@ifishcatfish I've asked myself the same question after some time and sent an email to the store to actually replace the reel with a HG instead. I'm used to big gear ratio reels because I'm mostly fishing in rapid mountain streams. But this one is going to be used in slow water too. So I don't really need the XG. Also, I'm not sure why XG is cheaper than the HG one. 1000JPY less on digitaka.
@@andreiiancu5144 because they feel shitty. You want to spin the rotor 6 times with spinning the handle one time. Thats a lot of work. It will feel very heavy. My reels have 4.8 gear ratio. Feel very light , no resistance. Also wear slower because of less stress.
Привет, Виктор! Великолепно, талантливый, скрупулезный анализ, как и всегда! Большое спасибо! Hello Victor! Superb, talented, meticulous analysis, as always! Thank you very much! Здравей Виктор! Страхотен, талантлив, педантичен анализ, както винаги! Благодаря ти много!
Hi i_fish, I truly enjoy your videos, particularly because of your fascination into UL gear. I have a gamakatsu Luxxe Yoihime Hana 2 Rod, I think you would enjoy their 47gms liteness !!
Got myself the 1000 and love it. Now I'm just waiting on my "fancy black Japanese rod" to arrive ie; Yamaga Blanks 71tz/nano. Should be a perfect match. Thanks for the video 👍
I've got Vanquish 19 2500 SHG which I mostly use on my all black Graphiteleader Finezza 19 for catching perch and after I saw your review I will definitely buy the new 1000 SSSPG to pair it with this rod.
Micro module was mainly on the smaller gears that drive the oscillation units. I think the main gear and pinion have remained close to the same size through pre-micro module gears and after. The Stradic FL has micro module gears as a feature, but the main gear and pinion are about the same size as the previous Ci4+FB (or Stradic FK). Again I think the micro module feature for spinning reels mainly applies to the worm oscillation gears (which are normally plastic in cheaper models).
No, it was never about the small plastic gears. Shimano never talks about those gears. Also u can find people who opened the reels and see the size teeth on old and new model
No, it was never about the small plastic gears. Shimano never talks about those gears. Also u can find people who opened the reels and see the size teeth on old and new model
Thx for another great review🙏 Just got my 2500 size and I like it. This is my first Shimano in recent years Question: Have you checked if any bushing can be replaced by bearings for improved performance? Thx in advance🙏
Victor: SHIMANO Sahara 2022 - I am learning so much from you on so may different things about fishing I NEVER knew (Reels, Poles, Fishing line, presentation of lures etc. You have given me a WHOLE new outlook on fishing and I now have the fever. I am trying to have a balance of low to medium pieces of gear. I took your advice on the Shimano Sahara and Daiwa Ligulas. Today I did received my Shimano Sahara C2000s from overseas after (4) days through Digitaka. I was so worried about buying from them, since I never have gone that route. I am extremely glad to report it arrived in perfect condition in the original Shimano box. I checked it backwards and forwards to ensure I wasn't getting some knock off, but the real product. I did and it cost me $63.74 U.S. dollars. I had to learn through buying my reels that my size reel is not a 1000, nor 2000 size reel, but 2500. I'm sure you have pointed that out somewhere, but I missed it. Thank you for your fishing advice to all of us who follow you. I will continue to follow your lead as I go through my progression as a new re-found fisherman. My wife who is from Prishtina Kosovo also follows you and listens to your advice. She now fishes with me and has her own rod & reel (She got the Daiwa Ligulas). Thanks! Semper Fi Victor P.
@@ifishcatfish Vic, I am very fortunate with my career that I could get something nice for me. I currently have what I need. However, I do want that one special ultralight fishing set up that I take out every now and then. I really liked the Shimano 6 ft Soare XR you reviewed. It looks just amazing and I'm absolutely sure it fishes great. Now the million-dollar question what reel to put on it? I am like you in the sense I want a great reel that color matches the fishing rod. I will go with what you suggest... Semper Fi Vic.
@@ifishcatfish Rodger that sir.... I will start looking for one. First issue is finding the rod and then the reel. I have what I need now to fish.... This set-up will be my special set-up where everything matches perfectly, just like my 1911 custom made pistol and holster. I'm sure you understand. Vic, you are the "MAN"! Semper Fi Vic P.
I had to return the second 23 Vanquish 2000S that i purchased from digitaka. The handle had two much play in it and was clacking everytime I turned it. It wasn't noticeable at the house but on the water it was a big nuisance. The first reel was fine though. Now I'm debating to get another 2000 or a 1000 size. Or not to get another Vanquish at all.
I wonder if it would make a difference, or if it’s even possible to put micro module gears in the 2023 model. That way, you would get the slow start up inertia, and low resistance with all the new technologies included already.
No, not possible. Entire gear geometry is totslly different. There is extra plastic gear. Timing of gears is obviously different. But if u find the old vanquish on sale for some reason….
Hi Victor, always enjoy your reviews. can i ask if you ever tried the Shimano Stradic 2500 FJ? if so what is your opion vs the legalis? im currently running with a Tierra 2500
Thanks for an other solid review, I used my V 1000 for 2 days the grinding gears made it unusable. Maybe the famous Japanese quality control is lacking or the send the bad ones overseas 😅.
maybe #2. I pulled a hundred bass, two catfish and one buffalo with mine, and counting. People love buying from japan, but if the same exact reel is sold in USA, it is worth buying locally so u can return.
if anything, this reel is more durable than the last. If you see an image of the teeth, they are twice as big, which increased the weight of the gears. They had to compensate for that by reducing the weight of the spool and handle and some other places. But gears, while they may not feel as nice as the old model, are LEGITIMATELY more durable
Would be really good if the next vanquish came stock with a cork or bamboo knob. I really like the Cardiff however the vanquish is a much better reel to fish with..
As usual well done Victor. I did not expect a lot of improvement in terms of start up Inertia, resistance, and smoothness. Only because the 19 was already really good and improvements become exceedingly more difficult to come by. Considering they were able to improve durability due to infinity cross and still maintain the feel of the 19, I would call that a win. There is one silly thing that I would like to see you include in your reviews. Spool capacities. I fish a lot of super clear water. So in my case I use straight flourocarbon. The lines that I prefer come in 80 and 100 meter spools. I do not like running leaders or backing. So thats actually one of the first things I look at when determining if the reel will work for me! Maybe I have put myself in a box, but that is just me. Im sure I'm not on an island!
Hi Victor, I have an 1000 size vanquish but I'm looking to either purchase a c2000s or a c2500s. I know you had an older model c2500s. What exactly is it different between the c2000s vs c2500s? Just the spool size and different handle knob? Thank you. Reasons why I'm looking at the bigger one is I have a Light action bass rod that I use for shore fishing and the 1000 looks too tiny on it.
u can confirm that by comparing the weight of the two models on the shimano.jp website. If they share the same body only different spool it will be 3-5 gram difference. The larger body will have at least 15 gram difference
Which of the two reels would you recommend with an XZoga Airvo-FS710L 2.16 cm Line 2-8, Jig max 0.80-12 gr.? I mainly fish in the sea with a lot of rocky shores
Varivas and Gosen Lumina shine both have perfect color semi/polyester for the Vanford. They say it is polyester but i can tell it has some nylon in it. It is easy to cast and very thin and very reliable, unlike the Orange polyester. I know they are expensive, but after spending so much money on Vanford, u might as well put nice line on it. Its kind of a shame to put some ebay mono on it
So what rod will your 1000 go on when the Corto goes away? Aesthetics aside, I cant think of anything that feels as nice as this reel on the little 5 10 XUL Presso.
but doesn't match the presso at all. Even if we forget the orange accents... the presso is matte black and this reel is piano black and chrome and is a total mismatch. I have the other graphiteleader rod, the Belezza Prototype. That one is tubular tip and i like the action, but it is so short, im thinking of selling it also. You are right, i don't have a rod for the Vanquish. Nothing that will look good. These Presso rods... they look good ONLY with presso reels and nothing else
@@paulmackesy51 you know.... being a black reel.. you can put it on ANY rod and it will NEVER look too bad.. I do think it looks perfect on the CORTO, but yeah, looks pretty nice on the LEP too!
Have you tried the new 23 exsence xr? I am in need of another reel. I have 2 21 exscence and 1 exsence co4 +. I am trying to decide between a 21 Exsence, 23 Exsence xr, and 23 vanquish. All in c3000mhg. I am in south Florida and fish for Lm, peacock bass, and clownknife fish. I will be throwing small paddle tails on a 7’2” ml expride B. Thanks!
i have a video on the difference between Vanquish and Exsence. Then its up to u to determine if extra cost is worth it. If my make 150 000 a year, yes, its worth it. If u make 80 000 a year, no, its not worth it. Value is 100% subjective
What is the difference in the feeling of fishing between the c2000s and the 1000ssspg? What does the low gear and short handle feel like? They have the same mechanism
Hello. Please tell me if the coil does not throw a loop? because in some comments under other videos anglers complain about the loop. And I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this. thank you. Vanquish 2023 1000ssspg i mean
Hi Victor , good morning, I have a question? What reel would you recommend best for striper & bass fishing ? The Shimano Vanquish 23 or Daiwa Certate Lt in 3000 sizes ? Thank you Sir!
I don't think Vanquish is a good value in sizes over 2000. All of the advantages of low inertia and low resistance are washed out because the handle and rotor are so big that they overcome any internal resistance very easy. Additionally the lures you people cast are so heavy that again there is no need for vanquish there. Certate LT in 2500 size or Twinpower in 2500 size is what i recommend. You don't need 3000 size for bass and striper, only for saltwater. If you don't want metal frame, i recommend 2500 size Vanford.
Great Review Sir, what are your thoughts For 22 Exist 2000 vs 23 Exist SF 2000? I know the new is lighter 135g. Just wondering if quality got compromise....
for Ultralight fishing the SF is better for sure. Much better. I want to review this reel but don't want to buy it. If you are from US consider sending it to the show for a review
Parallel winding will always result in "cut-in", which I often encounter on baitcasting reels after playing big fish or hauling up big debris. That's why I don't use thin line on these reels. But in size 1000 the line is very thin, 0.2-0.3 PE.
thats not really a problem for spinning reels though, only baitcasters get birds nest. I can confirm after a big fish the line does cut in, so the next cast hangs a little, but thats alright. The cast after that is beautiful again!
@@ifishcatfish With daiwa's sv and magforce birds nests isn't a problem. The only limit of baitcaster is casting distance and big line thikness. But everything else that is of great importance to you, such as resistance, startup inertia and smooth rotation, is simply unique. I have Daiwa Alfas Air and it feels great on UL fishing (of course with the limitations I mentioned.)
@@user-pn1hh8ez7e Baitcasters are longer, sometimes significantly, than spinning reels except in light to ultralight casting and even that gap is diminishing. I just started getting into BFS and the new Aldebaran is incredible with this down to 1/16 oz baits. I still cannot cast the same distance, or reliability, as I can with the 2023 1000 Vanquish but one of the main contributors is the lack of BC rods rated for this weight. IMO of course.
@@billsikes4007 If we talk about casting at the stadium in calm, then perhaps I agree. But if we talk about fishing conditions, then in order not to keep the cast in focus all the time, you have to tighten the brake. Otherwise, it will be fishing mixed with unraveling bird nests. In this case, the casting distance will have to be sacrificed.
BFS is for light bass lures, not for ultralight fishing. It can't cast ultralight lures, and feels horrible reeling the fish with those reels. It completely kills any kind of pleasure from fighting the fish
do you think a 35mm handle on the c2000s will increase the inertia significantly? and do you feel that the c2500 sized rotor on the c2000s too big for UL rods?
The c2000s handle is 40mm and the inertia is still very good. just not as free as the 19'model. The c2000s weigh's only 5.1oz. and matches perfectly with all my UL rods. I went for the c2000s for various reasons. The line capacity on the c2000s is 115 yards of 3Lb. test vs. 66yards of 2Lb. test on the 1000, the c2000s brings in 27.2" line per turn vs. only 22.8 on the 1000 (Too slow for me) and because of the larger diameter spool and increased line capacity on the c2000s will out cast the 1000. I would definitely stay away from the c2500 for UL fishing. It's too large and doesn't fit on most UL rods. It's your choice. Victor loves the 1000 and he's the expert but I prefer the c2000s.
@@philipfalco7304because im using a zerogra iv double handle which is 65mm. i cannot decide between a c2000s vanquish or 1000ssspg vanquish. since i have a 22 stella 1000sspg currently, my train of thoughts is to get a yumeya spare spool which has a line cap of c2000s if i were to get 23 vanquish 1000ssspg. i mainly use 0.2-0.3 ester lines so both c2000s and 1000ssspg works for me. its just that gear ratio and rotor size of c2500s on the c2000s might affect the inertia when i use the double handle on it. any advice?
@@joze292 That's a tough question!, I use the c2000s with 4LB. mono with 4LB floro leader for Trout, Panfish and sm.Bass. I've never used less than 4LB. mono or 5LB. braid. I also have the 18 Stella 1000 (US version with deeper spool) and use 5Lb. braid to 4LB. floro leader. I've never used the double paddle handle so I can't help you much there but I do know the c2500shg is a larger reel with more line capacity and not really considered an UL reel. I use that for Bass but the c2500 spool is deeper and fits on my 19' c2000s and c2000shg if I want to use 5,6 or 8Lb. mono with floro leader. The only 1000 size reels I own are the 18 Stella (US) version, the 19 Stradic 1000 (U.S. version) and the 17 Tatula Lt 1000. They are all deep spools. The only way I would consider the 23' Vanquish 1000ssspg is if you're using 2-3 LB. line and have a JDM UL rod with small guides and light enough to balance it out. Good luck!
The huge difference between 1000PG and 2000S is the gear ratio. If they make a 2000PG then it should feel the same. I love my PG reels cuz they just feel smoother than the rest.
it will definitely NOT be the same, as it will have a much larger rotor. That rotor has to spin 5 times every time u turn the handle. Think about that.
that would be perfect. Its not just the fish though, most wear comes from lures. As long as u cast lures no more than 3-4 grams, then 1000 size is perfect
Hi Victor. I have a question. When not in use, is it better to keep the reels with the handle on or off? I usually remove the handle when storing my reel. But now I'm afraid it might lead to damaging the "smootheness" with the frequent taking it off and screwing back on when storing.
no sir, the handle thread has nothing to do with the gears. It is separate. Even if u completely mangled it the gears would feel the same. I would put some grease on the thread in your case though, so it comes off easy, if u do it that often. Not to preserve the gears, but to preserve the handle thread itself
I wish they would make a reel with all ceramic bearings option. Many issues would be eliminated and would be much smoother. I want to do a all ceramic upgrade on a reel like my Stella or Stradic or Tatula. 😂 I did my two 2023 Tatula handles and wow it's amazingly way better than a metal bearing. 😊
Sorry, i have to disagree. Done that already to my Vanford reels and had to open them and remove the all ceramic bearings from some places because they create rough feel and noise. On some low-velocity places they are acceptable, but u can't put them to support the pinion or main gear, it really f#kks up the entire feel of the reel, its unbearable. At least the races must be metal. Anyway... i have some serious research on this that i don't want to share yet because one day i may use it for something, but let me just say all ceramic bearings have super low resistance but feel like sh1t and u have to be very selective where u put them
Recommendations depend on a million things. I have a video with recommendations at every price point for different types of fishing. It is called Reel Buying Guide
i know you are not doing SLJ but you are a master at japanese reels , so i would like to ask you which reel should i get for SLj 20-80gr jigs and 20-60mtrs? Ultegra 21 5000xg , Freams 21 4000 CXH ? or something else ? :)
I 100% recommend the brand new SHIMANO STRADIC FL that just came out. It is aluminum frame reel, saltwater, costs almost the same, but 100 times better than these two reels. It is the best power saltwater reel under $200 by far... there is really nothing else to compete
@@60watergr If you are in a hurry but the old Stradic. Its still aluminum frame and better than these reels. These reels are plastic and not suited for the loads u are talking about
i never checked but i don't think so as there are too many differences in drag and oscillation. It is possible to have the slow oscillation with the same spool though, who knows..
@@ifishcatfish the yamaga you had 4lb on is what I'm getting. I might work my way down to 3, but to build confidence I thought 4 would be a good start. We have some decent large mouth here and I'm used to throwing 6 ounce glide baits on 20lb copolymer 😂
I saw the 2019 Vanquish 4000xg for $320 and since I needed a bigger reel, I deciced to buy it expecting it will give the same light rotational feel on the 2500 size. But I get to find out its different with a 4000 let alone Xg model but still the reel is buttery smooth and wont feel like a brick specially when fishing all day. When you mentioned the part where if theres someone who claims their Vanford is now a Vanquish after replacing the bushings with chinese bearings so dont talk to them afterwards. That made me chuckle since they forget to factor the main gear and body of the Vanford is made of plastic so it wont offer the same solid feel
Gears are different too, which is most important. Bearings are different. Line roller, spool lip, handle is lighter, EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT I would avoid HG reels... regular models feel best and last longest
It depends on your needs, there is no better then HG for trout in the stream, but regular 5.1 yes, it's ok, but not better then HG. I think only XG is useless.
I feel the same way. Plus I wanted the higher gear ratio on the c200s 27.2 in per turn vs. 22.8 on the 1000 (Too slow for me) and also the larger spool diameter with increased line capacity will outcast the 1000. Good choice!
To each is own, I suppose. I have the 19 Vanquish and was waiting for the 23 model this spring. But It got delayed and it's ugly so I decided to get the Airty, in 2500 size....best reel I own. The better linelay, lower startup and inertia should give the Vanquish an advantage, but on the water, all my shimanos feel like unrefined garbage when comparing to Airty (never tired Stella or Exist). I'm no Daiwa fanboy. As a matter of fact I got more Shimanos than Daiwas, but the new Airty is just such a joy to fish with plus it looks stunning. I can definitely say that the resistance is less now than new (the tractor grease got pushed around :). Maybe the 2500 size with longer makes it better. Just my 2 cents.
The 2500 got a large handle and rotor and overcome the resistance. Its still there but not so intrusive. The 2500 size rankings would be different as even weight is not a factor there. I dont test many 2500 size reels and my reviews are strictly about the ultralight models, 1000 and 2000
Shimano will always have the best 'perceived smoothness' when reeling off the water inside a room. But Daiwa just has better gearing and teeth contact, especially in larger sizes than shimano, and will be smoother under load. That's the reason why you feel the airity 2500 is better than the vanquish. The Monocoque body may also contribute to the solid feeling of the Daiwa.
i don't use braided line for ANYTHING, not even catfishing or carp fishing. I do have some spools just for testing equipment sometimes, but not for fishing
2500 size reels pair with bass rods.. If the rod is balanced well, and japanese rods are always balanced well, the weight of the rod is not that critical. it can be anything from 70 to 100 grams and feel the same if its balanced well
if L, then definitely. 1 - Aesthetics. 2- Balance. 3 - You are probably chucking 5-10 gram lures with that thing, and that is too much resistance for those tiny gears. If u open the reel u will be shocked how small the gears are. People always buy reels to fight the fish, but the fish fight is nonsense, it ends in 10 seconds, and the drag does not allow much stress on the reel. But casting big lures for HOURS, that will wear your gears
Loving these honest reviews, they're really helping me plan my purchases.
Outstanding review. I don’t know of another YT’er that would have picked up on the oscillation change.
Love the video Vic! I just prefer the c2000s for my style of UL fishing.
Great review! Just ordered the 2500S XG version for chub fishing on streams and some larger rivers.
why XG
@ifishcatfish I've asked myself the same question after some time and sent an email to the store to actually replace the reel with a HG instead. I'm used to big gear ratio reels because I'm mostly fishing in rapid mountain streams. But this one is going to be used in slow water too. So I don't really need the XG.
Also, I'm not sure why XG is cheaper than the HG one. 1000JPY less on digitaka.
@@andreiiancu5144 because nobody wants them
@@ifishcatfish can you elaborate a bit why?
@@andreiiancu5144 because they feel shitty. You want to spin the rotor 6 times with spinning the handle one time. Thats a lot of work. It will feel very heavy. My reels have 4.8 gear ratio. Feel very light , no resistance. Also wear slower because of less stress.
Привет, Виктор! Великолепно, талантливый, скрупулезный анализ, как и всегда! Большое спасибо!
Hello Victor! Superb, talented, meticulous analysis, as always! Thank you very much!
Здравей Виктор! Страхотен, талантлив, педантичен анализ, както винаги! Благодаря ти много!
U menya 44 let. Starie Bolgariki govoriat po russkii. Molodie Bolgariki... tam huinia, oni daje bolgarski ne govoriut.
Hi i_fish, I truly enjoy your videos, particularly because of your fascination into UL gear. I have a gamakatsu Luxxe Yoihime Hana 2 Rod, I think you would enjoy their 47gms liteness !!
Got myself the 1000 and love it. Now I'm just waiting on my "fancy black Japanese rod" to arrive ie; Yamaga Blanks 71tz/nano. Should be a perfect match. Thanks for the video 👍
that rod can go with either reel, 1000 or 2000
The Yamaga Blanks 71tz/nano actually has a dark brown metal flake finnish with gold thread. The Soare XR is nearly the perfect match.
I've got Vanquish 19 2500 SHG which I mostly use on my all black Graphiteleader Finezza 19 for catching perch and after I saw your review I will definitely buy the new 1000 SSSPG to pair it with this rod.
U gota try the 1000 :)
Good morning, Victor buddy, from rainy Chicago!🏙⛈️
Way too much water🤦🏾♂️
Hello there!
Micro module was mainly on the smaller gears that drive the oscillation units. I think the main gear and pinion have remained close to the same size through pre-micro module gears and after. The Stradic FL has micro module gears as a feature, but the main gear and pinion are about the same size as the previous Ci4+FB (or Stradic FK). Again I think the micro module feature for spinning reels mainly applies to the worm oscillation gears (which are normally plastic in cheaper models).
No, it was never about the small plastic gears. Shimano never talks about those gears. Also u can find people who opened the reels and see the size teeth on old and new model
No, it was never about the small plastic gears. Shimano never talks about those gears. Also u can find people who opened the reels and see the size teeth on old and new model
I’m gonna wait for the new Exist SF review before deciding which 1000 size reel to get.
Thx for another great review🙏
Just got my 2500 size and I like it. This is my first Shimano in recent years
Question: Have you checked if any bushing can be replaced by bearings for improved performance?
Thx in advance🙏
replacing ANYTHING in this reel will lead to decreased performance. One hundred percent certain! Do not ever think about this again
Victor: SHIMANO Sahara 2022 - I am learning so much from you on so may different things about fishing I NEVER knew (Reels, Poles, Fishing line, presentation of lures etc. You have given me a WHOLE new outlook on fishing and I now have the fever. I am trying to have a balance of low to medium pieces of gear. I took your advice on the Shimano Sahara and Daiwa Ligulas. Today I did received my Shimano Sahara C2000s from overseas after (4) days through Digitaka. I was so worried about buying from them, since I never have gone that route. I am extremely glad to report it arrived in perfect condition in the original Shimano box. I checked it backwards and forwards to ensure I wasn't getting some knock off, but the real product. I did and it cost me $63.74 U.S. dollars. I had to learn through buying my reels that my size reel is not a 1000, nor 2000 size reel, but 2500. I'm sure you have pointed that out somewhere, but I missed it.
Thank you for your fishing advice to all of us who follow you. I will continue to follow your lead as I go through my progression as a new re-found fisherman. My wife who is from Prishtina Kosovo also follows you and listens to your advice. She now fishes with me and has her own rod & reel (She got the Daiwa Ligulas). Thanks!
Semper Fi Victor P.
I love the comment, read the whole thing! Thank you for taking the time! Everyone needs to read something like this from time to time.
@@ifishcatfish Vic, I am very fortunate with my career that I could get something nice for me. I currently have what I need. However, I do want that one special ultralight fishing set up that I take out every now and then. I really liked the Shimano 6 ft Soare XR you reviewed. It looks just amazing and I'm absolutely sure it fishes great. Now the million-dollar question what reel to put on it? I am like you in the sense I want a great reel that color matches the fishing rod. I will go with what you suggest... Semper Fi Vic.
how about the Soare XR 1000 or 2000, SSSPG model
@@ifishcatfish Rodger that sir.... I will start looking for one. First issue is finding the rod and then the reel. I have what I need now to fish.... This set-up will be my special set-up where everything matches perfectly, just like my 1911 custom made pistol and holster. I'm sure you understand.
Vic, you are the "MAN"! Semper Fi Vic P.
I had to return the second 23 Vanquish 2000S that i purchased from digitaka. The handle had two much play in it and was clacking everytime I turned it. It wasn't noticeable at the house but on the water it was a big nuisance.
The first reel was fine though. Now I'm debating to get another 2000 or a 1000 size. Or not to get another Vanquish at all.
1000
I wonder if it would make a difference, or if it’s even possible to put micro module gears in the 2023 model. That way, you would get the slow start up inertia, and low resistance with all the new technologies included already.
No, not possible. Entire gear geometry is totslly different. There is extra plastic gear. Timing of gears is obviously different. But if u find the old vanquish on sale for some reason….
Thanks Victor from Croatia.✌
Howdy!
Hi Victor, always enjoy your reviews. can i ask if you ever tried the Shimano Stradic 2500 FJ? if so what is your opion vs the legalis? im currently running with a Tierra 2500
Haven't tried it yet, but k know it will be stronger and more durable. Not sure if its heavier or lighter, probably pretty close
@@ifishcatfish Did you ever come across the Daiwa Freams?
its offered only in Europe and i didn't review it. It still has the Legalis gears but lighter frame..
Thanks for an other solid review, I used my V 1000 for 2 days the grinding gears made it unusable. Maybe the famous Japanese quality control is lacking or the send the bad ones overseas 😅.
maybe #2. I pulled a hundred bass, two catfish and one buffalo with mine, and counting. People love buying from japan, but if the same exact reel is sold in USA, it is worth buying locally so u can return.
if anything, this reel is more durable than the last. If you see an image of the teeth, they are twice as big, which increased the weight of the gears. They had to compensate for that by reducing the weight of the spool and handle and some other places. But gears, while they may not feel as nice as the old model, are LEGITIMATELY more durable
Great information, thank you🤝
Would be really good if the next vanquish came stock with a cork or bamboo knob. I really like the Cardiff however the vanquish is a much better reel to fish with..
Ummm.. NO! You can buy a cork knob anywhere and put it on. Nobody else like cork knobs
As usual well done Victor.
I did not expect a lot of improvement in terms of start up Inertia, resistance, and smoothness. Only because the 19 was already really good and improvements become exceedingly more difficult to come by.
Considering they were able to improve durability due to infinity cross and still maintain the feel of the 19, I would call that a win.
There is one silly thing that I would like to see you include in your reviews.
Spool capacities.
I fish a lot of super clear water. So in my case I use straight flourocarbon. The lines that I prefer come in 80 and 100 meter spools. I do not like running leaders or backing. So thats actually one of the first things I look at when determining if the reel will work for me!
Maybe I have put myself in a box, but that is just me. Im sure I'm not on an island!
Thats right, the ‘19 was already a beast.
Spool capacity is listed on the website, no? I havent even checked it. I dont know whatnit is myslef :)
2000s is listed at 125m of 3lb mono.
So if using lighter and thinner line you would not be able to fill it!
sounds right. but what to do..
@@ifishcatfish you already did it!
Buy the 1000😁
Great video! If you had to decide between the 1000ssspg vanquish and the stella, which would you get if you could only fish 1.
For me this, even if they cost the same
@@ifishcatfish High praise haha
Hi Victor, I have an 1000 size vanquish but I'm looking to either purchase a c2000s or a c2500s. I know you had an older model c2500s. What exactly is it different between the c2000s vs c2500s? Just the spool size and different handle knob? Thank you. Reasons why I'm looking at the bigger one is I have a Light action bass rod that I use for shore fishing and the 1000 looks too tiny on it.
yes, just spool and knob
u can confirm that by comparing the weight of the two models on the shimano.jp website. If they share the same body only different spool it will be 3-5 gram difference. The larger body will have at least 15 gram difference
Which of the two reels would you recommend with an XZoga Airvo-FS710L 2.16 cm Line 2-8, Jig max 0.80-12 gr.? I mainly fish in the sea with a lot of rocky shores
Maybe 2500 size for saltwater
Vic, I have an off-topic question: I'm looking for some Red Mono for my Vanford's. I haven't been able to find any. What would you suggest? Thank's
Varivas and Gosen Lumina shine both have perfect color semi/polyester for the Vanford. They say it is polyester but i can tell it has some nylon in it. It is easy to cast and very thin and very reliable, unlike the Orange polyester. I know they are expensive, but after spending so much money on Vanford, u might as well put nice line on it. Its kind of a shame to put some ebay mono on it
@@ifishcatfish Thank's a lot Victor.
So what rod will your 1000 go on when the Corto goes away? Aesthetics aside, I cant think of anything that feels as nice as this reel on the little 5 10 XUL Presso.
but doesn't match the presso at all. Even if we forget the orange accents... the presso is matte black and this reel is piano black and chrome and is a total mismatch. I have the other graphiteleader rod, the Belezza Prototype. That one is tubular tip and i like the action, but it is so short, im thinking of selling it also. You are right, i don't have a rod for the Vanquish. Nothing that will look good. These Presso rods... they look good ONLY with presso reels and nothing else
It does look and feel pretty good on the St Croix LEP rod. But I love that little Presso :)
@@paulmackesy51 you know.... being a black reel.. you can put it on ANY rod and it will NEVER look too bad.. I do think it looks perfect on the CORTO, but yeah, looks pretty nice on the LEP too!
Before you said it, logic told me that fast oscillation stops braid digging in. Then again it might have more slippage
no matter what your oscillation is, marketing team will find something positive to say about it
Have you tried the new 23 exsence xr? I am in need of another reel. I have 2 21 exscence and 1 exsence co4 +. I am trying to decide between a 21 Exsence, 23 Exsence xr, and 23 vanquish. All in c3000mhg. I am in south Florida and fish for Lm, peacock bass, and clownknife fish. I will be throwing small paddle tails on a 7’2” ml expride B. Thanks!
No, i have not, but i am reviewing another XR reel on Sunday
Do you think the extra cost of the 23 Vanquish is worth spending over a 21 Exsence?
i have a video on the difference between Vanquish and Exsence. Then its up to u to determine if extra cost is worth it. If my make 150 000 a year, yes, its worth it. If u make 80 000 a year, no, its not worth it. Value is 100% subjective
What is the difference in the feeling of fishing between the c2000s and the 1000ssspg?
What does the low gear and short handle feel like?
They have the same mechanism
correct!
Hello. Please tell me if the coil does not throw a loop? because in some comments under other videos anglers complain about the loop. And I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this. thank you. Vanquish 2023 1000ssspg i mean
No loop. Whoever told u that is a moron
I am really debating on the 1000k size vanguish or just maybe buying 2 other decent reels.
If u already have 8 decent reels, go woth vanquish. If u only have a few decent reels, then get two
Hi,i wonder if i buy a spare main gear from Stella and put it in my new Vanquish, will it make it the Supreme ultralight Reel?
maybe. Don't even need the pinion, just the main gear. I bet they would fit. Let me know how it goes
Hi Victor , good morning, I have a question? What reel would you recommend best for striper & bass fishing ? The Shimano Vanquish 23 or Daiwa Certate Lt in 3000 sizes ? Thank you Sir!
I don't think Vanquish is a good value in sizes over 2000. All of the advantages of low inertia and low resistance are washed out because the handle and rotor are so big that they overcome any internal resistance very easy. Additionally the lures you people cast are so heavy that again there is no need for vanquish there. Certate LT in 2500 size or Twinpower in 2500 size is what i recommend. You don't need 3000 size for bass and striper, only for saltwater. If you don't want metal frame, i recommend 2500 size Vanford.
@@ifishcatfish thank you sir for your input 👍
Great Review Sir, what are your thoughts For
22 Exist 2000 vs 23 Exist SF 2000?
I know the new is lighter 135g. Just wondering if quality got compromise....
for Ultralight fishing the SF is better for sure. Much better. I want to review this reel but don't want to buy it. If you are from US consider sending it to the show for a review
Parallel winding will always result in "cut-in", which I often encounter on baitcasting reels after playing big fish or hauling up big debris. That's why I don't use thin line on these reels. But in size 1000 the line is very thin, 0.2-0.3 PE.
thats not really a problem for spinning reels though, only baitcasters get birds nest. I can confirm after a big fish the line does cut in, so the next cast hangs a little, but thats alright. The cast after that is beautiful again!
@@ifishcatfish With daiwa's sv and magforce birds nests isn't a problem. The only limit of baitcaster is casting distance and big line thikness. But everything else that is of great importance to you, such as resistance, startup inertia and smooth rotation, is simply unique. I have Daiwa Alfas Air and it feels great on UL fishing (of course with the limitations I mentioned.)
@@user-pn1hh8ez7e Baitcasters are longer, sometimes significantly, than spinning reels except in light to ultralight casting and even that gap is diminishing. I just started getting into BFS and the new Aldebaran is incredible with this down to 1/16 oz baits. I still cannot cast the same distance, or reliability, as I can with the 2023 1000 Vanquish but one of the main contributors is the lack of BC rods rated for this weight. IMO of course.
@@billsikes4007 If we talk about casting at the stadium in calm, then perhaps I agree. But if we talk about fishing conditions, then in order not to keep the cast in focus all the time, you have to tighten the brake. Otherwise, it will be fishing mixed with unraveling bird nests. In this case, the casting distance will have to be sacrificed.
BFS is for light bass lures, not for ultralight fishing. It can't cast ultralight lures, and feels horrible reeling the fish with those reels. It completely kills any kind of pleasure from fighting the fish
do you think a 35mm handle on the c2000s will increase the inertia significantly? and do you feel that the c2500 sized rotor on the c2000s too big for UL rods?
in general i am against swapping parts in reels. And even cars. Stock is best.
The c2000s handle is 40mm and the inertia is still very good. just not as free as the 19'model. The c2000s weigh's only 5.1oz. and matches perfectly with all my UL rods. I went for the c2000s for various reasons. The line capacity on the c2000s is 115 yards of 3Lb. test vs. 66yards of 2Lb. test on the 1000, the c2000s brings in 27.2" line per turn vs. only 22.8 on the 1000 (Too slow for me) and because of the larger diameter spool and increased line capacity on the c2000s will out cast the 1000. I would definitely stay away from the c2500 for UL fishing. It's too large and doesn't fit on most UL rods. It's your choice. Victor loves the 1000 and he's the expert but I prefer the c2000s.
@@philipfalco7304because im using a zerogra iv double handle which is 65mm. i cannot decide between a c2000s vanquish or 1000ssspg vanquish.
since i have a 22 stella 1000sspg currently, my train of thoughts is to get a yumeya spare spool which has a line cap of c2000s if i were to get 23 vanquish 1000ssspg. i mainly use 0.2-0.3 ester lines so both c2000s and 1000ssspg works for me. its just that gear ratio and rotor size of c2500s on the c2000s might affect the inertia when i use the double handle on it. any advice?
@@joze292 That's a tough question!, I use the c2000s with 4LB. mono with 4LB floro leader for Trout, Panfish and sm.Bass. I've never used less than 4LB. mono or 5LB. braid. I also have the 18 Stella 1000 (US version with deeper spool) and use 5Lb. braid to 4LB. floro leader. I've never used the double paddle handle so I can't help you much there but I do know the c2500shg is a larger reel with more line capacity and not really considered an UL reel. I use that for Bass but the c2500 spool is deeper and fits on my 19' c2000s and c2000shg if I want to use 5,6 or 8Lb. mono with floro leader. The only 1000 size reels I own are the 18 Stella (US) version, the 19 Stradic 1000 (U.S. version) and the 17 Tatula Lt 1000. They are all deep spools. The only way I would consider the 23' Vanquish 1000ssspg is if you're using 2-3 LB. line and have a JDM UL rod with small guides and light enough to balance it out. Good luck!
@@philipfalco7304 appreciate your help! i just ordered the 1000SSSPG vanquish! cant wait 😂
The huge difference between 1000PG and 2000S is the gear ratio. If they make a 2000PG then it should feel the same. I love my PG reels cuz they just feel smoother than the rest.
it will definitely NOT be the same, as it will have a much larger rotor. That rotor has to spin 5 times every time u turn the handle. Think about that.
For Shimano Soare [0,6-6g, S76UL-T ( SOXRS76ULT ) - spinning - tubular tip ] Vanquish C2000 or 1000?
What do You think ?
2000.
Friend, what weights of bait can these reels be used for fishing? My fish are small and weigh 100-200 grams on average
that would be perfect. Its not just the fish though, most wear comes from lures. As long as u cast lures no more than 3-4 grams, then 1000 size is perfect
@@ifishcatfish and if you take it with a reserve? better than 2500?
Hi Victor. I have a question. When not in use, is it better to keep the reels with the handle on or off? I usually remove the handle when storing my reel. But now I'm afraid it might lead to damaging the "smootheness" with the frequent taking it off and screwing back on when storing.
no sir, the handle thread has nothing to do with the gears. It is separate. Even if u completely mangled it the gears would feel the same. I would put some grease on the thread in your case though, so it comes off easy, if u do it that often. Not to preserve the gears, but to preserve the handle thread itself
I wish they would make a reel with all ceramic bearings option. Many issues would be eliminated and would be much smoother. I want to do a all ceramic upgrade on a reel like my Stella or Stradic or Tatula. 😂
I did my two 2023 Tatula handles and wow it's amazingly way better than a metal bearing. 😊
Sorry, i have to disagree. Done that already to my Vanford reels and had to open them and remove the all ceramic bearings from some places because they create rough feel and noise. On some low-velocity places they are acceptable, but u can't put them to support the pinion or main gear, it really f#kks up the entire feel of the reel, its unbearable. At least the races must be metal. Anyway... i have some serious research on this that i don't want to share yet because one day i may use it for something, but let me just say all ceramic bearings have super low resistance but feel like sh1t and u have to be very selective where u put them
@@ifishcatfish Thanks for the info. I'll just keep in the handles then. 😊
@@ifishcatfish Funny how this guy did it and no issues.
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Mr. Ivan
Which one will you recomend to me
Vanquist or exist
Thankyou
Recommendations depend on a million things. I have a video with recommendations at every price point for different types of fishing. It is called Reel Buying Guide
Oh nice reed vanquish C2000S
i am always enjoying your videos with light game reels you are a blessing to the community.Keep it going.
thank you sir- i appreciate that!
i know you are not doing SLJ but you are a master at japanese reels , so i would like to ask you which reel should i get for SLj 20-80gr jigs and 20-60mtrs?
Ultegra 21 5000xg , Freams 21 4000 CXH ? or something else ? :)
I 100% recommend the brand new SHIMANO STRADIC FL that just came out. It is aluminum frame reel, saltwater, costs almost the same, but 100 times better than these two reels. It is the best power saltwater reel under $200 by far... there is really nothing else to compete
@@ifishcatfish seems a nice one but not yet available :) ultegra 5000xg around 120$ or freams lt 4000cxh around 90$?
@@60watergr If you are in a hurry but the old Stradic. Its still aluminum frame and better than these reels. These reels are plastic and not suited for the loads u are talking about
@@ifishcatfish then i ll wait a bit :) maybe some TP comes on offer as well ! Thx!
@@60watergr TP will be way out of your price range and difference with Stradic will be small. Anyway, i told u my opinion its up to u now
Hi champ! Quick info.... Can i fit perhaps a 2500 spool to the new Vanquish Fc VQC2000SC? Thanks
No, 2000 and 2500 are not compatible. Not just diameter but stroke is different.
@@ifishcatfish
Thank you!
@@florintraistaru3038 as you see, i reply to all comments. Please write tackle questions here.
Are the spools interchangeable between 19 vanquish & 23 vanquish?
i never checked but i don't think so as there are too many differences in drag and oscillation. It is possible to have the slow oscillation with the same spool though, who knows..
For bass ultra light fishing I assume I'd need the 2000 size since the 1k only holds 60 yards of 3lb?
I think it holds more than that. As long as u buy japanese line
It will hold enough 3 lb line for bass fishing. Even 50 yards is enough. How far do u think u can cast with 1.5 gram?
@@ifishcatfish I'll be using 4lb main line I think
@@saleen12 none of the last 6 rods i have reviewed work with 4 lb line. They are all up to 3 lb line
@@ifishcatfish the yamaga you had 4lb on is what I'm getting. I might work my way down to 3, but to build confidence I thought 4 would be a good start. We have some decent large mouth here and I'm used to throwing 6 ounce glide baits on 20lb copolymer 😂
I saw the 2019 Vanquish 4000xg for $320 and since I needed a bigger reel, I deciced to buy it expecting it will give the same light rotational feel on the 2500 size.
But I get to find out its different with a 4000 let alone Xg model but still the reel is buttery smooth and wont feel like a brick specially when fishing all day.
When you mentioned the part where if theres someone who claims their Vanford is now a Vanquish after replacing the bushings with chinese bearings so dont talk to them afterwards.
That made me chuckle since they forget to factor the main gear and body of the Vanford is made of plastic so it wont offer the same solid feel
Gears are different too, which is most important. Bearings are different. Line roller, spool lip, handle is lighter, EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT
I would avoid HG reels... regular models feel best and last longest
It depends on your needs, there is no better then HG for trout in the stream, but regular 5.1 yes, it's ok, but not better then HG. I think only XG is useless.
@@FF-xv9oq thats the reason why I order reels straight from Japan since here in America they only sell XG models
In Europe depends on region, but mostly we have HG. Japan versions have compact C ant shallow S versions.
I did decide to get the c2000s because the 1000 is too shallow for me, thank you for this video comparison😁 well done!
it takes full 150 meter spool of my varivas line... how much line u want?
I feel the same way. Plus I wanted the higher gear ratio on the c200s 27.2 in per turn vs. 22.8 on the 1000 (Too slow for me) and also the larger spool diameter with increased line capacity will outcast the 1000. Good choice!
Curious to see how much of the new technology is going to be in the new stradic?
Gona get big teeth for sure, but will be dipped in that black tar
When will the new stradic come out?
Why would they put infinity x cross into the vanquish? Seems like a downgrade for sure. New Stradic FM has that as well.....
То есть на шелест катухи не стоит обращать внимания - это из за увеличенной главной пары происходит, я верно понял?
what is shelest katuhi?
@@ifishcatfish shshsh sound....im not good english sorry...катуха при вращении как будто шелестит или шипит
@@asaoppenheimer6944 ne ponimaiu eto
To each is own, I suppose. I have the 19 Vanquish and was waiting for the 23 model this spring. But It got delayed and it's ugly so I decided to get the Airty, in 2500 size....best reel I own.
The better linelay, lower startup and inertia should give the Vanquish an advantage, but on the water, all my shimanos feel like unrefined garbage when comparing to Airty (never tired Stella or Exist). I'm no Daiwa fanboy. As a matter of fact I got more Shimanos than Daiwas, but the new Airty is just such a joy to fish with plus it looks stunning. I can definitely say that the resistance is less now than new (the tractor grease got pushed around :). Maybe the 2500 size with longer makes it better. Just my 2 cents.
The 2500 got a large handle and rotor and overcome the resistance. Its still there but not so intrusive. The 2500 size rankings would be different as even weight is not a factor there. I dont test many 2500 size reels and my reviews are strictly about the ultralight models, 1000 and 2000
Yeap I agree since I felt the same way when i used my 2500 Airity and was amazed the resistance was not as noticeble out there in the water
The Airity 2500S has a 50mm handle. That will reduce the resistance when retrieving. The old Luvias airity 2500S had a 45mm handle.
Shimano will always have the best 'perceived smoothness' when reeling off the water inside a room. But Daiwa just has better gearing and teeth contact, especially in larger sizes than shimano, and will be smoother under load. That's the reason why you feel the airity 2500 is better than the vanquish. The Monocoque body may also contribute to the solid feeling of the Daiwa.
Do u use braided on the vanqisch 1000?
i don't use braided line for ANYTHING, not even catfishing or carp fishing. I do have some spools just for testing equipment sometimes, but not for fishing
@@ifishcatfish Do u test Daiwa 23 Exist SF 1000S-P and measure her weight?
Hi, from Lithuania, Vilnius😂
Terrorist summit town?
Hola, con que gramaje de caña emparejar el c2500sxg?
Un saludo amigo
i dont understand, amigo
I'm sorry, what weight of reeds would you pair the Vanquish C2500SXG with? I have doubts if it would look good with something light up to 10g.
2500 size reels pair with bass rods.. If the rod is balanced well, and japanese rods are always balanced well, the weight of the rod is not that critical. it can be anything from 70 to 100 grams and feel the same if its balanced well
Is this reel will not be sold in the U.S.A?
It is sold in usa
is putting the vanquish c2500s on a 2.4m L rod being too small?
if L, then definitely. 1 - Aesthetics. 2- Balance. 3 - You are probably chucking 5-10 gram lures with that thing, and that is too much resistance for those tiny gears. If u open the reel u will be shocked how small the gears are. People always buy reels to fight the fish, but the fish fight is nonsense, it ends in 10 seconds, and the drag does not allow much stress on the reel. But casting big lures for HOURS, that will wear your gears
@@ifishcatfish ok thx
@@ifishcatfish I am still confusing buying 19vanquish or 23vanquish 😂
if u pay full price, buy new. If u find old discounted, buy old. But i dont think they will discount the old
@@ifishcatfish thanks I think it’s hard to find the old
Hello from switzerland
Hi there :)
Exlent SIR ❤❤❤❤😂😂
I can only afford 23 Stradic C2500S FM is it ok
its pretty good
@ifishcatfish thank you mr catfish for your reply
What the price on the reel
an arm and a leg
Last time I checked on Digitaka, it was $402
Prise in india..???
half an ounce of gold
A huge leap sideways 😅
glad someone appreciated that. Well.. at least one person did..