Jim Ross shoots on Paul Heyman being fired by the WWE
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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Firing Paul Heyman was most definitely not " best for business "
But it does explain why wwe is in the state it's in....
@@sese6227 now smackdown is the best thing going
The bottom line is that whatever airs on TV ultimately is Vince McMahon's decision. He is not the "genius" everyone makes him out to be. The difference between Vince back in the day and Vince today is that back in the day Vince was smart-enough to listen to his subordinates more and go with their ideas only tweaking them to keep things from going off the rails. Anytime Vince tried to come up with something on his own it was almost always ASS.
I would say Vince was pretty good during the expansion and Hogan era but once it got to the Attitude era and post WCW buyout, it was evident that a lot of his ideas were simply stolen from other people or just his subordinates pitching it to him like you said. Whatever it is, he’s clearly over the hill and has been for at least the past decade and is just living off his laurels at this point
Vince loaned Paulie money time after time after time. He only pulled the trigger on the buyout with ECW, supposedly, was to get control of the ECW library. In think in read that he had already loaned Paul something like half a million dollars and wanted that so bad he could taste it y⁷all.
back in the day according to Dustin Rhodes ,Vince was one of the boys. He would hang out, etc, but all that changed
out of millions of ideas over the years how can you know which ones were entirely vince's and which ones were suggested to him? and what makes you so sure that his current subordinates even have any successful ideas?
You worked there?
That burger looks fantastic...
I thought it was a steak
I thought was steak too lol pass the A1 sauce.
What's a1
@@conor-_C A1 sauce is condiment for meat.
RIGHT?!
Translation: he needs his own federation. Rightfully so.
And needs to be nowhere near the money.
@@AndreNDP Yup....2001 fans were more excited than ever for the product, but the finances were an absolute mess!
Him and Vince can't exist n a room
In fairness to Paul, when you're smarter than the people in charge and they won't heed advice it can often be like watching a slow motion train wreck and not being able to do anything about it.
That's in the regular workplace also
That's when it's time too walk away
@@CraigSmithII either way, if you stick around you'll be the one getting the pink slip.
Hell, I might start watching WWE again if Paul was a commentator. "Heel Cole" killed my enjoyment for WWE years ago, and it hasn't gotten better since then. At least Paul could be entertaining regardless of how shit the actual show is.
Or JBL he was good at commentary.
I’ve always thought that the friendship/mutual respect between JR and Paul E was super cool. Two true treasures of wrestling.
The funny thing is, Vince McMahon insists he can't stand 'Yes men', but anyone who actually stands up to him and disagrees tends to get fired. It's why WWE is the way it is today: Instead of giving the fans what they want, Vince gives them what he thinks they SHOULD want.
Heyman is the exact opposite of a "Yes Man'. He speaks his mind and doesn't give a shit who offends or upsets along the way. There was no way in hell they'd ever be able to work together.
Heyman was the next scapegoat his creative ideas were better than Vince & Bruce Prichard came up with
Nope.
Actually Raw has been even worse with Heyman.
Heyman tried to get young talent over Vince didnt want that he wants old timers on the show (Big Show/Ric Flair for example) so his yes man Bruce Prichard will give Vince the show he wants to see not what fans want
@Elias Garcia those legends are being used right in AEW as Manager's;Flair is taking a spot of a young talent with COVID-19 he's at such a risk,AEW test everyone WWE live in a world where the virus dosent exist 🤔🙄
@@scottprice24 Stop regurgitating everything you see on these wrestling blogs. Heyman has been on and off again with the WWE for years and Raw was going nowhere with him at the helm this go around.
Problem is to many Generals, old show owners, or territory guys, and not enough good soldiers. You got a lot of big personalities trying to work together during a stressful time when know one knows the right thing to do except me that is I know exactly what I’m doing!
That was paul getting over. He looks like a fighter for the boys but knows he doesn't have to actually do anything cause they won't bite on it and he looks like a hero. smart paul.
What drew me to ECW back in the mid 90s 1994-1997, was 1. It was fresh and different from both WWF and WCW, 2. There was a nice mix of talented wrestlers, performers and personalities like Raven, Jericho, RVD, Sabu, Taz, Public Enemy, Dudleys, Pitbulls, Al Snow, Mikey Whipwreck, Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, Shane Douglas, etc, etc. 3. There were some great storylines and rivalries. Dreamer vs Raven being #1. 4. Great commentator in Joey Styles, 5. Unlike wrestling back in the 80s and early 90s, ECW was not cartoonish. WWF attitude era was a complete ripoff of what ECW did because even they saw it was the way to go and it allowed WWF to beat WCW in the end.
ShadowAngel the whole “Dominic” angle was an ECW rip off. Same with Taker and the sacrifices. What’s worse is he blatantly took talent without at least giving him something back. Look at what happened with WCW. At least they would send someone back. With the roster Heyman built, he should have been able to rival the big two.
ShadowAngel so you’re saying that the “Dominic” angle wasn’t a direct result of the Sandman “Tyler” angle? The Taker angle was done BECAUSE of the heat that Raven got for being hung on a cross. These are specific story lines taken from ECW. If you think I’m wrong about the talent exchange, look at Foley. He was a champion when he was sent to Paul by Bischoff. You should probably watch the rise and fall of ECW. It’s all there.
ShadowAngel read the OP and figure it out since you have all the clues. You have no real point. You say that hardcore wrestling was stolen from FCW? You realize they’ve been going into the crowds and busting each other open since before FCW was ever thought of right? GTFO troll.
The only ECW event I ever saw was the last one because it was the only show on TV in my area. I was floored; where was this for the preceding years? Thank Heaven for YT.
ShadowAngel so jerry lawler was a joke? Man put asses in seats. Hell, every year someone from your beloved WWE gets named “King”. Again, you have no real point. Everything you’ve cried about I’ve refuted. Go back to your parents basement where you belong.
I remember Corny saying that Paul would rather climb up a tree and tell a lie, than stand on the ground and tell the truth. He is a great wrestling mind, though.
Heyman knew how to book the whole roster Vince doesn't
Give Vince ecw back then with their financial situation and see how he does
I liked the fact that Heyman wanted to use the younger talent---try to build them up (USA liked that idea too) and as soon as Vince fired him we started to see people like the Big Show, Ric Flair, ...a bunch of old legends :( All the wrestlers that Paul Heyman was working with....well, you just haven't seen them, have you? (ex: He was very high on Shayna Bazler---where's she?) Pretty soon Drew'll drop his title (he was a Heyman project) and Crews too. All Heyman's younger pushes are in the same boat as the NXT call-ups and that's too bad!
Paul Heyman is intelligent, quick, cunning, and charismatic. He could convince paint to peel off a wall if he talked to it long enough.
Paul Heyman is also slimy, manipulative, underhanded, and fires lies like a machine gun fires bullets. You can't trust anything he says or does.
of course if he talked to it long enough cause all the spit that be flying from his mouth would drain the paint
I always had the feeling even way back when that the McMahon's had some sort of vendetta against Paul Heyman. Maybe Vince is still butthurt over Heyman's epic 2001 shoot promo on him before the Survivor Series during that WWF vs Alliance storyline
that whole promo was vince's idea. so if he's still not over it, that's on him
I feel like it’s moreso that Vince and Stephanie can’t stand the idea of someone else being perceived as being better at booking than them. Plus Vince and Steph write for “sports entertainment” and the casual audience and their investors’ profits while Heyman has always been more focused on pleasing the more diehard fans IMO
If it wasn't for Heyman and the ECW style there would have been no Attitude Era or Monday Night Wars.
There is no way that burger isnt cooked yet
Laughed so hard at Jr being immature at 67 I almost knocked my action figures off the side
@thank you that's what I was going for...
read it right after he said it
I dont understand ngl
Heyman does what the crowd likes Vince doesn't..case closed
Not true. Paul is just as bad as Russo.
Justin Dumas I disagree paul heyman created edge,eddie guerrero,chris jericho,rey mysterio
@vincentrich - Banned But Not Forgotten ecw didn't have the money and business prowess to land big TV deals..and Vince wouldn't be as successful if he didn't get those few ecw wrestlers to bring more edgier product...try to talk to me again..
@vincentrich - Banned But Not Forgotten and plus Heyman pays attention to social media...Vince is no different than the old white rich guy who wants to continue to think what's best for TV...using ECW in 2020 is a horrible example and shows how oblivious you are to my thread.
No, you can watch 1994 NJPW Jericho vs Benoit. He was already the Jericho you knew later. Used profanity, the same taunts. All you can imagine later.
Watching JR's videos while hungry is not helping me.
Paul's problem along with Jim Cornette is that he was always better when he was in control vs playing his position.
Heyman is levels above Cornette and didnt deserved to be fired. Cornette was a hot mess and got fired from every promotion for a good reason.
Heyman was doing a lot of coke during mostly of the ECW era, no wonder why he was on fire at the time.
proof?
My uncle used to say, your mouth can get you into and out of as much trouble as you want it to
Damn I get stuck in the fog of what's going on. So Paul Heyman is off creative but is he going to stay as the advocate for Lesnar?
Heyman grows on the audience! I'd hate not to see him on the show.
Yea he will be a manager/escort/heat maker!
When you own the company then you can be an egomaniac. Maybe. But if you're not the boss you can't always get your way.
Heyman's passion and knowledge don't mean dick when he isn't RUNNING the SHOW. You'd think after 30-40 years in the same industry experiencing the same reactions from others "higher up" over and over he'd get it. In some ways, like Cornette but Cornette knew when to toss in the towel (e.g. Dixie Carter) My god a HEDGEHOG knew more about the wrestling business than Dixie Carter.
SWF - Sonic Wrestling Federation
Yeah Corny knows when to leave. Paul probably sticks around for certain guys he mentors. Only way I see why he does it. But then again there hasn't really been an alternative until now that he may be interested in
JR is such of fountain of information. I always respect him.
Paul is so passionate
Prichard will be gone in time. Why they even brought him back is still a mystery.
If they would just embrace Heyman's creative input instead of resisting it all the time it would result in a more interesting product.
Read jr's book and youd know what he thinks of paul heyman
I love the attention to detail in these chats, just like the attention to detail in that frying pattie.
I’m not sure if it’s the burger or JR, but something is making me drool. 😂
I love these cosy little chats as a burger sizzles in the background. Serve it up JR, I'm hungry.
Heyman knows how to book. Get him on AEW if WWE are too good for him
Paul is wayyyyy smarter than all of em. He’s very creative and could definitely help put wrestling back on the map.
Why was this posted 7 hours ago, if it’s the story of Heyman being fired from Smackdown, back in 2002-2003? Might be a good idea to try posting a new podcast, of his more recent firing from Raw in 2020, as opposed to recycling previous ones...
Maybe because Heyman got fired as executive director a week or 2 ago
After all these years Paul still has not learned it yet - the McMahon family (Vince, Linda, Shane, Stephanie and Hunter) runs and owns WWE and he does not . As The Rock would say, he needs to shut his mouth and know his role.
It's know your role and shut your mouth! Get it right Jabroni
Doesn't matter if you're better, more talented, a genius. All you need is money, or a name. The crowds are not here anymore to boo or cheer anyway. Sad times.
Holy shit there’s so many ads... can’t watch a 10 minute video without 3 30 second ads.
From what I heard, Smackdown was beating Raw in the ratings and Vince was not happy about it and fired Paul.
When Paul first showed up on the WWE program it was a bummer. He knuckled under for their product. I truly hope if he any gas left in the tank he gets going with a new promotion of his own.
Paul is his worse enemy
Its amazing how similar jim cornett and Paul Heyman are so alike both great managers talkers and have been fired from every promotion
they both enjoy exposing stooge's ignorance about the wrestling business.
You are so right it would be a match made in heaven to have these 2 greats go at it on the mike
0:28 It's "sanctimonious", JR! 😂
This even furthet my belief that Paul Heyman & Joey Styles should be exclusive producers for Impact Wrestling and minoity owners and at the same Anthem Sports & Billy Corgan should merge the NWA & Impact Wrestling (NWA-TNA Impact Wrestling). The merger would make it very convenient to have two totally diffrent television shows with one being NWA: TNA Impact Powerr and the other NWA:TNA Impact Xplosion.
It's prefect for both promotions.
They tried that once and it bombed with jeff being champ 123 times lol
@@mattalexander4953 thats cause jeff was the owner
Unfortuantly Corgan has said he'll never deal with Impact again
@@JMEAUS22 you think Billy Corgan would work with Court Bauer (MLW owner).
@@Mr.Majestic77 I believe he said he'll work with anyone except wwe & impact. So, if the right deal was worked out, im sure he would.
TRUE CREATIVE and LET THEM RUN WITH It. HEYMAN ON RAW,GIVE CORNETTE SMACKDOWN. PEOPLE WOULD BUY BACK IN TO WRESTLING. SEEMS SIMPLE TO ME, TWO OF THE BEST WRESTLING MINDS IN THE BUSINESS. AND SEE HOW THEY COULD TRANSFORM THE SHIT THEY ARE GIVING US AT THE MOMENT!!!!!!!🤩🎾🎾🎾🎾🎾
When Paul Ran SmackDown He Shitted On Raw
"She had the right last name. He didn't. They own the goddamn company. Figure it out. It's not a public trust." Jim Ross knows how important it is to be honest with the audience, even if it's something the audience doesn't want to hear. And he's right. The WWE is their personal property to do with as they please. Fans can criticize, but they have no right to expect change. If you put your money down on a pay-per-view and it turns out to be shit, you got no one to blame but yourself.
@8:51-9:07, he nails it.
Vince has no respect for anyone
Craig Weir really! WWE is in the shitter you imbecile
Craig Weir wwe is for mindless idiots like yourself
WWE will never have the loyal fan support that ECW had.
Paul Heyman is my spirit animal. It's like hearing former colleagues describe me at work 😂
i think paul and vince are a great duo for booking. I'd love to see a year booked by the 2 of them with no outside influences. although to make that 1 year run it would probably take 10 to agree
I could sure eat a burger right now
Many creatives are like that.
And they are great to have around. If you have a strong enough personality over them, that can say no.
They're very hard to manage, very stubborn, and at times childish.
If in charge, they'll create a beautiful thing, product, company. But it'll never last.
The day to day minutia will grind them down, if they don't ignore it all together.
When they ignore it, it usually destroys whatever was created in the first place.
I don't agree with everything Heyman says but he is 1000 times a better booker then Vince...Go look at Smackdown in 2002-03 and when he booked raw in 2019 it actually made sense and they actually cared about the youth for a while
Real question here folks, is that a burger, or a sausage patty cooking?
it don't matter slap some JR BBQ on that bitch and eat it!
Steak burger probably
@@madtricky687 is it good? I'm from Jersey never tried it bro
@@Dre973Andre me too my man and nah actually it's really not that bad at all!
A1 all the way! If you aren’t Using A1 or at least Heinz you ain’t eating it right! And I’m taking about the beef not the sausage that gets syrup on them with pancakes it’s good to!
Same thing with aew the fans are unbelievably loyal
Would never happen but I would love to see Heyman run smackdown and HHH run raw
When did they fire him
Feminism and PC culture has killed professional wrestling. This is why Paul Heyman didn't fit in
Paul E. Dangerously AND Brother Love WAS ON SMACKDOWN WRITING TEAM
Envy is a powerful destructive emotion smh.
Paul E is a creative genius. But he's not immune to believing his own hype
my top 3 wrestling companies ECW TNA WOW
I cannot believe That Grilling J.R only has 31,000 subs !!!!!!!!!
I know he needs more
@@carriebrooks2377
AGREED
Paul E should go to AEW!
How abt we simplify wrestling. U know instead of 150 writers for 2 damn shows, we could...I dont know have maybe a handful of guys that give wrestlers the direction they need to go and let them do the character work. Made for arguably the best wrestling to date when this was the norm
I agree but disagree. Im 32 and i enjoy the old days of wrestling. But the roster isn't the problem. Its the lack of wrestling. Instead of needles promos we need more time in the ring. And let the wrestlers wrestle. And no more forced promos. But its not the rosters fault. Well except most.
@@walterpeck5214 I never said it was the wrestlers fault I'm saying it's the executives who are at fault. I agree completely I'm saying let the wrestlers do their jobs instead of holding their hand the whole way. The only way to do that is cut the daytime drama/sitcom writers and go back to a select few finding direction and point the wrestlers in that way. Worked for decades not sure why they stopped
Paul Heyman is a much talented writer/ booker than Bruce Prichard. Vince dropped the ball removing him from creative
@Elias Garcia Hey is this you Bruce lol
Hey, at least he's back to help with Roman Reigns's new heel character.
Stephanie McMahon couldn’t book a flight let alone a wrestling promotion
I liked Paul Heyman running ECW in the mid to late 90's when it was the best wrestling organization in the world. But being Brock's manager he was not needed. Brock would have had the same success without him.
Sorry, but ECW was always just one step above backyard wrestling.
McMahon should of retired back in 2008 when Linda McMahon was running for the US Senate. That's the same time period the company went PG. McMahon never should of turned the company PG just because he wanted to change the image of the WWE to make it family friendly. That hurt the business big time not to mention the Benoit incident in 2007. Vince should of been forced out then or convinced to leave the company. Vince didn't know how to keep the ratings strong anymore and to top it off made things worse by changing the company from an edgier programming to watered down crap that this company to this day has not come back from and I don't think ever will...
I had to make a steak during this podcast..
I've learned that when dealing with purely narcissistic bosses, especially in a creative capacity, you will never get anywhere by offering up great ideas. Unfortunately, as frustrating as it is, you MUST lead the boss to the idea through carefully-crafted questions and "student/master" deferrals, so that the boss arrives at the idea himself, and can believe he thought of it himself. You have to swallow your pride and your right to say, "Hey, that was my idea! I get credit for that!" Because a Type-A Narc views every relationship and every discussion as a competition which must be "won", you will never leave an encounter feeling any other way than frustrated. For better or worse, collaborating with Narcissists must be a game in which you give your treasures away in order for them to be effective. Otherwise they will be shot down as soon as they are offered up. The Narc will view you as competing with him, and one-upping him, so the Narc will never let you get even a small victory. I learned this the hard way.
God damn every time I watch a jr video I want to go to a steakhouse and just eat all day fuck me im hungry
You guys desperately need to record video to go along with these. The looped video of steak is just annoying im not sure why
sounds like JR is doing his best to make sure paul heyman does not go to AEW
Heyman was a terrible commentator, atleast with JR. He seemed distracted. He wouldn't go back and forth much. He had a lot of silence and it was like he ignored JR half the time.
I agree w J.R. that Heyman is a freakin genius in so many ways! Dunno bout the bad points but going head to head w Vince or his"boys" is never a good idea. I still feel Paul got a raw deal w the"Raw" deal.
Heyman being fired is a scapegoat for wwe for saying he is reason why this sucks or that sucks when in reality vince , bruce and Michael BS Hayes are stuck in their ways , stuck in the past and think the same crap from decades ago work
I will never understand why people dislike a video. If u dont like it don't watch it.
Love j.r. his podcast are very informative, and entertaining. Thanks j.r.!
Well you wouldn't know if you like it or not, until AFTER you have watched it, right? And after having watched it, if you don't like it, you have the right to give it a thumbs down.
Nunzio was screwed
Am i the only one thats bothered by the fact that burger is burnt more then kane that sh!t makes roadkill look good....that being said paul was and is to smart for his own good
when wwe bought ecw they should have just let paul and those wrestlers operate like they always have except vince owns them. once they started adding in random wwe guys and like 4 guys from orignal ecw it was lame as hell.
J.R has alot to answer for but he never will.
I might be in the minority here but I just find heyman very annoying and that he detracts away from the show, when he’s on commentary or ringside I mean.
The invasion angle was a tough watch because he is just irritating shouting the same shit over and over again.
Then Jerry lawler came back and I remembered what a heel commentator should be.
Paul Heyman is what's best for business. I hope Paul ends up at TNA impact wrestling. Vincent Kennedy McMahon is jealous of Paul Heyman
Everyone gets fired
John Cena
Wait a minute ….. this isn’t a Cooking channel? Why am I craving Meat 🥩 right now !?
Paul will get another shot. He always does.
I mean, it was the Raw creative team for starters...
WWE couldn't properly run an ECW program.
Just I don’t know what they’re thinking, I don’t know why they’d do that. I mean it’s Paul Heyman lol Surely they can find something for Paul Heyman.
Not just Paul Heyman, but folks like Mike Chioda. Senior referee. Been with the company since 1989 lol Wtf. 30 frickin years, just does loyalty mean nothing. Does it mean nothing. Why get rid of Mike Chioda, wtf lol I don’t understand.
I think the WWE has fired everyone atleast 3 or 4 times 🤣
Now I am hungry lol
Mrrrrrrr.... sassafras