I really like learning about stuff from old tekken games. Since t7 was my first one it's super interesting to see how the game was different, especially the combos
These "revisited Tekken" videos make my day. Been hooked ever since TheMainManSWE started doing them in 2019. I'd love to see more on what made characters strong or weak back in the day.
Oh man this game brought so much memories this is really unique everyone was as equally as broken as the next one and people didnt believe me lol. I remember setting myself handicap 100%hp vs 150% I would even ultra hard the CPU just to get my reaction timing down and even took personal notes and taught myself tekken through tekken 5 I will forever be grateful to Harada san for such a good series.
@@mwkan772 damn that means u the same age as me cuz I played this at 9 yrs old also back in 04 this was the game i played every character and hardcored on. Now I don't have as much time as I did back then and I miss that but this is still my favorite game especially playing tekken devil within with Jins story.
Not everyone was broken... only the broken characters. You're a stupid for thinking every character was broken. And no, Jin wasn't the only bad character in T5, either.
People saying launch Leroy was worse are utterly clueless. Any top char from T5 would steamroll every T7 char easily, including vanilla shaheen, S1 steve or paul, and last but not least, Launch Leroy and Fahk. The comparison doesn't even make sense, since it's apples and oranges. Even though launch leroy or og shaheen could destroy their opposition, with minimal execution, at their respective time in T7, they are mechanically different chars than the T5 monsters. Even if we could put a "not-op/mid tier" T5 char in T7, but allow them to keep their great movement and properties of their moves, they would need a brand new SS+ tier for themselves, above T7 akuma, julia, zafina, etc.
@@christian1329 Let's just say you could legit play him with 2 moves. Watching any tourneys from the early days of T7 would make it clear. Shaheen's 4,1 jailed, and was -2, so it could be literally spammed, even at the top level. A high-high CH launcher, that you couldn't duck on reaction, had pretty good recovery (so even ducking on read gave a ws i11 punish mostly), and if you blocked that, Shaheen could beat all your mids with dickjabs/jabs. So yeah, he was pretty braindead. I don't mind easy-to-use characters, and I do enjoy Shaheen these days, but back then he must've caused brain paralysis after extensive use.
@@christian1329 Well, it's still a superfast high-high CH launcher, but it is much more commital now. They changed both the recovery on whiff, and it also doesn't jail now. So, when hit by 4, you can, if you're familiar with it, crouch on reaction to evade the 1. Of course shaheen can mix you up with 4, 4 which knocks down for decent damage, but that is unsafe (i think -13?), so it's a legit gamble/read for both players. Furthermore, if you guess correctly and duck the 4,1, you can more easily punish shaheen, whereas back in arcade T7, you both couldn't duck the 2nd hit, and it also recovered much faster. For instance now, in season 4 (and 3, probably also 2) i know from personal experience that, should you duck the 2nd hit, you can launch him with i15-16 launchers, like most hopkicks, not sure about slower stuff though.
@@mwkan772 try also, close to wall, d/b+2, f+2,1~b,2 D/f+2,2 on crouching opponent... f15 mid XD. And last thing, in neutral, hit opp, with d/f+1+2, and repeat same d/f+1+2 enjoy ;)
We actually used to ban stages that steve was good on. There were only 3 stages allowed in competitive here in EU. Secret Garden , Cathedral and final stage 2.
His hellfire unblockable attack is my #1 favorite move in TK5! The damage and the +60 frame advantage is where he shines the best next to infinite cobra swife. If he appears in Tekken 8 Namco needs to bring back his old hellfire unblockable attack that way I can finish my opponent with a ridiculous wall damage combo!
Jokes aside you can literally just one two three four twice and kill half a life bar with this character. My dad could do his combos and I was doing some of them at age 12.
I understand that Steve is ridiculously broken in Tekken 5, especially with the infinite he has. But, I have no understanding of what the captions are saying. I know they're fighting game terms but what do they mean?
All the things you named expected for the infinite was dealable. Now the infinite was garbage cause one hit and you were dead, hence why it was banned in every major including evo.
Its too bad they made this character so ugly. Instead of removing male Raven who looked cool they should’ve removed Steve for a better looking boxer with same moveset
I have to disagree I think there are more broken characters in previous like Ttag jack T3 gon,jin,dr boskanovich,king Beak t2 Heihatchi t1 Jin t6 I mean I can go on and on here lol
You'll have to explain those. TTT Jack was nowhere near as busted as, y'know, Devil. T3 Gon and Bosco are cheap tricks characters. Same applies to King, to a much lesser degree, as he relies on b2, 1 comboing into itself to poke AND punish. T2 Baek is cheap due to his million kick strings, but still not completely overpowered. T1 Heihachi was purposefully overpowered though, he's the final boss. T6 was when Jin breached mid-tier. Nowhere near as strong as Bob and Lars. I mean, I can go on and on, but you get my point.
8 frame jab wasn't super scary. Practically 90% of the Tekken roster had 8f jab. The ones that did not have 8f 1 were Mishimas, Jacks, Hwo and Baek, King (his jab became 9 frames in T5.0 and before that it was 10f as well), Feng (his b+1 was still 8f). When done as f+1 everyone's 8f jab was changed to 10f.
Everything is broken except for his combos. You’d have to land that 100% of the time. That’s assuming your playing someone who knows what they’re doing though. 🧐 would definitely work on noobs.
@@maxmercurythemm827 fair enough. If you could get someone to the wall with Steve then it was pretty much all over at that moment but not that easy to do against people.
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Steve in Tekken 5: "The Mishima Zaibatsu will never make another monster like me!"
Rest of the roster: "Promise?"
hehe
Tekken 5 Steve ending in the beginning best describes of how he was nerfed in T7 S4.
I really like learning about stuff from old tekken games. Since t7 was my first one it's super interesting to see how the game was different, especially the combos
I'll make more ❤️
Yes, Most of the community is newcomers Tekken 7 Sold 8 million copies and only 2 million are the veterans or started in tekken 6
I started in tag2 I'm happy that you started in 7
Started played since 2, 5 is one of my favorite in the series along with tag 2.
These "revisited Tekken" videos make my day. Been hooked ever since TheMainManSWE started doing them in 2019. I'd love to see more on what made characters strong or weak back in the day.
Oh man this game brought so much memories this is really unique everyone was as equally as broken as the next one and people didnt believe me lol. I remember setting myself handicap 100%hp vs 150% I would even ultra hard the CPU just to get my reaction timing down and even took personal notes and taught myself tekken through tekken 5 I will forever be grateful to Harada san for such a good series.
indeed.. i used to play this too when i was 9 years old.. on my ps2
@@mwkan772 damn that means u the same age as me cuz I played this at 9 yrs old also back in 04 this was the game i played every character and hardcored on. Now I don't have as much time as I did back then and I miss that but this is still my favorite game especially playing tekken devil within with Jins story.
Except Jin was below garbage in t5 NGL, due t4 when he was probably at his prime
Not everyone was broken... only the broken characters.
You're a stupid for thinking every character was broken.
And no, Jin wasn't the only bad character in T5, either.
T5 had a lot of jank in it, and that's what made it beautiful. Sadly it was also the game where Devil Jin became playable, so that's a downside
hehe
Lol dvj
@Arvin 1395 I don't hate him, I just hate playing against him lol
@Arvin 1395 Idk man Kazuya seems a bit better to me. I don't see DJ in smash lol
@Arvin 1395 Fair enough lol
Ah, the legend that is T5 Steve. Scary to think he wasn't the only one that was busted at that level.
People saying launch Leroy was worse are utterly clueless. Any top char from T5 would steamroll every T7 char easily, including vanilla shaheen, S1 steve or paul, and last but not least, Launch Leroy and Fahk. The comparison doesn't even make sense, since it's apples and oranges.
Even though launch leroy or og shaheen could destroy their opposition, with minimal execution, at their respective time in T7, they are mechanically different chars than the T5 monsters. Even if we could put a "not-op/mid tier" T5 char in T7, but allow them to keep their great movement and properties of their moves, they would need a brand new SS+ tier for themselves, above T7 akuma, julia, zafina, etc.
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What's with original Shaheen?
@@christian1329 Let's just say you could legit play him with 2 moves. Watching any tourneys from the early days of T7 would make it clear.
Shaheen's 4,1 jailed, and was -2, so it could be literally spammed, even at the top level.
A high-high CH launcher, that you couldn't duck on reaction, had pretty good recovery (so even ducking on read gave a ws i11 punish mostly), and if you blocked that, Shaheen could beat all your mids with dickjabs/jabs.
So yeah, he was pretty braindead. I don't mind easy-to-use characters, and I do enjoy Shaheen these days, but back then he must've caused brain paralysis after extensive use.
@@Dr.Happy11 What did they change about this move in Tekken 7?
@@christian1329 Well, it's still a superfast high-high CH launcher, but it is much more commital now.
They changed both the recovery on whiff, and it also doesn't jail now. So, when hit by 4, you can, if you're familiar with it, crouch on reaction to evade the 1. Of course shaheen can mix you up with 4, 4 which knocks down for decent damage, but that is unsafe (i think -13?), so it's a legit gamble/read for both players.
Furthermore, if you guess correctly and duck the 4,1, you can more easily punish shaheen, whereas back in arcade T7, you both couldn't duck the 2nd hit, and it also recovered much faster.
For instance now, in season 4 (and 3, probably also 2) i know from personal experience that, should you duck the 2nd hit, you can launch him with i15-16 launchers, like most hopkicks, not sure about slower stuff though.
He was really busted in Tekken 4, too. Good times! T4 and 5 are still my favorite entries in the series, followed by probably Tag 2.
He was not busted in T4
he was busted cuz his moves had almost no recovery on whiff
@@mwkan772 He had no damage, no lows, and most of Key moves were high.
@@mwkan772 Yeah, plus 8 frame jab lol. He could counter Jin - and Jin was also busted.
Steve was like the 2nd most busted in T4 right after Jin. And followed closely by Nina (bitch was busted in T5.0 too, as well).
"most broken character in T5"
*That explains why I tried him once in T5 and it felt kind of like I was in a rush*
8 FRAME JAB?!?! That must have been the fastest attack in the series untill Tekken 7 had Akuma's frame 1 ex dp.
Multiple Characters Had a 8 frame jab in Tekken 5
@@Kurosaki-san089 Oh I thought it was only 10 frames for the series
Yoshi's flash is still faster
@@naiiin6949 aye 6f, it's funny seeing new people react to the 8f jab, that was common back then
Ex dp isn't frame 1 by speed, its invulnerability starts at frame 1
I remember mainman did a review on t5 steve years ago and i was just like this has to be a joke holy shit
hehe
It's not and I was there when this game came out man.
It's hard to believe 2005 was 15 plus years ago
@@taylorbee4010 a joke as in "wtf were they thinking"
I like these vids, i just wish they were a tiny bit longer
I'll make more ❤️
I need this Steve fox back in Tekken 7 and Tekken 8
hehe me too😅
Tekken 2 Kazuya another extremely broken character. He's the only character that can sidestep in Tekken 2 and if you eat a ws2 you just die.
Now I see why nin was soo dominant back then. Steve was broken as is.
indeed
This was vanilla tekken 5, his infinite was patched out at a later update.
He still was a monster though without it.
@@henrynguyen3965 Not really
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Yes Steve was broken in TK5! I remember that hellfire punch into unblockable! TK5 OH HAPPY DAYS!
Top tier seems busted in this game, but if you look at old tournament footage, there was huge character diversity.
Not really. Everyone was spamming busted characters for the most part. Average or worthless characters like Asuka, Jack-5, King etc were seen nowhere.
Worthy to mention, he got JF version on the wall combo, flicker stance 1,1,1 into albatros,2 in low ground
I see
@@mwkan772 try also, close to wall, d/b+2, f+2,1~b,2
D/f+2,2 on crouching opponent... f15 mid XD.
And last thing, in neutral, hit opp, with d/f+1+2, and repeat same d/f+1+2 enjoy ;)
We actually used to ban stages that steve was good on. There were only 3 stages allowed in competitive here in EU. Secret Garden , Cathedral and final stage 2.
Really ?
@@haruto5766 yep
1:26 DEMPSEY ROLL
yes😊
His hellfire unblockable attack is my #1 favorite move in TK5! The damage and the +60 frame advantage is where he shines the best next to infinite cobra swife. If he appears in Tekken 8 Namco needs to bring back his old hellfire unblockable attack that way I can finish my opponent with a ridiculous wall damage combo!
His (safe) sonic fang on hit can be followed up with another sonic fang. I think that's worth mentioning
second sonic Fang is inconsistent
T6 lars was something else too. Not even close to this but still pretty solid
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Pick your poison:
1. Get hit by a sidestepping Steve in T5.
2. Block King's d/f+1 in T1.
block king's df1
@@mwkan772 Smart choice. :P
hehe
As soon that you’re at the corner, it’s over 1:08
Take an already broken character and make him more broken in the sequel. Steve II: Steve Harder
Ah... the good old [3],1,1!
So frustrating that a friend almost crashes his pad in my head for that. hahaha
I remember in T5, NiN from Korea is the champion using Steve. This inspired me to start using Steve.
I see
Tekken is more of a rpg 3D beat em up than it is a fighting game
indeed
Tekken 5 Steve was a different beast💀
indeed
Jokes aside you can literally just one two three four twice and kill half a life bar with this character.
My dad could do his combos and I was doing some of them at age 12.
I see😊
I understand that Steve is ridiculously broken in Tekken 5, especially with the infinite he has. But, I have no understanding of what the captions are saying. I know they're fighting game terms but what do they mean?
Especially his infinite combo
indeed
ALB 2 was only op because you could do his 8f string into it and it couldn't be interrupted.
we need that DF2 for T8 😂
Mwkan I've noticed that your English is getting a lot better since the first time you uploaded.
I'm doing bachelor in English 😂
@@mwkan772 lmao cool man
thanks bro
1 sidestep & an infinite & it's over
I ve started with tekken 5 when i was a kid and at the time when i saw steve i ve thinked "this character is shit, he cant use kicks" XD
In short Steve in 4 and 5 was like Bob in 6.
Tekken 5 Feng was also incredible in this game.
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Wish there was some kind of Tekken collection with rollback on pc 😢. At least we'll get tekken 3 via fighctade in the future
yes😭😭
damn i used to main steve back in t4 and t5 without even realizing how broken he is. i just thought he looks cool when he first came out in t4.
The only two who came close to this brain-dead of a character were tekken 4 Jin and launch Leroy.
t3 ogre
Na lol t3 ogre.. fast mid, mid on block that gave +12 .. and he had an unbreakable throw with almost 50% dmg… but different times
And I thought Tekken 7 with it's bounds and screws was broken
All the things you named expected for the infinite was dealable. Now the infinite was garbage cause one hit and you were dead, hence why it was banned in every major including evo.
Steve needs his df2 back!!!!
Its too bad they made this character so ugly. Instead of removing male Raven who looked cool they should’ve removed Steve for a better looking boxer with same moveset
Tekken lord Steve, Tekken lord Bryan or Tekken lord Nina are pain in ass.
Back when everybody was busted
When Steve was so fun to play.
Are you smoking drugs? Moron.
@@Leadblast You must not have got the steve infite and catching perfects as they just suffered. Now look at t7 steve. Which would you rather play.
T5 Steve vs 1st version of Leroy T7= El Classico
Had Tekken 5 DR on psp lol the memories man
yes 🥺
T5DR did not have all these obscenities.
I really miss T5 DR actually
I have to disagree I think there are more broken characters in previous like
Ttag jack
T3 gon,jin,dr boskanovich,king
Beak t2
Heihatchi t1
Jin t6
I mean I can go on and on here lol
I see
You'll have to explain those.
TTT Jack was nowhere near as busted as, y'know, Devil.
T3 Gon and Bosco are cheap tricks characters. Same applies to King, to a much lesser degree, as he relies on b2, 1 comboing into itself to poke AND punish.
T2 Baek is cheap due to his million kick strings, but still not completely overpowered.
T1 Heihachi was purposefully overpowered though, he's the final boss.
T6 was when Jin breached mid-tier. Nowhere near as strong as Bob and Lars.
I mean, I can go on and on, but you get my point.
8 frame jab wasn't super scary. Practically 90% of the Tekken roster had 8f jab. The ones that did not have 8f 1 were Mishimas, Jacks, Hwo and Baek, King (his jab became 9 frames in T5.0 and before that it was 10f as well), Feng (his b+1 was still 8f). When done as f+1 everyone's 8f jab was changed to 10f.
Try to ss vs release leroy with this
I will sweep this boy to the golden land called: perfect
Muda muda muda muda muda
can you do a follow-up video for T5:DR nerfs for steve ?
i can't find dr rom for emulater 😢
D/f+2,2 launched crouchers.
If I can recall correctly it also gives a combo on low parry.
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My Favorite character in Tekken
He's My Best Character For TEKKEN 6
well he cant kick thats why... only stomp lol
most broken character is king🤣
Well, you haven't seen Heihachi in Tekken 5 my friend!!! Check Heihachi!
I'll make on heihachi too❤️
Can you make a video about T6 and Tag 2 Lars.
ok ❤️
@@mwkan772 Cool
Everything is broken except for his combos. You’d have to land that 100% of the time. That’s assuming your playing someone who knows what they’re doing though. 🧐 would definitely work on noobs.
He was pretty overpowered in tekken 4 too. Not sure if it's worse in this one or 4.
I'm pretty sure this one is worse. Until you show me a super-easy to setup touch of death Steve can do in Tekken 4.
@@maxmercurythemm827 fair enough. If you could get someone to the wall with Steve then it was pretty much all over at that moment but not that easy to do against people.
He needed it
me too
You rock bro
😊
Is the sidestep move nerfed in dr or was it still there?
it was nerfed
Nope I disagree with Steve is Broken one. But Bruce is the only one.
was a natural 15 Frame launcher broken? I thought they were fairly common.
broken because Steve is a counter hit oriented character.. he doesn't need normal hit launchers
@@mwkan772 I guess but 15 frame launchers in general are useful but not broken moves. but everything else he has is just nutty
yes bro.. it's true
I remember all this aha
Pretty balance ngl put this in tekken 7
sure
Bring him back please
cara dapet kostum Steve fox boxing gimana woy
And now compare it to tekken 8 botox😢
Now do Lidia
Your dead my friend 💀💀
Half life……traaaaaaash
This is relevant how?
this is balancing😅
@@mwkan772 lol how does this apply to current Tekken
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@@Kurosaki-san089 I just don't get why a game from 2008?* Is important to current Tekken? There's funky stuff in current Tekken. Why is this relevant
@@Mangfera there is a Thing called Content
Launch leroy would destroy this steve 😭
no
@@mwkan772 fine..... it would be a close battle