Björk on postmodernism
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2017
- EDIT: A lot of commenters have displayed an issue with my title. If you have a better idea for a title, feel free to say so in the comments, I'll genuinely consider changing it.
- Фільми й анімація
From a recent interview:
"I like to have very Icelandic things, and be very, very Icelandic and feel this kind of authenticity of Iceland run through me or hopefully through my work.
At the same time, I want to be part of the conversation that’s happening in 2022. And to be a global musician.
I think it’s dangerous when people are making music or culture that’s about roots. It isolates [the music] into some sort of a museum idea, where it just becomes a monument of something that passed a long time ago.
I do try to be vibrant and try to be part of the current conversation. Because I feel you can have one foot in the roots and connected to your roots and the other foot in whatever year that is going on at the moment."
yeah, and Lars Fon Hitler is another Weinstein
Like sami blood
@@1yagr8 What xD Von Trier another Weinstein?
So both things can't connect is what she's saying, weird contradiction
@@Porque1000 he sexually harassed björk on the set of 'dancer in the dark' and loves to torment his female actors. he's a sadistic misogynist.
Huge Bjork fan and I have never seen this before - thank you for uploading this clip, Sasa!
Based Pavement fan.
This makes total sense with her new album Fossora.
“All the modern things have always existed”
smoothbrain take
@@LanaaAmor wtf do they mean?
@@LanaaAmor its not a "take" its an artistic statement made by Bjork on the post album.
@@5ynthet1c its a lyric from Bjorks song Modern Things, where in she says all modern things like cars and phones have always existed, since they are made from earth metals "waiting in a mountain" it just took humans to take them and reform them into the technology we have today.
@@gothgrrl8711 Oh, thanks for the explanation
Bjork is one of the coolest people alive.
She's the real 'Fifth Element'
Except for that one time she mauled a Thai reporter who was just welcoming her😏
@@mr.voidout4739 Yes indeed...but not a life-defining incident.
@@philproffitt8363 Well, whether or not the incident is life defining probably has an extremely large amount to do with your opinion of the person, who had that incident, in general; that is, if you really like the person, it isn't life defining to you, and if you really don't like the person, then it is life defining to you. In the former case, your opinion is prior to and independent of the incident; in the latter case, your opinion is still prior to the incident, but once it allows the incident to be life defining, the incident itself becomes an (additional) reason to have that opinion, and it justifies it and thus reinforces it. In this way, it can be easy, from afar, to mistake the causal relationship as the incident causing the opinion, when really, the incident was allowed to matter _by_ the opinion, but it then became a vehicle for reinforcement and became intertwined with the opinion, without ever being a true rudiment of it, despite how, as said, it can appear that way from afar.
@@derekg5563 There's a skill to making a point without being condescending. Something you should work on...because you've exhausted my interest and I won't bother reading any more of your comments. Perhaps you don't intend to be a prick, but I think being more succinct is good advice...but only if two-way conversations take your interest.
All the best artists have a deep appreciation of humanity's past, and the worst ones just want to replace it.
Pink floyd
@@ISimulacraaathe worst ones. Did you even read the comment?
@@closcer3950 They're asking which ones in particular
humanity's past =/= tradition in the conservative sense
@Tony what? a lot of math, chemistry and other sciences comes from islamic cultures
but that doesn't even matter, what i said is just that humanity's past is not the same as tradition, something to be dogmatically enforced. culture isn't the same as tradition either
so disrespecting meaningless placeless pointless tradition isn't the same as erasing something
a lot of tradition is very worthy of rejection to say the least, from both western and eastern cultures, but not abiding to tradition doesn't mean supressing its existence
a lot of stuff from the past is pretty shit and sometimes we must remember it for how shit it is
She means and understands what she's saying. You can tell from her work.
The past can’t be erased, we must learn from it.
History is a disaese
@@laurioho2041 And just like a decease, it will eventually kill you if you don't study it and learn how to either cure it and don't get it again, or at the very least reduce its symptoms and coexist with it.
@@jim041276 and yet you remember it.
@@jim041276 oh boy, I can guess where this is going. Who are “they” and what history did they erase?
@@laurioho2041 Can see they did good work with your brain in school. All you have today is due to the past. History is everything.
Beautiful. So happy to hear this from such a successful artist.
Why?
@@honigdachs. Why am I happy about it? It's nice to hear a successful, world-famous artist shirk the trends of postmodernism, and instead embrace the massive well of inspiration that lies in history and nature. Rather than try to remain current and hip, to embrace capitalist waste and excess, she's trying to remain human.
@@TheGrades90 Sounds political to me.
@@honigdachs. so what??
@@tyramez-noncopyrightmusic92 Which means it's insufferable bullshit.
Based Björk.
Thank-you for summarizing my thoughts so effortlessly Bjork.
I love any good artist who has a hard-set firm opinion about their art, no matter who it pisses off.
Unless it pisses _themselves_ off, I agree. By all means, challenge your own art and be open-minded and willing to recognize where it may have gone wrong, regardless of how much your ego would vote against such an introspective process. Even use other people's feedback to that end, if it's genuinely convincing. Indeed, though, the fact that other people are pissed off by it is _not_ an argument against it of the aforesaid ilk, and potentially it could even be a sign that the art is working.
that's a lot of yapping@@derekg5563
I don't think postmodernism is necessarily reducible to a Warhol-esque glorification of pop modernity. In fact, I think a postmodern reading of Warhol might be that his work isn't glorifying its subject matter, but rather highlighting the absurdity of our modern relationship to these modern icons. That doesn't mean we have to abandon the past; rather, it means we need to re-examine the basis of our relationship to all forms of iconography. Acknowledging the reality of our lived history isn't inherently antithetical to postmodernism, and I think many postmodernists would argue that it is the authenticity of the relationship with the subject matter, rather than anything inherent about the subject matter, that truly matters-which means that an authentic relationship with past myths is fully possible.
If that’s the true postmodern view on it, I don’t think many self-proclaimed postmodernists would agree.
But let’s say you’re right and what you’ve laid out is the definitive postmodern view on mythology- if you question the integrity of a past myth are you not damaging your relationship with it?
@@jmeds94 I don't think a single, definitive "true postmodern view on mythology" EXISTS, so I'm certainly not purporting to have stated it myself. I made it quite clear in what I wrote above that I was not writing to represent ALL postmodernists. Postmodernism isn't a singular thesis or dogma, but rather a very broad collection of ideas with similar themes that emerged at a similar time. My many interpretations are possible under the general rubric of a postmodern perspective, and I have simply put forward a suggestion that isn't incompatible with the foundations of postmodern thought.
I'm not sure why your "thoughts", absent any actual argument, should be convincing here. You can think all you want about what others may or may not agree with, but if you're not offering reasons WHY, we have no reasons to believe you.
To answer your question: No, I absolutely do not think questioning something, even at its foundations, means you are damaging your relationship with it. I think questioning is a sign of intellectual curiosity and rigor in thought-I think if a relationship is built on nothing but blind faith and can't withstand any scrutiny, that relationship was likely not very strong or valuable in the first place.
@@jmeds94 if you don't question something - you don't think about how and why you deal with it - then you're not having a relationship with it. At best you're living unconsciously within it, like a fish in water or a worm in mud - at worst it's indoctrination that you're aware of being external to you but have no tools to question.
@@jmeds94 Ah yes, the self proclaimed post modernists.
@@jmeds94 Nah. I’d call myself a postie, their take is based. Maybe a bit post-post but what ain’t these days
I like that she makes the distinction here between the fundamental symbology and modernity. As artists, I think that the more we indulge modernity without striking at the primal and irreducible components of existence, the more we stray into a deadened area of creativity.
Those artists that successfully strike at something both crucial and primal and deliver that in a digestible form are the ones we should treasure in the modern day.
One of better videos i have seen on yt
Björk is now the best musician out there. I did not expect that, but it’s the case.
I think that she is critiquing modernism more than post-modernism. I also think that Warhol was a bit ironic with his art. Part of the point of the soup cans is calling to an audience's attention that art exists everywhere, even the most mundane things, and that some of the most widely consumed art is absurd, mechanical, cynical, and focused on consumption. Warhol's art is about mythology in a way. It is about the contemporary celebrities, products, and ideologies, and my reading is that most of the time it is critical too (but maybe that is more-so my own projection). It is not about the mythology of 500 years ago, and it doesn't have to be. Both of these things can exist alongside each other and they are both important for different reasons.
Soup cans aren't art. They're the definition of postmodernist nonsense.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 i would argue every single thing humans design is art. Just not all of it is valued as "high art". So soup cans are art. Somebody used materials to craft and design the form, colors, and language on the soup can to achieve a certain affect, brand recognition, as well as aesthetic appreciation from consumers. If that isn't art idk what is.
@@wiseguy69696 No they didn't. Soup cans are mass-produced by machines.
Capitalism and marketing isn't art. It's the antithesis of art.
Postmodernism is deconstructionism for the sake of deconstructionism. In art its can be sometimes interesting (film and TV for example, and fiction). But in academia it's poison.
I love the way she speaks. Her music isn’t really within my tastes but there’s something strange and pure about her.
My ancestors have access..... Hooooooooloooooooow
"It’s just the feeling when you start thinking about your ancestors and DNA that the grounds open below you and you can feel your mother and her mother, and her mother, and her mother, and her mother 30,000 years back."
I just found this video. Knew very little Bjork but I agree entirely with her, and with the title of this video. Thank you. I'm a fine artist and all I can say is that art has become self-referencing without a connection to what is common for the human condition regardless of the location or tradition. Art has become irrelevant and a mere entertainment for which the main role is in the hands of curators for assigning commercial value to it.
Under Post Modernism, yes. I think there is a growing desire among artists to return to meaning. Most viewers never stopped wanting meaningful art and were alienated by the ‘clever’ cynical irony of the Post Modernists. The Post Modernists lead art into a dead end in which it became largely an investment market for collectors, a status game for artists and a mostly irrelevant, meaningless waste of time for everyone else. ReModernism and Metamodernism are two attempts to articulate/document a renewed desire for meaningful art and are worth looking into if you are not familiar with them.
@@Pneumanon Good!! 👍👍
@@Pneumanon it's a reflection of propaganda's influence from mass media/internet, and times getting worse, no one wants to talk about it so "truth" changes - easy for art to be about truth when things are improving and getting better
@@FamiliarAnomaly Perhaps I don't understand what you mean, but that sounds like the opposite of what I was saying. I am saying that there is a return to "truth" in art taking place today. Also, your post seems to have been hidden by youtube for some reason.
If art is to show a connection to the human condition, then maybe the self-referencing itself is a reflection of today’s world where humans are becoming increasingly disconnected and estranged from one another.
This is about pop art- not postmodernism. I don’t understand where this title comes from, probably some Jordan Peterson Stan that thinks every facet of newer academia that they dislike is postmodernist. The commodification of history is a byproduct of commercialization, the fetishization of capital, not post modernism.
I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me.
@@sasamilic720 Then dont play into tired stereotypes. There is a reason why u have ppl with greek philosophers as profil pics in these comments calling her "trad" lol
@@dov2mt what stereotype am I playing into?
An inspiration for all true artists!
This woman truly is on another level
@@geolazakis not to mention the constant stuttering. I get that it’s an interview and it wasn’t something she prepared heavily for but could she not have taken a second to collect her thoughts.
@@geolazakis no, you're childish
@@aldiergreen explain
@@Somespideronline did I stutter?
@@aldiergreen no, but you're not explaining as to why they're "childish"
I recently went to a contemporary art museum in Australia . It was tragic. There was a balloon suspended in mid air by a hair dryer. That was the whole piece.
Find (on vimeo I think) Roger Scruton's 'Why Beauty Matters.' It's the most eloquent take-down of postmodernism I've ever seen, while showing you why it's ok to find some things beautiful and others revolting. Postmodernism is just utopianism which is essentially "I should feel something different about life and I'm gonna destroy life and tear down philosophy until I can make others (and most importantly myself) feel how I think I should feel about XYZ." The problem is, we don't control our thoughts or our minds, and you can never make yourself like anything. And they know that. Hence the insanity.
@@cecilcharlesofficial I could not have described postmodernism any better! 👍
Ah yes. I believe that piece is Don Herbert's "Bernoulli's My Bitch".
The whole point is that you are supposed to bring to the postmodern art piece a part of yourself. Its not complete until someone interprets it in their own unique way. Just like the book is never complete until it is read.
@@cecilcharlesofficial That is just a strawman, plain and simple. For all Scruton amounted to, his criticism of 'postmodernism' is just silly.
based and bjork-pilled
I’m disappointed and mortified whenever I don’t understand what’s going on in a particular video. This is one of them.
I think I tried once, unsuccessfully, to get her to leave the bard's college in Solitude and follow me to Windhelm.
Nuanced view, I like it. I also have no issue with your title, actually I think it's a good one.
Thank you for this video
Love this idea of mixing modern and ancient ways into a larger cohesive picture. Her aesthetic values really align with mine. I have a different interpretation of Andy Warhol than her tho, I think he was genuinely this guy who just took a childlike glee in television and celebrities rather than anything cynical.
As a gay man of his time, fantasy is escapism. When the culture was so hateful, escapism keeps a person from "losing it". Ironically escapism in modern times looks like going to a movie based on a plot from mythology. Marvel studios etc...
agree w this
Agree with all you said there. I think the title 'postmodern' is a little misleading though from whoever put this up, as Bjork is just talking about pop art in its commodified forms, like Warhol and Jeff Koons, etc, although she also hints at Damien Hirst and an artist closer to herself: Yayoi Kusama with reference to the dots. Knowing Bjork she is referring to a specific type of postmodernist art and not making a sweeping generalization about the entire movement
Bjork is a good example of the link between Scandinavian and Scottish dialect
Great title. Seriously adds context.
Beautifully said. Wow. Just wow.
Since Björk doesn't refer to postmodernism here at all, I think the title refers more to a spin that the uploader is putting on Björk's outlook. What I got is that Björk draws deep meaning and inspiration from myths and other archetypal structures; this *could* be seen as (in essence) in opposition to postmodernist philosophy, but I don't see her directly occupying herself with that array of problems that postmodernism developed in response to. She probably doesn't want to waste any time occupying herself with the attendant nonsense.
Yes honestly it was against Pop Art
@@JakobMusick simply postmodernism is regarding the relationship between a piece of writing and the author, audience, implied audience, etc. of that piece of writing.
postmodernism didn't come about as a remedy to existing problems as you suggest, it is simply a contemporary style which of course will appear in adherence to contemporary consensus vis social and political issues.
@@ayyleeuz4892 "Postmodernism" is quite the broad brush term, and like a Rorschach, suggests different things to different people. But in as much as some philosophers have occasionally declared their orientation to be "postmodernist", it's fair to say, as a rough approximation, that this stance developed *in part* as a counter-response to old philosophical certitudes (e.g., the supremacy of reason and science as in Enlightenment thought). And that's as far as I care to elaborate within the confines of a UA-cam thread, fer cryin' out loud (not the place for a lengthy exegesis). Except to add that I never used the word "remedy" -- that was your interpolation.
@@toddtrimble2555 it, like everything does, can suggest different things to different people, but it is still just a style of writing and from there styles of different kinds of art. the reason you conflate the beliefs with the style is that these are beliefs of contemporary consensus appearing in contemporary style, as expected there is conflation. there exists postmodern writing expressing those exact "philosophical certitudes" you believe postmodernism is atleast in part in response to, because it is simply a contemporary style which appears expressing contemporary liberal and Marxian beliefs; the ideas and style can seen as intrinsically conflated but the style can still be used to express anything at all, and so in reality it is just a style
Under 2 minutes long.
Mentioned commercial artist’s destruction of myth or totalizing meta narrative.
Best short video describing “post-modernity.” I’ve seen.
But what can any of us know?
you sound like a Jordan Peterson fan, that 's not post modernism, Bjork was describing mercantilism and capitalism.
What do his fans sound like? Are they all bitter and humorless like you?
@@thomasdupont7186 PM is defined above all by a seething contempt for tradition, certainty, historical past, cultural identity, and so forth.
It was a critique of postmodernism.
@@thomasdupont7186 Dr. Peterson is garbage.
@@codyvandal2860 This just isnt true. Postmodernism is an era of philosophy filled with philosophers who all have very different views but all came to certain conclusions. Most of the major pomo philosophers are CRITICS of this phenomenon, eg. Baudrillard does nothing but write about the unsolvable horrors he saw of the current times, and he is a Pomo philosopher par excellance.
When I read the title "postmodernism" I thought I will heard about Teun A Van Dijk and his friend 🤣 when she said "disappointed" and "plastic" kpop product are instantly in mind
She is right. Myths are timeless and ever-happening.
Amazing woman. So beautiful as well.
Very interesting! I am an architect and I will use it in my classes, for me it´s not about post modernism, it´s about tradition and originality. You can´t be original if you don´t go to the origins, if you don´t know and understand tradition to create something new out of it you just copy and plagiarize without consistency. There are no true artist that haven´t studied the history of his/her discipline. I like two sayings from different architects: the first one is "We must be like rowers, they go forward but looking back" the other one is"Everything that is not tradition is plagiarism"
Post-Modernism is just an extension of the prevailing marxism imposed by baby boomers of the 60's onto future generations. We can see the results. More people died of Fentanyl last year by over x3 over then all the people that died fighting during the multiple decades war in Vietnam, yet you don't see any pop culture movies and millions of hit singles/bands lionising these people...their literal children. Why? because its an indictment of the world they created. A generation of hypocritical narcissists.
this explanation i like
Clever woman. True artist!
If you wanted to change the title I'd suggest 'Bjork on postmodernist(or just 'postmodern') _art'_ - that way you make it clear that she's not talking about postmodernism as it's normally thought of(ie. the very weighty, complicated, subtle philosophical/sociological/political/etc. subject) and is instead talking specifically about postmodern art(which is a separate category and very much includes the kind of soulless, heavily 'ironic' art that Bjork is talking about).
And I think anyone complaining about that title would just be splitting hairs.
I'm a New Zealander with Scots/Irish heritage, but also Norwegian, and as much as I try to live in the present, and mostly look forward, I can feel my heritage in my bones. Bjork's Hunter could stir the primeval in anyone who pays attention.
Interesting to hear her talk about "shooting down roots" here, which is something she keeps using to describe Fossora
Bjork sounds so reasonable here. I always liked her music starting from the days of the Sugar Cubes. Yet, I would always see all the crazy stuff, and not know what to think about her.
Shes adorable with a beautiful mentality 😊👍
Björk on pop art
I dated an Icelandic girl she is cool she is now my wife one of the most intelligent humans I have ever met and she has stayed at Bjork house a few times 😅
Dear Gods I love this woman! Hail and Skal!
What she says is so true!Love her🫂
Bjork is sooooo cute.
True. And she's rather wise too. What a combination!
This why *Heilung* are such deserving artists - apart from the fact that their music and performances will blow your mind.
Honestly can't stand the one in this video but huge follower of heilung so weird to see someone else talk about them
More sense in 60 seconds than in three years of a post modern art or gender studies degrees.
The title is still perfect
This woman is absolutely brilliant and always ahead of everyone else
Fucking bullshit, she's out of her mind and as left as it gets.
Judging by many of the comments, I don't think a lot of people know what "post-moderism" means...
I'm wondering what they even think postmodernism means, if they had to describe it.
@James Black Don't forget "woke".
The 'on paper' definition of postmodernism means nothing when the pracitioners
use it the way they do.
Find something people conventionally enjoy, remove it from its historical context, and find a way to connect it to racism, classism or whatever ism of that year is. subvert expectation, deconstruct, dismantal bla blah blah and present no alternative other than a parody. All in an effort to impress and one up your postmodernist peers.
It was cute in 2012 but now its just as conventional as its victims.
@@raymondcarter8915 Racist historical art, the poor victims of postmodernists 💀
@@goldie481
and like i said...only to turn around and be the very thing they claim to 'dismantle'.
"Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People" ..WTF?...thats a real title.
she is a champion
God damn shes adorable!! Ever since I was a kid I've had the biggest crush on her!
Björked and Basedpilled
istina!!!!
I love her more now. This is a bit simplified an example of her concerns, but I've been somewhat concerned/depressed lately to discover that young people today don't grow up interested in the previous generation the way kids did when I was one. I mean, when I was like 12, I LOVED getting to see The Graduate and The Godfather. (I'd only seen them on regular TV, with commercials, but The Graduate was legit my favorite movie when I was in seventh grade, haha.) I was obsessed with the Beatles and the Stones. All I ever wanted to talk to was OLDER people. People who KNEW stuff.
And I wasn't alone. All my friends, all we wanted to consume was media for grownups.
I don't know if it's more about wanting to stay a kid forever, or the helicopter parents shielding them, or just that there's sooooo much quickly disposable media today. OR that it's because there is some stuff AIMED at kids today that is way too sexual already. (And these kids being exposed to porn so early, and so MUCH of it- that is a DISASTER. For many reasons.) But I doubt most kids today even have heard of movies from before their time.
(I'm a fiction writer, and I recently wrote something set in the 90s. At one point, a 14yo girl is reading Donna Tartt. Someone said to me that didn't seem accurate. But that's how kids WERE then. Boys or girls, they wanted the stuff their older cousins were into.)
That's why I never get it when you see a kid on a YT comment section for some old song talking about how he loves old music, and some old farts always start mocking him. Isn't the young heads appreciating our stuff what you WANT?
It's a weird, sad state. On one hand, these kids have been exposed to stuff way, waaaay too sexual and violent for their age. On the other, their favorite movies and music are all stuff from the last five years.
I don't know know where it's all leading and I'm kind of talking about two separate issues. But I would hate to be a kid today. Their minds are filled with such CRAP. It seems like it would take Spartan endurance to cut through it all. And how would they even KNOW it's crap?
They still have the natural desire to be fascinated by adult stuff, but now that means watching some horrific gang-bang video on their cellphones. It doesn't mean watching a Scorcese movie or listening to a 90s band with your cool-ass uncle.
Watch a '90s movie with the average Gen Z teen (or adult!), they'll remark on how extremely old it is.
@@alvareo92ot all of us. I’m 24 and I’ve always been in AWE with pop culture from the past and the “Americana” of the culture from the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. I’m constantly revisiting old films, silent films, black and white, you name it. Same with music. I have a lot of “Gen Z” friends who are also really into pop culture from the past but then I have some other friends who are completely oblivious to the fact there was a world before the day they were born.
I will say, I have kind of the opposite feeling on this as well. Like I said, I just turned 24 and as I’m getting older, I’m trying not to lose a grasp on what’s popular. I hate how every generation reaches their 30s and immediately starts trashing on the movies, music, fashion, etc. of the younger generation rather than explore it for themselves.
I don’t ever want to reach a point where I’m the typical adult I’ve despised my whole life who is too stuck in this nostalgic box that reject anything new.
“You don’t want to be the grown up at the kids table, but you also don’t want to be the old man screaming at the clouds.” - Megautube99 2023
Good observations. On the topic of "old" movies, when my niece was about 24 years old, some 7 years ago, she discussed a movie she had seen but couldn't remember the name of, which first she described as one of those old old movies, one of the first ever made. I thought, okay, she's talking Valentino or Buster Keaton or maybe Greta Garbo, some silent film, early talkie maybe... So imagine my face when she described the plot and I realised she's talking about Mad Max! 😆
A good upbringing founded on values and morality acts as a compass for the younger generation to have the discernment as to what is beneficial to them and what is vain. Someone who can see the utility of learning from history and understand how to build on what was practical and truthful is vital to a secure future
Nah you all too dramatic, just the same basically...only different circumstance, not all young people watching some horrific gang bang video etc
She speaks more intelligently as a non-native speaker than any American pop star I've ever heard.
I have always agreed with this.
*German philosopher Martin Heidegger (1966):* 'As far as my own orientation goes, in any case, I know that, according to our human experience and history, everything essential and of great magnitude has arisen only out of the fact that man had a home and was rooted in a tradition. Contemporary literature, for example, is largely destructive.'
Today's contemporary has stopped building on yesterday's. No continuity nor progress.
Heidegger was also a Fascist Sympathizer so it's unsurprising he'd have comments that romanticize "tradition".
@@JoshDoVids Many argue that today's _cancel culture_ is both fascistic and seeks to rewrite history.
@@JoshDoVids so what he's a "fascist sympathiser" I suppose you're appealing to the static truth of: "thing linked to Hitler, Hitler bad, therefore thing bad" but this is a fallacy with its own name Reductio ad Hitlerum. fascism means lock step cooperation of state and corporations which is not far at all from the reality you live in. is it a certainty that fascist thing is bad by default? well fascism has already been sold to you in your own "democracy" by your own "democratically determined" leaders with many more syllables in the "public private partnership"
so while you cry out silly ad hominem points to justify dismissing Heidegger in totality, know you are quite apparently far too ignorant to be so certain about such things
@@beingsshepherd That has nothing to do with Heidegger's ideas and their association with Nazi Fascism. But congrats, you show your ideology quite effortlessly. I'm aware that many bad faith actors who want to further obfuscate reality by construing progressive social trends to capital F-Fascism. All that serves to prove is that these people really have no idea what Fascism is other than it's politically convenient to call your opponent 'it'.
She is the best kind of anarchist.
Is she an anarchist?
@@edcify8241 I don't think Crass signed her for her vocal techniques.
I love This interview
Like number 6667. Breaking the delicate equilibrium.
Mastermind 🌹🌲💚❣️🤍
Wow. Clear ideas and well spoken. I should probably listen to her music.
Ehhhhhhh it's an acquired taste for sure, I can't get into it. Still she's very insightful and I respect her stuff a lot
Where can I find the whole interview?
Beside the point but... _CUTIIIIIIIEEEE!!!!_
（日本語字幕なので）昔の日本の番組が出典と思われるけれど、コメント欄に日本人がおらず海外の方ばかりな事に、世界の広さを感じて、なぜかふと興味深さを感じたのでした😌
Understood.
A fair perception.
For me, I like to connect with all (past/mythology & postmodernism/now & possible/impossible future)
but we all have our way of looking at things and they're all valid, of course.
🙂
To be fair, she herself didn't use the term "postmodernism", it was simply the closest word I could find for a short & snappy title.
@@sasamilic720 - yeah, that's understandable 🙂
doesn't postmodern just mean beyond the "modern" (1945-1979) era?
Then you're a walking contradiction
@@AR15andGOD - ok
There are those of us who keep the roots alive
She nailed it
I love her
she never said postmodernism...
the video needed a title
@@sasamilic720 this isn't really relevant to postmodernism. Postmodernism is a response to modernism not "The Past".
@@daniellaniganohara2456 come up with a better title for the video then
@@sasamilic720 bjork on tearing down the past or something idk. It doesn't matter, Im just pointing it out because postmodernism is very misunderstood because of how people use it as a buzzword
@@daniellaniganohara2456 postmodernism is an art movement that comes after abstract expressionism, pioneered in the late 60s by andy warhol etc, abstract expressionism was all about the psyche whereas post modern art was a reflection of capitalism and materialism and the american ideal. in this video bjork is referring to post modern art, music and literature
The ppl in these comments saying “what does Andy Warhol have to do with postmodernism” aren’t as bright as they think they are
They probably only heard the term from people like Jordan Peterson (who uses it wrong) and don't even know that it is a period in art and literature, not just a philosophical school
@@john.premose He doesn't use it wrong. Postmodernism manifests itself in three forms, one of them being theoretical postmodernism, which is what Peterson addresses (albeit sophistically).
@@pseudoplotinus no bro, people like Derrida never called themselves postmodernists. The word is Structuralist, post-structuralist, or something along those lines
@@john.premose it's not because someone never use a term that this term doesn't apply to him or her. Have you ever heard a hipster calling himself a hipster ? They all refuse that term, but hipsters exist.
@@sebastiencarpentier2264 lol clown
Goated Björk W, I love her
What a legend!
So this is vaporwave. I get it now.
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Thats actually true. Taking postmodernism and turning it back into tradition. Very interesting
not really about postmodernism but ok
It is about how it's better to be a romanic volkish dreamer than a degenerate postmodern hipster
well it is if you learned about the word postmodernism from 4chan wojak memes or deranged tumblr terf cliques
Postmodernism is about rejecting tradition and "objective reality", is it not? Postmodernists aren't exactly in tune with their past, regardless.
Well it actually is but ok
@@joelalvarez5322absolutely not lol
my tv exploded
Wow - she has just gone up massively in my estimation.
Confirmed: Björk gets it.
What does this have to do with post modernism?
"erasing mythology and erasing the past"
@@sasamilic720 that’s not what postmodernism is
@@peteranderson1031 great, offer your own definition
She mentions "pop culture" and "soups and plastic", as well as "mass made polka dots". She's alluding to the fact that one of the aspects of a postmodern society is its treatment of all art as a commodity and commodities as art, as well as the fact that popular culture is seemingly woven inextricably into the fabric of "high culture", art, aesthetics, etc. She's not coming out and saying "postmodernism" but she's expressing how she feels about some of its effects.
@@peteranderson1031 it certainly can be a part of it. It is easy for postmodernism to lead to a kind of psychocultural chaos in which the past is endlessly critiqued and analyzed and pop culture is elevated to the status of art meaning that often times people turn away from national or local traditions or ideas in favor of popular trends, and the broader society even encourages them to do so.
Speaking about Fossora values, 20 years before.
Wise words
Björk on consumer capitalism.
(There is nothing postmodern about consumer capitalism)
I understand not enjoying/getting Warhol, but what postmodern art is (broadly speaking) is an experimentation with new ideas and the rejection of certain traditions and values… that doesn’t mean it came from nowhere though. It’s existed for decades at this point in many forms of art and one could definitely argue ‘has roots’. I think this video should have been called ‘bjork’s thoughts on Warhol’ frankly, as I don’t think she’s talking about all of postmodernism here (if she is she’s a painting the point with too broad a brush) Not everything postmodern is about ‘mass production’ or ‘plastic’…
Andy Warhol will never recover. He has be soup-canned out of existence.
as wise as always
"I don't know, when I have a fan that blows his brains out I basically have to take a step back, take 12 hits of acid and stop and think, what the fuck just happened"
Yes that’s true Bjork, the two can coexist. Look at the abstract art of Cy Twombly, synthesizing Greek history and Mythology into an abstract format.
hey buddy, I just wanted to let you know you're about half as smart as you think you are.
Dear friend, I'm afraid the artist you just mentioned is of very little relevance to anything at all
I also see no connection between his art and Ancient Greek mythology. It more resembles the scribbles of a kindergartener
That's the filth she warned about. New artists mocking the artworld.
@@caiqueportolira He’s quite prominent.
She is the Most beautiful Eskimo I have ever seen.
Her little brother played the little kid with the boomerang on Mad Max.
That's the fun part:Seeing what people read into it.
She's criticizing modernism, not postmodernism.
For me now when I hear art is “postmodern” I think “oh so it’s shit”
You literally can't get much more postmodern than Bjork's art.
Oh my God YES!!
That's about modernism, not postmodernism. Modernist art and design tried to do something not inspired by nature, something entirely abstract and manufactured.