Well, if they WERE to destroy the Night Kingdom, they'd need a replacement, right? Huh, you know, I seem to recall how a certain sibling just gained the ability to weave new ley lines...........
*the nightwarden wars are NOT fought IN the Night kingdom. Kinich says he went there "once", when he died and hoe it was a uniqe experience. Mualani and the rest had clearly never been there before by contrast, because the idea of going there especially "in person" was a risky and new concept to her. And they all literally just won, or have been confirmed to have won the pillgramage in the past. Most obviously is there reaction to arriving, where they act like its all new to them and iansan literally says she has never seen it before. Plus it was a surprise to see what's going on there, and how it's all corrupted. It was only a theory that the night kingdom has abyssal corruption, until we went there and confirmed it. Also the way to get there and back takes a huge effort, so they clearly don't do it multiple times a year. (Also also, the flashback/vision of that one guys friend who died on his mission showed them in a relatively normal place, just with rifthounds and "flashback fog"/abyss corruption in the air. Not the crazy black stone/obsidian style terrain in the night kingdom. So they go and fight *somewhere* else. Mualani says "the abyss isn't a enemy with a concrete form. We are usually just dealing with the after effects of their scheming". And we see then attack the people of the springs in the real world so there is absolutely stuff to do / fight that they would need to select top teams for. Just not a trip into the night kingdom itself. ❤ Great video as always I loved it! But this point has been confused by literally evey sing person so far that I have seen talk about the new lore so far. 😅
"the way to get there and back takes a huge effort" ... they could just go into the lava cave and jump against that specific lava stream and fall down into the night kingdom like i did ..really no effort at all
@@sheevismycity4789 o that makes a lot of sense, more than what i have gathered. but also like i feel like they could have clarified that better in the AQ?? glad you still enjoy my videos and i appreciate the corrections!! i’ll try to figure out how to uhh include this in the corrections and addendums pin lol
@@roozeveltfox No problem!! Happy to contribute to my favorite lore channel. I can't wait to hear your other thoughts in future videos, especially that bit about the shape of time. I immediately thought of you when she said that.
@@schopenhauer5427 I didn't mention it in this video but there are Narzissenkreuz notes alluding to them trying to use the Sacred Flame for Rene's "resurrection." but also in general they have a lot of stuff about descenders and alchemy and Khaenri'ah etc
@@schopenhauer5427 bro literally went and and had a chat with primo god lol i mean his info is stil relevant so if he was a real character( which i WANT ) he can be like dottore or dottore can be like him dont forget he is doing the same shit rene is doing also where tf is doc? gotta meet him
I might be wrong but the way I understood it is that the Ode of Resurrection isn’t actually broken. The abyss just kidnapped Kachina while pretending to have killed her, and since she isn't dead, she can't be revived. The point of this wasn't to break the Ode, it was just to plant the seeds of doubt on the people of Natlan, so that they stop producing contending fire
hmm from what i think sinner visionary might be involved why? bro has seen future past and present so hmm it could be true also this mauvika saying past present future existing in same time makes me think that smthin is defintely wrong with teyvat
Entirely possible! They did say they were holding Kachina hostage... hmm. I just based my assumptions on what Kachina said from the NK. If I had to guess we have a deliberately confusing narrative presented here!
My interpretation is that the wayobs corruption prevented it from speaking beyond the night kingdom, specifically to the pyro archon, so when the ode was preformed the wayob couldn't relay the location of kachina to then in order to pull kachina out of the night kingdom (in essence the ode was broken in the same kind of way as though the entire team died because the name (target) couldn't be located. In the case of a team wipe the inconsistency of time likely guarantees their Erasure combined with the odes requirement of victory so instead if targeting the condition of victory they learnt to target one individual and prevent them from being targeted by the ode by distrupution of the wayobs consciousness in essence defeating the ode not by enforcing a wipe them all out mentality but a we only need to eliminate one and prevent the wayob from acting as a beacon for their Resurrection, subverting the ode in essence through removing the relay between reality and the night Kingdom
Fontaine taught us how fate isn't exactly, strictly, procedural; Natlan will taught us how fate isn't irrepairable as long as you remember who you are (ancient name, hence why if you lost it you 'lost all the grip and lost in the river of singularity'). All depends on the higher power subject (So far, Neuvillette and Traveler on the success side, leaving Remus, Deshret, and Rene (as Narsizzenkreuz) on the failed counterpart).
fr and i think snezhnaya will prbly tell us why you shouldnt mess with world order? and why they should have stayed silent even if they had known what is true or not?
@@starlight14673 I think it's plausible to consider that, by then the Tsaritsa will have all the gnosis thus had the third descender, even if it could be incomplete, on her hand. To have such power that can challenge fate is a challenge itself, what world do they want to mold with it? And how other party will feel about it? I think we gonna need another dragon from Natlan, at least the conscious one from the start, unless.. (looking at paimon who keeps muttering she will be as big as three times the mountain in Natlan quests 👀)
Here’s an alternative idea as to why the traveler can’t resonate w pyro :) I think the reason traveler can’t resonate is some sort of elemental energy shortage, mainly because Mavuika said at the end of act II that elemental energy has always been one of their primary and most effective methods in fighting against the abyss, so what if elemental energy is one of the sources of fuel for the sacred flame ( alongside contending fire I guess ? ) and so all the elemental energy available is used to keep the sacred flame burning so there’s simply not enough left for the traveler to tap into through the statue ? Alternatively it could be simply because Natlan doesn’t have proper leylines, since the statues should be in theory connected to major leyline areas, the traveler can usually access elemental energy through them because elemental energy flows through the leylines, but since the statues in natlan aren’t really connected to leylines that probably means that the problem is that the pyro energy is simply out of reach, basically instead of energy properly flowing in “blood vessels” it’s just flowing freely everywhere in a chaotic manner that the traveler has a hard time locating and resonating with enough pyro energy for their needs
Yes! I’ve always been skeptical of the idea that traveler gets their power directly from the archons. I think it’s way more likely it is from the leylines themselves, which are linked indirectly to the dragons. In this case the wayob would have to give them the power, possibly along with a sacred name.
@@roozeveltfox in one of the artifact, the bloodstained knight died in the abyss, so it could be that Capitano got revived by Sacred Flame or something similar. Since bloodstained knight associates with the Abyss, it’s only natural he has connection with Natlan as well
Bloodstained knight is from monstadt right? But the fighting style of capitano resembles kaeya which indicates he is khaenrian. Maybe he is the blood stained knight idk
@@roozeveltfox well, the Bloodstained Knight was described as overly righteous. Capitano opens with "Since the oath made five centuries ago remains unfulfilled, what use is the Gnosis in your hands?" possibly not even talking to the Mavuika as the Archon of Pyro, but to her as the Archon from 500 years ago. In his eyes, she failed to keep her promise therefore it's time for him to step in.
You miss one important key point in the upcoming story and that is the Traveller will have its own Ancient Name and one of the six heroes will forge it which is Xilonen. By having the Traveller's Ancient Name embedded in the Wayob he and the Pyro Archon will have their connection materialize thus resulting to Traveller now can resonate to the Pyro statue and can be revive by Mavuika when they fight the Night Kingdom plus the Traveller can now compete in the Pilgrimage.
Ancient names aren't the part that makes someone revivable, we saw NPCs go and get revived The ancient names just carry knowledge. They're stated in the beginning of the quest to NOT be sources of power at all If the name were to be needed, the entire first half of the competition would be basically useless, since most people fighting are non-name-bearers
@@dotthedot9080 incorrect, you do need an ancient name to be revived. The reason why NPCs participate in the Pilgrimage (first stage) is to produce contending fire. The second stage does have Vision bearers and AN bearers, you can take note of it because the NPC names are repeated throughout the story. I don't know where you got the "NPC being revived" part, but if you mean the part where they were trying to find Kachina's AN, then it should be known that the NPC was also looking for his friend's AN
Yea there’s a line in the AQ that I think Kachina says about how if a someone without an ancient name wins in the finals, they just return home as a champion instead of going to fight because only ancient name bearers can be revived after the Night Warden Wars
14:55 Did you also notice that everyone's energy is flowing INTO the stone, while our MC's energy has the reverse flow? We are SUCKING out the abyss out of the obelisk/stone.
Someone on the lore subreddit suggested that Capitano might be Kuntur, who was "unloved by the sun". He also has connections to the Masters of the Night-Wind.
If we're going to speculate based on the Ignition trailer weeks ago, the ones who were shown in black and white, the 6 chosen heores should be: 1. Mualani (Hydro from the People of the Springs) 2. Kinich (Dendro from the Scions of the Canopy) 3. Xilonen (Geo from the Children of Echoes) 4. Iansan (Electro from the Collective of Plenty) 5. Chasca (Anemo from the Flower-Feather Clan) 6. Citlali (Cryo from the Masters of the Night Wind)
PLEASE I need someone else to be as obsessed with the Night Kingdom divine nail as I am. I had to pause the Archon quest so I could run around trying to get a better look at it. Also I’m fascinated by the implications of it being there specifically. Can Celestial literally throw a nail into the liminal space between life and death? Was the Night Kingdom a real location when it got hit with the nail and THEN it became a liminal space? Is the Night Kingdom not a space out of space at all and it’s actually a real place somewhere under Natlan?
trust, I am a long-time obsessor of the Nails in general, so my brain cogs are turnin'...and all the points you bring up are super interesting questions!!
Considering the people of Natlan need permission from the Wayob to even leave Natlan (which is incredibly hard to do for various reasons), I'm not as convince anymore that he is from Natlan. Not that it's impossible mind you, but it's not surprising that people are not convince yet. Since if he is from Natlan, we're missing key information on how he was able to leave Natlan to begin with. Also, if feels like any goes now in regards to the kinds of people that can be part of the Harbingers considering we have someone literally from the Crimson Moon Dynasty among their ranks. So there's a myriad of possibilities on who Capitano could be.
i think he is either bloodstained knight or he is the xbalanque"s bro in mayan culture they did say that also he is depicted to be headless?? and my man doesnt have a head just an aura?? or he could human dragon hybrid from the new book
@@TheGeekyRedMage He's always seems like the kind of guy who is so strong that even if he left Natlan, it wouldn't affect him so much. So idk, man, he could be a special case.
@@starlight14673 for everyone else in here: I remind you that xbalanque was THE FIRST PYRO ARCHON. Sadly, bro is NOT the dragon sovereign (as far as we know). That is specifically stated in the world quests of natlan
Ok but I noticed that wind is mentioned too much in Natlan. One example: The red flowers' petals are described as 'like floating wings getting caressed by the wind'. I thiiiink Venti has a hand ir smth..
fr natlan and venti always goes hand in hand smthn is fishy venti is involved in this somehow idk how? also there arent seelies in natlan their are actually those purple dancing seelies which i find strange?
Instead of Venti it might be Istaroth as well. There was too much focus on how time is structured in the quest as well, who else is connected with Wind and Time more than Venti?
Yes it is in the world quest can't wait for you to do them :) Xbalanque is one of the most important characters in Genshin The quest is called In Footsteps of the Chosen of Dragons
@@EmergencyCringe There is also a quest were Dottore appears so we are most certainly fighting him in Natlan he goes under a different name but he specifically says that "he is not from there"
@@alexanderericson8628 the Scions of Canopy Tribe Quest? If it's another quest, don't read what's next, it's SPOILERS (Not leaks) Sanka's not Dottore, that's Enjou. Besides looking the same as Enjou and having the same VA, there's more significant proof of it: completion of the Enkanomiya Quest is recommended before doing the Quest, you can verify for yourself in the Tribe Quest menu. If it's a different quest, could you tell me which one? I'm interested
Ok, so this is some really out there crack theory but what if the Pyro from the Statue of Seven was stolen? Stealing fire seems to be a major theme in Natlan, which doesn't really surprise me since Mavuika is supposed to be based on the Māori goddess Mahuika (they even called her little sister Hine - Mahuika had a sister called Hine-nui-te-pō, whi was the goddess of death). The main story with Mahuika involved her getting tricked into giving up all her flames. It's complete crack but I think the Traveller's Pyro abilities were stolen. And I think maybe it might have something to do with our little Saurian? And by extension, Dragons? Because the fire was originally stolen from the Pyro Sovereign. But yeah, it's complete crack 😅 And I'm just enjoying seeing Māori legends in Genshin, because I'm from New Zealand. The story of Mahuika and Māui's many tricks are stories I grew up with.
Adding a bit to the crack-cooking. What if the sacred flame isn't KEEPING THE ABYSS AT BAY, so much as feeding it? In that case, Mavuika would be getting tricked into feeding it with her own flames, and Capilano could have insight on that, wich is why he wishes to overrule her power?
@@dotthedot9080adding a bit more crack to the theory what if most of the contending fire is being stored to resurrect xbalanque cause in the drip marketing they call him one entombed with the primal fire so may not have a physical form yet
Orogon didn't save Capitano , capitano was ready to fight, Orogon heard something and decided to intervine is more likely that he saved the archon indirectly, remember he heard something that capitano and looks like others can't hear, my theory is that he can heard the Waybob and by extension know somethings about the future abd thats why he intervine.
Thing is Capitano being willing to still fight doesn’t mean he would win. He was hurt and having powers comparable to gods doesn’t mean he would win in this specific fight. I only say this because Capitano refuses to fight Mavuika only after she’s spent so much of her power saving us and the other heroes. She’s much weaker than when she was in the fight so we can’t take that statement as a factor of who would win if it continued
I heard Mauvika talk about the shape of time and immediately thought about your video on time trekker and block time so I’m super excited about that one
Theory: What if in the final act, the traveler will have to combine his ABYSSAL CLEANSING ability with his FIRE ELEMENTAL POWERS. Since neither one can cleanse the abyss.
i think the idea of capitano dying has some merit to it, actually. it's the same way Ajax 'died.' its not a death in the literal, physical sense; its an ego death- a death of oneself. Ajax 'died' when he entered the abyss, and Tartaglia was 'born' when he entered the fatui. I think its definitely plausible Capitano has something similar going on :))
thank u for supporting my delulu but also i'm a huge fan of this fatui having "deaths" before becoming the fatui. maybe also like how arlecchino let the name Peruere die?? it feels like a theme. a certain 'loss' of who they used to be to become the 'actors' of the commedia (??? if that makes sense)
@@roozeveltfox i totally agree, actually !! so far, all the fatui harbingers we know have experienced this same type of 'death' before. the biggest one being wanderer, who experienced MANY. from kunikuzushi, to scaramouche, then to wanderer. Peruere to Arlechinno, orphan to father. (she also really helps this theory in regards to her book, Perrenherri.) Zandik to Dottore, simple scholar researching illnesses and 'helping' said ill, to the Doctor. And then of course, Ajax. Normal boy, to killing machine. Ajax to Tartaglia. though i think this theory / these parallels make a lot of since when it comes to the fatui, and more precisely, The Tsaritsa's plan. Yknow, the whole 'burn away the old world, and welcome in a new age'? Make's lots of sense when you look at it from that perspective!!
i theorized that the reason we can't resonate is because Mavuika isn't recognized by Celestia as the official archon of Natlan. I mean she's a human, and I would assume if Celestia were to appoint someone as the new archon they would have to ascend first. Focalors was once an Oceanid, but she ended up becoming a god. i also just find it really weird if this were the case because the original archon was a man, but the statue is of a woman....Mavuika. The statues have always been built based on the appearance of the first archon right?
In sumeru AQ it was clarified that the statues that we have right now is based on the archons from 500 years ago Hence why the dendro statues is Rukkadevata in her small form since she shrank right before she created Nahida Another evidence of this is that the Natlan archon quest already specifies that the first pyro archon was male (natlan world quests also confirms such) Mavuika became the pyro archon 500 years ago and she revived herself recently hence why the statue is in her image There's definitely more to Mavuika since the trailer shows her as a Phoenix yet she claims to be originally human so I think she's keeping some important information from us (unless the Phoenix form is something she relies on the gnosis for)
no. statues are based on Archons SPECiFiCALLY 500 years ago if there was any doubt about who the statue represents after Sumeru, it was cleared up in Fontaine when we saw that Egeria doesn't look like Focalors and one of the NPCs mentioning that the statue was based on Furina(her divine form specifically, which is Focalors) since all the Archons that were around from 500 years ago were also Archons today in previous nations we assumed statue changed form when new Archon arrived but Kachina said that the statue never changed despite countless Pyro Archons coming afte Mavuika's first life 500 years ago this implies that statues are going to stay as Archons who were around after the cataclysm 500 years ago(So venti and Zhongli since they were still Archons after the cataclysm, Ei, Nahida,Focalors, Mavuika,Tsaritsa)
@@Moon1tanbut why would celestia create the statues 500 years ago when their was a cataclysm going on? What’s the true purpose of the statues of the seven ?
No mention of the pyro tribe from the manga, so that's interesting. And isn't it weird that normal people in Natlan just know about the dragons being a civilization before humans? Like I thought Celestia released some propaganda erasing them from existence. Also, where are the blue seelies in Natlan? I don't think I've seen any.
There are no Seelies other than the one in the Night Kingdom that guides the group when they need to get their butts out of there. The answer to what happened to them is in the description of, I think it was a weapon? If you don't want that spoiled and would prefer to find it for yourself don't read my next part. The description reads that the Dragons ate the 'Heavenly envoys', which are the Seelie.
Re: the ancient dragon civilization, I just assumed like, even if people traveled to natlan, they might not necessarily ask, because it may not be a normal topic to bring up? I kinda thought it was like how Australians assume the US/the world knows about the Nutbush dance, but the US doesn't. Could be Celestia tho.
Capitano is either a hero or Xbalanque himself just because in the namecard where ge appears, he's also wearing a headpiece that covers his face and like Natlan enemies that wear headpieces resembling their saurian companions his current dead looking mask might represent his companion, that I think could be the Pyro dragon lord, but that last part might be just crack 😂
Ok but I'm still stuck at the night warden wars??? Like it's not a rotating cast of warriors it's a every few months we pop in for a few days thing. How does that even work? It would make sense if they were like a scheduled maintenance crew going in to clear up some abyssness but it's completely unclear. And they're not like regularly exterminating all the monsters like an infestation bc they're all still there when we go get kachina. So like what does winning it even mean? Are they going down to play ball with rifthounds and they're got some unbiased referee? Like PLEASE correct me if I accidentally skipped over a crucial line of dialogue but it seems so crazy that their continuous war with the abyss for centuries is a team of 5 dicking around for a couple days every so often
I don't think they go to the Night Kingdom. Remember that it is a liminal space and not a physical place. The abyss is probably somewhere else on the surface. Remember the flashback from Mallko showed him in his last moments dying by Rifthounds somewhere is a deserted place on the surface. And I think winning simply means clearing a good amount of corruption and returning alive. Victory only entails one person returning alive cuz that's the condition for resurrection.
I am currently brainrotting about how Mavuika used weapons and artifacts of bygone heroes as power to break into the Night Kingdom And how every weapon in the game that has a special effect has a story to it, 3* onwards...and all (?) 4* and 5* weapons are historical artefacts or weapons used by heroes. Plus the artifact sets....Crimson Witch set allows use to gain a buff like the 'crimson witch' Rosalyne Thundering Fury grants us a buff based on the Thunderbird/Kapatcir of Tsurumi etc We've _always_ used this. It just got included in the story.
Cubes once again proving to be the most suspicious shape in Genshin Impact. Staring at Zhongli and his associations with death in light of this and the mention of Ronova in AQ
I’m guessing the Traveler needs to touch the flame to gain the power. Either that or they’ll grow new lay lines and then be able to resonate. But I’m leaning towards the flame personally
The moment Mavuika started her time monologue I immediately thought about you and the video about time xD Also I wonder if there will be an explanation of why the archon statue didn't changed in 500 years, it would have made more sense to me if they told something like "the statute changed a couple of years ago with the new archon" instead of the "is a 'coincidence' that the archon and the statue look a like" maybe is because Mavuika's soul remained within the fire so it was like she's dead but no and although there where other archons after her first time she was still technically The Archon maybe?
re: traveler cleansing abyss as annihilation reaction.. that power has always reminded me of daoist cultivation in xianxia. purifying tainted chi by drawing it into ur body and circulating it thru ur meridians ^^ p neat
id like to say something, in the comics of genshin, venti calls venessa part of "children of murata" which confused us and made us think that the archons name was Murata, and now when we got mavuika introtroduced to the picture many of us got us wondering "wait but wasnt her name murata? must be a previous pyro archon", BUT now with the natlan archon quest, we have the information that the six tribes of natlan are called "Children of-", and there are 2 tribes missing right now, probably the children of murata tribe is missing because they left natlan a long time ago, losing hope on Mavuika's plan
It could be that the soul of the Archon has to die or smth for the Statue of Seven to change. Technically if we go by the quest in Natlan you can be resurrected from the sacred fire as long as your ancient name is alive as the canopy member still believed he could save his friend as long as the ancient name was obtainable so she might have her own ancient name as well as her "inner flame" which i think is primordial flame based on the world quest according to which the rules of Natlan were created and why the lector goes on about how Mavuika didn't share it (maybe she didn't share it for 500 years) Anyways that's why i think the statue remained the same because it changed in every other instance apart from Focalor's situation. Also as a side note it was interesting how Paimon was also completely unaffected by Abyssal energy after coming back when everyone else was, as well as forbidden knowledge which comes from the Abyss not doing anything to her when we were travelling in the boat of consciousness to save Rukkhadevata It's also interesting that there is a celestial nail in the night kingdom but the abyss is still rampant there. Anyways are we going to talk about how memories are essentially giving the chosen characters a full on nightsoul blessing which in game basically gives you the power to fight for a longer period of time. Also congrats on landing the W for expecting that random but totally possible different times existing at the same plane which was the block theory. I don't want to spoil the story for WQ so i won't go into the specifics of why the leylines in Natlan are as they are but remeber to take pictures of every single mural you come accross in the WQ
@@roozeveltfox it seems that the Natlan's leylines (basically their big tree like every other region like the Windrise tree and Sacred Sackura) were burned by a black dragon which could either be Xiucoatl or Nibelung even tho the wiki says it's Xiucoatl after the sage who turned out to be a dragon betrayed the dragonkind and worked with the Pyro Archon to make Phlogiston available for humankind to use. Idk but somewhere in the text it also says the Pyro Archon was also revived but the text explicitly says it's a Pyro Archon which should be the position of a god after he's defeated every other god in his territory in battle but he was also a human according to Paimon? So maybe Celestia decided to make him the Pyro Archon after a human somehow killed the Pyro Sovereign(Xiucoatl) And Khaenriahns were also involved in this so just maybe one of the Khaenriahn soldiers is Capitano? This is kinda brainrot but his clothes look awfully similar to the knights, his back has the same purple hue as Dainsleif's boots and he has been around 500 years too so methinks he is Khaenriahn
No, it was stated in both Sumeru AND Fontaine that the statues of the seven were all built 500 years ago and look like the Archons from that time: Venti, Zhongli, Ei, Smol Rhukkadevata, Focalors, and now Mavuika.
@@roozeveltfoxunfortunately Sumeru gave us the lore that their statue was smol Rhukkadevata after she depleted her strength. And Fontaine is Focalors not Egeria as the statues were only created 500 years ago
@@Orion_TheyThem maybe I'm missing some dialogue so could you tell me where was it stated? I checked the wiki and previous reddit discussions but couldn't find it
i just wanted to correct one thing: the champion teams dont go to fight the abyss ON the night kingdom. they fight it on the real world, and if they were to die, they go to the night kingdom (the night kingdom works like a purgatory of some sorts). thats why kachina was on the night kingdom, and why it was so weird for people to go there
ABD illustrates made this video about natlan speculations a long while ago that tried to guess the identity of the pyro archon throu analysing pyro characters and establishing links between them, and what he came up with was shockingly accurate to some degree, and i think it explains why we couldn't resonate with pyro: basically to have a pyro vision, there needs to be a notion of "passing the torch" which is a theme that seem to be rooted in natlan's practices. It really felt that it made sense that we couldn't resonate with pyro, without that particular experience of having a torch being passed down to us. It could be something else like paimon said, some abyssal interference, or just due to the difference in ley line systems that we found on natlan and the contamination of the night realm- But I still want to contemplate our journey again and particularly our relationships with the archons and the vision distribution system patterns.
Mine are working I accidentally triggered em when I was seasoning my cast iron.😅 Awesome theory can't wait to see what you have to say on the little tepetlisaurus
A random comment about something I discovered when entering the nigth kingdom to fight the Local legends that are there. When you do the challenge of the black monoliths that are on the map and access that domain, if we use the camera to make a Zoon or a glich to be Out of bounds, the structure that is located in the heart of the nigth kingdom, has shape of a gigantic tower and the fire that surrounds it is white, similar to the energy given off by the Nail that floats in that place, which is why both structures could be linked and what we see in that particular area is the largest annihilation reaction of all so far.
as for the abyss learning mate an abyss Lector just said what happened an intelligent life form(former human turned herald/lector) wanted to see the world burn so he expedited the process in some places
The biggest question I have regarding Natlan's situation is particularly WHY Natlan's leylines are so weak and unstable compare to other nations. My initial thought is that Irmisul is position at a specific place that makes it so Natlan is particularly far away from Irmisul. But then I have to question why doesn't The Heavenly Principles extend the leylines to secure Natlan if it seems they are the ones that control it. Natlan's situation is just very interesting because for one reason or another, Celestia's influence seems to be "weaker" in Natlan (which probably explains why we can actually find ruins from the Sovereign Dragons' era, unlike in other nations it seems). I also want to talk about annihilation, Khvarena, The Abyss. Now, while it does seem like Genshin is part of the Honkaiverse, we don't really know if Genshin is meant to be connected to HI3rd and HSR (at least to a heavy extent). Regardless, I suspect that there are at least meant to be parallels between them, so I'm guessing "Khvarena" and The Abyss are meant to parallel The Imaginary and Quantum, at least in function. "Khvarena" (using this name as a placeholder) and The Abyss are two opposing forces in a symbiotic relationship (like a Samsara or Oroboros
For the Ley Lines being weak, I just finished the World Quest with our little Dragon buddy today and I wonder if what is depicted in that (without spoiling) might answer why the Ley Lines are weak.
@@nicolas._.2294 I found an item at some point that triggered Paimon saying to return to the man in the Children of Echo's who told us about our little buddy having the Flamelords Blessing; I think, THINK, I got the item from then area above Huiztli Hill on the map, the water area. Once you return to him where the man is, he's talking to Pacal, it will trigger the continuation of that quest.
My guess is that even after defeating the Abyss in the Night Kingdom it still wouldn't be able to function properly, since most parts of it were corroded and basically gone after cleansing. So that means, that they will have to rebuild it or create something entirely new to replace it. Something that functions as leylines and is independent from Irminsul - like the Sacred Sakura or the Loom of fate. That also lines up with Mavuika's words about forging their own fate, since their new system wouldn't be regulated by Celestia. Edit: I see this idea is not entirely new here, but I still think that they'd create something on their own without the help of our sibling, especially because the battle in Natlan is against them.
I just hope that Capitano is not Mavuika's dad or sister. Her dad not being there to see her off and the sister saying something along the lines of, "I will see you 500 years later, one way or another" makes me think there's more to their end than what was led on. I hope they're just red herrings. The sisters memories being there should mean she's passed though. Also, what about her current family? We've heard nothing about it. She was reborn and inherited the name right? Where are her current life's parents or siblings?
i personally think citlali is the night-wind hero, despite how boring it is, every hero from each tribe so far has had the same element as the tribe, and we know oloron is electro, while citlali is cryo, like the night-wind tribe
If the pilgrimage is yearly and kachina was there 5 times, she did probably start at the fist year she got her name. She looks small but she is probably supposed to be 13-15? Maybe even older. Some other small girls like Sayu dori and diona are all working already (ninja merchant and bartender) so they are all probably not below 14. If i remember correctly Kachina mentioned that she "can not use her age as an excuse to loosing anymore" so she was participating at a very young age and is now... well not that young. Damn i wish we had something akin to canon ages. Thanks to kachina having Participated in several pilgrimages a lot of people think they are not yearly. As soon as you get an ancient name from the wayob ya gotta participate, even if you are only like 10 years old. Tldr: Lets blame the wayob for any timeline bullshit and missunderstandings
Kachina is young, young enough that Pacal was protective toward her when meeting the Traveller, he calls Kachina young, and also didn't want her to go alone even though she bares an Ancient name. As opposed to Iansan who acts (and is treated) as though she is older than Kachina. Makes it pretty messed up in Natlan that as you said you have to compete if you have an ancient name regardless of age. I get they're fighting a war, but still. Dori, I think is supposed to be an adult, just a short one. I don't like her, so I don't know much about her. Sayu is at least a teenager, if I recall she is just short for her age and that the other Ninja here age are all taller than her. So, she (stupidly) thinks that if she sleeps a lot she will grow. While Diona is a child.. Makes you question the working age for Teyvat.
@@CiarlaArt exactly!! :D I did not add klee because she is another species and is much older than she looks but behaves even more like a child than kachina, but she is the "spark knight" and a member of the knights of favornius. She does get put in time out like a kid too. Children in teyvat do just have Jobs it seems. Or at least they get to participate in fights/blow up stuff. Teyvat really has its own rules. (about child labour) (If i remember correctly it was stated right at the beginning of the Natlan quest, when you meet kachina, that everyone with an ancient name has to participate, but i could also remember it wrong, gotta watch that scene again. And i think the scene about her participating for 5 times was the night before the contest, when everyone was sitting together for dinner. I hope they clarify that more somewhere, i have not read kachinas unlockable profile infos/character story yet)
In the A name forged in flames trailer the upcomming catlady says "is it that time of the year again?" Implaying that the tournament is every year. Unless the tournament that the trailer was about is not the same tournament as in the game??? 🤔
Your fanfiction about captitano is still way less half backed than mine. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how to make him Mavuika’s little sister 😂 firefly brain rot getting to me.
inherit the gamer tag Traveler your Ancient Name. Also Capitano's Ice is not the same as Tsaritsa and Signora's Delusion, it's more akin to cooled Phlogiston Block than Ice
The only thing I could think of all archon quest (and I THINK it came from an Ashikai theory) is that Capitano escaped the night kingdom without proper resurrection and needs control over the fire to cleanse himself
My theory is still that the Pyro sovereign got deleted like Ancient Names of the ones who fail. This is the reason we can't resonate with Pyro. Because Travelers ability to resonate with an element has nothing to do with either an Archon or a Gnosis, think Venti who had no idea how Traveler got Anemo and Focalors who deleted the existance of the Hydro Archon, yet Traveler can still resonate with Hydro. Also provides us with an explanation to who Mavuika is trying to resurrect.
I'm still in the process of trying to parse out Natlan lore and history but memory deletion would explain a few things so far i think (but again I'm not done sorting through it!!)
It was kinda hard to concentrate in the beginning,cause I was vibing with Children of the Echoes music 3:45 I feel that pain from Starrail,sometimes you just have to pray to RNG It's kinda interesting that they start to connect lore back to Mondstadt, maybe we will have a Mondstadt expansion in 5.x versions? Also,why the fork they didn't explain the thing about ley lines? Like, were they scorched by the Abyss or when the Primordial One was distributing ley lines he run out of them in Natlan? But I guess we will know more about it in later versions Still waiting for mentions of Mare Jivari and Venessa and her tribe in Natlan Great video as always,thank you!
@@roozeveltfox closest things mine have to words is this: Nails are dropped by Celestia presumably to wipe problem civilizations and whatnot off the map. Tsurumi island does challenge this, unless it was a holdout from the OG civilization back in primordial times that Celestia decided to nuke. Now they work by “creating large scale ley line disorders”. What does that really mean? Ley lines are manifestations of fate, and carry the memory (which I would say includes both past, present, and future) of the world. Does that mean that dropping a nail essentially “corrupts” the data in irminsul for that local area? Would be a great way to hide unwanted outside data, though a rather extreme tactic. If thats the reason though, then that would imply that Celestia doesn’t have a loom to alter the ley lines with, and this is their crude stand in. So why a nail in the night kingdom, and since when? What if the night kingdom is actually a by-product of the nail, say it was used to pin down and obscure the remnants of some ancient knowledge only the dragons possessed, considering we see so much of their civilization’s ruins down near it. Maybe in doing so, they accidentally warped things so badly that souls in the region could no longer pass on to the irminsul or whatever, and get trapped in this ley line disorder (much like on Tsurumi). But the people getting resurrected certainly aren’t just shades of their former selves, it seems to be the actual souls… so are we going to learn where the dead _actually_ go after death with this nation?
Ok let's see, despite not yet being able to resonate with Pyro the Traveler can do what Natlanians can do like using Phlogiston, being able to read Phlogiston engravings, and the Traveler is called the Chosen of Dragons. So if we put two and two together the Twins are from Teyvat especially somewhere in Natlan but their memories got changed then kicked out of Teyvat and now they think they're Outlanders.
@@bisayafascist5725 you do realize that if the Traveler was from Teyvat..... specifically Natlan they wouldn't be able to wield ALL the elements without a vision???? That just goes against all the lore in the game. Especially since we know Irminsul memories can be tampered with and Rhinedottir (one of the sinners who's in league with Vedrfolnir, who's the guy that lured our sibling to the abyss) makes regular trips into Irminsul and probably implanted our sibling into Irminsul and then left the end of their journey out??? Edit: a descender can be the chosen of dragons. In fact, I'd think they'd be the best candidate if the Sovereigns still hold a grudge against Celestia and the current regime of Archons. Which if Neuvillete is anything to go by.....they absolutely do.
@@Orion_TheyThem I've always had this lingering question in my mind, why does the Traveler able to resonate with the elements like it's second nature to them despite being outside of Teyvat? My crack theory is that maybe the Twins aren't outlanders but rather they are originally Teyvat Natives especially if the Twins are basically the very First Humans of Teyvat ala Adam and Eve and the Humans that comes after them that uses there blueprint are just nerfed as in no longer able to manipulate the elements freely.
@@bisayafascist5725 you do realize this still doesn't support your "they're Natlan natives" theory as they can wield ALL the elements. And don't need a physical focii. Which, in the history of Teyvat has only been able to be done by descenders or elemental beings. And even then it was only one element wielded by each elemental being such as slimes, foliar wayobs, and fungi. Have your crack theory but the way you phrased it in your first comment was very "this is correct and will be made true." Also SUPER condescending with the whole "if we put 2 and 2 together." You sound like a Real pleasant person. 😒 Edit: just noticed you have facist in your username which tells me all I need to know about you. Since you can't really block people on here, please don't comment any further. I will not be responding to any more of your comments. Have a fvçking life. ✌🏻
@@lol-ie1pv ua-cam.com/video/su9xF6l3d0c/v-deo.htmlsi=257ERpjQP5PjRh2F Not shown but we did hear him talk in 6:06 the person who says the rules are my legacy.
@@lol-ie1pv in the part of the AQ where Mavuika is reminiscing on the Memories you can hear the voice of the past that says "The rules are my legacy" and it's revealed that the First Pyro Archon established the rules that allowed Humans to achieve Archonhood.
Hey, crack theory thay i just got after reading the comment of the guy talking about Venti(haven't watched the whole video yet) In the manga, venti tells traveler about vannesa and her tribe and the traveler has the pyro powers from what it looks like. So venti 2nd story qeust coming soon? Also 2 qeustion that i hope some people will think about, how has Vanessa tribe leaved natlan safely? If they can then does thay mean Capitano might be one of them? 2nd where is Varka the grandmaster? And from what we know, he and 80% of the knights and Capitano himself have been in natlan for like years, wtf have they been doing all of this time? I don't think an expedition mission is a good enough excuse.
I didn't mention Vanessa here because i'm growing increasingly uncertain if they're trying to retcon the webcomic. but AruHiseki did make a post mentioning how people who left natlan had memory issues, and maybe that's why the tribe didn't remember the pyro archon... regardless I think there are enough ties (e.g.) with the Mare Jivari) to definitely gives us Venti SQ2!!
@roozeveltfox oh, I thought they didn't remember the pyro archon becs they left long ago, either before Vanessa was born or when she was a child, so her generation didn't have that knowledge. Well anyway, thank you very much!
but isn't it weird to ask "why does the current archon looks like the statue of the seven" don't all archons when they come to power get their own statue are you telling me that for the past 500 years she was the archon and all of the human archons during that time weren't archons and if that's the case then shouldn't it be more of a deal plus false information in regards to the archon status and if it's not the case how can a HUMAN from 500 years ago get a statue THAT SURVIVES FOR 500 YEARS while the other human archons don't it's not like the statue was replaced during those 2 moments of her reign since then they COULD NOT ask such a question, they weren't there 500 years ago
Could be because the statues were made before but just around the Cataclysm (like a year before the Cataclysm)? Could also be that reworking the statues is difficult as hell, plus you can literally become the archon if you just beat the current one (I'm pretty sure, unless I am missing something), so by that logic, someone could be an archon for like 10 minutes if someone beats them, so idk. Maybe Mavuika was the strongest of all pyro archons, so she gained the honor of being the face of the statue? (but later died of old age or smth, so there would be another mega duel for the next place of the pyro archon) A lot of possibilities, maybe it will get answered in later quests. Most of the suggestions I made can easily be debunked tho 😭
Hmmm I wonder if we are made out of same material as that heavenly nail to be soo good against abysss in purification and whatnot. Like what if we are somehow creation of heavenly principles? maybe our sibling was original traveler coming to Teyvat alone and got corrupted by abyss. So heavenly principles used all their power to make us and rewrite history such that we are siblings and always been. Maybe that is why our sibling is part of Teyvat proper and we aren't. Heavenly principles realized that only we can counter horrible things done by our corrupt sibling.
Note how Paimon isn't even trying to help nor did she once try to putrify or send "elemental energy" Does she know and cover that she is correct... If so couldn't Nahida read her mind, couldn't Zhongli recognize her fowl energy, and couldn't Hydro dragon sense her as well... Most importantly, how did she know the language and history of Tyvate when we just fished her at the start of the game!!!
Ok so like- do we as a traveler already have the power to resurrect people? we know how to make the holy fried egg, and regularly use it to bring people back from the dead. Who needs this sacred fire stuff anyway...
I think the Abyss is being guided by the sinners and/or the Abyss sibling. They are giving orders to the lectors/heralds/mages.... to do what they need to be done. That way they conserve their energy for the final fight. It probably also takes/uses the knowledge and memories of the people that is corrupts. Just like what is happening with the night kingdom memories being used against tribes in Natlan. With each new memory it gets "smarter" and can manipulate more people as it goes. This is probably wrong though, just my thoughts on it, so sorry.😅
The one of the final cutscenes really confuses me Spoiler ahead Specifically, I'm talking about Capitano (strange look into the camera and an equally strange accompanying phrase). A crazy thought came into my head, if this is perceived as 4th wall breaking... What if, we, as a player, end up as a separate entity in long future updates (not just some traveler's, paimon's or any other character's perspective view, but a truly separate person on higher dimension level). A more or less popular example of such idea - Watchers in Marvel Comic Universe (observing events without interfering, not visible to the naked eye) The game already has Witches that are invisible to the characters (only voice is heard + occasionally some small object nearby), now we can be added to this caste too... I don't know, maybe the scene was done with such "unic way", but I don't feel like he was addressing any physical entity. It can be Wayob, but again, the phrase sounds out of place (Wayob is everywhere and literally woven into Natlan's nature and elements)
if you go by the desaturated scene - yeah, I think it'd imply Chasca and Citlali (since there were size scenes - Kachina just happened to be with Mualani). That may certainly be the case, but I was speculating1) Citlali already seems super established with no need for further achievement to get the Anicent Name and also 2) just speculating about Ororon! so I may be wrong on that and this is correct!
Hei Roosevelt. I love your videos and theories. And I too share kaeya brainrot. As such I wS looking forward for your videos wondering if you noticed the similarities between kaeya and capitanos. Mainly their fighting style, the sword that capitanos uses looking similar to the harbinger of the dawn and his intro being similar to kaeyas.
aw thank you! I did see the similarities send to me with clips and such. It's so waaghh!! But I do now have some questions, especially after Titu's world quest...
@@roozeveltfox i haven't done the world quests yet as I'm still finishing the ones in Fontaine, but the more I look at the two of them the more I see similarities and I have a little theory. Also his hair is how I imagine Kaeya's hair would be loose, like not in a ponitail. But I listened Capitanos voice and then immediately went to listen to Kaeyas dads voice from the event and to me they sound almost the same except when spoken to kaeya sounds softer. And his uniform has the same color scheme as Dainsliefs, capitano even has some of the same blue as seen on Dainsliefs arm but on his hips. And we'll added the fatui emblem all over. But his uniform is a mix of kaeya and dainsleif to me but maybe I read too much into it. Anyway my theory is what if he is Anfortas. They possess grate strength, as seen in perinheri where Anfortas was one of the strongest fighters, they are both very righteous as seen in the notes from the golems in sumeru. And both seem to take the lead when the situation is dire. So I was thinking since în the archon quest Mavuika says that ancient names can be forged, what if that's why capitano seems to have that aura that the ancient name bearers seem to have. Even more so what if the reason why he fought Mavuika is indeed to take the gnosis to prevent history from repeating. He failed to protect Kaenriah and sees that natlan had a similar fate. What if 500 years ago after Kaenriah fell, he lent his strength to natlan seing as it was the most affected after Kaenriah. And that's what gained him an ancient name and the right to fight for the title or archon. We seen in the trailer that the traveler will fight in the arena too and now we know he will have an ancient name too. Besides the misterioase voice ay the end of the quest said he's running out of time. Maybe the curse is getting stronger and he's running out of time because of it also his black face is just like the skin of the hilichurls. That got me thinking maybe he had kaeya with a natlanian woman, since there are many darker skinned people there. More than sumeru. And kaeya is the missing harbinger. Maybe that's the secret that he revealed to diluc and that would make a ton of sense why diluc almost killed him, more than if he just revealed he's a spy from a dead nation. And when kaeya says he inherited his eyepatch from his grandfather he might be reffering to Pietro, not as in blood related grandfather, but like a nickname for him cos he's older. This is my theory tho.
Well, if they WERE to destroy the Night Kingdom, they'd need a replacement, right? Huh, you know, I seem to recall how a certain sibling just gained the ability to weave new ley lines...........
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@@effortlessfury Bro is cooking... 🔥
Oh do elaborate sir
Enjou be like: oh, you guys need new Laylines? Well we have this Loom of Fate in stock.
hold on let bro cook. It would either be 5star food or 1star suspicious egg
*the nightwarden wars are NOT fought IN the Night kingdom. Kinich says he went there "once", when he died and hoe it was a uniqe experience. Mualani and the rest had clearly never been there before by contrast, because the idea of going there especially "in person" was a risky and new concept to her. And they all literally just won, or have been confirmed to have won the pillgramage in the past. Most obviously is there reaction to arriving, where they act like its all new to them and iansan literally says she has never seen it before.
Plus it was a surprise to see what's going on there, and how it's all corrupted. It was only a theory that the night kingdom has abyssal corruption, until we went there and confirmed it.
Also the way to get there and back takes a huge effort, so they clearly don't do it multiple times a year. (Also also, the flashback/vision of that one guys friend who died on his mission showed them in a relatively normal place, just with rifthounds and "flashback fog"/abyss corruption in the air. Not the crazy black stone/obsidian style terrain in the night kingdom.
So they go and fight *somewhere* else. Mualani says "the abyss isn't a enemy with a concrete form. We are usually just dealing with the after effects of their scheming". And we see then attack the people of the springs in the real world so there is absolutely stuff to do / fight that they would need to select top teams for. Just not a trip into the night kingdom itself.
❤ Great video as always I loved it! But this point has been confused by literally evey sing person so far that I have seen talk about the new lore so far. 😅
"the way to get there and back takes a huge effort" ... they could just go into the lava cave and jump against that specific lava stream and fall down into the night kingdom like i did ..really no effort at all
@@sheevismycity4789 o that makes a lot of sense, more than what i have gathered. but also like i feel like they could have clarified that better in the AQ?? glad you still enjoy my videos and i appreciate the corrections!! i’ll try to figure out how to uhh include this in the corrections and addendums pin lol
@@ceton1843 true lol
@@roozeveltfox No problem!! Happy to contribute to my favorite lore channel. I can't wait to hear your other thoughts in future videos, especially that bit about the shape of time. I immediately thought of you when she said that.
yeah Iansen being a winner multiple times also said that the Night Kingdom looks different from what she imagined
I feel like we should thank Rene for his notes, it's still help us in Natlan
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@@schopenhauer5427 I didn't mention it in this video but there are Narzissenkreuz notes alluding to them trying to use the Sacred Flame for Rene's "resurrection." but also in general they have a lot of stuff about descenders and alchemy and Khaenri'ah etc
Narzies, no matter how bad they were. Their experience did advance the lore more then anyone in Teyvat
@@schopenhauer5427 bro literally went and and had a chat with primo god lol i mean his info is stil relevant so if he was a real character( which i WANT ) he can be like dottore or dottore can be like him dont forget he is doing the same shit rene is doing also where tf is doc? gotta meet him
I might be wrong but the way I understood it is that the Ode of Resurrection isn’t actually broken. The abyss just kidnapped Kachina while pretending to have killed her, and since she isn't dead, she can't be revived. The point of this wasn't to break the Ode, it was just to plant the seeds of doubt on the people of Natlan, so that they stop producing contending fire
hmm from what i think sinner visionary might be involved why? bro has seen future past and present so hmm it could be true also this mauvika saying past present future existing in same time makes me think that smthin is defintely wrong with teyvat
Entirely possible! They did say they were holding Kachina hostage... hmm. I just based my assumptions on what Kachina said from the NK. If I had to guess we have a deliberately confusing narrative presented here!
My interpretation is that the wayobs corruption prevented it from speaking beyond the night kingdom, specifically to the pyro archon, so when the ode was preformed the wayob couldn't relay the location of kachina to then in order to pull kachina out of the night kingdom (in essence the ode was broken in the same kind of way as though the entire team died because the name (target) couldn't be located.
In the case of a team wipe the inconsistency of time likely guarantees their Erasure combined with the odes requirement of victory so instead if targeting the condition of victory they learnt to target one individual and prevent them from being targeted by the ode by distrupution of the wayobs consciousness in essence defeating the ode not by enforcing a wipe them all out mentality but a we only need to eliminate one and prevent the wayob from acting as a beacon for their Resurrection, subverting the ode in essence through removing the relay between reality and the night Kingdom
Fontaine taught us how fate isn't exactly, strictly, procedural; Natlan will taught us how fate isn't irrepairable as long as you remember who you are (ancient name, hence why if you lost it you 'lost all the grip and lost in the river of singularity').
All depends on the higher power subject (So far, Neuvillette and Traveler on the success side, leaving Remus, Deshret, and Rene (as Narsizzenkreuz) on the failed counterpart).
fr and i think snezhnaya will prbly tell us why you shouldnt mess with world order? and why they should have stayed silent even if they had known what is true or not?
@@starlight14673 I think it's plausible to consider that, by then the Tsaritsa will have all the gnosis thus had the third descender, even if it could be incomplete, on her hand. To have such power that can challenge fate is a challenge itself, what world do they want to mold with it? And how other party will feel about it?
I think we gonna need another dragon from Natlan, at least the conscious one from the start, unless.. (looking at paimon who keeps muttering she will be as big as three times the mountain in Natlan quests 👀)
Here’s an alternative idea as to why the traveler can’t resonate w pyro :)
I think the reason traveler can’t resonate is some sort of elemental energy shortage, mainly because Mavuika said at the end of act II that elemental energy has always been one of their primary and most effective methods in fighting against the abyss, so what if elemental energy is one of the sources of fuel for the sacred flame ( alongside contending fire I guess ? ) and so all the elemental energy available is used to keep the sacred flame burning so there’s simply not enough left for the traveler to tap into through the statue ?
Alternatively it could be simply because Natlan doesn’t have proper leylines, since the statues should be in theory connected to major leyline areas, the traveler can usually access elemental energy through them because elemental energy flows through the leylines, but since the statues in natlan aren’t really connected to leylines that probably means that the problem is that the pyro energy is simply out of reach, basically instead of energy properly flowing in “blood vessels” it’s just flowing freely everywhere in a chaotic manner that the traveler has a hard time locating and resonating with enough pyro energy for their needs
Yes! I’ve always been skeptical of the idea that traveler gets their power directly from the archons. I think it’s way more likely it is from the leylines themselves, which are linked indirectly to the dragons. In this case the wayob would have to give them the power, possibly along with a sacred name.
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So the ley lines are leaking everywhere causing kinda like a "hemorrhage" of elemental energy?
Natlan has internal bleeding i guess
to me capitano being the blood stained knight makes the most sense since hes a person who was cursed by abyssal corruption and now wears a mask
yeah no doubt still feels like a leading theory! it makes sense, just wondering how natlan is incorporated into that
Imma be firm believer in that theory unless Hoyo decides to prove otherwise. Its my favourite and it would fit his character so well
@@roozeveltfox in one of the artifact, the bloodstained knight died in the abyss, so it could be that Capitano got revived by Sacred Flame or something similar. Since bloodstained knight associates with the Abyss, it’s only natural he has connection with Natlan as well
Bloodstained knight is from monstadt right? But the fighting style of capitano resembles kaeya which indicates he is khaenrian. Maybe he is the blood stained knight idk
@@roozeveltfox well, the Bloodstained Knight was described as overly righteous. Capitano opens with "Since the oath made five centuries ago remains unfulfilled, what use is the Gnosis in your hands?" possibly not even talking to the Mavuika as the Archon of Pyro, but to her as the Archon from 500 years ago. In his eyes, she failed to keep her promise therefore it's time for him to step in.
You miss one important key point in the upcoming story and that is the Traveller will have its own Ancient Name and one of the six heroes will forge it which is Xilonen. By having the Traveller's Ancient Name embedded in the Wayob he and the Pyro Archon will have their connection materialize thus resulting to Traveller now can resonate to the Pyro statue and can be revive by Mavuika when they fight the Night Kingdom plus the Traveller can now compete in the Pilgrimage.
Ancient names aren't the part that makes someone revivable, we saw NPCs go and get revived
The ancient names just carry knowledge. They're stated in the beginning of the quest to NOT be sources of power at all
If the name were to be needed, the entire first half of the competition would be basically useless, since most people fighting are non-name-bearers
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incorrect, you do need an ancient name to be revived.
The reason why NPCs participate in the Pilgrimage (first stage) is to produce contending fire. The second stage does have Vision bearers and AN bearers, you can take note of it because the NPC names are repeated throughout the story.
I don't know where you got the "NPC being revived" part, but if you mean the part where they were trying to find Kachina's AN, then it should be known that the NPC was also looking for his friend's AN
Yea there’s a line in the AQ that I think Kachina says about how if a someone without an ancient name wins in the finals, they just return home as a champion instead of going to fight because only ancient name bearers can be revived after the Night Warden Wars
14:55 Did you also notice that everyone's energy is flowing INTO the stone, while our MC's energy has the reverse flow? We are SUCKING out the abyss out of the obelisk/stone.
Someone on the lore subreddit suggested that Capitano might be Kuntur, who was "unloved by the sun". He also has connections to the Masters of the Night-Wind.
If we're going to speculate based on the Ignition trailer weeks ago, the ones who were shown in black and white, the 6 chosen heores should be:
1. Mualani (Hydro from the People of the Springs)
2. Kinich (Dendro from the Scions of the Canopy)
3. Xilonen (Geo from the Children of Echoes)
4. Iansan (Electro from the Collective of Plenty)
5. Chasca (Anemo from the Flower-Feather Clan)
6. Citlali (Cryo from the Masters of the Night Wind)
when I was editing (because I put that part during that discussion) it did cross my mind and would make sense tbh
@@roozeveltfox citlali is giving me grandma vibes do I don't buy it
Or hoyo could double down on Capitano and actually make him the hero from the Masters of the Night Wind)
Citlali don't look interested in fighting etc
She looks like a grandma engineer or something
woah xilonen is form the geo tribe? woah i didnt knew so cool
PLEASE I need someone else to be as obsessed with the Night Kingdom divine nail as I am. I had to pause the Archon quest so I could run around trying to get a better look at it. Also I’m fascinated by the implications of it being there specifically. Can Celestial literally throw a nail into the liminal space between life and death? Was the Night Kingdom a real location when it got hit with the nail and THEN it became a liminal space? Is the Night Kingdom not a space out of space at all and it’s actually a real place somewhere under Natlan?
trust, I am a long-time obsessor of the Nails in general, so my brain cogs are turnin'...and all the points you bring up are super interesting questions!!
Finally someone else that thinks capitano is from natlan. I dont understand how everyone just collectively has agreed hes not from natlan like
Considering the people of Natlan need permission from the Wayob to even leave Natlan (which is incredibly hard to do for various reasons), I'm not as convince anymore that he is from Natlan.
Not that it's impossible mind you, but it's not surprising that people are not convince yet. Since if he is from Natlan, we're missing key information on how he was able to leave Natlan to begin with.
Also, if feels like any goes now in regards to the kinds of people that can be part of the Harbingers considering we have someone literally from the Crimson Moon Dynasty among their ranks. So there's a myriad of possibilities on who Capitano could be.
I haven’t seen one person claim he wasn’t from natlan.
i think he is either bloodstained knight or he is the xbalanque"s bro in mayan culture they did say that also he is depicted to be headless?? and my man doesnt have a head just an aura?? or he could human dragon hybrid from the new book
@@TheGeekyRedMage He's always seems like the kind of guy who is so strong that even if he left Natlan, it wouldn't affect him so much. So idk, man, he could be a special case.
@@starlight14673 for everyone else in here: I remind you that xbalanque was THE FIRST PYRO ARCHON. Sadly, bro is NOT the dragon sovereign (as far as we know). That is specifically stated in the world quests of natlan
Ok but I noticed that wind is mentioned too much in Natlan. One example: The red flowers' petals are described as 'like floating wings getting caressed by the wind'.
I thiiiink Venti has a hand ir smth..
and the explicit venti reference? 'there's no such thing as a coincidence'
@@roozeveltfoxalso the seelie that aided us in the night realm was an Anemo one and gave us a super powerful wind current 🤔
On top of this, the Obsidian that the Ancient Names are written on are in the shape of Feathers. Something that Traveller points out.
fr natlan and venti always goes hand in hand smthn is fishy venti is involved in this somehow idk how? also there arent seelies in natlan their are actually those purple dancing seelies which i find strange?
Instead of Venti it might be Istaroth as well. There was too much focus on how time is structured in the quest as well, who else is connected with Wind and Time more than Venti?
why did they send like a 10 year old to fight against literally the armies of hell
cuz its a game no need to make sense of the story fr
tbf its a pretty strong 10 year old despite being carried by Mualani in the team games
Yes it is in the world quest can't wait for you to do them :)
Xbalanque is one of the most important characters in Genshin
The quest is called In Footsteps of the Chosen of Dragons
I love the world quest omg
What’s the name of the WQ?
@@EmergencyCringe In the footsteps of the chosen of dragons.
@@EmergencyCringe There is also a quest were Dottore appears so we are most certainly fighting him in Natlan he goes under a different name but he specifically says that "he is not from there"
@@alexanderericson8628 the Scions of Canopy Tribe Quest? If it's another quest, don't read what's next, it's SPOILERS (Not leaks)
Sanka's not Dottore, that's Enjou. Besides looking the same as Enjou and having the same VA, there's more significant proof of it: completion of the Enkanomiya Quest is recommended before doing the Quest, you can verify for yourself in the Tribe Quest menu.
If it's a different quest, could you tell me which one? I'm interested
Ok, so this is some really out there crack theory but what if the Pyro from the Statue of Seven was stolen? Stealing fire seems to be a major theme in Natlan, which doesn't really surprise me since Mavuika is supposed to be based on the Māori goddess Mahuika (they even called her little sister Hine - Mahuika had a sister called Hine-nui-te-pō, whi was the goddess of death). The main story with Mahuika involved her getting tricked into giving up all her flames. It's complete crack but I think the Traveller's Pyro abilities were stolen. And I think maybe it might have something to do with our little Saurian? And by extension, Dragons? Because the fire was originally stolen from the Pyro Sovereign. But yeah, it's complete crack 😅 And I'm just enjoying seeing Māori legends in Genshin, because I'm from New Zealand. The story of Mahuika and Māui's many tricks are stories I grew up with.
Adding a bit to the crack-cooking. What if the sacred flame isn't KEEPING THE ABYSS AT BAY, so much as feeding it? In that case, Mavuika would be getting tricked into feeding it with her own flames, and Capilano could have insight on that, wich is why he wishes to overrule her power?
@@dotthedot9080adding a bit more crack to the theory what if most of the contending fire is being stored to resurrect xbalanque cause in the drip marketing they call him one entombed with the primal fire so may not have a physical form yet
How dare you assume babies can't fight against the abyss? Rooze is canceled I can foresee it
@@taxevasion249 i knew deep inside my hot take was too spicy
@@roozeveltfox too hot for the nation of pyro
Orogon didn't save Capitano , capitano was ready to fight, Orogon heard something and decided to intervine is more likely that he saved the archon indirectly, remember he heard something that capitano and looks like others can't hear, my theory is that he can heard the Waybob and by extension know somethings about the future abd thats why he intervine.
Thing is Capitano being willing to still fight doesn’t mean he would win. He was hurt and having powers comparable to gods doesn’t mean he would win in this specific fight.
I only say this because Capitano refuses to fight Mavuika only after she’s spent so much of her power saving us and the other heroes. She’s much weaker than when she was in the fight so we can’t take that statement as a factor of who would win if it continued
@@BlueDaisy33 Im not confirming he would that's just my opinion but again that's the less important part of what I said
@@BlueDaisy33terally said he doesn't want to beat her at her lowest he didn't said he doesn't want to cuz hes going to lose
Nice theory but still capitano lost against mavuica.
Hmm no, Capitano legit said “You’re little trick saved the day” meaning he legit admitted Oloron saved him. 🤔
I've been waiting for Traveler cleansing since Dvalin's Tear. I'm very pleased Hoyo finally brought it back into the main story.
I heard Mauvika talk about the shape of time and immediately thought about your video on time trekker and block time so I’m super excited about that one
aw ty! 🥰
Theory: What if in the final act, the traveler will have to combine his ABYSSAL CLEANSING ability with his FIRE ELEMENTAL POWERS. Since neither one can cleanse the abyss.
i think the idea of capitano dying has some merit to it, actually. it's the same way Ajax 'died.'
its not a death in the literal, physical sense; its an ego death- a death of oneself. Ajax 'died' when he entered the abyss, and Tartaglia was 'born' when he entered the fatui. I think its definitely plausible Capitano has something similar going on :))
thank u for supporting my delulu but also i'm a huge fan of this fatui having "deaths" before becoming the fatui. maybe also like how arlecchino let the name Peruere die?? it feels like a theme. a certain 'loss' of who they used to be to become the 'actors' of the commedia (??? if that makes sense)
@@roozeveltfox i totally agree, actually !! so far, all the fatui harbingers we know have experienced this same type of 'death' before.
the biggest one being wanderer, who experienced MANY. from kunikuzushi, to scaramouche, then to wanderer.
Peruere to Arlechinno, orphan to father. (she also really helps this theory in regards to her book, Perrenherri.)
Zandik to Dottore, simple scholar researching illnesses and 'helping' said ill, to the Doctor.
And then of course, Ajax. Normal boy, to killing machine. Ajax to Tartaglia.
though i think this theory / these parallels make a lot of since when it comes to the fatui, and more precisely, The Tsaritsa's plan. Yknow, the whole 'burn away the old world, and welcome in a new age'? Make's lots of sense when you look at it from that perspective!!
i theorized that the reason we can't resonate is because Mavuika isn't recognized by Celestia as the official archon of Natlan. I mean she's a human, and I would assume if Celestia were to appoint someone as the new archon they would have to ascend first. Focalors was once an Oceanid, but she ended up becoming a god. i also just find it really weird if this were the case because the original archon was a man, but the statue is of a woman....Mavuika. The statues have always been built based on the appearance of the first archon right?
In sumeru AQ it was clarified that the statues that we have right now is based on the archons from 500 years ago
Hence why the dendro statues is Rukkadevata in her small form since she shrank right before she created Nahida
Another evidence of this is that the Natlan archon quest already specifies that the first pyro archon was male (natlan world quests also confirms such)
Mavuika became the pyro archon 500 years ago and she revived herself recently hence why the statue is in her image
There's definitely more to Mavuika since the trailer shows her as a Phoenix yet she claims to be originally human so I think she's keeping some important information from us (unless the Phoenix form is something she relies on the gnosis for)
I feel like this implies that the statues were built 500 years ago (either that or they dynamically change, but I find that unlikely)
no. statues are based on Archons SPECiFiCALLY 500 years ago
if there was any doubt about who the statue represents after Sumeru, it was cleared up in Fontaine when we saw that Egeria doesn't look like Focalors and one of the NPCs mentioning that the statue was based on Furina(her divine form specifically, which is Focalors)
since all the Archons that were around from 500 years ago were also Archons today in previous nations we assumed statue changed form when new Archon arrived but Kachina said that the statue never changed despite countless Pyro Archons coming afte Mavuika's first life 500 years ago
this implies that statues are going to stay as Archons who were around after the cataclysm 500 years ago(So venti and Zhongli since they were still Archons after the cataclysm, Ei, Nahida,Focalors, Mavuika,Tsaritsa)
@@Moon1tanbut why would celestia create the statues 500 years ago when their was a cataclysm going on? What’s the true purpose of the statues of the seven ?
@@mitab1We have yet to find out. The story is still unfolding
OMG smoke detectors battery ran out
No mention of the pyro tribe from the manga, so that's interesting. And isn't it weird that normal people in Natlan just know about the dragons being a civilization before humans? Like I thought Celestia released some propaganda erasing them from existence. Also, where are the blue seelies in Natlan? I don't think I've seen any.
There are no Seelies other than the one in the Night Kingdom that guides the group when they need to get their butts out of there.
The answer to what happened to them is in the description of, I think it was a weapon? If you don't want that spoiled and would prefer to find it for yourself don't read my next part.
The description reads that the Dragons ate the 'Heavenly envoys', which are the Seelie.
Re: the ancient dragon civilization, I just assumed like, even if people traveled to natlan, they might not necessarily ask, because it may not be a normal topic to bring up? I kinda thought it was like how Australians assume the US/the world knows about the Nutbush dance, but the US doesn't.
Could be Celestia tho.
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Capitano is either a hero or Xbalanque himself just because in the namecard where ge appears, he's also wearing a headpiece that covers his face and like Natlan enemies that wear headpieces resembling their saurian companions his current dead looking mask might represent his companion, that I think could be the Pyro dragon lord, but that last part might be just crack 😂
Unfortunately they have different VA. The voice of the past who said "the rules are my legacy" is basically Xbalanque.
Ok but I'm still stuck at the night warden wars??? Like it's not a rotating cast of warriors it's a every few months we pop in for a few days thing. How does that even work? It would make sense if they were like a scheduled maintenance crew going in to clear up some abyssness but it's completely unclear. And they're not like regularly exterminating all the monsters like an infestation bc they're all still there when we go get kachina.
So like what does winning it even mean? Are they going down to play ball with rifthounds and they're got some unbiased referee?
Like PLEASE correct me if I accidentally skipped over a crucial line of dialogue but it seems so crazy that their continuous war with the abyss for centuries is a team of 5 dicking around for a couple days every so often
no no this is a valid plot problem imho so you're not wrong at all
I don't think they go to the Night Kingdom. Remember that it is a liminal space and not a physical place. The abyss is probably somewhere else on the surface. Remember the flashback from Mallko showed him in his last moments dying by Rifthounds somewhere is a deserted place on the surface. And I think winning simply means clearing a good amount of corruption and returning alive. Victory only entails one person returning alive cuz that's the condition for resurrection.
@@Error_Redacted I did also pin a comment about this! I think yall right.
I think some important questions here are :
_Where_ are the night warden wars fought?
_Is_ the flow of time (or indeed time space) normal there?
@@worm2976 as I and others have said, the wars r probably on the surface, so normal time
Abyss is like honkai strategic yet indifferent,not alive but acting in the world
Hope they actually introduce Honkai into Genshin. Because the abyss isn't really the same as Honkai, just similar.
i'm still laughing and flabbergasted at Tupac being in Genshin.
caaalifornia looo-ooove (dunnunununununu)
“Apologizing for this monstrosity” for this I freaking love you 😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
I am currently brainrotting about how Mavuika used weapons and artifacts of bygone heroes as power to break into the Night Kingdom
And how every weapon in the game that has a special effect has a story to it, 3* onwards...and all (?) 4* and 5* weapons are historical artefacts or weapons used by heroes.
Plus the artifact sets....Crimson Witch set allows use to gain a buff like the 'crimson witch' Rosalyne
Thundering Fury grants us a buff based on the Thunderbird/Kapatcir of Tsurumi etc
We've _always_ used this. It just got included in the story.
Cubes once again proving to be the most suspicious shape in Genshin Impact. Staring at Zhongli and his associations with death in light of this and the mention of Ronova in AQ
I’m guessing the Traveler needs to touch the flame to gain the power. Either that or they’ll grow new lay lines and then be able to resonate. But I’m leaning towards the flame personally
"The shape of time is a bloc"
Warframe's eternalism flashback
Oh no.
ope (this reminded me that people told me to explore warframe lore like 6 months ago)
The moment Mavuika started her time monologue I immediately thought about you and the video about time xD
Also I wonder if there will be an explanation of why the archon statue didn't changed in 500 years, it would have made more sense to me if they told something like "the statute changed a couple of years ago with the new archon" instead of the "is a 'coincidence' that the archon and the statue look a like" maybe is because Mavuika's soul remained within the fire so it was like she's dead but no and although there where other archons after her first time she was still technically The Archon maybe?
looking forward to every video you upload
re: traveler cleansing abyss as annihilation reaction.. that power has always reminded me of daoist cultivation in xianxia. purifying tainted chi by drawing it into ur body and circulating it thru ur meridians ^^ p neat
When Mavuika brought up block time I swear I heard maniacal laughter in the background somewhere....
the natlan world quests are soo juicy I cant wait to hear your thoughts
Now I'm done with world quest. I'm waiting for your analysis with it. Idk I'm excited hehe
omg there's SOOOO much aaaaaa
Looking forward to your video about the Firethief!
id like to say something, in the comics of genshin, venti calls venessa part of "children of murata" which confused us and made us think that the archons name was Murata, and now when we got mavuika introtroduced to the picture many of us got us wondering "wait but wasnt her name murata? must be a previous pyro archon", BUT now with the natlan archon quest, we have the information that the six tribes of natlan are called "Children of-", and there are 2 tribes missing right now, probably the children of murata tribe is missing because they left natlan a long time ago, losing hope on Mavuika's plan
It could be that the soul of the Archon has to die or smth for the Statue of Seven to change. Technically if we go by the quest in Natlan you can be resurrected from the sacred fire as long as your ancient name is alive as the canopy member still believed he could save his friend as long as the ancient name was obtainable so she might have her own ancient name as well as her "inner flame" which i think is primordial flame based on the world quest according to which the rules of Natlan were created and why the lector goes on about how Mavuika didn't share it (maybe she didn't share it for 500 years)
Anyways that's why i think the statue remained the same because it changed in every other instance apart from Focalor's situation. Also as a side note it was interesting how Paimon was also completely unaffected by Abyssal energy after coming back when everyone else was, as well as forbidden knowledge which comes from the Abyss not doing anything to her when we were travelling in the boat of consciousness to save Rukkhadevata
It's also interesting that there is a celestial nail in the night kingdom but the abyss is still rampant there. Anyways are we going to talk about how memories are essentially giving the chosen characters a full on nightsoul blessing which in game basically gives you the power to fight for a longer period of time.
Also congrats on landing the W for expecting that random but totally possible different times existing at the same plane which was the block theory.
I don't want to spoil the story for WQ so i won't go into the specifics of why the leylines in Natlan are as they are but remeber to take pictures of every single mural you come accross in the WQ
oooo interesting idea about the statue!!
also I've done (most of??) the WQs but my god I have to process them aaaa. I'll keep this is in mind tho
@@roozeveltfox it seems that the Natlan's leylines (basically their big tree like every other region like the Windrise tree and Sacred Sackura) were burned by a black dragon which could either be Xiucoatl or Nibelung even tho the wiki says it's Xiucoatl after the sage who turned out to be a dragon betrayed the dragonkind and worked with the Pyro Archon to make Phlogiston available for humankind to use.
Idk but somewhere in the text it also says the Pyro Archon was also revived but the text explicitly says it's a Pyro Archon which should be the position of a god after he's defeated every other god in his territory in battle but he was also a human according to Paimon? So maybe Celestia decided to make him the Pyro Archon after a human somehow killed the Pyro Sovereign(Xiucoatl)
And Khaenriahns were also involved in this so just maybe one of the Khaenriahn soldiers is Capitano? This is kinda brainrot but his clothes look awfully similar to the knights, his back has the same purple hue as Dainsleif's boots and he has been around 500 years too so methinks he is Khaenriahn
No, it was stated in both Sumeru AND Fontaine that the statues of the seven were all built 500 years ago and look like the Archons from that time: Venti, Zhongli, Ei, Smol Rhukkadevata, Focalors, and now Mavuika.
@@roozeveltfoxunfortunately Sumeru gave us the lore that their statue was smol Rhukkadevata after she depleted her strength. And Fontaine is Focalors not Egeria as the statues were only created 500 years ago
@@Orion_TheyThem maybe I'm missing some dialogue so could you tell me where was it stated? I checked the wiki and previous reddit discussions but couldn't find it
Feel like capitano is the first pyro archon....like her line "people like us let's put flames do the talking "
i just wanted to correct one thing: the champion teams dont go to fight the abyss ON the night kingdom. they fight it on the real world, and if they were to die, they go to the night kingdom (the night kingdom works like a purgatory of some sorts). thats why kachina was on the night kingdom, and why it was so weird for people to go there
3:41 was personal💀
ABD illustrates made this video about natlan speculations a long while ago that tried to guess the identity of the pyro archon throu analysing pyro characters and establishing links between them, and what he came up with was shockingly accurate to some degree, and i think it explains why we couldn't resonate with pyro: basically to have a pyro vision, there needs to be a notion of "passing the torch" which is a theme that seem to be rooted in natlan's practices. It really felt that it made sense that we couldn't resonate with pyro, without that particular experience of having a torch being passed down to us.
It could be something else like paimon said, some abyssal interference, or just due to the difference in ley line systems that we found on natlan and the contamination of the night realm-
But I still want to contemplate our journey again and particularly our relationships with the archons and the vision distribution system patterns.
Mine are working I accidentally triggered em when I was seasoning my cast iron.😅 Awesome theory can't wait to see what you have to say on the little tepetlisaurus
HI ROOZEEEE IM SO EXCITED
18:17 cryo vs pyro never ends well...
A random comment about something I discovered when entering the nigth kingdom to fight the Local legends that are there.
When you do the challenge of the black monoliths that are on the map and access that domain, if we use the camera to make a Zoon or a glich to be Out of bounds, the structure that is located in the heart of the nigth kingdom, has shape of a gigantic tower and the fire that surrounds it is white, similar to the energy given off by the Nail that floats in that place, which is why both structures could be linked and what we see in that particular area is the largest annihilation reaction of all so far.
as for the abyss learning
mate an abyss Lector just said what happened
an intelligent life form(former human turned herald/lector) wanted to see the world burn so he expedited the process in some places
Hey, can’t wait for you to do the Scions of the Canopy reputation quest, full of lore bombs you’ll enjoy!
The biggest question I have regarding Natlan's situation is particularly WHY Natlan's leylines are so weak and unstable compare to other nations. My initial thought is that Irmisul is position at a specific place that makes it so Natlan is particularly far away from Irmisul. But then I have to question why doesn't The Heavenly Principles extend the leylines to secure Natlan if it seems they are the ones that control it. Natlan's situation is just very interesting because for one reason or another, Celestia's influence seems to be "weaker" in Natlan (which probably explains why we can actually find ruins from the Sovereign Dragons' era, unlike in other nations it seems).
I also want to talk about annihilation, Khvarena, The Abyss. Now, while it does seem like Genshin is part of the Honkaiverse, we don't really know if Genshin is meant to be connected to HI3rd and HSR (at least to a heavy extent). Regardless, I suspect that there are at least meant to be parallels between them, so I'm guessing "Khvarena" and The Abyss are meant to parallel The Imaginary and Quantum, at least in function. "Khvarena" (using this name as a placeholder) and The Abyss are two opposing forces in a symbiotic relationship (like a Samsara or Oroboros
For the Ley Lines being weak, I just finished the World Quest with our little Dragon buddy today and I wonder if what is depicted in that (without spoiling) might answer why the Ley Lines are weak.
@@CiarlaArt and how to do that qeust?
I have no notes here. I also don't play HI3 (but do see overlapping themes with HSR).I think this is a solid comment that stands on its own
@@nicolas._.2294 I found an item at some point that triggered Paimon saying to return to the man in the Children of Echo's who told us about our little buddy having the Flamelords Blessing; I think, THINK, I got the item from then area above Huiztli Hill on the map, the water area. Once you return to him where the man is, he's talking to Pacal, it will trigger the continuation of that quest.
@@CiarlaArt ty
My guess is that even after defeating the Abyss in the Night Kingdom it still wouldn't be able to function properly, since most parts of it were corroded and basically gone after cleansing.
So that means, that they will have to rebuild it or create something entirely new to replace it. Something that functions as leylines and is independent from Irminsul - like the Sacred Sakura or the Loom of fate.
That also lines up with Mavuika's words about forging their own fate, since their new system wouldn't be regulated by Celestia.
Edit: I see this idea is not entirely new here, but I still think that they'd create something on their own without the help of our sibling, especially because the battle in Natlan is against them.
Thumbnail game is *on point* with this one
I just hope that Capitano is not Mavuika's dad or sister. Her dad not being there to see her off and the sister saying something along the lines of, "I will see you 500 years later, one way or another" makes me think there's more to their end than what was led on. I hope they're just red herrings. The sisters memories being there should mean she's passed though. Also, what about her current family? We've heard nothing about it. She was reborn and inherited the name right? Where are her current life's parents or siblings?
Well done
i personally think citlali is the night-wind hero, despite how boring it is, every hero from each tribe so far has had the same element as the tribe, and we know oloron is electro, while citlali is cryo, like the night-wind tribe
If the pilgrimage is yearly and kachina was there 5 times, she did probably start at the fist year she got her name. She looks small but she is probably supposed to be 13-15? Maybe even older. Some other small girls like Sayu dori and diona are all working already (ninja merchant and bartender) so they are all probably not below 14.
If i remember correctly Kachina mentioned that she "can not use her age as an excuse to loosing anymore" so she was participating at a very young age and is now... well not that young.
Damn i wish we had something akin to canon ages. Thanks to kachina having Participated in several pilgrimages a lot of people think they are not yearly.
As soon as you get an ancient name from the wayob ya gotta participate, even if you are only like 10 years old.
Tldr: Lets blame the wayob for any timeline bullshit and missunderstandings
Kachina is young, young enough that Pacal was protective toward her when meeting the Traveller, he calls Kachina young, and also didn't want her to go alone even though she bares an Ancient name. As opposed to Iansan who acts (and is treated) as though she is older than Kachina. Makes it pretty messed up in Natlan that as you said you have to compete if you have an ancient name regardless of age. I get they're fighting a war, but still.
Dori, I think is supposed to be an adult, just a short one. I don't like her, so I don't know much about her. Sayu is at least a teenager, if I recall she is just short for her age and that the other Ninja here age are all taller than her. So, she (stupidly) thinks that if she sleeps a lot she will grow. While Diona is a child.. Makes you question the working age for Teyvat.
@@CiarlaArt exactly!! :D
I did not add klee because she is another species and is much older than she looks but behaves even more like a child than kachina, but she is the "spark knight" and a member of the knights of favornius. She does get put in time out like a kid too.
Children in teyvat do just have Jobs it seems. Or at least they get to participate in fights/blow up stuff.
Teyvat really has its own rules. (about child labour)
(If i remember correctly it was stated right at the beginning of the Natlan quest, when you meet kachina, that everyone with an ancient name has to participate, but i could also remember it wrong, gotta watch that scene again. And i think the scene about her participating for 5 times was the night before the contest, when everyone was sitting together for dinner. I hope they clarify that more somewhere, i have not read kachinas unlockable profile infos/character story yet)
I was doing world quests and an NPC said that the pilgrimage doesn't happen yearly, just as needed. Can't remember which though
In the A name forged in flames trailer the upcomming catlady says "is it that time of the year again?" Implaying that the tournament is every year. Unless the tournament that the trailer was about is not the same tournament as in the game??? 🤔
Your fanfiction about captitano is still way less half backed than mine. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how to make him Mavuika’s little sister 😂 firefly brain rot getting to me.
i mean, after Firefly... idk anything can go lmao
Lets goooo i was putting off the archon quest pt 2 and i finished it last night
inherit the gamer tag Traveler your Ancient Name. Also Capitano's Ice is not the same as Tsaritsa and Signora's Delusion, it's more akin to cooled Phlogiston Block than Ice
Kachina never died. She was MIA.
The only thing I could think of all archon quest (and I THINK it came from an Ashikai theory) is that Capitano escaped the night kingdom without proper resurrection and needs control over the fire to cleanse himself
Damn it, Kaeya's biological dad always causing problems *shakes head*
Sanhaj Kompore, the hero 500 years ago of Masters of the Night-Wind was a fortune teller. I can see Citlali more than Ororon
My theory is still that the Pyro sovereign got deleted like Ancient Names of the ones who fail. This is the reason we can't resonate with Pyro. Because Travelers ability to resonate with an element has nothing to do with either an Archon or a Gnosis, think Venti who had no idea how Traveler got Anemo and Focalors who deleted the existance of the Hydro Archon, yet Traveler can still resonate with Hydro. Also provides us with an explanation to who Mavuika is trying to resurrect.
Focalors who deleted the existance of the Hydro Archon as well as the Hydro Gnosis*
I'm still in the process of trying to parse out Natlan lore and history but memory deletion would explain a few things so far i think (but again I'm not done sorting through it!!)
It was kinda hard to concentrate in the beginning,cause I was vibing with Children of the Echoes music
3:45 I feel that pain from Starrail,sometimes you just have to pray to RNG
It's kinda interesting that they start to connect lore back to Mondstadt, maybe we will have a Mondstadt expansion in 5.x versions?
Also,why the fork they didn't explain the thing about ley lines? Like, were they scorched by the Abyss or when the Primordial One was distributing ley lines he run out of them in Natlan? But I guess we will know more about it in later versions
Still waiting for mentions of Mare Jivari and Venessa and her tribe in Natlan
Great video as always,thank you!
I think the Capitano crack is good, tbh.
Why does the Night Warden Wars give me the vibe of the Aztec Flower Wars?
ok, but let's talk about the RANDOM ASS CELESTIAL NAIL IN A MINIBOSS ARENA.
like, _Why?_
i have my secrets that i will reveal one day (i.e. im screaming and will eventually maybe translate into a comprheensible language)
@@roozeveltfox closest things mine have to words is this:
Nails are dropped by Celestia presumably to wipe problem civilizations and whatnot off the map. Tsurumi island does challenge this, unless it was a holdout from the OG civilization back in primordial times that Celestia decided to nuke. Now they work by “creating large scale ley line disorders”. What does that really mean? Ley lines are manifestations of fate, and carry the memory (which I would say includes both past, present, and future) of the world. Does that mean that dropping a nail essentially “corrupts” the data in irminsul for that local area? Would be a great way to hide unwanted outside data, though a rather extreme tactic. If thats the reason though, then that would imply that Celestia doesn’t have a loom to alter the ley lines with, and this is their crude stand in.
So why a nail in the night kingdom, and since when? What if the night kingdom is actually a by-product of the nail, say it was used to pin down and obscure the remnants of some ancient knowledge only the dragons possessed, considering we see so much of their civilization’s ruins down near it. Maybe in doing so, they accidentally warped things so badly that souls in the region could no longer pass on to the irminsul or whatever, and get trapped in this ley line disorder (much like on Tsurumi). But the people getting resurrected certainly aren’t just shades of their former selves, it seems to be the actual souls… so are we going to learn where the dead _actually_ go after death with this nation?
I wanna know what Mavuika meant when she said she knows quite a lot about us. More than we know. WHAT DO YOU MEAN??????!!!!!!!
Ok let's see, despite not yet being able to resonate with Pyro the Traveler can do what Natlanians can do like using Phlogiston, being able to read Phlogiston engravings, and the Traveler is called the Chosen of Dragons. So if we put two and two together the Twins are from Teyvat especially somewhere in Natlan but their memories got changed then kicked out of Teyvat and now they think they're Outlanders.
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@@bisayafascist5725 you do realize that if the Traveler was from Teyvat..... specifically Natlan they wouldn't be able to wield ALL the elements without a vision???? That just goes against all the lore in the game.
Especially since we know Irminsul memories can be tampered with and Rhinedottir (one of the sinners who's in league with Vedrfolnir, who's the guy that lured our sibling to the abyss) makes regular trips into Irminsul and probably implanted our sibling into Irminsul and then left the end of their journey out???
Edit: a descender can be the chosen of dragons. In fact, I'd think they'd be the best candidate if the Sovereigns still hold a grudge against Celestia and the current regime of Archons. Which if Neuvillete is anything to go by.....they absolutely do.
@@Orion_TheyThem I've always had this lingering question in my mind, why does the Traveler able to resonate with the elements like it's second nature to them despite being outside of Teyvat?
My crack theory is that maybe the Twins aren't outlanders but rather they are originally Teyvat Natives especially if the Twins are basically the very First Humans of Teyvat ala Adam and Eve and the Humans that comes after them that uses there blueprint are just nerfed as in no longer able to manipulate the elements freely.
@@bisayafascist5725 you do realize this still doesn't support your "they're Natlan natives" theory as they can wield ALL the elements. And don't need a physical focii. Which, in the history of Teyvat has only been able to be done by descenders or elemental beings. And even then it was only one element wielded by each elemental being such as slimes, foliar wayobs, and fungi.
Have your crack theory but the way you phrased it in your first comment was very "this is correct and will be made true." Also SUPER condescending with the whole "if we put 2 and 2 together." You sound like a Real pleasant person. 😒
Edit: just noticed you have facist in your username which tells me all I need to know about you. Since you can't really block people on here, please don't comment any further. I will not be responding to any more of your comments. Have a fvçking life. ✌🏻
Do you think Dottore is gonna get a big sexy makeover next time he shows up with "The Number One" next to his name?
I just realized that Ancient name is near identical to One for all from bnha lol
The abyss to me seems to be a mirror of some sorts. Able to copy your own moves or plan ahead by your moves
Mirrors... mirrors are definitely a theme.... HMMMM
Imagine captino being the first Pyro archon
Different VA tho.
@@bisayafascist5725 the first Pyro archon has been shown?
@@lol-ie1pv ua-cam.com/video/su9xF6l3d0c/v-deo.htmlsi=257ERpjQP5PjRh2F
Not shown but we did hear him talk in 6:06 the person who says the rules are my legacy.
@@lol-ie1pv in the part of the AQ where Mavuika is reminiscing on the Memories you can hear the voice of the past that says "The rules are my legacy" and it's revealed that the First Pyro Archon established the rules that allowed Humans to achieve Archonhood.
Thanks I knew the rules part but not the voice.
maybe we can use the Loom of Fate to create a new Leyline system for Natlan after seperating the Night Kingdom from it?
Hey, crack theory thay i just got after reading the comment of the guy talking about Venti(haven't watched the whole video yet)
In the manga, venti tells traveler about vannesa and her tribe and the traveler has the pyro powers from what it looks like. So venti 2nd story qeust coming soon?
Also 2 qeustion that i hope some people will think about, how has Vanessa tribe leaved natlan safely? If they can then does thay mean Capitano might be one of them?
2nd where is Varka the grandmaster? And from what we know, he and 80% of the knights and Capitano himself have been in natlan for like years, wtf have they been doing all of this time? I don't think an expedition mission is a good enough excuse.
I didn't mention Vanessa here because i'm growing increasingly uncertain if they're trying to retcon the webcomic. but AruHiseki did make a post mentioning how people who left natlan had memory issues, and maybe that's why the tribe didn't remember the pyro archon...
regardless I think there are enough ties (e.g.) with the Mare Jivari) to definitely gives us Venti SQ2!!
@roozeveltfox oh, I thought they didn't remember the pyro archon becs they left long ago, either before Vanessa was born or when she was a child, so her generation didn't have that knowledge. Well anyway, thank you very much!
Off topic , kachina and mualani have such "Kiana and Mei" dynamic, or is it just me?
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but isn't it weird to ask
"why does the current archon looks like the statue of the seven"
don't all archons when they come to power get their own statue
are you telling me that for the past 500 years she was the archon and all of the human archons during that time weren't archons
and if that's the case then shouldn't it be more of a deal plus false information in regards to the archon status
and if it's not the case how can a HUMAN from 500 years ago get a statue THAT SURVIVES FOR 500 YEARS while the other human archons don't
it's not like the statue was replaced during those 2 moments of her reign since then they COULD NOT ask such a question, they weren't there 500 years ago
Could be because the statues were made before but just around the Cataclysm (like a year before the Cataclysm)? Could also be that reworking the statues is difficult as hell, plus you can literally become the archon if you just beat the current one (I'm pretty sure, unless I am missing something), so by that logic, someone could be an archon for like 10 minutes if someone beats them, so idk. Maybe Mavuika was the strongest of all pyro archons, so she gained the honor of being the face of the statue? (but later died of old age or smth, so there would be another mega duel for the next place of the pyro archon)
A lot of possibilities, maybe it will get answered in later quests. Most of the suggestions I made can easily be debunked tho 😭
6 tribe means 6 kinds of NPC enemies and 1 tribe has multiple kinds
and now we only seen 3 kinds of Saurian
who knows we'll more in other tribe
Hmmm I wonder if we are made out of same material as that heavenly nail to be soo good against abysss in purification and whatnot. Like what if we are somehow creation of heavenly principles? maybe our sibling was original traveler coming to Teyvat alone and got corrupted by abyss. So heavenly principles used all their power to make us and rewrite history such that we are siblings and always been. Maybe that is why our sibling is part of Teyvat proper and we aren't. Heavenly principles realized that only we can counter horrible things done by our corrupt sibling.
I heard that Capitano might be a crocodile because of the croc egg and dove egg (columbina?)
The abyss reminds me of Ruin from the mistborn series
Note how Paimon isn't even trying to help nor did she once try to putrify or send "elemental energy" Does she know and cover that she is correct... If so couldn't Nahida read her mind, couldn't Zhongli recognize her fowl energy, and couldn't Hydro dragon sense her as well... Most importantly, how did she know the language and history of Tyvate when we just fished her at the start of the game!!!
Using aventurine and luocha and still dying is crazy
Ok so like- do we as a traveler already have the power to resurrect people? we know how to make the holy fried egg, and regularly use it to bring people back from the dead. Who needs this sacred fire stuff anyway...
the pyro archon is actually not bennett but bennett's specialty fried egg
I think the Abyss is being guided by the sinners and/or the Abyss sibling. They are giving orders to the lectors/heralds/mages.... to do what they need to be done. That way they conserve their energy for the final fight. It probably also takes/uses the knowledge and memories of the people that is corrupts. Just like what is happening with the night kingdom memories being used against tribes in Natlan. With each new memory it gets "smarter" and can manipulate more people as it goes. This is probably wrong though, just my thoughts on it, so sorry.😅
the abyss order that is controlled by the abyss sibling is not the same as the abyss itself. It could be a sinner though.
All I'ma say is pyro traveler better be at least good. But they hinting at him being able to use all the elements at one time. He showed it finally
me expecting Zach to scream "FIREEENADOOO!!!" at khoi
the wayob seem to be alot like wifi
Dayum another video without any kaeya tin foil hat theories ? Rooze is not roozeing 😂 but nice video, as always.
he was in the original script with the shape of time. trust. but also ty 🥰
The one of the final cutscenes really confuses me
Spoiler ahead
Specifically, I'm talking about Capitano (strange look into the camera and an equally strange accompanying phrase). A crazy thought came into my head, if this is perceived as 4th wall breaking...
What if, we, as a player, end up as a separate entity in long future updates (not just some traveler's, paimon's or any other character's perspective view, but a truly separate person on higher dimension level).
A more or less popular example of such idea - Watchers in Marvel Comic Universe (observing events without interfering, not visible to the naked eye)
The game already has Witches that are invisible to the characters (only voice is heard + occasionally some small object nearby), now we can be added to this caste too...
I don't know, maybe the scene was done with such "unic way", but I don't feel like he was addressing any physical entity. It can be Wayob, but again, the phrase sounds out of place (Wayob is everywhere and literally woven into Natlan's nature and elements)
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BUT I DON'T FEEL SAFE THANKS TO THIS UK 😭
I thought Ignition trailer out right showed that Citalali will be the hero from the masters of the night-wind?
if you go by the desaturated scene - yeah, I think it'd imply Chasca and Citlali (since there were size scenes - Kachina just happened to be with Mualani). That may certainly be the case, but I was speculating1) Citlali already seems super established with no need for further achievement to get the Anicent Name and also 2) just speculating about Ororon!
so I may be wrong on that and this is correct!
Hei Roosevelt. I love your videos and theories. And I too share kaeya brainrot. As such I wS looking forward for your videos wondering if you noticed the similarities between kaeya and capitanos. Mainly their fighting style, the sword that capitanos uses looking similar to the harbinger of the dawn and his intro being similar to kaeyas.
aw thank you! I did see the similarities send to me with clips and such. It's so waaghh!! But I do now have some questions, especially after Titu's world quest...
@@roozeveltfox i haven't done the world quests yet as I'm still finishing the ones in Fontaine, but the more I look at the two of them the more I see similarities and I have a little theory. Also his hair is how I imagine Kaeya's hair would be loose, like not in a ponitail. But I listened Capitanos voice and then immediately went to listen to Kaeyas dads voice from the event and to me they sound almost the same except when spoken to kaeya sounds softer. And his uniform has the same color scheme as Dainsliefs, capitano even has some of the same blue as seen on Dainsliefs arm but on his hips. And we'll added the fatui emblem all over. But his uniform is a mix of kaeya and dainsleif to me but maybe I read too much into it. Anyway my theory is what if he is Anfortas. They possess grate strength, as seen in perinheri where Anfortas was one of the strongest fighters, they are both very righteous as seen in the notes from the golems in sumeru. And both seem to take the lead when the situation is dire. So I was thinking since în the archon quest Mavuika says that ancient names can be forged, what if that's why capitano seems to have that aura that the ancient name bearers seem to have. Even more so what if the reason why he fought Mavuika is indeed to take the gnosis to prevent history from repeating. He failed to protect Kaenriah and sees that natlan had a similar fate. What if 500 years ago after Kaenriah fell, he lent his strength to natlan seing as it was the most affected after Kaenriah. And that's what gained him an ancient name and the right to fight for the title or archon. We seen in the trailer that the traveler will fight in the arena too and now we know he will have an ancient name too. Besides the misterioase voice ay the end of the quest said he's running out of time. Maybe the curse is getting stronger and he's running out of time because of it also his black face is just like the skin of the hilichurls. That got me thinking maybe he had kaeya with a natlanian woman, since there are many darker skinned people there. More than sumeru. And kaeya is the missing harbinger. Maybe that's the secret that he revealed to diluc and that would make a ton of sense why diluc almost killed him, more than if he just revealed he's a spy from a dead nation. And when kaeya says he inherited his eyepatch from his grandfather he might be reffering to Pietro, not as in blood related grandfather, but like a nickname for him cos he's older. This is my theory tho.