Is Earning a Ph.D. Worth the Cost? | Master's vs. Ph.D. in Counseling
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2018
- This video answers the question: Is earning a Ph.D. in counselor education and supervision worth it? How does the Ph.D. compare to the master's degree? This is specific to counseling, but I think at some level it's also applicable to related fields like marriage and family therapy, social work, and psychology I think that you have to consider the questions around this area in a particular order and maybe the first question would be: What do I want to do? A Ph.D. isn't really so much an identity as a level of education. As far as doing it strictly for an identity - like just to be able to call yourself a doctor or PhD - I don't think this really makes a lot of sense. The Ph.D. is very difficult to get and it's very expensive, so to earn it just to be able to call yourself a doctor seems like a real waste of resources all the way around. If you really did want just the identity, there are doctoral level degrees there much easier to get than a Ph.D. in counselor education and supervision.
Another question you may want to ask first would be: Am I good at math? I think this is a question a lot of doctoral students or people consider applying to doctoral programs don't really consider very well, but statistics is a huge part of a Ph.D. Another related question would be: Do I like to write? Writing is a huge part of getting at Ph.D. It is important to look at the cost-benefit of getting a Ph.D. The financial, time, and effort factors should be considered. Overall, earning a Ph.D. is not a good idea for most individuals, but for some it is well worth the costs.
I think the more i learn about my own mental health the more i learn to see others needs. Would love to work in this field one day
Don't jump to that conclusion quickly. The field overall is very problematic. Many of its practitioners are narcissists and methods of treatment are highly questionable. Tread carefully. (Dr. Grande is not representative, fortunately).
One of my professors once explained PhD with another meaning: permanent head damage. I'm not sure if you find that amusing, Dr. Grande. But I have to say that it was great to hear your very pragmatic opinion on why someone should or shouldn't consider earning their PhD in Counseling. You gave your explanation without a drop of arrogance (even with your very successful channel and wealth of knowledge and experience), which I truly admire.
Pile it high and deep
That's about right. I thought I was having a stroke. I cried. Earning my Ph.D. is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life and I am a US Army vet, a former Federal Law Officer, and have children. I really almost quit; but luckily, I am a glutton for punishment. I am horrible at math even though I have taken three graduate courses in stats, my data took so long to come in that forgot it all. I had to relearn it. So, glad, I'm almost there. I just turned in a 246 page revision. We shall see how this goes.
Thx Dr Grande. My takeaway is... if I worked hard to earn the masters degree, I studied and passed the nbcc test, I have to earn my LAC then LPC. It’s time to enjoy our life! If you want to make more $$ then maybe specialize in something within our scope. Save $50-150k and go on vacation often and practice self care!! Thank you much!!!!
hope we start having lower priced counselors - maybe less vacations, but better society
@@SandraLovesRoses and the cost of school go down as well. Costs would be more affordable. Most counselors love their work because they help people. Shout out to all mental health professionals
@@SandraLovesRoses I must concur! That comment illustrates how corrupted society's general view of ALL things INCLUDING medicine, education, housing, career, profession have been hijacked by the lowest of the lowest values. It seems FOCUSED to be the worst possible something could be and still exist, move or breathe. (Dr. Grande kissed the comment, I note too!)
She mentions not a word about helping people at all, (which is REALLLY hard to do for real, easy to fake) only celebrates finding a new way here in the healthcare/counseling field opening for her to establish a life amounting to as much as an on-going Spring Break spending spree free-for-all, INSTEAD of unique, talented and rare personal drive and sacrifice toward ongoing, relevant research; cures; rescue of mortally endangered lives; relief of pain and avoidance of catastrophe, . . . 365/24/7 etc. Her comment listed ONLY all THE WRONG reasons to be in business, much less vitally required healthcare and counseling. Peoples' entire lives depend and turn on these pros. With all due respect, from that comment, the woman is an unmitigated amoral opportunist. Such values and comments are no better or suitable than that of a common hairdresser, yet she aspires to EARN as much as if she were really curing any disease and ending anyone's ignorance and stupidity in ANY way, ever, as such, as a career - and never does or will. She helps herself entirely throughout her career, just going through the motions at best, imho. As such EVERYONE's robbed, swindled, cheated, untreated and worsened practicing professions on such an amoral opportunistic basis as she so enthusiastically dreams and celebrates.
Some people enjoy researching. It's not about what you can obtain from it. It's about how much you love your career and everything this intails. He's saying it's not about making money and being successful. It's about how much you enjoy doing it and how much you want to contribute to your field.
My therapist is a PhD and while that doesn’t make her any better necessarily than someone with a masters it does mean that shes a professor so she’s very up to date and consistently publishing work. I am a PhD as well (in Chemistry) and I started seeing her during my studies. Having someone to relate to who understood the process was so helpful. I am a first generation college student and my family really didn’t understand what getting a doctorate was like and neither did I. She helped me get past the finish line and be more mentally stable. I wouldn’t trade her for the world. In a year of working with her I’ve been able to move beyond years of trauma and become a more compassionate person (something I always wanted to be).
There are differences in what psychologists and counselors do, but generally, therapy is common among all mental health professionals. I think the advantage of the PhD in psychology (and probably in counseling- although I don't know much about that curriculum), is that PhD's/PsyDs have a much greater depth of theoretical knowledge that you may not get if you stop at the Master's level. I don't think that makes you a better counselor or therapist for common/typical presentations, but it can make a difference as presentations get more complex. I was an LPC before I became a psychologist and I can say that deeper knowledge of theory and case conceptualization has helped me a lot in hospital settings. Dr. Grande - did you have a similar experience?
Just a tidbit for folks interested in a PhD but scared of the math and statistics: the actual mathematics used in statistics is all basic math like division, multiplication, etc. What makes it "hard" is knowing WHAT you want to know, which data is important, and what to do with that data. For people who struggle with the abstractness of math, statistics can be easier when you remember that you're not really doing math for math's sake, there is a context and meaning behind what you're doing with the numbers. My husband had to take stats in college and was really worried because he was always bad at math, but once he got started he took to it like a fish to water and even ended up being a tutor and helping one woman go from a D to a B in the class
I don't know about other doctorates, but earning a PhD in a social science area usually involves more advanced mathematics than just statistics, including multivariate regression modeling, factor analysis, cluster analysis, structural equation/path analysis, and non-parametric statistics (for small sample size research). You are absolutely right that all this math is done in a practical context, which makes it easier to understand.
@@laurelinlorefield318I guess I wasn't thinking about how advanced a PhD is, so you're probably right. My hubby only got a BA
Margaret Gardner the math, and the huge research, thesis is one reason I have not furthered the PH. D. I have my masters in social work, and currently studying for my LCSW.
Ehhh.... I have a friend working on her PhD who is currently grappling with compositional data as a small part of some research she is doing, and just looking at the wiki page for “compositional data” gives me a headache. When you have to start differentiating between real and imaginary numbers you are doing some serious maths.
@@Margar02 I would advise anyone contemplating a PhD in psych who did not take statistics as an under grad take it first as an undergrad...audit the class perhaps if you already have a bachelors or masters degree but do the work...you will be SO much better prepared for the graduate courses in stats you have to take and also the research design courses and the other forms of math such as factor analysis, etc see comment by Laurelin Lorefield above. I have a PhD in psych and was faculty before I retired. Had I NOT taken stats as an undergrad I might have been overwhelmed as a grad student as were too MANY of my fellow students. Most of my fellow students nearly half of the ones entering the PhD program I was in, did not complete the programs due to deficits in this area that were ferreted out before or AT their comprehension exams....really stressful for them AND they wasted their money when they quit at that point....so sad.
I was thinking of asking you this. After listening to this I think I might not go for my PhD after I complete my Masters. I’m not good at math and I’ll already have considerable debt with my Masters program. I love to write but I can write and publish without going that route. Thanks for going over the pros and cons!
Getting a PhD is pure hell and frustration. When I started my journey I wanted a PhD just to be called doctor but as I continued in the program it became much more. I would say to anyone who is pursuing a doctorate really think about it. It is expensive to get a piece of paper that will allow you to teach and become the expert. It may not be financially rewarding depending on the field. Counseling is already a tough field to make money. Do not add anymore debt unless absolutely necessary. Invest that money in certifications, specialization, etc. Listen to this guy. Now math there are so many software programs that you plug in a variable and bam answers. Quantitative means numbers vs qualitative is essay and more ordinal.
surprised its hard to make $ seeing how exorbitant the price of a 1 hour session is
i think its awful
Smart and handsome! Haha
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This is the best and most honest video I have seen on this topic. There are so many people pursuing doctorate's just to be called "doctor". In fact, I am often baffled by LPC's who pursue doctorate's in education or health science because you can't use these credentials to teach full-time in a CACREP accredited program. In fact, you can't use these degrees for much of anything. It's just senseless.
I so appreciate your balanced objective perspective. You are correct it takes a big commitment. I am an LCSW and I work long hours and feel behind. It’s difficult to balance it all but worth it.
Just finished my Masters ! Nothing is harder than the military , nothing ! I’m going for my PhD in Dec . Looking for programs now
Absolutely agree. A PhD hijacks one's life for the duration and some time after. I'm pathetic at maths so had to do a LOT of reading on the statistics - and still do. I can say without a doubt that, with the exception of being a parent, doing the PhD was the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life. It was also the most rewarding in terms of personal growth. Think carefully and gain some work and life experience first before taking on PhD studies.
Thank you for this thorough honest comparison of these two paths, found it very useful !
This video was extremely helpful. Thank you so much for your honesty and for your insight!
Thank you very much for your honesty Dr. Grande! This is coming from a Psychology student in Bogotá, Colombia
I'm graduating from psychology next year and I'm for sure going for Masters, luckily I can apply to a bunch of scholarships because my GPA it's really good, also did internships, tutoring and volunteering, so I'm really excited since I love what I do, I few years back I really wanted a PhD bc I liked teaching from tutoring, but honestly from the internship I got really tired, I want to enjoy my job while when I actually graduate, as you said, it's a lot of work and commitment, you need to be completely sure to go for it, which I'm a not, so this video was really informative! 👏💕
Thank you. I’m a LCSW and I was considering a PHD because I currently supervised a few ASWs and I love doing supervision but I felt like I needed more education. After hearing about the time and effort and how it can take so much away fr your life (I have small kids), that makes it a deal breaker. I will spend more time learning on my own. Thanks for all you do!
Three decades ago, I decided not to finish my MA (passed Comps but no Thesis) in Clinical Psych once I learned that I couldn't really work as a psychologist unless I got a PhD. I was not interested in counseling. Looking back, I know it was a good decision for me & your video confirmed this. 😊
I recently got into a subsidised masters degree in social work, from one of the world’s best universities, after my prior undergraduate psychology training. I’m unsure if I’ll go for the PhD afterwards, but in Australia (where I live), it’s helpful that they often fund many PhD students, and sometimes also offer a stipend too. Instead of doing a PhD, I’m considering just doing some sort of additional masters on a part-time basis, such as in youth mental health.
Thanks so much for this, I hit 40 and had a month-long wtf am I doing with my life?!? situation. I was thinking of derailing my life and very nice job to do my PhD. Honestly I had already decided against it because I truly hate writing and love teaching (which is what I am doing). This was so helpful! It just put it in perspective :)
Your video was extremely informative and so grateful for your words of wisdom!!
This video has definitely helped me make a final decision on what the next 2 years of my career development will look like. Thank you so much for your objective and informative answer. I was very confused and on the fence before having a pragmatic breakdown of each degree. What a relief to know exactly how flexible the Master's program is!! I can confidently move towards the nexts steps now! :)
Thank you so much for this video. I am in the process of deciding whether to pursue a masters or doctoral degree and your advice was very helpful
Great timing as I reviewed this video to determine the value of pursuing further degrees. Pls consider assessing the value (e.g. social, financial, and historical perspectives) in continuing education the LPC or MSW to earn the Juris Doctor (JD) degree.
Thank you so, so much for this video! I’m a psychologist and trying to decide what to study next - CBT or doctorate level psychology, and your video helps me see the value and cost of either.
I did my PhD in interdisciplinary applied mathematics and mathematical physics. It was worth it for me for cultural reasons. I never did well in the job market and could only get minimum wage. The RA paid me $20K in 2005-2009 which was more. I needed this because I still do poorly in the job market but unlike before when I was blamed for being too lazy to get a job, having earned a PhD destroyed any attempt to blame me when the job market refuses to allow me to sell my labor.
This is very helpful. Thank you so much for clarity.
Wow I was looking for this question and looked to see if you answered it and you did! Thank you
I've been wondering this myself! Thanks!
Thank you for this video, Dr. Grande. I found it helpful in planning my career. Cheers.
You're welcome!
Thanks Dr. Grande. It's been really competitive in the workplace nowadays. And the pressure was getting into me, specially because I'm young both in age and in practice. But I decided to take it slow. I felt like I missed alot of things when I took my Masters after college. I'll probably just focus on gaining more experience and establishing myself.😊
You're welcome!
I'm with Dr. Grande on this one. I liked the idea of a doctorate. When I decided to return to school, I had to acknowledge I was in the wrong socioeconomic class to take the time to get one. I decided to get an MSW and have never regretted it. I've been able to do most of the things you mentioned here and have loved my job for over 30 years.
My only regret is that I don't get to do research. I'm curious about the statement about a master's level counselor being able to do it, unless they're connected to a university.
Helpful word. Thanks. I'm already licensed as an LMFT and have one earned doctorate (a DMin). I've always wanted to do a PhD but at 69 yrs old it's pretty hard to cost justify or time justify another major academic program.
Dr Todd your videos are so helpful in my career and my educational endeavors. Thank you!!
You are most welcome! I'm so glad you find the videos helpful -
Thank you for this sobering look at earning a doctorate. I went for and Ph.D and left the program to go to medical school. The time and emotional burden were massive for either. Had I saved my $ and made max contributions to a Roth IRA and 401k, I could retire at 55 and live off the earnings (1.25 million $) that’s assuming no other contributions. Wait till 65 and you’ll have 2.9 million $ (assuming 9% return)
You are a genius! Really appreciate this video sir.
This was exactly what I needed to hear.
I very much appreciate this video. I am about to earn my Master’s and wasn’t sure if a PhD was something I should consider. This video answered many of my questions.
Excellent point doctor
I was first skeptical of your position based on the title of the video but you make excellent points.
Thank you so much!
I love how you can disagree with something so rationally without a hint of any insult or arrogance. That's a true art to master, with or without a PhD 😊
Thanks Dr Grande. Excellent advice.
Very good. So glad I just got my MS. I have a lot more credits to add, but absolutely hate statistics.
I also greatly feared my life would definitely be hijacked after the doctorate was obtained.
Wanting time off to bare children; I'm very glad I avoided it. Though I do think it would be cool to teach at a university.
Thanks for educating us.
I have a bachelor's and master's in social work. I've considered a PhD in sociology so I could do research and develop policy. However, I think I just want to learn, which I can do on my own. I already read PhD level material in sociology which meets that need.
This was very helpful and it was the video that gave me the most clarity thank you!
This was very helpful.
Oooooh gonna watch this intently.
This is great! I've been debating between a Masters in Therapy or a Ph.D in Clinical Psychology - ultimately my end goal would be to practice more so than to conduct my own research. Could you possibly do a video on that? I know lots of people try to decide between the two!
I will add your idea to the production list - Thank you so much!
@@DrGrande thank you! your videos really help in decision making and in clarifying concepts in my undergrad courses! :)
Have you made your decision yet? Just wanna know, because I chose to one day make this decision.
Very helpful. Thank you.
You're welcome!
The difficulty in Statistics and Probability courses (and there are about 2 dozen you could take) is that there are intellectual concepts that really ask of your natural intelligence that knowing the math is really just part of it, as you will have to comprehend complex/layered situations and then parse them out to then know what priciples of statistics/probability need to be applied for a correct answer.
Thanks for the wonderful information.
You do well with a PHd in counseling I have my masters and I work like I'm have a BA so I would love to teach in. University setting and have a private practice..
Agree with all. I got my PhD in Clinical Psychology because I wanted to be a psychologist. It was all-consuming, esp. during the 2 years of dissertation work. And getting the PhD was just the start of the work. After graduating, there was the 12 month postdoc for licensure, then credentialing, then realizing just how much you still do not know (even after the PhD and over 6000 hrs of supervised clinical experience). Was it worth it? For me it was. But if I were an LPC, LMFT, LCSW? Id probably not do it. But it's really about your own personal goals.
Most PHDs involve research which is statistically based. Yes, you need to write properly so your research makes sence and is clear and well presented. People learn from your research. It can make a difference in improving your field of study. You also need to keep up with all the research in your field. Me, if I could go back to school, I'd love research work and being a PHD would be useful for me.
Thanks for the inside
Good answer as always
Thanks doctor grande you prove my point. I am not good at math. I do not have a masters because my job does not require one to do well.
An especially valuable masters degree is the MSW. Some of the best (most successful) therapist and writers I've known as LCSW's.
What is MSW?
@@ahern1221 Master of Social Work
I can't begin to thank you enough doc. I wish I could thank you personally. I've been watching your videos for some time. If I could pick your brain for a bit. What are your thoughts on device PsyD or an EdD you hold a Master's and are already licensed. Thank you in advance for your reply
Just about to start my masters and i know that will cover me for seeing clients. The reason I was thinking of getting a phd or psyd after was so i could teach at a uni, but you're right I'm not that good at math and I'm not a huge fan of writing. :(
sid many of my teachers at Florida State University are teaching with a master level education.
I have a question for you. I'm considering either a masters or PhD in clinical psychology. I'd like to eventually work in my own private practice, diagnosing and treating people. While I am passionate about counseling and therapeutic practices, I find the diagnosing process fascinating and it's the reason why I am considering the PhD in the first place. My concern is that a PhD will allow me to test for and diagnose a wider array of disorders than a masters degree will. I'd preferably like to be able to administer tests, such as the Beck inventories, Personality inventories, etc., to my patients and perform analyses to determine the proper diagnoses, then treat them accordingly. For my questions below, please note that I plan to work in the state of Illinois. Thanks in advance!
1.) Will getting a masters instead of a PhD restrict me in any way from my career goals?
2.) For my career goals, would you suggest a clinical psychology degree, counseling psychology degree, or counseling degree? Why?
Great information 👍
In Australia you can complete a 2 year masters in Clinical psychology - after a 3 year undergrad and then one year Honours degree (4 years), so that you can get into a 1 year registration program. All up it takes 7 years to get your registration. You can also complete a doctorate in clinical psychology after your Honours year - and that is a 3 year course (e.g. 1 year longer than the masters; 8 years in total). There isn't really a Phd program in clinical psychology - although some universities offer combined courses. Every country has different pathways!
I think a Ph.D is only as good as the person who holds it.
It has to be held for the right reasons, this is for any qualifications. This Dr clearly doesn't let this go to his head. He is talking about why to do it.
I guess I'll have to return to this. The topic terrified me!
Without you getting one I don't know that I would be here and that's not saying because you have a degree I trust you more it's just I've seen some crazy s*** and you being able to reach people on UA-cam helps the thinkers the dreamers those outside of the box. You helped me and I don't think you know it
Glad I found this! In completing my masters but I’m very interested in moving forward for a doctoral degree in Christian counseling or some form of theology . I still just want to be a licensed counselor. But I want to keep learning until In dead
Agreed!
I appreciate the warning to potential PhD students re the commitment to complete a Phd in psychology. I was lucky that I had an undergraduate course in statistics when I entered my program bec that DID give me confidence I could handle the graduate course in stats I had to take as well as the more advanced math....I had been a math phobic as an undergrad. I at least knew the basics like measures of central tendency, how to compute correlations etc etc....the basic under grad content, so I was not as frightened and overwhelmed as some of my fellow students in my grad program. It was very sad to me that of the students who entered my program about when I did, that half did not complete their doctorates. I think some of them WOULD have had they had statistics as undergraduates. I led a study group in our grad stats course for several women in my program who were math phobic as I had been as an undergrad to try to tutor them so they could finish the course , but several dropped out of the program during the course because they just could not get over the EMOTIONAL hurdle and build their self confidence.It was sad bec they were bright and all were excellent writers.
So you are right to emphasize this point re math but I SAW as an undergrad the utility of stats in a way I had not seen in other math courses FOR ME. I could easily see how stats were used in research and my undergrad course was like unlocking a box of treasures for me. Statistics had a utility that other forms of math did not have for me.For anyone teaching at the graduate level I cannot understand how a masters degree would be sufficient...knowing the underpinnings, the nuts and bolts of statistical measurement seems to me to be a requisite to properly evaluate research studies in the literature at a level where one can properly TEACH students in a masters program or above. It is just fundamental to the growth of theory etc. in our field.
You are also very correct about the amount of reading involved....esp to anyone teaching grad students. One simply HAS to keep up. Even retired as I am now, I read many hours a week new studies in my areas of interest...it becomes a lifelong habit that is unbreakable, so it really should be a source of JOY for the person.If it feels like drudgery then the person needs to enter a non academic field.
As for many other doctoral students, the year I spent on the final draft of my dissertation locked into a room mostly away from my responsibility as a mother, was a BIG sacrifice for myself, my child, and my spouse. However, it taught my young child perseverance...she saw first hand that it takes WORK and diligence to succeed in life. She did not become an academic, as both her father and I were, but turned that life lesson to success in her own field.... so it was a good life lesson for her.
I enjoy your videos BTW !
Hello, Sybil. I'm currently doing applications for this spring for fall admittance. May I ask what field you are in specifically?
Someone with a PhD was trying to convince me to obtain one. I said I wasn’t interested. He said it would be easy.
I asked him if he had spent a lot of time and money getting his. He said he had.
I asked why I should invest that amount of time and money for something I don’t want to do.
Thank you Dr. Grande, for going through all that education and cost to help humanity! Many thanks for sharing your expertise on the utube videos. I'm wondering, do the cluster B types cluster together? Do they have an affinity for each other and tend to 'work' together, or is it more like a single NPD type who recruits other to function as flying monkeys. Do these behaviors transfer to other persons who spend a great amount of time with the individual who is a 'cluster B' personality type? Is there a 'reality sharing' of some sort?
You have put forth a few interesting questions - I will answer these in a video. I particularly like the question about Cluster B features transferring to others.
I am being Inspired again. Thanks for the good question and Dr Grandes reply 👍🏽
Dr. Todd Grande Yes, please :) It seems like they seem to cluster and/or rub off on one another in my experience. Its harmonious chaos, if that can be a thing. I always found it strange and have even doubted myself that my folks could both be narcissists, but three decades of being the only person to really KNOW them (aside from always being their target to gang up with and against, and now inevitably riddled with a variety of cluster c traits and a few cluster b tendencies as a result), no one on either side of the family takes my accusations of a grandiose narcissist father and a vulnerable narcissistic mother seriously... And shocker, pretter sure a good handful of family on both sides including the married in exhibit cluster b traits and neurotic behavior. Its still kinda surreal seeing it for what it is and still doubting the odds, thus questioning my own reality.
Oh, i appreciate your videos and the time you put into this. Ive shared your videos with everyone i know interested in your topics.
There is a high tendency for narcissist parents to create narcissistic children, or otherwise injure them. Given that children are helpless, I think it is reasonable to think of the narcissism transferring.
Great advice!
uncle of mine's got 2phd's (biology and chemistry) he got bored with writing papers and teaching for otehr ppl and teaching so now he does straology and lla kinda alternative religions stuff
Dear Dr. Grande,
I was wondering if you can do a Mental Health Topic regarding about Graduate School & especially, PhD Programs in the STEM Field?
I just recently graduated with a PhD in Chemistry degree. However, I feel it was a "costly battle" for me. I did suffered a lot with my mental health during my time at the Chemistry PhD Program. Even right now after graduation, I'm still seeking psychiatric treatment due to feelings of trauma during my time in the PhD Program.
I did some research online & I learned that I am not the only one, where I did saw the statistics shown that ~50% of students who's in the PhD Program of any STEM major will likely develop mental health problems (particularly, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, lost of motivation, feelings of burnout, & unhealthy toxic interactions with their surrounding peers). In addition, I did see there is a rise of concern regarding about mental health problems in PhD Programs of STEM fields recently.
It would be interesting to see your perspective about this case & what are your take about Mental Health in PhD Programs of STEM fields?
Thank you for your time.
My work around the PhD in mental health is studying to become a mental health nurse practitioner. Also taking advantage of New York's free four year college program so out pocket costs will be just for my master's. With a starting six figure salary my school loans will be paid off in 5 years from graduation. Financial freedom and a stellar education to help people like myself.
Math! I am out! Lol!! However; writing, I believe practice makes perfect. I found this video to offer some insight for individuals who are entertaining the notion.
I'm finishing my MS in counseling this year. I'd rather spend the next few years mastering EMDR and neurofeedback therapy and be a private practice trauma therapist than spend the next 5 years getting a PhD. You still can't do psych testing unless you get a PhD in psychology anyway. The opportunity cost is too high.
I'm interested in either an M.A in Counseling or PhD in Clinical Psychology. I love the idea of doing research, I look forward to writing, I would like to work with clients and math is okay. Still unsure what would suit me best. Any advice?
Thank you for talking about this issue Dr. Grande. If you have to like writing, I'm wondering do you ever consider to go write a book? If so, about what topic?
It's funny you would mention that - I am actually thinking of writing a CBT-based self-help book for those with personality disorders and those in relationships with individuals who have personality disorders. I have the chapters outlined and a little content written, but I have a lot more work to do on it.
@@DrGrande Wow..... that sounds great! Good luck with this project.
@@DrGrande That sounds like one good book! I know no one likes this question, but I have to ask - is it moving along? In other less intrusive words, I hope you haven't given up on the idea :)
Hi @Dr. Grande can you do a video about PsyD? I know the PsyD has a greater emphasis on clinical practice than the PhD in Psychology. Does that mean generally that there would be less math? I know there is still research in PsyD programs, but would the level of math be just as intense as in a PhD program for Psychology. Is math the same intensity for PhD in counseling and psychology?
Hey, is PsyD only for clinical or also for counselling psychology?
For me, and I’m not studying mental health at all, I suspect one of the few things I could do with the education I’m pursuing is to turn around and teach others how to pursue it. Which, when you think about it, is kind of a racket.
But serious question. What about research grants to help fund your PhD?
Thank you for this wonderful advice. I want to study the history of the field of psychology. Do you have any advice of where to find such a program?
Bachelors in Psychology, OR you could read the book, the story of Psychology by Morton Hunt.
Source : The Psych Show
Very balanced and realistic discussion of this topic. I had not yet run across anyone addressing the recovery period, but I have noticed it often. A definite yes! on the comments about math and writing. It's been 20 years since I defended my dissertation and completed my PhD (in a technology/business discipline) and it was worth it to me. Please allow me to say more about using a doctoral degree to work in a university. I have enjoyed the challenges and benefits of becoming a tenured full professor, but I was surprised that the doctoral-level workload mostly continued. Teaching is only part of my job. You not only do a lot of reading, but you have to keep at least three research projects going, in varying levels of completion to maintain academic competence and earn tenure and rank promotions. (One project needs to be one the planning stage. Another project needs to be in the execution phase. The third project needs to be in the article writing/publishing phase. Often there is also a lot of grant writing to do to finance these projects as well as grant reports to do afterwards.) Once I got tenure, there were many committees I needed to serve on that I was not eligible for before tenure. There was more curriculum development and relationship building with the employers of my students. There were more requests for consulting (especially if you are maintain current expertise). After earning the rank of full professor, all that continued but there has also been a lot more mentoring of junior professors, helping them to keep their research streams viable and to be better teachers and colleagues. Don't do it just for the title, especially if you are a woman. Despite being a tenured full professor and a department head, people regularly address me as Ms. or Mrs., even though they always address my junior male colleagues as Dr.! I just sigh and take care of whatever they need with compassion and a smile. The ability to help was always more important to me than the title, anyway. That's the life of a professor.
This was extremely helpful
I admire anyone who is willing to put in the time and expense necessary to get a PHD. More so when they have succeeded to get a PHD while they are continuing to learn more in their profession.
Which Ph.Ds would be easier than in Counselor Education & Supervision? What would you recommend for a P.hD. degree for someone with a Master's in Clinical Mental Health Counseling? For me, it would be a very good pay grade increase and prestige as it is more valuable sounding where I am practicing.
On my channel someone asked about the connection between Avoidant Personality Disorder and Body Dysmorphic Disorder. I haven't seen anything about that, though my gut says they would probably be fairly frequently comorbid and the treatment would be complicated. Have you found anything that addressed their connection?
Dear Dr. Grande,
If you were so inclined, could you easily transition into a counseling position in a foreign country with your PhD?
Can you also explain salary difference between lpcc and clinical psychologist
My son Richard Conrad says he respects anyone with a PhD because he has seen on a daily basis the hell they have to go through to get there. For it to pay off I would think it is important to find a spiritual advisor to cope with having to pay off the student debt after and cope with all of the office politics while establishing a lasting good reputation. To me it looks too much like trying to be perched on the top of a Christmas tree where you have to be careful not to look too shiny sometimes just in case someone who seems a little weird tries to steal you off the Chrstmas tree and then in the next moment instead sometimes be finding yourself having to try and look just a bit shinier there than a teacher or 2 there who already has their PhD as soon as they start wondering how in the world you came to a good sounding conclusion yourself out loud to them before finding yet another citation to back it up in order to blend in with the woodwork around the teacher used to a certain kind of routine so much when getting close to retirement or every time after there was a sharp downturn in the economy they start getting nit picky while getting pressure to retire or work at more than one campus. Of course I already know that on top of all that then trying to sit there at the top of a tree with 2 leaders with both students there trying to earn the right to shine non-stop on the same campus no matter what kind of funding they have been promised before starting a quest like that would for sure be a recipe for disaster unless those 2 students both make up their minds to just pay their electrical bills and not feel self conscious at all about how that electricity is going to be travelling through everywhere there on campus.
An Interesting Dialogue. Alternative title for Doc Gs media empire :)
Dr. Grande have you considered the profession of Human Services Administration and what this profession should mean to human development? The professional administration of human services should necessarily include the evidence-based psychotherapies. Consider the professional organization and administration of psychotherapists practicing evidence-based therapies to address the emotional/behavioral disorders of childen in each school district. We could close most detention centers and become a more civilized society as opposed to incarcerating children who have emotional/behavioral disorders, labeling them delinquent, incarcerating them and channeling them into prisons for per diem rates to the large prison industry in the nation in exchange for the lives of these children. Unfortunately there is no license for Human Services Administration.
How do you find all your articles that you use to keep up with the field?
What is the difference between PsyD and Phd? Does the PsyD program have same amount of Years and cost as the Phd? Which one is better if want to pursue career in Clinical Psychology?
can you tell me what benefits or opportunities I would be missing out on if I decided to get a lpcc instead of becoming a clinical psychologist. I want to give therapy
Are there not options to have the PhD funded like for the masters program in counseling I am currently in? I have a graduate assistantship that pays my tuition. I know for most clinical psychology PhD get tuition assistantship + a stipend.
This is exactly what I try to explain to my mama when she asks me about getting a doctorate. For what I want to do, I do not need a doctorate. All I need is my license
I’m getting my PhD in educational Measurement and Statistics. I’m want to be a Psychometrician/research scientist for an education testing company . For that field, a PhD is usually required
Can you give me a link to your own doctoral dissertation?
Balanced good advice. Like Dr. Wallace below, I just had to be a "doctor." After 2 years of being a doctor, I noticed that it put unwanted emotional distance between myself and others. So quit pushing the Dr. Simmons and patients, colleagues, and other staff call me Gary. The only place I get called doctor is in the courtroom during expert witness testimony, where that formality gets me the attention of the judge to consider my position. To be fair to Dr. Grande's assertion about the Master's degree, the greatest bulk of my testimony was done when I had a Master's degree. The judges tended to consider the quality of the evidence and argument over and above the degree I possessed. Since I worked directly with the patients, I had exponentially more information about them than an outside evaluator who spent at most a few hours with them. My advice is the same as Dr. Grande's: get a Master"s degree, work with that for a while and evaluate if a Doctorate would be helpful. Here in Florida Master's counselors can be licensed to practice and specifically licensed to supervise other counselors.
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
EDIT : is this also applicable to Clinical Psych
You're welcome!
To be a licensed clinical psychologist you will need a doctoral degree. This is true in every state. You will need either a Ph.D. or a Psy.D. Then you will need to complete a clinical internship, an additional year of supervised experience, and then pass a State examination. Without all of this you cannot practice clinical psychology or even legally call yourself a clinical psychologist.
I really think that anything medical , is time consuming . I have been in the Medical field since 1993 and even when you acquire a license , the hours are still consuming of time.
I was told to look for a program that paid full tuition, any grants, and a monthly stipend. Is this accurate? I'm applying soon for one, if it's worth it financially for me.