLE YUKON STRIKER. SO PLEASE DONT GO ON IT IF LEVIATHAN SCARED YOU. (Yukon striker is the longest in the park. It is the big orange one that has a 90 degree drop, hangs you off the edge so you're LOOKING at what's coming, then drops you with NO reminder, and makes you feel like you're cupping inside a bit, then youre sent into a loop. It is pretty satisfying to watch from the ground though.) However, it is a very cool park, With (PROBABLY) 100+ sensations for all ages. and as i've said, you have kind and supporting workers there too. they may laugh if you scream too much though. Canada's wonderland is in Vaughan, Ontario, Canada. Enjoy your trip! (If you go)
I was just chatting with Coasternaut from the UK about Xcelerator being converted to an LSM launch only a couple days ago. We can both see it happening in the future unless there is some big innovation in the hydraulic systems to make them more reliable, which is unlikely. The LSM technology is certainly there to make it happen and I agree that it's too much destruction needed to try to give it the Top Thrill treatment. Supreme Scream is an obstacle as are the railroad and stagecoach paths/tracks. Knott's is a bit unpredictable right now. They have some big projects sitting around unfinished (Montezooma and Timberline Twister removal). As to Ninja here at Magic Mountain, that's a big dice roll, but I'm thinking it'll stay for a while. They just spent a fair amount of time and money doing some refurbishing and it's a good, more family style coaster which balances out the bigger thrill machines.
American Eagle has more of a vibe to get like a refurb from GCI or Gravity Group because of its status, and the fact SFGAm already has an RMC in their park
Sorry, Brandon, I usually agree with you. But you're way off on Steel Curtain. When a park refuses to keep certain parts on the shelf or follow a manufacturer's recommends because they're trying to cut costs, who's to blame?
Kennywood will modify the Steel Curtain before removing it. It's way too popular and not to mention a prototype ride. Think of it like Lightning Rod at Dollywood but open more often. Dollywood is doing what ever they can to prolong that rides life and Kennywood more then likely will do the same. Remember what they did with Phantoms Revenge
@@TP_Recommendationscurrently? The issue is structural. I'd also imagine that the incredibly steep lift hill is presenting wear issues that were not anticipated. I've also noted that the 19 car has an odd vibration. Though, to be fair, I've only had a chance to ride this coaster twice during the last day of its opening season in 2019. It was closed until around 4pm, so the issue may have been it running cold. I came back around 9pm to ride it again, and the 39 car felt as if it were running much smoother and faster. In both cases, it's rather odd that a coaster with such a steep drop feels so forceless. It almost feels as if the cars are holding it back. On the other hand, when you have Phantom's Revenge giving you that running start into the hill that goes down the ravine, I may just be spoiled from the intensity of that particular ride. KW is my home park, so I'm hoping that they get SC's issues ironed out.
It's like trying to Frankenstein a bleeding patient without anesthesia. All the while it continues to scream "someone put me out of my misery I am in humongous pain!!!!" Plus money don't grow on trees, at least not in this day and age.
It would be a shame to see Steel Curtain go so soon. It certainly looks unique and quirky. I don't know why it can't be operated consistently, because overall it is a standard rollercoaster without launches and with a lift hill. I have not been on it but it looks fun.
Kennywood cannot afford to close Steel Curtain, my idea is they’ll probably spend a bit of money to work out the kinks to get it working reliably. S&S considers this to be one of their prized coasters, so I can’t see them shutting this down anytime soon.
FYI - the new GM for Six Flags St. Louis confirmed at their Dare Devil Daze event that they have zero plans to ever RMC Boss, and that they do plan to give it a big refurb (while keeping it wooden) soon.
I think Kingda Ka, as well as Xcellerator, are on their last legs. Both Knotts and SFGA are watching the Top Thrill 2 situation and if Zamperla pulls it off they may consider it. If they don't, I'd hope that the Gerstlauer does the launches. They have proven that they can launch faster than hydraulics, and if this change happens, only better things can come of this.
Yeah I really wish Gerstlauer was doing top thrill’s launches. Top Thrill’s launches have to at least be better than maverick’s launch to differentiate them.
I wish CP would grow up,let their ego go and let the past be the past. The RMC T-Rex or a single rail coaster where corkscrew currently is would be phenomenal
Dahlonega Mine Train from SFOG may get removed by 2030. If they wanted to remove it, they should pay a tribute to the coaster since it was a park original ride. By saving a few tracks and train is probably a good way to memorialize it after removing the entire ride.
I agree. The ride just isn’t popular anymore. It’s a nice chunk of land too. Note I have no reasons for this but I’m just speculating. If Six Flags ends up liking Skyline, they may start to replace or convert mine trains into the Trailrunner model. I’m not sure about it at SFOG since we will be getting the single rail kiddy coaster dueling thingy so probably not but it’s a solid idea. The Trailrunner looks like their best model to date
@@huntzzio If SF falls in love of Skyline’s models. A Trailrunner model along with the P’Sghetti Bowl at SFOG would be amazing. Only thing is that many fans and enthusiasts would want the park to add an RMC Raptor since they can totally benefit having one and is very cheap if SF wanted to purchase one .
I'm not 100% guaranteeing it, but there's a very good chance that the Demon at Six flags Great America might get removed by 2030. The ride has been closed since late June of this year and has been just standing but not operating, there has been no announcement from the park about why the ride is closed.
I just don’t see ninja at sfmm getting removed anytime soon. It’s a stepping stone coaster for kids and new coaster riders. It’s also still decently popular and not all that rough
I do think unfortunately Xcelerator may get removed here soon as they just replaced a part after over a year down and now it broke again during testing. So i wonder if they will get it back up soon or it will be down another year or more like it has been. I wonder what knotts will do. I also wonder if montezooma's will ever come back or if its just done as the project is now stalled.
Generally agree with this list, but I think Six Flags is mostly done with hybrid conversions. If they decide to overhaul Boss, they'll bring in Gravity Group to reprofile it with precut track and an inversion or two. Basically a glorified Hades 360 conversion. If they wanted to RMC American Eagle, they'd have done it already. Great America got a new coaster every 2 years in the last decade - American Eagle's out-and-back layout was never worth the RMC treatment.
Eagle ain't getting converted, this is from someone who used to work at the park. The issue with the coaster stems from the helix not being structurally sound enough to run two trains (the whole thing is basically built on top of a marsh which hasn't been good for the foundation), and nothing RMC or GCI can do can fix that. The park is planning to keep alternating which side is open on a year basis until the ride is clearly too old to keep going. Additionally, I think this is more common knowledge but RMC Eagle almost happened in 2014 but the park shot it down because they didn't like the price tag, so Goliath was built instead.
They could bypass the helix with an element like a dive loop. Just sayin'. I'm not rooting for RMC Eagle as I really liked it when I rode it (grant it that was in 2016, maybe it's gotten a lot rougher since). There are ways around that though.
I've heard from SF employees that American Eagle has significant restrictions due to road ROW proximity and passing over a road with supports right next to the pavement. It presently has a grandfather status that prevents anything more than minor maintenance. Any improvements will be a significant challenge. Perhaps a steel structure can solve the road ROW proximity issue. That being said, I would LOVE to see an RMC version that replaces the giant 540 degree helix with an overbanked track. One of my fondest memories of American Eagle was riding the Blue Train backwards in row 1. As usual, the Blue Train beat the Red Train to the helix, but during those 540 degrees we got to look every rider in the face as the Red Train passed us on the shorter inside track.
Corkscrew s likely staying until some eventual structural issue that is costly forces CP to remove it. It has nothing to with firsts or records. Vortex got taken from KI, b/c of a structural issue on an old, low popularity coaster, that wasn't worth it to fix. The reason that CP will likely keep corkscrew is that its location is not really conducive to add another coaster to replace it. It's a long thin plot that goes over a midway. The coasters that fit the plot are not things CP would really buy.
Okay but imagine an RMC raptor replacing corkscrew. It would be interesting to see a raptor corkscrew over the path like corkscrew does to pay a little homage to it
Kennywood is not taking Steel Curtain out after supposedly spending 20M, if they paid that much, that was silly. Nonetheless after spending big. they are going to do everything to keep it and will try to iron out the issues.
Kennywood is my home park and I was more than thrilled when they announced it… All the downtime and issues they’ve had with fixing it, They should’ve just spent extra money on a B&M invert. I really thought that was gonna be what was going to go over the lake. Oh well.
I genuinely, whole heartedly believe EVERYTHING on Cedar Point's Arrow Alley is safe, except the Mine Ride. Corkscrew, Gemini, and Magnum aren't going anywhere.
Carrowinds would certainly fit several new rides in that area. I’d say a new water ride, an RMC revamped Hurler, and a B&M dive coaster in the course of at least five years.
ahh yes, nothing like Invertigo in North America, totally, it's not like there's a Vekoma inverted boomerang with basically the same layout, only difference being that it's vertical towers in Idaho, nope, not at all
STEAMIN DEMON at Six Flags Great Escape. And I’m going to say in the next 5 years. I think Six Flags may replace this coaster for the parks 75th anniversary. Great Escape is still teasing improvements for next years 70th anniversary. I think in this time span Great Escape might get some love from Six Flags.
i think six flags Great America should have removed Demon a long time ago and i would be sad to see changes to American Eagle.i was young when they built that coaster and now im old and its still there
As someone from Pittsburgh I don’t want this video to be right however I would love to see what kennywood does with the space(please bring the log flume back kennywood)
I don’t think they will, it’s only closed this year because of staffing. Plus they did tons of updates to it the past few years with new theming and effects.
Don’t remove Demon. It’s one of the parks OG coasters and it’s not that hard to maintain like some of the larger Arrow Coasters that lasted not as long. It might be rough, but I think it’s aged like fine wine and it has a decent fan base. The Demon at CGA though I think is the one that might happen though. Let the Demon get to 50 or more to keep Arrow’s legacy alive. Plus S&S still has leftover spare parts. Tell the team at Great America this is not a good idea. Look what happened when they tried removing Whizzer…
@@tigerrocks503chase8 ok, the reason demon closed this year is because “the ceo ordered it to close temporarily” and I heard from maintenance team members that demon is an electrical nightmare and is hard to maintain because of how old it it’s it’s hard to get parts for it. And selim doesn’t care about how original it is, sfgam needs a new coaster and they don’t have much empty room.
love this list! I agree with everything you said in this video. I think Six Flags America will slowly get a ton of new investment until it eventually becomes one of the upper tier parks in the chain.
I disagree with you on America. I’m hoping to go next week since I’ll be in the area for a run, but when I was there last year around this time it was very clear there was an operations/staffing issue. Until that is resolved I wouldn’t invest much else in the park without removing a current attraction because they just can’t staff what they currently have.
Added weight to Kings Island. Congo Falls is next to Invertigo. Its crowded on hot days but seems like its down more and more each year. If congo falls and Invertigo are gone, that whole area opens up.
Been my dream for a while they'll take those out and put a cool coaster there by the gate. Seems an obvious choice, but there are easier places to build than removing something else yet.
I’ve thought about them taking those out and having a wing coaster go over the gate like Cedar point, but that would be repetitive and they won’t do that. But a front gate coaster would be great! It would give them an excuse to rehab that awful entrance.
If they took out that live theater stage area past congo falls along with invertigo and congo falls that would open up a giant area where they could build any kind of coaster they wanted that would be highly visible from the parking lot like intimidator at Carowinds.
@@collegeluvr CF has seemed to love the dive coaster, and I could see them putting one right in that area and then re-theming Action Zone completely along with it. I don't live dive coasters, but it's a statement piece, especially right at the gate.
Brandon, I like where you're coming from with Xcelerator, but I think they'll go about it differently-they'll turn around the trains and put 2 launches in. They will have to reprofile the turns but after the second one it would be heading up the tower, and they might be able to fit in a spike that way; if not it would then shoot over and then coast to a stop on the current launch track. Just wanted to give my thoughts, and good video!
I disagree. I cant see them putting in a Spike for Xcelerator, rather I see them putting in a single powerful LSM launch, they’ll still have to extend the launch a bit, but I still think they can deliver quite a powerful launch with just LSMs
I am one of the few who’s actually enjoys nighthawk! (not vortex) I was there this summer and got in line for nighthawk three times… Two out of three of those times it broke down while we were in line. We were talking with the employees of the ride and they said everyone despises working the ride because it breaks down so often. I really am intrigued to see why Carowinds dumped so much money into the Coaster when it’s still, it’s nowhere near, reliable as it should be
Also crossing my fingers that Invertigo and any spares left over from Stinger can be relocated to Valleyfair! It could fit in well next to Wild Thing and the wave pool.
yeah pretty unfortunate that a regular chain lift coaster has so much downtime. I wonder if it has to do with sensor tech or braking systems cause it doesn't seem much more intense than your average multi looper
For my home park, Canada’s Wonderland, I am all supportive on Flight Deck and Time Warp getting the axe. The former is awful, and though I don’t think the latter is /too/ bad, those Paramount editions don’t need to be there. Maybe a new-generation Vekoma or a Zamperla Lightning Launch could go there. Or, Maybe the B&M Invert the park so rightfully deserves.
I agree that boss should be RMCed because it is such a low capacity, rough hell that the first half kind of sucks with its big helixs than the second half is a bit better. Six flags Saint Louis really needs a brand new coaster.
Kennywood is my home park. People would not believe how often that thing is closed. Its closed for the remainder of this season. To be honest, i dont want to see it go, cause i love the ride and it helps Kennywood's ride lineup. However, i just dont think its worth the trouble for them to keep it open. I agree that they'll remove that ride and hopefully open a new coaster in its place. I doubt itll be a good replacement for Steel Curtain though
The combined Flashback/Goliath plot at Six Flags New England would be *perfect* for one of those new Vekoma Super Boomerangs, like the one Six Flags is building at Great Adventure. It even has a nice story to go with it: the old Boomerangs give way to the new! It'd be the launch coaster New England needs as well. A while back, I proposed that a PowerSplash might go in there, but I agree with Airtime Thrills that that's unlikely. People have proposed all sorts of other things--a B&M mini-dive, an S&S air-launch coaster, a Gerstlauer Infinity, an RMC single rail--and all of those could happen, but the more I think about it, the more I think a Super Boomerang is the obvious choice, and one that Six Flags already has some history with.
Corkscrew should definitely be removed because I rode it once last year and it was horrible. The corkscrews caused my head to bang from side to side on the shoulder restraints. the other parts of it wasn’t all that exciting, it’s trains were pretty small in leg room and I have no idea why it is like that. They should definitely get rid of this ride and replace it with that rmc trex in the near future. I bet that would be much more fun than corkscrew. The they could take the corkscrews and place them right next to kiddy kingdom where that empty space is with all the trees
I think Six Flags Great Adventure will remove or redesign Green Lantern because I think everybody who rides this ride does not in someway get their head banged. People have complained about getting headaches or ears ringing after riding this ride. This ride is so bumpy and shaky that having something hurting after riding this ride is unavoidable. This ride has very low ridership because people know the roughness of the ride and people would make a B-Line for Superman instead I could see Green Lantern get the Mantis treatment which is now Rougarou at CP. Maybe Six Flags Great Adventure will at least give Green Lantern new track. I could also see them building a whole new Standup or Standup Twister coaster that goes over the parking lot for some part of the ride.
I don't see Steel Curtain going that quick. While other parks would get rid of it quickly... Kennywood has been particularly persistent when it comes to coasters with horrific reliability. Look at Steel Phantom, Sky Rocket, etc.
Steel Curtain really is a fantastic ride, such a shame it has constant issues. I’ve always wondered what those issues are, since it’s not a complicated ride and most S&S coasters are much more reliable (although not perfect). Only thing that I think would prevent them from removing it is due to the relationship with the Steelers and the licensing. Might not be an issue at all, but would be a bad look to tear down a new-ish coaster that celebrates the local team.
Some thoughts for the algorithm. I love the Boss layout and would like it to get retracked by the Gravity Group. RMC could make this a crazy ride, but this is a wooden coaster I want to stay wooden. I won't be too upset if RMC does get their hands on it though. As a hater of wild mouse coasters I would support the removal of Wild Mouse. The water park is in a bad location so it would be great if it was relocated if possible. That would really open up space. I would hate to see SFMM remove Ninja. It's a fun ride and a good stepping stone. Unless Ninja is replaced with another thrill coaster it wouldn't make sense to remove it since the park is has a lot of intense coasters. I don't get why the talk of RMC American Eagle still persists. If SFGAm wanted to go that route they would have instead of building Goliath. I know SFNE had Flashback and Goliath next to each other, but it's highly unlikely for SFGAm to have Goliath and RMC AE next to each othet. I really like HRRR and don't get the hate. I don't know anything about its reliability and its had little downtime every time I've been to USF. I hope HRRR is around longer, but if it goes soon then I hope the replacement is even better.
That’s the thing about American Eagle… I mean paint fading aside, that ride is large and gorgeous! The things anybody could do with that… I hope it stays because it could be turned into something epic.
Honestly I wish Vortex at Carowinds got removed sooner but I love night hawk but I know some people find it shaky or rough. But i have seen it with a longer line than Fury but if it does get removed, i would love to see what gets put in there, especially since it can react with the water! Keep up the amazing content!
I'm not. I've ridden both Patriot and Vortex and can tell you that I much prefer Vortex. Sure, neither ride was great, but while Vortex is an OK stand-up coaster (to some), Patriot is a BAD floorless coaster. It only really worked for Rougarou because Mantis was a better ride to begin with. I can't speak for Apocalypse, but I've heard nothing great. @@josiahthompson3092
I don't see CP removing Corkscrew soon. It's not that it's a good ride, but it never seems to be down. I also disagree with you that it takes up a lot of space. Seems like it has a small enough footprint, that they wouldn't gain much space for it. At this point, I wouldn't care if they remove it. I think they would be smarter to move Roogarou to a different park and put a new coaster there.
CP fanboy here… Lol… If they were to remove it, I really hope they keep the corkscrew portion over the midway for nostalgia. I know one of the other parks did it somewhere in Europe sorry I don’t know which one right now… But that is such an iconic look for that midway.
When I was at Knott's in late November 2019 4 years ago: hydraulic launches were still ubiquitous, not to mention I'd just come back from Blackpool, Alton Towers and Thorpe Park with Stealth; the fastest rate of acceleration on a hydraulic launch coaster, even if it had OTSRs instead of T bar restraints. On the other had: I like a long ride, which is why I'm looking forward to Top Thrill 2 (even though I don't even know if I can afford t visit Cedar Point next year for my 2nd visit there ever). Those are just my thoughts, thanks for posting!
Steel Curtain is a maintenance nightmare considering the logically impossible architecture it sustains. You kinda have to be a perfectionist on manufacturing and architecture because one wrong measurement spells disaster and potentially death. I would know. I watch Fascinating Horror.
Very interesting thought-provoking list. I am especially surprised about the idea of RailBlazer, but that makes sense. I do not think Wild Mouse will be removed because Hersheypark needs coasters for their large kid crowd. I also really really hope Steel Curtain stays, I haven’t ridden but hopefully I’ll be able to soon.
The American eagle definitely needs a update as soon as possible. When I went on it like 5 years ago it was bumpy of corse but now when I went on it this years it’s terrible. So bumpy lots of air and your head hurts bad after going on it. One of those rides you can only ride once now kinda deal. As well as the red line has been closed for quite awhile now.
As for Carowinds, they've received some of the largest coaster investments from Cedar Fair in the past decade. But I think they're going to take it slower in the 20s, especially if Copperhead Strike hasn't generated the ROI they expected. Assuming a Mack PowerSplash isn't happening, we might see a mid-sized Mack Water Coaster for 2025 on part of the Dinos Alive plot. This would fill an overdue family coaster niche, and within 3 years, I could see them replace Flying Cobras with a Zamperla Double Heart. They urgently need a coaster that's about 150 feet tall, and the Boomerang plot is perfect for it. I'm skeptical Hurler would be RMC'd before a ground-up woodie is built, though, and it seems likely the spares they received from Firehawk could keep Nighthawk operational through 2030. In an optimistic timeline, Carowinds might get a GCI in the front of the park around 2030. But if a B&M Dive is to replace Nighthawk and Vortex as anticipated, that'll probably come later.
honestly I feel like Carowinds would benefit more from a hyper ground up RMC rather than a redo of hurler. I also feel like they could get gravity group to make hurler a nice woodie like they did to grizzly at kings dominion
@@thefrenchcommander5770 Well, Carowinds desperately needs a coaster with a 150-160 ft lift hill. Their 3rd tallest coaster is the Boomerang from Geauga Lake. That needs to be remedied within the decade, and an RMC conversion of Hurler could definitely achieve that.
@@thefrenchcommander5770 That's not a bad thing, though. The southeast already has Lightning Rod, Twisted Timbers, and ArieForce One. If BGW is getting a variation of Zadra, a version of Wildcat's Revenge would work well at Carowinds
Flight Deck and Time Warp are awful but I'd bet on a Wilde Beast or Mindbuster removal or adjustment happening first. Wilde Beast has a huge footprint and it's basically invisible. I wouldn't be surprised if most people walking by even knew it was there. And both of them feel more like Getting Headbutted by Angry Goats Simulator than theme park rides. I'd burn them both if I could.
I can definitely see the Steel Curtain getting the axe. It’s frustrating as hell to see this lawn ornament just sitting there in the lagoon and where the log jammer used to be. Plus, Steel Phantom only lasted 9 years. Kennywood has to use their limited land wisely, so decisions like that aren’t uncommon.
I love Steel Curtain and it would be sad to see it go. I just don't understand what CP will do with Corkscrew's space. Its tiny, and relocating those offices is just more expensive work they don't want to do. I would rather see it get new trains along with the MA corkscrew and see CCMR bite the dust instead. Iron Boss makes me sick, please just no! Give it the Ghostrider treatment, I think Gravity Group would be most suited for the task. Six Flags St. Louis can spend the money for a ground up RMC without cannibalizing a good ride fallen into disrepair.
Steel Curtain is the one prediction I just can't get behind. Kennywood and S&S have more incentive to fix it than to remove it. Regarding Corkscrew, there's a lot of unused space around Power Tower, a lot of recently freed-up space where Matterhorn and Scrambler used to be, and Himalaya can be easily moved. The writing is on the wall for Corkscrew. CCMR fills a very important role as a beginner "big kid ride" for families due to its low height restriction and less intimidating appearance. It's definitely an important ride that the park wishes to keep. As much as I would also love LOVE to see Boss get a complete refurb instead of a reimagining, I think Arie Force at Fun Spot may have been the final nail in the coffin.
I can see Rail Blazer being removed also. That area could use a new coaster, but there is another area has had several coasters in there at CGA. I really think because their were other flat rides also in that area years ago, have had really bad luck with Vertigo etc.
La vibora at sfot needs to put out of its misery. Rode it in August. Only coaster I've ever ridden that legitimately injured me. I don't mind rough rides at all. There's a certain organic feel to many rougher rides. But my back hurt for 6 weeks after that ride. Been riding that ride for over 30 years. And that was officially my last one. Plz gimme an axis coaster in it's place that extends out into the picnic areas and takes.over the abandoned gas station in the parking lot! With all the love they have put into the Spain and mexico section, they need a crown jewel of a coaster to round out that area.
That's too bad about la vibora. I rode it in 06 and it was great, but that was 17 years ago. I rode the now closed bobsled at great escape in 2015 and it was really rough like how you describe la vibora. I last rode avalanche at Kings Dominion in 2018 and it was good, but I don't know how it's holding up 5 years later with the complete overhaul and change to reptilian.
The Mack bobsleds like Reptilian use a completely different track type that ages more gracefully and can operate in the rain. I think Reptilian still has quite a few years left. Sadly, the Intamins like Bobsleds and Vibora seem to be coming to the end of their serviceable life. @@TheBolligerMabillardLover
My removal predictions: Twister III: Storm Chaser at Elitch Gardens Diamondback at Frontier City Excalibur at Valleyfair Monstre at La Ronde All Wild Mice that only that one mouse operations at Cedar Fair parks
I can't speak for most of these rides, but I know Excalibur recently got a major update to its control systems. I'd count on it to stick around for a bit longer.
Honestly, as much as Kennywood LOVES Zamperla, I'm surprised that's not who built it! Every brand-new flat they've installed since Aero 360 has been a Zamperla. That said, Zamperla was not yet ready to build a 200' coaster in 2019.
One correction- Nighthawk is actually popular at Carowinds. It has the longest line in the park every day it is open. Now it isn't popular with you or myself, but the GP will ride so I think as long as they can keep it operating and don't have a bigger thing for that plot of land, it will be around. Way more popular than Vortex or Carolina Cyclone or Hurler. In terms of your selections, I agree with most of your selections. Boss and american Eagle are probably the two I'm on the other side about. I don't think Eagle gets RMCd with Goliath in the park. If they need the land for something else they will take it down but remember GAm is the park that saved Whizzer so those guest like their historic coasters. As far as Boss, I don't see them making the change to RMC it. I think they remove the boomerang or Ninja before the RMC Boss. As far as some of your takes, I think it is a real possibility a coaster like Steel Curtain could get removed over the next 6 years if things don't improve. I also tend to agree with you about XCelerator. These parks can't have one of their top attractions down for that long of a time. It will be disappointing to see RailBlazer go but they really should just give it to Michigan's Adventure.
Nighthawk and Batwing are the last ever roller coasters of their kind. If Nighthawk goes, Batwing will become and endling. There are only two operating Vekoma Flying Dutchmans ever created left in the entire world, and it would suck for this type of roller coaster to go extinct so soon. It's not about the enjoyment, but to preserve the tiniest piece of its remaining legacy for a few more years to come.
I really wish RMC Boss would happen in 2024 because I go that way quite a bit but probably won't after 2024 honestly I plan on settling down and getting married and having kids, in Michigan. CP and Michigan Adventure being my home parks per se even though they're not really close to home.
I liked the Gemini fake out. Well done.
That said, I think it would be extremely funny (albeit very unlikely) for Cedar Point to do their first hybrid to hybrid redo by changing it from an Arrow wood/steel hybrid into an Ibox coaster with a more extreme layout. Don't get me wrong. It would be a weird move and the park has much more important things it could do. But it would be hilarious.
Ha! Got ya! Lol love that idea!!
@@TP_RecommendationsThat Kingda Ka fakeout got me too, haha.
@@DJG094Same!
@@DJG094 My stomach dropped at the Kingda Ka fakeout.
I think S&S has more of an incentive to fix Steel Curtain than Kennywood does to tear it down. Also, why is Maxx Force, created in the same year, and operating with a LAUNCH, have way more uptime than Steel Curtain? Obviously S&S know how to make reliable coasters. The discrepancy doesn't make sense and leads me to believe that Steel Curtain will get fixed.
Maxc Force does have a lot of downtime. You just don't hear about it much because it's not a very popular coaster in the community.
I agree, I see them spending some time and money to improve its reliability. They are still working out it’s quirks and issues. I’m faithful that Kennywood will eventually find a way to keep it running more consistently.
Maxx Force did have a lot of downtime issues in its first year but the park figured out what the issue was (in two-train operation the train entering the brake run would come in so fast that a large amount of friction heat would build up on the brake fins, and when it inevitably stacked due to the short cycle time the heat from the fins would literally cause the drive tires to melt resulting in a ride fault). Maxx Force only runs one train now and this has actually boosted capacity.
Or have another coaster manufacturer come in and remove the inversions on Steel Curtain and replace it with airtime hills and a new name, Curtain’s Revenge.
Besides it’s literally huge
I’m gona unfortunately disagree with eagle becoming a hybrid it’s one of the last wooden giants of the u.s and I think it would benefit more getting a re-furb from GCI Or Gravity Group
I bet most think it should get a refurb, but that doesn’t mean six flags is gonna do that. They might see more benefits of turning it into a hybrid over a refurbishment
@@nolimitscoasterguy4813 I really hope not Rmc might make it catch fire
Just remove it. Outside the nostalgia factor it’s not a good ride and takes up WAY too much space along with the Queue
Valid points!!!
American Eagle may not be able to be removed due to the freeway, so when it needs to close, if they can't RMC it, it will be a lawn ornament for eternity after closure.
Dont worry about flashback being removed; Canada’s Wonderland’s BAT is identical to flashback. Just take a trip there! Although it can take a little bit to get to Wonderland, it’s HIGHLY recommended.
Yeah i need to get up there!! Thank you for taking the time to watch my video :) Hope you have a great day - Brandon
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Me and my family go once every year. I basically have half the park memorized. if i SOMEHOW manage to run into you, I could show you around! Bat is a big red ride, like a blood colour. If you see VORTEX, go around to the left, there you should see a more kiddie ride, little carts that go up and down and it swings you around in a circle, (I forget the name, my bad) but it looks like a weird little scrambler. there should be a path to the left of that, and if you follow that, it should lead you to bat. I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to re check. The ride should be big enough to be seen beforehand though.
SIDE NOTE! - Canada's wonderland has multiple entrances. One leads to the "scrambler" ride I mentioned, around the entrance, This entrance should have the Canada Flag in small little flowers. if you see those flowers, you're at the right entrance. take the RIGHT path and turn right, then take a left. There, you should see the ride.
If you see BEHEMOTH, a Big, Yellow, CAMEL BACK ride, You're at the LEVIATHAN entrance, which is a big, blue roller coaster. Apparently, scariest one in the park, but whatever you do, GO. ON. IT. FIRST. Even the employees there will hype you up saying : "once you finish this, you can do ANY ride." and more. They truly are the sweetest people. If you do go on leviathan, however, Just a few tips. 1 - the drop isnt your casual drop. It takes around 4-5 seconds, making you get butterflies halfway down. Just be prepared. 2 - Leviathan's top speed is 136 MPH. This is over 200 Kmh. Be prepared for your face to get SMUSHED. 3 - The ride is VERY tall. If you have a fear of heights, do not go on it. 4 - KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN. Closing your eyeswill make it more difficult and probably more scarier. there are no loops or anything, but there are a few twists and turns, so I got advice to keep your eyes open. 5 - If you're nervous, keep your mouth closed. you don't want to throw up on the ride. However, You can let out a few screams. Leviathan is located in the SCREAM ZONE of the park. Just.. don't break people's eardrums.
Even though the employees say "you can conquer any ride after this!" YOU PROBABLY CAN'T HANDLE YUKON STRIKER. SO PLEASE DONT GO ON IT IF LEVIATHAN SCARED YOU. (Yukon striker is the longest in the park. It is the big orange one that has a 90 degree drop, hangs you off the edge so you're LOOKING at what's coming, then drops you with NO reminder, and makes you feel like you're cupping inside a bit, then youre sent into a loop. It is pretty satisfying to watch from the ground though.)
However, it is a very cool park, With (PROBABLY) 100+ sensations for all ages. and as i've said, you have kind and supporting workers there too. they may laugh if you scream too much though.
Canada's wonderland is in Vaughan, Ontario, Canada. Enjoy your trip! (If you go)
I was just chatting with Coasternaut from the UK about Xcelerator being converted to an LSM launch only a couple days ago. We can both see it happening in the future unless there is some big innovation in the hydraulic systems to make them more reliable, which is unlikely. The LSM technology is certainly there to make it happen and I agree that it's too much destruction needed to try to give it the Top Thrill treatment. Supreme Scream is an obstacle as are the railroad and stagecoach paths/tracks. Knott's is a bit unpredictable right now. They have some big projects sitting around unfinished (Montezooma and Timberline Twister removal). As to Ninja here at Magic Mountain, that's a big dice roll, but I'm thinking it'll stay for a while. They just spent a fair amount of time and money doing some refurbishing and it's a good, more family style coaster which balances out the bigger thrill machines.
I hope you’re right! I love the ninja!!
Theyve spent money on the park and others than rides but who knows as long as its running good it'll still be here
American Eagle has more of a vibe to get like a refurb from GCI or Gravity Group because of its status, and the fact SFGAm already has an RMC in their park
A friend of mine who works at Cedar Point told me that corkscrew is on the chopping block and they will most likely close it on its 50th anniversary
Sorry, Brandon, I usually agree with you. But you're way off on Steel Curtain. When a park refuses to keep certain parts on the shelf or follow a manufacturer's recommends because they're trying to cut costs, who's to blame?
I'm worried for two of my favorite rides, both very unique. La Vibora and Blazing Fury. I also think Elitch Gardens will be torn down.
You and me both!
I think they might do the same to Blazing Fury as they’re doing to Fire in the Hole. I agree with you completely on La Vibora.
Kennywood will modify the Steel Curtain before removing it. It's way too popular and not to mention a prototype ride. Think of it like Lightning Rod at Dollywood but open more often. Dollywood is doing what ever they can to prolong that rides life and Kennywood more then likely will do the same. Remember what they did with Phantoms Revenge
What do you think the main issue is with SC?
@@TP_Recommendationscurrently? The issue is structural. I'd also imagine that the incredibly steep lift hill is presenting wear issues that were not anticipated. I've also noted that the 19 car has an odd vibration. Though, to be fair, I've only had a chance to ride this coaster twice during the last day of its opening season in 2019. It was closed until around 4pm, so the issue may have been it running cold. I came back around 9pm to ride it again, and the 39 car felt as if it were running much smoother and faster. In both cases, it's rather odd that a coaster with such a steep drop feels so forceless. It almost feels as if the cars are holding it back. On the other hand, when you have Phantom's Revenge giving you that running start into the hill that goes down the ravine, I may just be spoiled from the intensity of that particular ride. KW is my home park, so I'm hoping that they get SC's issues ironed out.
It's like trying to Frankenstein a bleeding patient without anesthesia. All the while it continues to scream "someone put me out of my misery I am in humongous pain!!!!" Plus money don't grow on trees, at least not in this day and age.
It would be a shame to see Steel Curtain go so soon. It certainly looks unique and quirky. I don't know why it can't be operated consistently, because overall it is a standard rollercoaster without launches and with a lift hill. I have not been on it but it looks fun.
Kennywood cannot afford to close Steel Curtain, my idea is they’ll probably spend a bit of money to work out the kinks to get it working reliably. S&S considers this to be one of their prized coasters, so I can’t see them shutting this down anytime soon.
Good point that takes away some of my fears.
I have never road Steel Curtain. It’s closed every time I’m there. Last visit it ran the day before and the day after but not the day I was there.
It seams that all of the new coasters have had some bumpy patches(remember the troubles with Lighting Rod anyone?).
@@theodoreperkoski1951 don’t remember lighting Rod, that’s another one that’s closed every time I’ve been to Dollywood.
FYI - the new GM for Six Flags St. Louis confirmed at their Dare Devil Daze event that they have zero plans to ever RMC Boss, and that they do plan to give it a big refurb (while keeping it wooden) soon.
I think Kingda Ka, as well as Xcellerator, are on their last legs. Both Knotts and SFGA are watching the Top Thrill 2 situation and if Zamperla pulls it off they may consider it. If they don't, I'd hope that the Gerstlauer does the launches. They have proven that they can launch faster than hydraulics, and if this change happens, only better things can come of this.
cant compare tiny little gerstlauer trains to intamin/zamperla lsm trains unfortunately
Yeah I really wish Gerstlauer was doing top thrill’s launches. Top Thrill’s launches have to at least be better than maverick’s launch to differentiate them.
I wish CP would grow up,let their ego go and let the past be the past. The RMC T-Rex or a single rail coaster where corkscrew currently is would be phenomenal
I agree 💯
News flash RMC T-Rex is not happening any time soon.
Corkscrew will celebrate 50, but then it will close around 27 or 28.
Dahlonega Mine Train from SFOG may get removed by 2030. If they wanted to remove it, they should pay a tribute to the coaster since it was a park original ride. By saving a few tracks and train is probably a good way to memorialize it after removing the entire ride.
I agree. The ride just isn’t popular anymore. It’s a nice chunk of land too.
Note I have no reasons for this but I’m just speculating. If Six Flags ends up liking Skyline, they may start to replace or convert mine trains into the Trailrunner model. I’m not sure about it at SFOG since we will be getting the single rail kiddy coaster dueling thingy so probably not but it’s a solid idea. The Trailrunner looks like their best model to date
@@huntzzio If SF falls in love of Skyline’s models. A Trailrunner model along with the P’Sghetti Bowl at SFOG would be amazing. Only thing is that many fans and enthusiasts would want the park to add an RMC Raptor since they can totally benefit having one and is very cheap if SF wanted to purchase one .
I'm not 100% guaranteeing it, but there's a very good chance that the Demon at Six flags Great America might get removed by 2030. The ride has been closed since late June of this year and has been just standing but not operating, there has been no announcement from the park about why the ride is closed.
It’s because of staffing. Nothing wrong with the coaster. Plus it got some updates the last few seasons with new effects and a repainted station.
I just don’t see ninja at sfmm getting removed anytime soon. It’s a stepping stone coaster for kids and new coaster riders. It’s also still decently popular and not all that rough
I do think unfortunately Xcelerator may get removed here soon as they just replaced a part after over a year down and now it broke again during testing. So i wonder if they will get it back up soon or it will be down another year or more like it has been. I wonder what knotts will do. I also wonder if montezooma's will ever come back or if its just done as the project is now stalled.
Generally agree with this list, but I think Six Flags is mostly done with hybrid conversions. If they decide to overhaul Boss, they'll bring in Gravity Group to reprofile it with precut track and an inversion or two. Basically a glorified Hades 360 conversion. If they wanted to RMC American Eagle, they'd have done it already. Great America got a new coaster every 2 years in the last decade - American Eagle's out-and-back layout was never worth the RMC treatment.
Valid points
Eagle ain't getting converted, this is from someone who used to work at the park. The issue with the coaster stems from the helix not being structurally sound enough to run two trains (the whole thing is basically built on top of a marsh which hasn't been good for the foundation), and nothing RMC or GCI can do can fix that. The park is planning to keep alternating which side is open on a year basis until the ride is clearly too old to keep going. Additionally, I think this is more common knowledge but RMC Eagle almost happened in 2014 but the park shot it down because they didn't like the price tag, so Goliath was built instead.
Very nice! And everything you mentioned, made a ton of sense! Thank you!
They could bypass the helix with an element like a dive loop. Just sayin'. I'm not rooting for RMC Eagle as I really liked it when I rode it (grant it that was in 2016, maybe it's gotten a lot rougher since). There are ways around that though.
Oof. Maybe don't build stuff on marshes?
Boomerang at stlsf ,derailed in 2016, modified a heavier chassis,this year chain broke because the chassis is now heavier than it was made for.
Yup peace out 🗑️ ride lol
I've heard from SF employees that American Eagle has significant restrictions due to road ROW proximity and passing over a road with supports right next to the pavement. It presently has a grandfather status that prevents anything more than minor maintenance. Any improvements will be a significant challenge. Perhaps a steel structure can solve the road ROW proximity issue. That being said, I would LOVE to see an RMC version that replaces the giant 540 degree helix with an overbanked track.
One of my fondest memories of American Eagle was riding the Blue Train backwards in row 1. As usual, the Blue Train beat the Red Train to the helix, but during those 540 degrees we got to look every rider in the face as the Red Train passed us on the shorter inside track.
Corkscrew s likely staying until some eventual structural issue that is costly forces CP to remove it. It has nothing to with firsts or records. Vortex got taken from KI, b/c of a structural issue on an old, low popularity coaster, that wasn't worth it to fix. The reason that CP will likely keep corkscrew is that its location is not really conducive to add another coaster to replace it. It's a long thin plot that goes over a midway. The coasters that fit the plot are not things CP would really buy.
Okay but imagine an RMC raptor replacing corkscrew. It would be interesting to see a raptor corkscrew over the path like corkscrew does to pay a little homage to it
@@LegendForsaken Like I said something that CP that wouldn't likely buy.
Kennywood is not taking Steel Curtain out after supposedly spending 20M, if they paid that much, that was silly. Nonetheless after spending big. they are going to do everything to keep it and will try to iron out the issues.
Yeah remember how they had to modify Phantom Revenge to keep it open. They'd be willing to do it again if needed to keep one of their best rides open
You are right! That’s why I said we will never be able to ride it the way it is now again come 2030
Kennywood is my home park and I was more than thrilled when they announced it… All the downtime and issues they’ve had with fixing it, They should’ve just spent extra money on a B&M invert. I really thought that was gonna be what was going to go over the lake. Oh well.
I genuinely, whole heartedly believe EVERYTHING on Cedar Point's Arrow Alley is safe, except the Mine Ride. Corkscrew, Gemini, and Magnum aren't going anywhere.
Steel Curtain And Xcelerator Shouldn't Be Removed
Carrowinds would certainly fit several new rides in that area. I’d say a new water ride, an RMC revamped Hurler, and a B&M dive coaster in the course of at least five years.
i love time warp, but nobody goes there. Flight deck is just hell
ahh yes, nothing like Invertigo in North America, totally, it's not like there's a Vekoma inverted boomerang with basically the same layout, only difference being that it's vertical towers in Idaho, nope, not at all
Different model, diff name :) so yeah. They are different 😁
STEAMIN DEMON at Six Flags Great Escape. And I’m going to say in the next 5 years. I think Six Flags may replace this coaster for the parks 75th anniversary. Great Escape is still teasing improvements for next years 70th anniversary. I think in this time span Great Escape might get some love from Six Flags.
Candymonium and Wildcats Revenge at Hershey Park will probably be around for at least 20 to 30 Years
i think six flags Great America should have removed Demon a long time ago and i would be sad to see changes to American Eagle.i was young when they built that coaster and now im old and its still there
You freaked me out when I saw Gemini and then you called out Corkscrew! Lol! Gemini was my first "big" coaster.
Wouldn't it be cool if American Eagle became the first T-Rex model? A racing T-Rex would certainly put them on the map
As someone from Pittsburgh I don’t want this video to be right however I would love to see what kennywood does with the space(please bring the log flume back kennywood)
I doubt it will go away. Possibly modified to be more reliable.
How did you not list Anaconda at Kings Dominion?
I work at sfgam and from everything I’ve heard I think there’s a bigger chance of demon getting removed than eagle
I don’t think they will, it’s only closed this year because of staffing. Plus they did tons of updates to it the past few years with new theming and effects.
@@tigerrocks503chase8 do you work there
Don’t remove Demon. It’s one of the parks OG coasters and it’s not that hard to maintain like some of the larger Arrow Coasters that lasted not as long. It might be rough, but I think it’s aged like fine wine and it has a decent fan base.
The Demon at CGA though I think is the one that might happen though.
Let the Demon get to 50 or more to keep Arrow’s legacy alive. Plus S&S still has leftover spare parts.
Tell the team at Great America this is not a good idea. Look what happened when they tried removing Whizzer…
@@tigerrocks503chase8 ok, the reason demon closed this year is because “the ceo ordered it to close temporarily” and I heard from maintenance team members that demon is an electrical nightmare and is hard to maintain because of how old it it’s it’s hard to get parts for it. And selim doesn’t care about how original it is, sfgam needs a new coaster and they don’t have much empty room.
@@tigerrocks503chase8 don’t get me wrong, I love demon, but I’m just telling you what I know
Steel curtain is unsurprising,as a person whos local park in kennywood,i can confirm its closed every time i go. I heard them test the chainlift once.
love this list! I agree with everything you said in this video. I think Six Flags America will slowly get a ton of new investment until it eventually becomes one of the upper tier parks in the chain.
Nah
I disagree with you on America. I’m hoping to go next week since I’ll be in the area for a run, but when I was there last year around this time it was very clear there was an operations/staffing issue. Until that is resolved I wouldn’t invest much else in the park without removing a current attraction because they just can’t staff what they currently have.
Added weight to Kings Island. Congo Falls is next to Invertigo. Its crowded on hot days but seems like its down more and more each year. If congo falls and Invertigo are gone, that whole area opens up.
Been my dream for a while they'll take those out and put a cool coaster there by the gate. Seems an obvious choice, but there are easier places to build than removing something else yet.
I’ve thought about them taking those out and having a wing coaster go over the gate like Cedar point, but that would be repetitive and they won’t do that. But a front gate coaster would be great! It would give them an excuse to rehab that awful entrance.
If they took out that live theater stage area past congo falls along with invertigo and congo falls that would open up a giant area where they could build any kind of coaster they wanted that would be highly visible from the parking lot like intimidator at Carowinds.
@@collegeluvr CF has seemed to love the dive coaster, and I could see them putting one right in that area and then re-theming Action Zone completely along with it. I don't live dive coasters, but it's a statement piece, especially right at the gate.
Brandon, I like where you're coming from with Xcelerator, but I think they'll go about it differently-they'll turn around the trains and put 2 launches in. They will have to reprofile the turns but after the second one it would be heading up the tower, and they might be able to fit in a spike that way; if not it would then shoot over and then coast to a stop on the current launch track. Just wanted to give my thoughts, and good video!
Love your idea!! Thank you for sharing!
I disagree. I cant see them putting in a Spike for Xcelerator, rather I see them putting in a single powerful LSM launch, they’ll still have to extend the launch a bit, but I still think they can deliver quite a powerful launch with just LSMs
As much as I don't want it to go, I agree with you that Corkscrew will be the next in line to get remove.
I am one of the few who’s actually enjoys nighthawk!
(not vortex) I was there this summer and got in line for nighthawk three times… Two out of three of those times it broke down while we were in line. We were talking with the employees of the ride and they said everyone despises working the ride because it breaks down so often. I really am intrigued to see why Carowinds dumped so much money into the Coaster when it’s still, it’s nowhere near, reliable as it should be
Also crossing my fingers that Invertigo and any spares left over from Stinger can be relocated to Valleyfair! It could fit in well next to Wild Thing and the wave pool.
yeah pretty unfortunate that a regular chain lift coaster has so much downtime. I wonder if it has to do with sensor tech or braking systems cause it doesn't seem much more intense than your average multi looper
1:31 they had us in the first half not gonna lie
For my home park, Canada’s Wonderland, I am all supportive on Flight Deck and Time Warp getting the axe. The former is awful, and though I don’t think the latter is /too/ bad, those Paramount editions don’t need to be there. Maybe a new-generation Vekoma or a Zamperla Lightning Launch could go there. Or, Maybe the B&M Invert the park so rightfully deserves.
Great ideas!!! And you’re right$!
I agree that boss should be RMCed because it is such a low capacity, rough hell that the first half kind of sucks with its big helixs than the second half is a bit better. Six flags Saint Louis really needs a brand new coaster.
Kennywood is my home park. People would not believe how often that thing is closed. Its closed for the remainder of this season. To be honest, i dont want to see it go, cause i love the ride and it helps Kennywood's ride lineup. However, i just dont think its worth the trouble for them to keep it open. I agree that they'll remove that ride and hopefully open a new coaster in its place. I doubt itll be a good replacement for Steel Curtain though
The combined Flashback/Goliath plot at Six Flags New England would be *perfect* for one of those new Vekoma Super Boomerangs, like the one Six Flags is building at Great Adventure. It even has a nice story to go with it: the old Boomerangs give way to the new! It'd be the launch coaster New England needs as well.
A while back, I proposed that a PowerSplash might go in there, but I agree with Airtime Thrills that that's unlikely. People have proposed all sorts of other things--a B&M mini-dive, an S&S air-launch coaster, a Gerstlauer Infinity, an RMC single rail--and all of those could happen, but the more I think about it, the more I think a Super Boomerang is the obvious choice, and one that Six Flags already has some history with.
You faked me out by showing Gemini while talking about Corkscrew lol
Haha! Good! :-)
Corkscrew should definitely be removed because I rode it once last year and it was horrible. The corkscrews caused my head to bang from side to side on the shoulder restraints. the other parts of it wasn’t all that exciting, it’s trains were pretty small in leg room and I have no idea why it is like that. They should definitely get rid of this ride and replace it with that rmc trex in the near future. I bet that would be much more fun than corkscrew. The they could take the corkscrews and place them right next to kiddy kingdom where that empty space is with all the trees
I think Six Flags Great Adventure will remove or redesign Green Lantern because I think everybody who rides this ride does not in someway get their head banged. People have complained about getting headaches or ears ringing after riding this ride. This ride is so bumpy and shaky that having something hurting after riding this ride is unavoidable. This ride has very low ridership because people know the roughness of the ride and people would make a B-Line for Superman instead I could see Green Lantern get the Mantis treatment which is now Rougarou at CP. Maybe Six Flags Great Adventure will at least give Green Lantern new track. I could also see them building a whole new Standup or Standup Twister coaster that goes over the parking lot for some part of the ride.
I don't see Steel Curtain going that quick. While other parks would get rid of it quickly... Kennywood has been particularly persistent when it comes to coasters with horrific reliability. Look at Steel Phantom, Sky Rocket, etc.
We have some time left before their removals.
Yes we do... But how much time :)
Xcelerator can get spare parts from Senzafiato & TTD.
8:49 every time I go to Carowinds those are usually 2 hr waits (nighthawk is)
Corkscrew needs to go. It is the one coaster I ALWAYS skip when at Cedar Point. It was a bumpy and uncomfortable ride 25 years ago.
Leave the corkscrew track over the walking path for a monument to it. Also will miss time warp… the strangest coaster I have been on.
A lot of these rides are nearing the end of their service life, and a few have surpassed it by sheer luck.
I thought you were going to say Kingda Ka. I doubt this will ever get removed due to the world record.
And the fact that the world's tallest and best drop tower ride is attached to the coaster structure.
Steel Curtain really is a fantastic ride, such a shame it has constant issues. I’ve always wondered what those issues are, since it’s not a complicated ride and most S&S coasters are much more reliable (although not perfect).
Only thing that I think would prevent them from removing it is due to the relationship with the Steelers and the licensing. Might not be an issue at all, but would be a bad look to tear down a new-ish coaster that celebrates the local team.
"Call up Zamperla for Xcelerator"
Me: NOOOOOOO😭😭😭😭
Just get Intamin to add LSMs!!
I know right?
Some thoughts for the algorithm. I love the Boss layout and would like it to get retracked by the Gravity Group. RMC could make this a crazy ride, but this is a wooden coaster I want to stay wooden. I won't be too upset if RMC does get their hands on it though.
As a hater of wild mouse coasters I would support the removal of Wild Mouse. The water park is in a bad location so it would be great if it was relocated if possible. That would really open up space.
I would hate to see SFMM remove Ninja. It's a fun ride and a good stepping stone. Unless Ninja is replaced with another thrill coaster it wouldn't make sense to remove it since the park is has a lot of intense coasters.
I don't get why the talk of RMC American Eagle still persists. If SFGAm wanted to go that route they would have instead of building Goliath. I know SFNE had Flashback and Goliath next to each other, but it's highly unlikely for SFGAm to have Goliath and RMC AE next to each othet.
I really like HRRR and don't get the hate. I don't know anything about its reliability and its had little downtime every time I've been to USF. I hope HRRR is around longer, but if it goes soon then I hope the replacement is even better.
I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts!!
That’s the thing about American Eagle… I mean paint fading aside, that ride is large and gorgeous! The things anybody could do with that… I hope it stays because it could be turned into something epic.
I appreciate you taking the time to make fun videos. Hopefully we'll meet at a park sometime.
Flight deck is awesome just gotta lean your head foward so you don't bang off the restraints and then it's a great ride
Honestly I wish Vortex at Carowinds got removed sooner but I love night hawk but I know some people find it shaky or rough. But i have seen it with a longer line than Fury but if it does get removed, i would love to see what gets put in there, especially since it can react with the water! Keep up the amazing content!
I’m just surprised that Vortex hasn’t gone floorless yet.
That too, honestly ive wanted to experience vortexes layout again without my heart getting replaced by my liver@@josiahthompson3092
I'm not. I've ridden both Patriot and Vortex and can tell you that I much prefer Vortex. Sure, neither ride was great, but while Vortex is an OK stand-up coaster (to some), Patriot is a BAD floorless coaster. It only really worked for Rougarou because Mantis was a better ride to begin with. I can't speak for Apocalypse, but I've heard nothing great. @@josiahthompson3092
I don't see CP removing Corkscrew soon. It's not that it's a good ride, but it never seems to be down. I also disagree with you that it takes up a lot of space. Seems like it has a small enough footprint, that they wouldn't gain much space for it. At this point, I wouldn't care if they remove it. I think they would be smarter to move Roogarou to a different park and put a new coaster there.
CP fanboy here… Lol… If they were to remove it, I really hope they keep the corkscrew portion over the midway for nostalgia. I know one of the other parks did it somewhere in Europe sorry I don’t know which one right now… But that is such an iconic look for that midway.
I wouldn't mind a If I Owned this park how would I improve the series. Also I hope ninja at sfss disappears soon
When I was at Knott's in late November 2019 4 years ago: hydraulic launches were still ubiquitous, not to mention I'd just come back from Blackpool, Alton Towers and Thorpe Park with Stealth; the fastest rate of acceleration on a hydraulic launch coaster, even if it had OTSRs instead of T bar restraints. On the other had: I like a long ride, which is why I'm looking forward to Top Thrill 2 (even though I don't even know if I can afford t visit Cedar Point next year for my 2nd visit there ever). Those are just my thoughts, thanks for posting!
Some rides stay for the character and imagery of the park. Like Corkscrew.
Kennywood needs to talk to B&M
They have. They never make it past the cost estimate.
I don’t think I’ve even been happy to not see KD on this list!!!
I’m glad I got to ride Steel Curtain this year… it was definitely fun, however it was only running one train and definitely made the wait time crazy.
It was running 2 last year that's weird
Esp with how slow that lift hill is too
Steel Curtain is a maintenance nightmare considering the logically impossible architecture it sustains. You kinda have to be a perfectionist on manufacturing and architecture because one wrong measurement spells disaster and potentially death. I would know. I watch Fascinating Horror.
Hate to say it I think Matterhorn may need a retrack sooner then later.
Very interesting thought-provoking list. I am especially surprised about the idea of RailBlazer, but that makes sense. I do not think Wild Mouse will be removed because Hersheypark needs coasters for their large kid crowd. I also really really hope Steel Curtain stays, I haven’t ridden but hopefully I’ll be able to soon.
If Canada’s Wonderland closes Minebuster I will throw a party. I will kinda miss Time Warp though.
😂 party let’s go!
The American eagle definitely needs a update as soon as possible. When I went on it like 5 years ago it was bumpy of corse but now when I went on it this years it’s terrible. So bumpy lots of air and your head hurts bad after going on it. One of those rides you can only ride once now kinda deal. As well as the red line has been closed for quite awhile now.
Might be my phone but some sounds off in the audio. Kinda got a echo.
As for Carowinds, they've received some of the largest coaster investments from Cedar Fair in the past decade. But I think they're going to take it slower in the 20s, especially if Copperhead Strike hasn't generated the ROI they expected. Assuming a Mack PowerSplash isn't happening, we might see a mid-sized Mack Water Coaster for 2025 on part of the Dinos Alive plot. This would fill an overdue family coaster niche, and within 3 years, I could see them replace Flying Cobras with a Zamperla Double Heart. They urgently need a coaster that's about 150 feet tall, and the Boomerang plot is perfect for it. I'm skeptical Hurler would be RMC'd before a ground-up woodie is built, though, and it seems likely the spares they received from Firehawk could keep Nighthawk operational through 2030. In an optimistic timeline, Carowinds might get a GCI in the front of the park around 2030. But if a B&M Dive is to replace Nighthawk and Vortex as anticipated, that'll probably come later.
honestly I feel like Carowinds would benefit more from a hyper ground up RMC rather than a redo of hurler. I also feel like they could get gravity group to make hurler a nice woodie like they did to grizzly at kings dominion
@@thefrenchcommander5770 Well, Carowinds desperately needs a coaster with a 150-160 ft lift hill. Their 3rd tallest coaster is the Boomerang from Geauga Lake. That needs to be remedied within the decade, and an RMC conversion of Hurler could definitely achieve that.
@@brianfoss571 I just don’t think it would be possible to make hurler 150-160 feet without doing a wildcats revenge
@@thefrenchcommander5770 That's not a bad thing, though. The southeast already has Lightning Rod, Twisted Timbers, and ArieForce One. If BGW is getting a variation of Zadra, a version of Wildcat's Revenge would work well at Carowinds
I can easily see both Roar and Batwing. I honestly think Batwing will be first though since there’s only one train, and the placement is terrible.
Valid points!!
In the area of flight deck and time warp. Wonderland could maybe build an rmc
Flight Deck and Time Warp are awful but I'd bet on a Wilde Beast or Mindbuster removal or adjustment happening first. Wilde Beast has a huge footprint and it's basically invisible. I wouldn't be surprised if most people walking by even knew it was there. And both of them feel more like Getting Headbutted by Angry Goats Simulator than theme park rides. I'd burn them both if I could.
I can definitely see the Steel Curtain getting the axe. It’s frustrating as hell to see this lawn ornament just sitting there in the lagoon and where the log jammer used to be. Plus, Steel Phantom only lasted 9 years. Kennywood has to use their limited land wisely, so decisions like that aren’t uncommon.
It’s a great ride
@@TP_Recommendations I agree. I just hope the kinks finally get worked out.
Unfortunately I do see screaming eagle at sfstl either refurbish with better wood or a brand new coaster
I love Steel Curtain and it would be sad to see it go. I just don't understand what CP will do with Corkscrew's space. Its tiny, and relocating those offices is just more expensive work they don't want to do. I would rather see it get new trains along with the MA corkscrew and see CCMR bite the dust instead. Iron Boss makes me sick, please just no! Give it the Ghostrider treatment, I think Gravity Group would be most suited for the task. Six Flags St. Louis can spend the money for a ground up RMC without cannibalizing a good ride fallen into disrepair.
Steel Curtain is the one prediction I just can't get behind. Kennywood and S&S have more incentive to fix it than to remove it.
Regarding Corkscrew, there's a lot of unused space around Power Tower, a lot of recently freed-up space where Matterhorn and Scrambler used to be, and Himalaya can be easily moved. The writing is on the wall for Corkscrew.
CCMR fills a very important role as a beginner "big kid ride" for families due to its low height restriction and less intimidating appearance. It's definitely an important ride that the park wishes to keep.
As much as I would also love LOVE to see Boss get a complete refurb instead of a reimagining, I think Arie Force at Fun Spot may have been the final nail in the coffin.
I can see Rail Blazer being removed also. That area could use a new coaster, but there is another area has had several coasters in there at CGA. I really think because their were other flat rides also in that area years ago, have had really bad luck with Vertigo etc.
La vibora at sfot needs to put out of its misery. Rode it in August. Only coaster I've ever ridden that legitimately injured me. I don't mind rough rides at all. There's a certain organic feel to many rougher rides. But my back hurt for 6 weeks after that ride. Been riding that ride for over 30 years. And that was officially my last one. Plz gimme an axis coaster in it's place that extends out into the picnic areas and takes.over the abandoned gas station in the parking lot! With all the love they have put into the Spain and mexico section, they need a crown jewel of a coaster to round out that area.
That's too bad about la vibora. I rode it in 06 and it was great, but that was 17 years ago. I rode the now closed bobsled at great escape in 2015 and it was really rough like how you describe la vibora. I last rode avalanche at Kings Dominion in 2018 and it was good, but I don't know how it's holding up 5 years later with the complete overhaul and change to reptilian.
The Mack bobsleds like Reptilian use a completely different track type that ages more gracefully and can operate in the rain. I think Reptilian still has quite a few years left. Sadly, the Intamins like Bobsleds and Vibora seem to be coming to the end of their serviceable life. @@TheBolligerMabillardLover
Intamin doing they're own take on b and ms dive coaster model...yes or no.
Cool idea!
@@TP_Recommendations what elements...how bout one of them long stalls going over a pathway with lapbars...
What about viper at sfmm
My removal predictions:
Twister III: Storm Chaser at Elitch Gardens
Diamondback at Frontier City
Excalibur at Valleyfair
Monstre at La Ronde
All Wild Mice that only that one mouse operations at Cedar Fair parks
I can't speak for most of these rides, but I know Excalibur recently got a major update to its control systems. I'd count on it to stick around for a bit longer.
I think scream machine would make an awesome rmc just leave the helix and bank it more and just go rmc crazy with the rest!
Zamperla is what steel curtain needs
Honestly, as much as Kennywood LOVES Zamperla, I'm surprised that's not who built it! Every brand-new flat they've installed since Aero 360 has been a Zamperla. That said, Zamperla was not yet ready to build a 200' coaster in 2019.
You only said Steel Curtain because youre Bengals fan
lol. shhhhhhh....
actually that isn't the reason, and nothing more brings me as much joy as to wearing my Bengals Jersey as I ride SC :) lol
I think they would remover rougarou before corckscrew
That was dirty... I thought you were going to say Gemini lol.
11:22 I’m thinking Demon at SFGAm gets removed before Eagle.
Don’t talk like that!!! Lol. I love Demon, especially the corny 80’s music, but I’m probably the only one! 😂
@@collegeluvr I know some people love the jankiness of the old Arrow coasters but I'm not one of them.
One correction- Nighthawk is actually popular at Carowinds. It has the longest line in the park every day it is open. Now it isn't popular with you or myself, but the GP will ride so I think as long as they can keep it operating and don't have a bigger thing for that plot of land, it will be around. Way more popular than Vortex or Carolina Cyclone or Hurler.
In terms of your selections, I agree with most of your selections. Boss and american Eagle are probably the two I'm on the other side about. I don't think Eagle gets RMCd with Goliath in the park. If they need the land for something else they will take it down but remember GAm is the park that saved Whizzer so those guest like their historic coasters. As far as Boss, I don't see them making the change to RMC it. I think they remove the boomerang or Ninja before the RMC Boss.
As far as some of your takes, I think it is a real possibility a coaster like Steel Curtain could get removed over the next 6 years if things don't improve. I also tend to agree with you about XCelerator. These parks can't have one of their top attractions down for that long of a time.
It will be disappointing to see RailBlazer go but they really should just give it to Michigan's Adventure.
Nighthawk was down all last season and now it’s down for the next 6 months. They need to get rid of it if they can’t keep it open.
Nighthawk and Batwing are the last ever roller coasters of their kind. If Nighthawk goes, Batwing will become and endling. There are only two operating Vekoma Flying Dutchmans ever created left in the entire world, and it would suck for this type of roller coaster to go extinct so soon. It's not about the enjoyment, but to preserve the tiniest piece of its remaining legacy for a few more years to come.
5:42 and the fact that ninja e-stops it’s self at least twice a day when it is open (which is rare0 doesn’t help Ninja either.
I really wish RMC Boss would happen in 2024 because I go that way quite a bit but probably won't after 2024 honestly I plan on settling down and getting married and having kids, in Michigan. CP and Michigan Adventure being my home parks per se even though they're not really close to home.