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ScannerDanner Btw I have come to notice that some test light flicker tests when checking for spark isn’t always as accurate with led style test lights. Best to use the older style test lights for those tests.
@@Mechaniclyfe yes, never use an LED type light for this type of testing, first you risk cooking the light and second, very low voltages still make these lights look the same as higher voltage. I almost never use an LED light for troubleshooting. The test light I used in this video is an incandescent style bulb and it is listed on my Amazon affiliate link above in the pinned comment. It is around $20 for that light
FINALLY! Old school OBD1 diagnosis! Now we're talking. Now, we're in my area of diagnosis. Test lights and flow charts.However, I did enjoy seeing the lab scope used to verify your diagnosis. Thanks , Paul. Great video on control of coil circuit.
FINALLY! A video on a GM OBDI car. And on an engine that I actually have! On that engine, every ignition related part is difficult to gain access to. Two digit fault codes and 50 data PIDs. Aahhh, the good old days. A great video. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much for this video. This was my exact problem on my c4. I used noid lights, a test light and a multi-meter and was able to follow along. Also, my car (1996 OBD-II) did not throw any codes. The car died while driving and would not restart, all fixed. Thanks!
Paul and James, I truly enjoy your videos. Just sent in my monthly subscription and will continue to be a part of your class for as long as you put out videos. Watch your regular and new and improved classes all the time. Your son Caleb is also a big part of your success as he does a great job of editing and the asking of questions all us novices would ask. I know aircraft inside and out and now want to know automotive electronics inside and out. Thank you for that opportunity and answering any questions I might have. Thank everyone involved its a true family effort. also, thank Rosedale Tech for allowing you to do it. Great job ❤️️ Paul I wanted to mention your brother James shop is quite large. Looks like a friendly place to work. Best of luck to all
Thank you Arthur! I agree, Caleb adds an element that I cannot recreate without him and he has gotten really, really good with editing. Although I take the credit for this one. Caleb has about 2 weeks left before he graduates, then I get to have him full time! I am so looking forward to this and you guys will definitely benefit from him being around more. It has been rough the past few months as he has the lead role in the schools musical/play and he's at practice 5 days a week, then leads church worship on Sundays. No time for SD right now, but that is changing soon!! Thank you for helping me make this possible. UA-cam ad revenue alone simple doesn't pay the bills.
The dtc 41 will set if the PCM sees more than 4.6 volts while cranking the engine. The IC signal goes between 0.5 to 4.5 volts. Great video and glad to see you working with your brother 👍. You two are awesome teachers and techs.
For me it's a higher level diagnostic case study involving various potentially defective parts living in different locations. Thank you so much for sharing the knowledge! 👍
Danner, I'm not quite sure whats changed be it softwor techniques. Either way your video editing and flow is insanely better than it was years back. It still worked back then and got the point across. Its just amazing now. Great video Danner(s)
I'm so glad you made this comment. I really have learned how to enhance the videos with still pictures or previous scenes and also the addition of arrows for what I am talking about. It really take a long time to do this! This video was about 6 or 7 hours of editing and as I was completing this, I was thinking to myself, is it worth the time? Sounds like it was!! Thank you so much
As a Corvette fan I appreciate that your keeping them running! Your editing is fantastic Paul. It's always a pleasure to watch your videos. It's very apparent that you take pride in your work. And congratulations on having a shop bay. Nothing to do with this video but I wanted to thank you for all the videos over the years. I recently fixed a vehicle that went to other shops. They gave up. Your classes and videos were instrumental to me in how I found the issue. (2006 Dodge Ram, intermittent crank, no start).
Yep Danner was right smart people always had a spare module in the glove box. High failure rate with ignition module along with rotor burn thru, coil failure & distributor cap carbon tracking. Great video and look forward to seeing you guys working together.
Awesome video. Helped me find out my problem with my 96. The issue I’m having now is finding a good ICM. I bought a delco, Delphi, and a Napa but all were junk.
This was the problem with my 92 vette..shop said Opti spark ..then did some testing and called back and said ICM...wow from 1400 to 400.00...great video
Engine stopped in parking lot with no warning. Just did these checks on my '85 Corvette. No flash on the test light. New cap rotor, they were shot even though I replaced them 1 year ago. Coil had power, replaced it and ICM. Is running great now!
"Old Rattletraps"? My '87 C4 L98 is hurt by that comment. Truly cut to the quick. LOL. Great video, thank you. I have similar problems but it takes about 90 minutes before I get the performance drop and attempt to stall.
Thanks for this video! My 1992 C4 just threw this 41 code this weekend. You've just saved me a whole lot of head scratching. Now I know where to focus my attention. It's likely I have the exact same problem, which requires the exact same solution. Now I know how to check it out properly. Hopefully that will have my Corvette running again very soon.
@@tracycolorado haha nah, we're past those days, plus I don't work for him, what we do is mutually beneficial for each other. It is a win, win. If I worked FOR him, you would be right, there would be issues
Great video, wish I knew more about how to use these tech devices but these types of videos always help, thanks it guided me in the right direction to troubleshoot some issues on my vette. Thanks
Hey Scanner you're technical so you'll get this. White balance is all about colour tint in any given light. What you were talking about, with respect, is contrast. Loving your work man thanks.
Love seeing you and your brother together! SO happy for you guys. We'll never forget the Ranger and the 'Vette - the 2 first diag vids from Danner's new shop! 👍👍 I had never even seen an Optispark system until just recently, when a family friend bought a mid-90's Camaro. Car ended up being more than he bargained for, so he got rid of it - I never got to play around with it (probably a good thing from the looks of it). No idea why GM went that route - I think the HEI was 20x more reliable, at least after each system got 15 or more years on them (IMO). Even the flat distributors on the first OBD-II trucks were a cross-firing, moisture-trapping nightmare. GM never likes to stick with what works ... great for us, but annoying when you own one! Appreciate all your hard work on these vids, Paul! Can't imagine the hours this took to piece together. GREAT job! THANK YOU!! 🍻
Perfect... as always Paul..Thank you so much,once again..Don't bother with shots and white balance.Your videos are fine and we will always follow you ...
One Thing i do admit Your lighting on the actual lighting on the components is very good..BETTER then eny videos i have seen.wich is excellent.THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR..HUMBLELIZUM...SHOP..JOKE.
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That’s a bad place to put a module. The failure rate is high when they sit on the hot engine. You’d think they would be smarter then that. Ford knew it and moved it. Smart thing to do is move the module or make an insulater to mount it to. No doubt it’s gonna happen again.
and pretty much every gm products of that era, same module, same heat sink, just different location. often caused by the junk flat-pack dist cap/rotor and wires killing the coil ;)
@@throttlebottle5906 the LT1, 92-96 Vettes have the good 'ol Optispark distributor mounted to the front of the engine. Looks like an octopus. 1992 and 93 models that have a water pump leak will turn the Opti into green goo. Coolant drips right into it, improvements to seal up the Opti were made in '94. It is driven by a pin turning at the end of the camshaft.
@@ozzstars_cars "anti-spark" is more fitting a term :)) right, big ugly flat cap and other gm's had similar but in standard rear distributor location, they'd always burn through internally and you'll get multiple cylinders firing at once, regardless of the button direction and that's without any green crusties from coolant leak! seems a good candidate for electric water pumps, but i don't recall if there ever was such a thing for them..
And the mounting of the icm, right on the hot head. We put nuts on the bolts behind them, to make make them stand off the head and allow air flow behind the icm.
I am about as amateur as you can be. I can replace parts and some basic troubleshooting but I love the logic you lay out here. Very solid help.I do not have a cool scanner, Danner. I have one of these boat anchors in a 1994 S10 Blazer, painless wiring harness and MSD coil and distributor. Crank no start. I have signal at the injectors, I have signal at the coil, I have fuel pressure, but no spark at the spark plugs. Can anyone "talk me off the edge of the cliff" cuz I feel I should replace the opti but I want to be sure. ICM I did replace.
@@ScannerDanner if there were wiring mods, it was done by the previous owner. However, everything seems to be coming off of, or connecting to, original wiring harnesses or to the Painless harness. It ran and drove, i let it sit and then it would not start.
@@Muddytrickle okay, is spark good at the coil itself? It should jump more than a half inch gap. I use an incandescent test light for this test. DO NOT use an LED light, it will cook it.
Great vid and great Diag. had one 95 Vett in for CEO of local NBC station in for a No Start and noticed a leaking W.P. on the cam cap diaged a Module and replaced the DIST unit but DIDN'T REPLACE the COIL later in the week vett back for interment stall, cut-off and no start.... WTF.. Back at the shop Starts ..runs ruff and rich.. Bang Bang on the PCM and pow BTN. bad coil = bad MOD= bad PCM =$$$ Moral of the story, Replace all ignition components on this type vett at the same time! Period... the initial problem was the water pump leaking on/into the cap.. Popped the module and it was replaced, but latter to find out that errant high voltage back feed into the ECU. Try finding an ECU for a 95 Vett cant... have to have the ECU rebuilt at a cost higher than they cost new. REPLACE ALL
Just found your channel. Wish I had you as my mechanic locally. I have a 92 vette with a code 41 that I got from the dashboard, but I think yours has an OBD2 port, right? Mine is an OBD1, and I don't have a clue what scanner to buy. I checked Amazon for a used one. Didn't know what to buy. Do you have any advice for someone in my shoes?
“That’s racist!” Hahaha! Awesome video as always! I just subscribed to your premium channel last night. Really looking forward to learning more. Thanks!
So much good info,thats why you don't fast forward a ScannerDanner vid....BTW were not looking at your face.LOL Just listening to the Knowledge.thanks for the video!
ScannerDanner I’m watching one now 👍🏻 I’m going to be doing some filming on it soon for our new channel any pointers are greatly appreciated all the best jay
@@eastprestonclassics3963 if it is an injector short, you will have good spark and good fuel pressure and no injector pulse when you test for it. You can take and unplug one injector and test it with a test light. I have some videos on testing fuel injectors too. If you have one, a noid light comes in very handy for this test
ScannerDanner The car cold starts and runs really smooth for a car of her age after about 6mins it then dies and won’t re start and at this point I have no spark but still has power going to the opti .I replaced the coil but not the ignition module as the paper work said it had been changed but I’m not sure 🤔
Okay, then don't worry about the injectors and do the tests I've shown in this video with the test light to confirm module operation. Make sure it is an incandescent test light, if you're using an LED type light, throw that thing in the garbage, they are useless for troubleshooting
1. Check for spark at coil wire 2. If no spark check for battery voltage at pins A and D of ICM 3. If no power at A & D then chase pink wire back to fuse 11 for break in wire 4. Check for Ignition control on pin B, use meter or scope and look for .5 - 4.5 Vac or square waves indicating a signal/pulse 5.if no voltage check for continuity from pin B on ICM to black connecter on ECM pin 5, if open or infinite repair wire 6. Check for 5v on A and B of Opti spark harness, and for battery voltage on pin C 7. Fuel pressure should hold 40-50 psi
depends on what it does after it stalls. #1 when it stalls does it immediately restart or does it take time? #2 if it doesn't immediately restart, if you open the throttle a little will it start back up? #3 if it doesn't restart and it still doesn't restart after opening the throttle, then you need to find out what you are missing (spark, fuel pressure, injection pulse) for me to help any further.
@@ScannerDanner Thanks Paul, It would restart right away until we replaced the coil and ICM, now it takes time. We will run those other checks. FYI it doesn't throw any codes, and at present won't link to our OBD2 scanner. Cheers
The C5's all have issues with the body grounds and corrosion. It would be nice to see you go through one of those as it pretty much applies to all C5's as they all eventually start getting intermittent electrical issues.
Another great video and use of a lap scoop as far as the code gm did not have logic diagnostics on distributor type ignition systems with a single coil and the Ignition module is not bi-directional and only reads PMW from the ecm and The ecm would look for a 350rpm and higher with in a short time frame and would increase ilde to prove that the engine is running if this is not meet the ecm will give you that code
In the beginning when you were doing an amp measurement on the coil you said you had no control based on no current flow. Here's something to think about though what if the primary side of the coil was open? You'd have good control but no current flow. Correct?
That is correct, which is where the follow up tests came in (at 17:20). Not only did the test light cranking test tell us we had a good supply, it also told us the coil primary was not open. (I was on the control wire) Also, I've never seen an open primary winding, but that is beside the point. Good thinking Randy
GM produced the diagnostics before the vehicle was ever on the lot,they used to have SMU by the thousands ever time a new design of fuel or ign. system was used
i forgot about those systems seems there was a relocation to get that module out of the heat and vibrations check old tsb's. ford had the same problem with the thick film modules .
good point, also thermal grease breakdown, which was often just plain dielectric silicone grease. I always changed over to white goop and made sure the bole holes in heatsink/dist base was flat, seen plenty over-torqued, which mushroomed the mating surface and held the module off the base.. they couldn't figure out why the modules lasted days to weeks lol..
crazy ole me? I just bounce and ricochet around wildly, sometimes pretending to be dumb(lazy) depends on the time of day and having partaken in tasty adult beverages ;)
Nothing as long as your definition of being a parts changet involves changing the part that needed to be changed and not just throwing a part at it to "try it'
I gotta get used to the new common phrase, "Hey, Danner, can you crank that for me?" After watching you in your classroom with the Danner license plate it's weird to hear you calling someone else Danner!
You’ve probably been asked a million times. But is the wiring diagrams you use part of the snap on systems or a second party. Any information on systems that I could purchase that would give a broad range on vehicles.
From what I can tell he's using shopkey pro which I finally broke down and started using with with the good indepth wiring diagrams and great repair info even including common issues related to codes. It's the TYPE shops use. If you don't have a business license you can get the DIY version of Mitchell DIY which is a per vehicle cost of about $45 for 4-5 yrs last I recall. Snap On will want a copy of the business license if you want to add shopkey pro. Good thing about that is in a lot of states business licenses can be obtained online. In my home state of South Dakota they're free and they actually call you once they issue the business license and email a PDF of the license. Snap On will want a copy of the license if you opt for shopkey pro plus a signed contract. IF you have a snap on scan tool they have a special on shopkey pro pricing going on right now.
Mitchell or ShopKey is what I use and they are both owned by Snap-on. But this is a professional program that will run about $160 a month. There is a less expensive DIY option available where you can buy access for individual cars for a month for around $20. You then get access to the same diagrams you see me using eautorepair.network-stats.com/affiliates/
@@ScannerDanner If your subscription is almost up for this cycle which I'm guessing is annual as well they're running a promotion right now or was at the end of April and maybe now that puts it in the $140's per mo if I recollect correctly from back at the end of last month when I got it. They also aren't charging me till mid june. Being that I do mobile they did make a note on my account because as you and I know they both look at the ip address to combat theft anymore. I had to give them the serial number of my 3 scan tools and they wanted my cell number and carrier since I use data off my cellphone to connect my scan tools to the internet. Weird thing is I still have 1-2 yrs left on the home DIY for 4 vehicles as I got them before I went off on this adventure of mobile diagnostics / work. Would prefer diagnostics but I take what I can get for the time being. Can't even work out of my house either. Sucks but VA rules are VA Loan rules and don't want to risk issues with my mortgage even though I have low rates and enough principal to move it. Less headache.
a bad ignition module on that year, no way!!! also ignition coil, cap, rotor, wires, plugs.... them stupendous flat pack piece of junk dist caps... I'd parts cannon the whole ignition system if it was mine.... due to history with similar setup on all the gm's of that era :) now I'll watch and see lol
If you are talking about the ignition control module, that is incorrect on this model. On bypass systems, the crank sensor produced and AC sign wave that was converted by the ICM and was then sent to the ECM as a digital signal. If you are talking about something with the alternator circuitry, I can't answer that as I haven't looked at the circuit.
@@ScannerDanner Scanner, my mistake as that's what I was trying 2 remember was the magnetic crank sensor sending out AC sign waves later transferred to the ECM! Thx 4 responding!
@@curlymyhero that is called a by-pass ignition system, where the crank signal is fed to the ICM first, NOT the ECM. Then the ICM converts the AC sign wave into a digital square wave and then sends it to the ECM
You seem to be very knowledgeable about these older vehicles. I have a 1988 Corvette I deleted the smog pump and the EGR and the cats set for a little while when I went to start it it idles perfect as soon as you give it gas it falls on its face, popping and strong smell of fuel. Any help would be fantastic.
Popping through the intake? This is classic lean condition systems. And yes lean misfiring can smell like raw fuel. Check fuel pressure first. Second is a resistance measurement of all of your injectors. Shorted injectors are common on this era
@@ScannerDanner I did a home test on the injectors and they all came up at approximately 16.5 waiting to get a fuel pressure gauge to check the fuel pressure brand new cap wires, plugs, temperature sensor and checked the fuel pressure regulator, which was good this car is driving me crazy any help would be much appreciated
I pulled the ECM and reseated the prom Still doing the exact same thing when you step down on the pedal, it falls on its face call will not get up over 10 miles an hour
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Why would my ltft be all over the place under load changes when stft seems steady between 0 and +10?
ScannerDanner Btw I have come to notice that some test light flicker tests when checking for spark isn’t always as accurate with led style test lights. Best to use the older style test lights for those tests.
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Just wish there were more Mercedes in Pennsyl. 4 u guys to tear apart! I like working on them but they r tricky!
@@Mechaniclyfe yes, never use an LED type light for this type of testing, first you risk cooking the light and second, very low voltages still make these lights look the same as higher voltage. I almost never use an LED light for troubleshooting. The test light I used in this video is an incandescent style bulb and it is listed on my Amazon affiliate link above in the pinned comment. It is around $20 for that light
FINALLY! Old school OBD1 diagnosis! Now we're talking. Now, we're in my
area of diagnosis. Test lights and flow charts.However, I did enjoy seeing the lab scope used to verify your diagnosis. Thanks , Paul. Great video on control of coil circuit.
FINALLY! A video on a GM OBDI car. And on an engine that I actually have! On that engine, every ignition related part is difficult to gain access to. Two digit fault codes and 50 data PIDs. Aahhh, the good old days. A great video. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much for this video. This was my exact problem on my c4. I used noid lights, a test light and a multi-meter and was able to follow along. Also, my car (1996 OBD-II) did not throw any codes. The car died while driving and would not restart, all fixed. Thanks!
Awesome! Nice job transfering the tests I was showing to the equipment you have.
Paul and James, I truly enjoy your videos. Just sent in my monthly subscription and will continue to be a part of your class for as long as you put out videos. Watch your regular and new and improved classes all the time. Your son Caleb is also a big part of your success as he does a great job of editing and the asking of questions all us novices would ask. I know aircraft inside and out and now want to know automotive electronics inside and out. Thank you for that opportunity and answering any questions I might have. Thank everyone involved its a true family effort. also, thank Rosedale Tech for allowing you to do it. Great job ❤️️ Paul I wanted to mention your brother James shop is quite large. Looks like a friendly place to work. Best of luck to all
Thank you Arthur! I agree, Caleb adds an element that I cannot recreate without him and he has gotten really, really good with editing. Although I take the credit for this one. Caleb has about 2 weeks left before he graduates, then I get to have him full time! I am so looking forward to this and you guys will definitely benefit from him being around more. It has been rough the past few months as he has the lead role in the schools musical/play and he's at practice 5 days a week, then leads church worship on Sundays. No time for SD right now, but that is changing soon!!
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The dtc 41 will set if the PCM sees more than 4.6 volts while cranking the engine. The IC signal goes between 0.5 to 4.5 volts. Great video and glad to see you working with your brother 👍. You two are awesome teachers and techs.
For me it's a higher level diagnostic case study involving various potentially defective parts living in different locations. Thank you so much for sharing the knowledge! 👍
Danner, I'm not quite sure whats changed be it softwor techniques. Either way your video editing and flow is insanely better than it was years back. It still worked back then and got the point across. Its just amazing now. Great video Danner(s)
I'm so glad you made this comment. I really have learned how to enhance the videos with still pictures or previous scenes and also the addition of arrows for what I am talking about. It really take a long time to do this! This video was about 6 or 7 hours of editing and as I was completing this, I was thinking to myself, is it worth the time? Sounds like it was!!
Thank you so much
@@ScannerDanner It's absolutely worth the time! THANK YOU!
As a Corvette fan I appreciate that your keeping them running! Your editing is fantastic Paul. It's always a pleasure to watch your videos. It's very apparent that you take pride in your work. And congratulations on having a shop bay. Nothing to do with this video but I wanted to thank you for all the videos over the years. I recently fixed a vehicle that went to other shops. They gave up. Your classes and videos were instrumental to me in how I found the issue. (2006 Dodge Ram, intermittent crank, no start).
I'm actually really stoked for more video of the Danner Brothers. Always great content
This vintage ignition was almost always ignition module back in the'90s. ODB one gotta love it.
Yep Danner was right smart people always had a spare module in the glove box. High failure rate with ignition module along with rotor burn thru, coil failure & distributor cap carbon tracking. Great video and look forward to seeing you guys working together.
Awesome video. Helped me find out my problem with my 96. The issue I’m having now is finding a good ICM. I bought a delco, Delphi, and a Napa but all were junk.
Finally bought your book today. Great stuff
We appreciate auto technicians like you, thx for sharing.
This was the problem with my 92 vette..shop said Opti spark ..then did some testing and called back and said ICM...wow from 1400 to 400.00...great video
Engine stopped in parking lot with no warning. Just did these checks on my '85 Corvette. No flash on the test light. New cap rotor, they were shot even though I replaced them 1 year ago. Coil had power, replaced it and ICM. Is running great now!
You are a pair of talented men. Looking forward to more.
"Old Rattletraps"? My '87 C4 L98 is hurt by that comment. Truly cut to the quick. LOL. Great video, thank you. I have similar problems but it takes about 90 minutes before I get the performance drop and attempt to stall.
Great video Paul good to see your brothers shop up and loaded with clients. Looking foward to seeing many more videos
Always thankful for the low tech ways to test. Maybe one day I can find a decent scan tool on ebay or some where for cheap.
the test light "control test" is one of my favorites!
Darn it..
No more Heyyy Peteeeeeee..
Excellent diag. like always Paul..
Its great to see this in action just like the book...
What happened to Pete?
working with your brother that shop better be ready to get busy yall are awesome techs
Danner has a pretty nice shop, congratulations to him. I hope we'll be seeing more of the Danner boys in the future.
count on it!
Thanks for this video! My 1992 C4 just threw this 41 code this weekend. You've just saved me a whole lot of head scratching. Now I know where to focus my attention. It's likely I have the exact same problem, which requires the exact same solution. Now I know how to check it out properly. Hopefully that will have my Corvette running again very soon.
Glad I could help
Great to see the Danner brothers together! 👍 Thanks for another informative video!
Reminds me of the early 90s Ford systems.
Good videos Sir. Thanks
I just did all of this yesterday with the same conclusion. Glad i was correct.
boy that remind me alot of the old day diagnostic with test light on module.thanks
Intermittents are fun on the GM systems! Nice Diagnostics, Nice Outcome for the car.
Clear and too the point as usual, good vid , Paul's vids never get boring
Congrats Paul and Danner! Im glad you two are working together! Im sure you two will kill it!
Voltage Drop Diagnostics , or each other, what ever comes first.
tracycolorado ha! Thanks always a possibility when working when family! Lol
@@tracycolorado haha nah, we're past those days, plus I don't work for him, what we do is mutually beneficial for each other. It is a win, win. If I worked FOR him, you would be right, there would be issues
thanks man!
aw job Danner ,test light is 1 of best friend forever.
Great video, wish I knew more about how to use these tech devices but these types of videos always help, thanks it guided me in the right direction to troubleshoot some issues on my vette. Thanks
Hey Scanner you're technical so you'll get this. White balance is all about colour tint in any given light. What you were talking about, with respect, is contrast. Loving your work man thanks.
Two Danners for the price of one. So Clark is as talkative as ever. Where is Nick? It's gonna be fun!!
Love seeing you and your brother together! SO happy for you guys. We'll never forget the Ranger and the 'Vette - the 2 first diag vids from Danner's new shop! 👍👍
I had never even seen an Optispark system until just recently, when a family friend bought a mid-90's Camaro. Car ended up being more than he bargained for, so he got rid of it - I never got to play around with it (probably a good thing from the looks of it). No idea why GM went that route - I think the HEI was 20x more reliable, at least after each system got 15 or more years on them (IMO). Even the flat distributors on the first OBD-II trucks were a cross-firing, moisture-trapping nightmare. GM never likes to stick with what works ... great for us, but annoying when you own one!
Appreciate all your hard work on these vids, Paul! Can't imagine the hours this took to piece together. GREAT job! THANK YOU!! 🍻
Oh, about 6 or 7 for this one :-)
@@ScannerDanner - Not surprised there! WOW! Thanks for the effort!!!👍 🍻
top notch. when your brother called you saying it runs perfectly i was not surprised! great video
Perfect... as always Paul..Thank you so much,once again..Don't bother with shots and white balance.Your videos are fine and we will always follow you ...
One Thing i do admit Your lighting on the actual lighting on the components is very good..BETTER then eny videos i have seen.wich is excellent.THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR..HUMBLELIZUM...SHOP..JOKE.
Thank you! I really put a lot of time into the edits on this one
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Even with the glare you still produce great videos Paul.
Good idea to space the module OFF the head. Get an air gap between the head and module. Usually fixes the fried module issue,forever.
Can u just carefully tie it off the engine ?
Paul, thanks for all the quality content, edits, and reference material you provide!
I'm also liking the arrows pointing out items in videos.
Time consuming but worth it for sure
That’s a bad place to put a module. The failure rate is high when they sit on the hot engine. You’d think they would be smarter then that. Ford knew it and moved it. Smart thing to do is move the module or make an insulater to mount it to. No doubt it’s gonna happen again.
Beautiful job love the way the brothers get along scanners explanation enjoy this very very much thank you guys
Very familiar with these cars. I own a 93 Corvette and I've worked on a lot of them as well.
James is too funny I remember in the day people kept points and balance resisters in glove box mopar got to love em lol
Great video. Watching you guys makes me wish I had a brother! 😅👍🏻👌🏼
great video SD thanks opti spark brings back memories
I'm glad to be growing up in the days of OBDII.
It's all the same. The flow charts still suck lol
@@ScannerDanner Lol. At least we have more pids to help give us direction though, and everything is (within reason) standardized.
Nice ! Filming/editing looks great! Tell your brother good look with his new shop. Nice Set up !
Gotta say he knows his stuff!
Great video always learn when watching.you two brothers are awesome together.
Thanks a lot for the video, really helped my brother out getting his lt1 back on the tarmac where it belongs here in 🇬🇧
I own a '93 Vette. ICM failure on C4 Corvettes '92-'96 is a common failure.
and pretty much every gm products of that era, same module, same heat sink, just different location. often caused by the junk flat-pack dist cap/rotor and wires killing the coil ;)
@@throttlebottle5906 the LT1, 92-96 Vettes have the good 'ol Optispark distributor mounted to the front of the engine. Looks like an octopus. 1992 and 93 models that have a water pump leak will turn the Opti into green goo. Coolant drips right into it, improvements to seal up the Opti were made in '94. It is driven by a pin turning at the end of the camshaft.
More videos Ozz last one was door handle I think :)
@@weldingjunkie I will be filming and posting more Corvettes vids soon. Thanks! ua-cam.com/users/ozzstar
@@ozzstars_cars "anti-spark" is more fitting a term :))
right, big ugly flat cap and other gm's had similar but in standard rear distributor location, they'd always burn through internally and you'll get multiple cylinders firing at once, regardless of the button direction and that's without any green crusties from coolant leak!
seems a good candidate for electric water pumps, but i don't recall if there ever was such a thing for them..
Thank you Dos Danners. Good job. I appreciate your videos. Have a blessed and safe week.
Keep the videos coming. really well done thanks!
Thank you! I had a ton of time in the edits on this one
And the mounting of the icm, right on the hot head. We put nuts on the bolts behind them, to make make them stand off the head and allow air flow behind the icm.
That is a great tip!
A heat sink would help. Be creative, great video.
@@MrCoontastic They came with heat sinks, but the heat sink were mounted flush against the head.
@@diymisfit_Mechanic_UDX404 yes meant like a real cpu cooler or they could of just put it all on the firewall too begin with.
@@MrCoontastic ah ha, yes great idea
Thanks for this! I drive a 95 Z28 with the LT1! Lots of great info!
Nice! Tell your Corvette friends 😉
@@ScannerDanner I'll tell my Camaro and Impala SS friends, too. ;-)
I am about as amateur as you can be. I can replace parts and some basic troubleshooting but I love the logic you lay out here. Very solid help.I do not have a cool scanner, Danner. I have one of these boat anchors in a 1994 S10 Blazer, painless wiring harness and MSD coil and distributor. Crank no start. I have signal at the injectors, I have signal at the coil, I have fuel pressure, but no spark at the spark plugs. Can anyone "talk me off the edge of the cliff" cuz I feel I should replace the opti but I want to be sure. ICM I did replace.
Was the MSD coil and distributor one that is direct plug it or did you modify the wiring?
@@ScannerDanner if there were wiring mods, it was done by the previous owner. However, everything seems to be coming off of, or connecting to, original wiring harnesses or to the Painless harness. It ran and drove, i let it sit and then it would not start.
Is it a flat distributor cap with the plug wires on the sides?
@@ScannerDanner - yes it is.
@@Muddytrickle okay, is spark good at the coil itself? It should jump more than a half inch gap. I use an incandescent test light for this test. DO NOT use an LED light, it will cook it.
Love these videos with your brother, he is a cool dude! Awesome job guys!
Great stuff, don't have scope so I appreciate the test light method
Awesome,like the old school tech as well! Thanks
Great vid and great Diag. had one 95 Vett in for CEO of local NBC station in for a No Start and noticed a leaking W.P. on the cam cap diaged a Module and replaced the DIST unit but DIDN'T REPLACE the COIL
later in the week vett back for interment stall, cut-off and no start.... WTF..
Back at the shop Starts ..runs ruff and rich.. Bang Bang on the PCM and pow BTN.
bad coil = bad MOD= bad PCM =$$$
Moral of the story, Replace all ignition components on this type vett at the same time! Period...
the initial problem was the water pump leaking on/into the cap.. Popped the module and it was replaced, but latter to find out that errant high voltage back feed into the ECU.
Try finding an ECU for a 95 Vett cant... have to have the ECU rebuilt at a cost higher than they cost new.
REPLACE ALL
Man thus stuff literally excites me. Thank you for opening me up to it!
Good video Paul and Danner you guys are great,fun one
Just found your channel. Wish I had you as my mechanic locally. I have a 92 vette with a code 41 that I got from the dashboard, but I think yours has an OBD2 port, right? Mine is an OBD1, and I don't have a clue what scanner to buy. I checked Amazon for a used one. Didn't know what to buy. Do you have any advice for someone in my shoes?
Code 41 is a cam sensor code? 42 is electronic spark timing. 41 I can't remember
It Is Nice to See yall working together Paul your are Gonna have to Video bomb James A bit more XD!!!
Just the words "Opti Spark" trigger pshycological twitches in anyone that worked in the OBD 1 days; ohhh the horror ;) Good vid as usual
A lot of people talk smack on the all the "new electronic systems" but they have no clue.
“That’s racist!” Hahaha! Awesome video as always! I just subscribed to your premium channel last night. Really looking forward to learning more. Thanks!
Thanks so much! I look forward to hearing from you in the comments of the videos.
So much good info,thats why you don't fast forward a ScannerDanner vid....BTW were not looking at your face.LOL Just listening to the Knowledge.thanks for the video!
awesome comment, thank you!
Real good video like always. Huge blessing working with your brother. Your mom I bet is very happy about that. 🙏🙏🙏 for your Mom.
Mom loves it! Thanks brother
Thank you for your reply much appreciated I have fuel pressure I will check the injectors next 👍🏻 keep you posted
I have videos on shorted injectors on these early model GM systems
ScannerDanner I’m watching one now 👍🏻 I’m going to be doing some filming on it soon for our new channel any pointers are greatly appreciated all the best jay
@@eastprestonclassics3963 if it is an injector short, you will have good spark and good fuel pressure and no injector pulse when you test for it. You can take and unplug one injector and test it with a test light. I have some videos on testing fuel injectors too. If you have one, a noid light comes in very handy for this test
ScannerDanner The car cold starts and runs really smooth for a car of her age after about 6mins it then dies and won’t re start and at this point I have no spark but still has power going to the opti .I replaced the coil but not the ignition module as the paper work said it had been changed but I’m not sure 🤔
Okay, then don't worry about the injectors and do the tests I've shown in this video with the test light to confirm module operation. Make sure it is an incandescent test light, if you're using an LED type light, throw that thing in the garbage, they are useless for troubleshooting
hi following you from Mauritius island,nice your tutorials
1. Check for spark at coil wire
2. If no spark check for battery voltage at pins A and D of ICM
3. If no power at A & D then chase pink wire back to fuse 11 for break in wire
4. Check for Ignition control on pin B, use meter or scope and look for .5 - 4.5 Vac or square waves indicating a signal/pulse
5.if no voltage check for continuity from pin B on ICM to black connecter on ECM pin 5, if open or infinite repair wire
6. Check for 5v on A and B of Opti spark harness, and for battery voltage on pin C
7. Fuel pressure should hold 40-50 psi
This really makes me want to buy a scope... if only I had the money for a pico.
I have a pocket scope listed on my tools page (pinned comment), it is called a uScope and the master kit is around $400. Highly recommended!
I have looked at the the uscope, but is having more than one channel worth it as a dealership tech? Thanks for the reply.
Always enjoy your videos with your bro
1:02 cool starter, Now I wanna fit that on my 97 Z28.
thank you so much from africa your videos very helpful to us we learn from you thank you
Looks very easy to work on! Aha great video keep it up danners! 😊
What would you look at next if the icm module and coil are fine, but car intermittently stalls while driving or stationary?.
depends on what it does after it stalls.
#1 when it stalls does it immediately restart or does it take time?
#2 if it doesn't immediately restart, if you open the throttle a little will it start back up?
#3 if it doesn't restart and it still doesn't restart after opening the throttle, then you need to find out what you are missing (spark, fuel pressure, injection pulse) for me to help any further.
@@ScannerDanner Thanks Paul, It would restart right away until we replaced the coil and ICM, now it takes time. We will run those other checks. FYI it doesn't throw any codes, and at present won't link to our OBD2 scanner. Cheers
The C5's all have issues with the body grounds and corrosion. It would be nice to see you go through one of those as it pretty much applies to all C5's as they all eventually start getting intermittent electrical issues.
If I see one, you can count on it!
Another great video and use of a lap scoop as far as the code gm did not have logic diagnostics on distributor type ignition systems with a single coil and the Ignition module is not bi-directional and only reads PMW from the ecm and The ecm would look for a 350rpm and higher with in a short time frame and would increase ilde to prove that the engine is running if this is not meet the ecm will give you that code
thank you! confirms what I thought as well
Congratulations To Danner and you Paul I can tell you are beside yourself ..... so happy for your brother. Good luck you guys
I really am, love my brother
Paul, great video,as always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brotherly working together....so cool......
In the beginning when you were doing an amp measurement on the coil you said you had no control based on no current flow. Here's something to think about though what if the primary side of the coil was open? You'd have good control but no current flow. Correct?
That is correct, which is where the follow up tests came in (at 17:20). Not only did the test light cranking test tell us we had a good supply, it also told us the coil primary was not open. (I was on the control wire) Also, I've never seen an open primary winding, but that is beside the point. Good thinking Randy
That crossed my mind too, though that wire also feeds the module which probably draws a small current even with an open coil.
Thank you guys lots of fun.
Whatever happened to the guy with no bills and fancy tools? Clark was hilarious in James videos. Good to see him again.
who would that be? not sure
@@ScannerDanner He ran an engine on a stand one time.
@@amadafaka oh, Nick was his name. He is no longer there
GM produced the diagnostics before the vehicle was ever on the lot,they used to have SMU by the thousands ever time a new design of fuel or ign. system was used
I'm still old school. Not only do I carry a extra HEI module on my truck. I also have a extra cap & rotor too.
i forgot about those systems seems there was a relocation to get that module out of the heat and vibrations check old tsb's. ford had the same problem with the thick film modules .
good point, also thermal grease breakdown, which was often just plain dielectric silicone grease. I always changed over to white goop and made sure the bole holes in heatsink/dist base was flat, seen plenty over-torqued, which mushroomed the mating surface and held the module off the base.. they couldn't figure out why the modules lasted days to weeks lol..
@@throttlebottle5906 yeah, the new ICM came with the dielectric grease and not the good white goop stuff lol
@@throttlebottle5906 I recently spoke with you on another site...you keep good company.
crazy ole me? I just bounce and ricochet around wildly, sometimes pretending to be dumb(lazy) depends on the time of day and having partaken in tasty adult beverages ;)
Saludos y gracias maestro buen aprendizaje en los temas los llevo a cabo
What’s wrong with being a parts changer?
Nothing as long as your definition of being a parts changet involves changing the part that needed to be changed and not just throwing a part at it to "try it'
I gotta get used to the new common phrase, "Hey, Danner, can you crank that for me?" After watching you in your classroom with the Danner license plate it's weird to hear you calling someone else Danner!
It's a good thing though because it will educate the masses that I'm NOT Dan! Lol
You’ve probably been asked a million times. But is the wiring diagrams you use part of the snap on systems or a second party. Any information on systems that I could purchase that would give a broad range on vehicles.
From what I can tell he's using shopkey pro which I finally broke down and started using with with the good indepth wiring diagrams and great repair info even including common issues related to codes. It's the TYPE shops use.
If you don't have a business license you can get the DIY version of Mitchell DIY which is a per vehicle cost of about $45 for 4-5 yrs last I recall.
Snap On will want a copy of the business license if you want to add shopkey pro.
Good thing about that is in a lot of states business licenses can be obtained online. In my home state of South Dakota they're free and they actually call you once they issue the business license and email a PDF of the license. Snap On will want a copy of the license if you opt for shopkey pro plus a signed contract. IF you have a snap on scan tool they have a special on shopkey pro pricing going on right now.
Mitchell or ShopKey is what I use and they are both owned by Snap-on. But this is a professional program that will run about $160 a month. There is a less expensive DIY option available where you can buy access for individual cars for a month for around $20. You then get access to the same diagrams you see me using eautorepair.network-stats.com/affiliates/
@@ScannerDanner If your subscription is almost up for this cycle which I'm guessing is annual as well they're running a promotion right now or was at the end of April and maybe now that puts it in the $140's per mo if I recollect correctly from back at the end of last month when I got it.
They also aren't charging me till mid june. Being that I do mobile they did make a note on my account because as you and I know they both look at the ip address to combat theft anymore. I had to give them the serial number of my 3 scan tools and they wanted my cell number and carrier since I use data off my cellphone to connect my scan tools to the internet.
Weird thing is I still have 1-2 yrs left on the home DIY for 4 vehicles as I got them before I went off on this adventure of mobile diagnostics / work. Would prefer diagnostics but I take what I can get for the time being.
Can't even work out of my house either. Sucks but VA rules are VA Loan rules and don't want to risk issues with my mortgage even though I have low rates and enough principal to move it. Less headache.
ScannerDanner Thanks for the insite. Will do a bit of research before dropping that kind of money.
a bad ignition module on that year, no way!!! also ignition coil, cap, rotor, wires, plugs.... them stupendous flat pack piece of junk dist caps...
I'd parts cannon the whole ignition system if it was mine.... due to history with similar setup on all the gm's of that era :)
now I'll watch and see lol
Control module's like this Vette turn AC volts from the alternator n2 a digital signal for the PCM correct?
I think you're right. This gives me a headache lol
If you are talking about the ignition control module, that is incorrect on this model.
On bypass systems, the crank sensor produced and AC sign wave that was converted by the ICM and was then sent to the ECM as a digital signal.
If you are talking about something with the alternator circuitry, I can't answer that as I haven't looked at the circuit.
@@ScannerDanner Scanner, my mistake as that's what I was trying 2 remember was the magnetic crank sensor sending out AC sign waves later transferred to the ECM!
Thx 4 responding!
@@matthew53690 Actually I was part right--the crank sensor sends out AC volts to the ECM where it's converted...
@@curlymyhero that is called a by-pass ignition system, where the crank signal is fed to the ICM first, NOT the ECM. Then the ICM converts the AC sign wave into a digital square wave and then sends it to the ECM
You seem to be very knowledgeable about these older vehicles. I have a 1988 Corvette I deleted the smog pump and the EGR and the cats set for a little while when I went to start it it idles perfect as soon as you give it gas it falls on its face, popping and strong smell of fuel. Any help would be fantastic.
Popping through the intake? This is classic lean condition systems. And yes lean misfiring can smell like raw fuel. Check fuel pressure first. Second is a resistance measurement of all of your injectors. Shorted injectors are common on this era
@@ScannerDanner I did a home test on the injectors and they all came up at approximately 16.5 waiting to get a fuel pressure gauge to check the fuel pressure brand new cap wires, plugs, temperature sensor and checked the fuel pressure regulator, which was good this car is driving me crazy any help would be much appreciated
I pulled the ECM and reseated the prom
Still doing the exact same thing when you step down on the pedal, it falls on its face call will not get up over 10 miles an hour