I absolutely loathe Embiid as a player. I do believe his injuries make it hard for him to play against Jokic in Denver with the exception to 2023. However, it is reasonable for people to be critical of Embiid ducking. Once you've shown that you are willing to duck a single game, as a fan I'm gonna assume you might duck smoke. A person can say 100 sentences. If one of those sentences is a lie, who cares about the other 99 truths? This whole Embiid situation is a 2-sided fence and the average fan is tired of it. The best thing to do is to move on from Embiid and let him just fade away and turn to dust and promote other rivalries because it's been made clear for years that the man can't stay healthy long enough for a real rivalry to brew. That's like trying to create a Curry/Rose rivalry and Rose is always hurt. It's not possible.
People will critcize Shai if your already comparing him to Harden, Wade & Kobe. If you think that's unfair, then don't jump the gun on his career rankings.
His career ranking is not at play here. His level of play is. He is as good as any shooting guard that’s ever played outside Jordan and is having a regular season that’s debatably better than any outside Jordan. Still not better den jokic tho
@@mayowaojutalayo853 Jordan had regular seasons better than the one shai is having right now. Outside him shais regular season is comparable to everyone else that played the 2 gaurd This doesn’t mean shai is better than everyone as high level playoff translation is how player impact are evaluated but he could be….
Im a Nuggets fan and I don't think Embiid is scared. I do however believe he doesn't want to face Jokic unless he has an advantage. Over the years he only plays Jokic when he is at home or if Denver is on a back to back. Embiid has always been a ftont runner. He will play 37min against terrible teams like Washington to pad his number i.e. get big games and pick 2nd night of double doubles or pick not to play the better teams. He picks and chooses based on if he has the high ground. He isnt a competitor hes a front runner.
The players drive interest. The players are why we watch. Jimmy Butler has done his job better than Pat Riley has done HIS job over the past 5 years. Simple. Mickey Arison is worth nearly 10 billion dollars. He bought the Heat for 32.5 million dollars. They're worth 4.25 billion today. That means the Heat today are worth 140 times MORE than what he paid. But we can't pay Jimmy a little bit? We're cutting corners on legacy contracts for Wade? Come on now. Capping for billionaires while they're trying to squeeze pennies from millionaires is nuts.
@@pensarebasketball There would be no league if it wasn’t for these billionaires these millionaires can be replaced, I suggest they shut up and dribble.
@ lol Jimmy is not rarer than Mickey. There are a lot more really good basketball players than there are people worth 8 billion. Mickey can replace Jimmy but Jimmy can’t replace Mickey.
@@BIGOXMedia there are over 300 people in the world worth more money than Mickey Arison. There are maybe 15-17 players in the world better at basketball than Jimmy. Pay attention big guy, might learn something.
Two things can be true at once ppl can fall short yes Penn but that’s not a green light to let down those who support aka Heat fans and supporters as a individual i understand but as a ball player he’s letting Miami down and his teammates which also is why he got where he is
Yall want me to cap for millionaires but why can’t I cap for billionaires? I’m a 3 dollarnaire so a millionaire and a billionaire is all the same to me.
@@darwinsanchez4842yes lets sit them and not have their bodies adjust to playing physical during the soft regular season. And play them 40 mins in a grueling playoffs because apparently they will hold up there lmaooo. You dudes are delusional
FYI Bucks are 8th in defensive rating and have a 2 - 0 record against the Pacers. 1 of which was a blow out and the other Giannis and Dame werent fully healthy
@ Luncho you been on my line for a few weeks now. You must have really had your feathers ruffled if you’re crazy enough to come for me. Well I’m here for it brotha, BRING THE RUCKUS!!!!
@ Luncho don’t get in these comments lying. Nobody has ever clicked the link on the graveyard shift and not been allowed to come on stage, I don’t do that.
I took the over on SGA, under on Trae assists and the under on Lamelo. Hit 3 again. Thank you Pen. The Scottie assist overs haven't failed yet. Need Swipacam to address his 100% guarantee on Shai under tomorrow because SGA might be on track for 50 right now.
😅 I was trolling Ron on Playback about his emotional Trae pick. Utah's size and their inclination to play well against better teams was always going to require a bigger effort from SGA. Glad you caught me pushing back on those two picks.
Both players were drafted in 2014 and Jokic has played like 300 more games than Embiid in his career. I don't care how good you are on the court if you miss 40% of your games. Embiid will never sniff a Conference Finals and that's unfortunate but he brought a lot of it on himself by not taking care of his body.
And on top of that, Joker played another year in Europe, and was on the bench for 2 years until he became a full time starter and he still has played like 3 or 4 full seasons more then emduck
Ox is 1000000 percent right about pushing for the playoffs for the 76ers.. trusting the process has developed a culture of losing and cooper flagg isn't gonna change that..
The “dawg” conversation is so silly. The reality is we attribute things to these players depending on how good they are. If Jokic was averaging 15 points.. we’d be criticizing him for being too laid back. If SGA was averaging 15, we’d be saying he worries too much about instagram captions.
It really just depends on what you've done lately and how people feel about you at the moment. Jimmy is a dawg when he's leading the Heat to the Finals, but he's a crybaby when he has problems with the organization type shi
@@BlkStar99right, its no winning with players. I now understand why folks like kd etc be talking shit online. Mfs pick and choose when to accept something
@ exactly. Draymond is the engine when he is averaging triple doubles in the finals. Now he is problematic and out of control. Like he literally was calling LeBron a b**** in the finals 😂
There is so much irony in how sports fans, especially basketball fans, try to analyze “intangibles” and what players do and don’t have them and to what degree. Intangibles are things you can’t measure. You don’t just watch the games and listen to behind the scenes stories from teamates and be able to judge who has more dawg or killer instinct.
Ox is a bad panelist and he's capping for old ass pat riley HE DID NOTHING for buckets its like players should never complain or suggest something to team to be better. All championship contender teams are making moves and his richass can't afford to sign 2nd or 3rd option to team?? What are you stupid?? He can't always roll the dice and expect to win when he's not doing anything to get higher chances on winning. L for Little ox. He always saying he wants to watch good basketball but does not want anything good for miami basketball. Get off pat riley's meat y'all.
@@joshuabuhangin1900 And youre an L viewer. Get off of Jimmy’s 🥩. They made it to 2 finals in the Jimmy butler era and were one shot away from a 3rd. If you think the teams weren’t competitive or at least competent then I’m curious to know exactly where in the top 20 all time list do you have Jimmy Butler.
@@BIGOXMediaif they were good enough to get over the hump and win they would’ve. The proof is in the results. All their rivals in their conference got better. Pat has done amazing with the underrated guys with lesser name value like you said, but its been clear since 2020 they needed a little more fire power to make that last leap.
@@blitzandgoo the Suns went to the finals in 21 and haven’t sniffed the finals since they went and made a whole bunch of moves and have nothing to show for it. The Nets made moves have nothing to show for it, Sixers have nothing to show for it. The Heat are more successful than all of those teams. Pat has clearly done something right.
@@BIGOXMedia you’re right and look at what the heat have done, also no ring just like them. There comes a time where you need to swing for the fences. You either win it all or you dont but you push all your chips in to try. Or else you end up like the heat petering out in a slower quieter death with nothing to show for it just like the teams you named. We’re talking about winning a championship here when you’re on the cusp you have to go for it like the Celtics did, what else are you even waiting for? I give those teams credit for at least going all in when they saw a window to win. The heat ended up with the same results as them when they had an even bigger window to win than they did.
I think Swipa can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was trying to say: Why, as Marz said before, is Kobe always used as the measuring stick to compare other players? I guess it's a compliment to Kobe that he's used as the measuring stick.
Just wanted to add something outside what you said Kobe is used as the measuring stick because he’s the easiest one to pass of the all time greats. He is usually put up their with them because his accolades suggest he is one himself but in terms of play and analytics he’s clearly the one you can surpass to enter the conversation
@@PrinceDJj I don’t think it’s a coincidence that on this exact panel they had convos about Jokic vs Kobe on offence despite them playing completely different positions I’m not a Kobe hater but as someone who can take the fame and name out of my analysis I do think it’s easiest to surpass Kobe
@@PrinceDJj I’m just talking about peak play, obviously surpassing Kobe from a career standpoint is around being borderline top 10 to even be in the conversation
If you believe players don't look at their schedule throughout the regular season and pick and choose which games they want to play, you are naive. I've heard Carmelo talk about it, Scottie talk about it, and numerous other players. I don't care if you think it's ducking or not, but they do pick and choose.
Nah you're just caping for an injury prone bum. Forget all the games he missed before and after the Denver game because we all know that he was missing those games as a cover. He had to miss up to 9 games to make it convincing.
Embiid has the largest difference between games played at home vs on the road in NBA history, and there isn't a close second. He has played 46 more games at home than on the road out of 446 total games. It is impossible to do that by chance.
Oh so you one of those guys that refuse to wear something that’s not designed? You get off to name brands? I grew up on the big bags of cereal I’m not moved by names just production.
Swipa saying SGA came in as a defensive specialist already tells me that these guys don’t fully follow the game. Just speaking with confidence. Shai showed high potential as a scorer at Kentucky smh.
@@PlayersChoiceShowNot trying to bash the show, I listen to it in the office all the time but people just lie. We just had a nigga come on here and say AD is a defensive liability. 😕
@ Beal is nice basketball wise, just like Bobby, but he’s a -167 on the suns rn. -91 worse than any suns player. They just are negatives on any helping team, we don’t need that rn at all.
I don't know if Embiid is terrified, but it's safe to say Jokic doesn't give a shit about ANY rivalries. He never seemed to care, even before he won a ring or MVP titles. He probably likes basketball in the sense that he wants to do a good job, but he's the type who will likely just disappear once he retires...kinda like Duncan.
@ not only do I want this season to finish before making that claim, I also disagree with that statement. To each their own tho, I wasn’t saying what was the #1 reason, I was giving a reason.
@@Steelo832 that’s fine obviously wanting the season to finish but as things are right now I don’t see Kobe having a better season but that’s fine Kobe’s case is based more around the post season anyway. His regular seasons while MVP calibre were never ground breaking in terms of all time seasons
Marz just gotta hold the L on Embiid. Embiid was always a fraud and reg szn stat merchant. Trump was in his FIRST term the last time Embiid played in Denver, absolutely no excuse for that Marz, ik you’re reading this ;)
I would prefer you guys talk more ball, rather than poking(ironically or not)at the character and the mentally of people you don't know anything about. Let's just keep it on the court fellas, talking about who's soft, how much of a man you are or aren't, players calling other players out in the media like it's some type of Netflix drama series is unnecessary. Just so we're clear, nobody is saying you CAN'T talk about off-court issues, or criticize these athletes, but at least keep it respectful. There's no need for the extra shit.
We live in a world where, unless a player shows 'DAWGS MENTALITY' the way old heads want it to be shown, he is not really one. That's why there is a narrative out here that Bron isn't a "killer", Tatum is "soft" or that overseas players aren't taught. If KG didn't come out and told us about Tim Duncan trash-talking him during games, TD would have had the same tag as today's player. By the way, did we just spend that amount of time trying to imply that Embiid ducked smoke with Joker, really???
When George, Embiid and Maxey play, the Sixers are 6-1. So no, I'm not worried about the Bulls in the play-in. Embiid needs to heal. But experience and talent pays dividends in the playoffs. They just need to get there and play well enough to stay in the race for the next few weeks as Embiid gets back.
Jokić and Giannis took giant jumps early. SGA is taking those giant leaps now. We don't know if he has one more jump left but if* he does he's gonna push Jokić for best in the world convos.
@@pensarebasketball high level playoff translations probably put his peak among shooting guards as second all time historically if we’re not clouded by the name Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade
@@pensarebasketball why are you pretending like giannis and jokic haven’t taken literal leaps this year too. Additionally why are you pretending like sga could leap past giannis to challenge jokic for bitw
U People are Sick!…The Hate that Embiid gets is Crazy!…Y’all did the Samething to A.D. This New Generation aint Slick!…It’s just Hate for Some & Agenda Pushing for Others!…Anything to Bring Down the Threat to Ur Favourites Legacy!…Bernard King, Grant Hill, Penny, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming & Derrick Rose were Possibly the Greatest Ever!…but A.D. & Embiid are the Worst!…Miss Me with that BullShit!…
I mean sure let’s put sixers vs Denver on rivalry week 2 teams that meet each other only twice a year. It would’ve made more sense if they put wolves vs nuggets on that night that one has more of a rivalry over the past 2 years.
That sixers fools gold gets ppl every year. I dont dislike Embiid, its sad that such a great basketball talent has had very little health most of his career. Embiid is cooked man, he could sit out the next 12 months straight and he still wouldn’t be 100%. His meniscus is dust rest isn’t going to regrow it that swelling after playing a week straight is always going to be there. Even if its best case scenario and hes as close to 100 as possible going into the playoffs would he really last long to even have a deep run, ECF/Finals? I dont see that happening it sucks but it is what it is.
Been saying abt Philly when Evan turner said it they traded everyone away after they made the eastern semis and lost to the Celtics all those years they were screaming process just to be there peak the same are Evan turner and iggy led 76ers
Ox and chill and insane. Jimmy led a SUBPAR roster to the finals TWICE in the past 5 years. Other teams in the east made moves and miami couldnt. Nobody wants to play for heat culture. This aint on Jimmy. This on Pat
@@BIGOXMedia he deserves to be compensated accordingly for his contributions to the team. contributions that his peers have not even come close to when it comes to playoff runs. he's in his right to bring those accomplishments into contract negotiations. other nba players will see this and also move accordingly. its clearly bad business to be in talks with the heat. as a bulls fan, there's a reason no one wants to sign with us lol bad business
@@jeremy15 how is he not being compensated? Is he not being paid? So you want players to get paid now for what they did in the past? lol thank you money ruins franchises
Yall asking what’s going with rivals and why it’s not really a thing ..the issue is the refs . I’m shocked y’all didn’t even bring it up. Refs gives techs for staring. I definitely believe we would of had plenty of rivalries had the refs let the guys play and let them chat at each other
Swipa needs to take the show more seriously, he just be talking to talk, and yell to yell. As much as we hated ticket, ticket didn’t yell for no reason he had a point. This man swipa trolls 90% of the show, Ron please control that, it really messes up the quality of the show when this man is just being childish while everyone is trying to be serious
@ Shai is a more versatile and creative scorer than Harden, excelling through contact, in the midrange, and as a playmaker. He handles physicality and pressure better, can run more play types (PnR, isolations, post-ups, box cuts, dives, etc.), and is a far superior defender-active, quick, and willing to put in effort Harden rarely showed. Plus, he’s leading his team to 67+ wins without his second-best player. He also has better intangibles...
@@BIGOXMediayou live in the sass hmmmmm, all good makes for great content as long chills there to tone u down 😂 I enjoy ur takes and you do got that ball knowledge and I'm still gon watch this mf every day 🤞🏽... the real sass lord is Mars and u know it ox 😭
bron needs more help curry needs more help kd needs more help giannis needs more help ant needs more help wemby needs more help maybe the league is cooked lmao
He does, so i dont get him ducking smoke. The last 2 seasons i think it was intentional to piss fans off. This year and before it was actually injury so the title of the vid is dumb af
Shoutout to pc for resurrecting the panel 💪🏽🔥
Marz looking like 2025 Jimmy butler this episode
Idk what this was supposed to mean but it was funny so I liked
@@hoodiemelo3962 basically just showed up for the $$ lmao
@@hoodiemelo3962looks displeased, not wanting to be here anymore…but I don’t agree with it , I think that’s just the new marz
marz be looking like he needs some zoloft
I absolutely loathe Embiid as a player. I do believe his injuries make it hard for him to play against Jokic in Denver with the exception to 2023. However, it is reasonable for people to be critical of Embiid ducking. Once you've shown that you are willing to duck a single game, as a fan I'm gonna assume you might duck smoke. A person can say 100 sentences. If one of those sentences is a lie, who cares about the other 99 truths? This whole Embiid situation is a 2-sided fence and the average fan is tired of it. The best thing to do is to move on from Embiid and let him just fade away and turn to dust and promote other rivalries because it's been made clear for years that the man can't stay healthy long enough for a real rivalry to brew. That's like trying to create a Curry/Rose rivalry and Rose is always hurt. It's not possible.
People will critcize Shai if your already comparing him to Harden, Wade & Kobe. If you think that's unfair, then don't jump the gun on his career rankings.
His career ranking is not at play here. His level of play is.
He is as good as any shooting guard that’s ever played outside Jordan and is having a regular season that’s debatably better than any outside Jordan.
Still not better den jokic tho
@tusharbisht6832 no he isn't😂😂
@@tusharbisht6832yea u just yappin
@@tusharbisht6832 why is jordan an exception
@@mayowaojutalayo853 Jordan had regular seasons better than the one shai is having right now.
Outside him shais regular season is comparable to everyone else that played the 2 gaurd
This doesn’t mean shai is better than everyone as high level playoff translation is how player impact are evaluated but he could be….
Im a Nuggets fan and I don't think Embiid is scared. I do however believe he doesn't want to face Jokic unless he has an advantage. Over the years he only plays Jokic when he is at home or if Denver is on a back to back. Embiid has always been a ftont runner. He will play 37min against terrible teams like Washington to pad his number i.e. get big games and pick 2nd night of double doubles or pick not to play the better teams. He picks and chooses based on if he has the high ground. He isnt a competitor hes a front runner.
I agree
That excuse of not playing big teams is cap I remember last when he was healthy he dropped 50 on the wolves were the one defense
Joel would have 30 against Washington in 3 quarters, that's how I know you're bias and lying.
The players drive interest. The players are why we watch. Jimmy Butler has done his job better than Pat Riley has done HIS job over the past 5 years. Simple.
Mickey Arison is worth nearly 10 billion dollars.
He bought the Heat for 32.5 million dollars. They're worth 4.25 billion today.
That means the Heat today are worth 140 times MORE than what he paid. But we can't pay Jimmy a little bit? We're cutting corners on legacy contracts for Wade? Come on now.
Capping for billionaires while they're trying to squeeze pennies from millionaires is nuts.
@@pensarebasketball There would be no league if it wasn’t for these billionaires these millionaires can be replaced, I suggest they shut up and dribble.
@@BIGOXMediaplenty of billionaires to buy teams. Jimmy Butler is rarer than Mickey Arison.
@ lol Jimmy is not rarer than Mickey. There are a lot more really good basketball players than there are people worth 8 billion. Mickey can replace Jimmy but Jimmy can’t replace Mickey.
@@BIGOXMedia there are over 300 people in the world worth more money than Mickey Arison. There are maybe 15-17 players in the world better at basketball than Jimmy. Pay attention big guy, might learn something.
Two things can be true at once ppl can fall short yes Penn but that’s not a green light to let down those who support aka Heat fans and supporters as a individual i understand but as a ball player he’s letting Miami down and his teammates which also is why he got where he is
Embid a fake mvp they gave jokic mvp to embid cus he blk n theybwas crying ots racist for jokic to win 3 in a row
These are the jokic fans lol, yall are insane
Yall want me to cap for millionaires but why can’t I cap for billionaires? I’m a 3 dollarnaire so a millionaire and a billionaire is all the same to me.
god damn, them same 3 dollars? 😂
@ it’s hard out here
Embiid is a clown
Damn
this load management thing is quite fun,shoutout joel and kawhi
If it means we see them in the playoffs (we won’t) I think it’s worth it from both the fan and ownership perspective
@@MarzTalksSports Especially Kawhi Leonard 🫡
@@darwinsanchez4842yes lets sit them and not have their bodies adjust to playing physical during the soft regular season. And play them 40 mins in a grueling playoffs because apparently they will hold up there lmaooo. You dudes are delusional
@@battousaithekingslayer9913js like loads management that strategy doesn't always work, they tried that with embid before and he kept getting hurt
@@dukebaylockskawhi has more rings, dpoys, and fmvps than embiid jimmy and lavine. So no not him
Embiid is clearly afraid of playing Jokic in Denver's altitude.
Ox and Ron are genuinely good dudes but y’all don’t gotta play these character
1st Ron is genuinely not a good dude. 2nd Im not playin
Playing what?
Marz’s face while Pen was running off those SGA and Kobe numbers 😂
Great show today 🔥
FYI Bucks are 8th in defensive rating and have a 2 - 0 record against the Pacers. 1 of which was a blow out and the other Giannis and Dame werent fully healthy
Is Joel ducking altitude, Jokic or both?
No you’re ducking me
@ Luncho you been on my line for a few weeks now. You must have really had your feathers ruffled if you’re crazy enough to come for me. Well I’m here for it brotha, BRING THE RUCKUS!!!!
@@huncho5554 lol never ducking you Luncho. BRING THE RUCKUS!!!
@@BIGOXMedia cooked you in the yt comments , cooked you in instagram dms and you be actively ducking me on the graveyard shift not letting me up
@ Luncho don’t get in these comments lying. Nobody has ever clicked the link on the graveyard shift and not been allowed to come on stage, I don’t do that.
I took the over on SGA, under on Trae assists and the under on Lamelo. Hit 3 again. Thank you Pen. The Scottie assist overs haven't failed yet. Need Swipacam to address his 100% guarantee on Shai under tomorrow because SGA might be on track for 50 right now.
😅 I was trolling Ron on Playback about his emotional Trae pick. Utah's size and their inclination to play well against better teams was always going to require a bigger effort from SGA. Glad you caught me pushing back on those two picks.
Both players were drafted in 2014 and Jokic has played like 300 more games than Embiid in his career. I don't care how good you are on the court if you miss 40% of your games. Embiid will never sniff a Conference Finals and that's unfortunate but he brought a lot of it on himself by not taking care of his body.
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And on top of that, Joker played another year in Europe, and was on the bench for 2 years until he became a full time starter and he still has played like 3 or 4 full seasons more then emduck
“Ox is a loser”
“Clout chasing loser”
Sometimes I get so offended by it….
@@BIGOXMediaW 🐂
Ox is 1000000 percent right about pushing for the playoffs for the 76ers.. trusting the process has developed a culture of losing and cooper flagg isn't gonna change that..
That Jimmy butler/ heat segment with Ron and oz was hilarious 😂😂😂😂
All laker fans come out of hiding in chat after beating wizards 😭
The “dawg” conversation is so silly. The reality is we attribute things to these players depending on how good they are. If Jokic was averaging 15 points.. we’d be criticizing him for being too laid back. If SGA was averaging 15, we’d be saying he worries too much about instagram captions.
It really just depends on what you've done lately and how people feel about you at the moment. Jimmy is a dawg when he's leading the Heat to the Finals, but he's a crybaby when he has problems with the organization type shi
@@BlkStar99right, its no winning with players. I now understand why folks like kd etc be talking shit online. Mfs pick and choose when to accept something
@ exactly. Draymond is the engine when he is averaging triple doubles in the finals. Now he is problematic and out of control. Like he literally was calling LeBron a b**** in the finals 😂
There is so much irony in how sports fans, especially basketball fans, try to analyze “intangibles” and what players do and don’t have them and to what degree. Intangibles are things you can’t measure. You don’t just watch the games and listen to behind the scenes stories from teamates and be able to judge who has more dawg or killer instinct.
Ox is a bad panelist and he's capping for old ass pat riley HE DID NOTHING for buckets its like players should never complain or suggest something to team to be better. All championship contender teams are making moves and his richass can't afford to sign 2nd or 3rd option to team?? What are you stupid?? He can't always roll the dice and expect to win when he's not doing anything to get higher chances on winning. L for Little ox. He always saying he wants to watch good basketball but does not want anything good for miami basketball. Get off pat riley's meat y'all.
@@joshuabuhangin1900 And youre an L viewer. Get off of Jimmy’s 🥩. They made it to 2 finals in the Jimmy butler era and were one shot away from a 3rd. If you think the teams weren’t competitive or at least competent then I’m curious to know exactly where in the top 20 all time list do you have Jimmy Butler.
@@BIGOXMediaif they were good enough to get over the hump and win they would’ve. The proof is in the results. All their rivals in their conference got better. Pat has done amazing with the underrated guys with lesser name value like you said, but its been clear since 2020 they needed a little more fire power to make that last leap.
@@blitzandgoo the Suns went to the finals in 21 and haven’t sniffed the finals since they went and made a whole bunch of moves and have nothing to show for it. The Nets made moves have nothing to show for it, Sixers have nothing to show for it. The Heat are more successful than all of those teams. Pat has clearly done something right.
@@BIGOXMedia you’re right and look at what the heat have done, also no ring just like them. There comes a time where you need to swing for the fences. You either win it all or you dont but you push all your chips in to try. Or else you end up like the heat petering out in a slower quieter death with nothing to show for it just like the teams you named. We’re talking about winning a championship here when you’re on the cusp you have to go for it like the Celtics did, what else are you even waiting for? I give those teams credit for at least going all in when they saw a window to win. The heat ended up with the same results as them when they had an even bigger window to win than they did.
Damn Ox 🥶
I’m sorry you don’t miss a specific team for six years 🤣🤣
Kobe > Shai
n its not close
Remember Folks, Peak Clyde still better than SGA
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Always nice to see the best starting 5 and the 6 man (swipa) on the show.
Marz is KD, Ox is Giannis, Chill is Tatum, Ron is Phoenix PG, Pen is Ayton.
I think Swipa can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was trying to say: Why, as Marz said before, is Kobe always used as the measuring stick to compare other players? I guess it's a compliment to Kobe that he's used as the measuring stick.
Just wanted to add something outside what you said
Kobe is used as the measuring stick because he’s the easiest one to pass of the all time greats. He is usually put up their with them because his accolades suggest he is one himself but in terms of play and analytics he’s clearly the one you can surpass to enter the conversation
@tusharbisht6832
I think it just depends on you talking about and who you talking to
@@PrinceDJj I don’t think it’s a coincidence that on this exact panel they had convos about Jokic vs Kobe on offence despite them playing completely different positions
I’m not a Kobe hater but as someone who can take the fame and name out of my analysis I do think it’s easiest to surpass Kobe
@@tusharbisht6832
It's not that easy to surpass him when you take it everything
Stats Accolades and Attributes
@@PrinceDJj I’m just talking about peak play, obviously surpassing Kobe from a career standpoint is around being borderline top 10 to even be in the conversation
If you believe players don't look at their schedule throughout the regular season and pick and choose which games they want to play, you are naive. I've heard Carmelo talk about it, Scottie talk about it, and numerous other players. I don't care if you think it's ducking or not, but they do pick and choose.
Just watch marz face this whole episode 😂😂
the embiid ducks denver narrative is so tired
It was old when it started
Nah you're just caping for an injury prone bum. Forget all the games he missed before and after the Denver game because we all know that he was missing those games as a cover. He had to miss up to 9 games to make it convincing.
tell that 500 lbs bum to stop missing games then
exhausting would be the right word to describe it
@@BlkStar99im cooked
Embiid is a bum.
Embiid has the largest difference between games played at home vs on the road in NBA history, and there isn't a close second. He has played 46 more games at home than on the road out of 446 total games. It is impossible to do that by chance.
Legendary episode
Jimmy wanted Kyle, and saying Duncan hasnt worked out is crazy. Oladipo was a significant piece in 2022 before his last knee injury.
If you’re looking for quality rivalry this season, rewatch the Nuggets vs. Spurs games.
Pen was on that good stuff this episode. Jimmy Butler doesn’t get talked with those high level guys because he was mid whole career.
Ron was frying Ox lmaooo Rare Don moment
Oh so you one of those guys that refuse to wear something that’s not designed? You get off to name brands? I grew up on the big bags of cereal I’m not moved by names just production.
you couldn’t be further from the truth. a philosopher once said “drip comes from within you, not from what’s on you”
@@sorcrr damn you kinda cooked with that bar right there. Ima leave you alone…. 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Lol W Ron
Since Marz was moving like Minnesota Timberwolves Brandon Roy, Ox and Pen did a great job this episode, W PC
W Broy
Swipa saying SGA came in as a defensive specialist already tells me that these guys don’t fully follow the game. Just speaking with confidence. Shai showed high potential as a scorer at Kentucky smh.
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@@PlayersChoiceShowNot trying to bash the show, I listen to it in the office all the time but people just lie. We just had a nigga come on here and say AD is a defensive liability. 😕
Embid a missing person in Colorado since 2019 😆
If the bucks trade for shooting guard bobby Portis………. Cmon Horst don’t fall for it man, please don’t
Shooting guard bobby portis is harsh but yea the Bucks shouldn’t get Beal whatsoever
@ Beal is nice basketball wise, just like Bobby, but he’s a -167 on the suns rn. -91 worse than any suns player. They just are negatives on any helping team, we don’t need that rn at all.
HarGoat > Shai
Any version on Harden clears Shai even the thick version
@ Lmao W Thick Harden
2 goats can coexist
I don't know if Embiid is terrified, but it's safe to say Jokic doesn't give a shit about ANY rivalries. He never seemed to care, even before he won a ring or MVP titles. He probably likes basketball in the sense that he wants to do a good job, but he's the type who will likely just disappear once he retires...kinda like Duncan.
Chill might have dementia fr unc be saying anything 😂
These guys are literally playing characters now. And I love it
Cap
He's the worst draft pick ever. # of pick, # of games. Amount of money paid to 🦆
Da forced pen/swipa beef funny ash cuz it don’t ever be dat serious 😂😂
The Kobe and SGA conversation also exists because SGA’s favorite player is Kobe. Like that’s the player he modeled his game after the most.
I think the fact sga is having a better regular season than Kobe ever did might be the number 1 reason.
@ not only do I want this season to finish before making that claim, I also disagree with that statement. To each their own tho, I wasn’t saying what was the #1 reason, I was giving a reason.
@@Steelo832 that’s fine obviously wanting the season to finish but as things are right now I don’t see Kobe having a better season but that’s fine Kobe’s case is based more around the post season anyway. His regular seasons while MVP calibre were never ground breaking in terms of all time seasons
@@tusharbisht6832this is nowhere near true
@@l3gendarysage293 what makes you say that?
Any specific Kobe regular season you think is significantly better than the one shai is producing?
Marz just gotta hold the L on Embiid. Embiid was always a fraud and reg szn stat merchant. Trump was in his FIRST term the last time Embiid played in Denver, absolutely no excuse for that Marz, ik you’re reading this ;)
Embiid is terrified of Denver
Whose holding these front offices accountable.
Thanks Ron - Heat fan
Pj tucker Thomas Bryant Josh Richardson and Kyle Lowry 😂😂😂
Kawhi Da🐐
I would prefer you guys talk more ball, rather than poking(ironically or not)at the character and the mentally of people you don't know anything about.
Let's just keep it on the court fellas, talking about who's soft, how much of a man you are or aren't, players calling other players out in the media like it's some type of Netflix drama series is unnecessary.
Just so we're clear, nobody is saying you CAN'T talk about off-court issues, or criticize these athletes, but at least keep it respectful. There's no need for the extra shit.
Barber shop talk, you never know where it will get us! But thanks for your opinion, we’ll have it in consideration fr
Damn I thought Ticket tv was on the panel today 😂 free Marz
Why yall keep letting chill get away from ts expected Jimmy butler to win with that team but EVERYTIME LeBron lose they blame the teammates
He’s a bronsexual. Idolizes and apologizes for him on the regular
We live in a world where, unless a player shows 'DAWGS MENTALITY' the way old heads want it to be shown, he is not really one. That's why there is a narrative out here that Bron isn't a "killer", Tatum is "soft" or that overseas players aren't taught. If KG didn't come out and told us about Tim Duncan trash-talking him during games, TD would have had the same tag as today's player.
By the way, did we just spend that amount of time trying to imply that Embiid ducked smoke with Joker, really???
I’d love to play all my opponents at home. Embiid ducking Joker in Denver. When are we gonna call this buster out?
did u watch the first hour of the show?
@@MarzTalksSportsyeah. That’s why I made the comment. He’s had more ducks in the past 5 years than a carnival booth.
@@sunvalleydrivemusic so he was clearly called out so wdym 'when are we gonna call this buster out'
@@MarzTalksSportsthe proverbial “we”
The embiid narrative is so ignorant imo. He’s been injured for 8 games prior to last night but the nuggets game the problem??💀
When George, Embiid and Maxey play, the Sixers are 6-1. So no, I'm not worried about the Bulls in the play-in. Embiid needs to heal. But experience and talent pays dividends in the playoffs. They just need to get there and play well enough to stay in the race for the next few weeks as Embiid gets back.
Out of curiosity, who were those 7 games against?
Chill is so bad now that he genuinely goes some shows without making a single good point
Just because its not your opinion doesnt mean its wrong. Just sayin…
I can't believe that anyone thinks that this is even a story! Embiid is 😾 petty mvp.
Mmmm
1:54:54 Pen acting like Jokic and Giannis haven’t taken massive jumps as well before Shai
Jokić and Giannis took giant jumps early. SGA is taking those giant leaps now. We don't know if he has one more jump left but if* he does he's gonna push Jokić for best in the world convos.
@@pensarebasketball high level playoff translations probably put his peak among shooting guards as second all time historically if we’re not clouded by the name Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade
@@pensarebasketball why are you pretending like giannis and jokic haven’t taken literal leaps this year too. Additionally why are you pretending like sga could leap past giannis to challenge jokic for bitw
@unbede SGA can absolutely jump Giannis.
@@pensarebasketballhow
Congrats on the new head coach job for the jets chilltown
U People are Sick!…The Hate that Embiid gets is Crazy!…Y’all did the Samething to A.D. This New Generation aint Slick!…It’s just Hate for Some & Agenda Pushing for Others!…Anything to Bring Down the Threat to Ur Favourites Legacy!…Bernard King, Grant Hill, Penny, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming & Derrick Rose were Possibly the Greatest Ever!…but A.D. & Embiid are the Worst!…Miss Me with that BullShit!…
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Don’t wake up tomorrow scared of today -OX
I mean sure let’s put sixers vs Denver on rivalry week 2 teams that meet each other only twice a year. It would’ve made more sense if they put wolves vs nuggets on that night that one has more of a rivalry over the past 2 years.
Denver gonna play the wolves as well
That sixers fools gold gets ppl every year. I dont dislike Embiid, its sad that such a great basketball talent has had very little health most of his career. Embiid is cooked man, he could sit out the next 12 months straight and he still wouldn’t be 100%. His meniscus is dust rest isn’t going to regrow it that swelling after playing a week straight is always going to be there. Even if its best case scenario and hes as close to 100 as possible going into the playoffs would he really last long to even have a deep run, ECF/Finals? I dont see that happening it sucks but it is what it is.
PLAYERS CHOICE!
Bro had 2 and half good seasons and getting Kobe comps and gonna be a top 5 sg all time gtfoh wit these take pen let me get ya pc check
Also how is shai progressing better than James and James won a mvp bro just became great 😭😭
forgot marz was on the panel today
me too
Beal agent denies saying he would waive trade clause. But, either way, if the Bucks would’ve traded for Beal or LaVine. I’ll be done. Dumb trade
So if shai never win one, how tf can you put him over harden? Like wth
Been saying abt Philly when Evan turner said it they traded everyone away after they made the eastern semis and lost to the Celtics all those years they were screaming process just to be there peak the same are Evan turner and iggy led 76ers
There is no NBA rivalry because you have "franchises" the best supporters support CLUBS.
there not dead new rivalries are being made .. look at Mavs vs Clippers ... I think Mavs vs OKC will be a rivalry too
Pen throwing lobs pretending he is on Embiid's side.
Swipa is so condescending bro🙄
Pen love him some Scottie man
Favorite player by far.
Ox and chill and insane. Jimmy led a SUBPAR roster to the finals TWICE in the past 5 years. Other teams in the east made moves and miami couldnt. Nobody wants to play for heat culture. This aint on Jimmy. This on Pat
Primadonna crybabies don’t want to play for heat culture. Accountability is tough sometimes! 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@BIGOXMedia lol or they see what happens when you take the Heat to 2 finals trips and still get devalued by the owner 🤷🏾♂
@@jeremy15 Devalued? No sane person would agree to pay him 50+ million. That’s INSANE
@@BIGOXMedia he deserves to be compensated accordingly for his contributions to the team. contributions that his peers have not even come close to when it comes to playoff runs. he's in his right to bring those accomplishments into contract negotiations. other nba players will see this and also move accordingly. its clearly bad business to be in talks with the heat. as a bulls fan, there's a reason no one wants to sign with us lol bad business
@@jeremy15 how is he not being compensated? Is he not being paid? So you want players to get paid now for what they did in the past? lol thank you money ruins franchises
All this “with a healthy Joel” talk, as If a healthy Joel and PG should ever fear anyone. They still ain’t winning.
SGA has officially become overrated.
I skip everytime pen says per 100
This pod is sooo much better when ox isn't on here my god! Dude just spouts incoherent nonsense
I’m here for the hoopers, hoop lovers and hoop knowers… NOT YOU. Start a petition maybe you can get me outta here 🤷🏾♂️
Pen 5:39 dude so touchy 😂like fam Ron can’t ask you a damn question? So sensitive geez
PC Men are emotional
@@PlayersChoiceShowthat’s true but there’s levels lol
Pat Riley has a pride problem.
Ox cook tho too jimmy being a diva and we’ve had some of the most misfortune in nba to date sadly
I forgot to mention that Pat isn’t responsible for J Winslow getting injured either.
@@BIGOXMediafax how u been bro been a minute ?
Yall asking what’s going with rivals and why it’s not really a thing ..the issue is the refs . I’m shocked y’all didn’t even bring it up. Refs gives techs for staring. I definitely believe we would of had plenty of rivalries had the refs let the guys play and let them chat at each other
Michael ducked Gary Payton? 😂
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Swipa needs to take the show more seriously, he just be talking to talk, and yell to yell. As much as we hated ticket, ticket didn’t yell for no reason he had a point. This man swipa trolls 90% of the show, Ron please control that, it really messes up the quality of the show when this man is just being childish while everyone is trying to be serious
Mmmm
Nerds and geeks hated ticket, so guess what that makes you buddy?
@@adripos ticket is this you?
@@INPERSPECTIVE7 shut up nerd lmao
2024 & 2025 Shai > Kobe’s best RS
2024 & 2025 Shai > Harden
2009 Wade > 2025 Shai
Pls tell me how shai is better than harden
@@yetundeadeyemi2436hes not, dont let these nba stat virgins convince you otherwise.
When harden was shais age he took teams to conference finals, shai has yet to make one lol
Harden clears Shai when will you learn
@ Shai is a more versatile and creative scorer than Harden, excelling through contact, in the midrange, and as a playmaker. He handles physicality and pressure better, can run more play types (PnR, isolations, post-ups, box cuts, dives, etc.), and is a far superior defender-active, quick, and willing to put in effort Harden rarely showed. Plus, he’s leading his team to 67+ wins without his second-best player. He also has better intangibles...
That whole rivalry conversation was filled with nostalgia, these guys at the top are very competitive. PC just wants to see more snarls on the court.
lol a lil snarl every now and then never hurt 🤷🏾♂️
Amazing shows every day but ox no reason to have so much sass all the time 😭 33:09
DOG wait ur turn to talk 😭 44:14
@@myspaceislit Wait your turn to talk.
I was in the zone. Ron shoulda muted my mic 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@BIGOXMediayou live in the sass hmmmmm, all good makes for great content as long chills there to tone u down 😂 I enjoy ur takes and you do got that ball knowledge and I'm still gon watch this mf every day 🤞🏽... the real sass lord is Mars and u know it ox 😭
@@myspaceislityessir sass lord
Pen jus so bias to his narratives
What bias? 😂
@ shai doesn’t play like Kobe and James harden jump was way substantially larger than sga and you actually believe that is crazy work
@@sincerlykentrell9316SGA to 2021 to 2024 is larger than any 3 year jump of Harden's career.
@ your an idiot
bron needs more help
curry needs more help
kd needs more help
giannis needs more help
ant needs more help
wemby needs more help
maybe the league is cooked lmao
Don’t Embiid always smoke this fool whenever they play each other?
he doesnt do it in denver though
He does, so i dont get him ducking smoke. The last 2 seasons i think it was intentional to piss fans off. This year and before it was actually injury so the title of the vid is dumb af
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 exactly maybe the biggest lying title for pc all time
Nah but he doesn’t do it in Denver so him repeatedly frying the Nuggets and Jokic doesn’t count
Chill, back me up