Not really there no rules in most all religions about "offing" apostates. But I do admit during the "dark ages" Spanish inquisition, and Spanish conquest of the "new world" they where being led by Satan. Ever read the Spanish requirements of 1513 ? The language used by the "church".pope. giving Spain gods permission to r@pe, murd r, plunder and pillage, and it is all the "natives fault for not accepting Jesus Christ as the only God.....
The funny thing is I was a Qurani before leaving Islam and I gave my family a whole explanation about how Mohammed didn't marry Isha when she was 6 and all the positive stuff. To just be shocked that my family don't actually have a problem with a grown ass man marrying a child even in the modern days, and when it happened to my younger sister and they were so happy for her. I gave up on both
@@Ratie36 Good question, I don't know the English term either. Maybe "Quranist"? But wow, I feel bad for your sister, do you know how she's doing today?
I've understood the term to be "Quranist". Sorry to hear about your experience with your sister marrying an older man. What was your thinking about Mohammad and Aisha when you believed?
@@bensweiss Thank you. Unfortunately I didn't have any thoughts about it because I just blindly believed and didn't have any opinions. But when I became a - quranist- 😅 I became a bit critical and noticed the mistakes in my religion
Great video, good points. There needs to be more recognition for exmuslims. You are all doing such an important job in informing people about islam. You guys should be on mainstream tv everywhere.
Your approach in this video was perfect. Not abrasive or arrogant. I think it’ll make many Muslims be forced to face the fact that there are rational reasons for questioning Islam. I think Muslims will actually watch this video in sincerity because of your demeanor!
I hope so too, I was thinking of Muslims as I was recording this video and considering how to share these ideas. It's important to show that we understand why Muslims have these misconceptions, so they can see it for themselves.
Fully agreed. His calm and collected demeanor is very valuable. A good example for all Islam/Christianity/Judaism critics to follow. The best islam critic in my opinion just for his approach, which is actually more productive in my view
I like your calmness and tranquility in busting these myths. I don't like for example apostate prophet's approach which is more inflammatory and mocking in its nature. I personally think your easy going character is more persuasive in making Muslims question their faith. Your approach is also more empathetic, it is undoubtedly more productive in making people question their faith without making fun of them or mocking them
Thank you for saying that, I do try to have empathy in all my approaches, no matter who it is. Apostate Prophet is popular because he allows people to vent their anger through his content, but in the end, I think it's a limited approach that will divide people instead of bring them together.
As one myself, from literally PAKISTAN, I face a lot of discrimination as well.. like yeah so WHAT if I left it, Muslims should have no business, but let me remember! I can already be put to death LOL for being an "apostate"... Then there's a swarm of muslims trying to invalidate my experiences and Knowledge like wth And again, I get a lot of hate because of my sexuality too. Would this be enough to file asylum case at this point 💀💀 I kinda think it's funny that my religious status and sexuality can get me off-ed or mob lynched in this country
I am not an ex-muslim but I am an ex-communicated one! My personal view, based upon my own research, my university study of Islam and tuition under a number of highly regarded muslim scholars, is that we don't have the real Islam. The "age of Aisha" argument is not as convincing as presented. Yes, as it is mentioned in Bukhari, to reject it causes an existential challenge to many scholars and lay people alike. I say this: historically Aisha could not have been a child. Crucially, the hadith in Bukhari is not authentic. Moreover, the original Bukhari does not exist. Argument: A complete 'Islam' as understood from hadith is impossible because: 1. Hadith fabrication began 120 years before the hadith narrators 2. The Prophet prohibited the writing of his sunnah 3. Bukhari rejected tens of thousands of hadith using a criteria based upon his assessment of the narrator, not the credibility of the text 4. The 'text' was less important than the isnaad Therefore hadith cannot be trusted beyond the point of personal piety. My experience. I am considered too woke or corrupt by many muslims and receive hatred on line. Muslim 'friends' mostly have nothing to do with me and those who remain avoid me mostly. I am considered too religious or ignorant by ex-muslims, many of whom seem to delight in using second hand christian arguments in order to Qur'an bash. Am I not entitled to my own quiet beliefs?
You are but so are they. And that belief that young girls can be married and the marriage consummated even if they are still children is extremely harmful. But you know that is also something that is in the Qur'an.
When a Muslim, I witnessed Islam, but I never witnessed Allah -there was no most-gracious, no most-merciful; no all-knowing, no all-caring, no all-powerful. There was just folks quick to anger if I refuse to attribute or submit everything to Him as if He was there. (All capitalisation not of my choosing.)
I read a comment on reddit once saying that Ex muslims endure a lot of scrutiny online and in person because over the past 40 years, Islam has become a political identity more so than a religious one. And it applies here. For some reason, the minute someone says that they no longer adhere to Islam, some lovely people from the ummah accuse ex muslims of being agents of western imperialism and will often accuse them of trying to appeal to racist, xenophobic Westerners who are white. Even if you don't support Western imperialism, are a survivor of it and hate what the west has done to you, and even if you are strongly opposed to the state of Israel and Zionist nonsense, they'll never be convinced. But hey, that's their problem. 🥰
i was raised muslim, but i converted to christianity (Lutheranism) a year ago. Atheism still gives me goosebumps but i so no hate toward muslims or athetist (they still gives me goosebumps when they say do they believe in God)
Is there anything as a cultural muslim? Do ex muslims keep some of their culto-religious practices like not eating pork, not drinking alcohol, maybe even doing Ramadan or there's no such thing normally among ex muslims? Does islam leave a cultural imprinting among its ex believers or nah?
Well I can only talk from what I see but I would say yes for some. I have an ex Muslim friend that doesn't eat porc, doesn't drink alcohol even though she truly dislikes the religion itself. For the porc she explained to me it would be equivalent to eating insects. She has been indoctrinated into thinking this animal is dirty and should not be eaten. Of course she knows it's not true but old habits die hard. As for alcohol it's simply that she is extremely careful around substances she knows have an effect on the brain. So she would rather not drink any.
@@labranehit7687 Makes sense. Similarly to ex-muslims, some ex believers of judaism also engage in the culto-religious practices of judaism and so does my catholic family. Lifelong religious norms are so pervasive that they become cultural norms. It's the organic process of secularisation, the actual belief fades (which is the most important) but few practices continue to persist in some as they've been absorbed in the cultural fabric. I just hope that as some ex-Muslims retain some practices for cultural reasons, it helps them be easier to be accepted in Islamic societies as those societies slowly evolve to be more tolerant (hopefully). While it may seem far-fetched today, these cultural-religious bridges could eventually play a role in normalizing apostasy. though it will take some time
I hate to be a stickler right now as a linguistics nerd but, finally! Another atheist who knows how to properly pronounce “Muslim“ and “Islam.“ as an atheist myself, I never get tired of the weird looks like it when I have the audacity to speak in a good Arabic accent when I use Islamic phrases 😂😂😂
You know what's so funny? An English-speaking friend saw one of my videos and said why do you pronounce Islam so weird like that? And I was like...you mean the way it's supposed to be pronounced? 🤣
@@SecularSpirit Yes! 👏 😂😂 I love being the type of language learner that everyone makes fun of. Especially as someone learning Spanish and Italian. Because I make sure to put the accents on, it’s always “Why you saying it like that?” Why are we weird because we speak foreign languages the way they’re SUPPOSED to be spoken? Especially since I’m British, so I better not speak a lick of Arabic or heads will judgmentally turn so fast, you have no idea 😂😂😂 I’m honestly considering subscribing. Keep it up bro 🤝🤗
This is a really sad video cause you say they're misconceptions then display the exact misconception you're mentioning: Misconception 1: - Why do bad things happen? How do we cope with death one day? --> life is a test, this life is meant to be filled with trials for all to see who will come out believing in god and who will abandon the belief. Whether you like this answer or not doesn't matter and hence proves exactly that you are coming from a strictly emotional side --> We cope with death knowing that this life isnt the main life and we are all meant to die one day to be eternally judged for our actions in this test. If you take a math exam, the timer is going to end at some point, you dont start wondering, "how do i cope with the fact this exam will end at some point"... again this is a strictly emotional argument so don't mention rationality lol. - A person is attacked or punished for committing bad sins -->Those things are horribly bad sins and your emotional subjective morality does not make it any less of a sin --> To your emotional self you might think "oh why is it so bad to have sex outside of marriage", to statistics, this means more children born in broken homes, more abortions, more sexually confused people, more teenage pregnancies. --> what youre displaying here is the same as a baby displays when they're pissed off their parents wont give them unlimited sugar. We don't necessarily have to wait for statistics to show up that Allah is right in his judgement but rather to understand and believe that it is the case then the statistics can back it up eventually or whatever. --> I need to stress this bigtime, just because YOU dont think having a boyfriend is bad, doesn't mean it isn't because you have completely subjective morals that are based on only your surrounding. Had you been in Naz1 Germany, you would've had no problem calling Jews a race worthy of extermination because that is the morals of the society. Misconception 2: - Drink, have alcohol, casual sex, lgbt --> again... TO YOU, EMOTIONALLY in your limited understanding of the world as is every other human, you might think oh yeah murder is bad but whats the problem with casual sex? Once again you're displaying the baby in a child-father relationship wondering why you cant have unlimited candy. Just because you might see the harm directly and not in another thing, doesn't make it any less true that 1/3rd of all fatal car accidents happen from a drunk driver... oh but I thought it doesn't harm anyone does it? Once again, displaying that it is deeply rooted in the emotional want to drink which is exactly the "misconception" you're displaying --> I didn't even delve into the others or even the million other harms in alcohol but just showing 1 disproves your point entirely. - "At least theyre not bad in moderation": -- No one who becomes an alcoholic thought they were going to purposely become an alcoholic, it's simply that they introduced that into their life that it reached them there. -- No teenage pregnant accident happens because the 2 14 year olds just randomly decided they wanted to have a child, it was on accident... -- I think you get the point Misconception 3: - I went to the west and was open to investigating the truth: -- Unless you were in some wifi deprived country or North Korea, you always had access to this knowledge you simply chose not to search about on you own time. -- You displayed in the previous misconceptions that you thought casual sex and alcohol and having a boyfriend girlfriend relationship is not a problem and that LGBT is completely fine which you couldn't have come to the conclusion of if it wasn't by the influence of the west. Most societies in the world have deemed LGBT as a problem and not okay but somehow you magically, without the influence of anyone, think it's completely fine. Okay. - Aisha RA: -- I love how you having the age omitted to YOU is proof that Muslims are ashamed of it or something, had you known who Aisha RA is or studied anything about her, you'd better understand your speech is and let's not get into the discussion of was she a child or not because we'd just go in circles and not agree but clearly you completely took the western conclusion and study on the matter which further proves the west's influence on you. Misconception 4: - Ex Muslims researching and becoming ex muslims: --> What you have here is confirmation bias, you only see the examples of the people who studied Islam further and left it because that's all the people you're surrounded by, the issue is you completely nullify and forget the hundreds of million others who study the deen further and fall head first into it realizing how much better it is than anything else in this world and how it is the truth for this life and the next. --> To check your doubts you should ask a shuyookh on the matters and ask them about it to get a consensus on the matter because what's happening here is you're saying that the ex muslims "studied Islam it more than ever have before"... well I too can study medicine and have it not make sense to me then say the entire industry of medicine is a sham, but that doesn't mean that medicine is a sham (which actually is what a lot of people do and you too would call them weirdos for thinking google can tell them more facts than a doctor). If I want to understand how something works in medicine or what it does, I would go to a doctor and ask questions about the matter, not Dr.Google. --> Side topic: every single reason you gave for leaving Islam so far is based on morality.. your own SUBJECTIVE EMOTIONAL morality... just saying. --> My quote: It takes one sentence to believe math is true, but it takes a PhD to try to disprove a mathematical theory :) (Your quote may sound smart but it actually is just a simple fact of reality that if you want to disprove something believed by millions or BILLIONS, you're going to need some accreditation, otherwise just leave and have ur casual sex without bothering the rest of us about it) Misconception 5: tbh this is just a conspiracy I totally believe that you don't believe in Islam anymore. Making entire channels on the matter and begging for donations on the daily to talk about the subject as a lot of ex-muslims do, however, is not a conspiracy) Misconception 6: This issue is also true for people who become Muslims when their family is athiest, so many stories of muslims who hide their entire life and so on. Reality is, when you change ideology from an entire family, the family is not going to be happy and sometimes you'd have to live a double life, so on so on as you mentioned. You or the ex-muslims aren't special for this but it doesnt negate any of Islam and its truth. Overall: --> I find it genuinely ironic how at the end you mention your patreon and paypal... --> You didn't mention a single argument that was not based on ur subjective morals as to why you left Islam, you keep flailing around the "evidences" and then jump straight back to your evidence which is based on subjective morality
I can address every single thing you mentioned. Since you took the time to write a long comment countering what I have said, would you also be willing to come on my channel to talk about these things in a conversation?
@@rayanallouzi8806 That's too bad, consider it an open offer. I might take your comment and address the points you make in a subsequent video, because I think they're worth getting into.
You keep talking about other people's 'subjective morals' but your 'objective morality' is based on the voices some guy heard in his head and on his claim that he heard them and that they were from God. That guy, ONE guy on whom it is all based was also a thief, murderer, womanizer and even had some mental health issues - quite unlike ANY other prophet in history. And even that 'objective morality' was changed, abrogated, there was Satan interfering when it was transferred, and sometimes even you Muslims have different (still objective, of course) opinions about what that objective morality requires of you. How is that objective? There is also lots of 'emotional' this and 'emotional' that in your comment but your emotions are also involved in your belief at least as much - in Islam there is so much talk about that hellfire and various punishments in the hereafter and on the other hand lots of what are really just bribes, most of them sleazy and pathetic - eternal e*ection, shy virgins, nonbleeding boys, there's also plenty of your problematic alcohol in there etc etc. As for 'life is a test, this life is meant to be filled with trials for all to see who will come out believing in god and who will abandon the belief' that's just a made-up nonsense. There are little Muslim babies who get killed together with their Muslim parents (in the earthquake in Turkey two years ago for example, or currently in Gaza) before they have been tested in any way at all. So at most SOME life is a test while some is used to test our faith in that 'merciful' God who both murders innocent Muslim kids, todlers and babies and also offers them a shortcut to heaven (where they will do what exactly, drink milk and eat chocolate forever and ever?) while other Muslims have to get tested and hopefully pass the test (I know, Allah knows best blah blah). You did write 'for all to see who will come out believing in god ...' because you probably realised how dumb it is for God to test this or that since He is All-knowing - still, why should we all see, most of the time we all have no clue what's happening with other people and their faith anyway. I could go on but this is already too long. We are going through a moral and spiritual development in this world so there are things we still don't know which allows cunning liars to bluff us with 'God said it, you don't like it and you don't understand it' etc. We already have reason and conscience (imho given to us by God, related to Him, interdependent!) so it's NOT all as emotional and subjective as you think. Please read Kant sometimes (and the Bible 🤣too), please stay safe no matter what.
Nope - you're wrong. God's not Dead is horribly cringe, but it's not the greatest bad movie of all time. I watched the 1986 film "King Kong 2" the other night - it's a sequel to a remake of a remake and it was hilariously bad. There's a scene where doctors have to do open heart surgery on Kong, for some reason - and they all stand around the gaping hole in Kong's chest poking around with giant forceps. I don't mean some specially constructed massive clamping machine - I mean a set of normal surgical forceps - just 50 times bigger than normal. Even down to the two giant holes you would put your fingers in to hold it...if your fingers were 5 feet long.
I may have to stand corrected...little did you know that I'm an avid fan of great bad movies, and yet, King Kong 2 wasn't on my radar. I must watch it and will report back. You had me at "giant forceps".
@@SecularSpirit I know right. I'd never heard of it before either - and I saw the - let me get this right - the original remake it was a sequel to, back in the day when I was a kid. I won't say anymore, I don't want to spoil it for you. It seems to have been released as King Kong Lives in some countries, so look out for it.
@@SecularSpirit dude spent 24 something years in jail because of... well just read the article on him by "freepresskashmir". look up "rage boy" followed by the name of the news website in mentioned.
@@SecularSpiritso why the exmuslim is obsessed with islam. I can provide videos of exmuslim youtubers who openly support Zionism .I thought exmuslim is for anti extreme but clearly for money. They will sell the personal life for wealth and fame.
Because islam is a totalitarian system which invade every part of the life of the practicionner As an ex-muslim in my country said : You can't even take a sh... in peace
@@tomahawk3645 Hi, I am from Saudi Arabia and stopped believing in the cult of islam around 12 years ago, excuse muslims for being mentally challenged, their drug "islam" is one of the worst drugs in the world, it causes mental challenges, illnesses, hinders the mind, morality, learning, rationality, reasoning, common sense and more, and it definitely makes the muslim say and do the most idiotic and evil things while thinking they are the smartest, wisest, most moral, most educated, most humane, most knowing human cattle to ever exist in the world, while being all the opposites of these things, I can start talking about islam and muslim but I can never finish talking about their flaws and false, delusional beliefs, excuse me for making this a long comment, Bi ..
The space to think... this is key
Exactly. Sometimes you need that space to think of the questions it never occurred to you to ask.
"that process of learning more about islam leads many of us to become exmuslims" spot on
It's true for pretty much every ex-Muslim I've met, and even converts who left after they learned more beyond the propaganda.
Great video! I think apostates from pretty much any religion can relate to this video. Happy Ex-Muslim awareness month!
Thank you, Andrew! Yep...the religious apologists all seem to be consulting the same manual 😅
@@SecularSpirit haha 😄 yup
Not really there no rules in most all religions about "offing" apostates. But I do admit during the "dark ages" Spanish inquisition, and Spanish conquest of the "new world" they where being led by Satan. Ever read the Spanish requirements of 1513 ? The language used by the "church".pope. giving Spain gods permission to r@pe, murd r, plunder and pillage, and it is all the "natives fault for not accepting Jesus Christ as the only God.....
The funny thing is I was a Qurani before leaving Islam and I gave my family a whole explanation about how Mohammed didn't marry Isha when she was 6 and all the positive stuff. To just be shocked that my family don't actually have a problem with a grown ass man marrying a child even in the modern days, and when it happened to my younger sister and they were so happy for her. I gave up on both
( I don't know the English term for Qurani or if there's one.. but it's basically a Muslim who only believes in Quran and not Sunnah)
@@Ratie36 Good question, I don't know the English term either. Maybe "Quranist"? But wow, I feel bad for your sister, do you know how she's doing today?
I've understood the term to be "Quranist". Sorry to hear about your experience with your sister marrying an older man. What was your thinking about Mohammad and Aisha when you believed?
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Thank you so much. She's doing fine I'm glad for that
@@bensweiss
Thank you. Unfortunately I didn't have any thoughts about it because I just blindly believed and didn't have any opinions. But when I became a - quranist- 😅 I became a bit critical and noticed the mistakes in my religion
Great video, good points. There needs to be more recognition for exmuslims. You are all doing such an important job in informing people about islam. You guys should be on mainstream tv everywhere.
Thank you so much: my hope is that this Ex-Muslim Awareness Month grows and gets some mainstream attention.
Your approach in this video was perfect. Not abrasive or arrogant. I think it’ll make many Muslims be forced to face the fact that there are rational reasons for questioning Islam. I think Muslims will actually watch this video in sincerity because of your demeanor!
I hope so too, I was thinking of Muslims as I was recording this video and considering how to share these ideas. It's important to show that we understand why Muslims have these misconceptions, so they can see it for themselves.
Fully agreed. His calm and collected demeanor is very valuable. A good example for all Islam/Christianity/Judaism critics to follow. The best islam critic in my opinion just for his approach, which is actually more productive in my view
I like your calmness and tranquility in busting these myths. I don't like for example apostate prophet's approach which is more inflammatory and mocking in its nature. I personally think your easy going character is more persuasive in making Muslims question their faith. Your approach is also more empathetic, it is undoubtedly more productive in making people question their faith without making fun of them or mocking them
Thank you for saying that, I do try to have empathy in all my approaches, no matter who it is. Apostate Prophet is popular because he allows people to vent their anger through his content, but in the end, I think it's a limited approach that will divide people instead of bring them together.
Excellent video as usual. All great points, especially reasonated with the needing to having a PHD to leave Islam.
Thank you Mohsin. The need to have a PhD is so frustrating because most Muslims don't have much knowledge about their own religion or its history.
Good video.. Make more videos
Great video ❤
التعصب الديني هو اخطر اشكال الجنون
As one myself, from literally PAKISTAN, I face a lot of discrimination as well.. like yeah so WHAT if I left it, Muslims should have no business, but let me remember! I can already be put to death LOL for being an "apostate"...
Then there's a swarm of muslims trying to invalidate my experiences and Knowledge like wth
And again, I get a lot of hate because of my sexuality too.
Would this be enough to file asylum case at this point 💀💀 I kinda think it's funny that my religious status and sexuality can get me off-ed or mob lynched in this country
I am not an ex-muslim but I am an ex-communicated one!
My personal view, based upon my own research, my university study of Islam and tuition under a number of highly regarded muslim scholars, is that we don't have the real Islam.
The "age of Aisha" argument is not as convincing as presented. Yes, as it is mentioned in Bukhari, to reject it causes an existential challenge to many scholars and lay people alike.
I say this: historically Aisha could not have been a child.
Crucially, the hadith in Bukhari is not authentic.
Moreover, the original Bukhari does not exist.
Argument:
A complete 'Islam' as understood from hadith is impossible because:
1. Hadith fabrication began 120 years before the hadith narrators
2. The Prophet prohibited the writing of his sunnah
3. Bukhari rejected tens of thousands of hadith using a criteria based upon his assessment of the narrator, not the credibility of the text
4. The 'text' was less important than the isnaad
Therefore hadith cannot be trusted beyond the point of personal piety.
My experience.
I am considered too woke or corrupt by many muslims and receive hatred on line.
Muslim 'friends' mostly have nothing to do with me and those who remain avoid me mostly.
I am considered too religious or ignorant by ex-muslims, many of whom seem to delight in using second hand christian arguments in order to Qur'an bash.
Am I not entitled to my own quiet beliefs?
You are but so are they. And that belief that young girls can be married and the marriage consummated even if they are still children is extremely harmful. But you know that is also something that is in the Qur'an.
Respect.
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When a Muslim, I witnessed Islam, but I never witnessed Allah -there was no most-gracious, no most-merciful; no all-knowing, no all-caring, no all-powerful. There was just folks quick to anger if I refuse to attribute or submit everything to Him as if He was there.
(All capitalisation not of my choosing.)
I read a comment on reddit once saying that Ex muslims endure a lot of scrutiny online and in person because over the past 40 years, Islam has become a political identity more so than a religious one.
And it applies here. For some reason, the minute someone says that they no longer adhere to Islam, some lovely people from the ummah accuse ex muslims of being agents of western imperialism and will often accuse them of trying to appeal to racist, xenophobic Westerners who are white.
Even if you don't support Western imperialism, are a survivor of it and hate what the west has done to you, and even if you are strongly opposed to the state of Israel and Zionist nonsense, they'll never be convinced.
But hey, that's their problem. 🥰
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i was raised muslim, but i converted to christianity (Lutheranism) a year ago. Atheism still gives me goosebumps but i so no hate toward muslims or athetist (they still gives me goosebumps when they say do they believe in God)
One thing ive noticed is that Ex-Muslims tend to be highly intelligent critical thinkers.
Is there anything as a cultural muslim? Do ex muslims keep some of their culto-religious practices like not eating pork, not drinking alcohol, maybe even doing Ramadan or there's no such thing normally among ex muslims? Does islam leave a cultural imprinting among its ex believers or nah?
Well I can only talk from what I see but I would say yes for some. I have an ex Muslim friend that doesn't eat porc, doesn't drink alcohol even though she truly dislikes the religion itself. For the porc she explained to me it would be equivalent to eating insects. She has been indoctrinated into thinking this animal is dirty and should not be eaten. Of course she knows it's not true but old habits die hard. As for alcohol it's simply that she is extremely careful around substances she knows have an effect on the brain. So she would rather not drink any.
@@labranehit7687 Makes sense. Similarly to ex-muslims, some ex believers of judaism also engage in the culto-religious practices of judaism and so does my catholic family. Lifelong religious norms are so pervasive that they become cultural norms. It's the organic process of secularisation, the actual belief fades (which is the most important) but few practices continue to persist in some as they've been absorbed in the cultural fabric.
I just hope that as some ex-Muslims retain some practices for cultural reasons, it helps them be easier to be accepted in Islamic societies as those societies slowly evolve to be more tolerant (hopefully).
While it may seem far-fetched today, these cultural-religious bridges could eventually play a role in normalizing apostasy. though it will take some time
Unfortunately, these misconceptions are propagated all the time without any attempt at critical examination
I hate to be a stickler right now as a linguistics nerd but, finally! Another atheist who knows how to properly pronounce “Muslim“ and “Islam.“ as an atheist myself, I never get tired of the weird looks like it when I have the audacity to speak in a good Arabic accent when I use Islamic phrases 😂😂😂
You know what's so funny? An English-speaking friend saw one of my videos and said why do you pronounce Islam so weird like that? And I was like...you mean the way it's supposed to be pronounced? 🤣
@@SecularSpirit Yes! 👏 😂😂 I love being the type of language learner that everyone makes fun of. Especially as someone learning Spanish and Italian. Because I make sure to put the accents on, it’s always “Why you saying it like that?” Why are we weird because we speak foreign languages the way they’re SUPPOSED to be spoken? Especially since I’m British, so I better not speak a lick of Arabic or heads will judgmentally turn so fast, you have no idea 😂😂😂 I’m honestly considering subscribing. Keep it up bro 🤝🤗
I saw all of those in r/extomatoes
Don’t use that image for the thumbnail. The guys sister was killed, and his face is being used as some kind of extremist Muslim.
😅Here in the UK, many people who came from muslim countries often become extremists.
Every little bit helps, even if it's to pronounce the word "islam" with a funny emphasis on the "A"
Hello! Thanks for this. Everyone has opinions and some people have more than one. Why are folks always dragging black folk into their discussions?
This is a really sad video cause you say they're misconceptions then display the exact misconception you're mentioning:
Misconception 1:
- Why do bad things happen? How do we cope with death one day?
--> life is a test, this life is meant to be filled with trials for all to see who will come out believing in god and who will abandon the belief. Whether you like this answer or not doesn't matter and hence proves exactly that you are coming from a strictly emotional side
--> We cope with death knowing that this life isnt the main life and we are all meant to die one day to be eternally judged for our actions in this test. If you take a math exam, the timer is going to end at some point, you dont start wondering, "how do i cope with the fact this exam will end at some point"... again this is a strictly emotional argument so don't mention rationality lol.
- A person is attacked or punished for committing bad sins
-->Those things are horribly bad sins and your emotional subjective morality does not make it any less of a sin
--> To your emotional self you might think "oh why is it so bad to have sex outside of marriage", to statistics, this means more children born in broken homes, more abortions, more sexually confused people, more teenage pregnancies.
--> what youre displaying here is the same as a baby displays when they're pissed off their parents wont give them unlimited sugar. We don't necessarily have to wait for statistics to show up that Allah is right in his judgement but rather to understand and believe that it is the case then the statistics can back it up eventually or whatever.
--> I need to stress this bigtime, just because YOU dont think having a boyfriend is bad, doesn't mean it isn't because you have completely subjective morals that are based on only your surrounding. Had you been in Naz1 Germany, you would've had no problem calling Jews a race worthy of extermination because that is the morals of the society.
Misconception 2:
- Drink, have alcohol, casual sex, lgbt
--> again... TO YOU, EMOTIONALLY in your limited understanding of the world as is every other human, you might think oh yeah murder is bad but whats the problem with casual sex? Once again you're displaying the baby in a child-father relationship wondering why you cant have unlimited candy. Just because you might see the harm directly and not in another thing, doesn't make it any less true that 1/3rd of all fatal car accidents happen from a drunk driver... oh but I thought it doesn't harm anyone does it? Once again, displaying that it is deeply rooted in the emotional want to drink which is exactly the "misconception" you're displaying
--> I didn't even delve into the others or even the million other harms in alcohol but just showing 1 disproves your point entirely.
- "At least theyre not bad in moderation":
-- No one who becomes an alcoholic thought they were going to purposely become an alcoholic, it's simply that they introduced that into their life that it reached them there.
-- No teenage pregnant accident happens because the 2 14 year olds just randomly decided they wanted to have a child, it was on accident...
-- I think you get the point
Misconception 3:
- I went to the west and was open to investigating the truth:
-- Unless you were in some wifi deprived country or North Korea, you always had access to this knowledge you simply chose not to search about on you own time.
-- You displayed in the previous misconceptions that you thought casual sex and alcohol and having a boyfriend girlfriend relationship is not a problem and that LGBT is completely fine which you couldn't have come to the conclusion of if it wasn't by the influence of the west. Most societies in the world have deemed LGBT as a problem and not okay but somehow you magically, without the influence of anyone, think it's completely fine. Okay.
- Aisha RA:
-- I love how you having the age omitted to YOU is proof that Muslims are ashamed of it or something, had you known who Aisha RA is or studied anything about her, you'd better understand your speech is and let's not get into the discussion of was she a child or not because we'd just go in circles and not agree but clearly you completely took the western conclusion and study on the matter which further proves the west's influence on you.
Misconception 4:
- Ex Muslims researching and becoming ex muslims:
--> What you have here is confirmation bias, you only see the examples of the people who studied Islam further and left it because that's all the people you're surrounded by, the issue is you completely nullify and forget the hundreds of million others who study the deen further and fall head first into it realizing how much better it is than anything else in this world and how it is the truth for this life and the next.
--> To check your doubts you should ask a shuyookh on the matters and ask them about it to get a consensus on the matter because what's happening here is you're saying that the ex muslims "studied Islam it more than ever have before"... well I too can study medicine and have it not make sense to me then say the entire industry of medicine is a sham, but that doesn't mean that medicine is a sham (which actually is what a lot of people do and you too would call them weirdos for thinking google can tell them more facts than a doctor). If I want to understand how something works in medicine or what it does, I would go to a doctor and ask questions about the matter, not Dr.Google.
--> Side topic: every single reason you gave for leaving Islam so far is based on morality.. your own SUBJECTIVE EMOTIONAL morality... just saying.
--> My quote: It takes one sentence to believe math is true, but it takes a PhD to try to disprove a mathematical theory :)
(Your quote may sound smart but it actually is just a simple fact of reality that if you want to disprove something believed by millions or BILLIONS, you're going to need some accreditation, otherwise just leave and have ur casual sex without bothering the rest of us about it)
Misconception 5: tbh this is just a conspiracy I totally believe that you don't believe in Islam anymore. Making entire channels on the matter and begging for donations on the daily to talk about the subject as a lot of ex-muslims do, however, is not a conspiracy)
Misconception 6:
This issue is also true for people who become Muslims when their family is athiest, so many stories of muslims who hide their entire life and so on.
Reality is, when you change ideology from an entire family, the family is not going to be happy and sometimes you'd have to live a double life, so on so on as you mentioned. You or the ex-muslims aren't special for this but it doesnt negate any of Islam and its truth.
Overall:
--> I find it genuinely ironic how at the end you mention your patreon and paypal...
--> You didn't mention a single argument that was not based on ur subjective morals as to why you left Islam, you keep flailing around the "evidences" and then jump straight back to your evidence which is based on subjective morality
I can address every single thing you mentioned. Since you took the time to write a long comment countering what I have said, would you also be willing to come on my channel to talk about these things in a conversation?
@@SecularSpirit I am not willing to give you more views than you'd get from me commenting, so respectfully, I refuse. Thanks.
@@rayanallouzi8806 That's too bad, consider it an open offer. I might take your comment and address the points you make in a subsequent video, because I think they're worth getting into.
You keep talking about other people's 'subjective morals' but your 'objective morality' is based on the voices some guy heard in his head and on his claim that he heard them and that they were from God. That guy, ONE guy on whom it is all based was also a thief, murderer, womanizer and even had some mental health issues - quite unlike ANY other prophet in history. And even that 'objective morality' was changed, abrogated, there was Satan interfering when it was transferred, and sometimes even you Muslims have different (still objective, of course) opinions about what that objective morality requires of you. How is that objective?
There is also lots of 'emotional' this and 'emotional' that in your comment but your emotions are also involved in your belief at least as much - in Islam there is so much talk about that hellfire and various punishments in the hereafter and on the other hand lots of what are really just bribes, most of them sleazy and pathetic - eternal e*ection, shy virgins, nonbleeding boys, there's also plenty of your problematic alcohol in there etc etc.
As for 'life is a test, this life is meant to be filled with trials for all to see who will come out believing in god and who will abandon the belief' that's just a made-up nonsense. There are little Muslim babies who get killed together with their Muslim parents (in the earthquake in Turkey two years ago for example, or currently in Gaza) before they have been tested in any way at all. So at most SOME life is a test while some is used to test our faith in that 'merciful' God who both murders innocent Muslim kids, todlers and babies and also offers them a shortcut to heaven (where they will do what exactly, drink milk and eat chocolate forever and ever?) while other Muslims have to get tested and hopefully pass the test (I know, Allah knows best blah blah). You did write 'for all to see who will come out believing in god ...' because you probably realised how dumb it is for God to test this or that since He is All-knowing - still, why should we all see, most of the time we all have no clue what's happening with other people and their faith anyway.
I could go on but this is already too long. We are going through a moral and spiritual development in this world so there are things we still don't know which allows cunning liars to bluff us with 'God said it, you don't like it and you don't understand it' etc. We already have reason and conscience (imho given to us by God, related to Him, interdependent!) so it's NOT all as emotional and subjective as you think. Please read Kant sometimes (and the Bible 🤣too), please stay safe no matter what.
Nope - you're wrong.
God's not Dead is horribly cringe, but it's not the greatest bad movie of all time.
I watched the 1986 film "King Kong 2" the other night - it's a sequel to a remake of a remake and it was hilariously bad.
There's a scene where doctors have to do open heart surgery on Kong, for some reason - and they all stand around the gaping hole in Kong's chest poking around with giant forceps.
I don't mean some specially constructed massive clamping machine - I mean a set of normal surgical forceps - just 50 times bigger than normal. Even down to the two giant holes you would put your fingers in to hold it...if your fingers were 5 feet long.
I may have to stand corrected...little did you know that I'm an avid fan of great bad movies, and yet, King Kong 2 wasn't on my radar. I must watch it and will report back. You had me at "giant forceps".
@@SecularSpirit
I know right. I'd never heard of it before either - and I saw the - let me get this right - the original remake it was a sequel to, back in the day when I was a kid.
I won't say anymore, I don't want to spoil it for you. It seems to have been released as King Kong Lives in some countries, so look out for it.
His name is shakeel ahmad bhat
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you should not use the picture of that man in your thumbnail. he is a Kashmiri who was protesting, and got turned into a meme.
What was he protesting for?
That's why I used it, he's Islamic Rage Boy.
@@SecularSpirit dude spent 24 something years in jail because of... well just read the article on him by "freepresskashmir". look up "rage boy" followed by the name of the news website in mentioned.
@@SecularSpiritso why the exmuslim is obsessed with islam. I can provide videos of exmuslim youtubers who openly support Zionism .I thought exmuslim is for anti extreme but clearly for money. They will sell the personal life for wealth and fame.
@@SecularSpiritwhy exmuslim overwhelmingly support Zionism. So if it's okay to support extremism when it benefits..
Avg 2 rakat for wudu fans :
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Why are Ex Muslims so obsessed with Islam?
Lol I knew I'd find one of these
Because islam is a totalitarian system which invade every part of the life of the practicionner
As an ex-muslim in my country said : You can't even take a sh... in peace
i agree, most leave islam based on emotional aspects so it sticks to them
Why are Muslims so obsessed with ex-muslims and supporting PDF files?
@@tomahawk3645 Hi, I am from Saudi Arabia and stopped believing in the cult of islam around 12 years ago, excuse muslims for being mentally challenged, their drug "islam" is one of the worst drugs in the world, it causes mental challenges, illnesses, hinders the mind, morality, learning, rationality, reasoning, common sense and more, and it definitely makes the muslim say and do the most idiotic and evil things while thinking they are the smartest, wisest, most moral, most educated, most humane, most knowing human cattle to ever exist in the world, while being all the opposites of these things, I can start talking about islam and muslim but I can never finish talking about their flaws and false, delusional beliefs, excuse me for making this a long comment, Bi ..
The ex muslims r touched by the spirit of the True god.
Don't even go there, don't market your own religion.
@ADesiMoon its not marketing . They r touched and convicted by the true god. Allah and MUHAMAD MUHAMAD r partners
@@dominicfernandes-o5t whatever, Abrahamic religions ain't it. I'd rather believe in a spiritual one
Bad video bad points.