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How Badly Was the New Testament Corrupted? | Daniel Wallace at SDSU
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Many people believe the New Testament is corrupted and therefore unreliable - but is this true? Biblical scholar Dr. Daniel Wallace explores the reliability of the gospels. | South Dakota State University, 2018 | Explore more at www.veritas.org.
Dr. Daniel Wallace is Senior Professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary and Executive Director of the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:06:52 Dr. Daniel Wallace
00:12:18 How badly was the NT corrupted?
00:19:43 Two attitudes to avoid
00:23:45 4 Questions to answer
00:28:17 What is a textual variant?
00:35:33 An Embarrassment of Riches
00:40:02 Center for the Study of NT Manuscripts
00:46:44 New Testament compared to average classical work
00:56:01 Has the Bible been translated so often that we don't know what it originally said?
00:57:54 What kinds of textual variations are there?
01:08:47 What theological beliefs depend on textually suspect passages?
01:11:33 Has the essence of the Christian faith been corrupted by the scribes?
01:13:33 Conclusion
01:14:03 Q&A with Dr. James Murphy
I got a Bible so worn out, half the pages missing, it will still crush the devil.
I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad redeemer and write over his thorn-torn brow: the true prince of evil... The king of the slaves. I gaze into the glassy eyes of your fearsome Jehovah and pluck him by the beard; I lift a broad-axe and split open his worm-eaten skull.
Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs - Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep!
I'll pray for you demon sending you back to hell were you belong I'm talking to the demon that's in you not the person I rebuke you Satan IN JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME AMEN
@@putonthearmerofgod2037 oh man, I just got really itchy for some reason.
Say, have you ever put on the pantys of god?
@@terrylafauci791 like I said I'll pray for have a blessed day or night
@@putonthearmerofgod2037 how very thoughtful. I'll pray for you too 😁
6:52 to skip to the Keynote
Thank you
Thank you
Dr. Wallace deserves all the accolades. Anyone attending YOUR talks?
Thansk
@@tbillyjoeroth We don't need to here 6 minutes and 52 seconds of it!
Please leave this on UA-cam so that when someone who’s not a Christian and has this question, can then be directed to this lecture to get the most accurate and thorough answer I’ve ever heard, and backed by the professional credibility of Professor Wallace. No point reinventing the wheel.
They better be putting it one one of these other platforms that won't eventually 'cnx' it as being off ensive or some such. Ex: Brighteon, started by Mike Adams, committed to publishing the Truth. BC I guarantee you at some point theirtoob will be closing it down. Esp when the ant i cristo comes into rule! Closer than you think my friend. G*d bl ess. Who knows what the skewed al go rythm is set to do even to comments.
Assuming the UA-cam sensors don’t take it down lol!
@Greg W
I have watched this video and a debate between Dan Wallace and Bart Ehrman, and I have learned some things:
- "The percentage of change in the Bible was 2% during the 14 centuries in which we have manuscripts, although many of the first manuscripts that we have today were hidden during those centuries."
- "The vast majority of New Testament scholars believe that not only is the wording of the autographs recoverable, but that we did recover it in most places."
- "The reasons given by the skeptics for rejecting the New Testament are much stronger with the rejection of any other book in ancient history, so the existence of Aristotle, Greek philosophy, and everything on which we built our contemporary civilization will cease to exist."
- "The New Testament is found in about a million patristic quotations. One or two of the fathers may have written their works before the writing of the New Testament itself was completed. Up to the year 250AD we had about 15 volumes of patristic commentaries on Romans alone. Many fathers wrote about the different manuscripts and their development in their era.
- "150 years ago, we did not possess anything of what we have today. For nearly 100 years, German researchers believed that the Gospel of John was written after the year 160 AD, and they presented more than 2000 academic studies on it. Until a small fragment of 3 verses appeared in Egypt, dating back to between 100 AD and 150 AD made everything they said worthless.
Bart Ehrman says:
- "There is no major Christian doctrine based on a passage that has variants."
- "If I or my Christian teacher Metzger tried to put our version as close as possible to the first text, we would not differ by more than 50 places" (out of about 137 thousand words).
@Greg W
My summary is that the New Testament has changed but only in a few words and sentences that do not affect the main doctrines. In the future, we will discover more manuscripts that bring us closer to the original text, but with changes that will not exceed 3% of the corrected text today.
@@chrispoet3885 Correct. This fairy tale has hardly changed.
God, I love listening to genuine down-to-earth scholars! Daniel Wallace did not dissapoint.
The manuscripts Daniel Wallace talks about can be viewed on his/the CSNTM website.
Just because Bart Erhman's work is been mentioned (one of his first books which he wrote almost 20y ago as I'm typing this and 15 years at the time of the video's presentation) I'd like to point out that - after watching many hours and hours of personal interviews done with him by several different people - Bart Erhman admitted that since his first books were written, he has had changes of view or noticed an error here and there in some of his works.
This is important to understand that further/continuous research can involve the change of mind due to "a (newly) found evidence". Which made me think that perhaps from a scholarly perspective, it therefore might not be a bad idea after f.e. a decade to contact the author before citing from his/her book, to see if something has changed. (not referring to Dr Daniel Wallace here tho)
I'm glad to see that this professor who I do not know yet, aknowledges Bart in a (to me) rightful manner. To me that gives this professor credit as well! As a matter a fact, I only watched one interview done with this professor in which he elaborated on the different Bible translations and his own contribution to the NET Bible. Furthermore, I think he's doing great work in photographing all the manuscripts he can have access to and make it public to us for free!
All this are indications to me that he could be considered a credible source to take into account and thanks to him and Bart's scholarly approach towards the Bible I got convinced into buying the NET Bible (2nd Ed) with 60.000 notes on the translation of the text, which gives unseen/unaccessible context to laymen people such as myself. A Bible translation that is fairly recent and the NET Bible team which whishes to be so openly accountable that they allow requests for changes by us, the readers (provides that the basis is justified)
I can't wait to receive it :)
I'm not dissapointed by my NET Full notes edition. Is it a study Bible? Yes and no. My feel is that study Bibles tend to have a narrative going on, which is almost impossible to not have, but the NET Bible Full notes provides the potential for a larger freedom of judgement. It does not tell you how to interpret, it tells you why it was interpreted in a certain way. More options for criticism and adjustments!
Imho it's important to every human - especially religious =>raised
Here's my experience with Jesus. One night many years ago I was hit by gunfire. By all rights I should have died rite there... I was in the middle of nowhere. I looked around and thought to myself, I'm about to die. In that instant,I had an experience like no other I've ever had. I felt this " it's hard to put into words" presence come over me. I should have been freaking out but I felt the hand of God picking me up in the palm of his hand. It was Jesus and I knew it. He didn't speak in words but he let me know by that I wasn't gonna die. And I knew without a shadow of doubt I'd live through it. The person that shot me was a friend of mine. He mistook me for a deer. Anyway, I should have changed my ways back then but I didn't. I found out just how real the devil " Satan" is. Im 59 now and just turned my will and my life over to the care of God. It's not easy. It's taking a lot of work. I fight the devil and his demonic minions daily. He wants me dead! He wants you too. Believe that.
You are the demons!! It's all in your mind. It ain't in my mind. We're all gonna die and we go home, we go to a higher frequency of light. You want to believe in satan, and demons, go ahead, I'm sick of preachers trying to tell me what's in my head. God Is love, we are here to learn lessons, there is life after death. When I go, I don't want to come back here. Too much hate and violence for me. We have to kill to survive. I'm sick of the game.
@@bryceanderson9267 . But really, were not doing too bad, for a primate species only several millennia removed from the trees .
Think I'll go eat a banana !
That’s true 💯💯
Was it God's hand that scooped you up, or jesus....THEY ARE NOT THE SAME
You dont hear stories pf the devil helping people ,I leand a long time ago that the most dangerous person in the woods may be the one you are hunting with ,I am glad to dodge the bullet.that is a good testimony brother.
I don't know but I wouldn't want to have to face God the creator after corrupting his word.
@@revan552 No answer, no Evidence just assuming...
@@revan552 I don't think you read the Quran. Give your reference what you don't agree with.
@@yaseenmeyer8452 If anyone tells of another way to get into heaven other than through the belief in the Resurrection of Yeshua he is to be ignored. So did Mohammad see an angel of light in a cave then tell him to kill the people of the book after he could not convert them to the demon-god of this earth?
@@revan552 so you got a problem with the jews?
@@revan552 dick head their God is the GOD of creation. that's how! religion is doing something to get into heaven. They already know it is a free gift. Satan sells works to get into his false heaven. do not fuck with Yeshua. Your unbelief is telling Yeshua you do not want HIm in your life. Satan is Going to the lake of fire for wanting to be his own god. does that sound like someone you know?
The presence of God is all the proof you need. Ask a Christian if they've experienced any overwhelming experiences with God.
After experiencing the presence of God their is no denying his existence.
The Fear of God is the beginning of understanding. Seek him out and you will find all the answers your looking for.
i get the presence of God as a muslim
It was not certainly bad! Only humans who hardened their hearts in these modern times are ignorantly questioning it. Just live with these two greatest commandments,
“Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself. ' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
I think 99% of the comments watched the first 5 minutes and ASSUMED they know the rest. (Short attention span theater)
This is actually a very well researched lecture CONFIMING the accuracy of the text.
Yes, 500,000 copies will produce textual variations that ALL HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE!!!
I almost clicked off because of comments but figured people were exercising contempt prior to investigation!
Great lecture!!!
a common problem online. I myself have even fallen victim when I thought I knew where a video was going, but later context proved me wrong on a long video. now if the video is six hours long (and multiple parts!), one can be forgiven, but still. (mine was less than an hour, iirc).
Static in the attic www.alislam.org/book/jesus-in-india/
XSC 3 www.alislam.org/book/jesus-in-india/
@@peaceloveandcompassion6185 I haven't read this particular book, but did study the claims (that Jesus went to India and/or Japan) many years ago. these ideas are essentially based on garbled versions of very late legends (centuries after the New Testament was written), and are not reliable. the idea that Jesus survived crucifixion is a modern one, born out of the modernist/liberal Christian movement that tried to explain away miracles as naturalistic phenomenon to make it palatable to materialists. Islam declares that Jesus was not crucified, but that another was crucified in his place and it was miraculously made to appear that it happened. this too seems to be based on a garbled re-telling of a later Gnostic belief. certain Gnostics claimed (at least a century after Jesus' death, and many decades after the NT books were written) that Jesus Christ had no physical body (or that "Christ" was the divine being and "Jesus" was just his human shell) and that the divine being could not be killed and so he "laughed" at those crucifying him and floated away, leaving the fleshy "shell" to die. for Gnostics (the docetic version 2nd, 3rd century, denounced as heresy), the world of matter was the creation of a lesser, fallen god they called "the demiurge" and the true, Spiritual God had nothing to do with the Old Testament or the Creation. this "new" God was revealed first by Jesus, that the human race consisted of some people who were truly just animals, but some had a divine spark trapped in fleshy prison and only secret gnosis (knowledge) could free them to escape the body at death and become pure spirits to eventually reunite with the unknown spiritual God. it's nothing to do with ancient apostolic (1st century) Christianity. the Quran's view on Jesus is 7th century. hope that helps
XSC 3 Thank you so much for your detailed response.❤️❤️ Humble request: Please spare some time to read this book just once. God bless you.
The New Testament lay hidden in the Old Testament, and the Old is revealed in the New Testament.
herc358 best comment!
this truth is known among the orthodox christians...very cool comment!
παναγιωτης καραγιαννης the Septuagint of course, I’m Catholic ‘Latin rite’. God Bless my Orthodox brethren.
@@herc358 god bless you and your family.
@@RockBrentwood i think that theology is a very difficult topic, and the differencies that the churches have are on the interpratation,also politics and power,and cultural diferencies between nations.We all want to learn the truth....
impressive - Wallace came across very knowledgeable and committed to truth - personally having come through a fair amount of theological education was shocked when only in 2020 I came across a research that I put here on YT into a playlist "Untold History of the Bible" - well, people here might not jump to this conclusion, but I do believe that there is a fair amount of credibility in these insights, worthwhile to be informed about
😅o😅😅o
If you don't know who Daniel Wallace is, he wrote the gold standard Intermediate-Advanced Greek Grammar book "Greek Grammar beyond the Basics". He spent 17 years writing this book examining ancient manuscripts for grammar usage. He has also been on multiple bible translation committees, NIV, NET come to mind.
Ask the Vatican to release the original and get the rest from the library basement in D.C..
Heir grace, you might be disappointed and shocked, if the Vatican releases the lies.... remember the bible was made up and written 200 years after Christ.... so you know to take it with a grain of salt....it makes good read and literature. 👿👿⁉️
I've drawn far too many connections between the old and new testaments, like god is leaving messages with one generation, to parallel into another! It reminds me of the way he set up DNA and how so many variants one species can have. He seems to have a knack for folding information over, and it still makes sense folded and unfolded... i mean that's some sort of supreme, divine intelligence i can't even begin to fathom...
Or human imagination of the time with authority over the masses simply kept making up magic fairy tale stories as to continue politicly fleecing ignorant Sheeple generation after generation.
@Robert Cameron "The Truth",It's Called Science.
@Robert Cameron The following can indicate a delusion:[16]
The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force, even when evidence suggests the contradictory.
That idea appears to have an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
Despite their profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to them, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. They will not accept any other opinions.
The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural, and religious background.
The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in light of the delusional beliefs.
Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
Additional features of delusional disorder include the following:[16]
It is a primary disorder.
It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the patient clings with extraordinary tenacity.
The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.
The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.
The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.
@Robert Cameron Agh,Delusions of grandeur based on Magic Fairy Tale Stories ARE NOT REALITY, NOR TRUTH.
@Robert Cameron Delusions of Grandeur based on already Scientifically proven False Childrens Magic Fairy Tale stories is NOT "Wisdom" nor "Fact of Truth." Reality deals with real things.TO PROMOTE Fantasy Magic Delusions of Grandeur is INSANITY and irresponsible behavior as an adult human being living in the year 2020. Grow up.
I would rather live the way Jesus lived, which doesn't hurt absolutely anyone, and not gamble my soul then to live otherwise.
how do you stick with jesus without bible😀my friend it is through bible that you came to know jesus,and now it has been changed so you think you follow jesus but you are not
@@shabamuhidin634 Jesus didn't seek to start a new religion. He taught that god's laws are the way and that the temple and priests had corrupted this divine truth and deceiving willing sinners. This truth is evident despite the authors need to validate the authority of the messenger and Paul's desire to expand the message by whatever means. Whether it was jesus or john or judas one of the zealot sects that was seeking to expose the corruption of the temple and priest would have still spread and survived.
You don't need to follow Jesus or anything else to live a good life. To say you are following him not to gamble your soul is a horrible reason and would sound kind of phony to a real Jesus if such an entity exists. You either believe it all 100% or you don't. There is no hedging your bets here.
why should it be? the church teaches whatever your mistakes are, how bad you are, Jesus will atone for your sins, you will still go to heaven
Well I look forward to seeing you on the cross soon.
All these PhD Bible scholars saying that the Bible has been corrupted, it’s easy to arrive at this conclusion with all the modern education and resources and the trend! Well done!
But let me remind everyone that the Quran has already arrived at that conclusion 1400 years ago without PhDs and modern education and resources!
Fk u and ur quran. The book for perverts, pedophiles and murderers.
Idiot..
@@BH-wj4jj I bet you're a Christian man.
@@BH-wj4jj I don’t think you’ve read the Koran or the Old Testament for that matter - I pray that your hatred and anger is lifted from your soul; it is a serious spiritual burden that will impact all aspects of your life. May God have mercy upon you
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You say the Koran says that the Bible was corrupted, where does it say this? It doesn't, you don't know your own religion. In fact the Koran confirms the Bible it tells Muslims that if they're in any doubt ask the people of the book, ie Christians and Jews.
@@MyLifeInTheDesert That will fix it, prayer, yeah!!
Can’t we all just love one another? And be kind to all creation? Is it that hard?
It is when everyone wants that love to come from a specific place instead of love simply being love
Does love require approval and agreement of all behavior?
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7)
Michael Wriston
Perhaps, Paul who wrote
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" should have taken his own advice. For he wrote much nonsense.
No one listens to Paul anyway .
@John Steel . ' Evangelicals ' don't count ! They're retarded !
@Pierre DUMONT . To evangelicals, scientific reality doesn't exist .
@Pierre DUMONT . You are naturally incorrect about Hawking and Einstein !
Einstein believed in 'Spinoza's god' .
And who are these ' etc., etc.' ' scientists' ?
Call no man Father: for you only have one Father and he is in Heaven
What a STUPID statement !
AMEN TO THAT !!!
@Bert Clayton
You dont know scripture buddy. Satan was behind the formation of the catholic church.
How else can one explain the outright heresies that are at its very core?
No dude, there are to be NO "apostolic" or "spiritual" fathers. Thats the point of this particular teaching and warning by Christ.
He was speaking to the Pharisees who affected titles for themselves such as Teacher, Master, and Father. As if they were the source of truth rather than God. This is exactly what the catholics do, and it is in direct opposition to scripture.
Noone should seek or receive a title that belongs to God alone. And NOONE should be revered as he is. Its satanic.
Jesus is the head of the church. Period. And he is the ONLY one to whom our prayers should be directed. He alone is the author and bestower of salvation. No man can give it or take it away. There is no scriptural basis for the hierarchy practiced by the catholic church. Again it opposes scripture.
The priest as father is certainly unbiblical, the pope as Holy father is blasphemous. NOONE is holy.
Earthly, fleshly fathers are not the target of Christ's message here.
It warns against the exact thing the catholics do.
Here are a few more heresies of the catholic church designed specifically to replace God's authority with that of this most Unholy of "churches".
Infant baptism, the infallibility of the pope(only recently modified, and disgusting and wicked), the confessional box, the selling of indulgences, absolving of sins, the celibacy of the priesthood, holy water, excommunication, its wealth and greed, its nearly 1700 yr. history of keeping the Bible out of the hands of their congregations(again, this is opposite of what the Bible teaches) and the murder of hundreds of those who tried to make it available.
I could keep this list of the satanic practices of this cult going all day.
@Cheetos Martini
There are no talking snakes in the Bible. Please know what youre talking about before you talk. Its a way Ive found out to not look like an idiot.
@@ahmadamiruddinmohd3102
King and Pharoah mean the same thing. Nothing to differentiate. Stupid.
We are told to avoid vain controversies....it is only those who are stuck in academia or who are enemies of Christ who have difficulties with the gospels....those who love the Lord have no problem with His Word and believing it.
Val P your comment: We are told to avoid vain controversies....it is only those who are stuck in academia or who are enemies of Christ who have difficulties with the gospels....those who love the Lord have no problem with His Word and believing it.
Reply: Well You can bury your head in the sand as much as you like......but sooner or later you will have to come up for air. No educated and informed person would hold a point of view like that which you have suggested. it will mislead others. . Remember You are also told by the the lord .....to love him with your heart & soul along with your mind ! That's when you will come to know that The Bible is the plagiarized work of around 40 anonymous writers who did not even know that their writings would be called " the Holy Bible". because all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness.
Consider this: Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers ... the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection. Whoever wrote Matthew did not call it "The Gospel according to Matthew." The persons who gave it that title are telling you who, in their opinion, wrote it. Authors never title their books "according to."
To this day nobody knows who wrote these works. Later much Later Some unknown hands collected the writings of these anonymous writers put them between hard covers and stuck the words "Holy Bible" on the cover? Who were these Guys ...." Nobody knows! Who gave them the Authority to call it Holy ? Nobody knows......though the current Bible has some reference to the "one true God" ....and some sermonizing .....besides that it has almost no guidance for the Human race.
“In Matthew, Jesus declares, “Whoever is not with me is against me.” In Mark, he says, “Whoever is not against us is for us.” Did he say both things? Could he mean both things? How can both be true at once? Or is it possible that Jesus did not say these things at all ??
The bible therefore is a book that does not inspire any confidence with regards to reliability. Here's another shock: ONLY in the latest of the Gospels, John, does Jesus indicate that he is divine. Why ? Reflect and one will come to realize that none of the earliest traditions indicates that Jesus said any such thing about himself. And surely if Jesus had really spent his days in Galilee and then Jerusalem calling himself God, all of the sources prior to John would be eager to report it. To put it differently, if Jesus claimed he was divine, it seemed very strange indeed that Matthew, Mark, and Luke ALL failed to say anything about it.
Did they just forget to mention that part?
Reflect & we come to realize that Jesus’ divinity is part of John’s theology, not a part of Jesus’ own teaching. As Muslims, we are blessed to believe in the Gospel given to Jesus the son of Mary, and taught to avoid like plague the Gospel of Tom ,Dick Harry or Potter which you are boasting about! ... In fact you Val P are the enemy of Christ. Search for the truth......its called ISLAM !
Your comment is right on point! I was listening to the (lengthy!)introductions..., what they said was all of the academic titles, degrees, published works, etc. As if to give "weight" to their opinions..., I believe that if Almighty God had inspired the writers of the Bible, both Old & New Testaments..., why wouldn't He ensure that His Word was copied/printed accurately throughout time? We have ancient preserved original texts of the Babylonians, Sumerians, & Egyptians to name a few.These date back thousands of years..., no one really questions their authenticity w/virulent attacks as is done to the Holy Word of God!
Also we have the famous Dead Sea scrolls..., which when compared to modern copies of the Bible were found to be very accurate..., and they date back two thousand years!
"Trust and believe WITHOUT QUESTION OR ESE. " 😆
@@salimhusain2814
😂 You are so funny. Why if God gave you the original Quran has it so many versions? Christian scholars admit there are minor human errors in the bible. It doesn’t invalidate the church doctrines. Your so called scriptures are borrowed from heretical and childish folktales, writings that Christianity rejected. So tiresome to see Muslims lying about religion. You have no valid proof for any of your vicious allegations.
Thousands of copies were made of the new testament shortly after the death and resurrection of Christ, while Plato had a few copies of his work and took thousands of years for more copies to be made of the copies
Nobody cares about Plato. If Plato's works were forgery, who cares? Ask any person in the street if he cares about Plato or any of his works. In fact, if Plato was just an imaginary person, nobody would care either.
@@freddiereadie30 You should read what Plato said about people living in caves.
@@timothygoetzinger3039
Did Plato really say that? Or was someone else pretending to be Plato said that?
Not true at all. The earliest copy of any part of NT is circa mid 100-200 AD. Keep also in mind NT did not exist until council of Nicea around mid 350AD I think decided what codexes to include as part of the what we call today as the NT. Then I don't even to highlight all the other issues with these early writings, their accuracy of actual events and what was being said, authority, political and theological propaganda.. How accurate would you think anything would be if you had to write an complete account of exactly what the the french king in 1700s did and said? I don't think it will be close to be accurate and also purely based on hearsay. Then why on earth to people believe it is the "Word of GOD"?
@@petrusrossouw6018
In the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus had many spoken words. And yet, the Gospel of Barnabas was declared as Apocrypha, meaning whoever wrote that stuff was inventing dialogues and putting them in Jesus' mouth.
In fact, the Gospel of John itself carried a fabricated story wherein Jesus allegedly said "Whoever committed no sin can cast the first stone". And Bible scholars agreed this story never happened. Authors have been inventing dialogues of Jesus, and this story of the Adulterous Woman is canon! It's crazy! Just because the fake story is very inspiring, they declared it canon!
27:10 please prove that there are different versions of the original Quran. provide the links. (note : original Quran is in Arabic. translation in various languages are aplenty).
Othman burn the original check your history.
@@islagames why and how did he end up burning them
@@islagames that was not "different versions" as opposed to the current Bible which is very glaring.
@@Matt-px2ev if you are open minded. Think. Othman the one who claimed Mohammed was illiterate in his writing. Mohammed(PUBH)possibly wrote the Koran. Impossible Mohammed didn't know how to write.Very Impossible. Othman probably edited the Koran.logic for the burning.
@@xchannel1583 so he have his own version. Ask some Islamic scholars
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The miracle of the preservation of God’s Word isn’t in its lack of manipulation. Rather, it is in the fact that, after every malevolent force in the world manipulating it at _every_ available opportunity; we *still* have just enough evidence and resources available to us in order to arrive at a reliable understanding of Truth.
What if what you have is NOT God's Word, but a mere text PRESENTED AS "God's Word"? What if the "malevolent" forces such as the Roman empire corrupted Jesus' messages and teachings through the works of their anti-Christ agent Saul, a.k.a. Paul?
@@edinfific2576 Dr Wallace is literally saying in the video at 2:01:14 the record of early church fathers not disputing Paul. If this were the case then you would have to forge or otherwise twist the words of other existing commentary at the time.
@@ghollisjr • Great handle!
Thank you! This was a wonderful well supported lecture. I really enjoyed it! 🥰🙏❤️
Many different Qurans? As a Muslim I can certainly tell you that's a lie. There are different translations that may differ in wording but there aren't different Qurans.
Chapter (15) sūrat l-ḥij'r verse 9.
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."
There is only one Arabic Quran the rest is just a translation.
@@nothingbutztruth9368 exactly. There are variations in the manuscripts in terms of pronunciation and recitation. There are 7 different permissible ways in which the Quran can be recited. They don't understand this. They don't read or speak the Arabic of the Quran yet they're supposed to be experts on it. When we say there are different bibles we mean there are entire verse that have either been altered or completely omitted in certain cases. That's considered different.
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Why is it that 50% of all doctoral speakers wear Hawaiian shirts? Lol
Because like them....they are cheap and dime a dozen!
*same reason I used to wear jeans to the office despite being told everyday not to do it again. You want to feel like youre on vacation on a job where you're given vacation time you can never actually use because you dont have the time.*
@@thetruthchannel349 hahaha nice
Is it corrupted? Read the original texts and literal translations to see for sure.
If you are looking for salvation for your eternal soul, you will most certainly
find it reading the Word of God (any and all versions you are able to), and
pray The Holy Spirit of God guide you into all the truth, just as promised.
the aramaic , the original does not excis anymore. the oldest we have now is the greec,(its not the language of jesus)
@@dreamreality8956 Jesus spoke greek, hebrew, aramaic.
You are presuming that God would allow us to be born into a world like this one without hope accept through Jesus; and no one else. I say we before we come (are born here) know why and for what purpose. When we are born we lose that memory. We live one life separated by many deaths and births and I don't have a problem with that. It takes intelligent consciousness first + conscientiousness to successfully create a universe. Science and art are required. Energy is a necessity. God where did you get energy? What was its original form? Did another teach you? Are you still learning?
No, it hasn't been corrupted. It's still the same nonsense it was 2000 years ago.
Corrupted !? 😂 The New Testament is, by far (light years) the purest text that we have from Antiquity. More than 66,000 manuscript copies with approximately 96% purity of transmission. Ask just about any professional historian.
We are taught that, but you are incorrect. It is written in Jeremiah 8. Scholars have proven that the Catholic church had its hand in it. They even admit it!
It's corrupted!
The problem is not whether it is corrupted, but the ways in which it is corrupting, and is used or misused by those who are also.
The Holy Spirit preserves God's Word and he does teach us and enables us to discern a false teacher.
Amen
9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job
Of course you say this without evidence just because it fits your faith.
Why not look at it objectively?
You want to know the truth?
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job Islam is similar to Christianity and Judaism in a very significant way that discredits then all. They trust and follow man and not the Most High.
How discern a false interpreter?
brothers and sisters in the Lord need the baptism in the Holy Spirit; the Lord said of the Holy Spirit, will lead you into ALL truth. he said this to his disciples. and then told them to tarry and at 'first fruits', the Holy Spirit fell on them, and us when now the grace of God is there for us to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and pray in our heavenly language tongues to the Lord Yeshua and the Heavenly Father after this baptism
It,s Real.Thank you,I can't thank all of you guys who have commented here defending the true word of God. God uphold you.
Agreed
I thank it's great that all the effort was put in saying .The controversy is irrelevant to the truth.An the truth remains the same no matter how you try to discredit it.God is real an Christ is the only way.
I read the Bible from cover to cover and it took me a long time. I did skip over the begot some of the letters and what the book and verse were. It really is a good book . There’s a word called faith. You either believe or you don’t . Revelations 22:19 Warns About taking words away from the Bible so we already know it’s been changed. We also know right fro wrong. If you believe in Jesus you will be saved . The Bible does tell us that throughout the Bible. I think there’s a lot of books that wasn’t included sitting at the Vatican in a secret room that was locked away because the church decided no one should ever know what those books say.. I also think it’s good to have a personal relationship with a Jesus. I’ve heard the pope in video say that was dangerous. And I know that I feel closer to the lord sitting out in nature then sitting in a church.
its better to know than to believe, cos you might be believing in som nonsense
@@solomonaryeetey6934 It doesn’t matter if it’s nonsense because you will be dead, and if it’s not nonsense then you will either be resurrected into life or you will be resurrected for your second death which is the lake of fire. That’s why you need faith. John 20:29. Jesus told him “ you believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me”. You probably don’t believe because you have never experienced God working in your life and you probably won’t because you don’t believe. Do you believe in ghosts? I do because I’ve experience them growing up in a house where things would happen. I know that it real so there’s no reason for me to not believe Jesus isn’t real because I know he is. Can I prove it, no. But I don’t really need to prove it do I. That’s a choice you make on your own . To have a personal relationship with Jesus or not.
The begots are very important. It shows Jesus bloodline and much more. Chuck Missler from Koinia House in Idaho, has the most interesting and compelling teaching on Why God's signature is in the texts. You'll learn an amazing study.
Highly recommend Chuck Missler 🙏
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Mark Correll on you tube. Has a very interesting study of the 🌟 's. God named them all. Names or words have meaning.
In the beginning God created the stars for Illumination.
You will be illuminated !
Your welcome 🙏
Much Love.
Just follow a book that isn’t corrupt.... the Quran which god himself promised to preserve
I’m really honored to have come across this informative lecture
Well done professor
What is your Faith if it is based on this or that...all of this does not change my faith or believes...
@@loismayette2747 was it meant to?
People of today live by the philosophy of Alister Crowley whether they know it or not “ Do what thou wilt” which is do your will not Gods and it’s more obvious than ever even though it’s been happening for decades.
Who is alister crowley AMD when was he/she born
@ Eric White
The Illuminati want you to believe that they worship Lucifer but in reality they worship the god of war! All WARS created by the Illuminati Through their Chief Archon!
This world is run by the Queen of England on the quite! Elizabeth Saxe Coburg Gotha is under the control by the CHIEF ARCHON JEHOVAH THE EVIL GOD OF THE BIBLE! AND HIS ARCHONS! The "secret rulers of this world" the evil spirits! That's why they have Jehovah's name in a pyramid on most churches, the Queens throne.
That's why the freemasons use the name Jehovah and the bible in their sick rituals! The god of war and evil! According to the GNOSTIC SCROLLS Jehovah is the CHIEF ARCHON and has been running the world right from the beginning with his spirit creatures Archons he created!
Exodus 15:3-The Lord is a man of war. .
Psalm @-He teacheth my hands to war.
Psalm 144:1-Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacloth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Psalm 137:9_ A blessing on the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock!
WHAT A LOVING GOD RIGHT?
This is the god of eden Jehovah saying! Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version):
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things!
The entity who was trying to teach mankind the knowledge of good and evil was not Satan or devil. The Serpent was someone labeled evil by those who were taking over the human race. The Serpent was trying to liberate the human race from its bondage.
Evil cannot succeed without deception. This is why it uses the "good works" organization of Freemasonry to hide behind. It uses Freemasonry to control the world as proclaimed in the bible.
And some of us know that the Queen of England controls the Illuminati freemasons!
Many times in the past all the governments has lied to and has withheld information from the people. It has violated human rights laws. These traits match that of "God" in Eden. There is undeniable evidence which proves that earth is set up to empower those who control it and that they have evil intentions towards the human race.
All the governments of the world, you may have noticed its behaviour exhibits the same as by god in Eden. There is no difference between the two!
King James Bible
The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.
The "original sin" was created to keep us away from knowledge,... THE FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE!!!!
The god of Eden is misleading the entire "earth"!
And this is why?
@ Eric White
Christians incessantly claim that "The Devil Deceives" "The Devil Deceives..." What they fail to see is that everything they accuse the Devil of is really the God that they worship, known as Yaweh/Jehova.
Everything that the Christians accuse the "Devil" of, is really of their own God. This is proven in the Biblical scriptures:
"A Murderer and a Liar from the Beginning"
"Human Hating"
"He Deceiveth all of the Nations"
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@@staytuned9320 Barbara Bush's real father, no joke.
What motivation would the first, second and third century martyrs have to distort the New Testament and then die for it under extreme torture?
Or for that matter why would saul/paul have a complete change of heart from torturing Christians to become a martyr and follow of Christ's?
Because they actually believed it. The same reasons the Heavens Gate cult followed their leader into suicide. The same reasons the Baptist Jim Jones lead his followers to their death
@@ronfoss9723 In both those cases that you stated the individual's were brainwashed and in a controlled environment. In the case of the disciples, they were not in a controlled environment and whom were they brainwashed by?
You're forgetting also the empty tomb. All any critic had to do at that time was point out that Jesus's body was still the tomb and that would have been the end of it but they didn't because it wasn't and critics were aware of this and information exists on that outside of the bible. Historians/scholars that were not Christians mention an empty tomb. The Toledoth Jesu, a compilation of early Jewish writings, is one source acknowledging this. It acknowledges that the tomb was empty, and attempts to explain it away. Further, we have a record of a second century debate between a Christian and a Jew, in which a reference is made to the fact that the Jews state the tomb was empty . So it is pretty well established that the early Jews admitted the empty tomb. Even if they tried to explain it away.
Also, the disciples DIDN'T exactly display the typical trademarks of those who were brainwashed.
Remember they themselves were reluctant to believe Jesus had risen. They had all run like cowards and abandoned him the night he was crucified and they were all ready to go back to a life of fishing. Hardly the attitude of brainwashed individual.
Even Thomas didn't take the word of his friends when they swore they had seen Jesus and he had risen. His response; unless I see for myself and put my hands in the holes of his hands and side, I will not believe. Well that same doubting Thomas got his wish and latter went on to die for his belief.
You also have to take in an account the likes of Paul and Jesus's brother James who were originally outsiders and had originally opposed the the disciples and James Jesus's own brother originally thought his brother was mentally disturbed when he would go around proclaiming he was The way the truth and the life. But like Thomas he had a complete about face after the resurrection. Both James and Paul who originally could have been compared to an Isis member of his day because he took great pleasure in torturing and killing Christians but like James he too seemingly had a complete sudden change of heart. Believing to the point of now dying just like James for his change in attitude.
Also, there is a huge difference in both the examples that you gave regarding heaven's gate and Jim jones. The disciples didn't just swallow a pill and die or drink a cup cup of cyanide.
All of them were tourted. Not just once and done, they lived a miserable life and a tortured existence. Some were boiled in animal fat, or stoned, burried alive, beaten and flogged over and over again, their skin being ripped apart. They were thrown in prison and some burned alive or crucified. This goes well beyond simply being brainwashed imo.
It would take a lot more than just a cult leader to persuade someone to live as these disciples did or have the about face that Paul, Jude and James had.
@@ronfoss9723 Please get your facts straight - Jones was a Seventh Day Adventist.
@@ronfoss9723 Please get your facts straight - Jones was a Seventh Day Adventist.
If you have been given the Holy Spirit , your eyes are open to the word of God very differently than those unfortunate souls who try to use Man’s minor intellect to go around in foolish circles
Pray to God for the truth with a Pute heart
If you are chosen the Holy Spirit will guide you
But your heart my brother free of all thoughts … just Gods truth
He will answer
There is no god
@@jenniperkins4260 and God does loves you and wants you to love him too
Roman's 13 for confirmation of problems with latest translations! KJV says follow Godly leaders whereas new translations say all leaders come from God! I know of leaders that came from Satan, not God! :-)
KJV is the perfect word of God.
@@Duciousness 💯%!!
Amen!!
God didn't write the kjv... We know that version was written to suit "King James" wants and needs
One just needs divine thoughts to connect to God.
I read the NIV and was saved in an amazing experience with Jesus 4 days after reading.
At 27 I was angry with many bad life experiences but I chose to sit and read John.
What I have found out is that Jesus Christ and God The Father are with us, they never left us. Through just knowing that God is in your heart and give thanks to Him and His light shine.
It's not about the church but the children of God.
Believe and you will receive
So how are we saved ? And what are we saved from ?
That should scare the hell out of a whole lot of people.
Sorry man. You're so deluded if you think believing in God is the was. You should believe and OBEY him. He said worship me alone, he said fast, he said don't eat pork, he said so many other things and told us specifically how we enter Paradise or how we end up in hell. So if we do not follow these instructions that God instructed why should we listen and believe the human who call themselves "priests"?
God did not make us Divine and surly don't expect us to be. your opinion is out of order and faults cording to reallity. We are rags and any works are sin. Jesus took all this and we are to believe it. if not thats ok too. WE HAVE FREE WILL . Also believers are not stupid enough to join 3000 degree temps unless a nazi takes over and burns christians and baby's again like they did to 20 million of them. Jesus just sat there and watched. but may be these so called christians were bad for all we know. but then yet who would believe that or make up such a story. Nature is cruel whether a believer or so called divine will still get burnt or cancer or hit by a tornado hurricane heart attack or just shrible up rot and DIE. You know it and your dead dog duke knows it if you ever had one.
Nope. God is not real
Religion is Satanic
They want you a slave and you;ll
NEVER find the 1 true spirit with religion
or a fake God or Deity
SOrry
Religion is Satanic
Not real
Conclusion: The New Testament in all essentials and in the vast majority of particulars is absolutely certain.
Brothers and Sisters, read you Bible. Simple as that.
Love
@Maester Auron You should relax, you will live longer. Racist ;)
God bless you brother
@Richard Fox You will brother ;)
Maester Auron what makes you think the NT is for white people? Have you read the Bible? Who said God made any mistakes? Where do these assumptions of yours come from?
If your foundation is racism and hatred, then that which you build on it will be informed by racism and hatred. If your foundation is built on the rock of God’s Word, then you will never be fooled by the ways of the world, or the powers that seek to divide us.
Have white people done innumerable evils while invoking the name of God? Yes! And they’re not the only ones! They will all be judged that much more harshly on the last day, for bearing false witness against the LORD’s name.
You will be judged just the same as the rest, so I pray you turn away from your hate; nothing is gained by it. Racism begets racism, hate begets hate, but by the same way, love begets love. We can ALL be brothers and sisters, serving one another, in the spirit of truth and reconciliation that was always of God, that Jesus Christ and his apostles made known to all the world. The truths therein are eternal, and were always with God before mankind. I hope you look for truth, my brother. Until then, go with peace, and be blessed.
Silence is gold ;)
I have read the bible that's what made me an athiest
Why would you call this lecture under the banner 'Veritas'?
I have the original Greek, the original Aramei the original Hebrew. I can make my own translation if I want to. Some scrolls were found just last century. At the end of the day is about faith, nothing else!
Your last remark is true, but nobody has any original writings of the bible in whatever language, all are copy’s however old they are
There is no original in Hebrew it was written in Greek. None of the gospels agree, the New Testament is a mess for example Acts states G d raised Jesus from the dead Paul says that Jesus appeared only in spirit not a revivified body, the gospels weren’t written until 40-70 years after the death of Jesus and include a genealogy for a virgin birth when numbers states that the tribe comes from the father. But the church says Jesus is G d, G d didn’t resurrect himself. Jesus stated “why do you call me good only the father in Heaven is good”. So Jesus never said he was G d. Organized religion wrote and adjusted the New Testament to control people (and destroy other beliefs) case in point romans 13 which advocates that government MUST be obeyed because they are there to carry out G d’s wrath. So Stalin and Hitler are legitimate according to Paul simply placed there by G d to carry out G d’s anger!!! The New Testament misquotes Jesus a follower of the Old Testament.
The Bible is the only book where the Author is present every time it is read.
expound? please im curious
That how I can tell people that I don’t drink alone. So I’m not an alcoholic.
The author is always present in some way in any text.
God didn't write the Bible, nor did God engage in divine dictation. The various books that comprise the Bible were written by human authors, about what they believed to have been their experience of God.
@@markpkessinger I never said God did write the bible. The bible was written by human beings inspired by their experience. The bible is an account of their faith journey. However, the people who wrote it may have been inspired by the Holy Spirit/ divine spark/ divine. And it’s not something you can ever prove or disprove.
SO frustrating that we can not see all the visual aids! There was a camera to look around him from the back, but, the director couldn't spare one for the screen?
Whitt McKinney he's full of lies snd only ppl that believe him are those that love their sins and hate God.
@@christianman5093 Obviously, you didn't watch it and are just running based off what you think he says based on the title.
I could listen to this man all day. Excellent presentation.
*Alleged hearsay, with no way to confirm.*
With no 1st person testimony of the "living Jesus" in the bible, and having been written down decades after the events, and having no originals,
it boggles my mind how any biblical scholar can claim to know with any level of certainty, _anything that Jesus said or did._
Dan Brown??
That guy was found to be a fraud years ago. Even Bart Ehrman, a devout Agnostic, crucifies Dan Brown
God said, My word will be preserved. So It has been preserved.
Psalms 12:6&7
*The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.*
DEFEND YOUR FICTIONAL CHRIST !
David Mahfuz The Fool says
“in his heart there is No God”! 🤐
@@P.H.888 . But I didn't say that .
So, only the stuff Jesus says in the new testament. And how about the 30, or so, volumes of Jewish scripture which isn't in the Christian old testament?
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You propose that Christ is a Fictional character?
Wow, you have a lot of explaining to do. There are more accounts of Christ Jesus than there are of you. Prove you're not a robot, post a real avatar.
We'll start there.
It is proven that characters on the internet are just coded lines in an algorithm that have loaded responses.
So, prove that you are not fictional.
This professor is my hero! He tackles such an important topic with both personal passion and conviction. He holds his audience captive with jab after jab of intellectual, tongue in cheek humor. What a superbly done lecture! I was fed intellectually, spiritually, and not only that, but gifted with the infectious giggles! THANK YOU PROFESSOR DANIEL WALLACE!!!!
I cheerfully agree with you. Thank you.
Also agreed.
BTW @Central Kids...
your comment-writing is stellar. Just sayin... it's something I do as part of my living :)
Better off listening to Jim Wallace.
@@radiofacevoiceoverer839 Thanks Mon Amigo ;)
People like you have a religion. Love at the passion and belief you hold in your own thoughts and science. Science that says it is never completed.
Dan says "this is not affecting any essential Christian belief" WRONG!!
For example 1John 5:7. This is one of the verses that confirm the Tri-unity of the Godhead.
KJV - 1Cor 1:18 which ARE SAVED...
NASB, NIV, ESV, NET - 1Cor 1:18 which are BEING SAVED...
KJV - 1Cor 2:15 that ARE SAVED...
NASB, NIV, ESV, NET etc - 2 Cor 2:15 who are BEING SAVED...
We are not being saved (by works) we are saved (by faith). And have the assurance of eternal life - 1 John 5: 13...that ye may know that ye have eternal life...
Romans 4:5 KJV - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Acts 16: 31... believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
53:15 The Bible was the first book printed on the 15th century Gutenberg printing press.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil.
Proverbs 3:7 KJV
@Humble Guy
What are you one of those niv only nuts ?
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A Fool hates wisdom and instruction, but always loves expressing his own opinion .
proverbs 18:2
David Mahfuz is a great example .
I'm an anti-theist !
BOO !
@@davidmahfuz5721 boo?
@@davidmahfuz5721
Dude
You are a slow motion train wreck.
Why do you even post? You haven't a leg to stand on.
Boo??
LMAO
@@Alec_Cox . I post to scare theists. It's a well known fact that theists get scared at the drop of a hat. Add to that the fact that most religious conservaturd republicons also 'suffer' from 'cognitive dissonance' , how can one anti-theist resist fucking with their 'minds' , such as they are ?
BOO !
David Mahfuz the term cognitive dissonance applies to all humans. We are in a battle against principalities of darkness and choosing to see meaning and be conscious of ourselves and behaviors in world that’s following the satanic belief of “do what thou wilt”, so yes we struggle more than those who please the devil. He has no reason to torment you now because he has eternity to do that if you’re one of his mindless zombies. It’s also ironic that you say boo because these demons can influence the minds of men and I see one if speaking through you directly in the most literal sense it seems. I pray you one day soften your hardened heart long enough to see the truth.
Who decided which gospels to include or exclude from the bible, and what were their reasons?
_Nobody knows._
There is nothing impossible for God no even make men be guided by his holy spirit, write a book and preserve the message through the time and times.
@Bert Clayton Nobody in the Catholic church has ever been saved. The Catholic church did not keep and preserve the bible all those years. Roman Catholicism has always been a works based false religion, with idols and false gods.
It's not hard to figure out how God preserved His Word. Look at he book of Revelation. It was written to the seven churches in Asia. A copy was sent out to all of them. The letters that make up the NT were written and sent out, then copied and passed on.
To say that the old testament was taught to Christians in synagogues is not logical. Although Jesus and the apostles taught in the synagogues, it was not where the churches met. Jesus referred to the Jews as the "synagogue of Satan" in Rev 2:9 and 3:9. The Romans may have persecuted and killed the saints later on, and the Catholic church continued that practice, but the Jews were the ones persecuting and killing the saints in the first century.
They appointed deacons to serve in the church so that the elders could labor in the Word. The elders, bishops, or pastors didn't leave the church to labor in the Word. They had the Word. The Word was not controlled by the synagogue of Satan, and the Roman Catholics.
The Catholic Church didn't hand over the textus receptus in Greek. They kept it in Latin. I don't really care what they had for manuscripts, they were as corrupt as the day is long, and have only ever served to defile and corrupt the Word of God, as is evidenced by their female deity, bishops and priest called "father", and them putting themselves between man and God, when there is but one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus.
We need to separate ourselves from those who Satan uses to deceive us. Read Revelation chapters 17 and 18, and give some thought to who best fits the descriptions of the great whore. Then consider how it was the Jews who were infiltrating the churches in the first century, and bringing in "damnable heresies", such as commanding people to keep the law to be saved. Galatians and Ephesians are a good read for that.
If you are caught up in the Jews being God's people, read Galatians 3:16 through the end of the chapter, and you will know who the children of Abraham are, and who the promises to Abraham and his seed were actually to. Romans 2 tells you who is not a Jew and who is a Jew.
There is alot of deception in the world of Christianity. The mystery of iniquity doth already work. Beware of false prophets. Get saved by grace through faith alone if you are not already. Don't trust in turning from your sins to be saved. otherwise Jesus will say that He never knew you. If you are saved, you can read the scriptures and understand them, for they are spiritually discerned. 1 John 2:27 tells us that we need not a man to teach us, because the anointing which abideth in us teacheth us all things, but few will find life, and Jesus said, because the way to life is too narrow for the many. It is faith alone. As Paul said in Romans 4;5 "but to him who worketh not, but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness". You faith alone saves you, without the works of the law Repenting of yours sins is obeying the law, and will condemn you if you trust in it to save you. Ephesians 2:8,9 "for by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
God be with you. Get a King James bible if you don't have one. The others teach works salvation saying that Paul the apostle was "being saved" in 1 Corinthians 1:18. It is not true. He was saved, because He gives unto us eternal life, and we shall never die. He tells us that we "shall not come into condemnation". Whosoever heareth my words and believeth in Him who sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life (John 5:24). Pay close attention to those words. Every word of God is precious and true. John 11:26 "Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die". "liveth" doesn't mean lifestyle, it means whosoever is alive. Read the context. Being sealed unto the day of redemption means that God has you sealed, and no man can snatch you out of His hand, not even yourself. Are you stronger than God? No.
@Bert Clayton Did the written Word begin with the printing press. You do know that history is written by the victor, right?
Concerning blind trust I believe 1 John 2:27. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The scholarship of mankind does not have this anointing to teach them. The bible is a spiritual book.
What about "Professors" ? Romans 1:Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Proverbs 1:7The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
1 Cor 3:9 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own
I trust the bible, not men. That is why I don't need to know every detail about how man preserved it, because man does not preserve that which condemns him, but rather perverts that which is true to control people who believe in it.
I will answer your question about churches that split off of the Catholic Church if you can provide me with a complete history of which churches believed and practiced the following, all the way back to Christ:
1 Salvation by grace through faith alone, and without any form of works, not even repentance of sins.
2: Baptism by submersion only, and in accordance with Acts 8:37, which is missing from the Catholic bible, and all of the perverted modern versions which do not inform people that you cannot baptize a baby, because a baby cannot believe in Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God.
Those two things alone eliminates virtually all protestants. The gospel that saves was never lost, because only saved people can get other people saved. Mathew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
False prophets who bring a repent of your sins gospel only produce corrupt fruit, and only a pure gospel brings forth good fruit. Since we still have good fruit being produced, where is the history on those people?
The history on those people will include those who believed the statements above, rejected Catholicism and it's tenants, and also rejected protestantism. They were the people who were re-baptizing people after they believed the above mentioned.
The only Christian nation that ever existed was Israel, and for short periods of time in the OT. No nation since Christ has been ruled by biblical command.
Christ being interpreted is Messiah. OT saints were looking forward to Jesus, as we look back. Romans 4 tells you who the OT saints were.
Declaring yourself a Christian nation does not a Christian nation make. Catholics call themselves Christians nowadays, but they absolutely are not God's people.
@Bert Clayton I will admit that there have been famines in the land concerning the Word of God. It happened in the OT, and it seems to have happened during the dark ages. Concerning the printing press, what man intends for evil, God can use for good. The printing press got rid of the famine, and those who created the famine.
@Bert Clayton I don't know about corn on the cob. It never came up in my bible reading. I do not know what 11th century church split off of the Catholic Church in the 11th century that you are looking for. What I do know, is that the 11th century was a mess as it was recorded, and there was no faction of the Catholic Church that believed and practiced the bible as stated in the RT, which consisted of manuscripts that had been copied and passed down for many centuries.
You are going to have to define "Christian nation", because I would define it by the bible, and you obviously have your own definition.
You can look up the official date of the invention of the printing press as well as I can. It is inconsequential to me concerning the the perpetual preservation of God's Word. I don't care, therefor I don't know the exact date. That is information that passed through my head as an interesting piece of information, but is not foundational to my beliefs or my life. I take all of man's historical record with a grain of salt, because so much of it has been proven to be false that it is not worth putting a lot of weight on.
Even if you deem someone's writings from many centuries ago to be objective, you still cannot account for perspective, and all of the misinformation that they had.
No, I don't know how long it took the scribes to write out the Torah, or any other document? How long it takes a person to write something has nothing to do with the validity of their writings. I've heard people talk about it, but none who had first hand experience with it. Have you done it, or seen it done?
I believe that WW2 happened, but I don't believe all of the official story about it, and that wasn't that long ago. Why would I put a lot of weight on things that were recorded much further back in time, and when even fewer people had control of the historical documentation of those events?
That's the best I can do.
@Bert Clayton I've given the gospel to people who are in the Orthodox church, and they have no assurance of salvation. They are pretty hard works salvation people, who never know if they are in the grace of God or not.
I have no church, because I cannot find a biblical church that doesn't have a false gospel. I have traveled several hours away to attend a biblical church. Orthodoxy doesn't fit, because they don't believe in the eternal security of the believer, and they use graven images and have their idols. They are very much like the Catholic Church.
I know Catholics as well. They work for their salvation, and abstain from meats and drinks, which goes against scripture. You can't put a man between you and God unless it is the man Christ Jesus, because there is only one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. They put themselves in the place of Jesus, which is a damnable heresy, and makes them anti-Christ. You confess your faults one to another, not your sins so that the priest becomes a part of your forgiveness.
It's not just a matter of reading your bible, although all of these things could be solved by doing so, because the messages are clear, but rather, you have to be saved. Not being save, but saved.
I sense that you have little against the Calvinists. It is difficult for me to consider their teachings when they don't understand the meaning of the word "all". When someone can't understand the word "all" when it is used in the bible, they clearly cannot discern the scriptures. There is something blocking them from understanding. 1 Corinthians gives us some insight. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
What you are saying is that Joe church member cannot read and understand the bible, because all of the exhortations in the bible to study the scriptures daily, search the scriptures to see if these things are so, and all scripture being given for reproof, correction, doctrine, and instruction in righteousness is not for him.
That would be really convenient for the false teachers that creep in unawares, because your average church member couldn't discern who was false and who was not, because he can have no confidence in what he reads.
1 John 2;27 says "the same anointing". Jesus isn't here to give any special anointing to specific people. Unless you are going to deny the indwelling of the Holy Ghost in the believer, we all have the same anointing to teach us all things. When false teachers creep in, the scriptures and the anointing are what every believer has to know they are false teachers.
If you keep your church members stupid and dependent on you, you can get them to believe whatever you want to.
It was when I started reading and believing the scriptures that I realized how wicked most churches are, and how much false teaching there is.
Yes, they will have itching ears, and shall not endure sound doctrine. Who is that talking to, the people in the pew who can't be responsible for their own beliefs?
No, it is the teachers who they "heaped" up unto themselves, yet you would have me default to what they tell me the scriptures say, because I can't read and study the scriptures for myself, and am only supposed to have a bible to sort of follow along while sitting in a pew.
That is the bad kind of sheep.
If you repent of your sin to quicken your spirit, then you are performing the works of the law, which cannot save you. Jonah 3:10 tells us that turning from our wicked way is works. For God saw their works that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil that he said that he would do unto them, and he did it not. Nineveh was saved from physical destruction, and obviously were not all saved spiritually.
The law was given to be a schoolmaster, to bring us to Christ who saves. Romans 4 makes it clear that "to him that {worketh not}, but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly, his [faith} is counted for righteousness.
Isaiah 64:6 says that our righteousness' are as filthy rags. If you add your righteousness of turning from your sins to be able to enter into the kingdom of God, he will say that He "never" knew you. Mathew 7 tells us that those who were claiming many wonderful works are told that He never knew them, and then Jesus calls them workers of iniquity. The reason he called them that is because preaching a works salvation means you are working iniquity. The strait and narrow path is so narrow that you can't fit your works into it, and few therebe that find it.
Why few. There is plenty of evidence for that. The many people who attend churches are trusting in themselves just enough to condemn themselves. Eph 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved, and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Turning from your sins is of yourself.
The only commandment that you need to obey to be saved is when the bible tells people to obey the gospel, which is to believe on Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, as Paul told the jailer who asked him how to be saved.
Your righteous filthy rags can only make a clean thing dirty. You can't add your righteousness to the righteousness of Christ and still enter through the strait gate.
Speaking of words that people get wrong in the bible, "wine" is not always alcohol, unless you thing that the wine in the cluster is fermented. Jesus didn't make barrels of alcoholic wine for people who were already well drunk. Well drunk just means that they had already drank a lot of juice from the cluster.
We are "all" made kings and priests, and Jesus is our high priest. No human priest can contradict what the bible says and get away with it so far as I am concerned. Christians don't go around calling each other priests. The term they used in the bible is "brother" or "sister", and specifically not "father". No priest who prays to a woman statue is a brother of mine.
The natural man doesn't perceive the things of the Spirit...
lanzo86 define ‘natural’ and define ‘Spirit’
@@tera1755 In the context of my comment The "natural man" is the man in whom the spirit is unquickened, So a man living and governed in accordance with his nature..human nature is the dominant principal of the natural man's life.
Spirit is the intangible, immaterial consciousness of sentient life.. The mind of being... The Spirit is the ultimate expression/being of this side of existence .
because it is all in your imagination.
@@DavidmByrd Lolo.. ye.. good one very original.. nobodys ever said that before... Lolo continue to scoff
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One author had an answer something like this: No Messiah would have had public support unless he wanted to expel the Romans. The surname Iscariot is similar to "sicarii," the legal term for murderers.The Zealots, of whom Simon was one, had a policy of driving out the Romans. At one point, Jesus urged His disciples to take up their swords. A sword was used during his arrest. Then, when Titus captured Jerusalem in A.D.70, most of these passages were removed from the Gospels to make Christians appear to be law-abiding citizens. I haven't checked whether there is any evidence to support this theory. My first reaction is that the Church was still too young to show this degree of organization. But you asked for a counter-theory. (His thery on not eating pork is more sensible. Herds of pigs need to be near beech-trees all the time, and that would be a bad thing for a nomadic tribe.)
You don't have to be smart or intelligent you just have to be honest, especially to yourself.
Philippians 2:10-11
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Amen
An Open Door bullshit, Jesus Christ never existed!
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There's as much historical evidence for the man jesus, as there is for the existence of Socrates.
But i suspect that you don't doubt the existence of Socrates.
@@lordgodamenra8075 There is no God so shouts the fool..Look what he did to Pharaoh and Egypt..
Simplified:
Anything consistent with the golden rule, uncorrupted.
Anyting implying you should control another person, corruption.
Where does it say that? The Bible does not tell us to control others.
@@staceyflores899 people's interpretation of the Bible does.
People use the Bible to justify attempts to control other people all the time.
@@TheCatalyst999 True. But that is their own EVIL. People using God's name in vain by teaching false teachings will go to HELL. Holy Spirit gives discernment for true followers of Christ for scripture. There are 0 verses in the Bible that are made to control people for human governments. It is to save us from ourselves and guide us in this world that he created. Practice one thing Jesus said like forgive others, pray for your enemies is not for control But it is for the good of his children.
@@TheCatalyst999 and they do that mainly by ignoring Messiah and following the false apostle instead.
The subtle serpent, Satan, asked Eve, "Yea, hath God said?" This question was designed to cause doubt about the accuracy and authority of God's word, for his next statement to Eve was "Ye shall not surely die." Satan went from a question to an outright denial. I can have and ask questions ABOUT the Bible, but NEVER question the bible, itself. As a Christian, the Bible claims to be our guidebook from the mind of God, written through holy men. No other person or other writing or assumed authority supercedes God the Father, and Jesus Christ, as revealed in the holy scriptures. How can we regard this book as anything other than what it says of itself? "The words of the Lord are pure words, as silver tried in a furnace of the earth, purified seven times." Psalms 12:6
That sounds like circular reasoning, but the bible is the only exception. It's an "all or nothing" proposition. If the bible isn't perfect, we should throw it away. It either is perfect, or we're wasting our time, and there's no such thing as TRUTH. There is zero room for a middle ground approach. In the end, all will be judged by that same word. To treat it like any other book, patched together by fallible, sinful men, would be a grave mistake.
Is your faith in God so weak that you think he can't be questioned? If I felt like my God couldn't withstand a little bit of questioning without falling apart, He'd be no God to me, lol. What's pretty amazing, is if you believe in the same Christian God as me, He's stood the test of time. The truth in the Bible only continue to BE proven, not misproven! How would that have happened without questioning and inquiry? Please bring the critics, the skeptics, the unbelievers, and those who believe in other gods. My God will win everytime.
How many times have the people in the Bible questioned God? Old and New Testaments. Please queation, please dig. It will only strengthen your faith and commitment.
@@0winskowski0 Thou speakest with fork-ed tongue. My statement was that I have questions regarding what I don't yet understand. We are told to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. We're told to dig for buried gold, silver, and precious gems of truth, yea, the deep things of God. Doubt is not permitted, when dealing with God's word, because there is nothing new under the sun. If, as you say, God will always win, how does textual criticism, doubt,, and unbelief fit in? If, as a Christian, I think for one second, I'm reading the compounded additions and errors of fallible men, how is my faith strengthened? It's not, if I regard the bible as less than perfect, and I am bound to the Authorized Version, aka, the King James Version. It has no copyright, no footnotes (unless you want such help), and is the complete one-off English translation of the Greek and Hebrew text. Your approach, as I understand it, is misguided and weak. Any reply?
Let's keep it real and scientific here,
Bible is not corrupted, because God says so, end of debate
U KNOW WHAT WHEN U KNOW THE AUTHOR U KNOW HIS WORD .He told us MY SHEEP hear my voice ..Amen
AMEN , THE POWER OF THE CREATOR IS THE SAME ARTHUR OF HIS. WORD
Dont you get it? Thats just it. It isnt his voice your heard. One thing is correct though. SHEEP,,, 100%, let there be no doubt, if you think its the lords words written in those books, sheep, you be.
+PMC --WHAT does that have to do with the truth in the ENTIRE New Testament? You can quote half a verse. Do you know what it means? Where is the contest? Yes I am being hard on you. Jesus is coming, and people are not reading His word or seeking knowledge about it. Begin by watching the video, if you are interested. Better yet, read and study God's word. ONE HALF verse does not God's word make. (You has 3 letters.. please use them. This isn't a cell phone, it's a comment section).
+PMC --WHAT does that have to do with the truth in the ENTIRE New Testament? You can quote half a verse. Do you know what it means? Where is the contest? Yes I am being hard on you. Jesus is coming, and people are not reading His word or seeking knowledge about it. Begin by watching the video, if you are interested. Better yet, read and study God's word. ONE HALF verse does not God's word make. (You has 3 letters.. please use them. This isn't a cell phone, it's a comment section).
Youre not being hard on me. Youre being hard on yourself. Guarantee you, i know more about the contents of those books, and many others, than you do. The difference between you and i, is that when you read them, you want to believe its truth youre reading. When i read them i knew it wasnt. You have been lied to for a very long time. What you should do is find the real truth of god. Its out there. Not in your good book, but its out there. Have a good day, and good luck to you and yours.
This guy drank a white Russian and smoked a pinner before this talk, then he went bowling.
His conclusion really tied the thesis together.
That’s not a “podium” it’s a “lectern”. A podium is a raised area. A lectern can be placed upon a podium. Indeed, a lectern can even be built on or contain its own podium. But it is still a lectern.
Thank you. Always wondered the difference.
Long ago (I'm in my eighth decade) I came to the conclusion that the "...word of God..." in the context of language was more commonly indicative of meaning and intent, rather than simply units of language. Since then, I am more and more convinced. The initial speaker more than confirms my conclusion. Obviously, this heartens me greatly, Not that I'm all that smart, but that God has indeed been in my life and has spoken to me - in the same way all others who follow have. Dear God. Thanks again.
By the way, putting more 'thee and thou' in your prayers does not make them more effective.
OKAY, ATTENTION: Those of you just watching the first five minutes... The speaker is a Christian and he actually defends the texts of the Bible. The title is what it is to lure in non-believers. Again, this man is a Christian and he will provide, if you'll watch, a preponderance of evidence for the TRUTH of the BIBLE! The Veritas Forum is a Christian organization!
@Golgotha's 144,000 From a Christian: Nope. All that paragraph is, is POOR Biblical scholarship and EQUALLY POOR critical thinking. Stop embarrassing Christians. When you DISCREDIT the ACTUAL realities of Christ, of Prophecy, and of Divine Intervention by peddling falsities, you push people away from the saving truth of Christ. By doing this, you contribute DIRECTLY to souls being damned.
"It is not good to be zealous and miss the way." -Solomon.
Reassess EVERYTHING about your relation to truth, and Christ. Now.
I mean, for starters, all the numerical meanings you draw from verse numbers is completely arbitrary because THERE WERE NO VERSES when the Bible was written. We ADDED verse numbers in later. So any verse number that means anything is arbitrary because verse numbers did not come from God when he inspired the texts of the Bible.
Yes jesus would call, jesus would say, jesus would do, jesus would mean, but jesus never reveal himself and say anything, people always respond for him, according to the gospels jesus never mention that he is God of son of God people make up this story throughout the time, He never let anything in writing none of the original apostles Wright anything. all the christians claim the gospels to be historical but those are made long after jesus die and those are copies of copies of copies of copies nothing solid to trust as historic facts. none of the ancient kindoms wright anything about jesus, and with all the miracles and resurrections and been son of god thats something big and great at that timem, and should be written on all the ancient kindoms but is nothing about jesus events not even on the roman history or on the greek history or on the jews history nothing is no historical documents or writhings about jesus, only on the new testament made by emperos orders. On the religions, all the prophecys was written after the events, the bible was made by the Roman emperors, try to investigate the truth behind the Christian religion it's a conspiracy by political interests. Watch on you tube the cesar's messiah, is a documentary of many people, professional investigation. And read other people with the knowledge of the ancient christianity, like antonio pinero, or mauro biglino who translate the old testament text to the real meaning, not how the romans made the translations back on year 325 on the nicea's council where they create the bible. Find out how the bible was made. Is not God revelation. Men create god not vice versa. I'm only a normal person who have doubt about religion and God, and I wants to investigate what is behind the religion romans impose to spain when they where a colony conquered by romans and spain impose to my ancestors when they conquered america and we inherit from our parents. And the people who still believe in the bible and religion is because they live out of it or because they still ignorants, on the 21 century bible makes no sense and has no historical base. Thanks and I'm know I can not wake up people who pretend to be sleeping. none of the bible leyends miths or allegories makes sense any more,. we can not live on the 21 century on a book from 2000 years ago. may be at that time was credible but not 2000 years after.
investigue que hay detras del cristianismo la gente ignora la verdad vean este link y saquen la verdad y veran que la verdad es muy diferente. informacion.www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso01.htm. Yo no soy ningun iluminado simplemente uso el sentido comun y como yo no vivo de la religion me comenze a cuestionar que hay detras de la religion que le impusieron a mis antepasados los espanoles igual que a ellos se la impusieron los romanos y que cuando naci herede a traves de mis padres y hay cosas sin sentido por principio de cuenta la biblia que se formo del concilio de nicea en 325 fue organizada y formada por mandato de constantino el emperador romano. el viejo testamento pertenecio siempre al pueblo judio hasta que lo plagiaron los romanos y lo mal tradujeron y manipularon al griego y junto con el nuevo testamento que pablo de tarzo y marcos, lucas, mateo y juan formaron con muchas cosas milagros resurrecciones que le atribuyeron a jesus despues de muerto, porque jesus si existio para los historiadores fue un ser humano normal un profeta judio que creia en las leyes judias y que promulgaba la venida del mesias para salvar a israel de opresores romanos mi siquiera en los evangelios jesus dice directamente que es hijo de dios ni el mesias y menos el mismo dios eso se le atribuyo a traves de los evangelios y manipulaciones de la biblia jesus nunca quiso formar una religion y menos supo que se formo una sobre su persona. tienes 35 Anos estudiando los canones pero la verdad no esta en los canones busca la verdad donde la vas a encontrar, en estudiar la verdadera traduccion del viejo testamento, que erealmente lo que hay escrito sin inventar traduccion de palabras como lo hicieron cuando los tradujeron los romanos solo porque no conocian que queria decir las palabras les daban el significado que ellos querian pablo de tarzo un judio romano, porque poseia las dos ciudadanias, moldeo y manipulo las ensenanzas de jesus como el quiso para formar el cristianismo pero como los judios no creian en el jesus que el pregonaba y no le tomaban en cuenta entonces empezo a predicar a los paganos y gentiles. Las leyendas y mitos y alegoria de la biblia al dia de hoy no tienen base mi sentido. una por una las historias de la biblia con sentido comun y un poco de inteligencia se puede ver que no pueden ser ciertas que en aquellos tiempo fueran creibles por la falta de pruebas y lo rudimentario de el conocimiento de la gente de los tiempos antiguos pero hoy en dia no podemos vivir y regirnos por unos libros que aparte de mal traducidos no sirven a la sociedad moderna el mundo y el universo no se formo hace 6 mil anos segun la biblia solo la tierra se formo hace sillones de anos. la Torre de babel vil mentira ni al dia de hoy podemos construir un edificio con tantos pisos aunque fuera solo para salir de la atmosfera, el arca de noe de 155 metros de largo por 26 de ancho y 16 de alto no pudieron haber metio mas de 6800 especies de animales y haberlos traido de los diferentes continentes nada mas no tiene sentido y asi te puedes ir leyenda por leyenda. Ademas si jesus hubiera resucitado y hubiera resucitado a otros y hecho todos los milagros que se le atribuyen estuviera en todas las historias de los pueblos de todo el mundo, una cosa asi es mas importante que la mayoria de las historias que si estan registradas, y no esta, no hay nada escrito fuera de los evangelios que fueron escrito mucho despues que jesus murio no tienen valides historica por mas que luchen los teologos por ponerlos como historicos y para terminar si dios existiera y fuera poderoso y omnipotente no necesitaria de segundas y terceras personas para decirle al mundo que existe. Y igual si hubieras nacido en india, china, siria o Australia tendrils diferente religion y dios y la defender of como la unica y verdadera asi lo hacen todos para la diferente gente la de ellos es la verdadera religion y el verdadero dios.no tiene sentido ys la religion
@@jesusgonzalez-er1nk Bueno, primo, la mayoria de los quien si son "iluminados" --los recipientes del Premio Nobel cuales son scientificos, no son ateos. No son agnosticos. Son Christianos. Si, correcto. 65.7% de los scientificos quales han recibido el Premio Nobel son Christianos, y la mayoria de los demas son teistas --unos poquitos son ateos/agnosticos. Entonces, que saben los illumindaos que usted no sabe? Si es una manera de ver el mundo suficiente serio para los "iluminados" verdaderos, porque usted se cree o mas inteligente que ellos o mas maduro? La Christianidad es una cosa muy, muy seria, aunque hay mucha gente que comparte en manera mala. Lo siento, pero no me podras convencer. Ademas, espanol no es un lenguage en cual soy muy fluente, haci que te dejo con esto: Hay gente muy "ilumiminados" en el campo de los teistas y de los ateistes, y esa verdad significa que lo que decidimos creer tiene MAS que ver con lo que queremos y menos de ver con la realidad o la verdad. En otras palabras; Sabemos que gente mucho mas inteligente que tu y yo son miembros del groupo opuesto a mi y a usted, entonces no puede ser verdad que llegamos a creer o no creer en Dios por algo de ver con la inteligencia o argumentos filosoficos. Decidimos lo que queremos, y luego buscamos lo que no afirma. Esa es la verdad de los humanos. Yo no creo en Dios por alguna prueba, aunque yo pienso que los argumentos estan MUCHO mas en el lado de teismo. Yo creo en Dios porque tengo una relacion con el personal. Lo siento, pero es lo mejor que puedo explicarlo. Bendiciones a usted.
@@user-dq5rx7bv3x But that has no argumentative value. Making a face is as philosophically defensible as saying, "I itch."
Finally gets started at 6:42
Thank you for your service.
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Who told you Catholics do not read the Bible????
The originals are in Rome archives.
Jews and Catholics are the keepers of the WORD!!!!
Got changed after Luther!!!!
Anything about the Bible should not have the word "veritas" attached to it. Gosh, I miss Christopher Hitchens.
Right, upside down world with these chauvinist clowns.
God does have the power to keep his word true down through the ages. And there is a true translation in this present day. And if you've never experienced the holy Ghost as they did in the second chapter of the book of Acts you will never know the truth.
Matthew 24:35 KJVS
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
2 Peter 3:16 KJVS
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable WREST, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Do the Koran vs the Bible.........
It’s a litmus test to me .. an eye opening...
2000 years and still waiting. It's clearly all bullshit.
@cafe nazionale None of them!
Faith is Evaporated in America. Of course people play it for prophet.
Heaven passing away is a Controdiction. why say heaven never will fail or you will sit nexk to me when it now will pass away make no sense at all. i pray for years to the spirit of the new covenant and old. but we sit like dead duck waiting in suffering at old age to rot burn and die. all is cruel and God gives us one thing to believe. what is it is what we experience in life with Most billions of christianswho are a waste of time. Athiest are more a waste of believing we are from particals of some sort.
My wife grew up in Transylvania, Romania. I have been there more than once. It is a lovely place filled with friendly folks, beautiful forest and of course it is in the foothills of the Romanian alps! The Rocky mountains have NOTHING on the Romanian alps! If you think of dead trees and spooky places, think again! Think instead of the largest, most pristine tract of untouched forest in Europe! Most have never seen a place so beautiful as Transylvania! NO VAMPIRES!!
Well a vampire would say that hmmm happy new year.
@@stephenuhe9229 lol
@@stephenuhe9229 Bwahahahah! You know the deal!
The spirit of Vlad the Impaler compels you! 😳👻
The introduction of Michael Berhow was hilarious without trying to be lol.
Joel is not the best person to speak on the subject of the debate given his lack of scholastic training and not being quick in his thinking. Joel clearly thinks he knows the Bible on this subject, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for doing the hard work necessary to articulate accurately.
He called sabbath Sunday... I strongly disagree the Vatican changed it to Sunday this closed my ears to this “veratas “
You are right the sabbath is Friday night to Saturday night
Yes because some people worshipp Saturn on Saturday and others worshipp the sun on Sunday which is is self explanatory sun day or day of the sun very simple nothing misterious
Please don't confuse the ignorance of many today about the Jewish sabbath and the Christian sabbath. The vast majority of early Christians were not confused about this. They knew that the Jewish sabbath was on Saturday as they, the jews tracked the day. But as Christians were not under the rules or traditions of the Jewish nation,(explained in the book of Acts) they saw in the resurrection their sabbath, and since that occurred on Sunday, that's the day they worshipped. Not because they thought it was the Jewish sabbath.
Acts clearly states numerous times that the apostles came together on Sunday to break bread and worship God. So all you JWs and 7th DAs can take a flying leap with your saying the rest of us are worshipping satan. You people should be ashamed of yourselves
krakoosh1 I’m neither JW NOR SDA.. I am of the Natsarim and the 10 Commandments clearly state 4th Commandment says REMEMBER THE SABBATH AND KEEP IT KODESH...
we have the Holy spirit which pours out Gods love into our hearts, if you want to know if Jesus is real simply open up your heart to him and ask him yourself.
New///// So it is all based on feelings?
except our faith is backed by evidence and supported by reason (it is not blind). IF you base your faith entirely on private feelings or imagination, you can easily go wrong. there are all sorts of cults out there that give you the warm fuzzies, and all sorts of people who think they are getting revelation directly from God to confirm their personal opinions. be VERY CAREFUL with that advice. If you want to be a Christian, follow the ancient Tradition (that includes the Scriptures). having warm fuzzy feelings about Jesus in pray is nice but it can't be the entire basis of it.
@xsc 3 I know but with all the information in the world no one can truly come to Christ, only through revelation of the Holy Spirit can one truly be born again.
@@chosenone_fitness a person can have the right information and NOT accept it, that is true. a person could believe in Christ without any real evidence as well. I caution against giving people the idea that a simple emotional experience should be the entire basis of their life as a Christian. if you have the mind of a small child and that's the best you can do, fine, but I think we're all adults here. after all, they could just as easily have an emotional experience grounded in something else... in the Mormon faith, or Islam, or New Age, or pagan gods, etc. blind faith is very, very dangerous, as you can see. plus, just as a marriage that is based solely on infatuation (or lust) is in serious trouble (when those feelings fail), so too would be a "faith" that is based entirely (or mostly) on emotions or imagination. Our faith should be based first and foremost on Truth. We know Christ was not some myth or nice story, and Jesus is not some imaginary friend or motivational speaker. He was a real historical man who really lived, really taught and really died for us. He really had apostles who really left behind teachings (and not just a book to blindly follow either, but a visible Church). I may not be telling you anything you don't know, but I'm wanting to not leave others with the impression that we're just out there saying "believe" only and don't ask questions, don't have knowledge, don't research or study or figure out what's right. Because there are tons of different denominations all saying contradictory things about Christ, which fundy atheists love to point to as an excuse for not listening to us. see? peace.
@xsc 3 Amen i agree🙏🏼 great is your revelation, praise God.
It's like arguing which version of Lord of the Rings is legit. Lol.
Did you really seek out a scholarly video on the Bible just to make an 8th grade diss on religion? Go outside my friend.
From the "comments" it's pretty easy to see who actually watched the entire video and who didn't. Off the cuff seems to be the norm in respones at all times... funny how Truth causes a stir in the masses.
Guy starts the presentation displaying opposing views that he can later rebut and all these UA-cam yahoos lose their minds...
Ridiculous.
@@SheikhMawini and I think many just see the title and comment thinking they got something figured out...ignorant.
Brilliant!
All funny to me lol
This video is not of the truth; quoting, referencing men like Metzler, Ehrman, and Brown etc only confirms this fact.
You are not to call any man "holy father"
Why?
The greek word patér means a father. Commonly used to reference heavenly father: Not the same as baba, dad, daddy or father/parent of...
Matthew 23:9 paraphrased. Do not call anyone father(patér). Greek needs context. In layman's terms, many ancient greek words have multiple uses, context gives meaning. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "do not call anyone holy Father". Buy a Strong's Greek lexicon or concordance and do some homework. If you are going to devote your life to a fairytale and cult you really should know what you are talking about.
@@jsmartin once again, scripture tells us not yo call anyone holy father, it's a catholic thing, and mary is dead, therefore we are to pray to God not a dead person
@@jsmartin ur a waste of breath
@@endtimesaints7885 wow! How very christ-like of you. I guess I won't need to say you just proved my point. Last I checked the Catholic Bible and the Christian Bible are exactly the same. They come from the same Greek source. History. You should try some of that. You are so dumb you don't even know the history of your own church. You actually believe that the Catholic Bible is different than the Christian Bible? Yes there are various translations, but they are all one and the same. I can read and write ancient Greek. My dad was a Nazarene pastor and taught it in universities and seminaries. I started learning it at age 12. The only one that is useless sweetheart is you. You are willfully ignorant and that is shameful. You are a great example of Catholicism/ Christianity, not even willing to look something up because it questions your narrative. That's called cognitive dissonance. You can look that up too. Did you know that more than half the country has an IQ slightly above developmentally disabled and 14 percent of American adults can't read or write? We've established that you can read and write. It's the critical thinking part you need help with.
No it's not true. Before i was born in 1952 my parent were told that the Bible ,scripture was altered. How is then i received Christ Jesus
by reading Romans 10:9.
If i declare with my mouth Jesus Christ is Lord and i
believe in my heart the God has raised him from the dead. That simple, that easy , confess and believe. Truely ,and you will know.
Well studied in the bible, not so much a student of comedy. But respect for his effort and adding jokes to break up the massive information dumps.
Jesus(Yahshua), and the disciples only quoted and relied upon the Old Testament. Therefore, compare the New Testament with the Old Testament for doctrine.
Bill Lincoln you cannot understand the New Testament without the Old Testament. I agree with you 100%
@@Margaret709 . And BOTH are corrupted !
David Mahfuz, no it is not!! But I'm curious what you suspect is corrupted
If Jesus indeed was a fictional character how is it that Josephus refers to him as too many other non-Christian people in history! Are you saying all these people are delusional not so.
@@davidmahfuz5721 Imagine actually thinking that Christ is fictional
How many of the 40 authors in the Bible lived in the same period of time and where in the same location?
Val Smith, you could have easily googled that question. The answer is more interesting than you thought it would be….
Answer: none
I may be wrong but I think they came along at least a century or 2 later
50-70 years after death for the gospels. Look into it for yourself. Don't just hate like a bitter woman.
@@jay_tripp I saw someone asking a question, you saw hate. You must self identify as a Christian
*Belief in the bible =* _"Faith in the words & writings of men."_
the whole thing from the start could have been misrepresented and untrue regardless if the translations were accurate or not.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but EVERY WORD
David Burrow Japanese people live the longest and aren’t believers
@Maester Auron You will end up in hell and eventually the Lake of fire...sad. Repent and believe the Gospel.
@Maester Auron It's obvious that we are not brothers because ye are of your father the devil. You have obviously been tainted by a godless critic of the words of God that has made you a godless critic of the words of God.
Let me help, you need help!
"for my own sake, brother, which gospel? Luke's? Matthew's? John's?"
The Gospel is the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ. You are confusing the books that catalogue the Gospel with the Gospel. The Gospels (first 4 books of the NT) compliment each other they do not conflict. A lost sinner like you would not know that. They each tell a different aspect of Christ's ministry and life.
"Which publication? From which year? In what language?"
Not sure what you mean with those questions. The word of God for English speaking people is the King James Bible. The modern versions (translated since 1881) are all corrupt because they come form corrupted manuscripts. (Vaticanus, Sinaiticus & Septuagint) The King James Bible comes from the Masoretic Text and the Received Text
@Maester Auron Sadly you are a reprobate it appears... You should repent. You are a vile wicked sinner. You have no hope outside of the hope that is found in Christ... But, it may be to late for you... (Romans 1:18-32)
"Read the Gospel you say. "
You should, but what I said was repent and believe the Gospel. Get enrolled in an English class...
" I really don't like calling people 'idiots' but.. seriously, you're an idiot who just can't be honest... you don't want the truth. It makes much more sense to you that God committed suicide for a mistake he made."
1. All you have is your childish insults when you get bested by your betters.
2. You have not shown me where I have been dishonest. I have only told you the truth. I lie not.
3. I never said that God committed suicide. God has never made a mistake.
You really should go get reprogrammed! Your cult has indoctrinated you to the point of idiocy.
"God sacrificed himself.. TO Himself.. to save us from HIS OWN Wrath?"
Not what happened. Read John 3:16 It's called justification. Jesus is our propitiation. Big words for a little minded reprobate... I know. But if you ask your mommy for a dictionary, she might teach you how to use one.
"lol That makes sense to you?"
Not at all... That is not what happened. Of course you don't get it, you are a lost hell bound sinner. You should repent.
James Dare ,good reasearch.
The wisdom of man is foolishness to GOD🙏❤️✝️
The words of some who wants to be slave repeating old mantras that today not even 5 year olds believe
You got the truth dear.
So you admit to being a fool! LOL! At one time, religious fools, which meant everyone back then believed that the earth was the center of the universe, that the earth was flat and so many other things which could not be explained. Of, course, a sacrifice to affect the weather etc. Science, of course, has diminished all gods. God is now a small narrow creature that fewer and fewer believe in. Thank science for that!
@@j.whisper2379 Questionable.... very questionable.
kes, what does that mean?
Yes, there are over a thousand errors in the scriptures, but it doesn't make it unreliable. You actually find the correct wording in the TaNaK and from scholars who have access to older manuscripts. We live in a time where we learn truth better than our ancestors. The spirit of YHVH teaches us, but only if we obey his teachings...
how can you sure you they can be reliable? I mean is the bible more reliable than the U.S constitution what about the writings of Shakespeare you mean reliable vs what?
Not sure I understand or agree with your comment: "We live in a time where we learn truth better than our ancestors." Or how we would go about proving or disproving that we learn better. I'm more of the opinion that humankind has NOT changed. Seems every aspect of human nature is portrayed in the Bible and it is still that way today. Could you explain your 'reasoning' a little more please.
I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement which covers all other erroneous influences and is personally customized to our very being!!! AMEN! What a True Living God we have!!!
“It is corrupted, but that doesn’t make it unreliable” absolute mental
@@AnonMujahid I agree, like I already stated, it is not unreliable. :)
@@a.39886 One has nothing to do with the other. We are only talking scripture, the word of God. We would never be left in the dark like that. Its already been stated in the B'rith that the scribes intentionally made errors and that was during the time of the messiah. IMHO, the TaNaK hasn't been corrupted like the B'rith. 85% of whats written in the B'rith comes directly from the TaNaK.
Its interesting that when preachers get to a challenging verse they just ignore it or give us there own interpretation. That should bother people.
Both he and Bart were saying the wrong things, so what do you have against a pastor again?
Bothers me much. I had a pastor that teaches verse-by-verse. This way, he said, you can't avoid the difficult passages. Example: Psalm 139
try Bill Donahue. he's a f-ing genius
@@justjeph6927
Check out Dr. Gene Kim.
He's in California. When I first heard him, I realized that he sounded like people that I deal with daily, then I realized that he's about 2 hours away from me in California.
He is very much the Academician; every point he raises is centered around a Biblical verse.
It does bother me very much and I wish I could press charges against the church for the fraud that it is.
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my Words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35
Which proves eberything, of course .. !!!
But they did 😂 😂
If the words have not been preserved, what weight does this quote hold?!
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@@BassGoBomb read history, that way you don’t publicly make a fool of yourself
It's the Spirit who gives true understanding so the words are not as important as we all think.
Sounds like your stuck like the rest.
AT least this is still coming in the original version..." religion was born...
when the FIRST con-man met the FIRST IDIOT"( You WELCOME....over 2 hours of Your time saved!
The Bible is not an intellectual book...nor is it a psychological or philosophy book. The Bible is the Creators manual for the SALVATION of the human race.
Goes right over most people's heads.
in the sense that the Bible is about God. its his REVEALED will
Reads like mythology to me.
@@Waynyce You must be way more clever than everyone else here.
It is His spiritual words that never pass away. Where in the Bible does it say scriptures never pass away? Can't believe people get overworked over writing errors.
Whatt? Writing errors? This is something really serieus if there are misktakes In a book of god it really matters 100%, because we believe that the bible was inspired by god and god makes NEVER a mistake. So those errors are made by humans not god so therefore yes the bible is corrupted by humans not by god. Because i believe god is perfect and he never makes a mistake never.
That is Torah
Man has clearly made a lot of effort. What a shame it all undoes itself. "Essential Christian beliefs are not affected..." Right, go on then, what are the essential Christian beliefs that are not affected? Can you get all christians to agree on them? We'll wait... We don't know why every sixth or seventh word in one of the most prominent Greek manuscripts is the indefinite article, but we'll just assume it doesn't matter. As someone who didn't actually live at the time of the ancient Greeks, let me assure the audience that no matter what order the Greek words for "John" "love" and "Mary" are issued in, the meaning would always have been exactly the same, because love was not reciprocal in ancient Greece and could only ever be unidirectional... The list of assumptions is extensive. Scholars often demonstrate the most willfully ignorant selective thinking. Not much point insisting that scripture is the authority, when referencing so many scholars. "They are trying to inculcate faith in Jesus Christ" - There's at least one statement of unequivocal honesty.
God is NOT the author of confusion. Men love their vain words and seek to place themselves in high regard to others. Deception everywhere. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord 🙏
You ask me how I know Jesus lives. He lives within my heart
Rejoice, Rejoice oh Christian. Lift up your voice and sing!
Eternal hallelujahs to Jesus Christ the King!
@@davidjackson6152 . Just stop being ridiculous !
@@v1e1r1g1e1 you are incorrect. You are right that Christ is with the Father, however, He sent forth the Holy Spirit, PROMISED TO COME ALONG BESIDE US AND DWELL WITHIN US. It is He, EQUALLY GOD, that is inside. The truly saved know Him intimately.
+doris
Where is jesus god in ur heart who ur god jesus worshipped and claimed to be greater, good and as *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?
@@ahmadamiruddinmohd3102 .
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, AND HIS NAME IS CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS !
I wonder if he'd sanction the same standards to any of the talmudic books?
Excellent question.
All Hail the Evil Bunny Rabbit. ♥
If the last page of the bible had the words "This fairy tale was written by Paul Christ", he would argue that non believers are taking it out of context.
@@josefj.cfourie198
It's funny how it turns-out that on the bell curve for those maintaining the psychosis of atheism, that many of them simply had bad daddy issues as children.
@@LtBRS The word "Psychosis" is a really good word to describe theists, thanks.
@@josefj.cfourie198
All atheists's function on the metaphysical madness of something coming from nothing. In order to maintain atheism, one has to abandon both reason and integrity.
If he agrees words and texts in NT changed, the real meaning of the text will also be lost in translation.
So how can you believe in something not accurate?
He never said it was inaccurate.
Only that there were different ways of sharing information. The changing of English has occurred since its inception. That doesn't mean English is corrupted, only that the ways of stating things has changed.
Look in the dictionary. You will see old English spellings that are quite different.
British use the word, "lift" for what Americans call "elevator". Does that make either of them wrong? NO.
In order to determine which bible is authentic, you have believe with "absolute certainty" that the original was not a fiction.
ua-cam.com/video/iHFgcRGIrH0/v-deo.html the reason i converted to the truth
In order to to know with absolute certainty the the original is not fiction one need to know the truth, not just believe that fiction is truth
@@abbasyasin6201 The video is interesting. The ex preacher is charismatic. He is very good at reading body language and knowing when to persuade people. It was a given that the man was searching for answers. Otherwise he would not be in a congregation that he wasn't familiar with. The ex preacher offered him acceptance which is what he was searching for. His emotional outburst was understandable You might have realized from my conversation so far, that I'm not committed to a religion. What I took away from the video is that like many religions, Islam instructs its followers to practice peaceful relationships. Unfortunately, Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike have been very violent at times in the past, and In the present. Like the preacher, Catholicism was an influence in my early childhood. I never accepted it because the arguments for it were illogical.
Jesus showed us the formula. Put it to the test. Believe in science. Test the formula.
@@samuelreed2994 I used to believe science without questioning it. Unfortunately, over the last thirty years, much of science has become political propaganda.
Jeremiah 6:10 - To whom can I give warning?
Who will listen when I speak? Their ears are closed, and they cannot hear. They scorn the word of the Lord. They don’t want to listen at all.
2 Peter 1:20-21 - knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Amen!
The irony of that quote
When you have a personal relationship with God no one can change that. Regardless of biblical errors God is the creator.... Open your heart and invite Father God in because he wants a personal relationship with you as well.
@WinGate Mose Amen. I fully agree. Non believers do everything they can to disprove. I pray many will turn to God.
@@gethsemane-777 I’ve already turned to God without believing Jesus is the son of God or believing that there is a trinity consisting of 3 gods or believing in a book which has been corrupted and tampered with throughout time.
Wow after thousand of years, they still discussed about the bible. Poor christians, having bible as the guidance but dont know whether its right or wrong.
it keeps it fresh.
I will ignore the obvious trolling for the moment. The fact that Christians continue to read and re-read, scrutinize and debate the content and context of the deposit of faith is a very positive and encouraging sign of its life. Sadly, this level of self-reflection is deficient in most non-Christian faiths and it is egregiously absent in those who profess no faith. Good day.
ti a christian, jew, muhammadan, or anyone else who knows how to nrely on the Bible, it is always amazing how much ignorance meets self assurance in people who keep criticizing that book without having a clue - worse even, not the slightest interest in trying to understand the subject they are criticizing.
It is unequivocally right.
@@MG-cj8ql Christianity: When plain stupidity is considered otherworldly intellegience and plain confusion is considered self reflection.
Start at the 7 minute mark if you want to skip the intros.