I’m at the point with my golf game where I am looking into getting “more comfortable” and your videos are helping me figure some things out and I like how you aren’t up tight and you are willing to share knowledge. I really appreciate that because I’m a tinkerer and I want to start catering my golf equipment to fit me better! Thanks for the videos!
If you play the same course frequently or exclusively this is very good advice. But if you are playing a variety of courses then you'd need to have more than one putter to adapt to changing green speeds. You would lose the consistency gained by using the same device all the time. I think awareness of what you have discussed would help you just adjust your stroke with your favorite putter. You should always hit the practice green prior to playing to feel the green speed- and hope it matches the greens on the course. Love your work. Most amateurs are clueless when it comes to how clubs are built and how performance can be drastically altered by them.
100% agree. When playing travel golf I have three putters with me and decide on the practice green which is going in the bag that day totally based on speed and graininess
Finally got the Odyssey EXO 7 and really love the feel and balance, used to be a lighter blade type person but the results with the EXO are hard to beat. Play on slower Bermuda greens "Southern Arizona" do not like the oversize grips everyone seems to go for, I stay with the pistol grip which gives me a better feel. Thanks for the updates
Maybe this is crazy - I am a high handicapper who likes the short game. I have two putters an Odyssey Mallet Putter and an old Ping Anser blade putter - curious thing I have discovered in practice rounds - namely : Best set up is Blade Putter on long putts and Mallet putter on short putts - really consistent . In proper golf I used only one putter of course - but I often think I should bring both ! Crazy game this golf !
Great video, I have always gravitated to a heavy putter or adding weight to the standard configuration because it really helps stabilize my stroke. Too light a feel and my path starts to stray. Of course putters are very personal when it comes to look and feel, not to mention factoring in face balance or various toe hang designs to match up your stroke.
I hand milled a really old bullseye putter to make the putting face flat. Best putter ever! The curved base means I can essentially plumb bob my putter at set up (so it hangs vertical), then straight back and through the almost face balance putter. As you mentioned AJ the light club head makes distance control a breeze.
@@EFGMC ua-cam.com/video/CXxTJAQyGqc/v-deo.html i have uploaded a video of my mizuno putter. I whipped a chamois 'overgrip' for a field hockey stick over the very old grip to freshen it up. And for some flair around ferrule area I also put some whipping
Just discovered your channel yesterday and your vids are awesome!🔥 got a set of blueprints on the way and you’ve inspired me to custom build them myself
Valid points AJ. I have an old Ping 1-A that I bought on eBay about 15 years ago for like $70. It was about 35.5 inches long, this year I cut it down to 32 inches put a new thin pistol Winn grip on it and it’s a C1 swing weight, very very light. I put lead tape on the head and it actually eliminates the “ping” sound so I removed the lead tape. Might have to bring it the course and give it a try
I wouldn't even worry about the swing weight. Swing weight was never designed for putter weighting especially these days where you have so many different lengths, counter weights, and balance points. That 1-A is still the coolest sounding putter! Like putting with a wind chime.
My putter has always worked pretty well. With the new midsize grip it seems even better. But it's from the 80's. Probably not too heavy---OH WAIT, that's my putter! Your old putter. Hah. I've never wanted another.
I’ve played with weight and found that too much kills all feeling and to little kills all confidence . I now live happily ever after with my 80’s Goldilocks mallet from callaway , I can easily adjust for pace once I know it .
So I'm not the only one that changes putter base on the course.. on fast greens, I use a lighter putter, and on slow greens, I use a heavier putter. It could be psychological. But it works for me . Keep two putters in the trunk
You don't think swingweight is more important than overall weight? I believe it is. My partner doesn't like how light her putter is but it's actually quite heavy (573 gms overall), it just has a very light swing weight (C7).
So what you are really saying is we have to tell the wife we have to go buy a couple of more Scotty C putters because they put sand all over the geeens-explain that to them,or they shave the greens on a Tuesday,or it might rain today,or it’s a 110 degrees today so the the greens will be faster after 4:00,brilliant video he said sarcastically.
55 years old? Did i hear that right? I have tried both heavy (scotty w 30gm weights) and light ( 10gm. ) most munis greens are on slow side so i use heavier weights. Playing better faster greens especially w more contours i go w 15gm. Having that option w putter is great.
"i'm picking up what ya putting down" (bad pun) i played a course with super quick greens (fastest i've played) with my TM spider (flatso grip) and i couldn't pick the speed 2far or 2short, it was so frustrating, wish i'd taken my Ping B60 and its so light, compared to the TM. or even a old bullseye style.
Lighter club implies a longer stroke. heavier club implies a shorter stroke. Due to physics (1/2M*v^2) the kinetic energy gains/losses are more effective with v than M. Which works great for long shots. Arguably a shorter stroke is more accurate (cp). More mass also affects MOI.
"You don't want an outlier." Putting is an outlier. It's different than every other stroke. There is no need for the weight to relate to the other clubs in the bag. If falls in the "whatever works" category.
I get the sentiment, but a putting stroke is so dissimilar to a full swing, that a difference between putter weight and iron weight is probably not that relevant, compared to how the putter feels.
Interesting. I feel the complete opposite to this. I find a heavy putter is easier for short fast putts. Heavy putter on slow greens with a long putt requires more effort to swing and control. I prefer lighter putter in the winter.
The majority of people say fast greens lighter putter. Years back i heard Tiger say the opposite. You want short strokes to be really stable therefore heavier. I changed up and have never looked back.
Tiger may have said it, but it's not what he does. When he goes to play an Open, lead tape shows up on his putter to help manage the slower green speed.
@@EFGMC i suppose at the time he said that putters were lighter than today so his feel for heavier is (was) lighter than what is now "normal". I would bet T leads up at the open for wind more than anything which emphasises the need for stability in the stroke. If you consider Newton's second law of motion the mass has little effect on ball speed, I would suggest people reaction to the weight is their focus rather than their speed through the ball. Anyhow... keep up the great channel. Love the content 🔥
Sure, you can think about the weight of your putter based on green speed, and your stroke. But what in the world does the weight of your irons have to do with the weight of your putter when it's not even close to the same type of swing. Weight progression through your set is not meant to include your putter.
I have a scotty cameron special select putter with 40grams on either side, if I put 30 grams in either side, would that be to much of a change on the overall balance of the putter. Kind regards Keith
Could be in need of a lighter putter. Could also try installing a lighter putter shaft. Might also try choking down a half inch to 1 inch and see if that change does anything for your distance control.
@@rickcudmore8156 Will depend what kind of putter you are using and if it has a bend, or double bend. Bend shafts you won't have much in the way of options.
Very good vid however, does swingweight come into putters as well as total weight? because a 33" putter Vs a 35" putter simply has a shorter shaft with the same head and head weight, hence the swingweight of my 33" Odyssey #7 is ridiculously light and have added 20g to the head to make it D5 rather that C5 as standard.
Swing weight as a measurement was not made to measure putters. I don't ever use it because the the club is so upright in it's position that SW doesn't accurately describe what is going on. SW should really be used for matching irons and wedges, and then matching drivers and fairway woods.
of course the weight of the putter matters, but having a putter with weight close to the weight of wedge, makes no sense as a comparison, because the speed of a wedge head is way higher that the speed of the putter's head...therefore, the weight of the putter should be adjusted only according to the individual golfer needs, without any direct comparison to the wedge weight
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I’m at the point with my golf game where I am looking into getting “more comfortable” and your videos are helping me figure some things out and I like how you aren’t up tight and you are willing to share knowledge. I really appreciate that because I’m a tinkerer and I want to start catering my golf equipment to fit me better! Thanks for the videos!
If you play the same course frequently or exclusively this is very good advice. But if you are playing a variety of courses then you'd need to have more than one putter to adapt to changing green speeds. You would lose the consistency gained by using the same device all the time. I think awareness of what you have discussed would help you just adjust your stroke with your favorite putter. You should always hit the practice green prior to playing to feel the green speed- and hope it matches the greens on the course.
Love your work. Most amateurs are clueless when it comes to how clubs are built and how performance can be drastically altered by them.
100% agree. When playing travel golf I have three putters with me and decide on the practice green which is going in the bag that day totally based on speed and graininess
I put a counterweight Evnroll grip on my putter and that seems to really help. I am averaging less then 32 putts per round.
Finally got the Odyssey EXO 7 and really love the feel and balance, used to be a lighter blade type person but the results with the EXO are hard to beat. Play on slower Bermuda greens "Southern Arizona" do not like the oversize grips everyone seems to go for, I stay with the pistol grip which gives me a better feel.
Thanks for the updates
Maybe this is crazy - I am a high handicapper who likes the short game.
I have two putters an Odyssey Mallet Putter and an old Ping Anser blade putter - curious thing I have discovered in practice rounds - namely :
Best set up is Blade Putter on long putts and Mallet putter on short putts - really consistent .
In proper golf I used only one putter of course - but I often think I should bring both !
Crazy game this golf !
Great video, I have always gravitated to a heavy putter or adding weight to the standard configuration because it really helps stabilize my stroke. Too light a feel and my path starts to stray. Of course putters are very personal when it comes to look and feel, not to mention factoring in face balance or various toe hang designs to match up your stroke.
I hand milled a really old bullseye putter to make the putting face flat. Best putter ever! The curved base means I can essentially plumb bob my putter at set up (so it hangs vertical), then straight back and through the almost face balance putter. As you mentioned AJ the light club head makes distance control a breeze.
Would like to see a picture of this putter!
@@EFGMC ua-cam.com/video/CXxTJAQyGqc/v-deo.html i have uploaded a video of my mizuno putter. I whipped a chamois 'overgrip' for a field hockey stick over the very old grip to freshen it up. And for some flair around ferrule area I also put some whipping
ua-cam.com/users/shorts0gd_rZ8WnDE?feature=share. I also just recorded a video of my other bullseye for you as well.
Another great vid! Just went to Elite Fit and subscribed. Keep up the good work!
Just discovered your channel yesterday and your vids are awesome!🔥 got a set of blueprints on the way and you’ve inspired me to custom build them myself
Welcome to the channel!
Valid points AJ. I have an old Ping 1-A that I bought on eBay about 15 years ago for like $70. It was about 35.5 inches long, this year I cut it down to 32 inches put a new thin pistol Winn grip on it and it’s a C1 swing weight, very very light. I put lead tape on the head and it actually eliminates the “ping” sound so I removed the lead tape.
Might have to bring it the course and give it a try
I wouldn't even worry about the swing weight. Swing weight was never designed for putter weighting especially these days where you have so many different lengths, counter weights, and balance points.
That 1-A is still the coolest sounding putter! Like putting with a wind chime.
@@EFGMC yeah ! I definitely need to put it my bag for my next round !!
My putter has always worked pretty well. With the new midsize grip it seems even better. But it's from the 80's. Probably not too heavy---OH WAIT, that's my putter! Your old putter. Hah. I've never wanted another.
I’ve played with weight and found that too much kills all feeling and to little kills all confidence .
I now live happily ever after with my 80’s Goldilocks mallet from callaway , I can easily adjust for pace once I know it .
Hi I got ping Pal and very proud of it... It the best putter for myself....
Bullseye! Not always online but mostly great speed
So I'm not the only one that changes putter base on the course.. on fast greens, I use a lighter putter, and on slow greens, I use a heavier putter. It could be psychological. But it works for me . Keep two putters in the trunk
You don't think swingweight is more important than overall weight? I believe it is. My partner doesn't like how light her putter is but it's actually quite heavy (573 gms overall), it just has a very light swing weight (C7).
So what you are really saying is we have to tell the wife we have to go buy a couple of more Scotty C putters because they put sand all over the geeens-explain that to them,or they shave the greens on a Tuesday,or it might rain today,or it’s a 110 degrees today so the the greens will be faster after 4:00,brilliant video he said sarcastically.
Good point...
55 years old? Did i hear that right? I have tried both heavy (scotty w 30gm weights) and light ( 10gm. ) most munis greens are on slow side so i use heavier weights. Playing better faster greens especially w more contours i go w 15gm. Having that option w putter is great.
"i'm picking up what ya putting down" (bad pun) i played a course with super quick greens (fastest i've played) with my TM spider (flatso grip) and i couldn't pick the speed 2far or 2short, it was so frustrating, wish i'd taken my Ping B60 and its so light, compared to the TM. or even a old bullseye style.
A lighter putter may help with faster greens but 50 years (and back) putters were probably lighter because the balls were smaller and lighter.
Lighter club implies a longer stroke. heavier club implies a shorter stroke. Due to physics (1/2M*v^2) the kinetic energy gains/losses are more effective with v than M. Which works great for long shots. Arguably a shorter stroke is more accurate (cp). More mass also affects MOI.
"You don't want an outlier." Putting is an outlier. It's different than every other stroke. There is no need for the weight to relate to the other clubs in the bag. If falls in the "whatever works" category.
I get the sentiment, but a putting stroke is so dissimilar to a full swing, that a difference between putter weight and iron weight is probably not that relevant, compared to how the putter feels.
Interesting. I feel the complete opposite to this. I find a heavy putter is easier for short fast putts. Heavy putter on slow greens with a long putt requires more effort to swing and control. I prefer lighter putter in the winter.
The majority of people say fast greens lighter putter. Years back i heard Tiger say the opposite. You want short strokes to be really stable therefore heavier.
I changed up and have never looked back.
Tiger may have said it, but it's not what he does. When he goes to play an Open, lead tape shows up on his putter to help manage the slower green speed.
@@EFGMC i suppose at the time he said that putters were lighter than today so his feel for heavier is (was) lighter than what is now "normal".
I would bet T leads up at the open for wind more than anything which emphasises the need for stability in the stroke.
If you consider Newton's second law of motion the mass has little effect on ball speed, I would suggest people reaction to the weight is their focus rather than their speed through the ball.
Anyhow... keep up the great channel. Love the content 🔥
But, I like a heavy putter as I lose it on the backswing, so heavy putter means shorter backswing.
Sure, you can think about the weight of your putter based on green speed, and your stroke. But what in the world does the weight of your irons have to do with the weight of your putter when it's not even close to the same type of swing. Weight progression through your set is not meant to include your putter.
I have a scotty cameron special select putter with 40grams on either side, if I put 30 grams in either side, would that be to much of a change on the overall balance of the putter.
Kind regards
Keith
20g would be a pretty big jump but I can't say if you would like it more or less than the current setup. Got to try it to know.
I had always wondered if Phil Mickelson especially would benefit from...2 separate putters.
I see plumbers neck in hand
I’m reading these are the most forgiven for most amateurs
Do you have a view on this stroke lab shaft, Odessey appears to be partnering with them. I am thinking they are counter balanced shafts, but not sure
They are but it's just a brass plug in the butt end that you can remove or switch into other shafts.
just subscribed to Elite Fit - see you there - too
have you considered the effect of face inserts on heavy/light putters?
Had that thought, where I heavy putter with something like a White Hot insert might even everything out.
What brand of grip is that white putter grip?
Lamkin. Unfortunately it's now discontinued. Might still be able to find them on some websites??
Does having milled face/insert help with faster green too?
Insert can, not so sure about milling.
So my course has fast greens and my putter is heavier than my wedges and it doesn't have removable weights, what are my options, buy a lighter putter?
Could be in need of a lighter putter. Could also try installing a lighter putter shaft.
Might also try choking down a half inch to 1 inch and see if that change does anything for your distance control.
@@EFGMC Understood. Are you able to recommend a lighter shaft, currently using steel.
@@rickcudmore8156 Will depend what kind of putter you are using and if it has a bend, or double bend. Bend shafts you won't have much in the way of options.
Very good vid however, does swingweight come into putters as well as total weight? because a 33" putter Vs a 35" putter simply has a shorter shaft with the same head and head weight, hence the swingweight of my 33" Odyssey #7 is ridiculously light and have added 20g to the head to make it D5 rather that C5 as standard.
Swing weight as a measurement was not made to measure putters. I don't ever use it because the the club is so upright in it's position that SW doesn't accurately describe what is going on. SW should really be used for matching irons and wedges, and then matching drivers and fairway woods.
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of course the weight of the putter matters, but having a putter with weight close to the weight of wedge, makes no sense as a comparison, because the speed of a wedge head is way higher that the speed of the putter's head...therefore, the weight of the putter should be adjusted only according to the individual golfer needs, without any direct comparison to the wedge weight