+Caesar K Rock Hi Caesar, it was pure luck that a GM came along. The NSW (State) railways largely bought Alcos in those days. There was only a few GM classes with not many in each class. Victoria on the other hand bought little besides GM. Some years ago riding with the driver was banned and even any electronic device is forbidden by some operators so getting videos like this is very difficult now.
Alcos are known for being tough, even though they had early troubles with the 244 and 251 engines. The GE traction motors found on many Alco products (as well as Fairbanks Morse, early EMD units) made them excellent pulling locomotives. I also can't take anything away from Westinghouse traction motors on those early production Fairbanks Morse and Baldwin diesels either.
Their nickname was Rocking Horses, for obvious reasons. Never ridden in one not cab forward so this is quite interesting to see. I remember getting a cab ride from Liverpool to Campbelltown on the Moss Vale Flyer in 42104 in 1979 or 1980. I can attest to the fact that they rocked and rolled all over the place when at speed. They were also driven in the manner of Jack here. There were only three notch positions for most drivers back in those days...0, 1 to take up coupler slack and 8.
As far as I know all diesels, at least the earlier ones, had more or less similar controls. Both flat and rounded nose locos had quite good visibility out the front, so I don’t expect that was an issue. Engine noise in the cab would probably be more of an issue if noisy.
Well on the run to Nowra, there was hardly anywhere where high speeds were reached. I expect if they were that bad, the then strong railway union would have banned them.
@@tressteleg1 They did in the 1980's, AFULE members at Eveleigh had a ban on them, they weren't too popular at DELEC either, mostly placed as second unit.
Our driver Jack Lawson was based at Everleigh but unfortunately he is no longer with us. I don’t know especially remember him grumbling about having the loco on that day. But I don’t doubt that their performance was not wonderful.
@@tressteleg1 Thanks, the 42 class also similar restrictions placed on them by the AFULE (now RTBU) at the time. Noise levels in the No1 end cab was also an ongoing union issue with both too.
I know of a Facebook Page that is dedicated to the 421 Class with your permission I like to share this clip with that page take your time replying no hurry
+DKS225 Yes, by all means share it everywhere. With everyone I just ask that my name not be deleted. Otherwise, go for it. If you can, feel free to add the Facebook link here also. tressteleg1
+DKS225 Hi. I replied hours ago but it never arrived. Yes, you are most welcome to put the link on the Facebook site. Anyone is welcome to use my videos provided they do not remove my name. tressteleg1
+Mike Peirson At that time, it was a state of the art camera. Nothing was better. I have had some problems with conversion from analog to digital format and hopefully quality is now a little better. Also I find the videos look much better on a big TV than on the computer screen. I have no idea why. So my choice is to post a video of mediocre visual quality, or post nothing at all.
Mike... I don't know how old you are, but this was bleeding edge for consumers to have in the mid 80s. My uncle had a VCR camcorder dealie in the early 90s, and as I remember it, it was similar to this. Even then as a kid, I'd gawk at myself on the TV screen in amazement.
Being from the US where GM built diesels are pretty common, this video is excellent. The sounds of the 567 diesel engine can't be matched these days.
+Caesar K Rock Hi Caesar, it was pure luck that a GM came along. The NSW (State) railways largely bought Alcos in those days. There was only a few GM classes with not many in each class. Victoria on the other hand bought little besides GM. Some years ago riding with the driver was banned and even any electronic device is forbidden by some operators so getting videos like this is very difficult now.
Alcos are known for being tough, even though they had early troubles with the 244 and 251 engines. The GE traction motors found on many Alco products (as well as Fairbanks Morse, early EMD units) made them excellent pulling locomotives. I also can't take anything away from Westinghouse traction motors on those early production Fairbanks Morse and Baldwin diesels either.
Caesar John ju
i remember these trains as a kid.. i was 10 in 1986 such memorys...
Great video thanks, looks like you had a full cab at one stage.
The 421 was notorious for rough riding at speed.
Their nickname was Rocking Horses, for obvious reasons. Never ridden in one not cab forward so this is quite interesting to see. I remember getting a cab ride from Liverpool to Campbelltown on the Moss Vale Flyer in 42104 in 1979 or 1980. I can attest to the fact that they rocked and rolled all over the place when at speed. They were also driven in the manner of Jack here. There were only three notch positions for most drivers back in those days...0, 1 to take up coupler slack and 8.
NSW Railways Videos so was the 45 class
Did the drivers prefer the flat side or the bullnose side?
Were there less controls on the flat side?
As far as I know all diesels, at least the earlier ones, had more or less similar controls. Both flat and rounded nose locos had quite good visibility out the front, so I don’t expect that was an issue. Engine noise in the cab would probably be more of an issue if noisy.
I love the 421s and 42s it's a damn shame more weren't saved
Unfortunately, unless there is continuing useful work for them, it’s only practical to save one or two at the most.
Two separate trips?
Nope. Down and back on the same train.
I didn't spill any Reschs DA on this trip .
😄🥂
The 421 class always had a bad reputation for rough riding at speed, that's why they were seldom used on passenger services.
Well on the run to Nowra, there was hardly anywhere where high speeds were reached. I expect if they were that bad, the then strong railway union would have banned them.
@@tressteleg1 They did in the 1980's, AFULE members at Eveleigh had a ban on them, they weren't too popular at DELEC either, mostly placed as second unit.
Our driver Jack Lawson was based at Everleigh but unfortunately he is no longer with us. I don’t know especially remember him grumbling about having the loco on that day. But I don’t doubt that their performance was not wonderful.
@@tressteleg1 Thanks, the 42 class also similar restrictions placed on them by the AFULE (now RTBU) at the time. Noise levels in the No1 end cab was also an ongoing union issue with both too.
GM Locos were noisy at the best of times, so I well imagine that engine noise had minimal preventative measures on those older units.
Awesome
I know of a Facebook Page that is dedicated to the 421 Class with your permission I like to share this clip with that page take your time replying no hurry
+DKS225 Yes, by all means share it everywhere. With everyone I just ask that my name not be deleted. Otherwise, go for it. If you can, feel free to add the Facebook link here also. tressteleg1
+DKS225 Hi. I replied hours ago but it never arrived.
Yes, you are most welcome to put the link on the Facebook site. Anyone is welcome to use my videos provided they do not remove my name. tressteleg1
On Facebook look up New South Wales 421 class Locomotives Appreciation group that's the page in question
Kids in the kab
@@simonburns1055 No problem in those days.
Dapto dogs
Not a very secure job with all that staff turnover .
very bad definition, very blurry
+Mike Peirson
Did your 1984 video camera do any better?
I am not being critical but why use a camera with results that are blurry.
+Mike Peirson
At that time, it was a state of the art camera. Nothing was better. I have had some problems with conversion from analog to digital format and hopefully quality is now a little better. Also I find the videos look much better on a big TV than on the computer screen. I have no idea why. So my choice is to post a video of mediocre visual quality, or post nothing at all.
Mike... I don't know how old you are, but this was bleeding edge for consumers to have in the mid 80s. My uncle had a VCR camcorder dealie in the early 90s, and as I remember it, it was similar to this. Even then as a kid, I'd gawk at myself on the TV screen in amazement.
Mike, you should be damn thankful that someone filmed this, let alone uploaded it to UA-cam for people to watch. Shut your entitled mouth.