I hated westerns until Leone came along and knocked the competition sideways. And Morricone's score... man what a partnership in art. Westerns after that were never the same... everything Clint did with westerns was influenced by Leone. Interesting Clint once wrote to Wayne to ask him to collaborat on a western film. Wayne wrote back a very unpleasant letter to Clint dismissing the westerns Clint had done.
the clothes, the sets, the dialogues, the way of framing during the shooting, the way of acting, even the sweaty skin of the characters. the Italian western gives that sense of incredible realism that previous westerns never even came close to. the movies were boring, sets that gave the feeling that it was all fake, perfect clothes spotless as soon as they came out of the laundry, women with perfect hair freshly done by the hairdresser, dialogues and ways of doing that seemed a parody of extreme manhood. not to mention Morricone's magnificent soundtracks. John Wayne thought he was so smart and full of himself but he was torn apart by the genius of Leone.
i hated westerns until... for some reason, last week i decided to start watching them. ran out of things to watch i guess. lmao. now im hooked. wha happun?
@@Duketributechannel I'm from manipur, India. No one knows John wayne here since the days of my father till now. But everyone knows Clint Eastwood since the days of my father
The Great Silence is Corbucci's masterpiece. Morricone wrote an absolutely haunting score for this film. The main titles music still stucked in my head after all these years. I feel cold when I think about it...
@@SirBlackReeds ...In the end all spaghetti westerns can be called "revisionist". They undermine and subvert the canons of the classic western, demonstrating that the "epic of the frontier" actually had nothing epic or noble about it.
The great Silence is hugely interesting. They did film an alternate ending in which Silence kicks ass and saves the day...a way safer bet. So the producer was aware that the intended ending was as dark as fuck and extremely risky. Yet they still went ahead a ran with the dark ending. Very brave.
Extremely brave, and amazing, I have seen the original ending, it’s almost cheesy, and undermines the whole meaning of the film, there is rumours but I can’t find any salient evidence that the film was also more violent at first and was made to be cut. But that could all be horseshit.
@@klaybuckingham5672 Just such a dark ending and I'm speculating here but I think it's been too much of a downer for an audience used to seeing the hero prevail. I know for sure if I was bankrolling this flick I'd have gone with the safe option. So again, hats off to them for pulling the rug on the audience.
No entanto Peckinpah foi influenciado pelos spaghetti de Leone. Ele próprio disse que Wild Bunch nunca seria feito daquela forma sem a referência dos spaghetti de S. Leone.
This move burnt a mark on my soul....I still consider Once upon a time in the west number 1 movie but there is another story in my life behid it. Childhood and people you meet when being a child makes future in one's life.
And then there are the German versions with great voice acting, often even better than the originals and with ridiculous titles. For example, the German title for "Massacre Time/The Brute and the Beast" is "Django: Sein Gesangbuch war der Colt" which translates to "Django: The Colt Was His Hymnbook". Yes, they called almost every Franco Nero character "Django" to increase sales, I guess.
You left out one thing with Silence. The reason he is a better gunslinger isn't due to skill. Its because he welds a semi auto Mauser pistol. He's a subversive hero who is faster than others with single actions because he cheats.
I'm italian and the spaghetti western definition ain't offensive at all, my father and all his friends called them sw with no problem, I also talked with an actor that worked in a lot of spaghetti western and didn't have any problem with the genre name.
the clothes, the sets, the dialogues, the way of framing during the shooting, the way of acting, even the sweaty skin of the characters. the Italian western gives that sense of incredible realism that previous westerns never even came close to. the movies were boring, sets that gave the feeling that it was all fake, perfect clothes spotless as soon as they came out of the laundry, women with perfect hair freshly done by the hairdresser, dialogues and ways of doing that seemed a parody of extreme manhood. not to mention Morricone's magnificent soundtracks. John Wayne thought he was so smart and full of himself but he was torn apart by the genius of Leone.
This is great, I’ve been wanting to do a retrospective on some of my favorite spaghetti westerns, and want to touch on the ways they differ from American western. But I realized I’ve never seen an American “cowboy” western movies, aside from Django(which doesn’t count). So Thanks for the wonderful insight.
I still think Italian western are mostly silly, cheezy, and one track in storytelling, south of the border settings, etc. (and with sometimes quirky, primitive language dubbing). Sound effects are terrible, notably, with the same tin-like gunshot efx being recognizable, and repeated, in multiple films. They never measured up to USA classics like "The Oxbow Incident", " High Noon", "Shane", "The Big Country", to name just a few. Thus, Italian flash and style does not translate into substance.
I hated westerns until Leone came along and knocked the competition sideways. And Morricone's score... man what a partnership in art. Westerns after that were never the same... everything Clint did with westerns was influenced by Leone. Interesting Clint once wrote to Wayne to ask him to collaborat on a western film. Wayne wrote back a very unpleasant letter to Clint dismissing the westerns Clint had done.
the clothes, the sets, the dialogues, the way of framing during the shooting, the way of acting, even the sweaty skin of the characters. the Italian western gives that sense of incredible realism that previous westerns never even came close to. the movies were boring, sets that gave the feeling that it was all fake, perfect clothes spotless as soon as they came out of the laundry, women with perfect hair freshly done by the hairdresser, dialogues and ways of doing that seemed a parody of extreme manhood. not to mention Morricone's magnificent soundtracks. John Wayne thought he was so smart and full of himself but he was torn apart by the genius of Leone.
i hated westerns until... for some reason, last week i decided to start watching them. ran out of things to watch i guess. lmao. now im hooked. wha happun?
John Wayne is famous only in USA. Clint is famous the world over
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@@Duketributechannel I'm from manipur, India. No one knows John wayne here since the days of my father till now. But everyone knows Clint Eastwood since the days of my father
The Great Silence is Corbucci's masterpiece. Morricone wrote an absolutely haunting score for this film. The main titles music still stucked in my head after all these years. I feel cold when I think about it...
It may interest you to know that The Great Silence is considered a revisionist Spaghetti Western. It also counts as a Snow Western.
Finally, the great silence
I agree and imo it's much better than Django and on the same level as Leone's movies.
@@SirBlackReeds ...In the end all spaghetti westerns can be called "revisionist". They undermine and subvert the canons of the classic western, demonstrating that the "epic of the frontier" actually had nothing epic or noble about it.
The great Silence is hugely interesting. They did film an alternate ending in which Silence kicks ass and saves the day...a way safer bet. So the producer was aware that the intended ending was as dark as fuck and extremely risky. Yet they still went ahead a ran with the dark ending. Very brave.
Extremely brave, and amazing, I have seen the original ending, it’s almost cheesy, and undermines the whole meaning of the film, there is rumours but I can’t find any salient evidence that the film was also more violent at first and was made to be cut. But that could all be horseshit.
@@klaybuckingham5672 Just such a dark ending and I'm speculating here but I think it's been too much of a downer for an audience used to seeing the hero prevail. I know for sure if I was bankrolling this flick I'd have gone with the safe option. So again, hats off to them for pulling the rug on the audience.
Very good essay. Have only seen about half of the films you talked about but I'm interested in checking out the rest now.
How is this not popular?
Man I hope we get a good 4k remaster of the great silence soon
i have just 13 year but when i are 6 year old kid i watch for a few dolards more and the good, the bad and the ugle this movies are just awesome
This is a great video essay. Thanks you for this good history piece
This is the third commentary on this subject that I have seen. They are all good. However, my favorite is Sam Peckinpah, especially "The Wild Bunch".
No entanto Peckinpah foi influenciado pelos spaghetti de Leone. Ele próprio disse que Wild Bunch nunca seria feito daquela forma sem a referência dos spaghetti de S. Leone.
This move burnt a mark on my soul....I still consider Once upon a time in the west number 1 movie but there is another story in my life behid it. Childhood and people you meet when being a child makes future in one's life.
The American Hollywood made the Cinema. The Italian Cinecittà remade the Western.
Great. I love the little personal snippet you include at the end.
🇮🇹QUANDO TRANTINO VEDEVA AL CINEMA I FILM DI LEONE ""SPAGHETTI WESTERN"".....TARANTINO""PORNO WESTERN""👍👍👍
And then there are the German versions with great voice acting, often even better than the originals and with ridiculous titles. For example, the German title for "Massacre Time/The Brute and the Beast" is "Django: Sein Gesangbuch war der Colt" which translates to "Django: The Colt Was His Hymnbook". Yes, they called almost every Franco Nero character "Django" to increase sales, I guess.
You left out one thing with Silence. The reason he is a better gunslinger isn't due to skill. Its because he welds a semi auto Mauser pistol. He's a subversive hero who is faster than others with single actions because he cheats.
lmao that ending, glad i watched through to the last second
Great job on this. Kudos.
They made entertaining Westerns
For us Italians, calling our films western spaghetti is an offense, but we also call: "Americanata" everything that is in bad taste without culture
I'm italian and the spaghetti western definition ain't offensive at all, my father and all his friends called them sw with no problem, I also talked with an actor that worked in a lot of spaghetti western and didn't have any problem with the genre name.
Ironic for you to be offended when you use a term that ridicules Americans.
We're not? its only you lol
Yeah Americans can be ridiculed by everyone forever but god forbid they do the same
Non facciamo i vittimisti di merda come va di moda oltreoceano
Thanks music
Yeah people forget you're supposed to make a film to have entertainment value. Remember? The political violence is nonsense.
I loved this
Like U.K. with American Rock & Roll Music.
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I find myself liking the villain more than the hero in great silence.
Great
Awesome vid!
Nothing about spaghetti westerns is realistic. But as usual, Italians put style over realism and practicality. I'm not complaining.
the clothes, the sets, the dialogues, the way of framing during the shooting, the way of acting, even the sweaty skin of the characters. the Italian western gives that sense of incredible realism that previous westerns never even came close to. the movies were boring, sets that gave the feeling that it was all fake, perfect clothes spotless as soon as they came out of the laundry, women with perfect hair freshly done by the hairdresser, dialogues and ways of doing that seemed a parody of extreme manhood. not to mention Morricone's magnificent soundtracks. John Wayne thought he was so smart and full of himself but he was torn apart by the genius of Leone.
Silence the way you described him reminds me of Mike hammer. Although his moral code although similar is one I can’t disagree with
10:22 - all according to the law...
Wow brother very informative I really had no idea love it 👍
American westerns are cartoons compared to Leone westerns
You are reviewing a film seldom seen, I don't even know it existed.👍
Darkest and most brutal? I think Ruggero Deodato would like a word with you.
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This is great, I’ve been wanting to do a retrospective on some of my favorite spaghetti westerns, and want to touch on the ways they differ from American western. But I realized I’ve never seen an American “cowboy” western movies, aside from Django(which doesn’t count). So Thanks for the wonderful insight.
I grew up with the idea that Western = Spaghetti Western. John Wayne looks boring to me while Clint was the definition of Badass.
Here goes rdr2
Burt Reynolds didn't "blow up like Clint," because... duh... Clint Eastwood.
Not even close. Sorry Mr. Reynolds.
Well I mean, he kinda is a super star in a different way, just not known any of his western movies ahahah
Excellent essay. Just one thing: capitalism is the only -ism which isn't an ideology.
Western - Marvel
Spaghetti Western - DC
lose the hip hop music. just speak to a metronome then edit it out
wu tang took their inspiration from old school kung fu movies, not Samauri
I said in the video “existing eastern Cinema of the time”
Having said that… I’m sure Rza also like Samaria films if you went and asked him
ua-cam.com/video/tj0r6tpQjSQ/v-deo.html new essay out now
Capitalism this😭capitalism that😭
Shit gets old
Movies criticizing capitalism often generate the most capital: ua-cam.com/video/A2GN_jM1DuI/v-deo.html
Agreed, I also think capitalism is getting old and annoying, we should do something about it
Thats Rigth the West Westerns became stale and bland
Gud ytbers dnt get views :(
I still think Italian western are mostly silly, cheezy, and one track in storytelling, south of the border settings, etc. (and with sometimes quirky, primitive language dubbing). Sound effects are terrible, notably, with the same tin-like gunshot efx being recognizable, and repeated, in multiple films. They never measured up to USA classics like "The Oxbow Incident", " High Noon", "Shane", "The Big Country", to name just a few. Thus, Italian flash and style does not translate into substance.