I have yet to see a negative review of one of these kits. (other than the price) ...I have yet to play one either. Are they really the bomb or is it just perfectly executed marketing. I need to get to a store to try one I suppose.
I have demoed one of these kits before, a lot people complain about the price or the sound. The price is high, but figure what it would cost you to build an acoustic kit that would be able to give you all the different sounds coming out of that machine. And for the sound, you really can't judge what you are hearing through your speakers you have to hear it in person to fully appreciate it. The toms sound terrible on SOME of the presets, those are just "presets" you can adjust the tone, the amount of reverb, and even snare buzz if you want. This kit is amazing and the mesh padding they use for the heads feels soooooo realistic. And the best part if I want to jam my ass off at 2 a.m. I can throw on the head phones and no one can hear me tear that shit up, grow some balls and buy something you can have fun with.
Just wondering why the default presets sound so bad? If I had a kit like this I'd make it sound like a normal kit would ,without all the processing.Put some overtones into those toms.Can these drums simulate the different thicknesses /weight of drumsticks? Will the sound be fatter if you use a 5b drumstick instead of a 7a on the kit for example? That would open up more sound possibilities and make the kit sound more unique to the drummer using it. With anything electronic,in 5 years time these kits may be redundant. Waiting till you can't tell a difference between these and an acoustic kit. Not refined yet.
The default sounds always sound the worst but the thing people always miss out on is that they think they're getting the drumset just for that sound. The sounds can be changed through the module itself and if you hook it up to Superior Drummer, etc.
I listen to Buddy Rich's high tom and it sings.Can you get that sound on the Roland?Or listen to Phil Collins tom sounds on The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway recording or Cobham's Spectrum,that beautiful bell like tone.
Nowhere near the Bonham sound in the demo. I guess that can be covered with vst sampler packages but I haven't heard a really ringing bell like tone like on the albums I mentioned in the above post.
Also are the velocity levels like midi 0-127? When you hear the drummer play fast rolls on these kits,the rolls start sounding like a machine because of the limited velocity levels.Maybe one day we get samples going from 0-512.That's when I'll take the leap.After all electronic gear always evolves unlike an acoustic kit.
u could but its almost points less cuase the new pads are much better and are more sensitive, example, if you hit near the rim youll get a differant snare tone then in the middle where with the old pads its the same
Many of those sampled drumkits sounds obviously mechanic. Maybe it depends a lot on what kit is loaded and how detailed it is sampled. So I think this becomes a bit of a joke: 4:22 But probably it depends a lot on what drumkit is loaded and how well it is sampled. The snare playing by John JR Robinson sounds pretty good. But it's seems hard to get a good dynamic range and character with the cymbals.
Its more along the lines of time vs options. You can get all of the things you need for 8 grand kit, cymbals, mics, and some studio gear. But you cannot put that in the back seat of your car, you have to spend HOURS setting that up and testing it. Its like buying a mac vs buying a PC.Options wise PC always wins but how many people outside of techs like myself know off the bat what to do to set things up correctly?
playing them in person STILL the biggest issues are the click to a smack when you hit them and the very loud pop from the rims. not really a big issue if you are playing them in a stadium with MONSTER monitors and speakers everywhere but in smaller venues gotta be careful about that.
By an acoustic kit then. And some mics. And a mixer. And a preamp. And some alternate snares. And some MIDI triggers. And a module. There you go, you can now match what this kit does but with more "realistic" toms. How much would all that stuff cost?
you're paying for the convenience, not everyone is in a situation where they can play acoustic drums at home, and much easier to set up vs. using an acoustic set with mics everywhere and a mixing board to deal with.
I like what Wackerman said..."3rd Dimensional"....its drums miced up for a concert. ...or a studio. But gonna need more work to assimilate the "real deal". Somehow incorporate the sounds from say...Native Instruments DAW stuff....into an affordable module....that will be the turning point.
Yeah sure, they're going to keep negative comments in the edit right? I love how Robinson knows all the marketing jargon Roland's applied to this "breakthrough technology". Kick and snare samples (especially quality Studio Drummer and multi GB kits recorded in studios etc.) are close enough to fool the ear on recordings, but toms & cymbals still sound "digital". You can use kick & snare samples and MAYBE hi hats on a recording but toms and cymbals need to be real and overdubbed afterwards. VDrums ARE the best playing surface for using samples etc but the stock Roland sounds and most drum samples are not close to an acoustic kit...which in the mid 2010's is disappointing because I thought we'd be closer by now. I'd like a set (not for $6 G's!) but it would be for practice, home recording and with the best sample libraries from VST's and even then the sounds would be cherry picked and probably just for grooves and beats. Fills would have to be real drums...
Ofcourse v-drums arent acoustic drums. but thats the point, you cant play acoustic set on a flat without being complained all the time. Vdrums are perfect for training, and they are also perfect for different kinds of music, you can change the sound of your kit in like 5 seconds.
Wow this is awesome. Too bad I'd have to sell one of my siblings to afford this.... Lower the damn prices for these awesome pieces of equipment!! Who's with me?!
+Shawn Edge The reason it sounds good on here is because all the Roland technicians are there to make sure it is setup properly. I have heard one of these, I have gigged with someone who uses one, and have even been in the studio with someone who uses them. They'll never be the same as acoustic drums. So I agree.
+zak mountford LOL the technicians did a really shitty job then because they sound woeful on this tube.Machine gun effect is everywhere.8k sorry ,they are worth half that if not less.Even the 2 box drumit 5 sounds better than this.
+Jellybeantiger additive drums and any e kit that's compatible will sounds great. I trade and sell drums and I've had the pleasure of owning 12 e kits from low to high end and I've absolutely hated the onboard sounds of the module until I ran it through Addictive drums. I would say the best set would be an acoustic kit converted into an ekit with Roland cymbals and any brain with midi in and outs combined with addictive drums. Not only would your kit look realistic it would sounds as realistic as realistic is going to get with an ekit.
Obviously you havent tried playing this set. It my be the same size as an acustic set. But the versatility comes in its ability to replicate a massive selection of kit's, but not take up the room of that amount of kit's. Or money and room it would take to buy all of those kit's ;) If you did THAT, just because you could. THEN you would realy be a rich prick, I would agree.
I can understand the practical reasons getting a v drum as oppose to acoustic, it ease of tuning, mic placement is not needed, but when the electronic drum range goes up to as much as 7 K USD I cannot see the point. Sİnce you can have 8 K USD spending get a decent acoustic drum kit and spend some of the money for using good mics and time for tuning. you can never beat the acoustic
So many boomer comments. You do realize they have to get better incrementally right? That's how progress works. And yes, in a couple years, these will all but replace acoustic kits in the studio. In many instances, they already have. They are expensive cause r&d is expensive. You can get cheap shit for a fraction of the cost.... But, it's cheap
Search for 2box. It let's you upload your own samples into the module and still allows you post eq inside the box. Imagine recording your own drums for an album, sampling the entire kit and then loading it into the module for live performances! And for less than half the price of this! Oh and the kit allows you to buy Roland pads if you want but 2box are just as good for feel. And if mesh isn't realistic enough 2box let's you throw on REAL DRUM HEADS. Time to catch up Roland.
Ok it's a nice (expensive) toy, a state of art technology that brings it close to the drumming feel. And i'm sure you can adjust the toms to not sound like a casio tone bank. We can call it a, let's say, musical instrument. But why every drummer sounds like crap while playing it. They are experient great drummers but it looks like a bunch of amateurs that don't know exactly what to do. They are trying to make it faster and louder to show themselves off. I saw other videos and it's same thing. I keep telling myself that they aren't used to the electronic device and not comfortable with the set up, but I don't know.
Toms sound bad on every demo I've seen on you tube. Really fake plastic sounding like sampled from a Casio kids keyboard. 7k? no TY. EW that snare on Rock And Roll farkin' terrible. These drummers all got freebies of course. "Oh ,what a sound" "amazing" They sound awful,sorry.
+Jellybeantiger I'd agree with ya here, the Toms do sounds pretty crap. Though I'm guessing they just be playing factory sounds with no edits. When I owned the Td-10 it had that fake sounding toms etc (cymbals as well) but few hours [days] of tweaking and fine tunning, you do get an amazing sound that you love. Until somebody comes by and says sounds fake haha!
+MarcowaR John Tempesta roll on the toms,not his playing ,the machine gun effect,awful,now for the price you pay,that shouldn't be in there.The sounds of the toms are so generic ,what about a lively tone and more overtones?Maybe will see that in the td40 but watch em ramp the price up lol.
Anyone paying this kind of price is either a pro (and therefore it's a business expense) or is a rich idiot. If you're a pro, and your job depends on this stuff, then you get it. If you're a rich idiot, just buying it to show off, then thanks for helping the economy. A POD won't replace a real selection of guitar amps, a keyboard won't replace a real piano, and this won't replace real drums. But that's not its job. It's job is to be convenient and versatile.
I still don't understand why you have to invenst at least 4000 Euro for these shitty sounds. Every simple Soundkit which I sampled by myself sounds better than this, and i am not much advanced. So yes, these drums are awesome to play, but if you want good sound you need to use VST anyway. Why should I invest 4000 Euro then? The Hardware and a Laptop instead of the Module would be a cheaper and better solution.
"Realistic"? Well yes, they'd be real toms so i guess by default they would sound realistic wouldn't they? I could get a better sound out of a 300 euro drum kit than this thing. The technology is still very far off the mark, which is fair enough, given that its no easy task to emulate the nuances of drums. But its also astronomically overpriced. That's why anyone who's willing to pay for one of these needs their head examined.
Do you really need all of this explained to you?? Ffs some real dull ppl here in the comments. Just use your brain for a second instead of acting like a 3 year old whining about broccoli.
@@crieverytim Lol, my comment was from 8 years ago, it's interesting to look back on it as I definitely wouldn't make a comment like that now! Thanks for pointing it out and giving me that slice of perspective. Peace!
@@brenfen Haha, well mines from a few hours ago - yikes! but reading endless naysayers was frustrating. yeah those old ones didn't quite sound like a real acoustic... but you could never get an acoustic to sound like an 808 either! I probably should get my head examined anyway. cheers
@@crieverytim Ha ha all good, all good! I hear ya re negativity in youtube comments sections, it can be frustrating for sure. Honestly it's refreshing to have a positive interaction here! And I hear ya re the 808 too, all these things have their own thing that they can bring to the table. Thanks again, be well!
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They did a great job on that new Johnny Rabb module, it almost looks real and is very expressive.
Listen to it without watching the video and it still sounds electric, mostly when its played fast. Its so close from perfect!
"International Drumming Sensation"
7:22 what an awesome sounding kit
4:50 that guy! I thought to myself, he's really good, and then i saw his name. Thomas Lang of course!
MrPhantom95 "international drumming sensation" the title didn't even give him enough justice.
Of course Rabb had to get all funky ^^ love that guy.
I have yet to see a negative review of one of these kits. (other than the price) ...I have yet to play one either. Are they really the bomb or is it just perfectly executed marketing.
I need to get to a store to try one I suppose.
Nate Morton playing John Bonham and loving it.
them joints sound solid.
I have demoed one of these kits before, a lot people complain about the price or the sound. The price is high, but figure what it would cost you to build an acoustic kit that would be able to give you all the different sounds coming out of that machine. And for the sound, you really can't judge what you are hearing through your speakers you have to hear it in person to fully appreciate it. The toms sound terrible on SOME of the presets, those are just "presets" you can adjust the tone, the amount of reverb, and even snare buzz if you want. This kit is amazing and the mesh padding they use for the heads feels soooooo realistic. And the best part if I want to jam my ass off at 2 a.m. I can throw on the head phones and no one can hear me tear that shit up, grow some balls and buy something you can have fun with.
Just wondering why the default presets sound so bad?
If I had a kit like this I'd make it sound like a normal kit would ,without all the processing.Put some overtones into those toms.Can these drums simulate the different thicknesses /weight of drumsticks?
Will the sound be fatter if you use a 5b drumstick instead of a 7a on the kit for example?
That would open up more sound possibilities and make the kit sound more unique to the drummer using it.
With anything electronic,in 5 years time these kits may be redundant.
Waiting till you can't tell a difference between these and an acoustic kit.
Not refined yet.
The default sounds always sound the worst but the thing people always miss out on is that they think they're getting the drumset just for that sound.
The sounds can be changed through the module itself and if you hook it up to Superior Drummer, etc.
I listen to Buddy Rich's high tom and it sings.Can you get that sound on the Roland?Or listen to Phil Collins tom sounds on The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway recording or Cobham's Spectrum,that beautiful bell like tone.
Nowhere near the Bonham sound in the demo.
I guess that can be covered with vst sampler packages but I haven't heard a really ringing bell like tone like on the albums I mentioned in the above post.
Also are the velocity levels like midi 0-127?
When you hear the drummer play fast rolls on these kits,the rolls start sounding like a machine because of the limited velocity levels.Maybe one day we get samples going from 0-512.That's when I'll take the leap.After all electronic gear always evolves unlike an acoustic kit.
I feel like watching an Sprayette commercial. Specially when the drummer starts talking and they change the color to Black and White.
I don't want to even ask what they cost NOW.
That is a title. International Drumming Sensation.
Oh and it's that other guy who's only a "Drumming sensation"
1:06 Awesome!
u could but its almost points less cuase the new pads are much better and are more sensitive, example, if you hit near the rim youll get a differant snare tone then in the middle where with the old pads its the same
Many of those sampled drumkits sounds obviously mechanic. Maybe it depends a lot on what kit is loaded and how detailed it is sampled.
So I think this becomes a bit of a joke: 4:22
But probably it depends a lot on what drumkit is loaded and how well it is sampled. The snare playing by John JR Robinson sounds pretty good. But it's seems hard to get a good dynamic range and character with the cymbals.
John "JR" robinson sounds like Jim Root from Slipknot :D
BOTH of them!
Its more along the lines of time vs options. You can get all of the things you need for 8 grand kit, cymbals, mics, and some studio gear. But you cannot put that in the back seat of your car, you have to spend HOURS setting that up and testing it. Its like buying a mac vs buying a PC.Options wise PC always wins but how many people outside of techs like myself know off the bat what to do to set things up correctly?
Play/Listen to it in person. Don't EVER judge what it sounds like based on this highly audio compressed audio that UA-cam uses.
playing them in person STILL the biggest issues are the click to a smack when you hit them and the very loud pop from the rims. not really a big issue if you are playing them in a stadium with MONSTER monitors and speakers everywhere but in smaller venues gotta be careful about that.
how much is it?
Chad recorded with Allan Holdsworth great musicians in that combo
By an acoustic kit then. And some mics. And a mixer. And a preamp. And some alternate snares. And some MIDI triggers. And a module. There you go, you can now match what this kit does but with more "realistic" toms. How much would all that stuff cost?
I want to be known from now on as "The International Drumming Sensation." I might even change my UA-cam name to that.
I just think for the same price you could buy an absolute killer drum kit(s). *sigh
you're paying for the convenience, not everyone is in a situation where they can play acoustic drums at home, and much easier to set up vs. using an acoustic set with mics everywhere and a mixing board to deal with.
I like what Wackerman said..."3rd Dimensional"....its drums miced up for a concert. ...or a studio. But gonna need more work to assimilate the "real deal". Somehow incorporate the sounds from say...Native Instruments DAW stuff....into an affordable module....that will be the turning point.
yeah! :)
I have a good response... and mine is a DIY module and drum kit.
I would play 2 13" a coustom brilliant crash and 2 open closed k 13" brilliant hat's splashes and China etc with this kit
Sounds more better with real symbols !!!!
1:02 Rock and Roll by Led Zeppelin!!!!!
Where is Michael Shack when you need him... Truly using a TD30 how it should be.
Yeah sure, they're going to keep negative comments in the edit right? I love how Robinson knows all the marketing jargon Roland's applied to this "breakthrough technology". Kick and snare samples (especially quality Studio Drummer and multi GB kits recorded in studios etc.) are close enough to fool the ear on recordings, but toms & cymbals still sound "digital". You can use kick & snare samples and MAYBE hi hats on a recording but toms and cymbals need to be real and overdubbed afterwards. VDrums ARE the best playing surface for using samples etc but the stock Roland sounds and most drum samples are not close to an acoustic kit...which in the mid 2010's is disappointing because I thought we'd be closer by now. I'd like a set (not for $6 G's!) but it would be for practice, home recording and with the best sample libraries from VST's and even then the sounds would be cherry picked and probably just for grooves and beats. Fills would have to be real drums...
3:30 Hes been playing with Pink a little TO long
I still want a cheap drum module with PC running toontrack
i want one too
amazing? ¿
I'll wait for the TD-40...virtual gong, $10,000.
Ofcourse v-drums arent acoustic drums. but thats the point, you cant play acoustic set on a flat without being complained all the time. Vdrums are perfect for training, and they are also perfect for different kinds of music, you can change the sound of your kit in like 5 seconds.
I can't believe they didn't put that Chad Wakerman played with Allan Holdsworth
sad but not a lot of people know who he is...
Lol because Zappa and Taylor are infinitely more recognizable???
They saved the best for last, Johnny rabb!
Wow this is awesome. Too bad I'd have to sell one of my siblings to afford this.... Lower the damn prices for these awesome pieces of equipment!! Who's with me?!
sound way better when you connect it to Superior drummer 2.0 but its more money
Denis Boutin Might as well get a cheap set if using Superior Drummer 2 then.The roland module's sounds don't match a 200 dollar vsti.
+Jellybeantiger are you suggesting the superior drummer software sounds are better than the td 30? Cheers
@@borefish4985 ... Are you suggesting they aren't???
Dynamics are still way off. Especially on the snare.
only 6000$!
Good luck with pad response dude...
Even the td-30 sounds like ass until you go through additive drums.
+Shawn Edge The reason it sounds good on here is because all the Roland technicians are there to make sure it is setup properly. I have heard one of these, I have gigged with someone who uses one, and have even been in the studio with someone who uses them. They'll never be the same as acoustic drums. So I agree.
+zak mountford LOL the technicians did a really shitty job then because they sound woeful on this tube.Machine gun effect is everywhere.8k sorry ,they are worth half that if not less.Even the 2 box drumit 5 sounds better than this.
+Jellybeantiger additive drums and any e kit that's compatible will sounds great. I trade and sell drums and I've had the pleasure of owning 12 e kits from low to high end and I've absolutely hated the onboard sounds of the module until I ran it through Addictive drums. I would say the best set would be an acoustic kit converted into an ekit with Roland cymbals and any brain with midi in and outs combined with addictive drums. Not only would your kit look realistic it would sounds as realistic as realistic is going to get with an ekit.
+Shawn Edge the kick is terrible.Bonham is rolling in his grave.
sounds like an arsenal of cheesy machine guns
This goes for over 8000$ Jesus Christ!
Rediculous right..
Please do not ever sit in front of the drum kit Zakon !!! :)
in not so sure about that Thomas Lang guy
Not sure if it sounds good because of the technology, or it sounds good because pros are using it...
Freaking Thomas Lang right there... aaaaaaaaaaaaah shit
1:13 Thats what she said
Obviously you havent tried playing this set. It my be the same size as an acustic set. But the versatility comes in its ability to replicate a massive selection of kit's, but not take up the room of that amount of kit's. Or money and room it would take to buy all of those kit's ;) If you did THAT, just because you could. THEN you would realy be a rich prick, I would agree.
wow amazing but i got spd 30
I can understand the practical reasons getting a v drum as oppose to acoustic, it ease of tuning, mic placement is not needed, but when the electronic drum range goes up to as much as 7 K USD I cannot see the point. Sİnce you can have 8 K USD spending get a decent acoustic drum kit and spend some of the money for using good mics and time for tuning.
you can never beat the acoustic
So many boomer comments. You do realize they have to get better incrementally right? That's how progress works. And yes, in a couple years, these will all but replace acoustic kits in the studio. In many instances, they already have. They are expensive cause r&d is expensive. You can get cheap shit for a fraction of the cost.... But, it's cheap
so so far from a real drum yet... the advantage is that it solves the noise problem for practice..
Man they just can't get it right still sounds electronic and fake hate it
Search for 2box. It let's you upload your own samples into the module and still allows you post eq inside the box. Imagine recording your own drums for an album, sampling the entire kit and then loading it into the module for live performances! And for less than half the price of this! Oh and the kit allows you to buy Roland pads if you want but 2box are just as good for feel. And if mesh isn't realistic enough 2box let's you throw on REAL DRUM HEADS. Time to catch up Roland.
+Ross Lavery but do they play "super naturally"?
Ok it's a nice (expensive) toy, a state of art technology that brings it close to the drumming feel. And i'm sure you can adjust the toms to not sound like a casio tone bank. We can call it a, let's say, musical instrument. But why every drummer sounds like crap while playing it. They are experient great drummers but it looks like a bunch of amateurs that don't know exactly what to do. They are trying to make it faster and louder to show themselves off. I saw other videos and it's same thing. I keep telling myself that they aren't used to the electronic device and not comfortable with the set up, but I don't know.
None of these guys are amateurs. You can be sure that you wouldn't be sounding any better 👍
its expensive as hell...
more money to spend to get that tone, sigh*...meanwhile lets enjoy acoustic drums, with no microphones
Toms sound bad on every demo I've seen on you tube.
Really fake plastic sounding like sampled from a Casio kids keyboard.
7k? no TY.
EW that snare on Rock And Roll farkin' terrible.
These drummers all got freebies of course.
"Oh ,what a sound"
"amazing"
They sound awful,sorry.
+Jellybeantiger I'd agree with ya here, the Toms do sounds pretty crap. Though I'm guessing they just be playing factory sounds with no edits. When I owned the Td-10 it had that fake sounding toms etc (cymbals as well) but few hours [days] of tweaking and fine tunning, you do get an amazing sound that you love. Until somebody comes by and says sounds fake haha!
+MarcowaR John Tempesta roll on the toms,not his playing ,the machine gun effect,awful,now for the price you pay,that shouldn't be in there.The sounds of the toms are so generic ,what about a lively tone and more overtones?Maybe will see that in the td40 but watch em ramp the price up lol.
The look is like a toy xD
Anyone paying this kind of price is either a pro (and therefore it's a business expense) or is a rich idiot. If you're a pro, and your job depends on this stuff, then you get it. If you're a rich idiot, just buying it to show off, then thanks for helping the economy.
A POD won't replace a real selection of guitar amps, a keyboard won't replace a real piano, and this won't replace real drums. But that's not its job. It's job is to be convenient and versatile.
Anyone saying this is just a broke jealous scrub w zero self awareness 👍
I still don't understand why you have to invenst at least 4000 Euro for these shitty sounds. Every simple Soundkit which I sampled by myself sounds better than this, and i am not much advanced. So yes, these drums are awesome to play, but if you want good sound you need to use VST anyway. Why should I invest 4000 Euro then? The Hardware and a Laptop instead of the Module would be a cheaper and better solution.
Some of those kits sound like poop.
"Realistic"? Well yes, they'd be real toms so i guess by default they would sound realistic wouldn't they? I could get a better sound out of a 300 euro drum kit than this thing. The technology is still very far off the mark, which is fair enough, given that its no easy task to emulate the nuances of drums. But its also astronomically overpriced. That's why anyone who's willing to pay for one of these needs their head examined.
Do you really need all of this explained to you?? Ffs some real dull ppl here in the comments. Just use your brain for a second instead of acting like a 3 year old whining about broccoli.
@@crieverytim Lol, my comment was from 8 years ago, it's interesting to look back on it as I definitely wouldn't make a comment like that now! Thanks for pointing it out and giving me that slice of perspective. Peace!
@@brenfen Haha, well mines from a few hours ago - yikes! but reading endless naysayers was frustrating. yeah those old ones didn't quite sound like a real acoustic... but you could never get an acoustic to sound like an 808 either!
I probably should get my head examined anyway. cheers
@@crieverytim Ha ha all good, all good! I hear ya re negativity in youtube comments sections, it can be frustrating for sure. Honestly it's refreshing to have a positive interaction here!
And I hear ya re the 808 too, all these things have their own thing that they can bring to the table.
Thanks again, be well!
@@brenfen you too bud, stay steady and keep on drummin on 🤘