Hello Motojitsu, thank you for all your wonderful videos. I have a question in regards to counter steering say, I’m in a corner and I need to add more lean do I still use the principle of push right to go right to add further lean or do I use body weight to lean the bike more?
Riding should never be about impressing others - only about enjoying the freedom of riding on two wheels, and riding safely with a clear, and focused mind.
Agreed...you are your own ride everytime.... unfortunately the reality is many succumb to peer pressure and end up riding above their skill level in a group taking on unnecessary risks. 😕
For me, learning to lean my bike more in a corner isn't about showing off, or riding like a squid/hooligan, it's about expanding my safety envelope. The faster and sharper I can take a corner safely and confidently, the more options I have in an emergency situation. Also that added (and legitimately earned) confidence will just make riding more enjoyable.
The 'lean angle barrier' is mental, IMO. (It's analogous to 'writer's block.') It stems from the fear, the risk, of possibly dropping the bike or losing traction, and getting hurt. I think it's a reasonable feeling to have. But as you say and demonstrate, the barrier can be lowered with practice.
The lean angle barrier is a natural instinct most legged mamals show (horses, giraffes, etc.) and it is to protect you from falls. Now with something so unnatural like motorcycling, this protection becomes a barrier and makes people ride less safe. The good thing is, we can untrain this natural behaviour and increase our safety while riding as the video demonstrates.
The challenge is that practicing and gradually pushing the envelope further on how aggressively one takes a corner is still just a fancy way of saying "trial and error". When the "error" part of the equation means $500+ in damage to my bike and a free date with my local ER doctor, it's just not a good risk/reward balance. Sadly, I know of no other way to develop that skill, so my wallet says that I will never get really good at cornering.
A big help for me was when I would ride behind others faster than me, and be able to visualize how much they were leaning in a corner. That helped me realize how little I was actually leaning and much more I could safely go. And of course lots of practicing which helped leaning feel more natural.
I had this aswell but it's not a good indicator unless all other variables are equivalent. On a 650 with a 160 rear tyre you require much less lean at the same speed (given same body position) than say an R1 with a 200 width rear tyre, that's just tyre dynamics, then the same also applies if they have Sporty tyres with aggressive profiles like a Michelin Power Cup vs A Michelin Road 5. On Continental Road Attack 3s I was going well past the curved edge of the tyre where it started getting real skittish, doing same manoeuvre with slightly higher speed, same body position, Road 5s would have 1cm chicken strips, doing the same on Pirelli Rosso 3s, 2cm chicken strips. Obviously with these tyres you have slightly more clearance than the CRA3 and that's something to keep in mind, you have to adapt your riding position to not push your tyres past THEIR limit which ultimately limits how far the bike can lean over.
I always use as little lean as possible when riding in public. Also become quite comfortable with my old 1994 CBR600 F2 as a newish rider after I figured out how to translate decades of bycycle/BMX riding into a motorcycle (quite different in weight,power delivery and how to operate it). It's a really flickable bike when you know what you're doing and the power is amazing (even though it's not beating modern RR bikes - still beasts most cars by far). No ABS or even fuel injection, just the sweet sound of flames being shot out the Vampire exhaust while downshifting within ideal engine temps. That sweet purr cruising at 3-3,5K rpm when she's warm is just incomparable to a modern bikes and their strict requirements.
I had a "lean angle barrier" in my first weeks riding, it happened after I scared myself scraping the pegs in a relatively wide slow turn. After watching videos and practicing I realized I was counter-leaning. Getting a feel for the bike at low speeds really helps tremendously!
I’ve been riding for 16 years since my early 20’s I’ve been on everything with 2 wheels and currently have a cruiser/muscle bike and a sport bike so I have experience on many different style bikes and I’ve learned by far the most by coming across your channel. Doesn’t matter how good you think you are there is always more to learn! Thanks for the amazing content!! 🙏🏻
For me personally, i was leaning normally before I felt few times on an oil spot or sand surface. So now I stopped trusting the road and make simple turns at 15 kph because I don't want to lean the bike. So the treatment would be to learn how to analyse the road and to be sure that i can make a turn with minimum risk
That low lean speed turn with a passenger is in another high level skill.. thats a real skill not just someone trying to knee drag while the bike is still upright..
this video is sooo appropriate for me right now!!! yesterday, for the first time ever, I dragged knee (for like 1 millisecond) in my local parking lot! which I never would have been able to do if it weren't for your MotoJitsu drills. Thanks for your tips Fast Eddie! # ShutUpAndPractice
I know what u r doing yet I'm letting u reprogram my brain, I just love the way that u drill it in, now let me get rid of my lean angle illusion. Thanks.
You can call it whatever you want, but lean angle barriers exist with new riders. I would say almost all new riders experience it to some degree. This video offers excellent ways to overcome that fear of leaning to be able to ride at a safe and normal manner through corners and on the street. Or, as usual, the answer is to practice, ride more and learn as much as you can. For most people it has nothing to do wtih ego or impressing other people (of course there are always those types out there) but wanting to be safer and be able to take corners normally.
I don't agree...new riders are just new...don't know anything yet and need time to experiment and practice. If you haven't done so yet, check out my website MotoJitsu.com for my app, books, discounts, etc.
Excellent tutorial and just to add on: if you're pushing your envelope on the public roads, know that road and pavement first! Know if or where gravel might be, know the camber of the turns, and know that there isn't any oil slicks.
@@MotoJitsu fair enough! After writing the Original comment I kinda double guessed if I should have even said that. Downloaded your app this week and really like the drills. Thanks
My interest in leaning forward, is less so I can go faster, and more so I can learn my bike. When practicing in a parking lot, theres an angle of lean where my gut tells me to immediately stop leaning further, and that pushes me wide at times. Its a remnant from my motorized bicycle days, where the tires I had were bicycle tires that I didnt trust to remain consistent. Upshot is I always leave more grip available for emergencies, downside is, my body wont let me use it. I've even almost blown corners and ran wide because of that. I hesitate to call it a fear, but, it somewhat is. I know leaning further = increased danger, I've drilled that into my head slightly too much.
My goal in riding is to master my bike. I want to get to a level of comfort with my bike where nothing it does scares me. I was more or less at that point with my motorized bikes. I knew how to stabilize the frame in a corner so it didnt wallow or move off line, I learned how to threshold brake exceedingly well, I learned how to move around at near 0 mph and maintian balance. I was at the point where I could keep up with propper motorcycles simply because I didnt have to let off the throttle in the corners, I just had to tip it in with my hips and hold the frame steady.
there is a natural lean angle barrier for extreme beginners at around 20° wich is the natural maximum lean angle you take while running. Otherwise it s not relevant unless you ride an harley breakout and you don't live in the US where there are no turns, and twisties are what we considers express ways in europe.
My lean barrier has come in handy multiple times when I all of a sudden had to lean even more (oncoming traffic coming into my lane). I'll keep it thank you, on the street it is better not to ride on the edge and have a margin.
bmp72 the presence of your lean angle barrier is limiting your safety because it limits your ability to turn tighter to avoid traffic drifting into your lane.
@@georgeleavell4465 but this is my point. If I increase my lean angle barrier I will have nothing left in the case you describe. By not leaning too much in normal driving there is room to lean more in case of emergency.
@@bmp72 I think you are misunderstanding or misusing the term "lean angle barrier." A lean angle barrier is an an artificial, psychological, usually fear based, unnecessary limit as to how far you can actually lean the bike and that limits your ability to turn tighter. Choosing to not lean further so you can lean further, if needed, is NOT a lean angle barrier and is an excellent riding practice because you want to always have the ability to turn tighter available to you.
Practise offroad too. You cant lean the same as on asphalt. But you can still race around high speed corners offroad just gotta keep the bike upright for traction.
Practicing the slow speed close turns took away my fear of leaning the bike . Before I be ever ride a motorcycle I was scared just by seeing other people lean their bikes 🤣 thankfully I've come a long way thnx to you.
If you have safe place to practice, good gripy surface and you are not able to pass your lean angle barrier, then try to pull down (meaning trying to drop your bike to the ground) your bike by leaning more by pulling, then you understand, you are probably not even capable to drop your bike just because you want. But if you have 10k+ price bike, then it is not leaning barrier, but money barrier :)
Unless you his sand/gravel or something, is it possible, at a smooth, constant speed, to slip out before the foot pegs start grinding? That is always my main fear with leaning... The lean itself doesn't worry me, I'm just scared to low-side without warning with no way of saving it
i think that barrier in other word is a fear of falling. some people lean theeir bikes enough for knee drag but they just neither know how or choose to ride in the lean with style or comfort with lean out. i got the lean angle before forming a new body postion. and then i drag knee naturaly on corners i am very familiar with. but i agree, we need to practice. practice makes those acts become a habit. then we naturally do it. oh and we need to know what to practice. and this channel is one of the great riding sources.
nice..for me why I get past my lean barrier is to know my limit, to be better prepared in case of emergency(lost of traction, miscaculated turns and etc), better cornering, tire efficiency and lastly for the adrenaline..:) and until now I want to learn more of those leaning activities that you did...I wish I'm a motojitsu black belter..hahaha
I think there are two contexts for the use of "lean angle barrier". One is in the context of the track, while the other is in the context of the street and new riders. Both are psychological and they both must be overcome, but for different reasons. On the track you want to push things to the limit, that is kind of the point. But on the street, it isn't about pushing things to the limit or scraping pegs, but about making turns like you know how to ride a motorcycle. I think the barriers are essentially the same mechanism, a fear of low siding, and overcome the same way, with practice and confidence. If you are riding on nice dry warm road around a curve and see sand on the road, you will quickly develop a lean angle barrier.:) But some new riders act that way in conditions that don't warrant it. they just won't lean the bike much at all. And it is built in fear. I agree that you don't need peg scraping lean angle bravery to ride on the street, but you do need to get past the fear of leaning moderately. If you can't lean, it is hard to ride at normal speed in many situations. Or you run off the road.
I think lean angle comes naturally with practice and courses and experimenting. If you haven't done so yet, check out my website MotoJitsu.com for my app, books, discounts, etc.
Just to add, two wheel balance skills are ok. They know counter-steering fine (at least subconsciously). They don't fall over. They just won't lean past a certain point and would rather run off the road (though they will try to stop first). Maybe it has to do with their skills mainly coming from bicycles, which don't go as fast or lean as much as motorcycles, and they need to widen that dynamic (lean) in their head.
I wish I lived somewhere that has weather like Cali. Currently stuck in a multi week long down pour and gale wind warnings. But honestly after simply practicing proper body position and little by little getting better at it I have felt the improvement and confidence to let the bike do it's thing.
I ride my FZ-07 sumo style going slow just cause it makes it easy to correct and swing back the other way as opposed to leaning off the bike. Love the tips! Always having fun trying these
I agree with everything you said in this video! In the end, it is people's mentality and how we are wired, we should first work more on our brains and beliefs, once we are clear with ourselves we should focus on actual riding and practice!
@@MotoJitsu Got the book as a gift from my friend, also downloaded the app when you announced it on YT , wish you live in Europe so I can take a 1on1 class :)
I clicked on this video because the title resonated with me. I would specifically phrase my question "how do you get over the barrier of fear of lean angle after a lowside"
Honestly, riding a bicycle. I rode a push bike for years before a motorbike. I love leaning into corners downhill and would always push it. I got onto a bike and beyond all the slow speed stuff, it felt incredibly natural to me. I know this is just my experience but I feel like it could benefit others too.
There's a big difference between getting maximum lean angle at 15mph in a car-park compared to doing it out on the road/track. At higher speeds the forces going through the tyre/bike are pretty extreme and the limit of grip is a fine line compared to sitting as upright as possible and pushing the bike down until the pegs/engine casing grounds out.
I went to an open parking..... Don't understand why leaning on the right side is more dif for me than a left turn, and I am afraid to lean that much cause i think I'm gonna fall..... Got a Benelli TRK 502 (1st bike) and it's 213Kg empty....
I been struggling with leaning but not counterweighting. I can't figure out the proper positioning to lean and not feel like I falling off my bike or holding the lean correctly and it not being super awkward disconnected from the bike or uncomfortable. I can't find how the proper body arm upper and lower body position should be and on my bike when trying to lean bike more I find my upper body countering it
When leaning the bike over a lot,but without moving my butt,just the upper body(I never did that on the street)...What do I do with my feet and arms? Do I make deliberate pressure on inside/outside of the footpegs? As I lean the bike do I push more on the handlebar on the inside,outside? Or I do none of those? I have been riding for a few years but I never gave much thought to what should be a conscious effort and what things should just be with the flow when riding faster in the twisties. The reason I am asking this,is because my understanding of the leaning purpose is to make the bike upright as possible through the corner,it would make sense to push on the outside a little bit as you turn in?
One thing that helped me tremendously was when my boyfriend took the feelers off my foot pegs. I drug my bike so much that I was afraid to lean it very far. I know the dragging isn't supposed to crash a person unless the lead is too far and the scrape too severe. The feelers didn't have any purpose but to warn a person not to lean the bike too far. Now that they're gone, I don't lean my bike too far, but I am able to lean it farther than I was without a drag.
@@MotoJitsu I was hitting them frequently in the No. Georgia mountain twisties. I ride a 2018 Triumph Speedmaster, and I drag the feelers more on this bike than any I've ever had before, especially from Dahlonega to Blairsville. If you ever get a chance to ride the No. Ga. mountain twisties, especially that stretch between Dahlonega and Blairsville, which has very banked curves, you'll drag more than usual. I used to enjoy that ride, and on this bike, I had sworn I never wanted to do it again. I don't know about other makes of bikes, but this Speedmaster really drags quite a bit. If other makes do the same, I do recommend removing the feelers.
I'd have to see it in person to see if they're very low to the ground, if they're not, something is off with your body position to make them drag in the turns a bunch
I ride a Harley FXDR. Only had it for about 2 weeks. But I feel like I can't turn for shit. If I come to a right turn in half clutch first gear, maybe 10mph and that's on the edge
I have a lean angle barrier. But in low speed manouvering. This is something I'm planning on fixing in the spring, when I can get out on the bike again.
I think for me the reason is if I happen to come into a corner faster than intended, or it’s an increasing radius turn that I didn’t expect I’m prepared to lean to bike further to get through the turn rather than cross the lane and go into oncoming traffic.
I’m in SD! My coworkers teaching me a bit on his bike after work and turning/leaning has become completely blocked in my head. I get scared then try to speed up to much. I’m taking an actual course soon so hopefully I can get more practice.
Well that Parking Lot leaning is Directional Steering lean, not Counter steering lean. So it can build confidence, but don't let muscle memory of that Parking lot stuff take over when you enter a turn at speed, you'll run wide and crash.
There is a mental barier, our instinct and the way we feel the lean with our senses. We fear that the tires would slip if we lean the bike more (low side crash). Most often most of us do not lean enough and add enough trottle to reach the point where the tires would slip... but we are afraid to do it anyway.
This is a good discussion. I remember not too long ago at a bike night some dudes comparing “chicken strips.” (I didn’t even know what that was until then…) I asked if they were doing track days and “no, but they want to some day…” Both were wearing full race suits for a street ride? I’m not hanging with these guys!
I'm in the midwest and its fast approaching winter, so in 2 days she goes up for the season. The last thing I was attempting was this. Trying to just get comfortable on the street leaning enough to take a turn is frustrating and now I have to take like 3-4 months off. @_@
:) sheesh...I couldn't do it...that's why I live here now If you haven't done so yet, check out my website MotoJitsu.com for my app, books, discounts, etc.
The main reason that I think creates this leaning doubt in people's mind is that they try to lean quickly, while it should be done gradually. They just wait for the turn to appear and lean the bike at the extreme point. That's why, Eddie keeps suggesting everyone to practice.
In Bernd Spiegel's "Upper Half of the Motorcycle" he talks about this. There's an instinctual limiter based on human evolution and history. Our minds aren't naturally set up to feel lean on a bike. So we have to overcome this via practice.
what is the best tyre pressure on a 250-300cc bike if u want to ride on street but at the same time u want to go fast and lean more? im using a yamaha R3 with pirelli rosso sport tyres front 120/70, rear 150/70 and my weight is about 57kg.. sorry for asking im just a newbie
A good video as I prepare for the track this weekend. Lighter longer braking and body positioning are my objectives I'll be working on, it also helps that I have several champ school grads and instructors at my disposal for the day!
Good video. I would like to think I'm a pretty decent beginner writer but I'm trying to get over the lean fear at higher speeds with my sports bike. Maybe a track day will fix that
Often the lean angle barrier for me is I want to know where the limit is so I can never go anywhere near it. How far can I trust my tyres? How does the suspension feel? .... I basically don't ever want to fly into a tree sideways because the bike gave out mid corner.
Thanks for making this video. I've been too happy in my comfort zone but I know I need to push it safely. Low speed parking lot drills today! Thanks again Fast Eddie!
I recommend a scooter if your that scared.. as long as your agile you can save it from low siding everytime and most of these “times” I have 1 hand on pushing it as low as possible. My scooter has nice cheap plastics and any way I drop it I’m not gonna grind a hole in the engine. Genuine Buddy 125 Stock 10inch wheels with fresh winter/soft rain block pattern A/T rubber
Those figure 8's at 2:36 are what I need to work on next. If (when) I can do that and ride with that confidence, then I know I will be able to ride just about any flat surface. Starting from a stop uphill in San Francisco is a WHOLE other pain in the arse. EDIT : Wow, so you're just doing full lock in each direction at a relatively slow speed, like 10-15mph, and in the next scene you're just adding a short straight away so it's full lock, straight, reverse full lock, repeat.
I lean the bike not me alot and like the feeling of stability the bike gives; Like being on rails. with good grip feedback and compressed suspension able to respond more quickly to bumps and dips.
My problem is that corners around me often have patches of sand on them because there is gravel roads intersecting them and the sand washes down in the rain. I've eaten pavement and gotten stitches from sand in corners on bicycle commutes over the years and it's hard to push it too hard with that in my past.
I agree with you 100% As skill set increases with hours of practice these issues take care of themselves. Practice with a plan…a plan with the end in mind.
I’ve been trying to practice on my CBR600RR and the lean angle limits are very high. I can’t find a parking lot in which I can fast enough to get maximum lean, only to further build my confidence. So the barrier exists and I suppose a track day would be the only way for me to break through it. Also, living in a mostly colder climate, I’m also afraid I may not have warm enough tires to do some of these exercises. Cheers !
Thoughts on DOT approved dual sport knobby tires and leaning? I have no fear of leaning a street tired bike around/thru corners but just picked up a dual sport and other than trial and error I haven’t found any info on the interweb. Guess I’m thinking since less contact have to be less ‘aggressive’ in my turns on pavement…at higher speeds? So far so good on the trial and error front but I’ve pushed it as far as I’m willing to without some additional knowledge.
I had K60 tires on my previous gs and road that around everywhere and in the twisties, was fine. The rider is the issue, not the bike or tires If you haven't done so yet, check out my website MotoJitsu.com for my app, books, discounts, etc.
I got my first street bike nearly six months ago. In 20+ years of dirt bike riding, I had not ever rode a street bike. Within the first week, the right side peg had to be replaced because I leaned too far, and the asphalt finder bolt thing hit the road. Scared the hell out of me when the peg felt like it bucked. I stopped and looked to see what happened and sure as sh*t the tip of the peg (about 1/3 of it) broke off. In conclusion, that's the only "lean angle barrier" I've hit.
people should understand late and early apexs' too...i see so many people crash because they'll lean too early into a late apex or visaversa... and that's real bad!
I try to lean as little as possible. I love the feeling of good body posture in a corner, i don't care how it looks. I lean way less than my buddys but we are always going the same speed, i just hang off the bike more. Yes i speed on public roads, but I'm not wreckless. I only take a corner faster if 1) I already took that road and noticed/inspected there are no hazards on the road (gravel and such) and 2) if there is no oncoming traffuc or a car close behind me/in front of me. I know the risk. But wirh that said, i lean the required amount to get trough the corner at the speed I'm going, nothing more.
If you make fun of lean angle barrier you simply have not thought of a scenario where the fear is justified. My front tyre gave out when I had incorrect lean angle on my big adventure bike. You have to lean way more forward on the bigger front wheel I have. I only learnt this from pro rider
I read the title of this video and didn't understand it. What fear can there be, if you are on a bike in the first place? If you turn anywhere with a bit of a smaller radius, you must lean the bike some. What I might understand is leaning the bike so much, that 1. you are going through a corner faster than your "normal" limits say is safe or 2. you want to lean more, but at your normal "within limits" pace. Both are bad situations about to happen. The simple answer is, if you want to keep you and your bike safe, don't come near that limit and enjoy the lean you can do. If you really want to lean more (i.e. go faster than normal), do it at a track day, where at least you have the least risk to be hurt (but you still can get seriously hurt).
Thank you Fast Eddie. I have a question if you have a moment to answer. The faster you go the more you can lean? Example if I go around a curve at 20mph vs 35mph does the increase speed give me ability to lean at higher angle due to physics? I worry if I don’t have enough speed I don’t need to lean as much if going faster.
Thank you. Last thing I promise (about to buy a book from you) do you cover your front brake when riding curve roads? I watched awesome video several times you linked to this video but could not tell if you always cover your front brake. Thanks
the increased speed REQUIRES more lean not, can I lean more. use the techniques for reducing lean angel, (like body position), lean angle equals more risk. only you can asses your risk level.
Well said, great commentary, I would add make sure you keep that maintenance throttle. I forgot it once that on my training session. Don't know the smell of blue but I know forest's smell of. Air freshner)))
I'm sure I read somewhere that humans naturally have a lean angle barrier of about 20 degrees, which is the most a person will lean when running. Psychologicaly we have a fear of leaning further than 20 because of a naturally learned fear from walking and running. Is that not the case? It made sense to me.
my problem is i don't have a bike I'd be ok with dropping, most riders would agree, if i had an old beater bike to use i would push myself more, but I'm not doing that on a 15 to 20 thousand dollar motorcycle
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I hear you with not wanting to drop the bike BUT, that doesn’t mean we can ignor practicing. As Greg says, get crash bars. I ve spent numerous hours going around cones and have dropped my bike once in two years. That’s practicing a minimum of once a week and often three times/week. In that case the after market engine guards did their job.
I have a problem with my lean barrier, i'm used to sport bikes but I start to work with express deliveries in a yamaha Nmax 125 and I fell, now i'm afraid to lean on my own ninja because I don't wanna scratch it and when I lean it looks like i'm gonna fall.
I'm a fairly new rider and I found that I was tensing by back/hip around corners without realising it. I had to consciously relax those muscles to do a corner well.
I truly appreciate your videos. I have ordered engine guards in advance of picking up my new-to-me bike, so I will be ready to practice my low-speed maneuvers. Also signed up for ChampU. Thanks, moto-sensei!
I learned the hard way by low siding across the road (lucky there were no cars behind me at the time) that roads where I live are terrible and leaning too much will easily lose traction and cause a slide. So I'm going to sadly accept my chicken strips.
Same mate. Had zero issues till I moved to the country, bought low cc bike a bike with thin wheels, rode on the shitty country roads and took a nice slide while going round a roundabout of all places. New fear unlocked and haven’t been able to get over it since.
Well, I don't really agree on this one. I have been riding dirt bikes in my youth and this did build a very low lean angle barrier in my mind. The memory is still acute of when an offroad tire reaches its limits on road... After nearly two years of road bike practice riding I am just starting to feel confident enough in my tires grip..and it is probably not any close to the limit. I was very scared of leaning the bike past a certain point and it was making my riding unsafe because I was very fast switching to panic mode anytime I was entering a corner a bit too fast. I know that leaning the bike more has its limits too, but getting past the lean angle barrier is something I had to do for my safety...and it was not piece of cake.
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Hello Motojitsu, thank you for all your wonderful videos. I have a question in regards to counter steering say, I’m in a corner and I need to add more lean do I still use the principle of push right to go right to add further lean or do I use body weight to lean the bike more?
I just want to learn how to lean more to save my but just I case I’m coming in to hot I can save it
Riding should never be about impressing others - only about enjoying the freedom of riding on two wheels, and riding safely with a clear, and focused mind.
should isn't always reality
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It's more fun impressing yourself.
That’s 100% fact.
Agreed...you are your own ride everytime.... unfortunately the reality is many succumb to peer pressure and end up riding above their skill level in a group taking on unnecessary risks. 😕
But, there is something fun about a long wheelie 😎
The low speed turn with the hand casually dragging WITH A PASSENGER.
I’m gonna shut up and practice.
Kudos
:)
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I like doing the one handed . I just am not ballsy enough to do with a passenger XD . he is far better than I am
@@LITTLEBRAT775081 also depends who the passenger is. i have a 100+ Kg friend with zero discipline i would never do anything with him behind me.
It depends 😂 for example my wife is way heavier than me. I’ll not try to go Low 🤣
For me, learning to lean my bike more in a corner isn't about showing off, or riding like a squid/hooligan, it's about expanding my safety envelope. The faster and sharper I can take a corner safely and confidently, the more options I have in an emergency situation. Also that added (and legitimately earned) confidence will just make riding more enjoyable.
I'll practice this in the hospital parking lot...
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Lmaoooo
Or a motorcycle body repair shop 😂
Thats why i love going straight to the comment section,hahahaha i laughed
The 'lean angle barrier' is mental, IMO. (It's analogous to 'writer's block.') It stems from the fear, the risk, of possibly dropping the bike or losing traction, and getting hurt. I think it's a reasonable feeling to have. But as you say and demonstrate, the barrier can be lowered with practice.
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Having good gear can help bring relief to the mind. At least for me, wearing gear when practicing these techniques greatly reduces the mental barrier
The lean angle barrier is a natural instinct most legged mamals show (horses, giraffes, etc.) and it is to protect you from falls. Now with something so unnatural like motorcycling, this protection becomes a barrier and makes people ride less safe.
The good thing is, we can untrain this natural behaviour and increase our safety while riding as the video demonstrates.
@QUICK-STAR Ah the internet, where even adolescents can have a voice.
The challenge is that practicing and gradually pushing the envelope further on how aggressively one takes a corner is still just a fancy way of saying "trial and error". When the "error" part of the equation means $500+ in damage to my bike and a free date with my local ER doctor, it's just not a good risk/reward balance. Sadly, I know of no other way to develop that skill, so my wallet says that I will never get really good at cornering.
A big help for me was when I would ride behind others faster than me, and be able to visualize how much they were leaning in a corner. That helped me realize how little I was actually leaning and much more I could safely go. And of course lots of practicing which helped leaning feel more natural.
I had this aswell but it's not a good indicator unless all other variables are equivalent. On a 650 with a 160 rear tyre you require much less lean at the same speed (given same body position) than say an R1 with a 200 width rear tyre, that's just tyre dynamics, then the same also applies if they have Sporty tyres with aggressive profiles like a Michelin Power Cup vs A Michelin Road 5. On Continental Road Attack 3s I was going well past the curved edge of the tyre where it started getting real skittish, doing same manoeuvre with slightly higher speed, same body position, Road 5s would have 1cm chicken strips, doing the same on Pirelli Rosso 3s, 2cm chicken strips. Obviously with these tyres you have slightly more clearance than the CRA3 and that's something to keep in mind, you have to adapt your riding position to not push your tyres past THEIR limit which ultimately limits how far the bike can lean over.
I always use as little lean as possible when riding in public. Also become quite comfortable with my old 1994 CBR600 F2 as a newish rider after I figured out how to translate decades of bycycle/BMX riding into a motorcycle (quite different in weight,power delivery and how to operate it). It's a really flickable bike when you know what you're doing and the power is amazing (even though it's not beating modern RR bikes - still beasts most cars by far). No ABS or even fuel injection, just the sweet sound of flames being shot out the Vampire exhaust while downshifting within ideal engine temps. That sweet purr cruising at 3-3,5K rpm when she's warm is just incomparable to a modern bikes and their strict requirements.
I had a "lean angle barrier" in my first weeks riding, it happened after I scared myself scraping the pegs in a relatively wide slow turn. After watching videos and practicing I realized I was counter-leaning. Getting a feel for the bike at low speeds really helps tremendously!
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For me personally, i was leaning normally before I felt few times on an oil spot or sand surface.
So now I stopped trusting the road and make simple turns at 15 kph because I don't want to lean the bike. So the treatment would be to learn how to analyse the road and to be sure that i can make a turn with minimum risk
That low lean speed turn with a passenger is in another high level skill.. thats a real skill not just someone trying to knee drag while the bike is still upright..
this video is sooo appropriate for me right now!!! yesterday, for the first time ever, I dragged knee (for like 1 millisecond) in my local parking lot! which I never would have been able to do if it weren't for your MotoJitsu drills. Thanks for your tips Fast Eddie! # ShutUpAndPractice
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I know what u r doing yet I'm letting u reprogram my brain, I just love the way that u drill it in, now let me get rid of my lean angle illusion. Thanks.
You can call it whatever you want, but lean angle barriers exist with new riders. I would say almost all new riders experience it to some degree. This video offers excellent ways to overcome that fear of leaning to be able to ride at a safe and normal manner through corners and on the street. Or, as usual, the answer is to practice, ride more and learn as much as you can. For most people it has nothing to do wtih ego or impressing other people (of course there are always those types out there) but wanting to be safer and be able to take corners normally.
I don't agree...new riders are just new...don't know anything yet and need time to experiment and practice.
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Excellent tutorial and just to add on: if you're pushing your envelope on the public roads, know that road and pavement first! Know if or where gravel might be, know the camber of the turns, and know that there isn't any oil slicks.
I don't recommend pushing anything on public roads
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@@MotoJitsu fair enough! After writing the Original comment I kinda double guessed if I should have even said that. Downloaded your app this week and really like the drills. Thanks
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My interest in leaning forward, is less so I can go faster, and more so I can learn my bike. When practicing in a parking lot, theres an angle of lean where my gut tells me to immediately stop leaning further, and that pushes me wide at times. Its a remnant from my motorized bicycle days, where the tires I had were bicycle tires that I didnt trust to remain consistent. Upshot is I always leave more grip available for emergencies, downside is, my body wont let me use it. I've even almost blown corners and ran wide because of that. I hesitate to call it a fear, but, it somewhat is. I know leaning further = increased danger, I've drilled that into my head slightly too much.
My goal in riding is to master my bike. I want to get to a level of comfort with my bike where nothing it does scares me. I was more or less at that point with my motorized bikes. I knew how to stabilize the frame in a corner so it didnt wallow or move off line, I learned how to threshold brake exceedingly well, I learned how to move around at near 0 mph and maintian balance. I was at the point where I could keep up with propper motorcycles simply because I didnt have to let off the throttle in the corners, I just had to tip it in with my hips and hold the frame steady.
there is a natural lean angle barrier for extreme beginners at around 20° wich is the natural maximum lean angle you take while running. Otherwise it s not relevant unless you ride an harley breakout and you don't live in the US where there are no turns, and twisties are what we considers express ways in europe.
My lean barrier has come in handy multiple times when I all of a sudden had to lean even more (oncoming traffic coming into my lane). I'll keep it thank you, on the street it is better not to ride on the edge and have a margin.
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bmp72 the presence of your lean angle barrier is limiting your safety because it limits your ability to turn tighter to avoid traffic drifting into your lane.
@@georgeleavell4465 but this is my point. If I increase my lean angle barrier I will have nothing left in the case you describe. By not leaning too much in normal driving there is room to lean more in case of emergency.
@@bmp72 I think you are misunderstanding or misusing the term "lean angle barrier." A lean angle barrier is an an artificial, psychological, usually fear based, unnecessary limit as to how far you can actually lean the bike and that limits your ability to turn tighter.
Choosing to not lean further so you can lean further, if needed, is NOT a lean angle barrier and is an excellent riding practice because you want to always have the ability to turn tighter available to you.
Practise offroad too. You cant lean the same as on asphalt. But you can still race around high speed corners offroad just gotta keep the bike upright for traction.
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Practicing the slow speed close turns took away my fear of leaning the bike . Before I be ever ride a motorcycle I was scared just by seeing other people lean their bikes 🤣 thankfully I've come a long way thnx to you.
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If you have safe place to practice, good gripy surface and you are not able to pass your lean angle barrier, then try to pull down (meaning trying to drop your bike to the ground) your bike by leaning more by pulling, then you understand, you are probably not even capable to drop your bike just because you want. But if you have 10k+ price bike, then it is not leaning barrier, but money barrier :)
Unless you his sand/gravel or something, is it possible, at a smooth, constant speed, to slip out before the foot pegs start grinding? That is always my main fear with leaning... The lean itself doesn't worry me, I'm just scared to low-side without warning with no way of saving it
Thanks I am a new rider. I have motorcycle anxiety, especially going through a turn. This video gives me some hope.
i think that barrier in other word is a fear of falling. some people lean theeir bikes enough for knee drag but they just neither know how or choose to ride in the lean with style or comfort with lean out. i got the lean angle before forming a new body postion. and then i drag knee naturaly on corners i am very familiar with. but i agree, we need to practice. practice makes those acts become a habit. then we naturally do it. oh and we need to know what to practice. and this channel is one of the great riding sources.
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nice..for me why I get past my lean barrier is to know my limit, to be better prepared in case of emergency(lost of traction, miscaculated turns and etc), better cornering, tire efficiency and lastly for the adrenaline..:)
and until now I want to learn more of those leaning activities that you did...I wish I'm a motojitsu black belter..hahaha
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I think there are two contexts for the use of "lean angle barrier". One is in the context of the track, while the other is in the context of the street and new riders. Both are psychological and they both must be overcome, but for different reasons. On the track you want to push things to the limit, that is kind of the point. But on the street, it isn't about pushing things to the limit or scraping pegs, but about making turns like you know how to ride a motorcycle. I think the barriers are essentially the same mechanism, a fear of low siding, and overcome the same way, with practice and confidence. If you are riding on nice dry warm road around a curve and see sand on the road, you will quickly develop a lean angle barrier.:) But some new riders act that way in conditions that don't warrant it. they just won't lean the bike much at all. And it is built in fear. I agree that you don't need peg scraping lean angle bravery to ride on the street, but you do need to get past the fear of leaning moderately. If you can't lean, it is hard to ride at normal speed in many situations. Or you run off the road.
I think lean angle comes naturally with practice and courses and experimenting.
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Just to add, two wheel balance skills are ok. They know counter-steering fine (at least subconsciously). They don't fall over. They just won't lean past a certain point and would rather run off the road (though they will try to stop first). Maybe it has to do with their skills mainly coming from bicycles, which don't go as fast or lean as much as motorcycles, and they need to widen that dynamic (lean) in their head.
I wish I lived somewhere that has weather like Cali. Currently stuck in a multi week long down pour and gale wind warnings. But honestly after simply practicing proper body position and little by little getting better at it I have felt the improvement and confidence to let the bike do it's thing.
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I ride my FZ-07 sumo style going slow just cause it makes it easy to correct and swing back the other way as opposed to leaning off the bike.
Love the tips! Always having fun trying these
Same. Fz07 gang lol except I started riding not too long ago and I can lean left but not right. Feels like I’m going to slide the bike.
I agree with everything you said in this video! In the end, it is people's mentality and how we are wired, we should first work more on our brains and beliefs, once we are clear with ourselves we should focus on actual riding and practice!
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@@MotoJitsu Got the book as a gift from my friend, also downloaded the app when you announced it on YT , wish you live in Europe so I can take a 1on1 class :)
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Lean angle is the result of good riding techniques. It’s never a goal.
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Best explanation I’ve heard! Thank you soo much! Next warm day (Ohio) I’m going and practicing low speed drills on my Gixxer. 😊
I clicked on this video because the title resonated with me. I would specifically phrase my question "how do you get over the barrier of fear of lean angle after a lowside"
Honestly, riding a bicycle. I rode a push bike for years before a motorbike. I love leaning into corners downhill and would always push it. I got onto a bike and beyond all the slow speed stuff, it felt incredibly natural to me. I know this is just my experience but I feel like it could benefit others too.
There's a big difference between getting maximum lean angle at 15mph in a car-park compared to doing it out on the road/track. At higher speeds the forces going through the tyre/bike are pretty extreme and the limit of grip is a fine line compared to sitting as upright as possible and pushing the bike down until the pegs/engine casing grounds out.
I went to an open parking..... Don't understand why leaning on the right side is more dif for me than a left turn, and I am afraid to lean that much cause i think I'm gonna fall..... Got a Benelli TRK 502 (1st bike) and it's 213Kg empty....
Same here
Been out with my bike for like 5 times, very disappointed, the last time had to walk it turning right because I couldn't 😢😢
Can't believe how jealous I am of all your car parks. Living in Tokyo, I'd have to travel an hour just to find a space wide enough for a U-turn.
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I been struggling with leaning but not counterweighting. I can't figure out the proper positioning to lean and not feel like I falling off my bike or holding the lean correctly and it not being super awkward disconnected from the bike or uncomfortable. I can't find how the proper body arm upper and lower body position should be and on my bike when trying to lean bike more I find my upper body countering it
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When leaning the bike over a lot,but without moving my butt,just the upper body(I never did that on the street)...What do I do with my feet and arms? Do I make deliberate pressure on inside/outside of the footpegs? As I lean the bike do I push more on the handlebar on the inside,outside? Or I do none of those? I have been riding for a few years but I never gave much thought to what should be a conscious effort and what things should just be with the flow when riding faster in the twisties. The reason I am asking this,is because my understanding of the leaning purpose is to make the bike upright as possible through the corner,it would make sense to push on the outside a little bit as you turn in?
One thing that helped me tremendously was when my boyfriend took the feelers off my foot pegs. I drug my bike so much that I was afraid to lean it very far. I know the dragging isn't supposed to crash a person unless the lead is too far and the scrape too severe. The feelers didn't have any purpose but to warn a person not to lean the bike too far. Now that they're gone, I don't lean my bike too far, but I am able to lean it farther than I was without a drag.
If you're hitting those feelers on the street, that's an issue...unless you're doing low speed stuff and touching them.
@@MotoJitsu I was hitting them frequently in the No. Georgia mountain twisties. I ride a 2018 Triumph Speedmaster, and I drag the feelers more on this bike than any I've ever had before, especially from Dahlonega to Blairsville. If you ever get a chance to ride the No. Ga. mountain twisties, especially that stretch between Dahlonega and Blairsville, which has very banked curves, you'll drag more than usual. I used to enjoy that ride, and on this bike, I had sworn I never wanted to do it again. I don't know about other makes of bikes, but this Speedmaster really drags quite a bit. If other makes do the same, I do recommend removing the feelers.
I'd have to see it in person to see if they're very low to the ground, if they're not, something is off with your body position to make them drag in the turns a bunch
I’m a new rider, this was helpful. I have a lot of practicing to do.
I ride a Harley FXDR. Only had it for about 2 weeks. But I feel like I can't turn for shit. If I come to a right turn in half clutch first gear, maybe 10mph and that's on the edge
I have a lean angle barrier. But in low speed manouvering. This is something I'm planning on fixing in the spring, when I can get out on the bike again.
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Basically practice practice practice that's the answer 🙂 thanks a lot mate and greetings from the UK
I think for me the reason is if I happen to come into a corner faster than intended, or it’s an increasing radius turn that I didn’t expect I’m prepared to lean to bike further to get through the turn rather than cross the lane and go into oncoming traffic.
The reactive vs proactive
I’m in SD! My coworkers teaching me a bit on his bike after work and turning/leaning has become completely blocked in my head. I get scared then try to speed up to much. I’m taking an actual course soon so hopefully I can get more practice.
Well that Parking Lot leaning is Directional Steering lean, not Counter steering lean. So it can build confidence, but don't let muscle memory of that Parking lot stuff take over when you enter a turn at speed, you'll run wide and crash.
I agree that it could be lack of practice. For me it's the fear of leaning too much, or not enough when riding on curvey road..
There is a mental barier, our instinct and the way we feel the lean with our senses. We fear that the tires would slip if we lean the bike more (low side crash). Most often most of us do not lean enough and add enough trottle to reach the point where the tires would slip... but we are afraid to do it anyway.
And this video is how to get over it
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Nope, you're wrong. There is no mental barrier to leaning a motorcycle.
This is a good discussion. I remember not too long ago at a bike night some dudes comparing “chicken strips.” (I didn’t even know what that was until then…) I asked if they were doing track days and “no, but they want to some day…”
Both were wearing full race suits for a street ride? I’m not hanging with these guys!
I mean a full racing suit for street riding is about as safe of gear as you can possibly have while riding on the public roads.
I'm in the midwest and its fast approaching winter, so in 2 days she goes up for the season. The last thing I was attempting was this. Trying to just get comfortable on the street leaning enough to take a turn is frustrating and now I have to take like 3-4 months off. @_@
:) sheesh...I couldn't do it...that's why I live here now
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The main reason that I think creates this leaning doubt in people's mind is that they try to lean quickly, while it should be done gradually. They just wait for the turn to appear and lean the bike at the extreme point. That's why, Eddie keeps suggesting everyone to practice.
In Bernd Spiegel's "Upper Half of the Motorcycle" he talks about this. There's an instinctual limiter based on human evolution and history. Our minds aren't naturally set up to feel lean on a bike. So we have to overcome this via practice.
:) more practice is right
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Absolutely magic to watch, I feel like a raw beginner when your demonstrations - your the man. Thank you.
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dude please make a video if it is better to lean the bike more or lean the body more in a hairpin.
what is the best tyre pressure on a 250-300cc bike if u want to ride on street but at the same time u want to go fast and lean more? im using a yamaha R3 with pirelli rosso sport tyres front 120/70, rear 150/70 and my weight is about 57kg.. sorry for asking im just a newbie
A good video as I prepare for the track this weekend. Lighter longer braking and body positioning are my objectives I'll be working on, it also helps that I have several champ school grads and instructors at my disposal for the day!
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Good video. I would like to think I'm a pretty decent beginner writer but I'm trying to get over the lean fear at higher speeds with my sports bike. Maybe a track day will fix that
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Often the lean angle barrier for me is I want to know where the limit is so I can never go anywhere near it. How far can I trust my tyres? How does the suspension feel? .... I basically don't ever want to fly into a tree sideways because the bike gave out mid corner.
Thanks for making this video. I've been too happy in my comfort zone but I know I need to push it safely. Low speed parking lot drills today! Thanks again Fast Eddie!
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What bike is it at 2:23? Looks great.
I recommend a scooter if your that scared.. as long as your agile you can save it from low siding everytime and most of these “times” I have 1 hand on pushing it as low as possible. My scooter has nice cheap plastics and any way I drop it I’m not gonna grind a hole in the engine.
Genuine Buddy 125
Stock 10inch wheels with fresh winter/soft rain block pattern A/T rubber
Those figure 8's at 2:36 are what I need to work on next. If (when) I can do that and ride with that confidence, then I know I will be able to ride just about any flat surface.
Starting from a stop uphill in San Francisco is a WHOLE other pain in the arse. EDIT : Wow, so you're just doing full lock in each direction at a relatively slow speed, like 10-15mph, and in the next scene you're just adding a short straight away so it's full lock, straight, reverse full lock, repeat.
I lean the bike not me alot and like the feeling of stability the bike gives; Like being on rails.
with good grip feedback and compressed suspension able to respond more quickly to bumps and dips.
My problem is that corners around me often have patches of sand on them because there is gravel roads intersecting them and the sand washes down in the rain. I've eaten pavement and gotten stitches from sand in corners on bicycle commutes over the years and it's hard to push it too hard with that in my past.
Of course you'd change your line and what not depending on your current situation/traction levels
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I agree with you 100% As skill set increases with hours of practice these issues take care of themselves. Practice with a plan…a plan with the end in mind.
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great video and tips ! thanks and cheers from Croatia
4:27-4:36, why rider escape from turn with shoulders and head?
I’ve been trying to practice on my CBR600RR and the lean angle limits are very high. I can’t find a parking lot in which I can fast enough to get maximum lean, only to further build my confidence. So the barrier exists and I suppose a track day would be the only way for me to break through it. Also, living in a mostly colder climate, I’m also afraid I may not have warm enough tires to do some of these exercises. Cheers !
more courses, track days...practice...yes yes yes!
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Thoughts on DOT approved dual sport knobby tires and leaning? I have no fear of leaning a street tired bike around/thru corners but just picked up a dual sport and other than trial and error I haven’t found any info on the interweb. Guess I’m thinking since less contact have to be less ‘aggressive’ in my turns on pavement…at higher speeds? So far so good on the trial and error front but I’ve pushed it as far as I’m willing to without some additional knowledge.
I had K60 tires on my previous gs and road that around everywhere and in the twisties, was fine. The rider is the issue, not the bike or tires
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@@MotoJitsu appreciate the feedback!
Knobby tyres are not meant for leaning far on asphalt.
How do you teach trust in tire grip?
I got my first street bike nearly six months ago. In 20+ years of dirt bike riding, I had not ever rode a street bike. Within the first week, the right side peg had to be replaced because I leaned too far, and the asphalt finder bolt thing hit the road. Scared the hell out of me when the peg felt like it bucked. I stopped and looked to see what happened and sure as sh*t the tip of the peg (about 1/3 of it) broke off. In conclusion, that's the only "lean angle barrier" I've hit.
Always look where you want the bike to go, you naturally get the feel of the bike on figure of eight turns.
people should understand late and early apexs' too...i see so many people crash because they'll lean too early into a late apex or visaversa... and that's real bad!
Well said bud! Thanks for the lesson!
I try to lean as little as possible. I love the feeling of good body posture in a corner, i don't care how it looks. I lean way less than my buddys but we are always going the same speed, i just hang off the bike more.
Yes i speed on public roads, but I'm not wreckless.
I only take a corner faster if
1) I already took that road and noticed/inspected there are no hazards on the road (gravel and such) and
2) if there is no oncoming traffuc or a car close behind me/in front of me.
I know the risk.
But wirh that said, i lean the required amount to get trough the corner at the speed I'm going, nothing more.
Any courses in san deigo that provide bikes? Started riding back in 2018 but havent rode since 2020. Only in San Diego till end of April. Great Vids!!
If you make fun of lean angle barrier you simply have not thought of a scenario where the fear is justified. My front tyre gave out when I had incorrect lean angle on my big adventure bike. You have to lean way more forward on the bigger front wheel I have. I only learnt this from pro rider
Just did my first track day, first day ever riding a sportbike and learned REALLY quick, more lean requires more throttle and more belief in yourself
The color blue smells great! It smells just like an underground solar system inside an astronomical microorganism.
I read the title of this video and didn't understand it. What fear can there be, if you are on a bike in the first place? If you turn anywhere with a bit of a smaller radius, you must lean the bike some. What I might understand is leaning the bike so much, that 1. you are going through a corner faster than your "normal" limits say is safe or 2. you want to lean more, but at your normal "within limits" pace. Both are bad situations about to happen. The simple answer is, if you want to keep you and your bike safe, don't come near that limit and enjoy the lean you can do. If you really want to lean more (i.e. go faster than normal), do it at a track day, where at least you have the least risk to be hurt (but you still can get seriously hurt).
My goal is to be able to turn a corner properly without freezing mid turn and end up off the road.
Thank you Fast Eddie. I have a question if you have a moment to answer. The faster you go the more you can lean? Example if I go around a curve at 20mph vs 35mph does the increase speed give me ability to lean at higher angle due to physics? I worry if I don’t have enough speed I don’t need to lean as much if going faster.
yup
Thank you. Last thing I promise (about to buy a book from you) do you cover your front brake when riding curve roads? I watched awesome video several times you linked to this video but could not tell if you always cover your front brake. Thanks
Never mind about front brake I see you have a full video about it. About to watch it! Thanks man! You a hero teaching us how to ride fast and safe!
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the increased speed REQUIRES more lean not, can I lean more. use the techniques for reducing lean angel, (like body position), lean angle equals more risk. only you can asses your risk level.
Well said, great commentary, I would add make sure you keep that maintenance throttle. I forgot it once that on my training session. Don't know the smell of blue but I know forest's smell of. Air freshner)))
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I'm sure I read somewhere that humans naturally have a lean angle barrier of about 20 degrees, which is the most a person will lean when running. Psychologicaly we have a fear of leaning further than 20 because of a naturally learned fear from walking and running. Is that not the case? It made sense to me.
whatever is in a book won't help without you practicing
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How do i get the bike to stand upright again after knee draging? What do i do with the handle bar, the throttle and my body position? Thanks !
counter steer
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What parking lot are you in for the first 00:38 of the video? Also, is that a M109 at 1:10 mark?
San Diego somewhere, yes
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my problem is i don't have a bike I'd be ok with dropping, most riders would agree, if i had an old beater bike to use i would push myself more, but I'm not doing that on a 15 to 20 thousand dollar motorcycle
get crash bars and practice...you don't need a beater, you need to spend more time on your bike
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I hear you with not wanting to drop the bike BUT, that doesn’t mean we can ignor practicing. As Greg says, get crash bars. I ve spent numerous hours going around cones and have dropped my bike once in two years. That’s practicing a minimum of once a week and often three times/week. In that case the after market engine guards did their job.
I have a problem with my lean barrier, i'm used to sport bikes but I start to work with express deliveries in a yamaha Nmax 125 and I fell, now i'm afraid to lean on my own ninja because I don't wanna scratch it and when I lean it looks like i'm gonna fall.
Is it harder to leaning on bigger bikes I can get my knees down on the 400
I'm a fairly new rider and I found that I was tensing by back/hip around corners without realising it. I had to consciously relax those muscles to do a corner well.
yes...relaxation while riding with come with time and using your legs more :)
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my biggest fear is dropping and low siding or denting my tank since they are expensive to replace
I truly appreciate your videos. I have ordered engine guards in advance of picking up my new-to-me bike, so I will be ready to practice my low-speed maneuvers. Also signed up for ChampU. Thanks, moto-sensei!
I'm struggling SO MUCH with throttle control. Until I have that down, leaning will never come naturally, without fear.
I learned the hard way by low siding across the road (lucky there were no cars behind me at the time) that roads where I live are terrible and leaning too much will easily lose traction and cause a slide. So I'm going to sadly accept my chicken strips.
that'll do it
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Same mate. Had zero issues till I moved to the country, bought low cc bike a bike with thin wheels, rode on the shitty country roads and took a nice slide while going round a roundabout of all places. New fear unlocked and haven’t been able to get over it since.
Well, I don't really agree on this one. I have been riding dirt bikes in my youth and this did build a very low lean angle barrier in my mind. The memory is still acute of when an offroad tire reaches its limits on road...
After nearly two years of road bike practice riding I am just starting to feel confident enough in my tires grip..and it is probably not any close to the limit. I was very scared of leaning the bike past a certain point and it was making my riding unsafe because I was very fast switching to panic mode anytime I was entering a corner a bit too fast.
I know that leaning the bike more has its limits too, but getting past the lean angle barrier is something I had to do for my safety...and it was not piece of cake.
more courses, more practice....
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I just lean further to the left than right and I just wanna improve it.
Amazing breakdown 💯 A1 analysis