love this. you guys actually gave good insight and its obvious you know what youre talking about. Most of the time I feel people just say "oh suspension is good, and power is good" and kind of leave it at that.
I just picked up a 2024 300xc and I’ve been LOVING IT. it’s playful and exciting. And I dislike engine braking in technical riding. Amazing video! Loved the editing and overall vibe.
Great video and nice comparison, I'm new at the sport and don't have much experience, I've been riding a 2021 yamaha yz250fx and is a very powerful and easy bike to ride, I recently bought a 2020 yz125x because I wanted to try a 2 stroke bike, and I'm so glad that I bought it, is so much fun to ride, I ride both constantly and you guys are absolutely right, the power delivery and the traction is so much better on 4strokes, when I know I'm gonna be riding on sand or loose terrain I take the 4stroke for sure, but when I'm riding on single trails with a lot of curves I love the 2t, both are a lots of fun.
thanks guys. when I looked at video I saw you both and thought (this wont tech me anything as you guys are awesome riders). but then I watched. I always had 250 and 300 2T. But was considering a 350 for my riding locations (no extreme enduro). you helped me decide to try something different. thanks heaps.
Very interesting and surprising comparison!? I have had four WR 450’s over the last seven years. Still have one. I just added a brand new 2023 Beta 300RR to the stable. Unfortunately up here in the frozen wasteland of north eastern Ontario Canada there is no way to do a comparison at the moment. One thing I’m sure I’m going to appreciate at the young age of 63, is the weight reduction! Excellent! Quality! Video!
was looking at getting a crf250r. friend recommend the 300xc.he may be onto something for trail riding. probably 80% trail and 20% tracks rides. Great review.
Just got a 2023 KTM 350 XC. I'm recovering from a back injury so I have been very very cautious and only ridden on the family farm in Southern Utah. It just seems to creep around so well and has such a nice smooth power roll on and then instant power as soon as you need it. I am excited to get some more serious riding on it under my belt. HUGE upgrade over my old 2016 350 SXF! (seriously better in every way it feels.
Awesome riding, skills are on par, and comparison added drama and quality entertainment to the mix, I think at end of the day, both bikes are incredible performers, but mechanically there are less internal parts that can beak on the 300 2 stroke, cheers
Great comparison. I wonder how much difference the tyres made, if any. Both bikes came out of it well, prop’s to KTM, they’ve nailed it with both these bikes!
@@Nuno.Alcaide I agree but back in my younger years it was always a freaking Honda or Kawasaki, so having a lot of KTM's around is a pleasant change. I'm 53 and been riding off-road since the mid seventies.
Racing gncc the 350 for sure ! Hard enduro the 300 all day errr day ! Both fantastic bikes owned em both and now stick with a 2023 300 xcw . Good vid boys . 😎
I have a 22 350XCF-W. I dropped down a tooth on the front sprocket, and now the flame out issue is resolved. Most of my riding is technical stuff and it does exceptionally well. My friends ride 300s and I'd say my setup matches them in capability. The 300 definitely has more punch, but my 350 has such a smooth predictable power delivery. After riding both I prefer mine.
The 300 is a better bike for expert riders. If you know how to use that motor, it is definitely as usable as the 350 but a lot more explosive when you need it to be.
If the 300 power valve is set up properly it can tractor like the 4 stroke i have ridden the 350 very good bike but in very technical sections it flames out i broke my kneecap inhalf and broke collar bone in 2 places onthe 4 stroke flaming out recluse clutch and you have a real comparison i now just enjoy the 2 stroke 300 harder to ride but more fun nearly 60 years old grew up on 2 strokes and will die a 2 smoker fan but the 4 strokes have come a long way full respect
The 300 XC we reviewed in this video has an electronic power valve, you can’t adjust them anymore with the TBI motor. We were surprised by how well the 4 stroke competed but at the end of the day we as well enjoy 2 strokes more! Thank you for watching
I have really old bikes but I have both 2 and 4 stroke dirt bikes I love both but I choose the 2 stroke for the most difficult terrain. Yall are riding expert level and I am not but I am intermediate and I can ride almost anywhere.
Tbh either are good for offroad and woods, I've rode 4 strokes mostly and its all in clutch control and like you guys said the new ones lug pretty good
Próbably so it has a tighter 1st & 2nd gear which would help a great deal. The torque on the 300 2t's is unbeatable in my opinion, especially for the riding their doing.
I would love to try a 4 stroke. One main reason I haven't is they are soo much louder. Most trails I ride are "outlaw" type trails. If they cant hear you they dont know your there..is what it is.
It’s gotta be both for me. After having four WR 450’s, and still having one, I purchased a new Beta 300RR. They couldn’t be any more different, especially in the deep mountainous woods here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Love ‘em both. Cheers! Thanks for the video!
That's weird at high speeds, the 300 felt more safe, usually 2 strokes are more twitchy at high speeds. That's why many guys put steering stabilizers on them.
I own both 300 xc & 350 xcf both 23’s the 300 it’s just so much more fun to ride & less tiring. Only place I would give the 350 an advantage would be road riding.
I just picked up a new Beta 300RR. I’ve been riding WR 450’s for the last seven years since I got back into dirt bikes. I’m now 63 and really looking forward to having a light and powerful two stroke. My last two stroke was a 1978 RM 125…in 1978! It’s been awhile to say the least. Unfortunately, there’s a foot and a half of snow outside up here in Northeastern Ontario Canada. Riding season is at least 2 1/2 months away
I like to ride on some technical trails. I used to ride a 350. At low speed, I was able to lift the front wheel over some obstacles without even flicking the clutch. I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently? For example, at low speed, its torque is not as good as 350, will it make my fingers more tired? thanks!
I believe you proved tires in that terrain get traction by not spinning and the 2 stroke can lug at lower rpms. We run hare scrambles in the east and the 350 is more suited to XC racing with some speed, where honestly the 2 strokes can do both, slow technical terrain and faster XC.
I wish it was that easy to come upon new bikes! Haha The new 350 is pretty awesome, I’ve rode it. More aggressive race feeling, I doubt it would do as good in the rocks as the 22.
Had 250cc 2 stroke, moved on to KTM 250excf then 350excf. 2 stroke great fun but too wild. 250 four lot easier ride, climbing loose trails. Just missed that punch when you need it. 350excf took a few trails getting use to extra power. Still miss the 2 stroke.
I like this one because I have a 2022 350. I would have liked it if you picked it as the winner since my money is already spent, but I think the 350 might be the better choice for me.
If i rode a 70% flowy NE or SE woods single track with 30 percent MX, I would go with the 4 stroke. BUT, if you go back and forth 50/50, the 300 is better. Especially if mostly slimy woods trails.
I’m not a fan of auto Recluse clutches, they make riders learn bad habits but some people like them. The XCF 350 is an incredible bike, it doesn’t need anything to be a great beginner bike. I don’t like the restricted power on the W models but if dual sporting is your plan it may be good.
Rekluse is for freeing your mind and keeping your fingers on the grip when your in those tough down hill oh shits moments, when you can’t afford to stall or when in a hard enduro situation like navigating through boulders and very steep hill climbs or if your hare scramble and like to drag the rear brake. The rekluse is probably the biggest mod you can do to a bike that improves your skill instantly. Im talking going on a rough trip with your friends looking like a C class tard to Garham Jarvis making it look easy.
@@XploreEnduro why are you comparing professional riders to us mere mortals that enjoy the benefits of a rekluse? Rekluse clutch is great don’t try to sway people away from it. It’s very practical in every sense. And please spare us the regurgitated training nonsense! We be just goin out for a ride. Love ya :)
@@XploreEnduro ya ive been ridding one it will definitely smoke the stock tpi bikes and the 17 plus carb bikes . Still a little weaker than a 12 to 16 pre counter balanced motor if it tuned right but thats mostly because the counter balancer is like a big flywheel weight and it makes em rev slowly off the bottom.
really good video! I'd like to buy a 300, but I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently than the 350? For example, at low speed, I can do a wheelie to jump some holes whitout using the clutch on the 350, can I do the same thing on the 300 2 stroke? I mean, its torque is not as good as 350 at low speed, will it make my fingers more tired? on the other words, can I lift the front wheel easily without flicking the clutch at a low speed? thanks!
The 300 will do 5x better at that in my opinion. The low end snap is significantly stronger than the 350 and the 300s idle so low that the clutching isn’t as important.
Longevity of each? Then cost to rebuild each? Yup I'm guessing the 2 stroke is more affordable in the long run. Because the 4 stroke is highly stressed vs the 2-stroke.
@@XploreEnduro my friend has a kid who has been racing ktm 250 4 strokes and he has only been getting a year out of the motor, before a rebuild. He is completely unsatisfied with it.
@@joeyholthusen6495 ya, 250s are the biggest financial pit in the dirtbike game. Not many guys could ride a 350 hard enough to go through a motor in a year.
@@XploreEnduro myself I'm built thick, and I weigh a solid 240 pounds in my boxers, I grew up with 2 strokes and absolutely enjoy riding them, don't get me wrong. The only 4 stroke I own is a yamaha raptor 770cc with a plus 3mm intake valves plus 2mm exhaust valves, stage 3 cam, 11:1 compression piston, 105.5mm cylinder and piston, plus 5mm stroker crankshaft. In 4th gear I can pull it up at 75mph then shift into 5th and it's just stupid. It's geared to the moon. Btw... smallest dirtbike 4 stroke probably a 500cc 2-stroke, even thought about a Maico 700 2-stroke, or a 701 husqvarna 4 stroke. Been riding motorcycle since I was 6 years old, I started on my dad's Honda scrambler 175cc and had to start and stop at the picnic table because I couldn't touch the ground.
@@joeyholthusen6495 Did the top on on my 350 XC-F at 192 hours and it was still really fresh inside. It could have went a while longer, and I only change the oil every 12 hours. I know guys who have gone over 350 hours before opening it up.
KTM 300xc all day! Mixing gas & kicking a$z! The KTM 350 xc-f does have a wicked long powerband that revs to the moon. I'll always go with the cheaper & easier to maintain 300xc smoker! 2t for life! At least off-road.
at 9:15 it did not appear you did your 100% but were biased over the 2t. There was nothing technical about that section, just momentum and tire pressure.
We don’t run tire pressure, they are bib mousses similar to 7-9 PSI. It is a highly technical section that is easier performed on a 2 stroke but obviously everything always comes back to rider skill. I would love for you to show us how it’s done :)
In 8:29 the guy in the 300 take the pop of the clutch before the obstacle… and during the of camper terrain the rear wheel follows the front wheel and that’s all… in the 350 guy no pop of the clutch before the of camper terrain and steady gas during the of camper terrain and crash for sure. There is no 2 stroke and 4 stroke war people it is all about technique… and only technique. Tony boo race trials in a 4 stroke machine just think about it… it is all about technique
I have a '19 450xcf . I just sold my '23 300xc a few days ago. I wanted to get down to one bike and for some reason, I just enjoy my 450 a little better. I ride woods and mostly single track and it does great. The 300 is good, as I have had 2 strokes primary for last 8 years but I just enjoy the 450 more. It's not overpowering on the trails for me and I'm no pro rider.
@@BLSdarrin I’m a strong believer that much of the “450 is too much crowd” doesn’t understand how you can ride a gear or two up and keep it from ripping your arms off, all the while having gobs of bottom end torque anywhere when needed. It’s easy to understand that the majority of us dirt bike guys probably aren’t the brightest, therefore trying to not ride up in the revs and changing style isn’t typically something people can do lol
@@derekwoods8199 Then what's the point lol you shift up just to make it more like the 350 down a gear? Sounds unnecessary and more expensive. You have a strange way of measuring intelligence. Not everyone who rides is a hick and it's nowhere near the most dangerous hobby.. I think it's not about whether we understand something, it's how we understand it.
@@jwvspupsv1679 the XC is the two stroke. The XCF is the four stroke. The F at the end stands for four. They are the same Cross Country platform, just different motor type and size.
Meh I like bigger bore power, hence I restored one of my old dinosaur 380 EXC's, I love that old motor but I sure miss a newer chassis. Maybe I will do an engine swap just for giggles.
@@XploreEnduro Yes I do know that, my office is right next to BRC's and I own a race shop to boot. More just musing about the old school 380's. I was not talking about doing a big bore, I was talking about swapping the 380 into a newer chassis which I know would be a big fat waste of $$ in the end but it still would be cool.
@@XploreEnduro never met anyone that rides at any level above beginner that doesn’t set up a bike when they buy it. Never thought of just riding it completely stock before. You set up suspension or try different tires?
@@mikeybstunts I’m not disagreeing with you and I apologize if my comment came across rude. I own the 350 for fast racing, I will ride a 2 stroke if I’m going to focus on technical. I can honestly say I’ve never changed gearing on a single one of my 20 dirtbikes over the years, I think it has more to do with clutch control. Other than protection parts, I rarely change anything other than clickers on my bikes. I love to set them up but can hardly afford it so I’ve learned to enjoy what the brand engineers have given us. I’ve found that stock bikes are just as capable as $20k bikes, it’s all dependent upon the rider.
@@XploreEnduro came off a bit rude but no worries. I ride British Columbia so a lot of tech wet single track. The 13 tooth is the most common mod that the racers do up here. Might not be best for fast desert riding. I did however like the gearing in moab.
Thsi can't be right 😆! You can't contradict all the 2-stroke religion! Seriously, I feel the same way, and after many many bikes, settled on the 350 as my bike of choice. I need to go try the new chassis 350.
He also has a lot of weight on that bike.. I'm 140 pounds, I'll get up that hill on a 125. Not that it matters. Always loved ktm, went with a YZ once to save money and regretted it.
One thing is it can be hard to ride 2T and 4T back to back for comparison as they take a different riding style. I have last generation 300XC & 250XCF and they ride very different and takes me 20-30minutes to adapt sometimes. They both have their place. I ride 300 for Hard Enduro days and 250f for flowier and family days. Both weight the same, 250f feels heavier due to rotational mass 300 can be more of a handful with so much power on tap. Own both, best of both worlds!
I completely agree! I’d even say 5 hours on each motor is how long it takes me to adjust my riding style. Yes, the engine braking and rotational mass make the 4 stroke feel heavier although they are actually pretty similar on the scale. I agree having both would be awesome!
good review! I like to ride on some technical trails. I used to ride a 350. At low speed, I was able to lift the front wheel over some obstacles without even flicking the clutch. I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently? For example, at low speed, its torque is not as good as 350, will it make my fingers more tired? thanks!
@@JayVibe2022 ehh. I always use a clutch for almost everything I do on a bike but the 300 has double of a low end hit over the 350 so I’d assume you would like it even more!
Maybe when it’s updated in 2024. Everyone already knows how the XCW TPI performs, it’s a 6 year old bike. Sure, it’s better for rocks but it’s not the right bike to stack up against a 350 XCF.
@@jetdr i understand what you’re saying but technical riding isn’t out only terrain, the XC is much more versatile for what we do. I’m not a fan of TSP, the kit we bought made the bike significantly worse and they did almost nothing to fix it.
@@XploreEnduro interesting, I am actually looking at the 350 xc-f, I live on the East Coast and most of the trails I ride are fire roads. I have been a 2stroke guy for over 20 years, but I am ready for an easier ride, one that isn't a semi tame beast trying to kill me.
@@XploreEnduro Well, I saw how you guys treated those bikes and I don't want my bike to become too accustomed to laying in the dirt that much.😂 No, but really it was a good video.
I was being dramatic. They probably have a max mileage of 45 miles if you are riding them hard tho. If just rolling around, probably get more. Similar fuel mileage as the TPI from our testing.
Both bikes are bone stock except protection parts. The 2 stroke won the shootout. Yes, we both own these bikes as our personals. It’s a fun comparison, not a paid ad with free bikes from KTM 🤣
love this. you guys actually gave good insight and its obvious you know what youre talking about. Most of the time I feel people just say "oh suspension is good, and power is good" and kind of leave it at that.
Thank you, I appreciate that! As I edit these videos I wonder if anyone will make sense of my jabbering so this is helpful 🤣 Thank you for watching
There’s no other comparison video like this, pure gold guys 🤟
Thank you!! It was fun to create haha
I just picked up a 2024 300xc and I’ve been LOVING IT. it’s playful and exciting. And I dislike engine braking in technical riding. Amazing video! Loved the editing and overall vibe.
Great video and nice comparison, I'm new at the sport and don't have much experience, I've been riding a 2021 yamaha yz250fx and is a very powerful and easy bike to ride, I recently bought a 2020 yz125x because I wanted to try a 2 stroke bike, and I'm so glad that I bought it, is so much fun to ride, I ride both constantly and you guys are absolutely right, the power delivery and the traction is so much better on 4strokes, when I know I'm gonna be riding on sand or loose terrain I take the 4stroke for sure, but when I'm riding on single trails with a lot of curves I love the 2t, both are a lots of fun.
I'm an old guy and love this video. Great job! But I will always be a 250 two stroke guy. Thanks.
Thank you! Hard to beat the 250 2 stroke, super versatile and fun!
I’m a 300 man also, I have the 22 exc (xc-w). I find you just can’t beat that nimbleness and power punch, it never fails to make me smile!
They are fantastic bikes, I can't wait to see the 2024 updated enduro range!
thanks guys. when I looked at video I saw you both and thought (this wont tech me anything as you guys are awesome riders). but then I watched. I always had 250 and 300 2T. But was considering a 350 for my riding locations (no extreme enduro). you helped me decide to try something different. thanks heaps.
Awesome comparison. It’s cool to see honest opinions that aren’t based on ad dollars from manufacturers pushing favorable reviews for their products
Thank you, it is fun to try and share our thoughts!
Subscribed. Great comparison and good call on 300. There is a reason why all the top guys ride 300 in hard enduro. Keep it coming. 👍
@@retrograde11 thank you!!
Very interesting and surprising comparison!? I have had four WR 450’s over the last seven years. Still have one. I just added a brand new 2023 Beta 300RR to the stable. Unfortunately up here in the frozen wasteland of north eastern Ontario Canada there is no way to do a comparison at the moment. One thing I’m sure I’m going to appreciate at the young age of 63, is the weight reduction! Excellent! Quality! Video!
Thank you very much!! Enjoy the new Beta
was looking at getting a crf250r. friend recommend the 300xc.he may be onto something for trail riding. probably 80% trail and 20% tracks rides. Great review.
Just got a 2023 KTM 350 XC. I'm recovering from a back injury so I have been very very cautious and only ridden on the family farm in Southern Utah. It just seems to creep around so well and has such a nice smooth power roll on and then instant power as soon as you need it. I am excited to get some more serious riding on it under my belt. HUGE upgrade over my old 2016 350 SXF! (seriously better in every way it feels.
Awesome riding, skills are on par, and comparison added drama and quality entertainment to the mix, I think at end of the day, both bikes are incredible performers, but mechanically there are less internal parts that can beak on the 300 2 stroke, cheers
Great comparison. I wonder how much difference the tyres made, if any. Both bikes came out of it well, prop’s to KTM, they’ve nailed it with both these bikes!
The 350 tires were half bald and had bib mousses. The 300 were 3/4 tread and tubes. So definitely a bit of a difference 👍🏼
Soft Mousse vs Tubes a big difference in traction.
Best dirt bike video I`ve seen this year.....and I don`t even like KTM bikes!! 😃
Great work, riding, and editing! 🤩
Keep up with it. 😊
Thank you! That means a lot because I spent a lot of time on this one, some of the rude comments get under my skin haha. I appreciate it!
Don't like ktm?...that's weird
@@otallono, for me, weird is liking the same bike that everyone has.. 😄
@@Nuno.Alcaide I agree but back in my younger years it was always a freaking Honda or Kawasaki, so having a lot of KTM's around is a pleasant change. I'm 53 and been riding off-road since the mid seventies.
Racing gncc the 350 for sure ! Hard enduro the 300 all day errr day ! Both fantastic bikes owned em both and now stick with a 2023 300 xcw . Good vid boys . 😎
For sure! Awesome, thank you.
I have a 22 350XCF-W. I dropped down a tooth on the front sprocket, and now the flame out issue is resolved. Most of my riding is technical stuff and it does exceptionally well. My friends ride 300s and I'd say my setup matches them in capability. The 300 definitely has more punch, but my 350 has such a smooth predictable power delivery. After riding both I prefer mine.
I have the same bike what trail upgrades have you done
The 300 is a better bike for expert riders. If you know how to use that motor, it is definitely as usable as the 350 but a lot more explosive when you need it to be.
Awesome comparison video. Looked fun as hell too 🤙
If the 300 power valve is set up properly it can tractor like the 4 stroke i have ridden the 350 very good bike but in very technical sections it flames out i broke my kneecap inhalf and broke collar bone in 2 places onthe 4 stroke flaming out recluse clutch and you have a real comparison i now just enjoy the 2 stroke 300 harder to ride but more fun nearly 60 years old grew up on 2 strokes and will die a 2 smoker fan but the 4 strokes have come a long way full respect
The 300 XC we reviewed in this video has an electronic power valve, you can’t adjust them anymore with the TBI motor. We were surprised by how well the 4 stroke competed but at the end of the day we as well enjoy 2 strokes more! Thank you for watching
Nice edit J Man... surprised how well the 350 did in the rocks!
Thanks man! It was pretty shocking how much easier it was to ride on some of the loose gnar.
Decent video and provides food for thought. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
I have really old bikes but I have both 2 and 4 stroke dirt bikes I love both but I choose the 2 stroke for the most difficult terrain. Yall are riding expert level and I am not but I am intermediate and I can ride almost anywhere.
For technical xc-w is sow much better,more buttom end! Great video!
Yeah, the XC is not the right 300 for this kind of riding. That's what they have the 300 XC-W!
Try a 2T larger rear Sprocket on the four stroke 350xcf to get up the hill in your video at 11:40.
Excellent video. Thank you for this
Thank you
great video, lovely terrain that you have there !
Good vid. Liking the vs
I'm torn between these two as my first (in many years) enduro.
Both great bikes until it’s time to rebuild. Then 2 stroke rules.
Makes me want to go buy a 2 stroke! Just like the good ole days!
Great video! Thanks, where abouts are you guys riding epic terrain!!
Sand Hollow, UT! Thanks!
@@XploreEnduro that's a long way from Washington! Wish we had stuff like that here!
Loved this review 🔥
This is really nice comparison. But I have to think that 90% of the market for both these bikes would have zero access to this type of terrain.
Thanks! Possibly, the Western USA has plenty of open terrain like this.
Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico , California, Arizona all look like this in some parts
Awesome video man!
Thanks Dylan!
Tbh either are good for offroad and woods, I've rode 4 strokes mostly and its all in clutch control and like you guys said the new ones lug pretty good
Wondering what tires you have on the bikes or are they the same rear tire?
XC? I'd think the XC-W would be better in that technical stuffs.
100%
Próbably so it has a tighter 1st & 2nd gear which would help a great deal. The torque on the 300 2t's is unbeatable in my opinion, especially for the riding their doing.
Definitely
I would love to try a 4 stroke. One main reason I haven't is they are soo much louder. Most trails I ride are "outlaw" type trails. If they cant hear you they dont know your there..is what it is.
Understandable. Trust me, most outlaw trails are better on a 2 stroke anyways!
It’s gotta be both for me. After having four WR 450’s, and still having one, I purchased a new Beta 300RR. They couldn’t be any more different, especially in the deep mountainous woods here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Love ‘em both. Cheers! Thanks for the video!
F💩cking Tosser,
@@TheKitchenTechnicianSame - different tools for different jobs 👌🏼
That's weird at high speeds, the 300 felt more safe, usually 2 strokes are more twitchy at high speeds. That's why many guys put steering stabilizers on them.
Looking back on it now, it was definitely because the 300 was the updated frame. It’s much more planted than the old frame on the 350.
Xplore have you tried the new gen 350xcf?! (23/24/25)... looking for a good review
I own both 300 xc & 350 xcf both 23’s the 300 it’s just so much more fun to ride & less tiring. Only place I would give the 350 an advantage would be road riding.
I just picked up a new Beta 300RR. I’ve been riding WR 450’s for the last seven years since I got back into dirt bikes. I’m now 63 and really looking forward to having a light and powerful two stroke. My last two stroke was a 1978 RM 125…in 1978! It’s been awhile to say the least. Unfortunately, there’s a foot and a half of snow outside up here in Northeastern Ontario Canada. Riding season is at least 2 1/2 months away
@@TheKitchenTechnician Put studded tires on and go rip!!!
I like to ride on some technical trails. I used to ride a 350. At low speed, I was able to lift the front wheel over some obstacles without even flicking the clutch. I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently? For example, at low speed, its torque is not as good as 350, will it make my fingers more tired? thanks!
@@JayVibe2022 You will use more clutch. But thats a good thing. Your fingers will adapt.
Like too see u on the new 2024 350 that would be good
It's all the riders skill and preference I love both I like the 4t in the faster pace stuff but in the hills/slower more aggressive 2t all day
Absolutely!
I believe you proved tires in that terrain get traction by not spinning and the 2 stroke can lug at lower rpms. We run hare scrambles in the east and the 350 is more suited to XC racing with some speed, where honestly the 2 strokes can do both, slow technical terrain and faster XC.
2023 300XC all day !
Wish you were comparing the new 2023 models of both bikes! Great vid though. Thx
I wish it was that easy to come upon new bikes! Haha The new 350 is pretty awesome, I’ve rode it. More aggressive race feeling, I doubt it would do as good in the rocks as the 22.
I love my 350, identical bike as yours... would love to know what you had your suspension set at.
I wonder how the gyro effects the handling
Had 250cc 2 stroke, moved on to KTM 250excf then 350excf. 2 stroke great fun but too wild. 250 four lot easier ride, climbing loose trails. Just missed that punch when you need it. 350excf took a few trails getting use to extra power. Still miss the 2 stroke.
I think a second comparison is in order for a Tpi bike on the older chassis
I have a few TPI bike reviews on my channel, don't currently own one to test!
Were the tires the same on both bikes?
No but pretty similar compound. I wish we could create a perfect scenario like that but not feasible. We were mostly focusing on the motor differences
Would be nice to have seen the updated 350 2023 model that has more power and is re designed.
I agree. Maybe KTM will borrow us one 😂
I like this one because I have a 2022 350. I would have liked it if you picked it as the winner since my money is already spent, but I think the 350 might be the better choice for me.
Best two bikes now by far, however you need to do 2024's now...
Was final gearing the same on both bikes? The 300 could be better if geared lower for the slow technical.
Stock gearing. Yes but then it would lack for the fast sections.
If i rode a 70% flowy NE or SE woods single track with 30 percent MX, I would go with the 4 stroke. BUT, if you go back and forth 50/50, the 300 is better. Especially if mostly slimy woods trails.
How about both?
I want to add a 350 XC-F to my stable soo bad.
Did the 350 have any mods such as suspension revalving, etc? Good info, thanks!
No, it is entirely stock besides some protection parts and bib mousses
Nice ride…. What about adding a recluse to the 350? Or having the xcf-w? Or both. Thoughts?
Trying to decide… first bike, 6’2 210
I’m not a fan of auto Recluse clutches, they make riders learn bad habits but some people like them. The XCF 350 is an incredible bike, it doesn’t need anything to be a great beginner bike. I don’t like the restricted power on the W models but if dual sporting is your plan it may be good.
@@XploreEnduro They are desert riding. No need for a rekluse at all. The rekluse is for tough climbs and such.
Rekluse is for freeing your mind and keeping your fingers on the grip when your in those tough down hill oh shits moments, when you can’t afford to stall or when in a hard enduro situation like navigating through boulders and very steep hill climbs or if your hare scramble and like to drag the rear brake. The rekluse is probably the biggest mod you can do to a bike that improves your skill instantly. Im talking going on a rough trip with your friends looking like a C class tard to Garham Jarvis making it look easy.
You want a recommendation on a bike tell me what you want to ride I’ll tell you what to get and why.
@@XploreEnduro why are you comparing professional riders to us mere mortals that enjoy the benefits of a rekluse? Rekluse clutch is great don’t try to sway people away from it. It’s very practical in every sense. And please spare us the regurgitated training nonsense! We be just goin out for a ride. Love ya :)
We used to compare the 200 2 strokes to 350 4 strokes and 300 2 strokes to 450 4 strokes but that was before efi slowed down the 2 strokes .
Gotcha. The 23 XC TBI will smoke the carbed motors, it’s a real gem compared to the TPI models.
@@XploreEnduro ya ive been ridding one it will definitely smoke the stock tpi bikes and the 17 plus carb bikes . Still a little weaker than a 12 to 16 pre counter balanced motor if it tuned right but thats mostly because the counter balancer is like a big flywheel weight and it makes em rev slowly off the bottom.
really good video! I'd like to buy a 300, but I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently than the 350? For example, at low speed, I can do a wheelie to jump some holes whitout using the clutch on the 350, can I do the same thing on the 300 2 stroke? I mean, its torque is not as good as 350 at low speed, will it make my fingers more tired? on the other words, can I lift the front wheel easily without flicking the clutch at a low speed? thanks!
The 300 will do 5x better at that in my opinion. The low end snap is significantly stronger than the 350 and the 300s idle so low that the clutching isn’t as important.
@@XploreEnduro oh, sounds so good! thank you so much.
@@JayVibe2022 I had a 2009 300 and it was a tractor. I'd imagine these new motors developed that even more.
Longevity of each? Then cost to rebuild each? Yup I'm guessing the 2 stroke is more affordable in the long run. Because the 4 stroke is highly stressed vs the 2-stroke.
2 strokes are always more affordable. But the 350 motors last a really long time in most cases, like 3x the 300 per top end.
@@XploreEnduro my friend has a kid who has been racing ktm 250 4 strokes and he has only been getting a year out of the motor, before a rebuild. He is completely unsatisfied with it.
@@joeyholthusen6495 ya, 250s are the biggest financial pit in the dirtbike game. Not many guys could ride a 350 hard enough to go through a motor in a year.
@@XploreEnduro myself I'm built thick, and I weigh a solid 240 pounds in my boxers, I grew up with 2 strokes and absolutely enjoy riding them, don't get me wrong. The only 4 stroke I own is a yamaha raptor 770cc with a plus 3mm intake valves plus 2mm exhaust valves, stage 3 cam, 11:1 compression piston, 105.5mm cylinder and piston, plus 5mm stroker crankshaft. In 4th gear I can pull it up at 75mph then shift into 5th and it's just stupid. It's geared to the moon. Btw... smallest dirtbike 4 stroke probably a 500cc 2-stroke, even thought about a Maico 700 2-stroke, or a 701 husqvarna 4 stroke. Been riding motorcycle since I was 6 years old, I started on my dad's Honda scrambler 175cc and had to start and stop at the picnic table because I couldn't touch the ground.
@@joeyholthusen6495 Did the top on on my 350 XC-F at 192 hours and it was still really fresh inside. It could have went a while longer, and I only change the oil every 12 hours. I know guys who have gone over 350 hours before opening it up.
just hit 30 hrs on my 2025 TX300 TBI and am loving it 57hp whish the AMA would let the 300's race the 450f class
KTM 300xc all day! Mixing gas & kicking a$z! The KTM 350 xc-f does have a wicked long powerband that revs to the moon. I'll always go with the cheaper & easier to maintain 300xc smoker! 2t for life! At least off-road.
at 9:15 it did not appear you did your 100% but were biased over the 2t. There was nothing technical about that section, just momentum and tire pressure.
We don’t run tire pressure, they are bib mousses similar to 7-9 PSI. It is a highly technical section that is easier performed on a 2 stroke but obviously everything always comes back to rider skill. I would love for you to show us how it’s done :)
In 8:29 the guy in the 300 take the pop of the clutch before the obstacle… and during the of camper terrain the rear wheel follows the front wheel and that’s all… in the 350 guy no pop of the clutch before the of camper terrain and steady gas during the of camper terrain and crash for sure. There is no 2 stroke and 4 stroke war people it is all about technique… and only technique. Tony boo race trials in a 4 stroke machine just think about it… it is all about technique
Did you have the aftermarket map switch on the 300?
The stock map switch that comes on the 2023 XC.
@@XploreEnduro do you notice a big difference between the two settings? I figured the map 1 would be similar, somewhat to the 350 output.
How do you think the KTM 450XCF would do?
I prefer the 350 over the 450 but both are great bikes! The 450 motor just has to much power for most riders.
I have a '19 450xcf . I just sold my '23 300xc a few days ago. I wanted to get down to one bike and for some reason, I just enjoy my 450 a little better. I ride woods and mostly single track and it does great. The 300 is good, as I have had 2 strokes primary for last 8 years but I just enjoy the 450 more. It's not overpowering on the trails for me and I'm no pro rider.
@@BLSdarrin I think 450's get a bad rap for being too powerful and wearing riders out. Glad we got to hear from a 450 fan.
@@BLSdarrin I’m a strong believer that much of the “450 is too much crowd” doesn’t understand how you can ride a gear or two up and keep it from ripping your arms off, all the while having gobs of bottom end torque anywhere when needed. It’s easy to understand that the majority of us dirt bike guys probably aren’t the brightest, therefore trying to not ride up in the revs and changing style isn’t typically something people can do lol
@@derekwoods8199 Then what's the point lol you shift up just to make it more like the 350 down a gear? Sounds unnecessary and more expensive. You have a strange way of measuring intelligence. Not everyone who rides is a hick and it's nowhere near the most dangerous hobby.. I think it's not about whether we understand something, it's how we understand it.
Is the 350 on stock gearing?
Yes
300 ALL THE WAY !!
how much heavier is the 350?? I was told only 4 to 5 pounds extra
Yes. The actual weight is super similar but the 350 naturally feels heavier. I think it’s due to 4 stroke motor engine braking and enertia
@@XploreEnduro You guys are some gifted riders,, great video
I have a both ,switch off depending on conditions
That would be the dream team!
Is the 2 stroke the xcf or the xcw ?
@@jwvspupsv1679 the XC is the two stroke. The XCF is the four stroke. The F at the end stands for four. They are the same Cross Country platform, just different motor type and size.
Maybe I missed it. Are they running auto clutches?
No both bikes are pretty much stock
Meh I like bigger bore power, hence I restored one of my old dinosaur 380 EXC's, I love that old motor but I sure miss a newer chassis. Maybe I will do an engine swap just for giggles.
There is plenty of big bore options in the new chassis 👍🏼
@@XploreEnduro Yes I do know that, my office is right next to BRC's and I own a race shop to boot. More just musing about the old school 380's. I was not talking about doing a big bore, I was talking about swapping the 380 into a newer chassis which I know would be a big fat waste of $$ in the end but it still would be cool.
Great review 👍
I want a 350 2 stroke
4 stroke all the way and definitely that 350 is sick
4 strokes make up for skill and endurance. Nothing groundbreaking here.
Need to go down a tooth on the 350 for the hard stuff
Or just have fun riding it stock 😃 Works great!
@@XploreEnduro 👍
@@XploreEnduro never met anyone that rides at any level above beginner that doesn’t set up a bike when they buy it. Never thought of just riding it completely stock before. You set up suspension or try different tires?
@@mikeybstunts I’m not disagreeing with you and I apologize if my comment came across rude. I own the 350 for fast racing, I will ride a 2 stroke if I’m going to focus on technical. I can honestly say I’ve never changed gearing on a single one of my 20 dirtbikes over the years, I think it has more to do with clutch control. Other than protection parts, I rarely change anything other than clickers on my bikes. I love to set them up but can hardly afford it so I’ve learned to enjoy what the brand engineers have given us. I’ve found that stock bikes are just as capable as $20k bikes, it’s all dependent upon the rider.
@@XploreEnduro came off a bit rude but no worries. I ride British Columbia so a lot of tech wet single track. The 13 tooth is the most common mod that the racers do up here. Might not be best for fast desert riding. I did however like the gearing in moab.
Thsi can't be right 😆! You can't contradict all the 2-stroke religion! Seriously, I feel the same way, and after many many bikes, settled on the 350 as my bike of choice. I need to go try the new chassis 350.
Great comparison👍
It would be even a harder comparison with 2023 cxf 350
He also has a lot of weight on that bike.. I'm 140 pounds, I'll get up that hill on a 125. Not that it matters. Always loved ktm, went with a YZ once to save money and regretted it.
Just a dry loose day with bald tires. We climb that hill very often without issue. That hill is most fun on a 125!
One thing is it can be hard to ride 2T and 4T back to back for comparison as they take a different riding style.
I have last generation 300XC & 250XCF and they ride very different and takes me 20-30minutes to adapt sometimes. They both have their place.
I ride 300 for Hard Enduro days and 250f for flowier and family days.
Both weight the same, 250f feels heavier due to rotational mass 300 can be more of a handful with so much power on tap.
Own both, best of both worlds!
I completely agree! I’d even say 5 hours on each motor is how long it takes me to adjust my riding style.
Yes, the engine braking and rotational mass make the 4 stroke feel heavier although they are actually pretty similar on the scale.
I agree having both would be awesome!
good review! I like to ride on some technical trails. I used to ride a 350. At low speed, I was able to lift the front wheel over some obstacles without even flicking the clutch. I wonder if 300 TPI will use the clutch more frequently? For example, at low speed, its torque is not as good as 350, will it make my fingers more tired? thanks!
@@JayVibe2022 ehh. I always use a clutch for almost everything I do on a bike but the 300 has double of a low end hit over the 350 so I’d assume you would like it even more!
should have tested the 300 xc-w for that style of riding.
Maybe when it’s updated in 2024. Everyone already knows how the XCW TPI performs, it’s a 6 year old bike. Sure, it’s better for rocks but it’s not the right bike to stack up against a 350 XCF.
@@XploreEnduro install the tsp kit and that Bike will rip!! then still crawl up a wall.
@@jetdr i understand what you’re saying but technical riding isn’t out only terrain, the XC is much more versatile for what we do. I’m not a fan of TSP, the kit we bought made the bike significantly worse and they did almost nothing to fix it.
@@XploreEnduro interesting, I am actually looking at the 350 xc-f, I live on the East Coast and most of the trails I ride are fire roads. I have been a 2stroke guy for over 20 years, but I am ready for an easier ride, one that isn't a semi tame beast trying to kill me.
@@jetdr the 350 motor is definitely easier to handle for me being that I’m an out of shape weekend warrior. It just isn’t quite as fun! Haha
You should have used the 300 XC-W
Could you send us one to test? :)
@@XploreEnduro Well, I saw how you guys treated those bikes and I don't want my bike to become too accustomed to laying in the dirt that much.😂 No, but really it was a good video.
@@XploreEnduro PM me. I have a 2022 XC-W you can test. Ill even bring it to St George.
@@robs4517 😂😂 that was good! The 22 XCW is such a great TPI bike, I rode one for just a bit and felt the 22 was very refined and great.
20 minutes riding on the 300xc and it needs refuelling? You want to verify this or happy to stay on record?
I was being dramatic. They probably have a max mileage of 45 miles if you are riding them hard tho. If just rolling around, probably get more. Similar fuel mileage as the TPI from our testing.
The 250XC is the sweet spot, not near as tiring as the 300.
what about a 250 geared down 4 stroke with a Rekluse. Thats what i got.
You guys riding 300 turf
Now factor in rebuild cost…
Don’t let your moms see you up on the side of them mesas. She gonna be mad. 😀👍🇺🇸
Calm down pa! Momma knows best
In the desert I'm taking the 4T. I ride dense northern woods, very much 2T territory. They both have their ups and downs.
Absolutely!
2stroke everyday all day forever
power-wise the 450 is almost identical to the 300. That would be a better comparison.
4t of course
The 300 2 strokes record is on the wall all over the world,professional riders know there the best.
I feel like the 300xc’s from 23-24 are much closer to the SX than the xcw. So stiff and aggressive
which is why they were having trouble climbing some of these hills. The XC-W is the way!
Looks like the 4-stroke is the guys personal bike. Not really a fair comparison if he has it set up for himself, especially the suspension
Both bikes are bone stock except protection parts. The 2 stroke won the shootout. Yes, we both own these bikes as our personals. It’s a fun comparison, not a paid ad with free bikes from KTM 🤣
2 stroke or no go. If you’re not mixin’ gas and slappin’ ass, what’s the point?