BREAKING NEWS! Rutlands have just reduced the price of the package that I purchased by £100 to £195, and I've had an email to say that I've been refunded the difference - presumably everyone who pre-ordered will receive that. That's actually now cheaper than the corded Triton plunge saw and 2x700 rail package; would that be enough to tempt you? 🤔
That happened to me .. I think it was a bobbin sander that I just bought and then was on offer in next days. I mailed them and suggested that it would be cheaper and less hassle for us both if they refund me the difference rather than me return the item and order it again. They agreed.
I can get by with my Parkside for what I do, however, if did need an upgrade, the Rutlands seems to be the answer at that lower price. I was wondering if the Rutland would run on the Parkside track as if the antitip bar is the only track difference then it should run on a track without one.
Battery compatibility is very important. I'm a joiner and started off my current battery tools with an impact driver and a combi drill on the makita 18v lxt platform. Fast forward 10 or so years and I've got everything from the track saw to the backpack hoover. Whether you're a hobby woodworker or a full-time tradesmen, we all start off with the idea that we only need a couple of tools then bit by bit we've got a garage full. I love how you review all types of tools and jigs to cater for all budgets
This review couldn't have come at a better time for me, I was literally going to buy this, this afternoon but the battery situation has made it a no for me. Thank you 🙂
Great review. I’ve just bought this saw at the £195 and to be honest the battery compatibility issues doesn’t worry me at all. It’s a super capable cordless saw… at £195!! I’ve not bought Rutland because all my other tools are Rutland, they aren’t. It’s price point alone for me.
I purchased the Wen version a little over a year ago in the USA and have been happy with it, but at the time it was bundled with a single battery charger for a two battery saw! The current version has remedied that, but to make up for it I purchased the dirt-cheap Wen biscuit joiner, which came with another battery and charger. I believe that the Evolution track is the same as our PowerTec, and their tracks are an excellent value. Another great vid, Peter. Scott
Thanks Scott! Yes, I saw an older review of the Wen saw that mentioned the single charger! Crazy. At least you can buy spare batteries for this one - they don’t come with a ‘free’ tool though! 😂👍
Thanks for the review Peter, the battery compatibility is a real FFS moment, I’m sure there is the ability for smart folks to create adaptors which could overcome this but when are companies going to be held to account for punting rubbish out into the market and expecting punters to accommodate their lack of vision. Probably not this weekend but we can always hope.
Good analytical review and I formed my own conclusion that is was a complete non starter based on price and battery silo. However after reading your pinned comment Peter I hint for anyone who has a use case for a cordless tracksaw, but who would not be using it all day every day - then it sort of makes sense at the reduced price point. Thank you for sharing .😀👍
I agree with the comments made about Rutland's battery compatibility shambles. It put me right off wanting to take a look when I saw it announced. And entering an established marketplace with an offer that doesn't include simple accessories that your customer will need soon after getting to grips with the saw is basically unforgivable in my view. In many ways Rutlands is a good way to save money in woodworking, and I would recommend many of their products, but not in this case. Good review. K.
These sort incompatibility issues need to be rewarded with a resounding lack of sales. Perhaps if tool manufacturers see these shenanigans produce red ink they will pull their heads from that dark and smell place that seems so comfortable to them . There are no credible excuses for producing this sort of nonsense.
Great review. I am that person, along with others I am sure that are now stuck with the battery debacle. A real shame Rutland do-not clearly highlight the issues of the incompatibility of their battery range. I knew the plunge saw would be different but, I also purchased the 1/4 inch cordless router and cordless planner. I now have three different chargers to charge three products. When I wrote to Rutland to explain this was not clearly highlighted anywhere in their online advertisement their reply was I should have understood this from the pictures of their advertisement of each which I feel it a very lame reply, no acceptance/recognition of how they would rectify this going forward. You have done a great job explaining this and, I wanted to reinforce the message that you really need to be careful if you are buying multi products from them to ensure you don’t get into the mess I now find myself in. Sadly their customer service reply was not the most empathetic to my situation. To fair the product quality is good just very frustrating should you need to buy more than one item. Buyer beware.😢
I know you don't like the anti tip function Peter but for me its a life saver - can make a pipebox out of wall board without ugly edge joints - just glued together lengthwise with mitre bond - makes for a fantastic looking finish which clients love
Not sure if they changed the price since your video but an extra piece of track is £50 plus £10 for the connectors now. Although they seem to have two different tracks so you have to get the correct one for the brushless saw.
Have to agree with other comments on here, Rutlands batteries not being compatible is absolute crazy decision buy them. You go with a cordless brand for compatibility with other tools first and foremost then other factors like price and available tools to battery tech come after. I have went down the Erbauer cordless tool route and one great thing is there are 3D-Printing legends out there that have created Battery fitting converters from Ryobi tools to Erbauer batteries so I can use my EXT batteries on Ryobi tools which is brilliant.
I bought some Parkside cordless tools and was less than pleased when I wanted a nail gun and it had a different battery. "Two batteries from the same manufacturer?", I thought. But that is heaps better than a different battery for every tool!. This is crazy when we have actually seem some steps to battery compatibility *across* manufacturers. I suppose it does give scope for the 3D printing brigade to sell adapters.
Thanks Peter, an interesting saw and that much more interesting at the lower price, the battery issue is crazy though as is the rail compatibility ! I've finally got off the fence and bought the Makita corded saw recently as I needed it for a project, but I don't think this would have changed my decision tbh.
Great job Peter. I took a hard look at the Wen cordless saw here in the states. It has the same battery issue. I was looking for a battery, on track, saw to take with me to break down sheet goods for transport in my van. If it would have had a generic Makita battery comparability, I would have bought it. Instead I'll keep using my trusty 6.5" Ryobi battery saw running next to my Festool rails, to do the breakdown cuts till I find something that will work.
I own the Wen saw as a saw to throw in the back of the car when I need to cut plywood in a parking lot, and tbh it’s totally fine. It doesn’t replace my TS60, but it travels. And my Wen was only $200, so the price was right.
The battery situation is a bit mad when you consider that even Parkside have a universal battery platform across their range. Almost seems like it would be worth finding out the othe rebadged brands of the same product for more options of where to buy. The thing that puts me off is a few years down the line you might not be able to pick up replacement batteries if they still only fit this one tool in the range. That is something that you have to apprciate from the big boys, they support batteries for a LONG time after they have been superseeded.
Lidl and Parkside are massive in comparison to Rutlands to be fair, but yes, crazy considering this is a new 18v cordless ‘range’ - not a lot of joined up thinking going on there. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop true Lidl are internationally huge, I just find it crazy that a supermarket has more consistency over its tools than a company that describes itself as "Design, development and direct sales of premium woodworking tools" 😂
I just bought my first track saw thanks to your videos- got a cheap silverside one and replaced the blade. Works great. £80 + £13 blade. There’s a deal on Amazon uk atm if you have makita batteries already £380 for saw, blade, box and track
Those batteries look very similar to Erbauer EXT 18V, which is a rebranded Skil 20V platform. There are some small differences near the contacts though so you might be out of luck
Battery compatibility is a big issue, initially I went from Makita to Dewalt as my cousin and I could share batteries whilst doing a few major jobs. I recommend ensuring battery compatibility across a manufactures range as body only deals proved lucrative for me. Would be happy with either manufacturer. Bought Stihl garden hedge trimmer (36 volt) with a view of sharing battery across their range but i was on the road to a really expensive range. But that was some years ago now. Different time and different availability of battery tools now. I will stick with my mains powered Makita track saw. Great review thanks.
@@10MinuteWorkshop ultimately more precious resources will end up in land fill. I like the idea of manufacturers having compatible batteries. My drawers are full of different chargers, different USB cables and redundant phones. I have a Systainer containing all the different chargers for garden tools, lawn mower,hedge trimmers. But I do like the portability and safety when working outside! So I suppose I can’t have it every way.
As ever the good, the bad and the ugly review. Love everything you do. I have looked at many of the Rutlands battery tools and come to the conclusion even low they are good performances for your buck. The battery incompatibility is a non starter for me. I started with Dewalt 18v and 6 months went for the 54v plunge saw & track. Yes it’s expensive but cheaper than Festool and the 54v works on my 18v. Rutlands could learn a thing or two from that 😃
I bought a budget track saw a few years ago, at the time one Uk outlet was offering a very tempting Festool package but it was still more than double,the Erbauer I eventually bought. I wasn’t planning to have other Festool tools and etc etc. the Erbauer is ok, it does the job but it has frustrating features and quirks. The 2 700mm tracks are a bit of a pain, the anti kickback device is horrible and despite the apparent.y big motor and blade, it can struggle with 18mm ply and cuts out every now and then. Screwfix customer support on the other hand is brilliant when the first one developed a fault they had a replacement for me the next morning. I still wish I had bought a Makita or Festool though. If I was doing it again and going cordless I would definitely go for a recognised platform such as Makita
Peter, I'd love to hear your opinion of the Milescraft track saw guide that was released a little while back. While not necessarily a plunge saw, it does proport to give 'tracksaw functionality' (minus the plunging feature) to regular circular saws. From what I can tell its a proprietary length of track and a guide that attaches to a circ saw base, along with a few extras for sub 100gbp. It may be interesting to see how that, and a reasonable quality circular saw would compare to one of the entry-level plunge saws. I suspect it may be attempting to jerry rig the humble circular saw into a role it wasn't meant for accuracy wise, but from what I can tell, outside of the questionable AliEx or similar listings, its one of the cheapest (non-diy) track saw shaped objects. Brilliant video as always!
Thanks! I don’t actually own a non-track compatible circular saw, so it’s not something I could easily take a look at, especially when a DIY saw guide could do something very similar. 👍
Yup the battery issue is the off putting bit... why budget tool makers don't just adopt a standard battery platform like LXT always seems like an own goal. However it does look like your review may have hit home, I just looked on the web, and the price on that saw combo is now down to £195!
I’ve bought quite a few things from Rutland … mostly because I’m easily tempted and cheap. Inevitably I go and buy something better afterwards and give the Rutland tool away. They are generally ok but no better than that. My best purchase was a router lift which I have no complaints about .. worst, a set of parallel jaw clamps which I would be embarrassed to give away they are so bad. I must say that the customer service has usually been good. I’m sure I will buy more from them but probably not power tools and definitely no more of their parallel jaw clamps.
Don’t have any Makita batteries to check unfortunately. Trouble is all batteries look the same these days - I thought they looked a bit like the worx/erbauer/evolution batteries and they’re very similar, but not quite the same. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Probably they change the plastic moulding a bit even if the battery itself is the same. Definitely agree that it doesn't make sense to buy tools that can't use a common battery. Otherwise you'll have so many chargers etc. Thanks for the video.
For breaking down sheet goods in a car park just use a regular circular saw and diy guide. Makita do a very reasonably priced bare cordless saw that should be much higher quality than the cheap brands that will have ceased to exist when you need new batteries. Or use a sub-£10 hand saw. They cut pretty fast.
Yes, though the colour and finish - the 'prettification' - is trivial really, sprayed on or applied with a shovel at the end. As I think I quoted in a recent vid, design is how things work, not how things look. 👍
I'm not a fan of cordless plunge saws and to make one they has a one tool only use is bonkers. If you have a extractor hose fitted, what difference does the power cord make?
I have a little Rutlands router, works with my Makita batteries. The Router is ok, but the finish and build quality are not nearly as nice as the Makita. For my money, if you’re in business buy the best you can afford. I’ve had some great stuff from Rutlands, parallel clamps being my favourites. I think it’s best to get top quality when buying potentially dangerous power tools.
I may be tempted. I'm on the dewalt platform but wouldn't consider a dewalt tracksaw for 1. Price and 2. Track compatability. So a saw with a different battery wouldn't bother me.......i don't think 🤔
i just got bundle of rutlands 150mm sander with shop vac. plus they hawe 3years of warranty witch is better then my maxxt sander who has only 1 year warranty with price tag 215 pound but rutland with shop wac costed me 285 pounds without shop vac sander was only 150. i hope it will do job for me as im doing lot of endgrain boards /blocks
the price and the battery issues will be the least of your worries, I'd be more concnered about its longevity and safety after a period of use. After experiencing bearing failure on a Rutlands Lathe and router, not ot mention a critical safety valve failure on their air compressor and a nail gun that liked to jam and dangerously misfire, it wouldn't be worth the money at half the price.
Well i just order today i was gona get makita but ruthland behinest look fine i will try i dont mind i am professional furnuture maker i will use it just for end and side panell let see how is it when its came
I honestly don’t think Rutlands have people that use the tools buying and marketing. It really seems that accountants look at trends and see what they can buy cheaply to accommodate that one thing. They left a bad taste in my mouth when I bought a router a while ago regarding marketing transparency, so add that to the seemingly largely negative experiences people have online (although bad experiences travel quicker than good ones), it’s enough for me to give them a swerve. If Rutlands had a change at the top I think they could be a solid competitor, but as they are I would have a hard time recommending them these days.
Cheers Dean. This is the first thing I’ve bought from them I think, but yes, I don’t disagree. They’ve made all the cordless tools look nice, but dropped the ball with the actual usability. 🤷♂️👍
Almost like why did they bother?! The battery scenario is a non starter for trade etc bad enough being on 2 platforms with Milwaukee but Lucky enough to have Festool cordless plunge and this was all about compatibility with the CSC / multitool & mitre saw. I do have a 3rd with Mirka 30mm sander on their platform but that’s a huge regret! Price seems pretty heavy for what you ‘dont’ get
Hi Peter,crazy to think you can't interchange the batteries,is seen on Rutland's website it is now £195 with the batteries,rail charger and saw, worth buying at that price?
Very surprised that Lidl didn't jump on this. They have a very successful range of 20V and 40V tools as well as producing one of (maybe the) first truly budget plunge saw at only £50 when it first came out. Lidl couldn have easily cornered the market as they offer nearly all their battery tools bare these days so I bet they could have come up with a £100ish package that would have flown off the shelves.
Lidl have a battery version of their saw at about £140 - they just don't/won't bring it to the UK. Available throughout the EU, but not here. Must be the tricky left-hand - right-hand drive conversion or something. 🤷♂️ 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 🤣 Well I didn't know that. Makes sense, it appears there are several tools they get in Europe that we don't get which is very strange as we use the same voltage, just a different plug and it's irrelevant for cordless anyway.
I would suggest people buy the Makita track. It's cheaper and longer than the Rutland branded. Screwfix has the 1500mm for less than £50. How can they go to market with this battery issue.
Regarding the battery ecosystem: I've already bought into the Bosch system, but I'm going to have to buy into a second system when I go Hikoki for nail guns. Not every manufacturer does every kind of tool you might want, so you still might end up with a mix of batteries and chargers. So unfortunately, when I get a cordless circular saw, I've got to decide if I go Bosch or Hikoki. Multiple options aren't always good, especially when it can lead to paralysis by analysis. Anyway, I'm getting off topic.
Bosch's range of battery nail gun is improving but is very expensive and the lack of a framing nailer is a shame. I have Bosch batteries too, some old Erbauer ones when I started buying tool and some Ryobi batteries for the garden so I need to decide whether to get the Ryobi framing nailer, now in the UK but at £399 a but pricey for ryobi or the erbauer one (which I'm still amazed even exists). My main issue with bosch, aside from being slow to market in several tool categories is that the blue batteries are not compatible with green bosch tools. I can understand green not working with blue but I've bought professional blue tools and batteries and I can't buy tools from the same manufacturer. This is not an issue with Makita or any other company. it's my main regret and why I have ryobi tools as the range is just so big.
@@allthegearuk I looked at the brad nailer from Bosch, the bare kit is about the same price as the equivalent Hikoki WITH the battery and charger. And since I'm going to need to buy the Hikoki framing nailer anyway... it's a bit of a no brainer to buy both nail guns from the company that makes industry standard nail guns.
Hi Peter, looks a good battery plunge saw, but for a budget tool, not that cheap and it's a shame for Rutlands not to use interchangeable batteries through out there cordless tool range, to make it's money making for Rutlands a battery for this tool and a battery for that tool. It's good that you don't get this problem with mains tools from any manufacture they all use a 13 amp plug with 5 amp fuse ( depend on wattage ) I did watch Leo's channel with his battery plunge saw and like his review on it, as always value your review as well. As always a good honest review and great video, Take care
You know what I am gonna get it it's 195 looks decent, it's 9s what it is entry level , and with 3 years warranty it's a steal , even though the battery is a stand alone system
I would not mind the battery issue if the cost was lower, the brake is a nice feature. But for me a tracksaw is something that lives indoors on a table of some sort, I think you are in general better off going corded and putting the money into some good blades and a pair of Strawbytes!
I've bought a few power tools from Rutland's to finish a few projects. However I will not purchase power tools from them any more. They look better than they are but they simply don't last. You get what you pay for. I now stick with Makita and DeWalt.
I'm all for battery diversity as it opens up options to the multiple ranges of tools from the various manufacturers, allowing one to pick best in class or according to budget. That said, the fact that this particular Rutlands platform has no other compatible tools in the range, goes against that reasoning.
@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the reply. Having had a Makita and DeWalt cordless version, I feel the money you pay them isn't justified. Neither live up to the price tag. But as this wee Rutland can work with my festool stuff, il be making a purchase this evening. A good price for a cordless saw, for those odd times I'm stuck without power!
@@10MinuteWorkshop having bought the saw, it's a great piece of kit for the money in all fairness. Unfortunately tho, having tested it out on my festool rails, they aren't compatible. It's close, it sort of fits on. But the saw doesn't budge when connected. Unfortunate that.
Eh, it's more expensive than a corded Makita. Even if this is cordless, it's not a budget tool in my view. Speed selection can be useful, it's a step-up from the usual budget offerings. And the non-existent battery platform. Maybe it would be interesting if Parkside would sell this as a bare unit - compatible with their current batteries - for a reasonable price. But they already have a single battery cordless plunge saw :/ And my current plunge saw dies... For breaking down sheet goods, a cheap cordless circular saw - or even a jigsaw - should be enough IMO. You would rough cut it in a parking lot anyways. Or have it cut to size at the store. So totally agree with your verdict.
Cheapest I’ve seen the corded Makita is £298, but that’s without a rail. Next available cordless plunge saw by price was the Dewalt, then Makita. But yes, if you don’t need cordless there’s a whole load of other possibilities. 👍
the battery issue is a no go for me, i'm into the dewalt range and have 5 batteries which go across many tools , jigsaw, circular saw, recip saw, grinder, small right angle drill, combi, impact, mutlisaw , planer etc In fact i have been looking into nailers and if the batteries worked across both , then maybe just maybe i would have been interested - cordless nailers are expensive otherwise
Great review, to me there battery system is more like a cash cow and i would think taking that and the price into consideration most people would give it a wide berth
No bad at the price, however if it goes wrong it will be throwaway, including the batteries. Seems to be a miss for me and yes, I do buy items from Rutlands
The battery thing is annoying HOWEVER.... The Rutland's 18v router runs on the Makita LXT batteries. I have it and use it all the time. The Evolution rails with this plunge saw do work, but the nubbin that the saw rides on is from my experience ever so slightly too tall. Makita fits perfectly however.
At first glance it looks remarkedly similar (identical?) to the WEN track saw available through Amazon in the US market. Even the hexagonal shape of the blade arbor access hole is similar. I'm sure that most of these Chinese import saws are made in the same group of factories. The WEN battery platform is more consistent, too, but WEN doesn't make a large number of cordless tools. And for a high end "gotcha" Makita makes both a 36 volt and a 40 volt cordless plunge saw, using different batteries. It's all very frustrating for a weekend wood worker (WWW!) like me. As always, enjoyed the content of today's 10-minte drill. (Why more UA-cam providers don't use the 10-minute format is beyond me.) And an afterthought, does this saw use the WEN format battery. In either case my birthday present to me this year is a WEN cordless track saw. My biggest "beef" with all these saws is that they all have the blade on the "wrong" side. My favorite circular saws all have the blade on the left side of the motor.
I literally say "it's a dead ringer for the Wen saw available in the US..." in the video. Agree re Makita 36/40v batteries, crazy situation for companies to get themselves into. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes! There's a bit or orange plastic on the WEN, knobs and fittings, and that is about the complete difference. I don't think the WEN track uses an anti-tip lip. I would prefer a saw in "teal" but my budget doesn't really permit a Makita track saw.
I’ve got a Rutlands trim router which is a knock off Makita and it works fine with my 18volt Makita batteries but the included battery is not backwards compatible to Makita
Thanks! TBH I don’t generally look at cordless stuff because the battery platform you’re already on plays such a big part in the decision. The Ryobi is pretty expensive - ~£300 or so for the bare tool - and not great from other reviews that I’ve seen eg it has a plastic base plate. I’d never say never, but it’s not on my radar for the immediate future. 👍
Honestly I think all batteries look similar, but they're not similar enough! Dont have any Makita batts to try, the Evolution / Erbauer / Worx batteries looks similar but didnt quite fit.👍
Is the story true that, when the MD of Rutlands was trying to persuade a supplier to sell Rutlands their range that the said MD of Rutlands told that supplier they already had lots of 5 star reviews written? I don’t know but I do know that Rutlands seem only to publish very positive reviews. Anyway. In a market crowded with tool retailers, I personally see no reason to buy anything from Rutlands.
even Aldi do a compatible battery system. I have aldi impact driver x2 picked a second one up for £15 brand new in Aldi. , sander, multi tool grinder and hedge trimmer all use the same batteries. and can when available get them all as bare tools. for a British tool company not to offer compatible battery to each tools is just mad. who on earth is in charge.
Yeah but Aldi get all their white label stuff from the same fab, perhaps a plunge saw wasn't available from Rutland's usual supplier but they really wanted to offer one...
Aldi have at least two similar battery systems on the go currently and they're not compatible. The Lidl stuff is much more reliable from a standardised platform perspective.
Just about everything from smaller companies in Oz is postage charged . Some go the over AUD99 ( fifty quid ) free postage , but even they are creeping to over AUD250 . Many items are no delivery service out of metro too . This is a big empty place and they don't want to give you their margin . I'm use to it now , but it annoyed me for a long time .
I've got one (and a nice refund of the price difference between pre-order and todays new price) as I only use mine outside and have never bothered with connecting it up to a dust extractor - no workshop luxury here. I despise the power cable on my Makita plunge saw as it's always snagging on something and the fact I can't take it down to Wickes/wherever to neatly cut 8'x4' sheets to fit in the car means having to take a circular saw instead. I'd have loved to have bought the 40V Makita and have been tempted many times but the cost of the 40V battery and charger almost doubles the cost of the saw and still leaves me with another battery platform to deal with.
This battery issue is a shame as I've always been more than happy with Rutlands. Having said that, I can't see the appeal of a cordless track saw because 99% of the time you are going to be dragging a dust extraction tube behind it. If I was going to chop up a sheet of plywood or MDF on Wickes car park, I would just take my cheap Ryobi circular saw and some sort of guide with me.
For the audience that typically follows you I'm pretty sure this Rutlands eco system is one to avoid for the reasons you stated. However; some random person that needs a tracksaw for that odd job (maybe even that only job), has no intention of building up a nice kit to do things with - well this should fit the bill rather well. So that begs the question: Which is the niche market, that guy........ or us? :^)
Can’t imagine anyone looking to buy the cheapest cordless plunge saw in the UK would really be expecting anything else? 🤷♂️ As I say in then vid, it’s essentially a cordless Triton; if that’s not for you then you should be digging deeper for eg the DeWalt or Makita. 👍
I can near guarantee that when the battery cells in the packs are worn out, Rutlands will have moved on to yet a different platform and the entire unit will end up in the bin.
Customer service from Rutlands is bordering on apalling in my experience. Returned a faulty item and there was no sign of a refund until I eventually chased them up about it. On another occasion I bought a new item and they sent me an item that had clearly been used. On both occassion they gave me reasons which were clearly excuses to cover there poor service and if I was being really cynical, practice of seeing if they could get away with it. There products seemed to be of good quality but for me it was a case of twice bitten forever wary of buying from them, especially anything electronic.
I don't think this is the first cordless, entry-level plunge saw. There's been a Parkside one in recent months that went for about £140 without a battery.
From what I've been able to tell, this has the same battery as the excel in house range from tools4trade, I may be mistaken though. I would however not buy anything from Rutlands given my experience as a customer with them unfortunately, or at least nothing that price, too much money to risk being whisked away if their drop ship plus tools conk out on you.
For my money, (which went on the corded Makita, very happy with it) there's not much to be gained from a cordless track saw. For a circular saw, it makes perfect sense, you can move around the job site without impediment. A track saw though, is always used with a track, so you've lost portability right away; and then as soon as you've tethered it to your shop vac, it's then connected to the wall anyway.
@@10MinuteWorkshop it doesn’t really matter what the price is, the battery compatibility is a definite deal breaker. Having to carry its own charger and having to have both batteries in for it to work, another deal breaker. Just my thoughts 😄
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BREAKING NEWS! Rutlands have just reduced the price of the package that I purchased by £100 to £195, and I've had an email to say that I've been refunded the difference - presumably everyone who pre-ordered will receive that. That's actually now cheaper than the corded Triton plunge saw and 2x700 rail package; would that be enough to tempt you? 🤔
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm seriously thinking about it now 🤔
That happened to me .. I think it was a bobbin sander that I just bought and then was on offer in next days. I mailed them and suggested that it would be cheaper and less hassle for us both if they refund me the difference rather than me return the item and order it again. They agreed.
I can get by with my Parkside for what I do, however, if did need an upgrade, the Rutlands seems to be the answer at that lower price. I was wondering if the Rutland would run on the Parkside track as if the antitip bar is the only track difference then it should run on a track without one.
Well done Peter. There's influence right there!
It's good that they have refunded the extra over the launch price to those who pre ordered. Rutlands customer service has always been good.
Battery compatibility is very important. I'm a joiner and started off my current battery tools with an impact driver and a combi drill on the makita 18v lxt platform. Fast forward 10 or so years and I've got everything from the track saw to the backpack hoover.
Whether you're a hobby woodworker or a full-time tradesmen, we all start off with the idea that we only need a couple of tools then bit by bit we've got a garage full.
I love how you review all types of tools and jigs to cater for all budgets
This review couldn't have come at a better time for me, I was literally going to buy this, this afternoon but the battery situation has made it a no for me. Thank you 🙂
Price reduced this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔 🤷♂️
Good morning Peter, another honest review. Thanks for the warning. Battery compatibility, what a charade!
Great review. I’ve just bought this saw at the £195 and to be honest the battery compatibility issues doesn’t worry me at all.
It’s a super capable cordless saw… at £195!!
I’ve not bought Rutland because all my other tools are Rutland, they aren’t. It’s price point alone for me.
I purchased the Wen version a little over a year ago in the USA and have been happy with it, but at the time it was bundled with a single battery charger for a two battery saw! The current version has remedied that, but to make up for it I purchased the dirt-cheap Wen biscuit joiner, which came with another battery and charger. I believe that the Evolution track is the same as our PowerTec, and their tracks are an excellent value. Another great vid, Peter. Scott
Thanks Scott! Yes, I saw an older review of the Wen saw that mentioned the single charger! Crazy. At least you can buy spare batteries for this one - they don’t come with a ‘free’ tool though! 😂👍
OK, you have reminded me of The Rutles. I can hear the song A Hard Day's Rut in my head now.
Thanks for the review Peter, the battery compatibility is a real FFS moment, I’m sure there is the ability for smart folks to create adaptors which could overcome this but when are companies going to be held to account for punting rubbish out into the market and expecting punters to accommodate their lack of vision. Probably not this weekend but we can always hope.
Good analytical review and I formed my own conclusion that is was a complete non starter based on price and battery silo. However after reading your pinned comment Peter I hint for anyone who has a use case for a cordless tracksaw, but who would not be using it all day every day - then it sort of makes sense at the reduced price point. Thank you for sharing .😀👍
I agree with the comments made about Rutland's battery compatibility shambles. It put me right off wanting to take a look when I saw it announced. And entering an established marketplace with an offer that doesn't include simple accessories that your customer will need soon after getting to grips with the saw is basically unforgivable in my view. In many ways Rutlands is a good way to save money in woodworking, and I would recommend many of their products, but not in this case.
Good review. K.
Cheers Karl. Yes, it’s a great shame - had the potential to be so much better as part of a system, but there we are. 🤷♂️👍
These two comments are spot on!! You’ve both said what I would have said. Enjoy your weekends
'had the potential to be so much better...' seems to be a pretty common theme in tool reviews everywhere 🙄
These sort incompatibility issues need to be rewarded with a resounding lack of sales. Perhaps if tool manufacturers see these shenanigans produce red ink they will pull their heads from that dark and smell place that seems so comfortable to them . There are no credible excuses for producing this sort of nonsense.
Great review. I am that person, along with others I am sure that are now stuck with the battery debacle. A real shame Rutland do-not clearly highlight the issues of the incompatibility of their battery range. I knew the plunge saw would be different but, I also purchased the 1/4 inch cordless router and cordless planner. I now have three different chargers to charge three products.
When I wrote to Rutland to explain this was not clearly highlighted anywhere in their online advertisement their reply was I should have understood this from the pictures of their advertisement of each which I feel it a very lame reply, no acceptance/recognition of how they would rectify this going forward.
You have done a great job explaining this and, I wanted to reinforce the message that you really need to be careful if you are buying multi products from them to ensure you don’t get into the mess I now find myself in. Sadly their customer service reply was not the most empathetic to my situation.
To fair the product quality is good just very frustrating should you need to buy more than one item. Buyer beware.😢
I know you don't like the anti tip function Peter but for me its a life saver - can make a pipebox out of wall board without ugly edge joints - just glued together lengthwise with mitre bond - makes for a fantastic looking finish which clients love
Not sure if they changed the price since your video but an extra piece of track is £50 plus £10 for the connectors now. Although they seem to have two different tracks so you have to get the correct one for the brushless saw.
Hi Peter,
Thanks for sharing your observations & comments. Food for thought!
Have to agree with other comments on here, Rutlands batteries not being compatible is absolute crazy decision buy them. You go with a cordless brand for compatibility with other tools first and foremost then other factors like price and available tools to battery tech come after. I have went down the Erbauer cordless tool route and one great thing is there are 3D-Printing legends out there that have created Battery fitting converters from Ryobi tools to Erbauer batteries so I can use my EXT batteries on Ryobi tools which is brilliant.
Just received mine, first project will be a MFT topped workbench. Cheers for all the videos!
Fantastic review, Peter! Thanks a bunch! 😊
I hope those get to Brazil sometime!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks, you too! 👍
I bought some Parkside cordless tools and was less than pleased when I wanted a nail gun and it had a different battery. "Two batteries from the same manufacturer?", I thought.
But that is heaps better than a different battery for every tool!. This is crazy when we have actually seem some steps to battery compatibility *across* manufacturers.
I suppose it does give scope for the 3D printing brigade to sell adapters.
Good honest review Peter.
Thanks Peter, an interesting saw and that much more interesting at the lower price, the battery issue is crazy though as is the rail compatibility ! I've finally got off the fence and bought the Makita corded saw recently as I needed it for a project, but I don't think this would have changed my decision tbh.
Great job Peter. I took a hard look at the Wen cordless saw here in the states. It has the same battery issue. I was looking for a battery, on track, saw to take with me to break down sheet goods for transport in my van. If it would have had a generic Makita battery comparability, I would have bought it. Instead I'll keep using my trusty 6.5" Ryobi battery saw running next to my Festool rails, to do the breakdown cuts till I find something that will work.
I own the Wen saw as a saw to throw in the back of the car when I need to cut plywood in a parking lot, and tbh it’s totally fine. It doesn’t replace my TS60, but it travels. And my Wen was only $200, so the price was right.
💯 Identical to WEN cordless track saw.
Only difference is the logo, but they are obviously coming out of the same factory!
Good video thanks, shame about the battery issue
The battery situation is a bit mad when you consider that even Parkside have a universal battery platform across their range. Almost seems like it would be worth finding out the othe rebadged brands of the same product for more options of where to buy. The thing that puts me off is a few years down the line you might not be able to pick up replacement batteries if they still only fit this one tool in the range. That is something that you have to apprciate from the big boys, they support batteries for a LONG time after they have been superseeded.
Lidl and Parkside are massive in comparison to Rutlands to be fair, but yes, crazy considering this is a new 18v cordless ‘range’ - not a lot of joined up thinking going on there. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop true Lidl are internationally huge, I just find it crazy that a supermarket has more consistency over its tools than a company that describes itself as "Design, development and direct sales of premium woodworking tools" 😂
I just bought my first track saw thanks to your videos- got a cheap silverside one and replaced the blade. Works great. £80 + £13 blade. There’s a deal on Amazon uk atm if you have makita batteries already £380 for saw, blade, box and track
please could you supply a link? I can see a deal for 380 for the saw and a track case, but not the tracks themselves..
@@jh112323 sorry you’re right - it must have been a bank holiday offer. Sorry
Yes, Peter, it seems to me in this technical day that compatible batteries would, could, be the way to go.
Those batteries look very similar to Erbauer EXT 18V, which is a rebranded Skil 20V platform. There are some small differences near the contacts though so you might be out of luck
I’ll check them out; the Erbauer is compatible with the evolution batteries and I have a couple of those. 👍
Not the same batteries. Erbauer & Skil are made by Chervon, this saw isn't.
Battery compatibility is a big issue, initially I went from Makita to Dewalt as my cousin and I could share batteries whilst doing a few major jobs. I recommend ensuring battery compatibility across a manufactures range as body only deals proved lucrative for me. Would be happy with either manufacturer. Bought Stihl garden hedge trimmer (36 volt) with a view of sharing battery across their range but i was on the road to a really expensive range. But that was some years ago now. Different time and different availability of battery tools now. I will stick with my mains powered Makita track saw. Great review thanks.
Good policy - though someone pointed out that Makita 36v and platforms are incompatible too! 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ultimately more precious resources will end up in land fill. I like the idea of manufacturers having compatible batteries. My drawers are full of different chargers, different USB cables and redundant phones. I have a Systainer containing all the different chargers for garden tools, lawn mower,hedge trimmers. But I do like the portability and safety when working outside! So I suppose I can’t have it every way.
I think I’ll stick to taking my ups with my parkside saw to wicks car park
As ever the good, the bad and the ugly review. Love everything you do.
I have looked at many of the Rutlands battery tools and come to the conclusion even low they are good performances for your buck. The battery incompatibility is a non starter for me. I started with Dewalt 18v and 6 months went for the 54v plunge saw & track. Yes it’s expensive but cheaper than Festool and the 54v works on my 18v. Rutlands could learn a thing or two from that 😃
Thanks! Yes, a distinct lack of joined up thinking all around, unfortunately! 🤷♂️👍
I bought a budget track saw a few years ago, at the time one Uk outlet was offering a very tempting Festool package but it was still more than double,the Erbauer I eventually bought. I wasn’t planning to have other Festool tools and etc etc. the Erbauer is ok, it does the job but it has frustrating features and quirks. The 2 700mm tracks are a bit of a pain, the anti kickback device is horrible and despite the apparent.y big motor and blade, it can struggle with 18mm ply and cuts out every now and then. Screwfix customer support on the other hand is brilliant when the first one developed a fault they had a replacement for me the next morning.
I still wish I had bought a Makita or Festool though. If I was doing it again and going cordless I would definitely go for a recognised platform such as Makita
Peter, I'd love to hear your opinion of the Milescraft track saw guide that was released a little while back. While not necessarily a plunge saw, it does proport to give 'tracksaw functionality' (minus the plunging feature) to regular circular saws.
From what I can tell its a proprietary length of track and a guide that attaches to a circ saw base, along with a few extras for sub 100gbp. It may be interesting to see how that, and a reasonable quality circular saw would compare to one of the entry-level plunge saws.
I suspect it may be attempting to jerry rig the humble circular saw into a role it wasn't meant for accuracy wise, but from what I can tell, outside of the questionable AliEx or similar listings, its one of the cheapest (non-diy) track saw shaped objects.
Brilliant video as always!
Thanks! I don’t actually own a non-track compatible circular saw, so it’s not something I could easily take a look at, especially when a DIY saw guide could do something very similar. 👍
Yup the battery issue is the off putting bit... why budget tool makers don't just adopt a standard battery platform like LXT always seems like an own goal. However it does look like your review may have hit home, I just looked on the web, and the price on that saw combo is now down to £195!
Yes, there's a pinned comment to that effect - received my refund email this afternoon! 👍 Interestingly, it's now cheaper than the corded Triton.
If it helps, it's on for 195 today - might tilt the scales a bit?
Yes, just reduce this afternoon - early adopters also refunded, which is nice. 👍
I’ve bought quite a few things from Rutland … mostly because I’m easily tempted and cheap. Inevitably I go and buy something better afterwards and give the Rutland tool away. They are generally ok but no better than that. My best purchase was a router lift which I have no complaints about .. worst, a set of parallel jaw clamps which I would be embarrassed to give away they are so bad. I must say that the customer service has usually been good. I’m sure I will buy more from them but probably not power tools and definitely no more of their parallel jaw clamps.
It really looks like it came out the same factory as the Makita saw. I winder if the Rutlands batteries fit Makita tools?
Don’t have any Makita batteries to check unfortunately. Trouble is all batteries look the same these days - I thought they looked a bit like the worx/erbauer/evolution batteries and they’re very similar, but not quite the same. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Probably they change the plastic moulding a bit even if the battery itself is the same. Definitely agree that it doesn't make sense to buy tools that can't use a common battery. Otherwise you'll have so many chargers etc. Thanks for the video.
Yep, when I saw the saw for the first time, I saw the similarity to the WEN.
For breaking down sheet goods in a car park just use a regular circular saw and diy guide. Makita do a very reasonably priced bare cordless saw that should be much higher quality than the cheap brands that will have ceased to exist when you need new batteries.
Or use a sub-£10 hand saw. They cut pretty fast.
It is a pity how some manufacturers handle battery compatibility ☹
I love the all in black design of tools ....
Yes, though the colour and finish - the 'prettification' - is trivial really, sprayed on or applied with a shovel at the end. As I think I quoted in a recent vid, design is how things work, not how things look. 👍
when I see those batteries I'm 99.9% sure they fit with the worx platform greetings from the tool seller
No, they look similar (and to the Erbauer and Evolution) but they're different. 😕
I'm not a fan of cordless plunge saws and to make one they has a one tool only use is bonkers. If you have a extractor hose fitted, what difference does the power cord make?
I have a little Rutlands router, works with my Makita batteries.
The Router is ok, but the finish and build quality are not nearly as nice as the Makita.
For my money, if you’re in business buy the best you can afford.
I’ve had some great stuff from Rutlands, parallel clamps being my favourites.
I think it’s best to get top quality when buying potentially dangerous power tools.
I may be tempted. I'm on the dewalt platform but wouldn't consider a dewalt tracksaw for 1. Price
and 2. Track compatability.
So a saw with a different battery wouldn't bother me.......i don't think 🤔
i just got bundle of rutlands 150mm sander with shop vac. plus they hawe 3years of warranty witch is better then my maxxt sander who has only 1 year warranty with price tag 215 pound but rutland with shop wac costed me 285 pounds without shop vac sander was only 150.
i hope it will do job for me as im doing lot of endgrain boards /blocks
Tortchy the battery boy is not amused 😂😂😂
He most definitely is not! 😂👍
the price and the battery issues will be the least of your worries, I'd be more concnered about its longevity and safety after a period of use. After experiencing bearing failure on a Rutlands Lathe and router, not ot mention a critical safety valve failure on their air compressor and a nail gun that liked to jam and dangerously misfire, it wouldn't be worth the money at half the price.
Even if the batteries are not compatible with other tools at the bow £195 it's a great deal.
Yep.👍
Well i just order today i was gona get makita but ruthland behinest look fine i will try i dont mind i am professional furnuture maker i will use it just for end and side panell let see how is it when its came
I honestly don’t think Rutlands have people that use the tools buying and marketing. It really seems that accountants look at trends and see what they can buy cheaply to accommodate that one thing.
They left a bad taste in my mouth when I bought a router a while ago regarding marketing transparency, so add that to the seemingly largely negative experiences people have online (although bad experiences travel quicker than good ones), it’s enough for me to give them a swerve.
If Rutlands had a change at the top I think they could be a solid competitor, but as they are I would have a hard time recommending them these days.
Cheers Dean. This is the first thing I’ve bought from them I think, but yes, I don’t disagree. They’ve made all the cordless tools look nice, but dropped the ball with the actual usability. 🤷♂️👍
Almost like why did they bother?! The battery scenario is a non starter for trade etc bad enough being on 2 platforms with Milwaukee but Lucky enough to have Festool cordless plunge and this was all about compatibility with the CSC / multitool & mitre saw.
I do have a 3rd with Mirka 30mm sander on their platform but that’s a huge regret!
Price seems pretty heavy for what you ‘dont’ get
Is the parkside performance cordless plunge saw not available in the uk?
No, for whatever reason they don’t bring that model here. 🤷♂️
Hi Peter,crazy to think you can't interchange the batteries,is seen on Rutland's website it is now £195 with the batteries,rail charger and saw, worth buying at that price?
Very surprised that Lidl didn't jump on this. They have a very successful range of 20V and 40V tools as well as producing one of (maybe the) first truly budget plunge saw at only £50 when it first came out. Lidl couldn have easily cornered the market as they offer nearly all their battery tools bare these days so I bet they could have come up with a £100ish package that would have flown off the shelves.
Lidl have a battery version of their saw at about £140 - they just don't/won't bring it to the UK. Available throughout the EU, but not here. Must be the tricky left-hand - right-hand drive conversion or something. 🤷♂️ 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 🤣
Well I didn't know that. Makes sense, it appears there are several tools they get in Europe that we don't get which is very strange as we use the same voltage, just a different plug and it's irrelevant for cordless anyway.
I would suggest people buy the Makita track. It's cheaper and longer than the Rutland branded.
Screwfix has the 1500mm for less than £50.
How can they go to market with this battery issue.
Regarding the battery ecosystem: I've already bought into the Bosch system, but I'm going to have to buy into a second system when I go Hikoki for nail guns. Not every manufacturer does every kind of tool you might want, so you still might end up with a mix of batteries and chargers.
So unfortunately, when I get a cordless circular saw, I've got to decide if I go Bosch or Hikoki. Multiple options aren't always good, especially when it can lead to paralysis by analysis.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic.
Bosch's range of battery nail gun is improving but is very expensive and the lack of a framing nailer is a shame. I have Bosch batteries too, some old Erbauer ones when I started buying tool and some Ryobi batteries for the garden so I need to decide whether to get the Ryobi framing nailer, now in the UK but at £399 a but pricey for ryobi or the erbauer one (which I'm still amazed even exists). My main issue with bosch, aside from being slow to market in several tool categories is that the blue batteries are not compatible with green bosch tools. I can understand green not working with blue but I've bought professional blue tools and batteries and I can't buy tools from the same manufacturer. This is not an issue with Makita or any other company. it's my main regret and why I have ryobi tools as the range is just so big.
@@allthegearuk I looked at the brad nailer from Bosch, the bare kit is about the same price as the equivalent Hikoki WITH the battery and charger. And since I'm going to need to buy the Hikoki framing nailer anyway... it's a bit of a no brainer to buy both nail guns from the company that makes industry standard nail guns.
Online offer is currently £195, but I still think there are enough things against a purchase. Thanks, Peter.
It looks a lot like the Makita. Down to the double battery. Esp with the track.
Hi Peter, looks a good battery plunge saw, but for a budget tool, not that cheap and it's a shame for Rutlands not to use interchangeable batteries through out there cordless tool range, to make it's money making for Rutlands a battery for this tool and a battery for that tool. It's good that you don't get this problem with mains tools from any manufacture they all use a 13 amp plug with 5 amp fuse ( depend on wattage ) I did watch Leo's channel with his battery plunge saw and like his review on it, as always value your review as well.
As always a good honest review and great video, Take care
Thanks Shaun! Price reduced by Rutlands this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔
Peter I think you need to join track saws anonymous, I think you may have a track saw addiction😂
Join it? I founded it! 😂
You know what I am gonna get it it's 195 looks decent, it's 9s what it is entry level , and with 3 years warranty it's a steal , even though the battery is a stand alone system
Yep. It’s a decent cordless saw at a great price for a cordless saw. 👍
I would not mind the battery issue if the cost was lower, the brake is a nice feature. But for me a tracksaw is something that lives indoors on a table of some sort, I think you are in general better off going corded and putting the money into some good blades and a pair of Strawbytes!
Yep. 👍
Agreed. You'll probably be connecting a dust extractor hose, which I think largely negates the convenience of cordless anyway.
I've bought a few power tools from Rutland's to finish a few projects. However I will not purchase power tools from them any more. They look better than they are but they simply don't last. You get what you pay for. I now stick with Makita and DeWalt.
I'm all for battery diversity as it opens up options to the multiple ranges of tools from the various manufacturers, allowing one to pick best in class or according to budget.
That said, the fact that this particular Rutlands platform has no other compatible tools in the range, goes against that reasoning.
Does anyone know if the saw runs on festool rails? Maybe a long shot, but it would be perfect if it did.
Yes, runs fine on Festool rails, Makita, Evolution etc… 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the reply. Having had a Makita and DeWalt cordless version, I feel the money you pay them isn't justified. Neither live up to the price tag.
But as this wee Rutland can work with my festool stuff, il be making a purchase this evening. A good price for a cordless saw, for those odd times I'm stuck without power!
@@10MinuteWorkshop having bought the saw, it's a great piece of kit for the money in all fairness. Unfortunately tho, having tested it out on my festool rails, they aren't compatible. It's close, it sort of fits on. But the saw doesn't budge when connected. Unfortunate that.
Hi there would this work on makita guide rails I have a 240v one but want to upgrade to cordless.
Yes. As I think I say in the vid, the Rutlands rails supplied with this saw are a carbon copy of the Makita rails. 👍
Eh, it's more expensive than a corded Makita. Even if this is cordless, it's not a budget tool in my view.
Speed selection can be useful, it's a step-up from the usual budget offerings.
And the non-existent battery platform. Maybe it would be interesting if Parkside would sell this as a bare unit - compatible with their current batteries - for a reasonable price. But they already have a single battery cordless plunge saw :/ And my current plunge saw dies...
For breaking down sheet goods, a cheap cordless circular saw - or even a jigsaw - should be enough IMO. You would rough cut it in a parking lot anyways. Or have it cut to size at the store.
So totally agree with your verdict.
Cheapest I’ve seen the corded Makita is £298, but that’s without a rail. Next available cordless plunge saw by price was the Dewalt, then Makita. But yes, if you don’t need cordless there’s a whole load of other possibilities. 👍
the battery issue is a no go for me, i'm into the dewalt range and have 5 batteries which go across many tools , jigsaw, circular saw, recip saw, grinder, small right angle drill, combi, impact, mutlisaw , planer etc In fact i have been looking into nailers and if the batteries worked across both , then maybe just maybe i would have been interested - cordless nailers are expensive otherwise
Great review, to me there battery system is more like a cash cow and i would think taking that and the price into consideration most people would give it a wide berth
Price reduced this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔
No bad at the price, however if it goes wrong it will be throwaway, including the batteries. Seems to be a miss for me and yes, I do buy items from Rutlands
Looks extremely similar to the Bayer branded one sold by Sydney Tools.
Theyre 100% the same tool. Might actually be cheaper to import a rutlands from the UK than go to Sydney tools for this one
Interesting. I wonder if the other Bayer stuff uses the same batteries.
Are the batteries available direct from the manufacturer in China via Alibaba?
No idea. As aI say on the video Rutlands do sell them separately, £90/pair.
The battery thing is annoying HOWEVER.... The Rutland's 18v router runs on the Makita LXT batteries. I have it and use it all the time.
The Evolution rails with this plunge saw do work, but the nubbin that the saw rides on is from my experience ever so slightly too tall. Makita fits perfectly however.
At first glance it looks remarkedly similar (identical?) to the WEN track saw available through Amazon in the US market. Even the hexagonal shape of the blade arbor access hole is similar. I'm sure that most of these Chinese import saws are made in the same group of factories. The WEN battery platform is more consistent, too, but WEN doesn't make a large number of cordless tools. And for a high end "gotcha" Makita makes both a 36 volt and a 40 volt cordless plunge saw, using different batteries. It's all very frustrating for a weekend wood worker (WWW!) like me. As always, enjoyed the content of today's 10-minte drill. (Why more UA-cam providers don't use the 10-minute format is beyond me.) And an afterthought, does this saw use the WEN format battery. In either case my birthday present to me this year is a WEN cordless track saw. My biggest "beef" with all these saws is that they all have the blade on the "wrong" side. My favorite circular saws all have the blade on the left side of the motor.
I literally say "it's a dead ringer for the Wen saw available in the US..." in the video. Agree re Makita 36/40v batteries, crazy situation for companies to get themselves into. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes! There's a bit or orange plastic on the WEN, knobs and fittings, and that is about the complete difference. I don't think the WEN track uses an anti-tip lip. I would prefer a saw in "teal" but my budget doesn't really permit a Makita track saw.
I’ve got a Rutlands trim router which is a knock off Makita and it works fine with my 18volt Makita batteries but the included battery is not backwards compatible to Makita
Interesting, thanks! 👍
Another great olunge saw video Peter. Any chance of you reviewing the Ryobi plunge saw for those of us on their battery journey? Thanks.
Thanks! TBH I don’t generally look at cordless stuff because the battery platform you’re already on plays such a big part in the decision. The Ryobi is pretty expensive - ~£300 or so for the bare tool - and not great from other reviews that I’ve seen eg it has a plastic base plate. I’d never say never, but it’s not on my radar for the immediate future. 👍
Those batteries look like Makita 18v ones have you tried to see if Makita batteries fit
Honestly I think all batteries look similar, but they're not similar enough! Dont have any Makita batts to try, the Evolution / Erbauer / Worx batteries looks similar but didnt quite fit.👍
Been carpenter joiner furniture maker for 58 years no chance of a sale here
Is the story true that, when the MD of Rutlands was trying to persuade a supplier to sell Rutlands their range that the said MD of Rutlands told that supplier they already had lots of 5 star reviews written? I don’t know but I do know that Rutlands seem only to publish very positive reviews.
Anyway. In a market crowded with tool retailers, I personally see no reason to buy anything from Rutlands.
even Aldi do a compatible battery system. I have aldi impact driver x2 picked a second one up for £15 brand new in Aldi. , sander, multi tool grinder and hedge trimmer all use the same batteries. and can when available get them all as bare tools. for a British tool company not to offer compatible battery to each tools is just mad. who on earth is in charge.
I’d hazard a guess that Aldi’s buying power is substantially more than Rutlands. But I don’t disagree. 👍
Yeah but Aldi get all their white label stuff from the same fab, perhaps a plunge saw wasn't available from Rutland's usual supplier but they really wanted to offer one...
Aldi have at least two similar battery systems on the go currently and they're not compatible. The Lidl stuff is much more reliable from a standardised platform perspective.
Just about everything from smaller companies in Oz is postage charged . Some go the over AUD99 ( fifty quid ) free postage , but even they are creeping to over AUD250 . Many items are no delivery service out of metro too . This is a big empty place and they don't want to give you their margin . I'm use to it now , but it annoyed me for a long time .
That battery situation makes zero sense. I’ve looked into Rutland nailers before, 18ga and 23ga, does anyone have any comments on them?
Nuh uh, Peter! First entry level cordless is the Ryobi. But the less said about that the better...
Maybe where you live, but there's no cordless Ryobi plunge saw in this country. 🤷♂️ 👍
You still have to attach the hose, so why go wireless. Is there a simple jig to rip or route off the lip from a Makita guide.
It is still more convenient, even with a hose, and you can use a bag for smaller cuts which is very convenient
I've got one (and a nice refund of the price difference between pre-order and todays new price) as I only use mine outside and have never bothered with connecting it up to a dust extractor - no workshop luxury here. I despise the power cable on my Makita plunge saw as it's always snagging on something and the fact I can't take it down to Wickes/wherever to neatly cut 8'x4' sheets to fit in the car means having to take a circular saw instead. I'd have loved to have bought the 40V Makita and have been tempted many times but the cost of the 40V battery and charger almost doubles the cost of the saw and still leaves me with another battery platform to deal with.
@@techieboy333 I have 40v makita, it is top notch :)
This battery issue is a shame as I've always been more than happy with Rutlands.
Having said that, I can't see the appeal of a cordless track saw because 99% of the time you are going to be dragging a dust extraction tube behind it. If I was going to chop up a sheet of plywood or MDF on Wickes car park, I would just take my cheap Ryobi circular saw and some sort of guide with me.
For the audience that typically follows you I'm pretty sure this Rutlands eco system is one to avoid for the reasons you stated. However; some random person that needs a tracksaw for that odd job (maybe even that only job), has no intention of building up a nice kit to do things with - well this should fit the bill rather well.
So that begs the question: Which is the niche market, that guy........ or us? :^)
Us! 😂 Price reduced by Rutlands this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔 Got to be more tempting now.
@@10MinuteWorkshop oh gawd! We're out numbered! :O
How short sighted of Rutland's it makes you wonder if as a company have they even researched this or are they just jumping on the bandwagon to cash in
What a ridiculous situation with the batteries that’s definitely a deal breaker for me.
Hi Peter looks like Rutlands are aware of the shortfalls now on offer for £199 saving of £100
Sorry that’s £195. 😮
Yes, I received the refund email this afternoon. 👍
hobby tool at best !
Can’t imagine anyone looking to buy the cheapest cordless plunge saw in the UK would really be expecting anything else? 🤷♂️ As I say in then vid, it’s essentially a cordless Triton; if that’s not for you then you should be digging deeper for eg the DeWalt or Makita. 👍
I can near guarantee that when the battery cells in the packs are worn out, Rutlands will have moved on to yet a different platform and the entire unit will end up in the bin.
Customer service from Rutlands is bordering on apalling in my experience. Returned a faulty item and there was no sign of a refund until I eventually chased them up about it. On another occasion I bought a new item and they sent me an item that had clearly been used. On both occassion they gave me reasons which were clearly excuses to cover there poor service and if I was being really cynical, practice of seeing if they could get away with it.
There products seemed to be of good quality but for me it was a case of twice bitten forever wary of buying from them, especially anything electronic.
I do not think this is the Rutlands of old, I suspect it has been the subject of a takeover at some time and not for the better.
I don't think this is the first cordless, entry-level plunge saw. There's been a Parkside one in recent months that went for about £140 without a battery.
Not in Britain; they have it in the EU, but don't bring it here unfortunately - otherwise I'd have one!
Even as a budget tool, I’d want to reuse the batteries on other tools in the range to maximise the budget…
From what I've been able to tell, this has the same battery as the excel in house range from tools4trade, I may be mistaken though. I would however not buy anything from Rutlands given my experience as a customer with them unfortunately, or at least nothing that price, too much money to risk being whisked away if their drop ship plus tools conk out on you.
They’re similar to a few different brands, but usually different enough not to be compatible. 🤷♂️👍
Could finally have been the answer for those of us who want to easily and quickly break down boards in a car park without breaking the bank. Shame.
Price reduced this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔
For my money, (which went on the corded Makita, very happy with it) there's not much to be gained from a cordless track saw. For a circular saw, it makes perfect sense, you can move around the job site without impediment.
A track saw though, is always used with a track, so you've lost portability right away; and then as soon as you've tethered it to your shop vac, it's then connected to the wall anyway.
It is still much more convenient and brushless saw is more refined and powerful (I have makita xgt one)
@@riba2233 I'm sure it might be, but I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.
@@Mikey__R completely understandable.
Wow the range looks good but the battery situation makes it a write off.
Yep. Price reduced this afternoon to £195 for the saw package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔
I wish that these saws had the blade on the left.Right hand bladed saws seem to be suited to leftys
dust collection be damned haha
It’s ridiculous their batteries are not compatible with their other tools. £295 in my opinion is not a budget saw. Enough said.
Yep, that battery compatibility is a total deal breaker...
Price reduced this afternoon to £195 for the package I bought - now cheaper than the corded Triton... 🤔
@@10MinuteWorkshop that is almost too cheap, I have a feeling that this company won't be around for long :D
@@10MinuteWorkshop it doesn’t really matter what the price is, the battery compatibility is a definite deal breaker. Having to carry its own charger and having to have both batteries in for it to work, another deal breaker. Just my thoughts 😄
@@riba2233 Corded Makita SP6000J on the continent can be purchased as low as £225.