Having to clean the main running track a lot less will be a great aid to those who can't physically cope with all that track cleaning as well. Thank you for taking the time to highlight this new high nickel grade of track. Much appreciated, Jenny. Cheers!
Thank You Jenny, for a great critical review of the new DCC concepts tarnish resistant HO scale flex track! This is revolutionary; this sounds excellent, for outdoor use!
C&L Finescale have been selling what they call 'HiNi' rail for quite some time. This is short for 'High Nickel'. Standard nickel silver rail has around 12% of nickel in it and tends to look quite yellow in appearance. C&L’s specially designed 'HiNi' rail has 18% of nickel and as a result it looks much more like steel rail. They do bullhead Flexi Track in OO, EM and P4 teack guages.
What we need now is a code 100 version of bullhead track or at least the rail so that it can be soldered to PCB sleepers or the Legacy range of point bases. Code 100 is essential if you have a large fleet of stock from early Triang to the latest OO items. At the moment we are stuck with Hornby or Peco code 100 track that uses flat bottom rail and that is not realistic if modelling the Big Four era of British railways.
There's a line in America that was called the 'Nickle Plate Road' because it was so expensive to construct! You can get a Berkshire loco with this legend on the tender. The drawback with specialist track like this is always the price! Thanks for uploading.
@@JenniferEKirk The price for straight track may be the same, but I doubt that would be true for points. Do you know if any points will be in the range?
@@tenterdentown2452 When straight track price IS equally matched, given Peco's VERY expensive points prices, what actual reason have you for doubting they cannot also be matched?
@@John-Tropi I doubt Computer Concepts will be able to beat Peco on price for points. Peco has been in the business for a long time, and it is generally acknowledged that its trackwork is the best. I am pleased that this range of OO scale tracks has been introduced, but I think the points to go with it are a long way off!
@@tenterdentown2452"In the business a long time" can lead to complacency. Peco is good and I like their products. But it is certainly not cheap and some people do consider it over-priced. So it is natural to question whether you have an actual REASON for automatically presuming that Peco's points price cannot be matched or beaten, when the one real fact we do have to hand is that, for plain track, their price HAS been matched! On that factual basis, it seems very likely that their points price COULD be matched. However, since there's no possibility of knowing whether DCC points will ever or never be made, it's pretty pointless(!) to make wild predictions about the future price of what is, and might well remain, vapor-ware.
just so as not to create the wrong impression, though the DCCC bullhead track is good, it is NOT the only 00 scale bullhead track available - the 'rival' [PECO as we all know!] also do a very realistic BH track, and the old SMP Scaleway track is still available, though its representation of the chairs is rather thin. However the 'bees knees' is the C&L brand which has been around for several years, and is also available in EM gauge and P4 gauge
If they bring out ready made points and crossings I can see this really taking off providing the cost is comparable to 'other market' brands. It would then would be the time to investigate other scales.
Looks like a great product. Being able to run OO outside without what I’m sure would be a LOT of maintenance would be great. Especially as O gauge is so expensive. I’ve been using a product called INOX on my DCC indoor layout. Has really reduced the amount of time I spend cleaning track and has really improved the running of some of my locos. Some great videos out there on the product, especially one from a a very charismatic Australian guy!! Great channel thanks
this is ok if your just about to build a layout but of no use to those who already have a layout .i dont know anyone who would pull up all there layout to replace the track. and what about cost? dcc concepts are not cheap ,and while a great idea its an extra cost that most hobby builders may not see the point of . the bull head rail joiners seem nice but from 3 feet away in normal viewing distance my 60 year old peepers wouldnt see the diffrence ...evenbwith my specs lol. good vid jen but folk need to be aware of the fact that you dont need to go this far .design your layout properly and you will be able to reach your track .cheers.
Complaining for the sake of it. I am going to slowly replace parts of my layout I have ancient set track on. Delighted they are catering for us code 100 savages. Happy days!
To keep track from kinking on curves I always solder the joints in a straight line. I have soldered s many pieces as 4 at one time. You have to loose some sleepers when bending to the radius but they can be put back in after the main sections of track are glued down. I do like that there is quite a bit of track sticking out from the ends of each piece. Most have very little. The ends have to be modified to get space for the fish plates. Thank God that I don't have to worry about track cleaning except for the large particles of dirt that will at times collect on the track. I have converted to complete battery power and have absolutely no power in the track at all... My engines will run on a table top with out track, on a DC layout, or a DCC layout, or on track that is not electrified at all. Also I have no shorts possible..
Hello, good video. Wondering whether the legacy brand is developing points to go with and also anything planned in n gauge? If no points planned have w compatible are they expected to be with the peco bullhead points? Thanks
Presumably they're making sure the nickel is not being sourced from Russia(#3 or #4 producer in the world). We use a different aquatic animal over this side...alligator clips.
@@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains No, it's a valid point, just because you choose to ignore world events that might happen to impact your hobby that's your choice...I choose not to help criminal scum in any way possible.
@@zaklex3165 are you making threats now? So freedom for Ukrainians but no one else? Gotcha... BTW what cause will you pin your sanctimony on when this is no longer fashionable and providing you with Virtue Signalling points? Just go away.
It is the rail height. Code 75 is 75 thousandths of an inch, and code 100 is 100 thou. HO US track is normally code 83. Code 75 is closer to scale than code 100
Anyone want my 2 full unopened boxes 50mts of SL-100 Peco track.. Looks like i will need this new stuff from DCC Connies for Bletchton High Level garden railway. Sod cleaning that all the while..!!!!
I wonder whether this track is being over-hyped regarding the claim to never require cleaning? I understand that there won't be much oxidisation but what about all of the other crud deposited on the rails, such as when using rolling stock with plastic wheels, or oil from locomotives?
Another fantastic vid Jen. I've just moved house. I had just started a small DCC layout b4. I'm hoping to grow it again. Just purchased a Z21 Controller system. Not sure if u have used it. Could u recommend a point control system that works with it. All advice welcome. I'm looking at Bullhead points and track, just ordered 1 crossover point from peco to try it....Especially that DCC concepts track, looks amazing. Thank you.
HI the track looks great as iam building a new layout at the old age of 70 so why not buy some well contacted Rails of Sheffield to find out if they sold in smaller quantities of Lenghts as you have to buy 25 NO you can not do Contacted DCC there again No ,not by mail order only if you turn up to there Head office at Settle in Yorkshire Iam in the midlands miles away and need around 35 lths Am i missing some think ? if this is the way i dont think they will sell much and at the current time money is getting Tight It would be nice to buy 1 or 2 lengths to look at first PHIL G
Nice product do they also provide the rail in separate lengths of rail for those of us who hand lay and builds our own custom turnouts and crossings and does it take solder well? The higher the silver content the higher the heat needed io get a good flow. Also do they plan to offer larger codes for us O scalers?
The soldering demo is in the video. It solders very easily. DCCc do sell individual track components for making your own track. These include kits for points, slips etc.
Oh Dear, I've already ordered some, because DCC Concepts stated that the sleepers are UK prototypical, so therefore ought to closely match the Bullhead track sleepering, but your video shows that's not the case. I needed some flat bottom track to lay on an up line alongside a down line laid with bullhead track, this was typical in the 1950's and 60's. What a waste of money!
Hi Eve - I've got your email - sorry I haven't responded yet. The flat bottomed track has always been promoted as having slightly longer and wider sleepers, spaced slightly further apart than other brands (to make it more acceptable at OO), but it still has to be visually compatible with established point work or it would look odd. We've never said that the flat bottomed track is prototypically scaled for OO. The Bullhead track is accurate for OO, with sleepers spaced much further apart.
@@richardbrighton7737 Richard, if it wasn't DCC Concepts that said it maybe it was one of your dealers that send out e-mail notices, I do know that I received an e-mail stating that the track was 00 with appropriate sleeper spacing. Anyway how about replying to my e-mail? But more importantly, how about some prototypical 00 flat bottom track with wooden sleepers??? NO-one makes it, lots want it, so how about it?
@@flipvideodemo I watched this new product with interest when you first started selling it but haven't seen any hint that N scale was going to have the same opportunity. Is it in the "too hard basket" or just the "not yet basket"?
You might feed back to DCC Concepts for their instructions that the possessive form of "its" doesn't take an apostrophe - you only do that if it's a contraction of "it is". I'm always unimpressed by printed instructions with grammatical errors, for which there is no excuse.
Hmm! OK, rip it all up and start again with the new track! :-) Do DCC also make - or intent to make - spare sleeper sections for filling in the gaps at joints?
Hi Jenny ,i bought some new code 100 rail joiners from dcc concepts when they first came out and found they are far too loose when applied to track .Have you tried applying them to your code 100 track yet ?
If you find these are too loose, please let us know... ...you can either give them a little squeeze with some pliers or return them to us for an exchange :-) ^RB @DCCconcepts
Amazing feat achieving this quality of track and understandably it's going to be very expensive to produce and thus sell, but to anybody who has limited funds to spend on their hobby, it's simply not an option unfortunately.
It's stainless steel,not nickel silver. It has at least 74% iron. The rest nickel/Chrome. The track is top shelf. Soldering needs to be hot, plastic not good.
With electronics a technique is to attach a pair of locking tweezers or spring clip between the soldering and the heat sensitive item - it acts as a heat sink - the same thing would have worked for the situation in the video at 14:30
@@JenniferEKirk I'll give you that. All the advertising DCCconconpts is putting out would agree. Old advertising would disagree. Go subbase western Australia.
Must of been posts like this on the Dcc Concepts Forum that confused me!! @@JenniferEKirk posts Jennifer Kirk 16/04/21 Those of you familiar with the showroom in Settle will have seen the really impressive model of Ribblehead viaduct. Today in a rare quiet moment I posed a very fine kit built Standard class 4 on it. Don't tell the Boss as it's his loco!
Just caught this, somewhat late. How do you deal with the fact that the sleeper profiles (if that’s the correct term) are thinner than the compatible Peco bullhead points? Won’t the straights all need building up with plasticard or similar? Also at @flipvideodemo
Hi Jennifer. To my rubbish eyes this track looks very similar in appearance to Peco standard code 75? I use Peco Bullhead which to me looks more realistic to model steam era. I maybe wrong of course 🫢
The Code 75 and Code 100 flatbottom track is 100% compatible with other brands. Our Bullhead track is different and not at all like the 75 and 100 variants. :)
So glad manufacturers are starting to turn their attention to more prototypicaly correct track for the uk.
Having to clean the main running track a lot less will be a great aid to those who can't physically cope with all that track cleaning as well. Thank you for taking the time to highlight this new high nickel grade of track. Much appreciated, Jenny. Cheers!
Thank You Jenny, for a great critical review of the new DCC concepts tarnish resistant HO scale flex track!
This is revolutionary; this sounds excellent, for outdoor use!
C&L Finescale have been selling what they call 'HiNi' rail for quite some time. This is short for 'High Nickel'. Standard nickel silver rail has around 12% of nickel in it and tends to look quite yellow in appearance. C&L’s specially designed 'HiNi' rail has 18% of nickel and as a result it looks much more like steel rail. They do bullhead Flexi Track in OO, EM and P4 teack guages.
Thank you for showing how good the track is.
What we need now is a code 100 version of bullhead track or at least the rail so that it can be soldered to PCB sleepers or the Legacy range of point bases. Code 100 is essential if you have a large fleet of stock from early Triang to the latest OO items. At the moment we are stuck with Hornby or Peco code 100 track that uses flat bottom rail and that is not realistic if modelling the Big Four era of British railways.
There's a line in America that was called the 'Nickle Plate Road' because it was so expensive to construct! You can get a Berkshire loco with this legend on the tender. The drawback with specialist track like this is always the price! Thanks for uploading.
Identically priced to Peco
@@JenniferEKirk The price for straight track may be the same, but I doubt that would be true for points. Do you know if any points will be in the range?
@@tenterdentown2452 When straight track price IS equally matched, given Peco's VERY expensive points prices, what actual reason have you for doubting they cannot also be matched?
@@John-Tropi I doubt Computer Concepts will be able to beat Peco on price for points. Peco has been in the business for a long time, and it is generally acknowledged that its trackwork is the best. I am pleased that this range of OO scale tracks has been introduced, but I think the points to go with it are a long way off!
@@tenterdentown2452"In the business a long time" can lead to complacency. Peco is good and I like their products. But it is certainly not cheap and some people do consider it over-priced. So it is natural to question whether you have an actual REASON for automatically presuming that Peco's points price cannot be matched or beaten, when the one real fact we do have to hand is that, for plain track, their price HAS been matched! On that factual basis, it seems very likely that their points price COULD be matched. However, since there's no possibility of knowing whether DCC points will ever or never be made, it's pretty pointless(!) to make wild predictions about the future price of what is, and might well remain, vapor-ware.
just so as not to create the wrong impression, though the DCCC bullhead track is good, it is NOT the only 00 scale bullhead track available - the 'rival' [PECO as we all know!] also do a very realistic BH track, and the old SMP Scaleway track is still available, though its representation of the chairs is rather thin. However the 'bees knees' is the C&L brand which has been around for several years, and is also available in EM gauge and P4 gauge
Another informative video
Thank you
If they bring out ready made points and crossings I can see this really taking off providing the cost is comparable to 'other market' brands. It would then would be the time to investigate other scales.
Looks like a great product. Being able to run OO outside without what I’m sure would be a LOT of maintenance would be great. Especially as O gauge is so expensive.
I’ve been using a product called INOX on my DCC indoor layout. Has really reduced the amount of time I spend cleaning track and has really improved the running of some of my locos. Some great videos out there on the product, especially one from a a very charismatic Australian guy!! Great channel thanks
Do they have this in concrete ties as well? Or possibly in the future?
Awesome video Jenny
this is ok if your just about to build a layout but of no use to those who already have a layout .i dont know anyone who would pull up all there layout to replace the track. and what about cost? dcc concepts are not cheap ,and while a great idea its an extra cost that most hobby builders may not see the point of . the bull head rail joiners seem nice but from 3 feet away in normal viewing distance my 60 year old peepers wouldnt see the diffrence ...evenbwith my specs lol. good vid jen but folk need to be aware of the fact that you dont need to go this far .design your layout properly and you will be able to reach your track .cheers.
The track is the same price as Peco track.
Complaining for the sake of it. I am going to slowly replace parts of my layout I have ancient set track on. Delighted they are catering for us code 100 savages. Happy days!
To keep track from kinking on curves I always solder the joints in a straight line. I have soldered s many pieces as 4 at one time. You have to loose some sleepers when bending to the radius but they can be put back in after the main sections of track are glued down. I do like that there is quite a bit of track sticking out from the ends of each piece. Most have very little. The ends have to be modified to get space for the fish plates. Thank God that I don't have to worry about track cleaning except for the large particles of dirt that will at times collect on the track. I have converted to complete battery power and have absolutely no power in the track at all... My engines will run on a table top with out track, on a DC layout, or a DCC layout, or on track that is not electrified at all. Also I have no shorts possible..
awesome video
I bought some Bullhead Legacy Track with Wooden Sleeper in December 2019, still waiting for them to bring out ready-made points ☹
Hello, good video. Wondering whether the legacy brand is developing points to go with and also anything planned in n gauge? If no points planned have w compatible are they expected to be with the peco bullhead points? Thanks
Fully compatible to Peco points. I am unaware of plans for other scales.
The only problem with widening the sleeper spacings is, unless you alter the gauge it will give the illusion of a narrower gauge track.
Presumably they're making sure the nickel is not being sourced from Russia(#3 or #4 producer in the world). We use a different aquatic animal over this side...alligator clips.
Go away
@@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains No, it's a valid point, just because you choose to ignore world events that might happen to impact your hobby that's your choice...I choose not to help criminal scum in any way possible.
@@zaklex3165 go away
@@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains Lucky for you, this isn't your channel.
@@zaklex3165 are you making threats now? So freedom for Ukrainians but no one else? Gotcha... BTW what cause will you pin your sanctimony on when this is no longer fashionable and providing you with Virtue Signalling points? Just go away.
But copper oxides are black or green. What you are talking about appears to be iron oxide (rust) as iron is a component of the nickel silver alloy.
Not always true. Copper has different valencies, and can form different oxides with the copper oxide seen being brown.
Looks nervously at the pile of old model power Yugoslavian and us made atlas brass track.
Too bad i laid many metres of hand spaced peco track outside last year:-) do you know if the sleeper plastic is uv resistant?
The sleeper base is UV resistant.
As a US, 3-rail, o-gauge modeler, I have no clue what Code 100 & 75 mean or R-1 curves. Can you educate me on these terms?
It is the rail height. Code 75 is 75 thousandths of an inch, and code 100 is 100 thou. HO US track is normally code 83.
Code 75 is closer to scale than code 100
@@JenniferEKirk Thank you!!
Anyone want my 2 full unopened boxes 50mts of SL-100 Peco track.. Looks like i will need this new stuff from DCC Connies for Bletchton High Level garden railway. Sod cleaning that all the while..!!!!
How much? Love a bargain me 😂
you forgot to mention possible cost of these rails
They are exactly the same price as the Peco equivalents.
I wonder whether this track is being over-hyped regarding the claim to never require cleaning? I understand that there won't be much oxidisation but what about all of the other crud deposited on the rails, such as when using rolling stock with plastic wheels, or oil from locomotives?
Hi TK - This track will need cleaning far less often than standard nickel silver trackwork - of course you will still have environmental dirt...
Another fantastic vid Jen. I've just moved house. I had just started a small DCC layout b4.
I'm hoping to grow it again. Just purchased a Z21 Controller system. Not sure if u have used it. Could u recommend a point control system that works with it. All advice welcome. I'm looking at Bullhead points and track, just ordered 1 crossover point from peco to try it....Especially that DCC concepts track, looks amazing. Thank you.
HI the track looks great as iam building a new layout at the old age of 70 so why not buy some well contacted Rails of Sheffield to find out if they sold in smaller quantities of Lenghts as you have to buy 25
NO you can not do
Contacted DCC there again No ,not by mail order only if you turn up to there Head office at Settle in Yorkshire
Iam in the midlands miles away and need around 35 lths
Am i missing some think ? if this is the way i dont think they will sell much and at the current time money is getting
Tight It would be nice to buy 1 or 2 lengths to look at first
PHIL G
Nice product do they also provide the rail in separate lengths of rail for those of us who hand lay and builds our own custom turnouts and crossings and does it take solder well? The higher the silver content the higher the heat needed io get a good flow. Also do they plan to offer larger codes for us O scalers?
What silver?
Jenny demonstrates how easy it is to solder to this track at 13:56 in the video. It looks very easy to solder on to.
The soldering demo is in the video. It solders very easily.
DCCc do sell individual track components for making your own track. These include kits for points, slips etc.
You saw her solder it, twice.
Oh Dear, I've already ordered some, because DCC Concepts stated that the sleepers are UK prototypical, so therefore ought to closely match the Bullhead track sleepering, but your video shows that's not the case. I needed some flat bottom track to lay on an up line alongside a down line laid with bullhead track, this was typical in the 1950's and 60's. What a waste of money!
Hi Eve - I've got your email - sorry I haven't responded yet. The flat bottomed track has always been promoted as having slightly longer and wider sleepers, spaced slightly further apart than other brands (to make it more acceptable at OO), but it still has to be visually compatible with established point work or it would look odd. We've never said that the flat bottomed track is prototypically scaled for OO. The Bullhead track is accurate for OO, with sleepers spaced much further apart.
@@richardbrighton7737 Richard, if it wasn't DCC Concepts that said it maybe it was one of your dealers that send out e-mail notices, I do know that I received an e-mail stating that the track was 00 with appropriate sleeper spacing.
Anyway how about replying to my e-mail? But more importantly, how about some prototypical 00 flat bottom track with wooden sleepers??? NO-one makes it, lots want it, so how about it?
How does the legacy bullhead compare to the Peco bullhead?
Hi Jennifer, can we get this track with concrete sleepers?
I am not aware of any plans for concrete sleepered versions
Not yet, but we are looking into it :-)
^RB @DCCconcepts
@@flipvideodemo I watched this new product with interest when you first started selling it but haven't seen any hint that N scale was going to have the same opportunity. Is it in the "too hard basket" or just the "not yet basket"?
@@ilox11 it's in the "maybe" basket! :-)
You might feed back to DCC Concepts for their instructions that the possessive form of "its" doesn't take an apostrophe - you only do that if it's a contraction of "it is". I'm always unimpressed by printed instructions with grammatical errors, for which there is no excuse.
Hmm! OK, rip it all up and start again with the new track! :-) Do DCC also make - or intent to make - spare sleeper sections for filling in the gaps at joints?
They sell individual sleepers and rail chairs as part of their track making range.
@@JenniferEKirk - Thanks.
Hi Jenny ,i bought some new code 100 rail joiners from dcc concepts when they first came out and found they are far too loose when applied to track .Have you tried applying them to your code 100 track yet ?
If you find these are too loose, please let us know... ...you can either give them a little squeeze with some pliers or return them to us for an exchange :-)
^RB @DCCconcepts
@@flipvideodemo Thanks Richard ,will be in contact .
One thing not mentioned in the video is the lack of moulded keys on the outside of the chairs, so not truly prototypical.
Now if only they did this in P4.
Amazing feat achieving this quality of track and understandably it's going to be very expensive to produce and thus sell, but to anybody who has limited funds to spend on their hobby, it's simply not an option unfortunately.
Do that between the ties.
It's stainless steel,not nickel silver. It has at least 74% iron. The rest nickel/Chrome. The track is top shelf. Soldering needs to be hot, plastic not good.
With electronics a technique is to attach a pair of locking tweezers or spring clip between the soldering and the heat sensitive item - it acts as a heat sink - the same thing would have worked for the situation in the video at 14:30
@@david_pilling The same as nickel silver track. Do you have an example. I've not worked with stainless steel track!
It is Nickel Silver, cutlery grade NOT stainless steel. I was very clear about this in the video
@@JenniferEKirk I'll give you that. All the advertising DCCconconpts is putting out would agree. Old advertising would disagree. Go subbase western Australia.
Our older bullhead track was stainless steel. This new range of products are nickel silver. Hope this helps, Miles :-)
^RB @DCCconcepts
Too late, all my track is laid!
Not really a proper comparison with Peco Bullhead Code 75, or C&L. Uncritical praise is seldom convincing.
I'm disappointed that you did not investigate a bit more.
What? She left the track out in all weathers for a month. What more do you want?
@@GameHammerCG fucking ban me. You dirty Little imp.
@@GameHammerCG How about a direct comparison, with the Peco/Hornby track left out outside in the same place for the same time?
Doesn’t Jenny work for DCC Concepts? Hardly an unbiased review if she does.
No I do not
@@JenniferEKirk Sorry Jenny, I’m sure I remember you saying you were going to work for them.
Must of been posts like this on the Dcc Concepts Forum that confused me!!
@@JenniferEKirk posts
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Those of you familiar with the showroom in Settle will have seen the really impressive model of Ribblehead viaduct. Today in a rare quiet moment I posed a very fine kit built Standard class 4 on it.
Don't tell the Boss as it's his loco!
@@geoffcostin3538 I left DCCc last August. I am very aware of where I work
We miss you, Jenny!!!
I truly like your work. But too many woke people on your channel.
Just caught this, somewhat late. How do you deal with the fact that the sleeper profiles (if that’s the correct term) are thinner than the compatible Peco bullhead points? Won’t the straights all need building up with plasticard or similar? Also at @flipvideodemo
Hi Jennifer. To my rubbish eyes this track looks very similar in appearance to Peco standard code 75? I use Peco Bullhead which to me looks more realistic to model steam era. I maybe wrong of course 🫢
The Code 75 and Code 100 flatbottom track is 100% compatible with other brands. Our Bullhead track is different and not at all like the 75 and 100 variants. :)