I'd say the reason the playerbase is getting worse is because alot of extremely valuable information about the mechanics of the game is outright missing. Some players I've been with up at t7 have no idea how overmatch works or have no idea what improved pen angles mean.
As time elapses, there are more and more bad players at higher tiers simply because they've had enough time and games of 800 xp to grind through to the Iowa or Kagero or Amalfi. It used to be that time x skill was the barrier to entry for higher tiers but anyone who has floated around aimlessly for long enough should have at least one tier 7. And for some reason, they just love getting wiped rather than actually learn how to improve. It's baffling to me.
For me it's mostly that the casuals were forced to play with act like you question their entire existence when you simply help a guy answer his problems and issues, and then its that everyone thinks that they have the best intentions so no one is willing to work as a team unless your an experienced hardcore player. Its just sad really because I completely agree that it's honestly basic game fundamentals with just a little logical thinking as you stated....
I'd rather my destroyers be AFK at least they can still spot while AFK it's when they Rush in and die in the first 2 minutes that's the most useless destroyer player
I've been playing for a year and a half now, I think the Christmas 2023 campaign and Jager campaign brought in a massive wave of newer players. By now those players have ground up to t8 TTs and are getting thier first couple L tier ships. Since Brisbane campaign I've noticed a severe uptick in AFK players, abandoned flanks, all blue BBs in the same square, DDs doing nothing, and throwing away HP. Ive also noticed since maybe the Johan campaign that base XP totals are just down across the board. Teams are folding so fast that either you win, but red dies in 5 minutes giving you maybe 1800-2k XP because there just wasn't enough time to do much of anything, or you lose and get like 1300-1500 because your team folded in fourinutes and now you're being focused by 6 enemy ships. After they added hybrids I quit playing. Playing standard feels more like a chore nowadays than anything.
I'm a mobile player, I left World of warships Blitz because the 7 vs 7 matches were full of bots even in the high tiers, my Winrate was 65%, I came to Legends because of the graphics and because of the games always complete with Players and without bots. My first contact with Legends was through UA-cam, channels like ARON and PgRapidz were what gave me a basis on how to play Legends, Today I have 1 year of Legends, 6k battles and a Winrate of 62.30%. For a mobile player we were limited, without legendary skill in commanders, without permanent camouflages, without CVs and No cannon turret camera angle, I consider myself a great gamer thanks to players like you.
@@DanielV907 Seeing people throwing in matches at this tier is like seeing people throwing away their braincells. Most of them are so brainless. They really are the most competent players in the game aren't they? Cuz it's the highest tier, so of course these people are very highly skilled, right? No.
Very solid as always my guy. I'll always support the game and content creators no matter what because I think the hardcore player base deserved better imo. Personally I've stepped away from Legends again recently because I wanna play new up to date games that reward me for being a try hard so to speak, and yes mostly player base has caused me to take breaks and leave.
I think one thing that plays a huge factor is game momentum. There's always new players cycling in and out, and if you grind a particular line, it doesn't take much to get up to the higher tiers. BUT... all things being equal, if you have one side of the map that crumbles because of a mistake, bad position, unlucky random/zoning torpedo(s) that eliminate a key class on a particular side. For example, you lose your spotting destroyer, you're a cruiser and the enemy has 2 battleships etc... It takes a great player to overcome that situation, so what is likely going to happen is all 3 friendly ships on that flank die, while no one on the enemy team dies... Then you have this disastrous momentum that ensures where you're team is forever outnumbered (getting worse with each death) until you lose... not to mention they probably now have great cross fire positions... So basically it really can take that first key death early on to determine the course of the match.
Today I had a Iowa shooting a fail div queen Elisabeth with he from 12km . I just tell him after he died. “Hey man, you should probably shoot AP next time. Gg” he then tells me that AP won’t do anything at that range.
Your points are spot on. I am one who has learned from your videos. When i was new i was that noob who put my bb in reverse. Fast forward to today,got my WR up to 59. Having said that,there is NO solution to the player base really. It cant be solved by devs. When you hear the avg wr is 48 believe it. WG actually published this fact for PC. You I,and others just have to accept that we are a small group of competitive sweats,and we do what we can. If you ever get the chance in the future,try PC ships and join a hardcore fleet,it’s way more sweaty over there. best wishes!
WR means squat! Its your Average damage and KD combined. Each tier has different average damage potential , so players that only play low tiers , will have less damage then a legendary tier player. Also each class will have different damage potential. If you basically play tier 7 , a good to average damage would be around 45-50K with KD higher then 1 . Those people that have KD over 3 who snipe, they should have average damage of over 90K , but they usually have avg damage of 30K , which is 1 ship! So you can easily tell whos good and not by using those numbers
I think there’s something to your theory, but I also think that it isn’t just better players getting fed up and leaving. I think there’s also just so many new players diluting the numbers that even the morons get lucky from the other team failing harder than they do. Last night I had a game where three benson’s were div’d together and they stuck up each others assholes the whole time they were alive. Not spotting, not capping any points, just hiding in one of their smokes together without hitting anything with torps or hardly any shells. It’s mind numbingly frustrating.
@@CalebRemastered The problem is that many are so totally clueless they don’t even know they could do better (even with their 43% WR and 600 average XP). It’s not that people don’t care, just wanna have fun or anything like that. It’s that they are to clueless about the game they are playing, to even realize there is something they *could* learn. It’s like someone trying to play chess not realizing there are certain ways the pieces can move. They just toss around the chess pieces, put them in their nose (and in other body cavities), and so on. Then, when someone says “Hey, I could teach you how to play chess!”, they get confused. They *think* they already are playing chess when tossing around the pieces randomly. So they get defensive and say they “don’t care” or are “just having fun (so f*** off)”. It’s WG’s fault for not educating the player base.
Your training videos and other CC videos are great. Same with ex-CC’s training videos too. The problem is most people on legends don’t get pointed to the videos. If WG would actually point them to the CC’s training videos then it would get better, but they don’t.
First T7 was Bismarck, played it as a 19km sniper and followed the blue trains wherever they went. I had a T5 before i knew how/what a citadel really was. Too easy to play and progress with no knowledge.
I wonder if "State of the Player Base" videos could be a quarterly or semi-annual thing? Probably short video talking about what's new and what's still wrong with the player base
This was a necessary video as today in a flank when i was playing the KGV a mogami with sonar active somehow managed to get torpedoed by a jervis and a benson thought he could gun bunboat 3 battleships 1 minute into the game
A good pattern of torps will be hard to dodge no matter how far away they are spotted. Also, many people keep their sole focus down the sights and are oblivious to anything else.
it probably doesn't help that the weekly missions have been including goals like get 25 flooding ribbons and 50 fire ribbons this might be encouraging some players to charge in suicidally to try to get torpedo hits and sticking exclusively to HE even when an opportunity to dev strike a broadside target presents itself just so they can focus on the mission completion.
So, I'd agree that there are definitely way more people playing now, and in general they seem to be new or inexperienced. But I don't think the game is worse, you, let em peek, tommyboy, have helped me go from 45% to a 55% winrate. Thank you for that. I do have a question tho, is there any way you can make an advanced tactics video, possibly a how to play in division video? There's tons of how to videos on UA-cam for new players, but I don't find a lot of advanced tactics out there. I feel like I'm there, not novice any more, but definitely now a great player. Thanks man, great videos!
I feel like power creep disincentivizes players to get better. Especially some of the stuff we've seen lately where De Provincien can hit you with HE without being spotted from firing its guns or hybrid BBs can literally spawn torps and create their own crossfires I talked to someone recently who had multiple thousands of games in Jean Bart. And they are for sure a very good player, absolutely no doubt about that, but I prefer to challenge myself and put under rated ships at the top of the leaderboard. I have Lenin but I tend to play Vanguard. I have Lushun but I tend to play Iwami (ive actually been having so much fun in Iwami all of a sudden its scary 😂). Instead of picking Mainz or Plymouth, head down to T6 and pull up Indy. Challenge yourself. Not only will you grow exponentially as a player but putting Chumphon at #1 in a game when theres Suzuyas, New Jerseys, and Yudachis in there with half or a third of your score? Now thats a feeling money cant buy 😅
Not gonna lie, I have nights where I tell myself, “time to be a potato” and then I am. Other times, I say, “lets go win” and I dominate. A 6-7 game night of me being a potato happens once a week.
Ive lost count how many times ive had to say to my team that please go to UA-cam,its full of tips and tutorials from ppl who have been playing this game for years,i myself have been playing 1,5 months,and my game has improved ALOT after i watched how to play ships in this game,when i start a new game i ALWAYS check tube for tips,i dnt get it why ppl wont do the same🤷
100% agree. Lots of the long time good players have left , greatly scaled their play time, or spend more time playing in tournaments than standard. It also seems like there aren’t very many newer players that make the jump from average to good
@@jtrankgaming9052 Half are always below average. And half are always above. That’s what average works. It’s the mean. The question is if the average (and therefore the player base as a whole) is getting worse. And hence if average is worse then it used to be. It sure feels as it is at the moment.
I think sometimes it is a bad game and more often it is a skill problem. I think its important to always keep in mind the difference. I got into a spat with Spartan cause he often, and rightfully so, complains about players on his team but sometimes he will get on someone for just getting unlucky. If you get dev struck by torps, according to him, you suck. Long and short, i think youre onto something with better players leaving, and i think some of the ones that stay, myself included are jaded. Theres no excuse for 5 people sitting behind an island and not doing anything, but the bb right next to you getting torped doesnt suck, unless youre about to say youre also out of position... Idk, there are for sure bad players, but sometimes people are unlucky and its important to know the difference
I fully agree I stopped playing in standard about a year ago as I didn't enjoy it after over 2.000 games in standard I just now play in a I it's not as satisfying but I don't get very frustrated either but thank u for ur video aron let's hope something comes of it because even starfield is feeling better ATM
The only way to really solve the player base is to add a “skill base match making”. But then that could cause even more problems, not to mention we kind of have it with ranked or brawl.
I’ve been playing almost the 5 years. I use to play a lot more than now. I could care less about brawl or ranked anymore. I seem to play now just to finish the missions. I do agree with getting better and you might notice the potatoes more but I see players way more that can’t or don’t want to even learn basics. Like why would a bb and cruiser that spawn with me a dd at A leave and sail across the planet to C. It’s amazing how fast the games are now. Or how in 3 minutes 3-4 ships sunk. 🤦🏻♂️ but it’s been happening a while now really.
Hey Aron, There are games I literally say this playerbase is horrible. However I don't think it's changed much at all. I have become a better player, and what I think is since I have become better player my expectations increase of other players too regardless of how long they have played. I think all of us need to calm down because we do not know if the player that died 3 mins into the game has only 1k games played versus us with 10k plus game experience does play a factor in anything we do in life as well as video games.
I am 50% win rate, and it stays that way for me in standard. I have seen people abandon their flanks going to the complete other side of the map, but I know I made my mistakes too and try to get better, but anything can happen, and nothing you can do about it except go down swinging or get something out of it
For sure it’s getting worse. Anyone who has joined in the last year are finally reaching tier 8 and legendary. It’s rough right now, there is a consistency for people leaving their flanks rn.
Dds not spotting, leaving your side, dying alone in 5 minutes....🤨 3 or more ships "butt sniffing behind 1 rock... the command wheel should be customized??
Before even watching the video my answer is yes. Multiple BBs hiding behind the same rock in the back of the map, DDs playing behind BBs or on the edge of the map, cruisers either running in a straight line into the cap, or "kiting" before any ships are even spotted. CVs, the bad one used to chase damage and never spot since the update they all do. Most never even drop fighters on anyone but themselves. Advice? Just realize its 1 vs 17 out there.
The solution - Make it super expensive to take your tier 6+ ships out, if you don’t get a decent game/ok ish game, and very very rewarding if your doing guud. I’m sure the potatoes will disappear from high tiers, almost. A bit like this in wot pc
I've only been playing for a little over the year and YES the player are getting worse. I had an 8 yr old kid talk to me because he had a question about a ship I was using. He said he had been playing a couple years. THAT is probably why the play is so bad.
It’s a very old idea. And it’s been proposed for years. Tutorials. I honestly don’t know why WG is so negative to the concept of actual in game tutorials. Lots of games have them, including other WG titles. (I played Blitz for a short while years ago. It had active in game tutorials, at least back then. It kind of focused on the wrong things though, how to lead and what buttons to push to move the ship. That people will learn fast by themselves.) We have training rooms. How hard can it be for programmers to use that platform and make some rather simple playable tutorials with voice and text instructions? It doesn’t have to be fancy or complicated. Simple in game tutorials of what to do in different ships and on what the game objectives are (caps, the points system, spotting mechanics and so on). Imagine a simple playable tutorial that you have to go through to unlock your first T5 ship. Illustrating spotting mechanics, pros and cons of smoke and the importance of playing the objectives. And HP as an asset that you should conserve, but also actually use to win games (don’t rush in aimlessly and die and don’t hide scared in passivity.) Forcing people, easily and fast, to learn the basics of armor angling, when to use HE or AP. What crossfires is and why active positioning and playing your flank/spawn is essential. There could be a series of tutorials that players have to complete to advance through the tiers. They could be made rather fast and with action so that even the dull crowd will enjoy them. It would revolutionize the game.
I think if wg made a more in depth tutorial teaching players how the mechanics work players like me wouldn't be as bad as they are Yes I know a lot of people don't want a super long tutorial but me personally If it helps I'll do it
When I started 5 years ago, just the amount of T4-T5 I played was huge. Now every new player is getting high tier ships with the campaigns. Why not have two prizes. Say one ship without Admirality backing, and the regular 2500. And my biggest hate with this game is the f*cking players who abandon their flank just when the match starts and staying hugging each other in one square. Thanks for lifting the problems with the game.
Y’all, for real, go crank out a couple of thousand games at tiers 3, 4, and 5, and figure some shit out. Going up in tier does NOT change any of the relationships between ship dynamics, and you NEED to learn how this game is played, and how to win.
@@sin_thelion in 11 minutes? Many games are ended by then. The problem is when 4-6 teammates are gone in 5-6 minutes. While all red ships are still afloat.
I’ve only played 6 months, but Ive even seen some terrible play at this point. Find myself getting vocal on the controller comms (not the com wheel) to let some of my team know what I think. I’ve feel I’ve come a long way from my first matches, bombarding the little towns near the caps, thinking that was the objective. 😊
As being a new player to the game with only about 1,600 battles and a 49 percent win percentage. Even with my relative newness to the game I still see what you guys are talking about. But that being said there's another part of this you need to actually understand. The video game industry is tanking. No I don't believe the industry as a whole is tanking as much as I believe there are just no good games being made. With a lack of flashy high-profile games more and more players are finding their way to w o w l. And that is not a bad thing. More players bring more money more money brings longevity to the game. The best thing streamers can do is to make more how to videos. I can tell you without any doubt that watching aiming videos improved my aiming considerably. Understanding the tactics that are expected and needed for the game by watching videos with another Plus. Can I get it I come from a lot of hardcore team based games over my 20 plus years of online gaming. I get it playing with noobs sucks. Try to have a little patience and understand that you are in the long run going to have more players better players. And complaining about those same bad players right now will discourage them and leave the stagnant player pool the way it is.
Recently it seems to be a positioning problem especially w/ bb players. I'm venturing a guess but it seems bb players do not want to engage a initial position. Rather then moving forward or to a flank until spotted and engaged, rather wants to find a back island or not even move from spawn he'll even giving initial position and insta backing. This sees them engaged from a much further back position either getting position locked from tons of aggro or even worse yet so far back and out of position to never hope of covering allies that have pushed and generally so far back that it makes dd defense a no go(not like they actually shoot lit dds in the first place but even if they wanted to they simply couldn't. Then there are veteran bb players that don't yolo but simply do push for initial position and this bb player is usually rewarded w/ a entire flanks worth of aggro as the before mentioned bb player camps spawn and doesn't seem to recognize that one bb can't eat a entire team's aggro and refuses to try to take that aggro usually withdrawing even further back after witnessing this incoming fire leaving vet trying to obtain position bb guy out to dry often losing your best bb players early, all the while it's this very potato bb camper that would be the first to call out a nice work safely behind ones super camp island and rarely throws that out on a yolo bb but rather the vet position guy. The recent cv rework has seen bbs become these guys favorite target. Pair that w/ the fact that the newest players gravitate to the capital ships and you have the current state of legends multiplayer...it's the bbs Aron they are having huge impacts on all classes performance simply because of position or lack there of..
I've been playing since day one and I study ships, watch videos and make a sincere effort and my win rate is only 53%. I know that's not terrible but I see guys in my fleet with 60% and more battles and I sincerely can't understand how they are that superior at this game.
Divisioning helps for sure, I have a 71% and I’ve seen some in the 80s but it’s all relative. Don’t worry too much about it and try to progress and become better each game
as a newer player trying to get involved in the game, allow me to contribute: I get on DD, go forward to scout at start, get nearly killed, fall back and then get toxic nightmare from my team. "Do something!" "Play the game!" "Go spot!" -- ok, 'how' would you like me to accomplish that at 8% health? Next game, i hold back a little so i don't suicide to 8% like last game, and toxic shows up. "Get in there" "I need spotting" "Do your job" -- ok, so i go forward, get 5-6 spot ribbons, get caught and run for it, once i'm clear of hostility from enemy team, toxic shows up again. "Why are you in the back?" "DD should be up front" -- i'm leaving out all the cursing, name-calling, and overall condescension / insulting / rude comments -- SO, ask yourselves, veterans of the game.. when you see this happening, do YOU do something to encourage that new player, or do you sit back and just play as you know how and hope for the best? GET INVOLVED in teaching us about the game. Maybe that'll help...
It's pretty hard to teach the game when you're in a live game unless you're divisioned up with someone. The answer to your dd scenarios is pretty straightforward. 1. Don't commit to a cap or position until you know what you'll be up against. You need an idea of how close the enemy ships are, whether there are radar cruisers in range etc. before you get stuck into a cap. 2. Angle to dictate the engagement. Sounds fancy but it really isn't. Basically when you get into a cap turn to face back to your spawn, that way if you get spotted in unfavourable circumstances you can run and live to fight another day. In about 80% of DD games I angle away for the enemy team at the start. Then when the enemy DD is spotted you can decide whether you turn to push in or run away and kite the DD. The remaining 20% I probably angle towards the enemy team as I think the odds will be in my favour so I can afford to be aggressive. Once you win your cap or side go help cap or flank. Don't sail ahead chasing kiting ships or the carrier. More generally know your detection range, develop a sense of when you need to turn away from a ship before you get too close. Feel free to ask any questions, I'll do my best to respond.
@@diskopartizan0850 Thanks a ton for this. Very helpful! I know others can't teach the game during a live match, but when I openly ask for advice in matches (at the start I often announce I'm new and welcome advice), most of the time I get 12-yr-old tantrum-speak, or elitist "i'm god at this game and the rest of you are sewer mermaids" commentary... once in awhile someone offers useful tips but usually not, lol. These tips are appreciated!
So it’s not an easy task but your #1 job in a DD is survival. After that you should try to get the capture point for your team without sacrificing too much of your HP. There’s not a sure fire answer but you have to be effective and alive for at least half of the game
@baldASLsigner most interactions I've had with players over the mic have been similar to yours. Very rarely is someone actually helpful, unfortunate but that's how it is. You're more than welcome and I hope you find it useful and enjoy the game. Despite some negatives it is a good game! Also, have a look at A A Ron's and Xarkun's destroyer guides, they're pretty good!
@baldASLsigner if you want to learn , here's some real tips since it seems like you are willing to improve. 1st look at opponent list , see who has radar and sonar. See who runs in the squad. You see that bb squad up with destroyer , then once bb is spotted , you know destroyer is close so watch for pre torps. If destroyer has sonar and smoke, don't run in fast and use an island for cover in cap. True if radar cruiser, put island or edge in cap between you and opponents. 2nd , know what dd are good and which are gunboats or torp boats. An ostergotland will outgun a kagero, so no point gunfighting. If your capping and there is no support from team , then fall back and tell teammates you need support. Use mic or command wheel. That's some tips , and if you want more indepth , let me know. I'm blunt to people who say crap but won't back it up. But I call people out , because I can back it up.
Funny how you come up with this video at the moment I exactly feel the same. The match making is terrible, maybe they should match up players who have similar winrate or playing time spent…or something like that, because this is getting unbearable / horrible and many more excperienced players will leave the game.
Once again aAron, you are correct- but it's a numbers thing, and where we are now is a result of weegees efforts of dragging every person with a console into the game. This is what you get. Remember what the player base was like 3 yrs ago? It has been getting progressively worse. And your (and others) vids are great, but I think there is a large segment that don't watch them and learn nothing other than weegee just gave them a L ship to play in the first six months of them being in game.......
I play the PC version of the game, so... My guess is that the playerbase is bifurcating at the higher tiers - not that the playerbase is getting worse. It might be getting more like WoT. Your team will be comprised of horribads and Bluenicums - with little between them. So, the Horribad Tomatoes either YOLO or never join the fight and the Bluenicums move to positions where they maximize their ship's capabilities. Those Bluenicums are extremely reluctant to risk their ships and the Tomatoes get sunk before they can position. The tweeners are not there that can provide vision (or fire support) for 2/3rds of the game before their (my) ultimate demise. The Tomato population will continue to grow at the higher tiers because they will not pay to move their Captains to a ship they are competitive in. Either that, or they are unwilling to accept they are not ready for Tier X when their WR at Tier IX is 45%. This really hasn't happened yet on the PC variant. There, it is more likely that as you/I improve we see the Potato moves and thus have to wonder how - not realizing that we made those same plays last year. Anyway, GLHF
Wargaming should not allow any"dumb and dumber" dude to be able to simply buy a legendary tier or any other tier higher than 5. I know it s a business but they have to step in... It s horrible. I play this game since it first appeared but something needs to be done. Love your dedication
That's because the system of not having a stop gap ship was there. Would've been a lot different if they implemented that in the bureau from the beginning
I have been playing for 1 and a half years and, yes i still make stupid mistakes, but i have improved so much from when I started. My problem lately is that i have be pushing my side only to find my self alone up against 4-6 enemy and the only one getting bombed by the carrier in the game. The rwst if my team is either in the back or grouped on the cap on the other side of the map where it is safe leaving me to get nuked. Happens all the time to me.
Hi I started playing last week, have a level 9 non legendary commander commanding my tier 8/legendary ship and I’m ready to sail from A to C at the start of the match 🙄
Imo the only people that are so worried about this are the CC guys that make money off of videos and the game. I think the 90% really just want to play to have fun and don’t care much lol
5:08 Befriend a business mogul, use his financial influence to buy a minority of WG, slowly integrate into their lives, learn what makes these guys tick. Manipulate or blackmail them into putting a tutorial into the game, but they won’t, because they really don’t want to, so, what do we do? That’s right, befriend a SECOND business mogul, convince HIM to buy a minority stake in WG, forming a majority by committee. Use these 2 figureheads and your insider information to begin to squeeze them, back them into a corner, a dark, dark corner. And when they finally feel hopeless, offer them back the majority ownership between your 2 business mogul acquaintances for a fraction of the cost as long as each game they make has the information necessary to play it readily available. However, they will still refuse, because making a tutorial will never get done because they can’t make money on a tutorial
Skill based matchmaking by win % could be a solution. It could be overall winrate-based, or broken down by tier or ship type. If the average winrate for the player base is 49%, WG could provide priority matchmaking to players is a winrate >50%. Its a long shot, but I think of Rocket League as an example. I played that game for 6+ years, when it used to be a paid game on xbox. The ranking system in matchmaking tries to pair you with players with a similar skill level. Could something similar work in WOWsL? Perhaps?
Can't base WR to mean good players . You need to base it on Avg damage per tier and per ship type. Tier 3avg ship damage is less then tier 7 average ship damage. Skill matchmaking for this game is very doable if using damage output to equate to players skill. BUT UA-camrs are against that because you won't get lopsided games with Krakens , as your KD should be 1 kill per game. Now would you watch UA-camrs who only get 1 kill per game? Probably not
@@JasonUA-cam But damage doesn't necessarily mean you are a good player either. I got a game in the Ohio earlier today with 85k damage and no kills, won game, but was 2nd on the leader board because of captures. The game rewards players in a multitude of ways, often if you are consistent in playing the game proper your winrate will reflect that. I could understand sample size issue, but I think it would be obvious that a 3000+, >52% winrate player isn't going to be a complete spud.
@DanielV907 Damage is an easy stat because it shows that you are doing your part. If your a dd and you cap but no damage will you win game? Probably not since the enemy ships will retake the flags. So maybe for destroyers, damage and captures are what is needed for matchmaking. But for Battleships damage output is matchmaking as their job isn't to cap. Each ship has a job and a certain ship type that they need to shoot and do. Most people don't have a clue to their job/role in this game
In my opinion, matchmaking should be based on average base xp (xp you get without considering the 1.5 xp multiplier in case of victory). I think is a very good parameter to evaluate a player's skill (so, for instance, let's divide the matchmaking in two groups of players and 1300 average base xp can be defined as threshold value). Winrate does not mean anything, just how lucky you are with teammates. Of course, you can carry games if you are skillful, but if your teammates are potatoes, you cannot do anything. Then I would not consider matchmaking based on overall damage, a DD can do a very good match (2000 base xp, so 3000 in case of victory) by playing caps, spotting enemies and without making a lot of damage
my best team mates play for less than an hour most have moved on to greener pastures. i only have a 56% win rate but its getting harder to maintain as i never feel support. If i head for cover to get back a few hit points, as many as 7 enemy ships go dark at the same time. Just reinforcing my theory that battle ships are all firing from cover and I'm the only player in game after game doing anything to win. Facing down 7 ships at the same time no matter what boat i play. As soon as i die i watch my team just melt away. Battle ships playing from 20kaway from caps carriers running out of fuel before they can drop. Destroyer parking in caps for 10minutes cruisers so close to islands the have no targets. The pkayer base is a shambles.
I was just talking about this with the wife. I wish I could go back to when I didn’t understand the game as I do now so I could just be blissfully unaware of how bad some plays are.
I have a counter theory. After 17k games it is now quite apparent that games are loaded in a way that is entirely consistent with claims of application made by WG within a certain legal document. As ongoing exclusive entitlement to the enforcement of those claims requires substantial annual fees it would be unlikely that the methods of manipulating game-play described therein are not currently being applied. Observations declared by many players are consistent with the various methods of match-making described within that document. They are also entirely consistent with my own observations and experiences. This document is entirely within the public domain and is therefore discoverable by anyone. Some have said having such a document is not proof that therein described match-making methods are actually being used. This is of course true. However, not employing those claims leaves the document thereon legally unenforceable, thereby largely valueless. My theory is that said methods, and others, are being employed. Just sayin.
AI matches aren’t even tutorial anymore. I used to get at least 5 minutes of learning a new ship with tactical and strategic play, but now everyone yolos the match and it’s over in 5 minutes. I get it that people are cranking out missions and Bureau trials, but I think some of that play is lending bad habits and lack of thought into the Standard battles. Arcade is nearly the same.
As a cruiser main (console) the player base is so sad BB's sit back and wait for Dd to cap or spot before they move Or they all Just hug an island... If not that most noobs just follow the crowd in a circle and see how it unfolds most players are to aggressive or to conservative
Thats how Battleships are supposed to play ! You aim at an area and cover the Destroyer ( Whos job is to spot and take out destroyers) and then Cruisers are supposed to take out the enemy destroyers to protect the friendly destroyer . Then friendly destroyer takes out battleships!
@@JasonUA-cam mate im well aware have a few t7 and 8 bb myself but there is a difference between waiting aimlessly and waiting strategically though.. I feel like most players dont know the difference.. And when most rounds end within 5-8 mins... And the opponents team still has 6 ships I would think its not right
@Byronthegooner the first thing is a battleship or cruiser needs to aim at one cap to protect destroyer and a good destroyer pushes in and spots up that cruiser going broadside, so battleship gets dev strike. Don't shoot at the first battleship target , wait for cruiser to get spotted IF your side spawned with a cruiser. It's the simple stuff like that , that changes the game.
See, the game is growing, more and more new players, and for some reason, qargaming has not implemented tutorials so now new players in numbers just have no idea how to play and theres lots lots of them
Funny how the games got significantly worse after the hybrid update. Wargaming only care about monetization and could give a fuck less if we enjoy playing this shit sandwich of a game. Anyone who played world of Tanks on PC knows the insane lengths WG will go to squeeze money out of their players. I'd encourage everyone to not spend any money on the game for 6 months then see what WG does.
I have been actively paying attention to the players patches that load into the game and i have noticed they are all beginners and the red team all average, i think wargaming is hurting experienced ppl to help the lower ppl
I have no information/data to support this, but I think at least part of the problem is WG constantly giving out stupid challenges that encourage people to play dumb trying to complete them. Most recently being the challenge to get "set on fire" ribbons in U.S. battleships, of all things. Sure you can do it against AI, but the number of players I've seen sailing around slinging HE out of battleships in standard games is ludicrous. Honestly, what I think WG needs to do, if they don't want to teach players themselves, is tap into the teaching potential of their content creators. Something as simple as having you guys record tutorial vids that can be accessed and played somewhere in the game would be helpful. Sure, you can't make people watch them, but at least there would be an instruction manual for people to refer to, and would be helpful to those willing to learn and improve.
I'd say the reason the playerbase is getting worse is because alot of extremely valuable information about the mechanics of the game is outright missing. Some players I've been with up at t7 have no idea how overmatch works or have no idea what improved pen angles mean.
As time elapses, there are more and more bad players at higher tiers simply because they've had enough time and games of 800 xp to grind through to the Iowa or Kagero or Amalfi.
It used to be that time x skill was the barrier to entry for higher tiers but anyone who has floated around aimlessly for long enough should have at least one tier 7. And for some reason, they just love getting wiped rather than actually learn how to improve. It's baffling to me.
"The collective brain matter on my team wouldn't be enough to make a fish swim." THAT is gold right there. 🤣🤣😭
For me it's mostly that the casuals were forced to play with act like you question their entire existence when you simply help a guy answer his problems and issues, and then its that everyone thinks that they have the best intentions so no one is willing to work as a team unless your an experienced hardcore player. Its just sad really because I completely agree that it's honestly basic game fundamentals with just a little logical thinking as you stated....
I hate when u are a battleship in a game where there are 5 destroyer X team, and 3 of them are ALWAYS AFK💀
Hell I always end up in back row bb player games🤣🤣, or 5 battleships and Im the only cruiser🤣
Or worse, theyre all playing. Which means as the bb player, you cannot.
You gotta spend ur time anticipating and assuming
Nah you are wrong. Don't forget the red team. There will be 6 dd's afk in total....at least
I'd rather my destroyers be AFK at least they can still spot while AFK it's when they Rush in and die in the first 2 minutes that's the most useless destroyer player
I've been playing for a year and a half now, I think the Christmas 2023 campaign and Jager campaign brought in a massive wave of newer players. By now those players have ground up to t8 TTs and are getting thier first couple L tier ships. Since Brisbane campaign I've noticed a severe uptick in AFK players, abandoned flanks, all blue BBs in the same square, DDs doing nothing, and throwing away HP. Ive also noticed since maybe the Johan campaign that base XP totals are just down across the board. Teams are folding so fast that either you win, but red dies in 5 minutes giving you maybe 1800-2k XP because there just wasn't enough time to do much of anything, or you lose and get like 1300-1500 because your team folded in fourinutes and now you're being focused by 6 enemy ships. After they added hybrids I quit playing. Playing standard feels more like a chore nowadays than anything.
I'm a mobile player, I left World of warships Blitz because the 7 vs 7 matches were full of bots even in the high tiers, my Winrate was 65%, I came to Legends because of the graphics and because of the games always complete with Players and without bots. My first contact with Legends was through UA-cam, channels like ARON and PgRapidz were what gave me a basis on how to play Legends, Today I have 1 year of Legends, 6k battles and a Winrate of 62.30%. For a mobile player we were limited, without legendary skill in commanders, without permanent camouflages, without CVs and No cannon turret camera angle, I consider myself a great gamer thanks to players like you.
You are right, of course. “If you don’t recognize potato play, then you are the potato…” should probably be one of the tips on the loading screen.
Yes, it is, especially the higher tiers, _particularly_ Legendary Tier.
Was going to type out this same thing, but found your comment. Legendary Tier seems to have the most egregious examples of poor gameplay.
@@DanielV907 Seeing people throwing in matches at this tier is like seeing people throwing away their braincells. Most of them are so brainless.
They really are the most competent players in the game aren't they? Cuz it's the highest tier, so of course these people are very highly skilled, right? No.
Very solid as always my guy. I'll always support the game and content creators no matter what because I think the hardcore player base deserved better imo. Personally I've stepped away from Legends again recently because I wanna play new up to date games that reward me for being a try hard so to speak, and yes mostly player base has caused me to take breaks and leave.
I think one thing that plays a huge factor is game momentum. There's always new players cycling in and out, and if you grind a particular line, it doesn't take much to get up to the higher tiers. BUT... all things being equal, if you have one side of the map that crumbles because of a mistake, bad position, unlucky random/zoning torpedo(s) that eliminate a key class on a particular side. For example, you lose your spotting destroyer, you're a cruiser and the enemy has 2 battleships etc... It takes a great player to overcome that situation, so what is likely going to happen is all 3 friendly ships on that flank die, while no one on the enemy team dies... Then you have this disastrous momentum that ensures where you're team is forever outnumbered (getting worse with each death) until you lose... not to mention they probably now have great cross fire positions... So basically it really can take that first key death early on to determine the course of the match.
Today I had a Iowa shooting a fail div queen Elisabeth with he from 12km . I just tell him after he died. “Hey man, you should probably shoot AP next time. Gg” he then tells me that AP won’t do anything at that range.
Your points are spot on. I am one who has learned from your videos. When i was new i was that noob who put my bb in reverse. Fast forward to today,got my WR up to 59.
Having said that,there is NO solution to the player base really. It cant be solved by devs. When you hear the avg wr is 48 believe it. WG actually published this fact for PC.
You I,and others just have to accept that we are a small group of competitive sweats,and we do what we can.
If you ever get the chance in the future,try PC ships and join a hardcore fleet,it’s way more sweaty over there.
best wishes!
WR means squat! Its your Average damage and KD combined. Each tier has different average damage potential , so players that only play low tiers , will have less damage then a legendary tier player. Also each class will have different damage potential. If you basically play tier 7 , a good to average damage would be around 45-50K with KD higher then 1 . Those people that have KD over 3 who snipe, they should have average damage of over 90K , but they usually have avg damage of 30K , which is 1 ship! So you can easily tell whos good and not by using those numbers
@@JasonUA-cam WR does mean something,but is not the only metric. It is a part of the story about players. my KD is 2.63
I think there’s something to your theory, but I also think that it isn’t just better players getting fed up and leaving. I think there’s also just so many new players diluting the numbers that even the morons get lucky from the other team failing harder than they do. Last night I had a game where three benson’s were div’d together and they stuck up each others assholes the whole time they were alive. Not spotting, not capping any points, just hiding in one of their smokes together without hitting anything with torps or hardly any shells. It’s mind numbingly frustrating.
Also, ur training vids on dds have helped me to become atleast double what i was, thank u!
Dude the PROBLEM IS that people want to do what they wanna do without listening to anyone Demands
You’re right brother. Unfortunate but it’s the truth
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The problem is that many are so totally clueless they don’t even know they could do better (even with their 43% WR and 600 average XP).
It’s not that people don’t care, just wanna have fun or anything like that. It’s that they are to clueless about the game they are playing, to even realize there is something they *could* learn.
It’s like someone trying to play chess not realizing there are certain ways the pieces can move. They just toss around the chess pieces, put them in their nose (and in other body cavities), and so on.
Then, when someone says “Hey, I could teach you how to play chess!”, they get confused. They *think* they already are playing chess when tossing around the pieces randomly. So they get defensive and say they “don’t care” or are “just having fun (so f*** off)”.
It’s WG’s fault for not educating the player base.
Your training videos and other CC videos are great. Same with ex-CC’s training videos too. The problem is most people on legends don’t get pointed to the videos. If WG would actually point them to the CC’s training videos then it would get better, but they don’t.
Quite accurate.
Short answer is yes, long answer is yes.
in every game i played, the player base is getting worse as im getting better. so everything is on our minds, but in legends its just reality
First T7 was Bismarck, played it as a 19km sniper and followed the blue trains wherever they went. I had a T5 before i knew how/what a citadel really was. Too easy to play and progress with no knowledge.
I wonder if "State of the Player Base" videos could be a quarterly or semi-annual thing? Probably short video talking about what's new and what's still wrong with the player base
Like I said in the video lol, a quarterly or bi annually video
This was a necessary video as today in a flank when i was playing the KGV a mogami with sonar active somehow managed to get torpedoed by a jervis and a benson thought he could gun bunboat 3 battleships 1 minute into the game
A good pattern of torps will be hard to dodge no matter how far away they are spotted. Also, many people keep their sole focus down the sights and are oblivious to anything else.
Speaking from yesterday’s video, yes… yes the player base is definitely getting worse. Lmao
WG might as well change the background music during battles to "He- Man's; What's going on?!" song.
it probably doesn't help that the weekly missions have been including goals like get 25 flooding ribbons and 50 fire ribbons this might be encouraging some players to charge in suicidally to try to get torpedo hits and sticking exclusively to HE even when an opportunity to dev strike a broadside target presents itself just so they can focus on the mission completion.
i feel your pain Aaron, some of these matches are over in just the first 5 minutes.
So, I'd agree that there are definitely way more people playing now, and in general they seem to be new or inexperienced. But I don't think the game is worse, you, let em peek, tommyboy, have helped me go from 45% to a 55% winrate. Thank you for that. I do have a question tho, is there any way you can make an advanced tactics video, possibly a how to play in division video? There's tons of how to videos on UA-cam for new players, but I don't find a lot of advanced tactics out there. I feel like I'm there, not novice any more, but definitely now a great player. Thanks man, great videos!
The devs need to either make training videos or a tutorial or they need to direct the audience to your videos on the front page or something.
close loses are great I get great lessons from them and have helped me clutch many games
They sure ain't getting better 😂
Lol
I feel like power creep disincentivizes players to get better. Especially some of the stuff we've seen lately where De Provincien can hit you with HE without being spotted from firing its guns or hybrid BBs can literally spawn torps and create their own crossfires
I talked to someone recently who had multiple thousands of games in Jean Bart. And they are for sure a very good player, absolutely no doubt about that, but I prefer to challenge myself and put under rated ships at the top of the leaderboard. I have Lenin but I tend to play Vanguard. I have Lushun but I tend to play Iwami (ive actually been having so much fun in Iwami all of a sudden its scary 😂). Instead of picking Mainz or Plymouth, head down to T6 and pull up Indy. Challenge yourself. Not only will you grow exponentially as a player but putting Chumphon at #1 in a game when theres Suzuyas, New Jerseys, and Yudachis in there with half or a third of your score? Now thats a feeling money cant buy 😅
Not gonna lie, I have nights where I tell myself, “time to be a potato” and then I am. Other times, I say, “lets go win” and I dominate. A 6-7 game night of me being a potato happens once a week.
It's always the worst when low tier players are getting crates that give them high tier ships which clearly they are not ready for
This. I feel like they should be locked out if you don’t have enough games or something like that.
Ive lost count how many times ive had to say to my team that please go to UA-cam,its full of tips and tutorials from ppl who have been playing this game for years,i myself have been playing 1,5 months,and my game has improved ALOT after i watched how to play ships in this game,when i start a new game i ALWAYS check tube for tips,i dnt get it why ppl wont do the same🤷
I feel like that's the normal thing to do right? Check for ways to improve...good on you mate
This is the participation medal era
100% agree. Lots of the long time good players have left , greatly scaled their play time, or spend more time playing in tournaments than standard. It also seems like there aren’t very many newer players that make the jump from average to good
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Half are always below average. And half are always above. That’s what average works. It’s the mean.
The question is if the average (and therefore the player base as a whole) is getting worse. And hence if average is worse then it used to be.
It sure feels as it is at the moment.
I've had that exact same thought for a while so 100% in agreement
I think sometimes it is a bad game and more often it is a skill problem.
I think its important to always keep in mind the difference.
I got into a spat with Spartan cause he often, and rightfully so, complains about players on his team but sometimes he will get on someone for just getting unlucky.
If you get dev struck by torps, according to him, you suck.
Long and short, i think youre onto something with better players leaving, and i think some of the ones that stay, myself included are jaded.
Theres no excuse for 5 people sitting behind an island and not doing anything, but the bb right next to you getting torped doesnt suck, unless youre about to say youre also out of position...
Idk, there are for sure bad players, but sometimes people are unlucky and its important to know the difference
How does one sign up for the ocean cup? I might have some friends that I can ask to join me next time around.
I fully agree I stopped playing in standard about a year ago as I didn't enjoy it after over 2.000 games in standard I just now play in a I it's not as satisfying but I don't get very frustrated either but thank u for ur video aron let's hope something comes of it because even starfield is feeling better ATM
The only way to really solve the player base is to add a “skill base match making”. But then that could cause even more problems, not to mention we kind of have it with ranked or brawl.
That has gone terrible in games such as Halo & Cod before, that is definitely not a fix
I do agree my latest games are just awful after 5000p/h it seems that I don’t know t play and win or we win like crazy
I’ve been playing almost the 5 years. I use to play a lot more than now. I could care less about brawl or ranked anymore. I seem to play now just to finish the missions. I do agree with getting better and you might notice the potatoes more but I see players way more that can’t or don’t want to even learn basics. Like why would a bb and cruiser that spawn with me a dd at A leave and sail across the planet to C. It’s amazing how fast the games are now. Or how in 3 minutes 3-4 ships sunk. 🤦🏻♂️ but it’s been happening a while now really.
Makes me wanna continue my 3 month break from legends
Hey Aron, There are games I literally say this playerbase is horrible. However I don't think it's changed much at all. I have become a better player, and what I think is since I have become better player my expectations increase of other players too regardless of how long they have played. I think all of us need to calm down because we do not know if the player that died 3 mins into the game has only 1k games played versus us with 10k plus game experience does play a factor in anything we do in life as well as video games.
I am 50% win rate, and it stays that way for me in standard. I have seen people abandon their flanks going to the complete other side of the map, but I know I made my mistakes too and try to get better, but anything can happen, and nothing you can do about it except go down swinging or get something out of it
Ugh that was rough...know how ya feel man.
For sure it’s getting worse. Anyone who has joined in the last year are finally reaching tier 8 and legendary. It’s rough right now, there is a consistency for people leaving their flanks rn.
Dds not spotting, leaving your side, dying alone in 5 minutes....🤨 3 or more ships "butt sniffing behind 1 rock... the command wheel should be customized??
Before even watching the video my answer is yes. Multiple BBs hiding behind the same rock in the back of the map, DDs playing behind BBs or on the edge of the map, cruisers either running in a straight line into the cap, or "kiting" before any ships are even spotted. CVs, the bad one used to chase damage and never spot since the update they all do. Most never even drop fighters on anyone but themselves. Advice? Just realize its 1 vs 17 out there.
The solution -
Make it super expensive to take your tier 6+ ships out, if you don’t get a decent game/ok ish game, and very very rewarding if your doing guud.
I’m sure the potatoes will disappear from high tiers, almost. A bit like this in wot pc
I've only been playing for a little over the year and YES the player are getting worse. I had an 8 yr old kid talk to me because he had a question about a ship I was using. He said he had been playing a couple years. THAT is probably why the play is so bad.
It’s a very old idea. And it’s been proposed for years.
Tutorials.
I honestly don’t know why WG is so negative to the concept of actual in game tutorials. Lots of games have them, including other WG titles.
(I played Blitz for a short while years ago. It had active in game tutorials, at least back then. It kind of focused on the wrong things though, how to lead and what buttons to push to move the ship. That people will learn fast by themselves.)
We have training rooms. How hard can it be for programmers to use that platform and make some rather simple playable tutorials with voice and text instructions?
It doesn’t have to be fancy or complicated. Simple in game tutorials of what to do in different ships and on what the game objectives are (caps, the points system, spotting mechanics and so on).
Imagine a simple playable tutorial that you have to go through to unlock your first T5 ship. Illustrating spotting mechanics, pros and cons of smoke and the importance of playing the objectives. And HP as an asset that you should conserve, but also actually use to win games (don’t rush in aimlessly and die and don’t hide scared in passivity.)
Forcing people, easily and fast, to learn the basics of armor angling, when to use HE or AP. What crossfires is and why active positioning and playing your flank/spawn is essential.
There could be a series of tutorials that players have to complete to advance through the tiers. They could be made rather fast and with action so that even the dull crowd will enjoy them.
It would revolutionize the game.
I think their hesitation is it would limit or gate some players and they of course they can. You’re very right but oh well
They also need to do something about afk like suspensions if you don’t participate
Glad I switched to pc, I'm finding matches are a lot better/competitive, plus it looks better. I'm sure some will disagree though.
I think if wg made a more in depth tutorial teaching players how the mechanics work players like me wouldn't be as bad as they are
Yes I know a lot of people don't want a super long tutorial but me personally
If it helps I'll do it
When I started 5 years ago, just the amount of T4-T5 I played was huge. Now every new player is getting high tier ships with the campaigns. Why not have two prizes. Say one ship without Admirality backing, and the regular 2500.
And my biggest hate with this game is the f*cking players who abandon their flank just when the match starts and staying hugging each other in one square.
Thanks for lifting the problems with the game.
Y’all, for real, go crank out a couple of thousand games at tiers 3, 4, and 5, and figure some shit out. Going up in tier does NOT change any of the relationships between ship dynamics, and you NEED to learn how this game is played, and how to win.
Yeah, it is happening to me as well, 3-4 teammates are out in 11 minutes or vise versa, and the game ends really quick.
Look at 10y old wot pc games are like 5 minutes and there is op premium spam thats were we headed
@@sin_thelion in 11 minutes? Many games are ended by then. The problem is when 4-6 teammates are gone in 5-6 minutes. While all red ships are still afloat.
I’ve only played 6 months, but Ive even seen some terrible play at this point. Find myself getting vocal on the controller comms (not the com wheel) to let some of my team know what I think.
I’ve feel I’ve come a long way from my first matches, bombarding the little towns near the caps, thinking that was the objective. 😊
As being a new player to the game with only about 1,600 battles and a 49 percent win percentage. Even with my relative newness to the game I still see what you guys are talking about. But that being said there's another part of this you need to actually understand. The video game industry is tanking. No I don't believe the industry as a whole is tanking as much as I believe there are just no good games being made. With a lack of flashy high-profile games more and more players are finding their way to w o w l. And that is not a bad thing. More players bring more money more money brings longevity to the game. The best thing streamers can do is to make more how to videos. I can tell you without any doubt that watching aiming videos improved my aiming considerably. Understanding the tactics that are expected and needed for the game by watching videos with another Plus. Can I get it I come from a lot of hardcore team based games over my 20 plus years of online gaming. I get it playing with noobs sucks. Try to have a little patience and understand that you are in the long run going to have more players better players. And complaining about those same bad players right now will discourage them and leave the stagnant player pool the way it is.
Recently it seems to be a positioning problem especially w/ bb players. I'm venturing a guess but it seems bb players do not want to engage a initial position. Rather then moving forward or to a flank until spotted and engaged, rather wants to find a back island or not even move from spawn he'll even giving initial position and insta backing. This sees them engaged from a much further back position either getting position locked from tons of aggro or even worse yet so far back and out of position to never hope of covering allies that have pushed and generally so far back that it makes dd defense a no go(not like they actually shoot lit dds in the first place but even if they wanted to they simply couldn't. Then there are veteran bb players that don't yolo but simply do push for initial position and this bb player is usually rewarded w/ a entire flanks worth of aggro as the before mentioned bb player camps spawn and doesn't seem to recognize that one bb can't eat a entire team's aggro and refuses to try to take that aggro usually withdrawing even further back after witnessing this incoming fire leaving vet trying to obtain position bb guy out to dry often losing your best bb players early, all the while it's this very potato bb camper that would be the first to call out a nice work safely behind ones super camp island and rarely throws that out on a yolo bb but rather the vet position guy. The recent cv rework has seen bbs become these guys favorite target. Pair that w/ the fact that the newest players gravitate to the capital ships and you have the current state of legends multiplayer...it's the bbs Aron they are having huge impacts on all classes performance simply because of position or lack there of..
We’ll put
I've been playing since day one and I study ships, watch videos and make a sincere effort and my win rate is only 53%. I know that's not terrible but I see guys in my fleet with 60% and more battles and I sincerely can't understand how they are that superior at this game.
Divisioning helps for sure, I have a 71% and I’ve seen some in the 80s but it’s all relative. Don’t worry too much about it and try to progress and become better each game
Had a game just last night one Destroyer per team, our Destroyer went hunting damage, what do you think the outcome of the game was.
Spartan Helped me get better by watching him
as a newer player trying to get involved in the game, allow me to contribute: I get on DD, go forward to scout at start, get nearly killed, fall back and then get toxic nightmare from my team. "Do something!" "Play the game!" "Go spot!" -- ok, 'how' would you like me to accomplish that at 8% health? Next game, i hold back a little so i don't suicide to 8% like last game, and toxic shows up. "Get in there" "I need spotting" "Do your job" -- ok, so i go forward, get 5-6 spot ribbons, get caught and run for it, once i'm clear of hostility from enemy team, toxic shows up again. "Why are you in the back?" "DD should be up front" -- i'm leaving out all the cursing, name-calling, and overall condescension / insulting / rude comments -- SO, ask yourselves, veterans of the game.. when you see this happening, do YOU do something to encourage that new player, or do you sit back and just play as you know how and hope for the best? GET INVOLVED in teaching us about the game. Maybe that'll help...
It's pretty hard to teach the game when you're in a live game unless you're divisioned up with someone.
The answer to your dd scenarios is pretty straightforward.
1. Don't commit to a cap or position until you know what you'll be up against. You need an idea of how close the enemy ships are, whether there are radar cruisers in range etc. before you get stuck into a cap.
2. Angle to dictate the engagement. Sounds fancy but it really isn't. Basically when you get into a cap turn to face back to your spawn, that way if you get spotted in unfavourable circumstances you can run and live to fight another day.
In about 80% of DD games I angle away for the enemy team at the start. Then when the enemy DD is spotted you can decide whether you turn to push in or run away and kite the DD. The remaining 20% I probably angle towards the enemy team as I think the odds will be in my favour so I can afford to be aggressive.
Once you win your cap or side go help cap or flank. Don't sail ahead chasing kiting ships or the carrier.
More generally know your detection range, develop a sense of when you need to turn away from a ship before you get too close.
Feel free to ask any questions, I'll do my best to respond.
@@diskopartizan0850 Thanks a ton for this. Very helpful! I know others can't teach the game during a live match, but when I openly ask for advice in matches (at the start I often announce I'm new and welcome advice), most of the time I get 12-yr-old tantrum-speak, or elitist "i'm god at this game and the rest of you are sewer mermaids" commentary... once in awhile someone offers useful tips but usually not, lol. These tips are appreciated!
So it’s not an easy task but your #1 job in a DD is survival. After that you should try to get the capture point for your team without sacrificing too much of your HP. There’s not a sure fire answer but you have to be effective and alive for at least half of the game
@baldASLsigner most interactions I've had with players over the mic have been similar to yours. Very rarely is someone actually helpful, unfortunate but that's how it is.
You're more than welcome and I hope you find it useful and enjoy the game. Despite some negatives it is a good game!
Also, have a look at A A Ron's and Xarkun's destroyer guides, they're pretty good!
@baldASLsigner if you want to learn , here's some real tips since it seems like you are willing to improve. 1st look at opponent list , see who has radar and sonar. See who runs in the squad. You see that bb squad up with destroyer , then once bb is spotted , you know destroyer is close so watch for pre torps. If destroyer has sonar and smoke, don't run in fast and use an island for cover in cap. True if radar cruiser, put island or edge in cap between you and opponents. 2nd , know what dd are good and which are gunboats or torp boats. An ostergotland will outgun a kagero, so no point gunfighting. If your capping and there is no support from team , then fall back and tell teammates you need support. Use mic or command wheel. That's some tips , and if you want more indepth , let me know. I'm blunt to people who say crap but won't back it up. But I call people out , because I can back it up.
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AMEN
I’m gonna whoop you boi
Funny how you come up with this video at the moment I exactly feel the same. The match making is terrible, maybe they should match up players who have similar winrate or playing time spent…or something like that, because this is getting unbearable / horrible and many more excperienced players will leave the game.
Once again aAron, you are correct- but it's a numbers thing, and where we are now is a result of weegees efforts of dragging every person with a console into the game. This is what you get. Remember what the player base was like 3 yrs ago? It has been getting progressively worse. And your (and others) vids are great, but I think there is a large segment that don't watch them and learn nothing other than weegee just gave them a L ship to play in the first six months of them being in game.......
I play the PC version of the game, so...
My guess is that the playerbase is bifurcating at the higher tiers - not that the playerbase is getting worse. It might be getting more like WoT. Your team will be comprised of horribads and Bluenicums - with little between them. So, the Horribad Tomatoes either YOLO or never join the fight and the Bluenicums move to positions where they maximize their ship's capabilities. Those Bluenicums are extremely reluctant to risk their ships and the Tomatoes get sunk before they can position. The tweeners are not there that can provide vision (or fire support) for 2/3rds of the game before their (my) ultimate demise.
The Tomato population will continue to grow at the higher tiers because they will not pay to move their Captains to a ship they are competitive in. Either that, or they are unwilling to accept they are not ready for Tier X when their WR at Tier IX is 45%.
This really hasn't happened yet on the PC variant. There, it is more likely that as you/I improve we see the Potato moves and thus have to wonder how - not realizing that we made those same plays last year.
Anyway, GLHF
"yes.. yes it is"
Wargaming should not allow any"dumb and dumber" dude to be able to simply buy a legendary tier or any other tier higher than 5. I know it s a business but they have to step in... It s horrible. I play this game since it first appeared but something needs to be done. Love your dedication
That's because the system of not having a stop gap ship was there. Would've been a lot different if they implemented that in the bureau from the beginning
I've kind of just been playing the minimum to get the missions complete
I have been playing for 1 and a half years and, yes i still make stupid mistakes, but i have improved so much from when I started. My problem lately is that i have be pushing my side only to find my self alone up against 4-6 enemy and the only one getting bombed by the carrier in the game. The rwst if my team is either in the back or grouped on the cap on the other side of the map where it is safe leaving me to get nuked. Happens all the time to me.
Could be Star Trek bringing low performers ? I feel like steam rolls are more often since then.
WoWL doesn’t punish bad player behaviour, that is the problem. AFK, trolling on purpose gets zero punishment.
I have been playing this game since it fully came out in 2019 and have spent way too much money but I definitely think it’s only worst then before
Hi I started playing last week, have a level 9 non legendary commander commanding my tier 8/legendary ship and I’m ready to sail from A to C at the start of the match 🙄
Lmao
Yesterday my first game had me with an afk musashi paired with a flank abandoning bismark. We lost. So...maybe?
Imo the only people that are so worried about this are the CC guys that make money off of videos and the game. I think the 90% really just want to play to have fun and don’t care much lol
I mean simply looking at the comments would not support this argument but as I mentioned in the video I know that is not everyone’s opinion
This update the player base has been the worst , it is so bad I deleted the game the second day of the update
This game is basically DD management both on your team and the reds. Manage them poorly and u lose.
5:08 Befriend a business mogul, use his financial influence to buy a minority of WG, slowly integrate into their lives, learn what makes these guys tick. Manipulate or blackmail them into putting a tutorial into the game, but they won’t, because they really don’t want to, so, what do we do? That’s right, befriend a SECOND business mogul, convince HIM to buy a minority stake in WG, forming a majority by committee. Use these 2 figureheads and your insider information to begin to squeeze them, back them into a corner, a dark, dark corner. And when they finally feel hopeless, offer them back the majority ownership between your 2 business mogul acquaintances for a fraction of the cost as long as each game they make has the information necessary to play it readily available. However, they will still refuse, because making a tutorial will never get done because they can’t make money on a tutorial
I could be Quintin Tarantino minus the foot fetish
Lol
When you get better you assume the rest of the playerbase would also. But that does not seem to be the case
They got some server issues outside usa. Especially psn
Been doing some First Descendent to break from the game a bit and it has been good so far.
Skill based matchmaking by win % could be a solution. It could be overall winrate-based, or broken down by tier or ship type. If the average winrate for the player base is 49%, WG could provide priority matchmaking to players is a winrate >50%.
Its a long shot, but I think of Rocket League as an example. I played that game for 6+ years, when it used to be a paid game on xbox. The ranking system in matchmaking tries to pair you with players with a similar skill level. Could something similar work in WOWsL? Perhaps?
Can't base WR to mean good players . You need to base it on Avg damage per tier and per ship type. Tier 3avg ship damage is less then tier 7 average ship damage. Skill matchmaking for this game is very doable if using damage output to equate to players skill. BUT UA-camrs are against that because you won't get lopsided games with Krakens , as your KD should be 1 kill per game. Now would you watch UA-camrs who only get 1 kill per game? Probably not
@@JasonUA-cam But damage doesn't necessarily mean you are a good player either. I got a game in the Ohio earlier today with 85k damage and no kills, won game, but was 2nd on the leader board because of captures. The game rewards players in a multitude of ways, often if you are consistent in playing the game proper your winrate will reflect that.
I could understand sample size issue, but I think it would be obvious that a 3000+, >52% winrate player isn't going to be a complete spud.
@DanielV907 Damage is an easy stat because it shows that you are doing your part. If your a dd and you cap but no damage will you win game? Probably not since the enemy ships will retake the flags. So maybe for destroyers, damage and captures are what is needed for matchmaking. But for Battleships damage output is matchmaking as their job isn't to cap. Each ship has a job and a certain ship type that they need to shoot and do. Most people don't have a clue to their job/role in this game
@@DanielV907 WR doesn't matter because I'm sure you have carried horrible teammates to victory and probably fleet members!
In my opinion, matchmaking should be based on average base xp (xp you get without considering the 1.5 xp multiplier in case of victory). I think is a very good parameter to evaluate a player's skill (so, for instance, let's divide the matchmaking in two groups of players and 1300 average base xp can be defined as threshold value). Winrate does not mean anything, just how lucky you are with teammates. Of course, you can carry games if you are skillful, but if your teammates are potatoes, you cannot do anything.
Then I would not consider matchmaking based on overall damage, a DD can do a very good match (2000 base xp, so 3000 in case of victory) by playing caps, spotting enemies and without making a lot of damage
my best team mates play for less than an hour most have moved on to greener pastures. i only have a 56% win rate but its getting harder to maintain as i never feel support. If i head for cover to get back a few hit points, as many as 7 enemy ships go dark at the same time. Just reinforcing my theory that battle ships are all firing from cover and I'm the only player in game after game doing anything to win. Facing down 7 ships at the same time no matter what boat i play. As soon as i die i watch my team just melt away. Battle ships playing from 20kaway from caps carriers running out of fuel before they can drop. Destroyer parking in caps for 10minutes cruisers so close to islands the have no targets. The pkayer base is a shambles.
Ps ive spent the last 3 days getting between 1500 and 2000 base xp in 8 losses in a row. How is that possible, I'm just 1 player.??
yes, the playerbase is def getting worse lol
Tier 7 , 8 and legendary should be only for players with more then 3000 or 5000 games played.... Not for rookies
I was just talking about this with the wife. I wish I could go back to when I didn’t understand the game as I do now so I could just be blissfully unaware of how bad some plays are.
You've probably got it right on the head buddy, just having fun not realizing how bad it is
I have a counter theory. After 17k games it is now quite apparent that games are loaded in a way that is entirely consistent with claims of application made by WG within a certain legal document. As ongoing exclusive entitlement to the enforcement of those claims requires substantial annual fees it would be unlikely that the methods of manipulating game-play described therein are not currently being applied. Observations declared by many players are consistent with the various methods of match-making described within that document. They are also entirely consistent with my own observations and experiences. This document is entirely within the public domain and is therefore discoverable by anyone. Some have said having such a document is not proof that therein described match-making methods are actually being used. This is of course true. However, not employing those claims leaves the document thereon legally unenforceable, thereby largely valueless.
My theory is that said methods, and others, are being employed.
Just sayin.
AI matches aren’t even tutorial anymore. I used to get at least 5 minutes of learning a new ship with tactical and strategic play, but now everyone yolos the match and it’s over in 5 minutes. I get it that people are cranking out missions and Bureau trials, but I think some of that play is lending bad habits and lack of thought into the Standard battles. Arcade is nearly the same.
I have more faith in people who throw their poop at a wall.
Lmao
As a cruiser main (console) the player base is so sad BB's sit back and wait for Dd to cap or spot before they move
Or they all Just hug an island...
If not that most noobs just follow the crowd in a circle and see how it unfolds most players are to aggressive or to conservative
Thats how Battleships are supposed to play ! You aim at an area and cover the Destroyer ( Whos job is to spot and take out destroyers) and then Cruisers are supposed to take out the enemy destroyers to protect the friendly destroyer . Then friendly destroyer takes out battleships!
@@JasonUA-cam mate im well aware have a few t7 and 8 bb myself but there is a difference between waiting aimlessly and waiting strategically though.. I feel like most players dont know the difference.. And when most rounds end within 5-8 mins... And the opponents team still has 6 ships I would think its not right
@Byronthegooner the first thing is a battleship or cruiser needs to aim at one cap to protect destroyer and a good destroyer pushes in and spots up that cruiser going broadside, so battleship gets dev strike. Don't shoot at the first battleship target , wait for cruiser to get spotted IF your side spawned with a cruiser. It's the simple stuff like that , that changes the game.
See, the game is growing, more and more new players, and for some reason, qargaming has not implemented tutorials so now new players in numbers just have no idea how to play and theres lots lots of them
Agreed, maybe a better way to get them tutorials
I got a kraken in tier 6 arcade...
Nuff said.
Start requiring coms on for standard games and bands fo people who go AFK more than twice in a 24-hour period.
Funny how the games got significantly worse after the hybrid update. Wargaming only care about monetization and could give a fuck less if we enjoy playing this shit sandwich of a game.
Anyone who played world of Tanks on PC knows the insane lengths WG will go to squeeze money out of their players.
I'd encourage everyone to not spend any money on the game for 6 months then see what WG does.
I have been actively paying attention to the players patches that load into the game and i have noticed they are all beginners and the red team all average, i think wargaming is hurting experienced ppl to help the lower ppl
I have no information/data to support this, but I think at least part of the problem is WG constantly giving out stupid challenges that encourage people to play dumb trying to complete them. Most recently being the challenge to get "set on fire" ribbons in U.S. battleships, of all things. Sure you can do it against AI, but the number of players I've seen sailing around slinging HE out of battleships in standard games is ludicrous.
Honestly, what I think WG needs to do, if they don't want to teach players themselves, is tap into the teaching potential of their content creators. Something as simple as having you guys record tutorial vids that can be accessed and played somewhere in the game would be helpful. Sure, you can't make people watch them, but at least there would be an instruction manual for people to refer to, and would be helpful to those willing to learn and improve.
Not a bad theory...those missions certainly hurt gameplay