Man I tried Auto Align, and it's really good, quite useful, saves a lot of time, I always check phase, but this is new for me, will definitely try it out!
This plug-in is more about time alignment than phase alignment. Phase shifts introduced with filtering(for example, Eq on a parallel track) will not compensate with this. Using two amplifiers always causes randomness in the spectrum when mixed together, even if both signals arrive at the same time. However, this is not always a problem. Sounds with completely different dynamic response(completely different gain structures) mix quite well. But even two sounds that do ugly phasing mixed in equal proportions can be balanced by levels in such a way that the final effect will be more interesting than from a single source, but in that case one of the signals must be much quieter.
This IS something different! I have "phase-alignment" plug-ins, but this definitely has a creative aspect with the mixer. I love, love, LOVE what you've done with the acoustic guitar example! Very cool. PS: Why doesn't this channel have more subscribers?! You have very useful information here. And I don't even do metal.
This can also be used to mix stereo guitar tracks after separating them into their own mono tracks. It looks like multiple tracks must be used if four stereo tracks are used from a single DI source. So after splitting into mono, it would take six instances of this plugin to reblend all four stereo mixes back into one stereo stem. While the norm is to hard pan two guitar DI's left and right, I instead mix and pan two guitar stereo stems partially to the left and partially to right. Sometimes if I use the hard panning, I use a third mono centered track as well. Each of these three techniques creates different stereo imaging. Sometimes it is good to try all three to find which best fits the mix, and sometimes use any and all techniques on the whole mix of the song. This plugin to automatically fix phase issues is absolutely going to resolve complicated layering.
What do you mean with a stereo guitar track? If you are talking about efx, then you should simply do the correction before the efx. I don’t know any reason why an electric guitar should be stereo except for efx. If you are talking about acoustic guitars, miked in stereo, you can simply get away by using one side of the stereo signal as a sidechain trigger for the plug-in. No need to phase correct each side separately. That even makes things worse. Because you don’t want to change the relation of the two stereo channels.
What do you mean with a stereo guitar track? If you are talking about efx, then you should simply do the correction before the efx. I don’t know any reason why an electric guitar should be stereo except for efx. If you are talking about acoustic guitars, miked in stereo, you can simply get away by using one side of the stereo signal as a sidechain trigger for the plug-in. No need to phase correct each side separately. That even makes things worse. Because you don’t want to change the relation of the two stereo channels.
@@KohleAudioKult I have several dozen Kontakt, Amplesound and other types of guitar sample libraries. Shreddage has quad tracking with DI support which such libraries are already phased corrected on the DI tracks, or as one would assume. But I use multiple brands so phasing is going to be an issue. I deliberately blend various distortions, cabs and impulse responses which does cause noticeable phasing issues from time to time. Some of my sample libraries do not have a DI track either to which I do find useful and some already are double tracked and processed which I do turn off whenever possible any reverb or delay efx, unless it produces the desired effect I want. These are stereo libraries already, some of which already have pre-processed distorted tones. Layering multiple libraries creates the tones that I choose. Sometimes phasing is not an issue at all but rather produces a desired scooped effect, but that is not the norm because then I have to make all the other tracks fit. Using an app like this will help me to also identify phasing issues beforehand because remixing guitar stems with phase issues often causes unwanted issues before the final mixdown and may need to be redone entirely. I do record my own limited guitar performances as well. I use both pedal boards and plugins interchangeably for both performance and libraries. I realize and deliberately do not conform to production techniques except where it is necessary. While standard mixing and producing guitar tracks produces well established pleasing guitar tones, I use my own experimental techniques to discover new tones. Since I travel and stay in hotels half the year doing construction (I use to try to lug my gear around), I do not have the luxury of making noise so I never have bought a guitar amp, although plan on doing so in the next year along with a professional reamp box to which I may have to build a soundproof box to put it in.
Hallo Kristian, vielen Dank für diese Empfehlung .. ich hab es gleich gekauft und es 15 min getestet mit einem für mich grandiosem Ergebnis ... Danke und Gruß Christian aus dem tiefsten Süden von Deutschland
I actually did manually that acoustic stereo trick for a demo and it worked so well. Two mics aligned to make one take stereo and it sounded amazing. Also the part recorded was just one guy vibing without click so double tracking that would have been pretty much impossible.:D I have waves something something align plugin and it works but this ones UI looks more user friendly and maybe has some usefull bells and whistles too.
I used MAutoAlign by Melda and before that drawing in an impulse into the DI, measuring the distance and then adjusting with Nudge tool in Reaper. It's time consuming as shit. I'm curious about this and the other AutoAlign 2 how do they fare against each other.
@@forwardaudio hmm, Kohle did a great one already, hard to beat, haha. But it definitely looks like something I’d use frequently (I’m dual miking cabs a lot), would love to compare it to my old method, this definitely looks like the quicker and more effective way.
Hey Kristian, what do you think will happen if I use it with two signal coming from a MIMIQ pedal? Do you think the MIMIQ pedal split the signal already in phase enough that the plugin would do pretty much nothing? Or maybe it will try to phase align both signal ruining the MIMIQ's effect?
The Mimiq does something different. It creates fake doubles from a single guitar track. This plugin adjust the phase relation of two different signals of the same source.
Quick question. If I have the same DI from the guitar going to two different amp sims, is it likely to have phase issues? I'm assuming no, but better ask. :) Thanks in advance.
@@forwardaudio thank you! I'm definetely interested. I only use midi guitars but I stay away from creating tones with multiple amps and multiple IRs exactly because I don't like the result. From this video, I get the feeling I could be testing more if I addressed these issues. Do you have a trial? I'd love to give it a shot and maybe do a first impressions on my channel.
@@synapticschism Yeah, I can understand that. Even if you use IRs, if you combine multiple you run into phase issues as well. Although I would recommend our plugin faIRmageddon for that. That one phase aligns IRs too.
Would be amazing if that worked in ARA. You'd insert a "Listen" plugin on the two mono tracks, do the processing and then offline bounce out a new stereo file
Yes. Really good plugin too. I just preferred the layout of this one. And it’s half the price. I should get you inside the Kult btw. I’ll be in touch. 😜
I am a big fan of Vocal Align for this type of work. It is a different workflow but I find it far more efficient than this. This does what it is supposed to do, but I just don’t think it is the best at what it does.
I use autoalign from sound radix and that's great for bass, acoustic bass and guitar. But it's kinda sad because I could save some money on this plugin
Well, I bought it, and it just keeps crashing on Cubase 12. Can't do anything with it. Oh well, it's not like my budget is already super tight or anything 🙃
Sorry for that. Guess you gotta get in touch with the support. But I guess it’s something on your side. It runs super smooth in Cubase on several machines here.
I tried Waves In Phase for this, but the results are not that good and it is counterintuitive in use. Your channel is bad for my bank account but I keep finding great tools for recording.
Nope. It’s basically a full-Range delay. The interesting part is that it finds the right setting for you. The other thing I really enjoy is to be able to blend tracks without any volume changes. That makes it so much easier. But of course you can do that manually as well. That’s a good training!
Hi Kohle!!! Great video. I am part of the Kult for a year now, but I don't have what I have to do to get the plugin!! It sends me to the main page, but I have to purchase it!! I'd thank any help. Thank you very much, and for everybody: JUST ENROLL TO THE KULT!! it's the best thing you will do1!
Kann man das mit dem Cubase-Align-Werkzeug nicht auch hinbekommen? Da ginge es auch noch mit mehr als 2 Signalen. Das Tool klingt schon gut, aber dass es nur zwei Signale verarbeiten kann, halte ich für ein Manko.
@@KohleAudioKult Ja, wenn ich eine E-Gitarre mit Mikrofonen abnehme, dann verändert sich die Phasenverschiebung ja nicht. Das kann man in Cubase auch direkt als Versatz an der Spur einstellen. Ich denke da eher an das Problem bei akustische Gitarre, weil man sich als Spieler beim Spielen immer ein wenig bewegt. Passt das Plugin den Versatz immer dynamisch an? Das wäre schon cool.
How do you like "Guitar Align"?
And who of you am I gonna see inside the KULT? 🤩
Man I tried Auto Align, and it's really good, quite useful, saves a lot of time, I always check phase, but this is new for me, will definitely try it out!
This definitely opens up a lot of new possibilities. Glad to be in the Kult from day one! 🤘
Do you have educational coupons for teachers on the Kult quarterly plan membership?
VERY cool plug in! Going to be demoing it very soon! Thanks Kristian!
Great to hear that! Looking forward to your review!
@@KohleAudioKult you're the man!
This plug-in is more about time alignment than phase alignment. Phase shifts introduced with filtering(for example, Eq on a parallel track) will not compensate with this. Using two amplifiers always causes randomness in the spectrum when mixed together, even if both signals arrive at the same time. However, this is not always a problem. Sounds with completely different dynamic response(completely different gain structures) mix quite well. But even two sounds that do ugly phasing mixed in equal proportions can be balanced by levels in such a way that the final effect will be more interesting than from a single source, but in that case one of the signals must be much quieter.
This IS something different! I have "phase-alignment" plug-ins, but this definitely has a creative aspect with the mixer. I love, love, LOVE what you've done with the acoustic guitar example! Very cool.
PS: Why doesn't this channel have more subscribers?! You have very useful information here. And I don't even do metal.
I do that by moving the wave when fully zoomed in but first i also record a dry string pluck and check the alignment of the mics
GENIUS. Gah. Thank you for posting this, I gotta do the pluck maneuver now.
@@monkeyplusplus hell yeah go pluck those damn strings ha
I bought this plugin after watching this video. I am very satisfied.
Great to hear!
Wow I'm blown away. The difference is insane.
Need this for guitars. Wow
This can also be used to mix stereo guitar tracks after separating them into their own mono tracks. It looks like multiple tracks must be used if four stereo tracks are used from a single DI source. So after splitting into mono, it would take six instances of this plugin to reblend all four stereo mixes back into one stereo stem. While the norm is to hard pan two guitar DI's left and right, I instead mix and pan two guitar stereo stems partially to the left and partially to right. Sometimes if I use the hard panning, I use a third mono centered track as well. Each of these three techniques creates different stereo imaging. Sometimes it is good to try all three to find which best fits the mix, and sometimes use any and all techniques on the whole mix of the song. This plugin to automatically fix phase issues is absolutely going to resolve complicated layering.
What do you mean with a stereo guitar track?
If you are talking about efx, then you should simply do the correction before the efx.
I don’t know any reason why an electric guitar should be stereo except for efx.
If you are talking about acoustic guitars, miked in stereo, you can simply get away by using one side of the stereo signal as a sidechain trigger for the plug-in. No need to phase correct each side separately. That even makes things worse. Because you don’t want to change the relation of the two stereo channels.
What do you mean with a stereo guitar track?
If you are talking about efx, then you should simply do the correction before the efx.
I don’t know any reason why an electric guitar should be stereo except for efx.
If you are talking about acoustic guitars, miked in stereo, you can simply get away by using one side of the stereo signal as a sidechain trigger for the plug-in. No need to phase correct each side separately. That even makes things worse. Because you don’t want to change the relation of the two stereo channels.
@@KohleAudioKult I have several dozen Kontakt, Amplesound and other types of guitar sample libraries. Shreddage has quad tracking with DI support which such libraries are already phased corrected on the DI tracks, or as one would assume. But I use multiple brands so phasing is going to be an issue. I deliberately blend various distortions, cabs and impulse responses which does cause noticeable phasing issues from time to time. Some of my sample libraries do not have a DI track either to which I do find useful and some already are double tracked and processed which I do turn off whenever possible any reverb or delay efx, unless it produces the desired effect I want. These are stereo libraries already, some of which already have pre-processed distorted tones. Layering multiple libraries creates the tones that I choose. Sometimes phasing is not an issue at all but rather produces a desired scooped effect, but that is not the norm because then I have to make all the other tracks fit. Using an app like this will help me to also identify phasing issues beforehand because remixing guitar stems with phase issues often causes unwanted issues before the final mixdown and may need to be redone entirely. I do record my own limited guitar performances as well. I use both pedal boards and plugins interchangeably for both performance and libraries. I realize and deliberately do not conform to production techniques except where it is necessary. While standard mixing and producing guitar tracks produces well established pleasing guitar tones, I use my own experimental techniques to discover new tones. Since I travel and stay in hotels half the year doing construction (I use to try to lug my gear around), I do not have the luxury of making noise so I never have bought a guitar amp, although plan on doing so in the next year along with a professional reamp box to which I may have to build a soundproof box to put it in.
Hallo Kristian, vielen Dank für diese Empfehlung .. ich hab es gleich gekauft und es 15 min getestet mit einem für mich grandiosem Ergebnis ... Danke und Gruß Christian aus dem tiefsten Süden von Deutschland
Geilo! Freut mich!
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The AEA sounds great.
I actually did manually that acoustic stereo trick for a demo and it worked so well. Two mics aligned to make one take stereo and it sounded amazing. Also the part recorded was just one guy vibing without click so double tracking that would have been pretty much impossible.:D I have waves something something align plugin and it works but this ones UI looks more user friendly and maybe has some usefull bells and whistles too.
Dude you always show us something really new! This plugin is amazing
Happy to hear that! Thanks!
Nice sounding acoustic.
Thanks. There will be a video about that recording session soon. Stay tuned.
Thank you for this great video, Kristian! Don't forget to join the Kult people! It's worth it.
Thanks mate! Great work on the plugin! 🤘❤️
I used MAutoAlign by Melda and before that drawing in an impulse into the DI, measuring the distance and then adjusting with Nudge tool in Reaper. It's time consuming as shit. I'm curious about this and the other AutoAlign 2 how do they fare against each other.
Looks very useful!
Thank you! You can make a demo video if you'd like ;-).
@@forwardaudio hmm, Kohle did a great one already, hard to beat, haha.
But it definitely looks like something I’d use frequently (I’m dual miking cabs a lot), would love to compare it to my old method, this definitely looks like the quicker and more effective way.
Just bought it. Love it!
Enjoy!
Fooking amazing!!!
Great plugin! Thanks for the video!
Does this do a different job from Sound Radix's auto align?
Nope. But it’s easier to setup at half the price!
Cool man! Sounds really good, this plugin can definitely save a life! Way easier to deal with phase !
Hey Kristian, what do you think will happen if I use it with two signal coming from a MIMIQ pedal? Do you think the MIMIQ pedal split the signal already in phase enough that the plugin would do pretty much nothing? Or maybe it will try to phase align both signal ruining the MIMIQ's effect?
Would love to hear a A/B with the Mimic. Or do see this more as a one sound guitar tone?
The Mimiq does something different.
It creates fake doubles from a single guitar track.
This plugin adjust the phase relation of two different signals of the same source.
Quick question. If I have the same DI from the guitar going to two different amp sims, is it likely to have phase issues? I'm assuming no, but better ask. :) Thanks in advance.
So if I watched the whole video I'd get my answer... my bad.
We do have a video on our channel too showcasing how to align DI and amped signals. So definetely a yes!
@@forwardaudio thank you! I'm definetely interested. I only use midi guitars but I stay away from creating tones with multiple amps and multiple IRs exactly because I don't like the result. From this video, I get the feeling I could be testing more if I addressed these issues. Do you have a trial? I'd love to give it a shot and maybe do a first impressions on my channel.
@@synapticschism Yeah, I can understand that. Even if you use IRs, if you combine multiple you run into phase issues as well. Although I would recommend our plugin faIRmageddon for that. That one phase aligns IRs too.
@@forwardaudio I still have the multiple amp sims part to deal with. Can faIRmageddon deal with both amp sims and IRs?
Fantastic plugin!😮
so far , i've been using a Radial Phazer to get a good analog blend of Guitar Cabs,
i'll try this !~thank you
Great video great plugin. Thank you bro
More than welcome! 🤘
Has it been snowing in your Cubase?
Kind of. I hate those grey backgounrds all modern prigrams have.
Nugen Aligner was free when I got it years ago. Doe’s the same thing.
Used this and pi from sound radix for a bit. Definitely improves mixes!
Is that to me only sounds the unplugined version way better?
If that’s the case, I’m pretty sure there’s something wrong with your monitoring.
Would be amazing if that worked in ARA. You'd insert a "Listen" plugin on the two mono tracks, do the processing and then offline bounce out a new stereo file
Good idea!
How to handle more than 2 sources?
My exact question. What do I do when I have many mics on a cab?
Oh, probably would use the sidechain
Then you have to add several instances in serial.
@@KohleAudioKult when you do it in serial (all aligning to 1 source) can you still blend with the faders? Or do you use the plugin to blend them?
@@KohleAudioKult, sounds a little bit like pita 🙂 .
Awesome! Have u tried SoundRadix Auto Align2?
Yes. Really good plugin too.
I just preferred the layout of this one. And it’s half the price.
I should get you inside the Kult btw. I’ll be in touch. 😜
Yeah, i use it on drums and gettind pretty awesome results. Kult sounds cool too!
My initial reaction: "holy shit"🤯
OF COURSE this plug-in comes out RIGHT AFTER I get done final mix and mastering of TWO albums that I could have used it on...
What a wonderful tool and a wonderful explanation! Does it make a job similar to Autoalign from Sound Radix?
Yes. Same concept at least.
Does this work with IRs as well?
Sure!
The plugin just analyses the incoming audio.
The second example in the video IS a correction of two IRs basically.
I am a big fan of Vocal Align for this type of work. It is a different workflow but I find it far more efficient than this.
This does what it is supposed to do, but I just don’t think it is the best at what it does.
I also have vocalign and it has been the biggest pain in the butt plugin I have used in my entire career. 😩 At least in Cubase.
I wonder if it can be used for vocal as well, if we record with 2 mics.
For instance WA - 87 (far distance) and SM7B (close distance).
Still no M-Version for mac? I like the plugin but it feels like they abandonned development a while ago 😢
Sorry for that. As a Windows guy I usually don’t pay attention to the Mac world.
The M version is coming soon. faSampleDelay for example is already available for the latest M-Macs.
@@forwardaudio Still coming soon? It's been another 3 months and it's the only plugin I have to bridge in Reaper.
@@acklin83 The M1 version is out for months now and is widely used. Please check if you have the latest version.
@@forwardaudio Sorry for my snarky remark - the plugin somehow stuck in the "failed to scan" section in Reaper. Works perfectly, all my fault.
I use autoalign from sound radix and that's great for bass, acoustic bass and guitar. But it's kinda sad because I could save some money on this plugin
Indeed!
I have 2 guitars left and 2 right, If I understood correctly you have to put this plugin in the guitar group ?
Yes.
In that case it might be cleaner to use two groups though.
Well this is an answer to a lot of problems. Thanks for exposing!
I use the Brainworx Shredspread for this purpose, but this one sounds more....metal?
Isn’t that just a Stereo Spreader?
Didn’t know it could intelligently adjust the phase.
how about overheads?
I’m not a fan of aligning overhead and room mics. It’s the delay that makes them sound „right“.
Well, I bought it, and it just keeps crashing on Cubase 12. Can't do anything with it. Oh well, it's not like my budget is already super tight or anything 🙃
Sorry for that. Guess you gotta get in touch with the support. But I guess it’s something on your side. It runs super smooth in Cubase on several machines here.
Wow, That's great! I'm a member so how do I get it. Do need a promo Code?
Yes. Tomorrow!
Secret weapon 👌
I tried Waves In Phase for this, but the results are not that good and it is counterintuitive in use. Your channel is bad for my bank account but I keep finding great tools for recording.
Is the end result it just finds a delay for one channel? Or is it dynamic in someway or multiband?
Nope. It’s basically a full-Range delay. The interesting part is that it finds the right setting for you.
The other thing I really enjoy is to be able to blend tracks without any volume changes. That makes it so much easier.
But of course you can do that manually as well. That’s a good training!
@@KohleAudioKultNot sure what you mean by full range but they need more details if they want to sell a lot of these.
Hi Kohle!!! Great video.
I am part of the Kult for a year now, but I don't have what I have to do to get the plugin!! It sends me to the main page, but I have to purchase it!! I'd thank any help.
Thank you very much, and for everybody: JUST ENROLL TO THE KULT!! it's the best thing you will do1!
Hey! 🤘
There’s a video in the Tavern that explains it.
Just wait until July 1st. Then we’re gonna send the license to all Kultists!
@@KohleAudioKult Oopps I haven't seen that video still!!! Sorry!! and thank you very much!!!
All good, buddy!
Anyone tried this quad amp blend on 2 di compared to the Mimic style making quads amps of 2 di? What sounds best?
The EQed AEA sounds fantastic by itself.
Absolutely! As bright as a condenser but less edgy. That was eye-opening for me.
I don't know, you can also do the same thing mixing the two tracks into a mono track, isn't that weirdly simple?! I don't know. Namastè.
😵💫
This thing shifts one of the tracks so they both are in phase. That’s the important part. Not the mono summing.
Exactly, mono summing or stereo widening was just an extra function. The icing on the cake. The main aspect is the automatic phase alignment.
This man is goated forever as far as guitar tones are concerned.
Agreed!
Thank you Forward Audio can't wait to load it up then :D KaK rules
You're welcome!
Something else I gotta buy now ❓🤣
I received nothing 😪😪😪😪
Then get in touch with the Kult support!
Ничего уникального, тоже самое можно делать в каком-нибудь гитарном VST типа Kuassa или тот же Neural DSP.
Which Neural DSP plugin corrects the phase of the mics on my acoustic guitar?
Wow
Kann man das mit dem Cubase-Align-Werkzeug nicht auch hinbekommen? Da ginge es auch noch mit mehr als 2 Signalen. Das Tool klingt schon gut, aber dass es nur zwei Signale verarbeiten kann, halte ich für ein Manko.
Du kannst das auch einfach mit einem Delay hinbekommen. Ist nur bei weitem nicht so schnell und komfortabel.
@@KohleAudioKult Ja, wenn ich eine E-Gitarre mit Mikrofonen abnehme, dann verändert sich die Phasenverschiebung ja nicht. Das kann man in Cubase auch direkt als Versatz an der Spur einstellen. Ich denke da eher an das Problem bei akustische Gitarre, weil man sich als Spieler beim Spielen immer ein wenig bewegt. Passt das Plugin den Versatz immer dynamisch an? Das wäre schon cool.
Isnt this simular to phase alignment in three body's Cabinetron plugin?
I like your content, but please chill with clickbait.
Relax, dude. It's called "a sense of humor." Dig it.
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Oh, hey, another plug-in….😅
No
Useless.