I appreciate and respect AP because he always does what he wants and what he likes. I love his sense of humor and the way he talks. Keep on rockin', AP!! ❤
Thank you for sharing this video, AP is a brave man, we don't choose where to be born my respect to all ex Muslims. You all need to be united, to help the new generations.
@@keksi6844 I'm not scared of hell. This life is very short to worry about what will happen after death. Stay safe and strong always helping others without expecting a reward, teaches kids to love and respect others so when they get old they will be good humans and let them choose whatever they want to be ❤️🙏
@@karlscher5170Actually, there is. During the middle ages, the catholic church mandated that brutal weaponry that were found to cause too much suffering were to be banned in war, demanded both parties (the bride and groom, not the families) in marriages be consenting, forbade incest, denounced enthrallment and slavery until it was removed, among other things. They also pioneered the concept of reformist prisons instead of jailing someone to hold them until you could execute or torture them. In medieval England (evidentially in an early middle ages lawbook iirc) (unlike reformist england that opened it up to germanic folklore), it was ordered that witches held no real magic and therefore anyone who did a witchhunt was a common murderer and should be tried before the court and/or the church.
David Wood is symbolic representation of First AntiChrist and Apostate Prophet is symbolic representation of Second AntiChrist also called False Prophet.
Yes he's an atheist he was born in germany now he lives in america but whatever he does he is a Turk he has got Turkish blood running through his veins and whatever he does or says that will never change and he can't change that whatever he does he's born with that 😁😁😁🤑🤑🤑 so live with that 😁😁😁
I think he is also doing it for the money. Criticising Christianity and other religions is going to push away a huge chunk of his following/viewership.
Literally every mainstream media outlet has criticized or dumped on Christianity at one point or another while criticizing Islam can you censored off social media like AP was. Sure a chunk of AP followers are Christians but there are Muslims, Hindus, Jews and atheists. The exact demographics? I do not know. But I do know criticizing Christianity is mainstream while criticizing Islam can make you lose money.
how about criticising the religion atheism and their belief? funny this guy here sound like islam: - do not take anone as frend who is not atheist or you are one of them - fight thouse who do not belief in atheism, until ... - do not citicice atheism or ask questions about atheism
It's funny how large a portion of AP's viewership are Christians. I feel like a lot of them think that him becoming a Christian himself is some kind of inevitability in his character arc. lol
I’m one of them and personally as a Christian sure it’d be great if he did convert but I’m sure I speak for many of his Christian viewers when I say we genuinely care and like his content cuz of the good work hes doing, we are not Islam that wants to bully someone into belief, that is a personal choice he gets to make, we are just here for him as a person 🫶🏽
AP and DWood are friends. They have great chemistry and the live chat is fun. Everyone is having a good time. Why all this disapproval? We all know that DWood is Christian and AP is atheist. So what?? It is really sad that anyone would try and turn a good thing that brings people together toxic and use it for clicks. So disappointed 😢
How is it a 'good thing'? Good for people who hate Muslims, sure. Good for zionists, okay. It brings both those people together, OK. You might see that as a positive... I would disagree.
There should be space and tolerance for all types of criticism styles. Apostate Prophet's style should be praised for its creativity, passion and courage. It may turn some Muslims off as it comes across as agressive and condensending, but to its credit, it is what makes it humorous and engaging.
@@SecularSpirit From all ex muslims channels I have seen, AP has the most charisma and common sense. And is brutal when calling out the pedophilic cult of islam as he should.
He is an ex Muslim and he is honest about him disliking religion BUT not viewing all religions as equally bad. Nothing wrong with that. Not all ex Muslims are the same. Move on.
maybe one day he will become christian and believe in bible ' earth a flat circle. does not move. sun orbits the earth. earth 6k yrs young ruling out evolution ' [ quran teaches the opposite] but if he took 6th grade science he will never become christian
Ayaan Hirsi has never been a Muslim, she claimed that. She was Christian, and used the name Ali to seek asylum to Holland. Then she was recruited by the Atheist groups to bash Islam. Now she's back to Christianity after the Christian group began paying her more. They're all in it for the money, nothing else. AP is a crypto-Jew from the Turkish Dönme sect. 😅
@@OmarBenjumea You have your taqiyya fried chicken, so even if you knew that was all BS you would still have said it. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, as long as it promotes Islam it's acceptable. Disgusting 'religion'.
Great video. Well edited, well spoken, rational, fair, and polite. I also have a general distaste for religion due to its blind faith. I've been watching APs livestreams with DW for some time and noticed a lot of things you mentioned. I really want to see AP pushback a little more to DW teasing in a light hearted manner. I like AP a lot, we share a lot of the same beliefs, and i relate to him on a personal level. I just hope he better situates himself with these christians.
Thank you so much for watching, I appreciate your comments and for you seeing my effort in trying to be fair. I found during my research, as you saw, that AP and I are quite likeminded when it comes to religion, but I think I'd give more pushback to the Christians I collaborate with if I was in his position.
In my view it's fine if ex-Muslims disagree about things (religion, politics, anything really), it just upsets me when it all becomes kind of spiteful. I really like AP and what he's done but I also like Aladdin, Secular Spirit, and many other ex-Muslims. This was a very nice, well-made and respectful video, imho this is how it should be done. Or to talk to the person directly.
Excellent points. I did not know that AP was/is platforming a Christian. Another atheist - Alex O'Connor - has built his channel on being the sympathetic atheist ear to Christian apologetics and his comments are swollen with Christians cheering him on. It is certainly a good business model though as an atheist I no longer watch Alex and I would probably not bother with AP.
Thank you so much! I know Alex O'Connor's content pretty well. I think for me it's totally okay to talk to Christians and platform them at times, but they need to be rigorously and honestly challenged on their beliefs.
@@Efn5Q8Vyxn It's not easy doing those kinds of conversations, speaking from experience, so I understand the pressure to be "nice" while also not letting people get away with saying irrational or bad things.
@@SecularSpirit True. Nathan has been censored by Peter Boghossian, a free speech warrior, for criticising him. I know a lot of the time people on the internet aren't going to be charitable or receptive to criticism and sometimes the politness act is something you have to do just to be able to have a conversation.
@@Efn5Q8Vyxn Exactly, it's a tough thing to compromise on. I know for example that Bill Nye knew his "debate" with Ken Ham would be done in bad faith but he agreed to do it anyway in the hopes of reaching Ham's followers with arguments they potentially never heard before.
He's not a secret Christian. There's no such thing. A tenant to being a Christian is to profess Jesus as Lord, not make jokes about it. Jesus being Lord is no joke.
As a Christian I find your depiction of Christianity to be very much a strawman. Have you considered the possibility that AP has a more accurate understanding of what Christianity actually teaches than you have, and that this leads to a much more positive view of its actual impact on both its followers and the world?
I've considered that possibility, and I think that AP understands Christianity well but either disregards or doesn't understand its negative impacts that I outlined.
@@SecularSpirit You would be dead in an islamic state for leaving Islam, but go off on Christianity where there has never been a death sentence for apostates. I suspect some of your negativity and jealousy towards Christianity is because of Evangelical Christian support for Israel and not Palestine.
@@mordakie3805 Last 400 centuries of a dominant Christian West and yet democracy, individual rights and liberties were championed by "power" hungry Christians.More than 95% of America's founding fathers were Christians and yet they never sought to create a theocratic state despite, having all the means at their disposal. Atheist lies.
A lot of the arguments are subjective, it really depends on the individual perspective. different persons would have whole separate set of reasons. A moral framework based on feelings and comfort or saying everything that exists just material is very subjective and easily changed.
10:50 you can see this in christianity as well, the call to martyrdom is in the writings of some early church fathers, and the early church had to try to stamp it out, recognising that it would hurt numbers if they had too many martyrs! And because that had happened hy the time the bible was compiled, it means there aren't really any martyrdom supporting documents in the christian bible. St Paul is the closest, and he basically just says don't bother getting married or having kids, just devote your life to your community and wait for god to overturn this aeon and bring about paradise. So, as you can see, it's easy for christians to ignore the call to martyrdom when they can already happily ignore the stuff that actually is in the bible.
Great points. The early Christians seemed to believe that the end times were fast-approaching, and you can see that kind of thinking with some Christians today. Fast-approaching...still waiting...
Jesus never called for jihad/martyrdom so what are you talking about? Jesus said to love your enemies, so how on earth did he call for jihad or martyrdom? Paul also never said don't get married and have kids ,he said it wasn't for everyone and especially himself, he had no intention of getting married because he wanted to serve God without marital distractions. He actually encourages marriage in another verse.pls stop lying or misrepresenting the bible. There is not one iota of Jesus's teaching that enables fighting and killing others for GOD.
Learning about agnosticism has helped me built a more flexible worldview while being consistent enough within the social knowledge. One tends to criticize harmful ideologies of the other side using a standard system for judging stuff, but can't be consistent enough to reflect their own points. It's one part of the mindset why absolutists happen to bring so much conflict and not to improve well-being.
I agree with you, but you can also be an atheist without being absolutist. Lack of belief in God is not a truth claim like belief in God is, and I think that distinction is important because it's only those who claim belief in God that have the burden of proof. Now, if an atheist claimed that "there is no God", which some call "hard atheism" then they also have the burden of proof.
Hello Secular Spirit. Despite making Islam-critical content I've stayed out of commenting on this whole (for lack of a better term) "civil war" between some ex-Muslims. That's partly because I'm not an ex-Muslim myself and partly because I thought it would have blown over my now. Since you mentioned the community post of AP I showed you concerning the Christians standing by his side when other groups are not, I'll throw in my two cents. Sorry for the length of the post. I had noticed the same thing you pointed out about the joking between DW and AP being almost completely one sided and at APs expense. I also agree that AP probably has been influenced to some degree in his behaviour by his continued Christian company. However I don't think it will have significantly changed what his output and general tone would have been. Like AP has said from his early days, he is not an anti-theist and he considers his former religion far more dangerous than any current manifestations of Christianity. Despite being an anti-theist myself and agreeing with you that other faiths share some of the same problems, I also agree with AP in terms of the relative dangers of each faith at this time in history. Therefore I choose to focus solely on Islam in my videos, although I use some criticisms that could be applied to other religions and I don't shy away from using them. I also regularly highlight I am coming from an atheist perspective so there is no confusion. Where I would disagree with your take in this video is that ex-Muslims are going to potentially become Christian because of DW's regular appearances on APs channel and therefore hold on to some of the same harmful beliefs. This seems unlikely to me. APs Christian following is likely to come almost exclusively from people already following DW. Despite APs fondness for Christianity he doesn't promote it as being true and from what I've seen of his and DW's work, he doesn't allow DW to do preaching on his channel. Therefore if ex-Muslims watch AP's work and end up converting to Christianity there are likely issues about them not wanting to give up the idea of a god that already exist and that is the responsibility of those individuals to work out. At the end of the day I don't think it's APs responsibility to bring people to atheism if he doesn't see other religions as being a significant problem. Anyways, I appreciate your video. I think it was more constructive than Apostate Aladdin's approach and I understand that ex-Muslims of all kinds are going to have different views - I also don't think there is necessarily a right or wrong answer in all this. As someone who has a great fondness and admiration for ex-Muslims in general, I hope you all can move forward from this situation soon. You are all extremely valuable in speaking about your former religion and you all have my support.
I am a big fan of yours. I am an exmuslim athiest. I like when western athiests focus more Islam rather than just solely focusing on Christianity. I have been watching AP and DW for more than an year. I have never got tempted to become a Christian. I certainly researched about Christianity but it doesn't make sense at all for me.
As a pro Palestine Ex-Muslim Atheist who still loves his muslim family, I really appreciate videos like this and Apostate Aladdin’s video. The way I see it is Christianity is just as problematic as Islam and has caused just as many if not more atrocities over the course of history and so exclusively criticising Islam and not Christianity just leads to further discrimination of muslims across the world
@@harisfareed4599 I think religion has embedded itself in it, but people must remember that the core issue here is that Zionism is and was and always has been a colonizing project.
the conclusion I've come to as an ex muslim when I see any ex muslim trying to have a considerate view that isn't overbearing and antagonistic being accused of being a "secret muslim" is because Islam itself is so full of arrogance and violence that when some leave it they still have those attitudes but just turn them against islam. Others of us left because of those attitudes (in part) and have empathy for muslims still under indoctrination and know an antagonistic approach won't reach as many heart as an empathetic one- just my opinion
The reason I find AP’s associations with David Wood so shortsighted is because it comes at a time when conservative Christians are openly trying to establish a theocracy in the US, the country he just recently became a citizen of. To think, he left “Islamic” Turkey for this?
@@Mojojojo85757 Criminalizing abortion by supporting the overturning of Roe v. Wade (House Republicans support a national abortion ban in the first 15 weeks), trying to put Biblical text on government property (including public schools, which they’ve been trying to do for years), trying to teach intelligent design in schools (which they lost with Kitzmiller v. Dover but are still trying to do whatever they can to promote the teaching of creationism and intelligent design), successfully working to divert taxpayer funding from public schools into religious schools (Carson v. Makin) thereby minimizing the separation of church and state, 7 states have bans on atheists serving in office (fortunately they’re effectively null due to the Supreme Court ruling of Torcaso v. Watkins, but there’s still no pressure to take them off the books). Also, as Secular Spirit brings up, supporting Israel to fulfill their deranged “End Times” conspiracy. A not insignificant amount of Christian conservatives will openly say and believe that the Bible or the “word of God” is more important than the US Constitution itself, or at the very least, that the Bible should influence the law of the land. Heck, they successfully managed to put “In God We Trust” on the money and “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance during the 1950s, which might not seem like much, but it shows the level of sway Christians have in shaping the country. I’m sure there’s a whole lot more I’m overlooking or forgetting. Rest assured, Apostate Prophet has no interest in and will never bring these political topics up for discussion.
This! At the moment those Christians are a far greater threat to the US than Islam. Just because there are no swords involved, it doesn't mean other, more less obvious tools are used.
@@Mojojojo85757are you not following what is taking place there, it’s crazy. The right wing fanatics are trying to bring Christianity back into politics
By your position, anyone who makes a positive contribution in an important area should be immune from criticism - which I completely disagree with. He can do positive things but also make mistakes that are worth pointing out, which I think will help him do better.
1) Teaching fear: There are a lot of things in life that have fear attached to it. Fear is not necessarily a bad thing, to attempt to remove fear from human life is to build a someone what dysfunctional human being.
Right? I thought that too! Religions aren't all equal, but hey, two things can be harmful even if one is worse! But I understand if you don't see Christianity that way. Appreciate you watching as always!
I am not an atheist or a religious person myself. Due to psychic and spiritual experiences I've had, I fit in the "spiritual, but not religious" category. I still enjoy picking the minds of the religious, the agnostic and the atheists. The differing points of view on spirituality are fascinating to me. I was born in a Catholic family, but decided as a teenager it did not align with my modern values (due to sexism and homophobia.) I saw value in developing my own moral compass and I can only imagine a divine presence which would appreciate the genuine effort. I think everyone has to follow the path they think is best for them. What I appreciate about AP is that in the end he seems to be true to himself. He's conveying his own stance on things and his point of view can change and evolve. I want him to keep being himself. I want him to keep on being as authentic and honest as he can be (even if it can occasionaly ruffle feathers.) He has strong opinions and they don't always align with other people's priorities. It's fine if he doesn't feel the need to criticize other people's religions as much as the one he was born into. I do feel like he's very disapointed with the moral failings of Islam. It's more personal, since it's the one he grew up with.
Sorry but watching David Wood and AP talk to each other, I felt uncomfortable how dominant David is in these conversations, like asserting some sort of authority and AP giving into it.
That’s just their personalities, ap is more soft spoken and chill, while David is abit more intense, that’s why they make a neat combo, they bounce of each others different styles ☝🏽
Ap says he respects christianity for the teachings of love for others in it which is true, main focus of christianity is helping the poor the main focus of Islam is jihad
@@dilonkumar4960 first command love God your lord second love your naighbour that summerize all the laws and prophets grow up ,besides this is not about what i have read it is about what AP says about christianity can you even read my comment?!
Thank you, thank you. I think it's important to note that even though I criticize AP, I see the value of what he's done and I agree with him on why we don't follow religion quite a bit actually.
@@SecularSpirit I was about to say I wonder how AP will react to this, but I've just seen his reply here. I hope he is true to his desire to discuss this with you further.
Great Video, however to me, you seem like to suggest that ex-muslim should hang out with Christian, even when they are themselves ex-muslim (ex. Nabeel qureshi). I do not like this antagonization as much of history is about the respect of perspective. Counter-Apologist youtubers tend to fail to grasp at the objection to Theism and especially Christianity. In split of having "similar" faults, Christianity fundamentally have a different worldviews of virtues rather than the legalistic worldview of Islam. However, it also has faults and much of this can come from many of the new atheist narratives about religion and theism. My Critiques: Your overthinking about the sense of fear. Overthink is not the same as critical thinking, if anything, it hinders your critical thinking to make independent decision on whether or not this claims can be verified. As someone with tend to very indecisive in life, I often make very unproductive and distracts me from the main work and hinders my critical thinking excessively. Fear in Judaism and in Christianity is very different than in Islam. Fear in the biblical sense is defined in Hebrew as יִרְאַ֥ת (yir-’aṯ). In the context of Psalm 111, the word fear is often used as a form of gratitude and admiration for the Lord. Admiration mean a form of respect and love for god and he would grant you gift of the holy spirit (based on Isaiah 11:1-2). Showing admiration for a man isn't always the best way to communicate with god. Sometimes, the man who you meet can become very oppressive towards others. The God of the old testament is comparable to Zeus in the sense that the most powerful form of god is to bring justice to this world. Fear of hell in some ways in similar to the fear of man, by which when you fear it, you also admire and kneel to the sense of moral decay. From the Christian perspective, most people parish in hell and they end their lives of their soul from then (gone, nada) on but those who believe in Jesus shall have everlasting life with him (John 3:16). Also as someone who tend to love history and majoring in History in college, your view of history are very distorted. You have no idea about any of the ecumenical councils, at which a required serious form of critical thinking as it would lead to the disunification of the Church. Often times, they are meet to be theological compromises against heresy. Many of the early Christians were severely persecution with the worst being Emperor Diocletian with his "Great Persecution." Emperor Nero blamed Christians for the Fire in Rome and began the process of mass persecution. The Christians did not partake in the Roman-Jewish Wars and Christians didn't consider the Romans nor the Jews as allies. The Christians likely didn't have any "agendas" as most of the disciples ended up being killed in brutal ways not through wars but through persecution. In some sense, Christianity encourages a form of critical thinking that differs very greatly from yours. As for Morality, Christianity revolutionized morality. Christianity fundamentally change the ways at which we viewed the world. From on of social conservatism to that of a dualistic fight against evil spirits and the devil (sin). Constantine was a revolutionary figure who change all of Rome for the better, he allowed Bishops to be represented in Government and halted persecution of Christians in the empire. He also introduce the reconstruction of buildings and introduce the war against heresies and councils such as the Ecumenical Council of Nicea. At which make the Trinity the official position of the Church. It allowed for women's voices to be heard in the empire's affairs during the times of the Byzantine Empire such as empress Galla Placidia (A female emperor) and Pulcheria. Women became much more important in the empires history than any other times in Rome. Early converts to Christianity were mostly women and were viewed equally in government as in Christ (Galatian 3:28). Slavery decline significantly in the Roman Empire during the first 6 centuries, from 35% in 1st Century CE to 15% by the 5-6th Century CE (Byzantine Empire). The same verse from Ephesians 6:5 can be addressed in Ephesians 6:9 (4 verses later) explicitly abolished chattel Slavery at which chattel slavery was inherently about profit, mistreatment, and keeping slaves as property. In spite of this, this was mostly ignored by the Church for a few centuries but wasn't consider as divinely inspired but rather as sin according to Augustine of Hippo (we are all sinners after all but the book remains the same). My conclusion is that you indulge in new atheist propaganda and to me, it is very ineffective. It nothing but fear mongering against religious people and is a slippery slope of the outcomes, and over reaction. Christianity (specifically the Christian left) shares responsibilities for anti-war protest, Womens' right, abolition of slavery (riots mostly started by BLACK priest), reform amongst Native Americans, and the huge rise of literacy rate the United States. I am from Texas and thank to religious leader in the North during reconstruction, Texas had become a much more educated state than it would have otherwise done so.
this video is needed, just because im an exmuslim that does not mean im going to ally myself with the enemy of my enemy, both islam and christianity suck, all religions suck smh
Atheist are like some who was married with a woman or a man who he love so much, did everything for her l/him But that person was cheating on him behind his back with his own best friend,, one day he discovered that cheating liar imposter then decided to let him and divorce violently, the partner try to to stop them with apostate law a d threat... Now this new atheist, cheated partner have decided that that all women are cheaters, all men are cheaters... All the religion are the same they concluded never to be cheated or caught against.. They start preaching every one that women are evil All men and Satan All religion are the same.. basically Yes they look the same but one one is little different...
@@SecularSpirit That's a lie. slave and servant are sometimes used interchangeably in the bible.There are guidelines in the old testament for how slaves/servants were to be treated. I suggest you learn more and stop misrepresenting the biblical view or outrightly lying.
Great work. I wish you would make a video (or series of videos) clarifying why AP's stance on Israel/Palestine is so horrible and wrong factually and morally. Its important that an ex Muslim creator speaks up about this and you have the knowledge to do so.
Thank you so much! If you go to Apostate Aladdin's video (which I linked in the video description) I do talk about it at length regarding how AP's stance on Israel/Palestine is misguided. I find the subject emotionally draining, so I am not sure if I have it in me to do another video about it to be honest.
@@SecularSpirit Even though that video is good I believe more need to be made given that AP is basically waging a propoganda war since 6 months with weekly videos about the subject. It would be nice if someone was to explain the history and show that AP is flat out wrong and I think you are the best equipped person for that. I hope you can consider it.
@@SyrianApostate Thanks, I am definitely considering it and I've been researching the history for the last couple months anyways, so maybe I should put it to good use.
How to make 44 minutes 2 seconds anti-Christian video 1. Presuppose that Christianity is false. 2. Turn on your camera 3. Sit in front of it 44 minutes 2 seconds
yeah, what an odd ball thing what is this the odd couple sit com ? it doesn't make sense that those 2 dudes would team up, but it does make cents if you know what I mean. just my opinion..
Is Christianity dangerous? Yes, absolutely, and you're right in pointing this out. I'm saying this as a Christian myself. Because the Christian faith is a very powerful thing that has shaped human history more than any other single factor. And the more powerful something is, the more dangerous does it become, whenever it gets distorted, abused or simply used carelessly. As a comparison, think of sexuality and the power it has in both a positive and a negative sense, depending on how it's used. I would even go as far as to say that the rise of a religion as dangerous as Islam would hardly be imaginable without there being the Christian faith in the first place. So I wouldn't blame you of strawmanning Christianity. Those harmful versions of Christianity you describe are really there. But they are definitely not the whole story. And by that; I don't just mean that there are much better versions, too, but that any harmful version is a direct consequence of missing out on the whole story, of picking some elements of the Christian faith and distorting them to make up a belief system that isn't the fruit of the spirit of Christ. The spirit of Christ is all about love, joy, peace, courage, freedom, truthfulness, self-discipline, growing, nonviolence, compassion, humility, service and engendering new life. It is the exact opposite of hatred, misery, enmity, fear, bondage, lying, licentiousness, decay, violence, recklessness, arrogance, abuse and death culture. So we know what the standard is. And this (hopefully!) enables us as Christians to be critical of our own faith and to welcome critique from the outside whenever we miss that standard. Take fear: It is used everywhere in human society in a direct or subtle way to threaten and manipulate others. And yes, you find that kind of manipulation within Christianity, too, and it gets much worse there as it tends to be connected to things of eternal importance. Sure, there are ways of dealing with irrational fears by using rational thinking, and I'm very grateful for everything that is achieved by that means. But there is only one real solution to the problem of fear, which is called love, unconditional love. As Christians, we believe in a God who is pure Love and in whose presence every fear withers away. This is a real experience, and it is at the core of our faith. And nothing in this faith makes us blind for reality or contemptuous of reason and bodily life. Rather, these precious goods can be valued even more as they are seen as gifts with a purpose and signs of God's love for us humans. So once again yes, any element within Christianity can be misconstrued and abused in the most dangerous ways, but viewed in relationship to a God who has shown his endless, unconditional love for us in the man Jesus Christ, everything starts to make sense and to be a most powerful tool for enhancing human life in every aspect. What about Islam? Concerning that religion, you are more experienced than I am, so please draw your own conclusions.
What has really fascinated me as I learn more about Christianity is how similarly it is presented and taught compared to Islam. That everything negative or harmful done in the name of Islam or interpreted in the Quran is a distortion from the truth of love and peace of Islam, I heard many of the same things you shared in your comment while I was Muslim. This is a big ask, but perhaps you'd want to engage me on some of these issues on my channel? I've had Christians on before and it went very well. If you copy and paste this url, you'll find one of those instances: ua-cam.com/video/K5uFsar_iQc/v-deo.html
@@SecularSpirit Thank you for your kind reply. I think it is quite naturally true that any adherent of a religion wants to present their own religion in as good a light as possible. The real question is whether those claims can be verified in reality. As for Christianity, I think there can be made a good case that love is really the ultimate key of interpretation of its whole message. I have doubts whether the same can be said about Islam, because of several reasons where Islam differs considerably from Christianity. One main point is that the God of Islam, as I perceive it, doesn't love unconditionally, but rather as a response to submission to his will. Another point would be that spreading Islam and being loyal to the Muslim community is ranked a higher value than truthfulness. In Christianity however, seeking the truth and following your conscience is valued more than being faithful to your church; we believe that anyone who sincerely seeks the truth will ultimately find God, even if this means being in temporary conflict with established creeds. I'm going to consider your proposal; I must admit though that I've never had such a conversation live before, I usually prefer debating such things in written form, but yeah, you got me on the point of courage...
@@SecularSpirit I've just finished watching the linked conversation with Tom and enjoyed it very much. Thanks! I really appreciate the atmosphere of your conversation and was even able to relate to several of Tom's experiences myself. Very interesting indeed.
@@johannesdorr9590 Glad you could watch! Tom was really eloquent in expressing his perspective in my opinion. If you'd ever be interested in doing something similar with me on my channel, a conversation, just let me know. You can email me at thesecularspirit@gmail.com
Christian God: OK. Hell is only for murders and now only for 1 minute. Secular Spirit: How dare you. That still promotes fear. Christian God: Ok. No hell for the worst of sinners. But they won't have my blessing. Secular Spirit: That's dangling a carrot. That's also fear of missing out on God's blessings. How dare you! They want God to treat sin and righteousness alike. But a God who is indifferent to sin is no God.
And what is harmful about the religion that built all western civilization ? And that part you said david wood dismised AP, he was being sarcatic mocking his atheism, how about you debate AP on israrl & hamas/Palestinian war ?
'Slaves, obey your masters - even the harsh ones'. That's the New Testament. I probably didn't get the wording exactly right but it's from 1 Peter I believe. Then there's the Levitical laws in the Old Testament that outline who it is permitted to enslave. So you're just wrong. Christianity does condone slavery. You brought up the fact that 'Christian countries' forced Muslim countries to stop the slave trade - but 'Christian countries' also forced other *Christian countries* to stop the slave trade. You are cherry picking information. The Bible explicitly condones slavery.
@@bengreen171 and how is it in real life? Can you name one christian apologist, priest, scholar, a "christian haqiqaju" who supports slavery in 2024, on the basis of these verses? Side note: Catholics who make up about 50% of Christianity don't read the Old testament.
@@bengreen171What was the designation of Israelites in Egypt? Why did God care to deliver Them? God never wants slaves to remain slaves. By the way God often punishes proud masters and turn them to slaves.
@@johnmario3795 none of that changes the fact that the Bible condones slavery. There is no passage in the Bible that explicitly or implicitly shows God doesn't want people to be slaves. The fact that there are laws and regulations that govern slavery - and yet not a single verse that says slavery is wrong - proves this.
I think that AP and Dizzle are a good tandem even due to their differences. So this pact is legitimate and kosher. I've also noticed that their relation is a bit sugary. In my opinion Christianity is pretty much harmless today, while Islam is lively and spreading with aspirations to dominate.
@@jonathanrotem251 Do you know the tactics of: I target you through your close friends! I use those around you as shield to reach, you! Indirect way of telling you! “ you are my real problem “ yu- Jesus- satan! This is the message of secular spirit and alladin! Using ap to reach wood from wood, they reach the real target the one above wood! Christ! I have arrive at it! They take a breath!
@@jonathanrotem251 absolutely they don’t need AP but they use Ap to reach the perfect target 🎯 Christ Have you ever have someone who hates you but he doesn’t come to you directly but he will use those around you As a bridge to are hit you hard and run back for hide? This is what secular and Aladdin are doing .. target is the one above Dwood head Who is he?
LOVE the video. I feel like I am now comfortable to just exist within the muslim community now, not have issues or resentment anymore. I healed myself, but I know it takes time and during that healing process, the hatred towards Islam is still there. I won't speak for AP, but I wonder why he still makes videos of Islam; sometimes it's better to just let go of our past. I full on converted to Buddhism to find more peace, but I believe at sometime we all gotta let Islam go. I don't believe within our lifetimes that the Islamist perspective of Islam will go away, so might as well to speak up about the dangers, but also find fulfillment somewhere else.
Someone have to Do the work! Continue.. If you let the weed in the garden after you are satisfied it will grow against if some don’t stay obstinate about it after many years left! I am Myself I’m an ex Muslim ex. I have no intention to go back to Islam but Someone have to continue working . If you don’t attend the garden, weed will grow fearlessly,, If doctors go home after one patient is heal, all hospitals will be closed… This is how cancer is if you remove one cell, part many will come if we don’t keep of killing it.. Islam doesn’t sleep while will X Muslim sleep Islam doesn’t sleep well will Christian sleep Islam is an ambition Fall asleep 😴 in the morning you will be surprised how much it have destroyed,,,
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi One can call out Islam but also, at the same time, heal from the trauma it has given people is what I am saying. Just call it out when need be and at the same time make happiness for oneself. Just not be filled with hatred while talking about Islam, don't let it control one's heart.
@@OutoftheEchoChamber My big sister left Islam around after 911. I hated her I was angry you know, but she was determined,everybody was against her including me, but It was difficult for her, but she have to move , she became Christianity it made us hate her worse when she left what she did is, she bought The dogs and then she moved from the house and then she bought cross she put out the door in her side house , and in her neck as a statement to repulse us.. you know why she did this ? to keep everyone out of her life. I never saw such a big cross I someone neck..:😀😀 This is how she were able to handle it and keep us outside he life.. This is what I did too after when I left! I am 44 years old When I left I did he same thing.. I brought bible 4 bible crosses and puppies then I removed my niqab die my hair burgundy to nagging them,,,, Muslim family will excuse you if you are atheist they still have hope that you're gonna come back .. I was reading all kinds of book Buddha Indu All these books and philosophies Everything was fine. They still have hope then I will come back As soon as I bought the Bible this is where hell get loose now i understand why ...., Christ teaching are good for me,,,,
@@jhggcfdr3467 Each individual is different. Each individual heal differently. Each individual have his method of healing. If you can do half cup, and be satisfied some people, one full cup , someone need and over cup poring in the floor, some Anuk, satisfied World Cup some need bottle some ocean to heal you have to understand... I doctor close hospital after healing one person then they are not helping people! The hospital have to be remain always open because there are more patient who are going to come in emergency every people wake up in his own time individually their time not everybody wake up at the same time so Ap have to still be there as kings of nurse in service And he doesn't have to change his style. He have to even modify it to go in different level. Using the same subject about Islam., Why did you agree with a posted Aladdin is that he want him to be in one star he wanted to stop. He doesn't want him to continue. That is not right nurse. He start doing nursing. You have to continue nursing. You have to go to different level level, improve himself in all way But what Aladdin want him to do is to stop like, you know now that you're out now leave them alone don't continue working as a nurse this way,don't associate with a certain therapist like dwood No, that's why I left there atheist groups because I found out dear more dictator you know you know they want you to think a certain way if you start trying to even think about Lexi I'm gonna do a battle or something. Oh no they try to control and then I said fuck I going to be by myself now I'm happy. Atheist want people to be and remain athéist me I don't like it there are people who like to believe ,their Are people who like to worship , their are people who like to have their idea that there is a God so in that circle of atheist, at one point it became toxic I and following in Christ teachings now......
@@jhggcfdr3467 you can’t tell people how to drink And the quantity they can drink! Some people like to drink in the bottle some people like to drink in the spoon some people like to drink in the cup some people like to drink in a cup full some people like to drink in a cup half some people just like to hold a cup empty And some people like to drink directly from this fountain so you cannot tell people what to say how to do it and when to do it, AP can do it in his style. If he doesn’t feel that one bottle is enough for him he can take 23 if you don’t like the brand he can change.
16:26 “Jesus coming back to life even if true doesn’t mean he’s God” soooooo what is he then? A guy with a cool skill of coming back to life ? the heck kinda logic is that, If God doesn’t exist how did Jesus pop back into life ?
It could be some powerful entity we aren't aware of, or a force we don't understand, and it doesn't happen to be the creator of the universe but something else. Who knows. Crediting the deity that created the universe is a claim that has to be proven, and that's if Jesus actually did resurrect, which is a big if.
@@SecularSpirit ok but I’m saying that you’re simply creating your very own god, you’re saying it coooould be this other creator or other force, that’s you creating your own god or idea to give credit too
@@blottedcenter4348 Nope, it wouldn't have to be a god/creator of the universe - just a powerful entity or something natural about the world that we don't understand. The point is that Christians are leaping to conclusions, not that I think this other thing actually exists. Christians can't rule out this other hypothetical thing when they make this leap.
@SecularSpirit the point is you're taking out the Christian God and simply substituting something else meaning you're doing the exactly same thing you claim Christians are doing by making up your own god, this is exactly what the islam prophet did, he took the God of Christianity and judism and made his own version, and twisted it to fit his sick life style, of course I'm not saying you're doing that I'm just saying that's the similar mind set, we Christians base are beliefs off of lots of things, we don't just believe blindly, at least I don't I can't speak for everyone, all I'm saying is don't let islams horrid example make push you from trying to understand Christians or other world views 🫱🏽🫲🏾
@@blottedcenter4348 You're missing the point: it's not about gods. It's about how did we rule out all other possibilities besides the God of Christianity.
Wait, Christ or Christianity is harmful? I think your focus in this video couldn't be more incorrect my friend. If a God exists, we should a expect rules & regulations for right order. What do we expect?
In the start I thought you are gonna make good points but I am to say at least disappointed as my Christian prospective. 1 Fear of God yes you can make case for some people really facing punishment, but everyone who understands Christianity will know Jesus will open he's heart for them. 2 Please don't bring slavery because the Bible says even if the person is slave you shouldn't treat him as object, but still the bible didn't says to take slaves, even one of he's biggest miracle is freeing the Israelis from slavery and the Bible is also used to stop slavery and the first countries which stops slavery are Christian countries. Meanwhile Quran doesn't stop you of taking slaves from other faith, including sex slaves. 3 Christianity doesn't stop you from searching for the truth, I personally was amazed how the old testament is used from archeologist to research Israel and it's really successful and there are more things than lead me to believing in Christianity, while Islam doesn't really even seem connected to Abrahamic religion. 4 LGBTQ is not right thing in Christianity, that's our value but you don't need to be Christian to support it, many my atheist friends dislike LGBTQ and are against abortion also, because I don't need the Bible to see this killing life inside you. But still you are completely safe in Christian countries to be gay or lesbian, is it the same about the Islam? 5 Ooh yeah the poor children who are teach to love each other, to do good, to pray even for people who hates them, it's just so harsh 😭😭😭
You are 100% right. The decline of Christianity leads inevitably to the rise of Islam. Even Richard Dawkins realized this in one of his recent interviews
I don't like to mislead people if anyone wants to learn about Jesus Christ teaches read the Bible New testament. If anyone wants to learn about Islam read the Quran and hadith so you can make your own decision. The most important thing is to have love if we have love we will always care for others without expecting any reward. It is very important to treat others the way we want to be treated. I don't know what will happen after I die. I enjoy every day of my Life.
The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach no one else, JOHN 14:6! Muhammad didn't know where he was going after death when his followers asked him. He didn't know where know where his followers were going. But, Yeshua knew exactly where He was going! This is the problem that Muslims has bc they think they'll go to heaven through works and good deads! I hope you embrace Yeshua one day Ruby😊! 🙏🙏🙏💜
@@maxinedeleon4357 thank you for sharing. I'm Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior and I followed his teaching. I was blessed because I was born in a Christian country, I read the Bible since my childhood not one forced me, I always advise people to read it. Jesus loves us and wants us to love one another ❤️🙏
@@rubyesmeralda1333Thank you for your post! I didn't know whether you were a Christian or not! Yes, we should definitely love one another for sure, however, Islam teaches people to hate. When people leave some end up with PTSD. Islam isn't of God. Most Muslims haven't got hate in their heart. My close friend is a Muslim and I worry for her and her family. But, its needs to come from her. She does ask questions sometimes. I would love us to have a heart to heart conversation about it, but she isn't there yet. I pray everyone finds the light in Jesus then eventually they can go home to the Father when they close their eyes for good! Thankfully, there are huge amount of people leaving the religion as their eyes are being opened! One ex-Muslim said read the Qur'an up to 3 times. When most people read the Qur'an and Hadiths they leave especially finding out about Aisha etc! Wonderful things are happening and I'm so happy because those who've left has their freedom and can be with the Father for eternity! May you and your family have many blessings in Jesus Name🙂! 🙏💜
@@maxinedeleon4357 share with your friend videos son of hamas the green prince he also has a Netflix movie. In Muslims countries people don't have freedom of religion they can't have a Bible. I think that what hamas did in Israel in October opened the eyes of the world and now the whole world knows what Islam teaches the Quran and hadith. Innocent people that were misled they are leaving Islam.
David did his homework on Islam? 😂 bud he got humiliated by Sheikh Uthman on multiple occasions so much so he even told him that "bible isn't his position".
Without religion humanity would not have evolved. Religion is useful because it teaches values and helps us to work with strangers. You can be an atheist and still agree with parts of any religion. For example, I think Jesus was the best example of what a human should try to be. Best role model. I can be a supporter of Jesus while still maintaining my firm belief that there is no god and Jesus wasn't a god. Consider looking up "Imagined Reality."
I would say they have an understandable basis in that issue, as morality matters. Personally I find politics incredbily complex, where the other side could interpret the problem in a way that makes complete sense. I could use military experts analyzation of casualties and the IDF using technology telling Gazans about evacuation, to claim that Israel is the most moral and efficient army in urban warfare. Only a change in mindset, that should have started early in education, could provide a long-term solution. Gazans are victims of their indoctrinated worldview in a sense, where Israel took the opportunity to play the game where they want it to be
I thought it's gonna be a fun vid, so you got my click there, but after less than 3 minutes I realized that this an antisemitic Muslim apologetic video disguised as an atheist poking on AP, so you got my dislike there. Happy?
This is one long diatribe where you presuppose the anti-Christian position. You have just shown that you disagree. Ok, we know that. But you haven't shown why your position is any truer than the Christian position. There are atheists who oppose abortion. And support Israel. And disagree with LGBTQ ideas. Just because you don't believe in Christianity does not make your position valid.
You have a misunderstanding about Christianity, most Christians don’t believe out of fear but because they have encountered God’s love, as the Bible says: O taste and see that the Lord is good… (Psalm 34:8)Some may come out of fear but they don’t stay out of fear, they stay because they discover a loving father. Christianity is not like Islam with its rules, regulations and expectations. Yes our behaviours change when we become Christians, but it is not because we have to, rather, it is as we spend time talking with God and reading the Bible (not repeating the same prayers over and over) He changes us from within; sometimes we don’t even realise it’s happening. For instance, after reading a biography I struggled with God for months, I did not want to give my life to him. I had no Christian influence in my life so I had no idea what would happen when I did, I thought I might even die (but I didn’t 😁). It was the best thing I ever did. God “grew me” himself for a year, at that point I didn’t even know I was a Christian until I met other Christians and discovered that’s what I was. I can understand that anyone coming out of Islam might be very wary of submitting to another god but Jesus is nothing like Allah and I pray that both you and AP discover that.
But David Wood testimony of his life changed is his evidence I'm Shure he has seen God's power in his life and we know we can't force Jesus on no one he Wil save us he will show us all his mercy
He doesn't even understand Christianity and mostly spread heresy just to prove a point.. He spread anti Islam even if he steps on Christianity teachings
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. It seems you are a bit jealous of AP This is all very childish and unprofessional. I think I like AP better .
Most of the great things of the West be it the systems of values, the art and architecture, the music -even the scientific method itself stem from Christianity -and a lot of the positive aspects are also in Islam. You are obviously totally ignorant of history! Why don't you do some serious study?
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi well the hate is traceable back to Judaism, the religion basically founded Christianity and Islam, lots of the rules and myths.
@@michaelbell3181 Jesus Christ is standing between Moses and Mohamad In the middle of the 2! Moses to the right and Mohamad to the left in the center as bridge is Christ Unfortunately both hate him, Jew and Muslim! He is cross in between both! They will never be united until they join in the middle! Of the pillar That is the truth!
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi mythology can be that way. Each of those religions have ancient mandates to murder, recruit, and all 3 have the creation and Noah's ark myths. It's barbaric tribalism tolerated as religions.
Another guy trying to ride AP's tail coat to getting more views. I love AP and DW - I see nothing wrong in their Colabs and thoroughly enjoy their content. Enough of this crap! First, the boring Apostate Aladdin, now this guy. Just stick to what and how you do yr thing and leave it at that.
The presence of Christians in Ex-Muslim spaces negatively affects me and many others, so I'm going to continue to critique it if it comes up, but I've said my piece here.
I had to switch off infidel noodle's video. I expected her to actually grill him on his support for Israel's atrocities. I was disgusted when she just gave him a platform to juatify his unacceptable behaviour.
In her defense, I think that was always her aim, to give him a platform to explain his views. As a Palestinian, I definitely would have challenged him more than she did.
@@SecularSpirit as a human being I would have challenged him more than she did. This entire issue is making me see the worst in so many people. I can't imagine how it must actually feel to a Palestinian.
Some good thoughts. We should talk.
Happy to talk, I'll reach out through Twitter.
Please televise!!!
Wait- I mean stream! Dang I’m old🤣😳😢
@@SecularSpirit that conversation would be very very interesting to listen to, and would be very welcome.
When the person he badmouths, hears the entire gossip 🤣
AP, by your speach and actions I see that your heavenly father is working on your heart. Please don't shut him out because he truly loves you
Criticism of Islam should never turn into justification for genocide.
Apostate Prophet's zionism is reprehensible.
I appreciate and respect AP because he always does what he wants and what he likes. I love his sense of humor and the way he talks. Keep on rockin', AP!! ❤
Thank you for sharing this video, AP is a brave man, we don't choose where to be born my respect to all ex Muslims. You all need to be united, to help the new generations.
But you choose to go to Hell.
@@keksi6844 I'm not scared of hell. This life is very short to worry about what will happen after death. Stay safe and strong always helping others without expecting a reward, teaches kids to love and respect others so when they get old they will be good humans and let them choose whatever they want to be ❤️🙏
@@rubyesmeralda1333 Helping others? Your idol AP supports killing of 35,000 of Palestinians and STARVING THEM TO DEATH. Spare me your Fake Immorality.
@@keksi6844 yeah no one cares hell and heaven are the best tool to controll people 😂
Your allowed to criticize Christianity without consequences
it just depends on the rulers, original christian law would execute non believers, same thing with islam
@@Dense_Osmium There is not something as 'CHristian law'. Try to read a book on foreign cultures
Good. Never go easy on them. Be unapologetic and also make more comments like this.
awesome reply
@@karlscher5170Actually, there is. During the middle ages, the catholic church mandated that brutal weaponry that were found to cause too much suffering were to be banned in war, demanded both parties (the bride and groom, not the families) in marriages be consenting, forbade incest, denounced enthrallment and slavery until it was removed, among other things. They also pioneered the concept of reformist prisons instead of jailing someone to hold them until you could execute or torture them. In medieval England (evidentially in an early middle ages lawbook iirc) (unlike reformist england that opened it up to germanic folklore), it was ordered that witches held no real magic and therefore anyone who did a witchhunt was a common murderer and should be tried before the court and/or the church.
Looks like AP needs to put more Trigger Warnings at the beginning of his videos
AP is both a secret christian and a secret jew
Mossad is falling apart trying to cover this up
😂😂
David Wood is symbolic representation of First AntiChrist and Apostate Prophet is symbolic representation of Second AntiChrist also called False Prophet.
He's an atheist he said this himself not me...
Yes he's an atheist he was born in germany now he lives in america but whatever he does he is a Turk he has got Turkish blood running through his veins and whatever he does or says that will never change and he can't change that whatever he does he's born with that 😁😁😁🤑🤑🤑 so live with that 😁😁😁
I think he is also doing it for the money. Criticising Christianity and other religions is going to push away a huge chunk of his following/viewership.
Literally every mainstream media outlet has criticized or dumped on Christianity at one point or another while criticizing Islam can you censored off social media like AP was. Sure a chunk of AP followers are Christians but there are Muslims, Hindus, Jews and atheists. The exact demographics? I do not know. But I do know criticizing Christianity is mainstream while criticizing Islam can make you lose money.
how about criticising the religion atheism and their belief?
funny this guy here sound like islam:
- do not take anone as frend who is not atheist or you are one of them
- fight thouse who do not belief in atheism, until ...
- do not citicice atheism or ask questions about atheism
Arrange a livestream with AP.
I tried weeks ago, he did not respond.
@@SecularSpiritThat’s too bad man.
It's funny how large a portion of AP's viewership are Christians. I feel like a lot of them think that him becoming a Christian himself is some kind of inevitability in his character arc. lol
"Character arc" lol, you're right, I have seen a lot of comments from Christians hoping he becomes Christian.
I’m one of them and personally as a Christian sure it’d be great if he did convert but I’m sure I speak for many of his Christian viewers when I say we genuinely care and like his content cuz of the good work hes doing, we are not Islam that wants to bully someone into belief, that is a personal choice he gets to make, we are just here for him as a person 🫶🏽
AP and DWood are friends. They have great chemistry and the live chat is fun. Everyone is having a good time. Why all this disapproval? We all know that DWood is Christian and AP is atheist. So what?? It is really sad that anyone would try and turn a good thing that brings people together toxic and use it for clicks. So disappointed 😢
How is it a 'good thing'? Good for people who hate Muslims, sure. Good for zionists, okay. It brings both those people together, OK.
You might see that as a positive... I would disagree.
It is just an excuse to talk about the similarities between christianity and islam.
Nobody forbid to have religious friends here.
@@hexa1905 excuse, as in, looking for clicks..
@@veronicaredeemed Any ex muslim souly looking for clicks would go the easy road sucking off that huge gullibility out of the christian mass.
The tribal hatred and violent sectarianism is a part of lslamic culture and supersedes believing in lslamic religion.
There should be space and tolerance for all types of criticism styles. Apostate Prophet's style should be praised for its creativity, passion and courage. It may turn some Muslims off as it comes across as agressive and condensending, but to its credit, it is what makes it humorous and engaging.
Funny since AP banned me on his channel.He is afraid of words of a Muslim.
Totally agree with you, and I mention in my video that I see the value in AP's style even if I wouldn't do it myself.
@@keksi6844 He is not afarid, he is annoyed. dont flatter yourself.
@@SecularSpirit From all ex muslims channels I have seen, AP has the most charisma and common sense. And is brutal when calling out the pedophilic cult of islam as he should.
I would not be surprised if AP pulls an Ayaan Hirsi Ali type conversion to Christianity
Thst is actually your future dispointment if that happens!
He is an ex Muslim and he is honest about him disliking religion BUT not viewing all religions as equally bad.
Nothing wrong with that.
Not all ex Muslims are the same.
Move on.
maybe one day he will become christian and believe in bible ' earth a flat circle. does not move. sun orbits the earth. earth 6k yrs young ruling out evolution ' [ quran teaches the opposite] but if he took 6th grade science he will never become christian
Ayaan Hirsi has never been a Muslim, she claimed that. She was Christian, and used the name Ali to seek asylum to Holland. Then she was recruited by the Atheist groups to bash Islam. Now she's back to Christianity after the Christian group began paying her more.
They're all in it for the money, nothing else. AP is a crypto-Jew from the Turkish Dönme sect. 😅
@@OmarBenjumea You have your taqiyya fried chicken, so even if you knew that was all BS you would still have said it. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, as long as it promotes Islam it's acceptable. Disgusting 'religion'.
Great video. Well edited, well spoken, rational, fair, and polite. I also have a general distaste for religion due to its blind faith. I've been watching APs livestreams with DW for some time and noticed a lot of things you mentioned. I really want to see AP pushback a little more to DW teasing in a light hearted manner. I like AP a lot, we share a lot of the same beliefs, and i relate to him on a personal level. I just hope he better situates himself with these christians.
Thank you so much for watching, I appreciate your comments and for you seeing my effort in trying to be fair. I found during my research, as you saw, that AP and I are quite likeminded when it comes to religion, but I think I'd give more pushback to the Christians I collaborate with if I was in his position.
Very well said, and a very comprehensive presentation. Well done on the level of restraint you showed as well.
Thank you so much, I appreciate you saying that!
In my view it's fine if ex-Muslims disagree about things (religion, politics, anything really), it just upsets me when it all becomes kind of spiteful. I really like AP and what he's done but I also like Aladdin, Secular Spirit, and many other ex-Muslims. This was a very nice, well-made and respectful video, imho this is how it should be done. Or to talk to the person directly.
You have a lot of books on that shelf behind you. Care to do a favourite books or recommended books video?
For decoration.
@@jamalkhan3708 Exactly, I don't read any of them! Hehehe just kidding
I'd love to do that if people are interested!
Excellent points. I did not know that AP was/is platforming a Christian. Another atheist - Alex O'Connor - has built his channel on being the sympathetic atheist ear to Christian apologetics and his comments are swollen with Christians cheering him on. It is certainly a good business model though as an atheist I no longer watch Alex and I would probably not bother with AP.
Thank you so much! I know Alex O'Connor's content pretty well. I think for me it's totally okay to talk to Christians and platform them at times, but they need to be rigorously and honestly challenged on their beliefs.
This is the exact criticism Nathan Ormond from @DigitalGnosis has of Alex.
@@Efn5Q8Vyxn It's not easy doing those kinds of conversations, speaking from experience, so I understand the pressure to be "nice" while also not letting people get away with saying irrational or bad things.
@@SecularSpirit True. Nathan has been censored by Peter Boghossian, a free speech warrior, for criticising him. I know a lot of the time people on the internet aren't going to be charitable or receptive to criticism and sometimes the politness act is something you have to do just to be able to have a conversation.
@@Efn5Q8Vyxn Exactly, it's a tough thing to compromise on. I know for example that Bill Nye knew his "debate" with Ken Ham would be done in bad faith but he agreed to do it anyway in the hopes of reaching Ham's followers with arguments they potentially never heard before.
He's not a secret Christian. There's no such thing. A tenant to being a Christian is to profess Jesus as Lord, not make jokes about it. Jesus being Lord is no joke.
Some people are forced to hide their treasure in the field. The Lord reserves what He reserves.
As a Christian I find your depiction of Christianity to be very much a strawman. Have you considered the possibility that AP has a more accurate understanding of what Christianity actually teaches than you have, and that this leads to a much more positive view of its actual impact on both its followers and the world?
I've considered that possibility, and I think that AP understands Christianity well but either disregards or doesn't understand its negative impacts that I outlined.
It’s not that far from Islam it’s just not allowed absolute power like Islam is in Middle Eastern countries …
All religion is shitty, why are you following him this is an athiest channel
@@SecularSpirit You would be dead in an islamic state for leaving Islam, but go off on Christianity where there has never been a death sentence for apostates. I suspect some of your negativity and jealousy towards Christianity is because of Evangelical Christian support for Israel and not Palestine.
@@mordakie3805 Last 400 centuries of a dominant Christian West and yet democracy, individual rights and liberties were championed by "power" hungry Christians.More than 95% of America's founding fathers were Christians and yet they never sought to create a theocratic state despite, having all the means at their disposal. Atheist lies.
A lot of the arguments are subjective, it really depends on the individual perspective. different persons would have whole separate set of reasons. A moral framework based on feelings and comfort or saying everything that exists just material is very subjective and easily changed.
10:50 you can see this in christianity as well, the call to martyrdom is in the writings of some early church fathers, and the early church had to try to stamp it out, recognising that it would hurt numbers if they had too many martyrs!
And because that had happened hy the time the bible was compiled, it means there aren't really any martyrdom supporting documents in the christian bible. St Paul is the closest, and he basically just says don't bother getting married or having kids, just devote your life to your community and wait for god to overturn this aeon and bring about paradise.
So, as you can see, it's easy for christians to ignore the call to martyrdom when they can already happily ignore the stuff that actually is in the bible.
Great points. The early Christians seemed to believe that the end times were fast-approaching, and you can see that kind of thinking with some Christians today. Fast-approaching...still waiting...
Jesus never called for jihad/martyrdom so what are you talking about? Jesus said to love your enemies, so how on earth did he call for jihad or martyrdom? Paul also never said don't get married and have kids ,he said it wasn't for everyone and especially himself, he had no intention of getting married because he wanted to serve God without marital distractions. He actually encourages marriage in another verse.pls stop lying or misrepresenting the bible. There is not one iota of Jesus's teaching that enables fighting and killing others for GOD.
He really hates what Islam does to people
What it does ?
Learning about agnosticism has helped me built a more flexible worldview while being consistent enough within the social knowledge. One tends to criticize harmful ideologies of the other side using a standard system for judging stuff, but can't be consistent enough to reflect their own points. It's one part of the mindset why absolutists happen to bring so much conflict and not to improve well-being.
I agree with you, but you can also be an atheist without being absolutist. Lack of belief in God is not a truth claim like belief in God is, and I think that distinction is important because it's only those who claim belief in God that have the burden of proof. Now, if an atheist claimed that "there is no God", which some call "hard atheism" then they also have the burden of proof.
Hello Secular Spirit. Despite making Islam-critical content I've stayed out of commenting on this whole (for lack of a better term) "civil war" between some ex-Muslims. That's partly because I'm not an ex-Muslim myself and partly because I thought it would have blown over my now. Since you mentioned the community post of AP I showed you concerning the Christians standing by his side when other groups are not, I'll throw in my two cents. Sorry for the length of the post.
I had noticed the same thing you pointed out about the joking between DW and AP being almost completely one sided and at APs expense. I also agree that AP probably has been influenced to some degree in his behaviour by his continued Christian company. However I don't think it will have significantly changed what his output and general tone would have been.
Like AP has said from his early days, he is not an anti-theist and he considers his former religion far more dangerous than any current manifestations of Christianity. Despite being an anti-theist myself and agreeing with you that other faiths share some of the same problems, I also agree with AP in terms of the relative dangers of each faith at this time in history. Therefore I choose to focus solely on Islam in my videos, although I use some criticisms that could be applied to other religions and I don't shy away from using them. I also regularly highlight I am coming from an atheist perspective so there is no confusion.
Where I would disagree with your take in this video is that ex-Muslims are going to potentially become Christian because of DW's regular appearances on APs channel and therefore hold on to some of the same harmful beliefs. This seems unlikely to me. APs Christian following is likely to come almost exclusively from people already following DW. Despite APs fondness for Christianity he doesn't promote it as being true and from what I've seen of his and DW's work, he doesn't allow DW to do preaching on his channel. Therefore if ex-Muslims watch AP's work and end up converting to Christianity there are likely issues about them not wanting to give up the idea of a god that already exist and that is the responsibility of those individuals to work out. At the end of the day I don't think it's APs responsibility to bring people to atheism if he doesn't see other religions as being a significant problem.
Anyways, I appreciate your video. I think it was more constructive than Apostate Aladdin's approach and I understand that ex-Muslims of all kinds are going to have different views - I also don't think there is necessarily a right or wrong answer in all this. As someone who has a great fondness and admiration for ex-Muslims in general, I hope you all can move forward from this situation soon. You are all extremely valuable in speaking about your former religion and you all have my support.
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Magnificent. Very well said
I am a big fan of yours. I am an exmuslim athiest.
I like when western athiests focus more Islam rather than just solely focusing on Christianity.
I have been watching AP and DW for more than an year. I have never got tempted to become a Christian. I certainly researched about Christianity but it doesn't make sense at all for me.
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As a pro Palestine Ex-Muslim Atheist who still loves his muslim family, I really appreciate videos like this and Apostate Aladdin’s video. The way I see it is Christianity is just as problematic as Islam and has caused just as many if not more atrocities over the course of history and so exclusively criticising Islam and not Christianity just leads to further discrimination of muslims across the world
Thank you for sharing! They definitely share major problems, I think the comparison of both is a way of hiding the harms of Christianity.
Same. I'm also ex muslim but leftist and pro Palestinian. It has nothing to do with religion but relations of Coloniality.
@@harisfareed4599 I think religion has embedded itself in it, but people must remember that the core issue here is that Zionism is and was and always has been a colonizing project.
@@SecularSpirit Exactly. I'm also Glad ex muslim council of Morocco and tunesian athiest alliance support palestine.
People don't criticise islam because of the people. They criticise it because of what the religion teaches.
the conclusion I've come to as an ex muslim when I see any ex muslim trying to have a considerate view that isn't overbearing and antagonistic being accused of being a "secret muslim" is because Islam itself is so full of arrogance and violence that when some leave it they still have those attitudes but just turn them against islam. Others of us left because of those attitudes (in part) and have empathy for muslims still under indoctrination and know an antagonistic approach won't reach as many heart as an empathetic one- just my opinion
The reason I find AP’s associations with David Wood so shortsighted is because it comes at a time when conservative Christians are openly trying to establish a theocracy in the US, the country he just recently became a citizen of. To think, he left “Islamic” Turkey for this?
They are? How so?
@@Mojojojo85757 Criminalizing abortion by supporting the overturning of Roe v. Wade (House Republicans support a national abortion ban in the first 15 weeks), trying to put Biblical text on government property (including public schools, which they’ve been trying to do for years), trying to teach intelligent design in schools (which they lost with Kitzmiller v. Dover but are still trying to do whatever they can to promote the teaching of creationism and intelligent design), successfully working to divert taxpayer funding from public schools into religious schools (Carson v. Makin) thereby minimizing the separation of church and state, 7 states have bans on atheists serving in office (fortunately they’re effectively null due to the Supreme Court ruling of Torcaso v. Watkins, but there’s still no pressure to take them off the books). Also, as Secular Spirit brings up, supporting Israel to fulfill their deranged “End Times” conspiracy.
A not insignificant amount of Christian conservatives will openly say and believe that the Bible or the “word of God” is more important than the US Constitution itself, or at the very least, that the Bible should influence the law of the land. Heck, they successfully managed to put “In God We Trust” on the money and “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance during the 1950s, which might not seem like much, but it shows the level of sway Christians have in shaping the country. I’m sure there’s a whole lot more I’m overlooking or forgetting.
Rest assured, Apostate Prophet has no interest in and will never bring these political topics up for discussion.
This! At the moment those Christians are a far greater threat to the US than Islam. Just because there are no swords involved, it doesn't mean other, more less obvious tools are used.
@@Mojojojo85757look up project 2025
@@Mojojojo85757are you not following what is taking place there, it’s crazy.
The right wing fanatics are trying to bring Christianity back into politics
It's a weird couple. But everyone outcast by their family would feel the need of a friend.
I dont think its reasonable to shed negative light on apostate prophet, he opened the eyes of many people. We need him.
By your position, anyone who makes a positive contribution in an important area should be immune from criticism - which I completely disagree with. He can do positive things but also make mistakes that are worth pointing out, which I think will help him do better.
1) Teaching fear: There are a lot of things in life that have fear attached to it. Fear is not necessarily a bad thing, to attempt to remove fear from human life is to build a someone what dysfunctional human being.
Btw the timing of this latest Richard Dawkins thing and your video couldn't have been better. 🤣
The truth becomes known that religions are not equal
Right? I thought that too! Religions aren't all equal, but hey, two things can be harmful even if one is worse! But I understand if you don't see Christianity that way. Appreciate you watching as always!
@@SecularSpirit Susan Neiman talked quite a bit about auto de fe, while (rightly) praising the Enlightenment. Jesus and Kant, 4ever.
Thanks Aleem for the video & I agree with your points. I think AP is pulling the Ayan hersi for viewers and checks.
Thank you! AP says he's doing it for the support Christians offer. I just wonder what he's compromising for that support.
I am not an atheist or a religious person myself. Due to psychic and spiritual experiences I've had, I fit in the "spiritual, but not religious" category. I still enjoy picking the minds of the religious, the agnostic and the atheists. The differing points of view on spirituality are fascinating to me. I was born in a Catholic family, but decided as a teenager it did not align with my modern values (due to sexism and homophobia.) I saw value in developing my own moral compass and I can only imagine a divine presence which would appreciate the genuine effort. I think everyone has to follow the path they think is best for them. What I appreciate about AP is that in the end he seems to be true to himself. He's conveying his own stance on things and his point of view can change and evolve. I want him to keep being himself. I want him to keep on being as authentic and honest as he can be (even if it can occasionaly ruffle feathers.) He has strong opinions and they don't always align with other people's priorities. It's fine if he doesn't feel the need to criticize other people's religions as much as the one he was born into. I do feel like he's very disapointed with the moral failings of Islam. It's more personal, since it's the one he grew up with.
Sorry but watching David Wood and AP talk to each other, I felt uncomfortable how dominant David is in these conversations, like asserting some sort of authority and AP giving into it.
That’s just their personalities, ap is more soft spoken and chill, while David is abit more intense, that’s why they make a neat combo, they bounce of each others different styles ☝🏽
Great video as always 🙌🏽
Thank youuu as always 🙂
i think somebody already said they have good chemistry and im just gonna ditto that, Great Chemistry and funny together very likeable
Ap says he respects christianity for the teachings of love for others in it which is true, main focus of christianity is helping the poor the main focus of Islam is jihad
lol you haven’t read the bible the main part is subjugation
@@dilonkumar4960 first command love God your lord second love your naighbour that summerize all the laws and prophets grow up ,besides this is not about what i have read it is about what AP says about christianity can you even read my comment?!
@@lotusisme21 the main part is slaughter what is Jesus planning on his return,Lots of brown people worship white people chritianity is an add on
Damn, you don’t know diddly squat
@@SILENTREVO91 Have no idea what you just said and dont even care but get a life you know a real one
Excellent video. Very well measured, charitable and pretty much on the mark.
Thank you, thank you. I think it's important to note that even though I criticize AP, I see the value of what he's done and I agree with him on why we don't follow religion quite a bit actually.
@@SecularSpirit
I was about to say I wonder how AP will react to this, but I've just seen his reply here. I hope he is true to his desire to discuss this with you further.
AP and David Wood are great. And i prefer all Muslims become Christians or atheists, i don't care.
Big difference between becoming a Christian or an atheist, I'd argue the Christian outcome is still quite harmful.
well better than a muslim i agree but that's not the same in any means
just because someone sides with you to acheive a common goal, doesnt mean they're entirely with you.
Great video Aleem. I totally agree with you. 🤟
Thank you so much Klodius! Glad to have your support!
Great Video, however to me, you seem like to suggest that ex-muslim should hang out with Christian, even when they are themselves ex-muslim (ex. Nabeel qureshi). I do not like this antagonization as much of history is about the respect of perspective. Counter-Apologist youtubers tend to fail to grasp at the objection to Theism and especially Christianity. In split of having "similar" faults, Christianity fundamentally have a different worldviews of virtues rather than the legalistic worldview of Islam. However, it also has faults and much of this can come from many of the new atheist narratives about religion and theism.
My Critiques:
Your overthinking about the sense of fear. Overthink is not the same as critical thinking, if anything, it hinders your critical thinking to make independent decision on whether or not this claims can be verified. As someone with tend to very indecisive in life, I often make very unproductive and distracts me from the main work and hinders my critical thinking excessively.
Fear in Judaism and in Christianity is very different than in Islam. Fear in the biblical sense is defined in Hebrew as יִרְאַ֥ת (yir-’aṯ). In the context of Psalm 111, the word fear is often used as a form of gratitude and admiration for the Lord. Admiration mean a form of respect and love for god and he would grant you gift of the holy spirit (based on Isaiah 11:1-2). Showing admiration for a man isn't always the best way to communicate with god. Sometimes, the man who you meet can become very oppressive towards others. The God of the old testament is comparable to Zeus in the sense that the most powerful form of god is to bring justice to this world. Fear of hell in some ways in similar to the fear of man, by which when you fear it, you also admire and kneel to the sense of moral decay. From the Christian perspective, most people parish in hell and they end their lives of their soul from then (gone, nada) on but those who believe in Jesus shall have everlasting life with him (John 3:16).
Also as someone who tend to love history and majoring in History in college, your view of history are very distorted. You have no idea about any of the ecumenical councils, at which a required serious form of critical thinking as it would lead to the disunification of the Church. Often times, they are meet to be theological compromises against heresy. Many of the early Christians were severely persecution with the worst being Emperor Diocletian with his "Great Persecution." Emperor Nero blamed Christians for the Fire in Rome and began the process of mass persecution. The Christians did not partake in the Roman-Jewish Wars and Christians didn't consider the Romans nor the Jews as allies. The Christians likely didn't have any "agendas" as most of the disciples ended up being killed in brutal ways not through wars but through persecution.
In some sense, Christianity encourages a form of critical thinking that differs very greatly from yours. As for Morality, Christianity revolutionized morality. Christianity fundamentally change the ways at which we viewed the world. From on of social conservatism to that of a dualistic fight against evil spirits and the devil (sin). Constantine was a revolutionary figure who change all of Rome for the better, he allowed Bishops to be represented in Government and halted persecution of Christians in the empire. He also introduce the reconstruction of buildings and introduce the war against heresies and councils such as the Ecumenical Council of Nicea. At which make the Trinity the official position of the Church.
It allowed for women's voices to be heard in the empire's affairs during the times of the Byzantine Empire such as empress Galla Placidia (A female emperor) and Pulcheria. Women became much more important in the empires history than any other times in Rome. Early converts to Christianity were mostly women and were viewed equally in government as in Christ (Galatian 3:28). Slavery decline significantly in the Roman Empire during the first 6 centuries, from 35% in 1st Century CE to 15% by the 5-6th Century CE (Byzantine Empire). The same verse from Ephesians 6:5 can be addressed in Ephesians 6:9 (4 verses later) explicitly abolished chattel Slavery at which chattel slavery was inherently about profit, mistreatment, and keeping slaves as property. In spite of this, this was mostly ignored by the Church for a few centuries but wasn't consider as divinely inspired but rather as sin according to Augustine of Hippo (we are all sinners after all but the book remains the same).
My conclusion is that you indulge in new atheist propaganda and to me, it is very ineffective. It nothing but fear mongering against religious people and is a slippery slope of the outcomes, and over reaction. Christianity (specifically the Christian left) shares responsibilities for anti-war protest, Womens' right, abolition of slavery (riots mostly started by BLACK priest), reform amongst Native Americans, and the huge rise of literacy rate the United States. I am from Texas and thank to religious leader in the North during reconstruction, Texas had become a much more educated state than it would have otherwise done so.
this video is needed, just because im an exmuslim that does not mean im going to ally myself with the enemy of my enemy, both islam and christianity suck, all religions suck smh
Atheist are like some who was married with a woman or a man who he love so much, did everything for her l/him
But that person was cheating on him behind his back with his own best friend,, one day he discovered that cheating liar imposter then decided to let him and divorce violently, the partner try to to stop them with apostate law a d threat...
Now this new atheist, cheated partner have decided that that all women are cheaters, all men are cheaters... All the religion are the same they concluded never to be cheated or caught against..
They start preaching every one that women are evil
All men and Satan
All religion are the same.. basically
Yes they look the same but one one is little different...
Buddhism has some great philosophies.
@@garethmiguel yes I did lead that too when I left Islam
May I ask how Christianity sucks?
Islam is on another level.
The texts about obeying your masters was written in the time of indentured servitude in ancient greek times.
In Islam, well refer to APs videos. :3
The texts also refer to chattel slavery.
@@SecularSpirit That's a lie. slave and servant are sometimes used interchangeably in the bible.There are guidelines in the old testament for how slaves/servants were to be treated. I suggest you learn more and stop misrepresenting the biblical view or outrightly lying.
Great work. I wish you would make a video (or series of videos) clarifying why AP's stance on Israel/Palestine is so horrible and wrong factually and morally. Its important that an ex Muslim creator speaks up about this and you have the knowledge to do so.
Why is it horrible? Is Israel an evil occupying terrorist state??
Thank you so much! If you go to Apostate Aladdin's video (which I linked in the video description) I do talk about it at length regarding how AP's stance on Israel/Palestine is misguided. I find the subject emotionally draining, so I am not sure if I have it in me to do another video about it to be honest.
@@SecularSpirit Even though that video is good I believe more need to be made given that AP is basically waging a propoganda war since 6 months with weekly videos about the subject. It would be nice if someone was to explain the history and show that AP is flat out wrong and I think you are the best equipped person for that. I hope you can consider it.
@@SyrianApostate Thanks, I am definitely considering it and I've been researching the history for the last couple months anyways, so maybe I should put it to good use.
Notice AP eye contact?
In Christianity it's between you and God at the end he will judge you Christians have to tell you what they have experienced
How to make 44 minutes 2 seconds anti-Christian video
1. Presuppose that Christianity is false.
2. Turn on your camera
3. Sit in front of it 44 minutes 2 seconds
AP is based ❤❤
Based on justifying war crimes
yeah, what an odd ball thing what is this the odd couple sit com ? it doesn't make sense that those 2 dudes would team up, but it does make cents if you know what I mean. just my opinion..
You mean nothing..
Two men can be good friends with what you mean
😂😢😂
Facts
Is Christianity dangerous? Yes, absolutely, and you're right in pointing this out. I'm saying this as a Christian myself. Because the Christian faith is a very powerful thing that has shaped human history more than any other single factor. And the more powerful something is, the more dangerous does it become, whenever it gets distorted, abused or simply used carelessly. As a comparison, think of sexuality and the power it has in both a positive and a negative sense, depending on how it's used. I would even go as far as to say that the rise of a religion as dangerous as Islam would hardly be imaginable without there being the Christian faith in the first place.
So I wouldn't blame you of strawmanning Christianity. Those harmful versions of Christianity you describe are really there. But they are definitely not the whole story. And by that; I don't just mean that there are much better versions, too, but that any harmful version is a direct consequence of missing out on the whole story, of picking some elements of the Christian faith and distorting them to make up a belief system that isn't the fruit of the spirit of Christ. The spirit of Christ is all about love, joy, peace, courage, freedom, truthfulness, self-discipline, growing, nonviolence, compassion, humility, service and engendering new life. It is the exact opposite of hatred, misery, enmity, fear, bondage, lying, licentiousness, decay, violence, recklessness, arrogance, abuse and death culture. So we know what the standard is. And this (hopefully!) enables us as Christians to be critical of our own faith and to welcome critique from the outside whenever we miss that standard. Take fear: It is used everywhere in human society in a direct or subtle way to threaten and manipulate others. And yes, you find that kind of manipulation within Christianity, too, and it gets much worse there as it tends to be connected to things of eternal importance. Sure, there are ways of dealing with irrational fears by using rational thinking, and I'm very grateful for everything that is achieved by that means. But there is only one real solution to the problem of fear, which is called love, unconditional love. As Christians, we believe in a God who is pure Love and in whose presence every fear withers away. This is a real experience, and it is at the core of our faith. And nothing in this faith makes us blind for reality or contemptuous of reason and bodily life. Rather, these precious goods can be valued even more as they are seen as gifts with a purpose and signs of God's love for us humans. So once again yes, any element within Christianity can be misconstrued and abused in the most dangerous ways, but viewed in relationship to a God who has shown his endless, unconditional love for us in the man Jesus Christ, everything starts to make sense and to be a most powerful tool for enhancing human life in every aspect.
What about Islam? Concerning that religion, you are more experienced than I am, so please draw your own conclusions.
What has really fascinated me as I learn more about Christianity is how similarly it is presented and taught compared to Islam. That everything negative or harmful done in the name of Islam or interpreted in the Quran is a distortion from the truth of love and peace of Islam, I heard many of the same things you shared in your comment while I was Muslim. This is a big ask, but perhaps you'd want to engage me on some of these issues on my channel? I've had Christians on before and it went very well. If you copy and paste this url, you'll find one of those instances: ua-cam.com/video/K5uFsar_iQc/v-deo.html
@@SecularSpirit Thank you for your kind reply. I think it is quite naturally true that any adherent of a religion wants to present their own religion in as good a light as possible. The real question is whether those claims can be verified in reality. As for Christianity, I think there can be made a good case that love is really the ultimate key of interpretation of its whole message. I have doubts whether the same can be said about Islam, because of several reasons where Islam differs considerably from Christianity. One main point is that the God of Islam, as I perceive it, doesn't love unconditionally, but rather as a response to submission to his will. Another point would be that spreading Islam and being loyal to the Muslim community is ranked a higher value than truthfulness. In Christianity however, seeking the truth and following your conscience is valued more than being faithful to your church; we believe that anyone who sincerely seeks the truth will ultimately find God, even if this means being in temporary conflict with established creeds.
I'm going to consider your proposal; I must admit though that I've never had such a conversation live before, I usually prefer debating such things in written form, but yeah, you got me on the point of courage...
@@SecularSpirit I've just finished watching the linked conversation with Tom and enjoyed it very much. Thanks! I really appreciate the atmosphere of your conversation and was even able to relate to several of Tom's experiences myself. Very interesting indeed.
@@johannesdorr9590 Glad you could watch! Tom was really eloquent in expressing his perspective in my opinion. If you'd ever be interested in doing something similar with me on my channel, a conversation, just let me know. You can email me at thesecularspirit@gmail.com
Proverbs 14:30 A tranquil heart is life to the body, But jealousy is rottenness to the bones.
Amen.
@@SecularSpirit You are jealous and upset about AP support for Israel. Your islamic jealous spirit is still in you.
Did you ever get to talk to him?
I messaged him via Twitter but haven't heard back.
@@SecularSpirit Sucks he's not responding, hopefully he'll get back to you soon because a conversation between you both would be cool
Christian God: OK. Hell is only for murders and now only for 1 minute.
Secular Spirit: How dare you. That still promotes fear.
Christian God: Ok. No hell for the worst of sinners. But they won't have my blessing.
Secular Spirit: That's dangling a carrot. That's also fear of missing out on God's blessings. How dare you!
They want God to treat sin and righteousness alike. But a God who is indifferent to sin is no God.
And what is harmful about the religion that built all western civilization ? And that part you said david wood dismised AP, he was being sarcatic mocking his atheism, how about you debate AP on israrl & hamas/Palestinian war ?
arguments can be made for christianity about all these things, but who hardly has the time? ik i dont. you spoke your mind, good video.
Sorry but no, slavery is not condoned by christianity. And also it's christian countries that force muslim countries to stop slave trade.
'Slaves, obey your masters - even the harsh ones'.
That's the New Testament. I probably didn't get the wording exactly right but it's from 1 Peter I believe. Then there's the Levitical laws in the Old Testament that outline who it is permitted to enslave.
So you're just wrong. Christianity does condone slavery. You brought up the fact that 'Christian countries' forced Muslim countries to stop the slave trade - but 'Christian countries' also forced other *Christian countries* to stop the slave trade.
You are cherry picking information. The Bible explicitly condones slavery.
@@bengreen171 and how is it in real life? Can you name one christian apologist, priest, scholar, a "christian haqiqaju" who supports slavery in 2024, on the basis of these verses?
Side note: Catholics who make up about 50% of Christianity don't read the Old testament.
@@bengreen171What was the designation of Israelites in Egypt? Why did God care to deliver Them? God never wants slaves to remain slaves. By the way God often punishes proud masters and turn them to slaves.
Christian countries? You mean secular countries which abolished church in the government?
@@johnmario3795
none of that changes the fact that the Bible condones slavery.
There is no passage in the Bible that explicitly or implicitly shows God doesn't want people to be slaves. The fact that there are laws and regulations that govern slavery - and yet not a single verse that says slavery is wrong - proves this.
AP isn't boring.
He acts as if he's smart while making the stupidest arguments, I'm talking about the lives with david wood
I think that AP and Dizzle are a good tandem even due to their differences. So this pact is legitimate and kosher. I've also noticed that their relation is a bit sugary. In my opinion Christianity is pretty much harmless today, while Islam is lively and spreading with aspirations to dominate.
Oh, come on man. You and Apostate Aladin should move on from this already
😮 why?
Christ is their real target 🎯
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi You don't need AP for a video on Christ
@@jonathanrotem251
Do you know the tactics of:
I target you through your close friends!
I use those around you as shield to reach, you!
Indirect way of telling you!
“ you are my real problem “ yu- Jesus- satan!
This is the message of secular spirit and alladin!
Using ap to reach wood from wood, they reach the real target the one above wood! Christ!
I have arrive at it!
They take a breath!
@@jonathanrotem251 absolutely they don’t need AP but they use Ap to reach the perfect target 🎯 Christ
Have you ever have someone who hates you but he doesn’t come to you directly but he will use those around you
As a bridge to are hit you hard and run back for hide?
This is what secular and Aladdin are doing .. target is the one above Dwood head
Who is he?
@@jonathanrotem251absolutely not!
LOVE the video. I feel like I am now comfortable to just exist within the muslim community now, not have issues or resentment anymore. I healed myself, but I know it takes time and during that healing process, the hatred towards Islam is still there. I won't speak for AP, but I wonder why he still makes videos of Islam; sometimes it's better to just let go of our past. I full on converted to Buddhism to find more peace, but I believe at sometime we all gotta let Islam go. I don't believe within our lifetimes that the Islamist perspective of Islam will go away, so might as well to speak up about the dangers, but also find fulfillment somewhere else.
Someone have to
Do the work! Continue..
If you let the weed in the garden after you are satisfied it will grow against if some don’t stay obstinate about it after many years left!
I am Myself I’m an ex Muslim ex. I have no intention to go back to Islam but Someone have to continue working . If you don’t attend the garden, weed will grow fearlessly,,
If doctors go home after one patient is heal, all hospitals will be closed…
This is how cancer is if you remove one cell, part many will come if we don’t keep of killing it..
Islam doesn’t sleep while will X Muslim sleep
Islam doesn’t sleep well will Christian sleep Islam is an ambition
Fall asleep 😴 in the morning you will be surprised how much it have destroyed,,,
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi One can call out Islam but also, at the same time, heal from the trauma it has given people is what I am saying. Just call it out when need be and at the same time make happiness for oneself. Just not be filled with hatred while talking about Islam, don't let it control one's heart.
@@OutoftheEchoChamber
My big sister left Islam around after 911. I hated her I was angry you know, but she was determined,everybody was against her including me, but It was difficult for her, but she have to move , she became Christianity it made us hate her worse when she left what she did is,
she bought The dogs and then she moved from the house and then she bought cross she put out the door in her side house , and in her neck as a statement to repulse us..
you know why she did this ?
to keep everyone out of her life. I never saw such a big cross I someone neck..:😀😀
This is how she were able to handle it and keep us outside he life..
This is what I did too after when I left!
I am 44 years old
When I left I did he same thing..
I brought bible 4 bible crosses and puppies then I removed my niqab die my hair burgundy to nagging them,,,,
Muslim family will excuse you if you are atheist they still have hope that you're gonna come back ..
I was reading all kinds of book Buddha Indu All these books and philosophies
Everything was fine. They still have hope then I will come back
As soon as I bought the Bible this is where hell get loose now i understand why ....,
Christ teaching are good for me,,,,
@@jhggcfdr3467
Each individual is different. Each individual heal differently. Each individual have his method of healing. If you can do half cup, and be satisfied some people, one full cup , someone need and over cup poring in the floor, some Anuk, satisfied World Cup some need bottle some ocean to heal
you have to understand...
I doctor close hospital after healing one person then they are not helping people!
The hospital have to be remain always open because there are more patient who are going to come in emergency every people wake up in his own time individually
their time not everybody wake up at the same time so Ap have to still be there as kings of nurse in service
And he doesn't have to change his style. He have to even modify it to go in different level.
Using the same subject about Islam.,
Why did you agree with a posted Aladdin is that he want him to be in one star he wanted to stop. He doesn't want him to continue. That is not right nurse. He start doing nursing. You have to continue nursing. You have to go to different level level, improve himself in all way But what Aladdin want him to do is to stop like,
you know now that you're out now leave them alone don't continue working as a nurse this way,don't associate with a certain therapist like dwood
No, that's why I left there atheist groups because I found out dear more dictator you know you know they want you to think a certain way if you start trying to even think about Lexi I'm gonna do a battle or something. Oh no they try to control and then I said fuck I going to be by myself now I'm happy.
Atheist want people to be and remain athéist
me I don't like it there are people who like to believe ,their Are people who like to worship , their are people who like to have their idea that there is a God so in that circle of atheist, at one point it became toxic
I and following in Christ teachings now......
@@jhggcfdr3467 you can’t tell people how to drink
And the quantity they can drink!
Some people like to drink in the bottle some people like to drink in the spoon some people like to drink in the cup some people like to drink in a cup full some people like to drink in a cup half some people just like to hold a cup empty And some people like to drink directly from this fountain so you cannot tell people what to say how to do it and when to do it, AP can do it in his style. If he doesn’t feel that one bottle is enough for him he can take 23 if you don’t like the brand he can change.
I get your point BUT your belief and morals aren't perfect and can causes issues in society too 🤷♂️
16:26 “Jesus coming back to life even if true doesn’t mean he’s God” soooooo what is he then? A guy with a cool skill of coming back to life ? the heck kinda logic is that, If God doesn’t exist how did Jesus pop back into life ?
It could be some powerful entity we aren't aware of, or a force we don't understand, and it doesn't happen to be the creator of the universe but something else. Who knows. Crediting the deity that created the universe is a claim that has to be proven, and that's if Jesus actually did resurrect, which is a big if.
@@SecularSpirit ok but I’m saying that you’re simply creating your very own god, you’re saying it coooould be this other creator or other force, that’s you creating your own god or idea to give credit too
@@blottedcenter4348 Nope, it wouldn't have to be a god/creator of the universe - just a powerful entity or something natural about the world that we don't understand. The point is that Christians are leaping to conclusions, not that I think this other thing actually exists. Christians can't rule out this other hypothetical thing when they make this leap.
@SecularSpirit the point is you're taking out the Christian God and simply substituting something else meaning you're doing the exactly same thing you claim Christians are doing by making up your own god, this is exactly what the islam prophet did, he took the God of Christianity and judism and made his own version, and twisted it to fit his sick life style, of course I'm not saying you're doing that I'm just saying that's the similar mind set, we Christians base are beliefs off of lots of things, we don't just believe blindly, at least I don't I can't speak for everyone, all I'm saying is don't let islams horrid example make push you from trying to understand Christians or other world views 🫱🏽🫲🏾
@@blottedcenter4348 You're missing the point: it's not about gods. It's about how did we rule out all other possibilities besides the God of Christianity.
Wait, Christ or Christianity is harmful? I think your focus in this video couldn't be more incorrect my friend. If a God exists, we should a expect rules & regulations for right order. What do we expect?
Christianity is so true that even atheist believe what it teaches without professing faith
No, I don't believe the teachings that really matter for Christianity to be true.
In the start I thought you are gonna make good points but I am to say at least disappointed as my Christian prospective.
1 Fear of God yes you can make case for some people really facing punishment, but everyone who understands Christianity will know Jesus will open he's heart for them.
2 Please don't bring slavery because the Bible says even if the person is slave you shouldn't treat him as object, but still the bible didn't says to take slaves, even one of he's biggest miracle is freeing the Israelis from slavery and the Bible is also used to stop slavery and the first countries which stops slavery are Christian countries. Meanwhile Quran doesn't stop you of taking slaves from other faith, including sex slaves.
3 Christianity doesn't stop you from searching for the truth, I personally was amazed how the old testament is used from archeologist to research Israel and it's really successful and there are more things than lead me to believing in Christianity, while Islam doesn't really even seem connected to Abrahamic religion.
4 LGBTQ is not right thing in Christianity, that's our value but you don't need to be Christian to support it, many my atheist friends dislike LGBTQ and are against abortion also, because I don't need the Bible to see this killing life inside you. But still you are completely safe in Christian countries to be gay or lesbian, is it the same about the Islam?
5 Ooh yeah the poor children who are teach to love each other, to do good, to pray even for people who hates them, it's just so harsh 😭😭😭
Yawn
You are 100% right. The decline of Christianity leads inevitably to the rise of Islam. Even Richard Dawkins realized this in one of his recent interviews
I don't like to mislead people if anyone wants to learn about Jesus Christ teaches read the Bible New testament. If anyone wants to learn about Islam read the Quran and hadith so you can make your own decision. The most important thing is to have love if we have love we will always care for others without expecting any reward. It is very important to treat others the way we want to be treated. I don't know what will happen after I die. I enjoy every day of my Life.
The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach no one else, JOHN 14:6! Muhammad didn't know where he was going after death when his followers asked him. He didn't know where know where his followers were going. But, Yeshua knew exactly where He was going! This is the problem that Muslims has bc they think they'll go to heaven through works and good deads! I hope you embrace Yeshua one day Ruby😊! 🙏🙏🙏💜
@@maxinedeleon4357 thank you for sharing. I'm Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior and I followed his teaching. I was blessed because I was born in a Christian country, I read the Bible since my childhood not one forced me, I always advise people to read it. Jesus loves us and wants us to love one another ❤️🙏
@@rubyesmeralda1333Thank you for your post! I didn't know whether you were a Christian or not! Yes, we should definitely love one another for sure, however, Islam teaches people to hate. When people leave some end up with PTSD. Islam isn't of God. Most Muslims haven't got hate in their heart. My close friend is a Muslim and I worry for her and her family. But, its needs to come from her. She does ask questions sometimes. I would love us to have a heart to heart conversation about it, but she isn't there yet. I pray everyone finds the light in Jesus then eventually they can go home to the Father when they close their eyes for good!
Thankfully, there are huge amount of people leaving the religion as their eyes are being opened! One ex-Muslim said read the Qur'an up to 3 times. When most people read the Qur'an and Hadiths they leave especially finding out about Aisha etc! Wonderful things are happening and I'm so happy because those who've left has their freedom and can be with the Father for eternity! May you and your family have many blessings in Jesus Name🙂! 🙏💜
@@maxinedeleon4357 share with your friend videos son of hamas the green prince he also has a Netflix movie. In Muslims countries people don't have freedom of religion they can't have a Bible. I think that what hamas did in Israel in October opened the eyes of the world and now the whole world knows what Islam teaches the Quran and hadith. Innocent people that were misled they are leaving Islam.
@@maxinedeleon4357 she can also join Christian Prince live stream if she has any questions about Islam he can give her better.
David did his homework on Islam? 😂 bud he got humiliated by Sheikh Uthman on multiple occasions so much so he even told him that "bible isn't his position".
❤🎉 ExMuslims are telling the truth of Islam 💯
Without religion humanity would not have evolved. Religion is useful because it teaches values and helps us to work with strangers. You can be an atheist and still agree with parts of any religion. For example, I think Jesus was the best example of what a human should try to be. Best role model. I can be a supporter of Jesus while still maintaining my firm belief that there is no god and Jesus wasn't a god. Consider looking up "Imagined Reality."
Just here to remind everyone that Aleem and Aladdin are right about Israel-Palestine. Sorry, I don't make the rules! 🇮🇱❤️🇵🇸
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@@robertmoshe6674 Thank you Robert!!
I would say they have an understandable basis in that issue, as morality matters. Personally I find politics incredbily complex, where the other side could interpret the problem in a way that makes complete sense. I could use military experts analyzation of casualties and the IDF using technology telling Gazans about evacuation, to claim that Israel is the most moral and efficient army in urban warfare.
Only a change in mindset, that should have started early in education, could provide a long-term solution. Gazans are victims of their indoctrinated worldview in a sense, where Israel took the opportunity to play the game where they want it to be
I thought it's gonna be a fun vid, so you got my click there, but after less than 3 minutes I realized that this an antisemitic Muslim apologetic video disguised as an atheist poking on AP, so you got my dislike there.
Happy?
What is antisemitic?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm neither antisemitic nor a Muslim.
@@SecularSpirit Muslim Jew hate still resides in you .
But everything will depend on how you treat one onother we are suppose to love God and our naibors we can't love God without loving our naibors
AP has had a change in attitude for belief in God. It seems like Jerusalem syndrome kicked in
Funnily enough I just heard of Jerusalem syndrome from another viewer, I'm even considering doing a video about it.
This is one long diatribe where you presuppose the anti-Christian position. You have just shown that you disagree. Ok, we know that. But you haven't shown why your position is any truer than the Christian position. There are atheists who oppose abortion. And support Israel. And disagree with LGBTQ ideas. Just because you don't believe in Christianity does not make your position valid.
Your pothos gives me anxiety
It's thriving no matter what I do to it! 😍
Who else thinks this guy is desperate for attention and subs? 👍🏻
Haven't you seen demonic manifestation I know so many people that tap to demons how can you not believe we can also know God
You have a misunderstanding about Christianity, most Christians don’t believe out of fear but because they have encountered God’s love, as the Bible says: O taste and see that the Lord is good… (Psalm 34:8)Some may come out of fear but they don’t stay out of fear, they stay because they discover a loving father. Christianity is not like Islam with its rules, regulations and expectations. Yes our behaviours change when we become Christians, but it is not because we have to, rather, it is as we spend time talking with God and reading the Bible (not repeating the same prayers over and over) He changes us from within; sometimes we don’t even realise it’s happening. For instance, after reading a biography I struggled with God for months, I did not want to give my life to him. I had no Christian influence in my life so I had no idea what would happen when I did, I thought I might even die (but I didn’t 😁). It was the best thing I ever did. God “grew me” himself for a year, at that point I didn’t even know I was a Christian until I met other Christians and discovered that’s what I was. I can understand that anyone coming out of Islam might be very wary of submitting to another god but Jesus is nothing like Allah and I pray that both you and AP discover that.
He just a shape shifter playing games with people
Good one
But David Wood testimony of his life changed is his evidence I'm Shure he has seen God's power in his life and we know we can't force Jesus on no one he Wil save us he will show us all his mercy
He doesn't even understand Christianity and mostly spread heresy just to prove a point..
He spread anti Islam even if he steps on Christianity teachings
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. It seems you are a bit jealous of AP
This is all very childish and unprofessional.
I think I like AP better .
I mention in my video specifically that I'm not jealous of him, and I actually wouldn't want to be in his position.
@@SecularSpirit You are .Of course as an atheist you can lie since you have no moral standards.
I think you should run paid ads to reach more😂. Daud kim alone converting more Muslims
I preach the gospel of Christ and no one can stop me
Love you all ❤
I liked this content, and they are both branches of the same evil tree.
The evil tree is Jesus Christ!😅
He is that tree material
Most of the great things of the West be it the systems of values, the art and architecture, the music -even the scientific method itself stem from Christianity -and a lot of the positive aspects are also in Islam. You are obviously totally ignorant of history! Why don't you do some serious study?
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi well the hate is traceable back to Judaism, the religion basically founded Christianity and Islam, lots of the rules and myths.
@@michaelbell3181
Jesus Christ is standing between
Moses and Mohamad
In the middle of the 2!
Moses to the right and Mohamad to the left in the center as bridge is Christ
Unfortunately both hate him,
Jew and Muslim! He is cross in between both!
They will never be united until they join in the middle! Of the pillar
That is the truth!
@@Aesthetic-Zagreb-noorNo-fe5pi mythology can be that way. Each of those religions have ancient mandates to murder, recruit, and all 3 have the creation and Noah's ark myths. It's barbaric tribalism tolerated as religions.
That "She" is in a love relationship with David Wood is certain, Christian I am not sure
You definitely have read and understood the Bible this is why you are lost. You’re intelligent but very angry inside.
Trying to blow with some controversy I see
Another guy trying to ride AP's tail coat to getting more views. I love AP and DW - I see nothing wrong in their Colabs and thoroughly enjoy their content. Enough of this crap! First, the boring Apostate Aladdin, now this guy. Just stick to what and how you do yr thing and leave it at that.
The presence of Christians in Ex-Muslim spaces negatively affects me and many others, so I'm going to continue to critique it if it comes up, but I've said my piece here.
@@SecularSpirit Some Christians are Ex-Muslims, so they rightfully belong there.
This is not satire ? AP does not preach christ. This is a sad attempt at... whatever this insanity is. I hope this is a joke.
Islam is very Cruel to Non Muslims in Afghanistan 😢😂
There’s something I realised, Dw is more fixated on islam than his religion, Christianity 😂
I am not sure if that's the case with his day to day work, but it definitely is the case with his UA-cam videos.
Jews ARE "Paletinians" too. You look kind of Ashkenazi dude.
He must have been a Donmeh!
AP is time. Your maker the almighty is calling you home
You don't understand Jesus Christ
I had to switch off infidel noodle's video. I expected her to actually grill him on his support for Israel's atrocities. I was disgusted when she just gave him a platform to juatify his unacceptable behaviour.
In her defense, I think that was always her aim, to give him a platform to explain his views. As a Palestinian, I definitely would have challenged him more than she did.
@@SecularSpirit as a human being I would have challenged him more than she did.
This entire issue is making me see the worst in so many people. I can't imagine how it must actually feel to a Palestinian.
He's a donmeh