@@luifanet as someone with thousands of hours spent playing the MH series, I think you should take your dumb mindset somewhere else. Whether someone plays MH to grind for those perfect god builds, or just playing to fight something and have fun, their choice as to how to play the game is perfectly valid and respectable. Mind your own business and you'll find you won't end up getting bothered by others. Of course when people do shit like infinite ammo HBG... Yeah, they need to keep that bullshit to themselves and stay out of multiplayer.
I love how people completely misrepresented their tweet as being against mods when the only reason they spoke about it is because the mod in question was being taken online and corrupting other peoples save files. They never at any point said they were against mods, they said don’t use this specific one online because it can ruin other peoples saves. It’s not hard to just not risk other peoples saves online really. Mods don’t ruin peoples fun, straight up cheating or corrupting saves do
Most of the cheat mods are more akin to controlling the RNG, the mods themselves have the option to "cheat" and make broken stuff but, the people that saw the tweet don't really mod or know how it works so they thought Capcom was referencing all mods which I kinda cringed lol
@@Bechanne_l yeah the responses under that tweet were painful to read. I genuinely just don’t think anyone actually read the tweet before responding(which is typical of twitter) because it was pretty clear what they were saying if they actually bothered to read it
@@Bechanne_l it’s also funny because capcom didn’t even take any form of action against the mod in question, they literally just said “hey, don’t use this mod online because it can ruin other peoples saves!”
Exactly. I came to say this. The title of the video is certainly a bit of click bait and also seems OP has little knowledge on the specific mod(s) for Sunbreak that the tweet is actually referring to. Of course, things that alter quests, armors or weapons directly and to values that are not "legal" should never be used online even if they do not corrupt save files but visual mods are perfectly fine and Capcom knows this
There was a really well known cheater on MHGU that would join your lobby and do stuff like using HBG at super high speed, sometimes it would crash other users and make them lose the save file. Silly mods are fun, but i was never a fan of making up stuff.
@@Toast0nyx Yeah i've heard both. I had a friend of mine that had no issues, but i've also had someone else that their switch crashed and just lost everything about halfway into the hunt
@@Chengeist sounds like it killed the experience. At least in my case the guy had the decency to make the fights more interesting. Sometimes he would act as an infinite item dispenser instead of attacking. He also increased his movement speed and somehow reduced his loading zone time.
Mods are fine until they effect the gameplay and experience of other players, changing the game in that is wrong. I won’t stop you from having a mod that give you better gear easier, let’s you see stats in the monster, etc but the moment you try to tell me the information or use a mod that drastically changes the. Wet game itself that effects me….You’re in the wrong.
I personally do not care if you mod your appearance, mod your charm and augment as long as it's legal, or QOL mods but don't cheat mod to have your stats being attack and defense 9999 and if you do keep it single player
@@dembirdstho9185 you're overexaggerating the impact of augments man, they'll save you maybe 30 seconds-1 minute per monster, even less so if you're a good hunter. Legal augments and charms are fine, they'll only add like 10% more EDPS anyway.
@@dembirdstho9185 well you can easily tell whenever a speedrunner has a lot of skill by their gameplay, discrediting a speedrunner just because they have optimal armor augments or a god charm is really rude and uncalled for, you just make them not want to speedrun because their work is severely downplayed whenever they post a speedrun
@@dembirdstho9185 If you think that having a min-maxed set is all it takes to be a speed runner, you're dreaming. On the other hand, if you're already a speed runner, the only fair playing fields are "no charm/augments" or "modded charm/augments". The middle ground that relies on RNG ruins the competitive integrity of the community. I can see why this seems like cheating for someone who plays the game casually and focuses on the immersion and grind. However, I'd ask you to try seeing it from another point of view. For many players, the allure of MH has become the perfect optimisation and execution of scripted/TA/hame runs. These players take pride in shaving time off hunts in any way the game allows and then sharing their improvements. This process elevates other like-minded players, cycling over and over, and continuously raises the skill ceiling of the community. It might be hard to understand but I'll make a simple analogy. Without those legal talisman and augment mods, it would be like giving all Olympic swimmers flippers, but of various sizes and efficiency. They all just pick a number and get assigned a random pair that might not even fit... I agree wholeheartedly that using any mods that ignore in-game legality or affect other players should be banned. I can't, however, see any positive that would come from forcing >500,000hrs of gameplay on top players to get min-maxed so they can compete fairly.
@@dembirdstho9185 you talk like everyone can actually speedrun, even if you give a casual a god tier or modded charm they wouldnt be able to get the same time with actual speedrunners lol
Capcom taking a passive stance is exactly what they should've done. There are some people, especially on Steam forums that are constantly arguing that this game should have some kind of anti cheat or that Capcom should disallow modding altogether... But none of those people understand that by taking such measures against this tiny minority of players that most of us never even meet in their games is also going to screw over the vast majority, aka the rest of the players. If you want a recent example of this just look at VR Chat and how the stupidity of the dev team completely screwed over the entire playerbase simply because they wanted to combat hackers. I'm happy Capcom isn't making the same mistake. Now if only they stopped putting Denuvo in their games too, or at least removed it some time after the game has released...
Not only you missed the point of the tweet you're comparing oranges to apples, the reason VRchat is still popular is due the extensive customisation it had banning mods is literally killing a massive portion of why people play it while as for MH is the gameplay loop modding was the cherry on top and only after world as wasn't much of a thing in older titles that made it popular.
@@thegameranch5935 Lots of people will go around either forcibly cloning people's custom avatars that were uniquely theirs, maybe they made it themselves maybe they paid for it, or they will go around crashing lobbies for shits and giggles. Some can cause all the loose props on a map to chaotically orbit around a certain person or their choosing. Best part is, that horrible update did nothing to combat the problem. It just neutered the community's ability to use quality of life mods. That issue with hackers remains unchanged.
I've never had issues with modding in any game. If you decide to do any "illegal" modifications like modding in armor, charms, and weapons that are unobtainable through normal means, just keep it to yourself and play either with friends or alone - don't go and ruin other people's experiences. Modding allows communities to make additional content for a game they love and I'm all for it.
@@DTEVibes yes. I don’t know about you but I actually want to play the game and not have someone 1 shot the monster. What’s the point of building gear and testing new sets if someone is just going to come in and stop me from doing that?
@@SanityPotion776 ah ok. I guess that makes sense. I’m kinda new to Monster Hunter (World/Icebourne), so that why I asked. I do play with mods but only offline.
i did come across a few of those back in mhw iceborne. and tbh, it wasn't that bad because i was hunting a considerably tough monster (raging brachy). rather, it was amusing and funny because he was flinching the monster every few hits. I just considered it a stroke of luck for easy rare monster loot.
@@SanityPotion776 dude one shot stuff never really happened, one player every 10.000 did that, I had 2k hours on iceborne and 500 on Rise and never met anyone like this (I play online a lot). If someone mods legit gear, decos, charms, qurio, etc. just because he doesn't want to farm he ain't ruining anything, you would never know he actually did that, you could think he only farmed a lot. If someone skips the farming he removes hours from his gameplay, not from others, so, unless you talk about people oneshotting monsters with trainers, other stuff doesn't make any sense
I'm glad that their main focus of concern is on game/save breaking mods and events. I play Rise on PC solo just because of the unknown mods someone may bring to the hunt. I also play Rise on my Switch, which is where I focus more my personal skills and the online multiplayer aspect. But as an NPC enthusiast, I just HAD to get the "Follow Me!" mod. The fact that their damage and health values match that of an actual player WHILE also making the monsters more powerful for balance makes it feel like a true story experience with 4 Followers by my side 💪
Beyond the Follow Me! mod, the only other mods I would use are those that clean up the UI or make the game appear more cinematic. I don't meddle with mods that give god tier charms and perks because I enjoy the grind, just with Fiorayne, Luchicka, and the Twins backing me up with their hunting horns and heavy hitting arsenal 🙌
I like using weapon layering mod. I love cornpopper however considering that we only got 3 lvl 8 shelling gunlances, Cornpopper is the only wide gunlance i use. being able to change the appearance of my weapon is great
I dislike the more silly weapons since it takes me out of fighting something while using a gunlance that looks like a piece of corn to the extend that I gimp my attack by using a weaker wide gunlance. At certain points the silly weapons outright disgusts me.
@@BobThePenguin. That is some NA reading comprehension right there. Person: I use weaker wide shelling weapons instead of the cornpopper because I hate the look of it. You: So DoNt UsE tHeM, sImPlE sOlUtIoN They literally just said they don't use the cornpopper and your room temperature IQ response is to tell them to not use the thing they already aren't using. I'm not mad, just taking the piss out of you for saying something so silly where everyone can see it.
I love the silly weapons, and one thing I love about MH is that it's universe makes space for silly weapons like the corn popper or the origami swaxe or the dango DBs. If all the weapons had silly designs, sure that would be a detriment to the game, but with them being a small minority of designs I think it adds a lot to the character of the game.
i mod both my talisman and armor augment for survivability, bcs im a boomer and no longer have a good reflexes like i used to, but i still want to play the game and not ruining other people hunt by carting. now if only someone could make a mod that can filters/ auto kick someone with augmented equipment that exceeds like 1 in 20 roll chance, i might finally play online in peace because if i can join and not kicked, that means they allowed it
This is referring a SPECIFIC mod(s) that change the way anomaly quests work, there are some that change the locale, others change the core fundamentals of the monster (like HP, dmg, etc) and some give you anomaly monsters at lower investigation tiers than you were supposed to. These are the mods Capcom is saying could brick your save game; which I can certainly see how they should not be used. Someone may go online and just join a random quest and brick their save without knowingly being in a quest that they could not be by "legal" means. The rest of the mods? Capcom hasn't said anything about them. On the topic of the armor crafting mods, Capcom should actually think about why are they so popular, perhaps people don't want to spend hundreds of hours on a gambling screen when we could be spending it hunting monsters, you know the actual name of the game? They should also look at other popular mods like the Follow Me mod where you can take followers on quests beyond surveys, why is that popular? Well perhaps some of us believe followers were the best addition to Monster Hunter ever and would love to have them all the time when we are not playing online, certainly Capcom could include that easier and better maybe. Same with the resize HUD mod, perhaps giving that option to players would be amazing since the HUD looks awfully big when used on a 4K TV. Or the Remove Monster Kill Cam, Capcom can just give us a button hold to skip that stupid animation, easy; it's clear most of us do NOT want to stand there like idiots for 40 seconds or whatever. So many QoL things we get from modding, Capcom should take as a learning lesson
The MH team should really take a look at the most popular mods and consider adding them in some form, or at least consider why they're popular. It's as you said with the Follow Me mod. People want to play with followers, there's clear demand for it
@@darkhero2 exactly. At least consider why they are so popular. If they don't want to add them to sunbreak at least they are new ideas for the next major installment
While it's really frustrating to get the best talismans and qurio crafts, I see it as part of the grind. I definitely dont blame people for modding in the best rolls though because the system is definitely super stingy when giving out anything even worth mentioning let alone material and time costs. As for cosmetics, I'd love to see Capcom bring back layered weapons especially since it was already on rampage weapons. Any other visual changes are completely harmless and are absolutely fine. You summed it up pretty well here. As long as it's not affecting people such as playing online with crazy mods, it's fine whether I use them or not. If someone comes in my lobby and one shots monsters, I'd be upset and probably even sell all quest rewards.
Talismans I feel was an acceptable thing since it was getting lucky with 1 thing. I remember getting lucky in GenU with my first G rank Talisman being a tenderizer and mounting, then never using any other one ever since for my play style it was a God Talisman. But with quruo crafts I feel like it went from a tolerable grind to a slog. Since you now need to get lucky with not just your Talisman, but now 5 pieces of armor. And that's if you stay with the one armor set. Later as new monsters come out with better armors and new metas you're going to have to get that same 5 piece luck every time. Where I wouldn't mod for perfect Qurio crafting, I am never going to blame people for doing so because the system honestly sucks. This is just the grinding lands again with a loading screen.
@@smeldernivenhoff7902 Yea, the weight on rolls is awful. I don't even mind the rng and grind if it was done better. Especially since like 80% of the skills are not really worth it. Some of them are a "Ehh, it's nice to have", but will get replaced eventually and those skills should be the bad rolls with good skills showing more often.
@@mungolockhart3875 agreed. Like I'm ok making my build around I get instead of min maxing. But oh my the amounts of times I've gotten part breaker on a piece when I already have it maxed, or get something dumb like a small deco slot but minus a level of weakness exploit is redundant. Also the system saying +12 defense is "rare" feels so underwhelming. It's like world treating the hard mushroom-mancer deco as a .02% rare deco that you're "lucky" to get.
I really like mods it makes world life so much larger and adds a lot of fun I don't really think capcom it's mad about the majority of mods they are probably mad at the investigation becouse are corrupting files for people that don't use mods Mods are great as long as if the user doesn't affect the game for other people because that I agree it's very selfish
I work 40+ hours a week. I don't have the time to farm endless amounts of hunts trying to get that .0001% godcharm or qurio roll. Thats why I mod so I can get the build I want and can enjoy my hunts.
As someone who did ar grinding normally on switch run and modded on my pc run i can say yes. Because the biggest issue with ar is that it is not fun fighting the same 45 difrent monster 50 times each to get majority of the pieces to find tune your build and the title update monsters expect you to be atleast ar 184 when you fight them so they will indeed blow your head clean off. To get majority of your good decos and finish ar grinding it will take about 150 to 300 hours to do and only about 20% of that is fun due to the risen quest being exciting. Then you get to such a high ar that you have to do missions so difficult that you have to drop entire weapons because they dont have enough damage output to fight anything over 240 solo. @handtomouth4690
Talisman system is really awful, like it needs some revamp were it's not 100% luck, make it 50% getting the right skillset and 50% upgrading the talisman and I could somewhat understand complaints about modding them. That said modding qurio is kinda weird because it's not that bad. Talismans as of today are still too gacha-like and I don't want to play a gacha when I'm playing monhun, I already play them on my phone lol.
I play the Switch version so sadly no modding. If anything, I just want to change how my weapon designs look. Capcom makes some awesome looking weapons...... but most of these weapons are trash gameplay-wise and that causes players to overlook 80% of the available weapons.
i dont care about mods that lets you generate god tier charm or qurio augments, im a firm believer of skill being the major factor to how good you are at the game, not the gear itself give a redditor metaslave a god set and he will still 3ple cart but this thing with modified quest is bad breaking the goddamn game for yourself and the other just so u can generate 60k prime essence and 69k of each anomaly part is dumb, just play the game lmao this same goes to like the 9999 dmg and affinity bullshit, dont ruin other people's fun and progress if you want cheat.
I don't like how there are some versions get exclusive content(cough the ps4 exclusive horizon crossover) yet people get mad at mods it's kind of dumb.
I think if you mod a game for your singleplayer experience - go for it, if it makes a game more fun for you! Going for multiplayer makes it a bit more complicated though. If its only cosmetical stuff that only you yourself see anyways or stuff like a dps meter or visible status buildup on monsters etc that doesnt really impact gameplay itself, that shouldnt be a problem. But going into a random open lobby with stuff like infinte health or super strenght is kinda uncool and unfair to unrelated players imo. PS: DarkHero, from where is the music you use in the beginning of this video? It makes me feel nostalgic for some reason xD
My modding pretty much stops at killing RNG elements (stats all legal); because I ain't got a Hyperbolic Time Chamber to spend a soulless eternity grinding away in. That fcking nonsense, which is a real cheap way of getting people to keep playing the game (really got that dirty gacha vibe), seriously ruins the experience. So I mod and flip the bird. RNG should be reserved strictly for the inconsequential, period. All else should be achievable by calculated effort.
Do not mind cosmetic mods, the mid max mods are in a gray area for me depending on the game to for speedrunning fair enough but when people show off their amazing builds like it took them hours to tweak it just right then they just edited in really bugs me, tho the completely broken or impossible stat ones I'm against.
The thing for speedrunners is that they have to install the Qurios Crafting Mod to be competitive. Which would require hacking their Switch if that is their chosen system. Sure, they are a vast minority, but so are people who show off their sets. This system sends all the wrong incentives, even to those that do not intend to do any of that.
@@SilverDawnbreak If they decide to do it, great. But somehow I wouldn't be betting on it in a community vote. Biggest chance I see is a rule change for TA and Free Style. But it still depends on what the community decides. I'm not deep enough in the community to make a guess on the general philosophy governing it. Some might want to get the absolute maximum while others would protest against the system as a whole. Will say though that I have seen a speedrun without Qurios Crafting earlier today.
I like mods, weapon layering is great, qurio augment and charm mods should be fine since they dont have an effect on other peoples safe files as far as i know. And i think speedrunners as wells as everyone else should be allowed as they are possible results in an unmodded game, even if the chance is miniscule to get those charms and augments. You still have to use your own time to research your own set, whether thats with mods or without. I have seen guys with ridicoulusly modded sets that still take over 20minutes for anomaly 70+ mob. Skill is the most important factor in this game at the end.
to me it really depends on how unlikely those results are though. If they're a 1/1billion chance to get, that's not a talisman you would *ever* actually see or get. It's still *technically* possible but not in any way realistic such that it's really fair to cheat in. I think more recently it's changed, but at one point it was thought to be technically possible to get things like full crit boost or agitator on a qurious craft. Needless to say that's not something any legitimate player would ever actually see. Having multiple rolls for a chance at something doesn't mean its even remotely possible to get it all of those multiple times. I'm not explaining that the best but hopefully you get what I mean.
@@princetbug well, the game has a system that prevent most illegal charms from existing BUT some barely illegal one can pass, those are the one you speak of, those are illegal charm, so the comment above yours is still right in my opinion For example, i've seen some 4-2-1 charms going around with 2 skills maxed ( skill like wirebug whisperer or evade extender) but those can't happen with skills like attack biost, agitator, etc... Cause of how the skill tiers are For the chance to get like, a 3-2-1 jewel with 2 specific skills, it's really low yes BUT not low enough to be impossible to have ( even more if you take into account that one build can use multiple different "god charms" ( for example, you could use a charm that does any of attack boost, weakness exploit or crit boost on any set that use all those skills ) This means that for speed runners, grinding those charms is hard, but not hard, the chance of finding a god charm isn't that low BUT the chance of finding a god charm for the weapon they're using in speedrun is really low, and you can't ask speedrunners to adapt to the charm they get as random rewards like " well you are indeed a bow player BUT you just got your first god charm and it's two skills only usable by switch axe, go change your main weapon" As for any random player, saying that them having "god charm" impact your gameplay is simply blowing things out of proportion, what's important is the skill of the player, by a very large margin, for your average joe, the diff between a god charm and a medium one is maybe 1 minute in his already 17 minute long run,and for multi that would go down to 20 second ? And maybe one less cart At worst you can ignore it, at best it can lessen the "that fucking random" effect Edit : anything i said for charms apply to qurio crafting to
@@chocolatinerevolutionnaire3730 as far as I see it, if the stats they cheat in have at least been rolled by a legitimate player it's at least fair. Otherwise no, it's not. If the odds of getting something so specific are astronomical enough that it's never been rolled without cheating, then it's not any better than increasing the stats of weapons by any amount that a normal player couldn't increase them. Obviously it makes little difference in a normal hunt, but cheating is cheating. That's just my stance in general
@@chocolatinerevolutionnaire3730 Fun fact about charms. If you roll 50 anima charms with mp accelerators and write down the results of what each charm was, then quit to title without saving and roll another 50 anima charms but this time used hunts to progress them, you would get the exact same 50 charms as before. If you roll 50 charms of a different type and then melded 50 anima charms to try and see if that affected anything, you'd get the same 50 charms. Charms are set in stone and their skills and slots have already been decided by the game long before you start melding them. If a god charm for your weapon is 500 charms away then you have no choice but to meld 499 charms first before you can get to it. It's entirely time gated. The only interactivity a player can have with the charm system is dying to rajang in the arena to speed up the process, or mass using mp accelerators to skip the trash charms as fast as possible. Thank god this isn't an activision game, if it was we'd probably all be buying mp accelerators from the store at 50 for $10.99 USD to skip the time gating instead of just modding it out entirely for free like we are now. At base the system works like predetermined slot machine, but at least it's not preying on gambling addicts to get an extra buck.
@@averythegamer4949 wasn't the table system changed in sunbreak ? to prevent abusing it by manualy changing the table ? if not then farming charms might be easier but that kinda compel the argument of using mods honestly in the case of charms, i think the problems isn't really the mods, but the system itself that makes it so attaining god charm isn't really something you can target for the amount of power they provide compared to the investment needed there was the exact same thing in world with jewels, i remember that farming for attack jewels for hour without anything, i think the system is far better with charms being RNG, but having such goal items being locked away by pure randomness is a waste and by waste i mean, you could make a system that require a big amount of farm to try and target charms, easiest implementation would be mats and unique mats that come from monsters at really high rank that allow rerolling stats on your charm and some to "lock" the stats that approach would be a bit easy honestly, but mix that with, i dunno, safi jiva type of craft, and i think it would be far better
I agree with basically everything you said. I use a couple mods myself, and my stance is "as long as you don't affect other people's experience, it's fine". Personally, I wouldn't use any of the major gameplay-altering mods like the ones that let you get perfect talismans or qurio crafts, since I like that aspect of the game and feel it would make the game less fun to just be handed everything I need. But I understand why people use those and have no issue with other people using them. It's when people start doing things like modding their damage to one-shot every monster and then jumping in online lobbies that I start taking issue. If you want to steamroll the entire game, that's your business, but keep it to solo play. Nobody wants to go into a multiplayer hunt just for it to end as soon as someone touches the monster.
Two points of misinformation: Capcom doesn't have an issue with cheat mods in general like you stated but rather with some modified afflicted quests that can cause save data issues even for other players who could be completely unaware of having these modded quests. And if you check the TA wiki speedrunning rules, god talismans can require a screenshot, augments are disallowed. Using speedruns as a reason to rectify cheating augments is not ok, especially since they aren't even allowed in the official speedrun ruleset. But I agree with you when you said: Make sure your mods don't affect other players.
@@drebin8477 I am thinking of playing MH on pc just to get op, mess around and do whatever I want. Ive already beat the game on switch and gotten over MR 100. I already have some amazing builds as well.
First Point: I think his point is that the community is and in his personal opinion it is kinda trashy to bring your cheated character online and I believe he just used that tweet to get into the algo and clickbait somewhat by tackling the tweet for 1/20th of the vid. Second point: TA wiki speedruns aren't the only speedruns. In my opinion there is no reason to hate on anyone who modded their talisman in existence when they can literally be never lucky enough to get one !with the intention to speedrun!. If they want to run competitively just let them and don't put a luckspeedbump in their way if they are not the type to play to MR999(and there is a fair chance that even by then they don't get their sought after talisman) before doing anything speedrun related because in the end it's just keeping talent from competing if anything. Also there is no real "official" speedrun ruleset with the meaning of the word "official". I have seen (and enjoyed) plenty of juiced up augmented armor speedruns.
@@xTKsauce my thing is that I interpret the speedruns with modded charms as similar to the Olympics ruling on steroids to keep it clean and authentic. Sure it's not the greatest example to use here since with hard work you can achieve the same results in Olympics. But moreso the point was keeping the challenge authentic.
My opinion: mods that allow you to play the game without tons of grinding or ones that customize the look of the game are fair game. Nobody wants to spend five hours getting a single plate or gem needed for a weapon.
I've seriously considered modding qurio augments. I've tried augmenting the last piece of my gear over 300 times and nothing remotely useful for my build showed up once (not even evade extender or any comfort skills I'd actually want). The system is flawed. And bringing that up usually gets me attacked by members of the community. Players with bad luck are punished by the system. It needs a fix.
See it this way: Qurio augments will only allow you to cram just a few for gems and skills to your build. It will not make a significant change to your DPS, or survivability. The point of this system is to give you a purpose for keeping playing the game. It gives you a goal to achieve so you feel motivated to keep hunting monsters. If you use modded Qurio augments, you will lose that. Is this really what you want? You'll basically ruin the game for yourself.
"Punished" is a very strong word here because the amount of difference it makes to hunts is marginal. You aren't required to interact with the system at all, so any improvement you get from it should be seen as a reward. It's not the game's fault if you're making yourself feel bad by trying to go for 0.0000001% odds.
@@Raymoclaus heres the thing if you read the comment you'd know the low chance isn't what I'm aiming for. 300 augments in and I'm not even getting utility skills I want. If you "don't have to interact" with a system then what's the point of it being there? Why have the rng to begin with when something more meaningful could be added? It's a frustrating thing to actually want the little upgrades that tweak the build but get spiritbird call that's already on the build or flinch free that's already on the build for the hundredth time. I want to interact with the system and get something, anything, little and nice but I am being punished by rng for wanting it. When you built every armor you want and every weapon you want there are 2 pieces of content left for progress on your gear charm grinding and augment grinding. To not interact would be to abandon a game I love because 60+ percent of things they release are for that content. It's flawed and needs a fix.
@@Emeraldraven777 "what's the point of it being there?" Here's the thing. If you read my comment you'd know I already answered this. You also answer it yourself by saying it gives you content to play through. The intent of the system is to give the long term players something to do. If you got your perfect gear right away, then it would be flawed.
Mods are fine until they effect the gameplay and experience of other players, changing the game in that is wrong. I won’t stop you from having a mod that give you better gear easier, let’s you see stats in the monster, etc but the moment you try to tell me the information or use a mod that drastically changes the game itself that effects me….You’re in the wrong.
I use only 2 mods: - One that shows a DPS meter on the UI. - One that spawns a Prism Spiribird at the start of each quest. I really dislike the spiribird mechanic, but I have taken a lot criticism for using this mod, even though all it does is save 2 minutes running around the map for no real reason Purists can be extremely stupid...
It's because there is a vanilla skill that allow you to get full spiritbirds during the fights. Also it's not necessary to get full spiritbirds, even in the most difficult fights the buffs you can prepare are enough. In the end you're just triggered because you're not fully optimizied at the beginning of the fight, which is equally stupid.
@@Benjy68Kill Couldn't you become fully optimized almost immediately in previous games by using an Ancient Potion? Or am I incorrect about that? If I am correct, is THAT stupid?
For the augmentation mods, it is usefull. The gatcha system in MHR Sunbreak is frustating, just like you said, it takes re-rolling for hundreds of times and i've tried it before, i spent hours just to re-rolling augmentations just to get better skills or better jewel slot upgrades. So, i was like "f**k this s**t, i'm visiting nexus!".
Yeah its true lmao. First i tried 5000 pcs of augment mats. Trust me. Those items are not enough and will never be enough to get what you want. I didnt get any decent skills LMAO. so i manually mod it to get specific skills T___T
I've never modded a game, but the moment I found out some Collab Skins weren't available anymore I literally started searching on this topic. I'd only mod for aesthetic/cultured reasons, and probably UI. Modifying stats isn't my thing, I did it for MegaMan Legends with the GameShark but not anymore because I'm a masochist now xD
Since many people seem to fail to understand how this works and what Capcom actually means, let me hit you up. MHWorld and MHRise have a very basic "anti cheat" function on pc. The legal system. Basically the game is incredibly easy to mod and change values and other parts of it to your own pleasure. However, the game has a check list of everything that is legal in terms of values. Stats, quests, charms, decorations, etc. Anything here that is not considered legal by the list will get flagged in the game. This is why there is specifically a mod out there for giving you really strong but still legal charms, because they don't get flagged and they don't mess up with anything when playing online. Same goes for everything else. Mods recently have come out for manipulating the qurio system to make quests that the game considers illegal. Problem is that unlike equipment or stats, illegal quests can flag the entire lobby as being illegal and corrupt the saves. The team has literally no way to do anything to remove legal mods from working even if they wanted to. The framework of the engine just isn't built for it. However my guess is they will make it so when your stuff is flagged as illegal, it will not allow u to go online permanently or until whatever flagged ur save as illegal is gone.
They could have picked a better terminology for it than "Legal/Illegal." All the time of this video I was thinking to myself, "It's my copy of the game. How is any mod considered illegal?" But I guess it's just their pre-coded hard cap limits. It's kinda confusing.
In MH4U you could create custom quest with custom rewards and post those hacked quest in online lobbies, I had a friend that created really good custom quest, things like fighting a really tiny akantor and ukanlos and the same time, a boss rush of the 2d gen elder dragons called "dragons unite", fight a massive great jaggy with ridiculous stats called "attack of the great jaggydrome". Qustom quest can be a really fun and challenging experience if you use them correctly.
There was a really excellent Steamworks mod I used for Iceborne that rebalanced the grind for rarer jewels. It cut the grind in half I’d say. I like those kinds of mods because I just don’t have time, but I don’t want a mod that just lets me buy them for 1 zenny either. I don’t feel like I cheated, but I understand the argument. I’m glad Capcom doesn’t seem to be opposing those mods that make grinding easier, not yet anyway!
Steam Deck user for MHRise. One of the main reasons I've looked into mods is because of Capcom/Nintendo's refusal to let me transfer my progress from Switch to Steam. For some games, this isn't necessarily a deal breaker. But when you're talking about a grind-focused game like Monster Hunter, which you can easily sink hundreds of hours into, I find it reprehensible that they won't let us keep that progress on a stronger platform. Even CDProjekt Red created save data transfer for Witcher III between platforms. So, skin mods I don't have an issue with; make the game look cool for your tastes. And when it comes to mods that edit your inventory, I don't always find it okay if you're trying to cheapen the experience. But, there are certainly situations where they are understandable, even on better moral grounds than the developer's arguments against.
i personally like fashion related mods because they let me make my character hotter and such (yeah, i deserve horny jail, heard it already). but i will never go as far as play modded quests and get myself unobtainables as they are actually gonna ruin my game just as much as other people's as i am not adept in game modding, which basically leaves me with mod loaders and mod libraries to work with if i want to mod something in fashion wise.
Honestly, this issue AND the general response by the majority of the casual side of the community just makes me *hate* (yes, it's gotten to the point where I actually hate it) them. Casual elitism was something I rarely experienced in MH before. Now that it's here, it's ruining my experience even if I don't use modded talismans and augments. It's a symptom that Rise and Sunbreak is diseased with gacha elements and an audience that tolerates or even praises gacha elements. The grind was fine for the old school talisman system because not every skill point mattered, it's about hitting the benchmarks (usually +10, +15, or +20) for it to have a single impact. Now, to me, it feels like the franchise I loved is slowly looking like one of my most hated thing in the world: a mobile gacha game.
i think their stance changed before it was more of a oy backup your saves you may lose em if you mod. Now it's: I HATE ALL THE MODS *DELETES MODDED UA-cam VIDEOS*
everthing beyond Visual is Cheating Capcom intended that everyone has different gear so people don't run around with the same stuff it's about variety and that is what it makes fun it's really boring when everyone has the same exact stats the RnG is what keeps the endgame alive everybody thinks he is a speedrunner ... just have fun with the game
You should make a follow up to this video cause capcom just gave parameters to what "Illegal anomaly quests" are. Since everyone and their mother is too stupid to read a video might have them stop spreading misinformation. They never said stop making mods or they are against it, it's that there are specific mods that break's the game's internal rules for anomaly investigations and that their spread to other people's games can brick their games with out them knowing.
i have the mod that reduces/takes away hit effects i literally cannot see a small monster like izuchi in a anomaly quest its like visual hit effect pinata
There are already settings which let you reduce the hit effects from yourself and your allies even further. Your own hit effects can be reduced to 50%, and from your allies reduced down to 25%.
My personal favorite mods are monster mods like mhw white fatalis. Seeing people bringing back old monsters or making a whole new monster is so awesome
Another thing this was actually something that happened back in MH4U as well, but for the most part most players that did this were respectful enough to keep the missions to themselves and wouldn't bring others into it unless they personally requested to join that quest with the person, I did it a few times as well but same thing I only did it for myself or whoever requested and only those who requested to join I would start the modified quests for
I play on both pc and switch. My main save is on switch we’re i play with mates and spend the most of my time. On pc I dick around with a few mods, mostly visual or QoL, including talisman and qurious augment mods, purely so that I don’t have to spend as much time as I did on switch grinding out materials talismans and augments etc
Only mods I use are auto-dango and the max spirit birds. Both are for cutting down my time doing tedious activities for hunts. I don't use them for speedruns, I use them just to get into a hunt quicker.
I personally don't have a problem with perfect roll RNG stuff. That's silly to scorn this. I've played 200 hours on MHR on the switch and I have barely gotten a semi-good talisman. Now that I've moved to the PC - I really don't want to sink another 200 hours into RNG. I agree that altering the game's mechanics and damage is not cool (Or at least not in open random multiplayer lobies), however mods that remove RNG elements are A-Ok in my book. If you want your talisman to feel "Earned" go for it. I have a full time job and a life to live
That's how i feel about it. I only use mods for layered weapons, armor, and to change the music. Oh and to get good charms. Spent over 300 hours farming them on switch with no luck. (Yeah not doing that again)
Speedrunners shouldn't get hate for modding talismans and augments, but it is kind of a shame that switch players can't really join the speedrun community since modding on switch is so difficult
didn't say it was, I was just replying to your statement about how switch community can't join speedrun. And currently, both platforms are separated. I'm not implying anything, just stating what's the current situation.
That's why you keep it to your self. im not gonna lie, I use several mods that allthough they don't brake the game they give me the benefits to slot in a huge amount of skills into my sets. The reason ? Because I always wondered what the theoretical max game values could be having every good skill in the game (back in world) I came from world playing it on ps4 (so no mods no game brakes all pure legit skill*) when rise came about I thought to my self, do I want another grind fest or do I want a sand box... So I decided if it comes to console I'll play it legit else if it releases in pc I'll sandbox it. So in the end play however you want but if you cheat keep it to your self and don't go online or play with your friends if they are ok with it. *I still consider myself a noob at world :p
MH4U has a similar problem, because there is a breach that allow players to easily modify event quests, it's called "Custom Quest" and while it was funny at start, people started to cheat with it, managing to make custom quests that looks like regular quests, but changing the hunter rank to 999, giving max money, max points and unobtenable stuff. So they could destroy your save if you were not making anough attention, there was also player with end games armors at rank 1 and weapons with 20000 elements and status which would make any monster die in no time.
I though mods were considered overlay modifications which don't affect game mechanics, but modifivations affecting core game mechanics like cheating was a form of hacking the game?...
ive played monster hunter when i was a kid. I've had friends who has cheat engines in their psp so that they can have max money, points, items and such. for me, it took away the joy of hunting. i get that it's frustrating to not get the rare item you hunt for for a couple of hunts. but finally getting it after your 500th time hunting a rathian, the ecstasy you get. it gives you the joy because you literally worked hard for it. on the ds, i've seen boastful pricks in multiplayer online that the toughest monsters are a piece of cake, only to find out that their 3ds' were homebrewed and has cheats in em. doing one hits to elder dragons and such. those kinds of modifications sucks tbh. it takes away the joy of the game. it takes away the joy of monster hunter. graphical mods are okay, but mods that are literal cheats are a pest for me. i hope everyone could understand. this is my opinion to mods/hacks/cheats thats been there for awhile now.
It's the MH4U Custom Quest scenario all over again. Back then you could create your own quest and it was so stupid easy too. From making a World Eater Deviljho Quest to making a Vs 2 Baby Deviljho quest, it was fun. Really looked like people could make their own event quest since you could also choose what items and rewards people got. That's where the problem began. First it was "Hey, please create a hard quest but make the rewards some thing amazing like mantles etc". That was fine. Created one shot quests where monsters would destroy you if you were not prepared but the rewards were worth it. Then it turned to "I lost my save data (That shit happened alot to people during my 4U days, it was serious IMO), could you please create a Low Rank quest where I can get specific parts for a build I used to run?" They gave proof that they did lose their save and so I did it. Got people what they needed . But then it devolved into "Man, the grind is too much. Please create a Low Rank quest with these mantles in the supply box and these rewards at the end" That's when I knew that it was time for me to retire from Custom Quest making and 4U in general. TLDR, Mods are mods. It doesn't matter what they are but it's how you choose to use them. I don't believe Capcom should ban people using mods but ban those who are using mods to get an advantage, at least online. I saw someone one shot a Malzeno in one of my hunts before and funny enough no one besides him carved it. Ugh sorry for the banter, it's just shit like that, that ticks me off
if the mods doesnt disrupt other people's games, i have no problems with it. Use cluster ammo as base for this, it pushes people back so dont use it near people. Same thing with the disruptive mods
if it wasnt for mods i would give up on half my PC games cause mod makes the game fun or increase its longevity after all i care about a games enjoyment not showing off :I and it isnt hard for a game to get stale fast unless you have a nice static of friends to play with otherwise mods for me :P
If the mods are just changing the models to something hilarious, i can see them supporting and having a good laugh over it. But if it flat out completely changes ur stuff like giving u a million mantles, i believe they would hate it
since there is no way to view a multiplayer quest before you join - especially using the random feature - how do they expect players to be wary of modded quests? afaik, you can't see quest specifics before you join a quest.
Dear Capcom if you wanna control the modding scene, give us a REAL multiplayer infrastructure so you can control the allowed mods. Since you don t care, why we should? PS. PS NOBODY likes RNG crafting. Sincerily, from a PS2 era Monster Hunter player
Yes, why should we care about ruining other peoples saves? They’re not going after your precious mods, they’re telling people not to use one specific mod online(custom anomaly quests) because it can corrupt other peoples save files
@@ninjafrog6966 guess what with a REAL multiplayer infrastructure your save files are on a server and they can control mods and integrity files. Sounds cool right? almost like a 2022 online game
And thats why many people think the game is bad. No. Not the mods. The rng of the talismans and the new curio crafting. The moment i stop having fun fighting monsters and start thinking it of a endless grind then i quit the game. Would i use mods that just give me the gear? I think not. If i was only playing singleplayer then maybe ... but i do enjoy jumping into a random game and playing with other people. Its better to just quit. "But ... but the other games in the series were the same if not worse" - yeah well just because youre used to the shit on your plate doesnt mean that i want that. If fans wont push for something better then you wont get it.
I think mods are something that the PC community have grown accustomed to and the second a Dev says no more mods then I here "oh come on its a PvE game." But the counter point to that is that it is not how the game was intended to be played and balance was achieved through their building the game. Especially if what you are doing impacts the game for those who are not modding. If people could remain ethical and only do visual mods then fine whatever but that has not been the case for Rise. as far as the speed run stuff goes: If you are speed running then set a standard for the armor you use. most of the time Speed runs for games have self inflicted requirements to have the run counted. that same principal could be applied.
I don't give a damn about what anybody else thinks about mods. Some games are dull, ugly, or live and dies by rng. And handheld mh has always been a host to all three issues. Now it can be fixed by the community and those not involved can shut the hell up. And the palico and palimute can't die so get rid of their health bars, because I don't care about them at all. They die and they come back so get rid of that clutter
I feel like you skipped over a more gray area of mods, being the mods that give you extra harvests (ex, x5 drops on honey, herbs, etc.) or even just straight up let you give yourself the max amount of any consumables. While they don't give you ridiculous amounts of damage, or vise vera like other types of cheat mods, I feel like they can be argued for and against. Some people might say it's just cheating in items, so they should be banned, but I personally l think they're fine. It's a similar situation to the curious/armour augments. Some people just bought the game for the combat, not hours and hours of grinding out consumables. While it's not ridiculous and RNG-based like the curious/augments, it's time-consuming, and adds up. You gotta keep in mind, there's all kinds of people out there, and quite a few of them probably don't have the time to spend on that, so they look for mods to skip over it.
if your playing single player games ALL mods are fine, multiplayer games only use "skin mods and ui/hud changes". if you want to play with cheats you should do it by yourself, nobody else will play with you. which is why i only play single player because 1: i have nobody else to play with. and 2: i like to use nsfw mods and risking that around streamers or kids is not ok.
i like dead islands way of handling mods. skin mods etc (you can play with friends). mods like "one punch" *even when installed by the devs themselves* (your playing solo and locked out of multiplayer until mod is unchecked)
I personally modded my PC World save to have Dante’s sword look like Malos’s Monado from Xenoblade 2, and modded the Dante Layered armor to make it look a bit better to me. Aside from a few mods that made grinding easier, allowing me to customize to my hearts desire, that’s all I did. I think modding is fine as long as you aren’t one shoting shit like Safi-Jiiva, because grinding can take very long especially if you’re unlucky, and some people prefer how modded armor looks.
I mostly use Cosmetic Mods but i used a Save Edit on the PC Versions of Iceborne and Sunbreak JUST to get everything i already farmed on my Console saves because my Friends play all on PC and we dont have Crossplay or Cross save.
I support a "play the way you want to" perspective. If it makes it more fun for you? go for it. But don't just drop into multiplayer and ruin someone's hunt :(
Custom quests cant be hosted online unless all players have the same mod/quest installed. I played many custom quests with friends and we are all fine. Cant say about the investigations because I dont use that.
As long as it doesn't disrupt other people experience I am personnaly okay with mods. I have myself two mods, one that I think is broadly accepted by the community is the dps-meter mod, I can just not talk about the numbers if my squad doesn't want to know about the stats and in the parameters I didn't activatr the total life of the monster : I don't know when it is going to die. But I have another one which can be a little bit controversial, the spirit bird mod. It gives you a big spirit bird at each start of any quest. I took this mod because I think that jumping around collecting inflated hummingbird gets old pretty quickly and ruins the dynamic of the game as well as eating 3minutes each time when you don't have the perfectly optimised path. I think it is kinda cheating but at the same time it makes the game much better in my opinion... What do you think? Is it too much according to you?
If monsters were virtually impossible to fight without spiribird buffs then I could empathise. They do make a noticable difference, but not taking them just adds a bit of extra risk. That's my take on it anyway. I'd very much like an official armour skill that starts you off with spiribird buffs. Something like Lv1/2/3 giving 20%/50%/100% of max buffs from the start of the hunt.
@@Raymoclaus I wouldn't have installed this mod if such talent existed. Do you mean that you would mind that someone with this particular mod joined your quest?
@@ATNdu85 Personally, yes. It makes hunts faster, giving an unfair advantage over non-mod players. But I think a lot of people would feel the opposite way because I see a lot of comments of people being tired of collecting spiribirds. If the mod also forced you to sit in camp for a couple of minutes, then I suppose that would mitigate my concerns.
I’d say use whatever you want offline, but I do think a little bit of common courtesy should be employed online. Like I would probably never use modded sets online simply because I know people don’t want you to use those sets in general when hunting with them, which I’m perfectly fine with doing. If someone doesn’t want me to use modded sets, even if they’re still technically legal to the game itself, I have no issue respecting the request and using sets I obtained legitimately in game. It’s just common courtesy, and I honestly don’t have a whole lot of respect for people that try to argue with others about it. If the people you’re hunting with don’t want those sets to be used in their lobby, don’t use them
I downloaded what is essentially a save file modifier. I felt I had to do that because despite many people asking for it in World, they decided to not put crossplay in Rise, saying near the end of development that they wouldn't have time to put it in. Personally I think this is bull. Therefore, when my friend bought me a copy of Rise to play with him on PC after already getting to anomally quests on Switch, I decided I'd make it as easy as possible for myself to get back to where I was (I still need to go through and do story quests to unlock HR and MR, I can just do it with better gear). When I get there, I will essentially copy my save from Switch (make my item box the same 1 item at a time, make all the same gear, set my zenny, points, HR, and MR to be the same, etc) and then delete the mod. I don't want to have to do this, but because they decided that either they didn't care about what the fans wanted or they wanted to be cheap and make people buy the game multiple times, I felt I was entitled to this decision. I understand that it could potentially ruin my save file if I mess something up, but that's a risk I'm willing to take to not have to slog through the early game stuff and all the farming I did again. (Also, I specifically didn't join any multiplayer fights until I could legally acquire the gear I was using, so I didn't mess up anyone else's hunts inadvertently.)
That’s not what it’s about, they are talking about people going online with modded quests that when other people(who don’t have the game data for the modded quest) complete the quest and break their save because their save file has data for a quest that their game has no reference for
As a nintendo switch player I do not have the option of modding but as for the crafter issue I do not know if pc has access to save scumming to "cheat" armor crafter as well
Okay, I'll admit to using cheat mods once or twice, but I didn't ever do it with Rise. To me, the only mods I have used were to change the look of my weapons and get layered armor sooner. I never really cared about doing extreme damage, I only cared about having fun. Even in World, I had one cheat mod that had the boomerang one shot, but I only really used it against annoying monsters who I wasn't even tasked with hunting (and Kirin, but that MLP reject deserved it.) To me, cheat mods ruin the fun of the game and just makes it rather boring.
4u had issues with people arguing over whether custom quest creation was shameful blasphemy after 3-4k hours of vanilla gameplay. most people just wanted to mix and match interesting combinations of monsters for special encounters to share with friends. i never ran into any cq that broke the game or granted unreasonable materials or resources yet people raged all over social media at anyone even modifying the 3ds to do things like stream without spending hundreds of dollars and shipping ur 3ds off to japan for months for hard mods that hold up for a week in the summer heat, or the super controversial act of wanting to backup your saves.. people just looking for a reason to feel superior to the next guy by being capcom ass kissing purists.
I use both a killcam disabler (so the camera doesn't go above the monster when you finish a hunt, that always disoriented me) and a mod that unlocks all daily dango. For the latter, I was really agitated that at times, the daily dango would sort of want to dictate what kind of hunt I was going on. Before I found the mod, I felt like every time Berry Safe would show up I was being pushed to do something difficult, or when Hap-peanut would appear I was being pushed to grind for parts. The game became less fun because of my obsession with trying to do everything as efficiently as possible, and my plans for my next hunt might have to be thrown out when the daily dango was really good for something else. That's partly my fault, but finding out about and installing that mod really helped me stop stressing about it, so I can hunt at my own pace. I don't want RNG to entirely dictate what I do. Luckily the other major RNG elements don't cause too much distress, but I have a lot more time to spend than most people do. I definitely wouldn't blame someone for using "cheat" mods to get rare monster drops or the optimal talismans for their builds, especially if they are either speedrunners or they just really don't have a lot of time to spend grinding. People have lives, and cutting down on the time you have to spend on the grind isn't bad. I'd definitely encourage trying to do SOME grinding if at all possible, since that's part of the core experience of Monster Hunter, but in the end, it is not my choice and it doesn't affect me. The only mods I would say are "bad" are the ones that negatively impact other players. If you show up in a hunt and just one-shot the monster for example, that takes the fun of the hunt away from everyone else (unless you're with a bunch of friends and they're all okay with that happening). But using a ridiculous damage mod in solo play won't impact others. Will it take the fun away from the player themselves, yeah I'd say so. Is it contrary to the whole idea of Monster Hunter, yeah almost certainly. But I don't think it's morally wrong.
I agree with this, but I also use the spirit bird and wirebug (its unlimited till you are against the monster) mods, because I hate the fact that you need to get birds to up your health and Stam, and wire bugs out side of the fight are fun to use to check other things out or get somewhere faster, I do use a few like he/you have said no not the damage one because that is just dumb, but I'm not a speedrunner but I do try my best for the fasten my time, I only play with me and my friends, and they know I have them and have them there selves because they're the same way, but if I do try to do a actual speed run, I do turn them off because I don't want people to act like I was cheating, I've also put over 400 hours in it, in just 2 months off of and on.
As far as the qurio-type mods go, I don't think it's simply about the speed runners. They may be a big part of it, but some people also get really freakin' bored rolling gear 30+ odd times just to get a desirable result. RNG in games is generally bull crap, put in to pad out the experience for lack of actual content. At _best_ it's slightly amusing, and at worst it's straight up abusive. It's not always the speed runners who mod for extra efficiency. Sometimes the grind is just blatantly unreasonable.
Random augmentations is just a very bad design and is disrespectful of players valuable playtime, MH Rise endgame is even worse than MHW endgame. At least capcom will not take any measures against people who just want to enjoy the game as they want.
Client side mods are fine, but mods that affect the gameplay for other people aren't. I played almost every MH game, since Freedom, including P3rd. Some of us want to suffer a little when we hunt monsters, so keep your hacked stuff you didn't earn in private lobbies. Nothing worse than seeing someone have cracked out gear from monsters they haven't even farmed.
that last bit you mentioned is what has been putting me off rise since release personally. I understand RNG is needed for replayability but could they atleast leave the option to just grind for the necklace you need even if it was alot to grind for. World did this so much better. Cuz atleast the steamworks wasn't really necessary and was just a mini game for extra mats which hell thanks! but the gem RNG has to go.
Mods are fine as long as it doesn't affect other people's games. Stuff like texture or UI mods are safe and it only affects you even during online but when you start tweaking the in game numbers, the core gameplay, the rng which may be fine as long as you play it only offline and turn it off after you're done with it. But if you bring that shit online, thats gonna bring problems
I have nothing against people using mods as cosmetics, bringing skins from other games or previous generations or just being goofy for fun. Altering anything in game that affects how the game is played like dmg, odds, rolls, missions is just cheating though, you can't be like "I've used mods to get perfect stats/skills on item to keep up with the rest" that's just cheating, even if you think the system is bullshit
The point is that you can't filter the type of mod you're using. I think Capcom should improve and anticheat barrier when you go online, so that it's impossible for these people who have any kind of mod to ruin your gameplay
I agree, as long as your mod is not something that is for cheating, it should be fine and allowed. But, if you are using something that allows you to just one shot monsters, please don't use it in multiplayer. And any mod that would be disruptive to other players in some fashion are a no go outright. The only mods I see as something that should always be fine are cosmetic ones, such as something that turns the appearance of one armor to another, as these mods actually have no real game play affects and other players, unless they are modded themselves, won't notice a thing as cosmetic changes are strictly client based and will not be represented for other players..
I agree, but I do think there should still be some common courtesy when hunting with other people. Like personally if I used modded sets, I would probably not use them online and instead opt to use sets I obtained legitimately in game if the people I’m hunting with simply request I don’t use them and instead use legitimate sets. I have no issue adhering to that if it’s what the people I’m hunting with want. It’s a very simple request that I do think should be respected
What would be incredible is if the Monster hunter devs made a game mode for making a character that is restricted from any online play, and tailored some of the augmentation mechanics to remove rng so that speedrunners have an easier time doing speedruns without the need of uploading mods to change how augments work
cheating in multi is always unnaceptable, but it's not about mods, it's about cheating. on mh world, i have reported about 3 guys that i caught cheating in multiplayer. i saw my fair share of people with qol/comfort cheats, that i didn't bother with since it only really affects them. people with infinite sharpness (which can be achieved with some armor skills anyways), people who magically had slinger ammo they couldn't have, people who had infinite ammo/coatings on range weapons, i don't care it's only about their (unfair) comfort. but i also saw some guys who would join a fatalis hunt through session or sos, and put it at 1 hp by throwing a rock. because i have a damage graph of all players from an ui mod, i noticed a guy dealing 200dps with suboptimal build and gameplay on shara ishvalda. for reference, against that monster the hbg pierce players have 130-140dps during first phase. and he was dealing those impossible damage the entire time, making the hunt insanely short and having the monster flinching non-stop. that was a player's first time hunting that monster, and that will be his first impression of succeeding that hunt.
I would say I'm also against the use of mods that give you desirable armour augments. It's not like the game ever requires you to augment to progress, and augmenting doesn't drastically reduce difficulty so I can't even call it an accessibility mod. It's a small modifier that gives some people an incentive to keep playing, whether that be to slightly improve your damage, or just to show off an impressive armour skill list, but at no point is it required or even optimal for progression. If you don't want to grind, that's ok because you're not missing out on much. It's your weapon that matters the most anyway, and there's no RNG augments there.
How do you feel about MH Mods and have you ever used any before?
people should not play MH if they plan on using mods particularly for augments and talismans.. dont have time to grind? then dont play MH...
If layered weapons were added, it would likely not include weapons like hunting horn
@@luifanet guess speed-runners and players who just wanna mess around with funny builds don't exist lmao
I love it. I use it for single player only
@@luifanet as someone with thousands of hours spent playing the MH series, I think you should take your dumb mindset somewhere else. Whether someone plays MH to grind for those perfect god builds, or just playing to fight something and have fun, their choice as to how to play the game is perfectly valid and respectable. Mind your own business and you'll find you won't end up getting bothered by others.
Of course when people do shit like infinite ammo HBG... Yeah, they need to keep that bullshit to themselves and stay out of multiplayer.
I love how people completely misrepresented their tweet as being against mods when the only reason they spoke about it is because the mod in question was being taken online and corrupting other peoples save files. They never at any point said they were against mods, they said don’t use this specific one online because it can ruin other peoples saves. It’s not hard to just not risk other peoples saves online really. Mods don’t ruin peoples fun, straight up cheating or corrupting saves do
Most of the cheat mods are more akin to controlling the RNG, the mods themselves have the option to "cheat" and make broken stuff but, the people that saw the tweet don't really mod or know how it works so they thought Capcom was referencing all mods which I kinda cringed lol
@@Bechanne_l yeah the responses under that tweet were painful to read. I genuinely just don’t think anyone actually read the tweet before responding(which is typical of twitter) because it was pretty clear what they were saying if they actually bothered to read it
@@Bechanne_l it’s also funny because capcom didn’t even take any form of action against the mod in question, they literally just said “hey, don’t use this mod online because it can ruin other peoples saves!”
@@ninjafrog6966 would you rather them do something drastic like disconnect someone using mods from going online?
Exactly. I came to say this. The title of the video is certainly a bit of click bait and also seems OP has little knowledge on the specific mod(s) for Sunbreak that the tweet is actually referring to. Of course, things that alter quests, armors or weapons directly and to values that are not "legal" should never be used online even if they do not corrupt save files but visual mods are perfectly fine and Capcom knows this
There was a really well known cheater on MHGU that would join your lobby and do stuff like using HBG at super high speed, sometimes it would crash other users and make them lose the save file. Silly mods are fun, but i was never a fan of making up stuff.
I might've met him in MHG, my game never crashed nor my save file corrupted.
@@Toast0nyx Yeah i've heard both. I had a friend of mine that had no issues, but i've also had someone else that their switch crashed and just lost everything about halfway into the hunt
Back in MH4U i stumbled in an loby with a Player who one-hit killed everything.... this was kinda stupid.
@@Chengeist sounds like it killed the experience. At least in my case the guy had the decency to make the fights more interesting. Sometimes he would act as an infinite item dispenser instead of attacking. He also increased his movement speed and somehow reduced his loading zone time.
Mods are fine until they effect the gameplay and experience of other players, changing the game in that is wrong.
I won’t stop you from having a mod that give you better gear easier, let’s you see stats in the monster, etc but the moment you try to tell me the information or use a mod that drastically changes the. Wet game itself that effects me….You’re in the wrong.
I personally do not care if you mod your appearance, mod your charm and augment as long as it's legal, or QOL mods but don't cheat mod to have your stats being attack and defense 9999 and if you do keep it single player
Then what, u use that busted armors and weapons posting on yt or forums doing quests in like minutes then saying 'Im a speedrunner'.
@@dembirdstho9185 you're overexaggerating the impact of augments man, they'll save you maybe 30 seconds-1 minute per monster, even less so if you're a good hunter. Legal augments and charms are fine, they'll only add like 10% more EDPS anyway.
@@dembirdstho9185 well you can easily tell whenever a speedrunner has a lot of skill by their gameplay, discrediting a speedrunner just because they have optimal armor augments or a god charm is really rude and uncalled for, you just make them not want to speedrun because their work is severely downplayed whenever they post a speedrun
@@dembirdstho9185 If you think that having a min-maxed set is all it takes to be a speed runner, you're dreaming.
On the other hand, if you're already a speed runner, the only fair playing fields are "no charm/augments" or "modded charm/augments". The middle ground that relies on RNG ruins the competitive integrity of the community.
I can see why this seems like cheating for someone who plays the game casually and focuses on the immersion and grind. However, I'd ask you to try seeing it from another point of view. For many players, the allure of MH has become the perfect optimisation and execution of scripted/TA/hame runs. These players take pride in shaving time off hunts in any way the game allows and then sharing their improvements. This process elevates other like-minded players, cycling over and over, and continuously raises the skill ceiling of the community.
It might be hard to understand but I'll make a simple analogy. Without those legal talisman and augment mods, it would be like giving all Olympic swimmers flippers, but of various sizes and efficiency. They all just pick a number and get assigned a random pair that might not even fit...
I agree wholeheartedly that using any mods that ignore in-game legality or affect other players should be banned. I can't, however, see any positive that would come from forcing >500,000hrs of gameplay on top players to get min-maxed so they can compete fairly.
@@dembirdstho9185 you talk like everyone can actually speedrun, even if you give a casual a god tier or modded charm they wouldnt be able to get the same time with actual speedrunners lol
Capcom taking a passive stance is exactly what they should've done. There are some people, especially on Steam forums that are constantly arguing that this game should have some kind of anti cheat or that Capcom should disallow modding altogether... But none of those people understand that by taking such measures against this tiny minority of players that most of us never even meet in their games is also going to screw over the vast majority, aka the rest of the players.
If you want a recent example of this just look at VR Chat and how the stupidity of the dev team completely screwed over the entire playerbase simply because they wanted to combat hackers. I'm happy Capcom isn't making the same mistake. Now if only they stopped putting Denuvo in their games too, or at least removed it some time after the game has released...
Why do you even hack vr chat? Isn’t it a sandbox to mess around with friends?
Worldborne denuvo removed after fatalis launch. Risebreak denuvo probably will also removed after last monster update.
Not only you missed the point of the tweet you're comparing oranges to apples, the reason VRchat is still popular is due the extensive customisation it had banning mods is literally killing a massive portion of why people play it while as for MH is the gameplay loop modding was the cherry on top and only after world as wasn't much of a thing in older titles that made it popular.
@@thegameranch5935 Lots of people will go around either forcibly cloning people's custom avatars that were uniquely theirs, maybe they made it themselves maybe they paid for it, or they will go around crashing lobbies for shits and giggles. Some can cause all the loose props on a map to chaotically orbit around a certain person or their choosing. Best part is, that horrible update did nothing to combat the problem. It just neutered the community's ability to use quality of life mods. That issue with hackers remains unchanged.
@@thegameranch5935 malicious assholes who want to ruin others experience with VRC or steal their shit
I've never had issues with modding in any game. If you decide to do any "illegal" modifications like modding in armor, charms, and weapons that are unobtainable through normal means, just keep it to yourself and play either with friends or alone - don't go and ruin other people's experiences. Modding allows communities to make additional content for a game they love and I'm all for it.
How does that ruin other people’s experience? Like killing a monster too fast is a bad thing?
@@DTEVibes yes. I don’t know about you but I actually want to play the game and not have someone 1 shot the monster. What’s the point of building gear and testing new sets if someone is just going to come in and stop me from doing that?
@@SanityPotion776 ah ok. I guess that makes sense. I’m kinda new to Monster Hunter (World/Icebourne), so that why I asked. I do play with mods but only offline.
i did come across a few of those back in mhw iceborne. and tbh, it wasn't that bad because i was hunting a considerably tough monster (raging brachy). rather, it was amusing and funny because he was flinching the monster every few hits. I just considered it a stroke of luck for easy rare monster loot.
@@SanityPotion776 dude one shot stuff never really happened, one player every 10.000 did that, I had 2k hours on iceborne and 500 on Rise and never met anyone like this (I play online a lot). If someone mods legit gear, decos, charms, qurio, etc. just because he doesn't want to farm he ain't ruining anything, you would never know he actually did that, you could think he only farmed a lot. If someone skips the farming he removes hours from his gameplay, not from others, so, unless you talk about people oneshotting monsters with trainers, other stuff doesn't make any sense
I'm glad that their main focus of concern is on game/save breaking mods and events. I play Rise on PC solo just because of the unknown mods someone may bring to the hunt. I also play Rise on my Switch, which is where I focus more my personal skills and the online multiplayer aspect.
But as an NPC enthusiast, I just HAD to get the "Follow Me!" mod. The fact that their damage and health values match that of an actual player WHILE also making the monsters more powerful for balance makes it feel like a true story experience with 4 Followers by my side 💪
Beyond the Follow Me! mod, the only other mods I would use are those that clean up the UI or make the game appear more cinematic. I don't meddle with mods that give god tier charms and perks because I enjoy the grind, just with Fiorayne, Luchicka, and the Twins backing me up with their hunting horns and heavy hitting arsenal 🙌
You have two Rise? I just barely bougth my sunbreak exp for switch. Im not rich, and maybe ill rope myself someday
I like using weapon layering mod. I love cornpopper however considering that we only got 3 lvl 8 shelling gunlances, Cornpopper is the only wide gunlance i use. being able to change the appearance of my weapon is great
I dislike the more silly weapons since it takes me out of fighting something while using a gunlance that looks like a piece of corn to the extend that I gimp my attack by using a weaker wide gunlance. At certain points the silly weapons outright disgusts me.
@@malachilewis96 so dont use them, simple solution
@@BobThePenguin. That is some NA reading comprehension right there.
Person: I use weaker wide shelling weapons instead of the cornpopper because I hate the look of it.
You: So DoNt UsE tHeM, sImPlE sOlUtIoN
They literally just said they don't use the cornpopper and your room temperature IQ response is to tell them to not use the thing they already aren't using.
I'm not mad, just taking the piss out of you for saying something so silly where everyone can see it.
I love the silly weapons, and one thing I love about MH is that it's universe makes space for silly weapons like the corn popper or the origami swaxe or the dango DBs. If all the weapons had silly designs, sure that would be a detriment to the game, but with them being a small minority of designs I think it adds a lot to the character of the game.
@@gamecavalier3230
Best GL is the Canyne lvl 8 Long.
i mod both my talisman and armor augment for survivability, bcs im a boomer and no longer have a good reflexes like i used to, but i still want to play the game and not ruining other people hunt by carting. now if only someone could make a mod that can filters/ auto kick someone with augmented equipment that exceeds like 1 in 20 roll chance, i might finally play online in peace because if i can join and not kicked, that means they allowed it
This is referring a SPECIFIC mod(s) that change the way anomaly quests work, there are some that change the locale, others change the core fundamentals of the monster (like HP, dmg, etc) and some give you anomaly monsters at lower investigation tiers than you were supposed to. These are the mods Capcom is saying could brick your save game; which I can certainly see how they should not be used. Someone may go online and just join a random quest and brick their save without knowingly being in a quest that they could not be by "legal" means.
The rest of the mods? Capcom hasn't said anything about them. On the topic of the armor crafting mods, Capcom should actually think about why are they so popular, perhaps people don't want to spend hundreds of hours on a gambling screen when we could be spending it hunting monsters, you know the actual name of the game?
They should also look at other popular mods like the Follow Me mod where you can take followers on quests beyond surveys, why is that popular? Well perhaps some of us believe followers were the best addition to Monster Hunter ever and would love to have them all the time when we are not playing online, certainly Capcom could include that easier and better maybe. Same with the resize HUD mod, perhaps giving that option to players would be amazing since the HUD looks awfully big when used on a 4K TV. Or the Remove Monster Kill Cam, Capcom can just give us a button hold to skip that stupid animation, easy; it's clear most of us do NOT want to stand there like idiots for 40 seconds or whatever. So many QoL things we get from modding, Capcom should take as a learning lesson
The MH team should really take a look at the most popular mods and consider adding them in some form, or at least consider why they're popular.
It's as you said with the Follow Me mod. People want to play with followers, there's clear demand for it
@@darkhero2 exactly. At least consider why they are so popular. If they don't want to add them to sunbreak at least they are new ideas for the next major installment
You do realize you can skip the kill cam by just pressing the dodge button while it's playing, right?
While it's really frustrating to get the best talismans and qurio crafts, I see it as part of the grind. I definitely dont blame people for modding in the best rolls though because the system is definitely super stingy when giving out anything even worth mentioning let alone material and time costs.
As for cosmetics, I'd love to see Capcom bring back layered weapons especially since it was already on rampage weapons. Any other visual changes are completely harmless and are absolutely fine.
You summed it up pretty well here. As long as it's not affecting people such as playing online with crazy mods, it's fine whether I use them or not. If someone comes in my lobby and one shots monsters, I'd be upset and probably even sell all quest rewards.
Talismans I feel was an acceptable thing since it was getting lucky with 1 thing. I remember getting lucky in GenU with my first G rank Talisman being a tenderizer and mounting, then never using any other one ever since for my play style it was a God Talisman.
But with quruo crafts I feel like it went from a tolerable grind to a slog. Since you now need to get lucky with not just your Talisman, but now 5 pieces of armor. And that's if you stay with the one armor set. Later as new monsters come out with better armors and new metas you're going to have to get that same 5 piece luck every time.
Where I wouldn't mod for perfect Qurio crafting, I am never going to blame people for doing so because the system honestly sucks. This is just the grinding lands again with a loading screen.
@@smeldernivenhoff7902 Yea, the weight on rolls is awful. I don't even mind the rng and grind if it was done better. Especially since like 80% of the skills are not really worth it. Some of them are a "Ehh, it's nice to have", but will get replaced eventually and those skills should be the bad rolls with good skills showing more often.
@@mungolockhart3875 agreed. Like I'm ok making my build around I get instead of min maxing. But oh my the amounts of times I've gotten part breaker on a piece when I already have it maxed, or get something dumb like a small deco slot but minus a level of weakness exploit is redundant. Also the system saying +12 defense is "rare" feels so underwhelming. It's like world treating the hard mushroom-mancer deco as a .02% rare deco that you're "lucky" to get.
I really like mods it makes world life so much larger and adds a lot of fun I don't really think capcom it's mad about the majority of mods they are probably mad at the investigation becouse are corrupting files for people that don't use mods
Mods are great as long as if the user doesn't affect the game for other people because that I agree it's very selfish
I work 40+ hours a week. I don't have the time to farm endless amounts of hunts trying to get that .0001% godcharm or qurio roll. Thats why I mod so I can get the build I want and can enjoy my hunts.
Meh.
So not having those makes hunting not enjoyable?
As someone who did ar grinding normally on switch run and modded on my pc run i can say yes. Because the biggest issue with ar is that it is not fun fighting the same 45 difrent monster 50 times each to get majority of the pieces to find tune your build and the title update monsters expect you to be atleast ar 184 when you fight them so they will indeed blow your head clean off. To get majority of your good decos and finish ar grinding it will take about 150 to 300 hours to do and only about 20% of that is fun due to the risen quest being exciting. Then you get to such a high ar that you have to do missions so difficult that you have to drop entire weapons because they dont have enough damage output to fight anything over 240 solo. @handtomouth4690
Talisman system is really awful, like it needs some revamp were it's not 100% luck, make it 50% getting the right skillset and 50% upgrading the talisman and I could somewhat understand complaints about modding them. That said modding qurio is kinda weird because it's not that bad.
Talismans as of today are still too gacha-like and I don't want to play a gacha when I'm playing monhun, I already play them on my phone lol.
I play the Switch version so sadly no modding. If anything, I just want to change how my weapon designs look. Capcom makes some awesome looking weapons...... but most of these weapons are trash gameplay-wise and that causes players to overlook 80% of the available weapons.
i dont care about mods that lets you generate god tier charm or qurio augments, im a firm believer of skill being the major factor to how good you are at the game, not the gear itself
give a redditor metaslave a god set and he will still 3ple cart
but this thing with modified quest is bad
breaking the goddamn game for yourself and the other just so u can generate 60k prime essence and 69k of each anomaly part is dumb, just play the game lmao
this same goes to like the 9999 dmg and affinity bullshit, dont ruin other people's fun and progress if you want cheat.
I don't like how there are some versions get exclusive content(cough the ps4 exclusive horizon crossover) yet people get mad at mods it's kind of dumb.
I think if you mod a game for your singleplayer experience - go for it, if it makes a game more fun for you!
Going for multiplayer makes it a bit more complicated though. If its only cosmetical stuff that only you yourself see anyways or stuff like a dps meter or visible status buildup on monsters etc that doesnt really impact gameplay itself, that shouldnt be a problem. But going into a random open lobby with stuff like infinte health or super strenght is kinda uncool and unfair to unrelated players imo.
PS: DarkHero, from where is the music you use in the beginning of this video? It makes me feel nostalgic for some reason xD
TL;DW: Capcom's response: "Be wary of potential modded (anomaly) quests. May corrupt your save file"
My modding pretty much stops at killing RNG elements (stats all legal); because I ain't got a Hyperbolic Time Chamber to spend a soulless eternity grinding away in. That fcking nonsense, which is a real cheap way of getting people to keep playing the game (really got that dirty gacha vibe), seriously ruins the experience. So I mod and flip the bird.
RNG should be reserved strictly for the inconsequential, period. All else should be achievable by calculated effort.
Do not mind cosmetic mods, the mid max mods are in a gray area for me depending on the game to for speedrunning fair enough but when people show off their amazing builds like it took them hours to tweak it just right then they just edited in really bugs me, tho the completely broken or impossible stat ones I'm against.
The thing for speedrunners is that they have to install the Qurios Crafting Mod to be competitive. Which would require hacking their Switch if that is their chosen system. Sure, they are a vast minority, but so are people who show off their sets. This system sends all the wrong incentives, even to those that do not intend to do any of that.
@@nestrior7733 They can just make a no Qurios ladder if they have a problem with it. Kind of like the glitchless categories for speed runs.
@@SilverDawnbreak If they decide to do it, great. But somehow I wouldn't be betting on it in a community vote. Biggest chance I see is a rule change for TA and Free Style. But it still depends on what the community decides. I'm not deep enough in the community to make a guess on the general philosophy governing it. Some might want to get the absolute maximum while others would protest against the system as a whole. Will say though that I have seen a speedrun without Qurios Crafting earlier today.
Blame the randomness of qurious and charms.
I like mods, weapon layering is great, qurio augment and charm mods should be fine since they dont have an effect on other peoples safe files as far as i know.
And i think speedrunners as wells as everyone else should be allowed as they are possible results in an unmodded game, even if the chance is miniscule to get those charms and augments.
You still have to use your own time to research your own set, whether thats with mods or without.
I have seen guys with ridicoulusly modded sets that still take over 20minutes for anomaly 70+ mob. Skill is the most important factor in this game at the end.
to me it really depends on how unlikely those results are though. If they're a 1/1billion chance to get, that's not a talisman you would *ever* actually see or get. It's still *technically* possible but not in any way realistic such that it's really fair to cheat in.
I think more recently it's changed, but at one point it was thought to be technically possible to get things like full crit boost or agitator on a qurious craft. Needless to say that's not something any legitimate player would ever actually see.
Having multiple rolls for a chance at something doesn't mean its even remotely possible to get it all of those multiple times. I'm not explaining that the best but hopefully you get what I mean.
@@princetbug well, the game has a system that prevent most illegal charms from existing BUT some barely illegal one can pass, those are the one you speak of, those are illegal charm, so the comment above yours is still right in my opinion
For example, i've seen some 4-2-1 charms going around with 2 skills maxed ( skill like wirebug whisperer or evade extender) but those can't happen with skills like attack biost, agitator, etc... Cause of how the skill tiers are
For the chance to get like, a 3-2-1 jewel with 2 specific skills, it's really low yes BUT not low enough to be impossible to have ( even more if you take into account that one build can use multiple different "god charms" ( for example, you could use a charm that does any of attack boost, weakness exploit or crit boost on any set that use all those skills )
This means that for speed runners, grinding those charms is hard, but not hard, the chance of finding a god charm isn't that low BUT the chance of finding a god charm for the weapon they're using in speedrun is really low, and you can't ask speedrunners to adapt to the charm they get as random rewards like " well you are indeed a bow player BUT you just got your first god charm and it's two skills only usable by switch axe, go change your main weapon"
As for any random player, saying that them having "god charm" impact your gameplay is simply blowing things out of proportion, what's important is the skill of the player, by a very large margin, for your average joe, the diff between a god charm and a medium one is maybe 1 minute in his already 17 minute long run,and for multi that would go down to 20 second ? And maybe one less cart
At worst you can ignore it, at best it can lessen the "that fucking random" effect
Edit : anything i said for charms apply to qurio crafting to
@@chocolatinerevolutionnaire3730 as far as I see it, if the stats they cheat in have at least been rolled by a legitimate player it's at least fair.
Otherwise no, it's not. If the odds of getting something so specific are astronomical enough that it's never been rolled without cheating, then it's not any better than increasing the stats of weapons by any amount that a normal player couldn't increase them.
Obviously it makes little difference in a normal hunt, but cheating is cheating. That's just my stance in general
@@chocolatinerevolutionnaire3730 Fun fact about charms. If you roll 50 anima charms with mp accelerators and write down the results of what each charm was, then quit to title without saving and roll another 50 anima charms but this time used hunts to progress them, you would get the exact same 50 charms as before. If you roll 50 charms of a different type and then melded 50 anima charms to try and see if that affected anything, you'd get the same 50 charms. Charms are set in stone and their skills and slots have already been decided by the game long before you start melding them. If a god charm for your weapon is 500 charms away then you have no choice but to meld 499 charms first before you can get to it.
It's entirely time gated. The only interactivity a player can have with the charm system is dying to rajang in the arena to speed up the process, or mass using mp accelerators to skip the trash charms as fast as possible.
Thank god this isn't an activision game, if it was we'd probably all be buying mp accelerators from the store at 50 for $10.99 USD to skip the time gating instead of just modding it out entirely for free like we are now. At base the system works like predetermined slot machine, but at least it's not preying on gambling addicts to get an extra buck.
@@averythegamer4949 wasn't the table system changed in sunbreak ? to prevent abusing it by manualy changing the table ? if not then farming charms might be easier
but that kinda compel the argument of using mods
honestly in the case of charms, i think the problems isn't really the mods, but the system itself that makes it so attaining god charm isn't really something you can target
for the amount of power they provide compared to the investment needed
there was the exact same thing in world with jewels, i remember that farming for attack jewels for hour without anything, i think the system is far better with charms being RNG, but having such goal items being locked away by pure randomness is a waste
and by waste i mean, you could make a system that require a big amount of farm to try and target charms, easiest implementation would be mats and unique mats that come from monsters at really high rank that allow rerolling stats on your charm and some to "lock" the stats
that approach would be a bit easy honestly, but mix that with, i dunno, safi jiva type of craft, and i think it would be far better
I agree with basically everything you said. I use a couple mods myself, and my stance is "as long as you don't affect other people's experience, it's fine". Personally, I wouldn't use any of the major gameplay-altering mods like the ones that let you get perfect talismans or qurio crafts, since I like that aspect of the game and feel it would make the game less fun to just be handed everything I need. But I understand why people use those and have no issue with other people using them. It's when people start doing things like modding their damage to one-shot every monster and then jumping in online lobbies that I start taking issue. If you want to steamroll the entire game, that's your business, but keep it to solo play. Nobody wants to go into a multiplayer hunt just for it to end as soon as someone touches the monster.
Two points of misinformation:
Capcom doesn't have an issue with cheat mods in general like you stated but rather with some modified afflicted quests that can cause save data issues even for other players who could be completely unaware of having these modded quests.
And if you check the TA wiki speedrunning rules, god talismans can require a screenshot, augments are disallowed.
Using speedruns as a reason to rectify cheating augments is not ok, especially since they aren't even allowed in the official speedrun ruleset.
But I agree with you when you said: Make sure your mods don't affect other players.
Big agree with speedrun point. Even if its RNG, using mods to get your god talismans for speedruns is just another version of the Dream scenario.
@@drebin8477 I am thinking of playing MH on pc just to get op, mess around and do whatever I want. Ive already beat the game on switch and gotten over MR 100. I already have some amazing builds as well.
First Point: I think his point is that the community is and in his personal opinion it is kinda trashy to bring your cheated character online and I believe he just used that tweet to get into the algo and clickbait somewhat by tackling the tweet for 1/20th of the vid.
Second point: TA wiki speedruns aren't the only speedruns.
In my opinion there is no reason to hate on anyone who modded their talisman in existence when they can literally be never lucky enough to get one !with the intention to speedrun!.
If they want to run competitively just let them and don't put a luckspeedbump in their way if they are not the type to play to MR999(and there is a fair chance that even by then they don't get their sought after talisman) before doing anything speedrun related because in the end it's just keeping talent from competing if anything.
Also there is no real "official" speedrun ruleset with the meaning of the word "official". I have seen (and enjoyed) plenty of juiced up augmented armor speedruns.
@@xTKsauce my thing is that I interpret the speedruns with modded charms as similar to the Olympics ruling on steroids to keep it clean and authentic. Sure it's not the greatest example to use here since with hard work you can achieve the same results in Olympics. But moreso the point was keeping the challenge authentic.
But at the end of the day that's just my viewing of it
My opinion: mods that allow you to play the game without tons of grinding or ones that customize the look of the game are fair game. Nobody wants to spend five hours getting a single plate or gem needed for a weapon.
I've seriously considered modding qurio augments. I've tried augmenting the last piece of my gear over 300 times and nothing remotely useful for my build showed up once (not even evade extender or any comfort skills I'd actually want). The system is flawed. And bringing that up usually gets me attacked by members of the community. Players with bad luck are punished by the system. It needs a fix.
See it this way: Qurio augments will only allow you to cram just a few for gems and skills to your build. It will not make a significant change to your DPS, or survivability. The point of this system is to give you a purpose for keeping playing the game. It gives you a goal to achieve so you feel motivated to keep hunting monsters. If you use modded Qurio augments, you will lose that. Is this really what you want? You'll basically ruin the game for yourself.
It definitely needs fixing. This much rng is driving ppl away.
"Punished" is a very strong word here because the amount of difference it makes to hunts is marginal. You aren't required to interact with the system at all, so any improvement you get from it should be seen as a reward. It's not the game's fault if you're making yourself feel bad by trying to go for 0.0000001% odds.
@@Raymoclaus heres the thing if you read the comment you'd know the low chance isn't what I'm aiming for. 300 augments in and I'm not even getting utility skills I want. If you "don't have to interact" with a system then what's the point of it being there? Why have the rng to begin with when something more meaningful could be added? It's a frustrating thing to actually want the little upgrades that tweak the build but get spiritbird call that's already on the build or flinch free that's already on the build for the hundredth time. I want to interact with the system and get something, anything, little and nice but I am being punished by rng for wanting it. When you built every armor you want and every weapon you want there are 2 pieces of content left for progress on your gear charm grinding and augment grinding. To not interact would be to abandon a game I love because 60+ percent of things they release are for that content. It's flawed and needs a fix.
@@Emeraldraven777 "what's the point of it being there?" Here's the thing. If you read my comment you'd know I already answered this. You also answer it yourself by saying it gives you content to play through. The intent of the system is to give the long term players something to do. If you got your perfect gear right away, then it would be flawed.
Mods are fine until they effect the gameplay and experience of other players, changing the game in that is wrong.
I won’t stop you from having a mod that give you better gear easier, let’s you see stats in the monster, etc but the moment you try to tell me the information or use a mod that drastically changes the game itself that effects me….You’re in the wrong.
Lol capcom i have been modding your game since ps2 era 😂
Singleplayer only
I use only 2 mods:
- One that shows a DPS meter on the UI.
- One that spawns a Prism Spiribird at the start of each quest.
I really dislike the spiribird mechanic, but I have taken a lot criticism for using this mod, even though all it does is save 2 minutes running around the map for no real reason
Purists can be extremely stupid...
It's because there is a vanilla skill that allow you to get full spiritbirds during the fights.
Also it's not necessary to get full spiritbirds, even in the most difficult fights the buffs you can prepare are enough.
In the end you're just triggered because you're not fully optimizied at the beginning of the fight, which is equally stupid.
@@Benjy68Kill Couldn't you become fully optimized almost immediately in previous games by using an Ancient Potion? Or am I incorrect about that? If I am correct, is THAT stupid?
For the augmentation mods, it is usefull. The gatcha system in MHR Sunbreak is frustating, just like you said, it takes re-rolling for hundreds of times and i've tried it before, i spent hours just to re-rolling augmentations just to get better skills or better jewel slot upgrades. So, i was like "f**k this s**t, i'm visiting nexus!".
Yeah its true lmao. First i tried 5000 pcs of augment mats. Trust me. Those items are not enough and will never be enough to get what you want. I didnt get any decent skills LMAO.
so i manually mod it to get specific skills T___T
What mod do you recommend, I gave up after 100 tries on augmentation for my jaggi arms
@@civilvaril1181 But i warn you, do not use the last option to build a very overpowered & illegal build and use it online. Some people may know.
@@evjohn93 nah fam I want a legal charm like wex 2 or foray ,
"Rise data editor", "Qurious". Read the descriptions.
I've never modded a game, but the moment I found out some Collab Skins weren't available anymore I literally started searching on this topic.
I'd only mod for aesthetic/cultured reasons, and probably UI. Modifying stats isn't my thing, I did it for MegaMan Legends with the GameShark but not anymore because I'm a masochist now xD
Since many people seem to fail to understand how this works and what Capcom actually means, let me hit you up.
MHWorld and MHRise have a very basic "anti cheat" function on pc. The legal system. Basically the game is incredibly easy to mod and change values and other parts of it to your own pleasure. However, the game has a check list of everything that is legal in terms of values. Stats, quests, charms, decorations, etc. Anything here that is not considered legal by the list will get flagged in the game. This is why there is specifically a mod out there for giving you really strong but still legal charms, because they don't get flagged and they don't mess up with anything when playing online. Same goes for everything else. Mods recently have come out for manipulating the qurio system to make quests that the game considers illegal. Problem is that unlike equipment or stats, illegal quests can flag the entire lobby as being illegal and corrupt the saves.
The team has literally no way to do anything to remove legal mods from working even if they wanted to. The framework of the engine just isn't built for it. However my guess is they will make it so when your stuff is flagged as illegal, it will not allow u to go online permanently or until whatever flagged ur save as illegal is gone.
They could have picked a better terminology for it than "Legal/Illegal." All the time of this video I was thinking to myself, "It's my copy of the game. How is any mod considered illegal?" But I guess it's just their pre-coded hard cap limits. It's kinda confusing.
The file city day theme... i did not expect to hear this on a MHRise video
In MH4U you could create custom quest with custom rewards and post those hacked quest in online lobbies, I had a friend that created really good custom quest, things like fighting a really tiny akantor and ukanlos and the same time, a boss rush of the 2d gen elder dragons called "dragons unite", fight a massive great jaggy with ridiculous stats called "attack of the great jaggydrome". Qustom quest can be a really fun and challenging experience if you use them correctly.
There was a really excellent Steamworks mod I used for Iceborne that rebalanced the grind for rarer jewels. It cut the grind in half I’d say. I like those kinds of mods because I just don’t have time, but I don’t want a mod that just lets me buy them for 1 zenny either. I don’t feel like I cheated, but I understand the argument.
I’m glad Capcom doesn’t seem to be opposing those mods that make grinding easier, not yet anyway!
Steam Deck user for MHRise. One of the main reasons I've looked into mods is because of Capcom/Nintendo's refusal to let me transfer my progress from Switch to Steam. For some games, this isn't necessarily a deal breaker. But when you're talking about a grind-focused game like Monster Hunter, which you can easily sink hundreds of hours into, I find it reprehensible that they won't let us keep that progress on a stronger platform. Even CDProjekt Red created save data transfer for Witcher III between platforms.
So, skin mods I don't have an issue with; make the game look cool for your tastes. And when it comes to mods that edit your inventory, I don't always find it okay if you're trying to cheapen the experience. But, there are certainly situations where they are understandable, even on better moral grounds than the developer's arguments against.
if it means stuff like modding Tonfa's back into the games
am all for mods
i personally like fashion related mods because they let me make my character hotter and such (yeah, i deserve horny jail, heard it already).
but i will never go as far as play modded quests and get myself unobtainables as they are actually gonna ruin my game just as much as other people's as i am not adept in game modding, which basically leaves me with mod loaders and mod libraries to work with if i want to mod something in fashion wise.
Honestly, this issue AND the general response by the majority of the casual side of the community just makes me *hate* (yes, it's gotten to the point where I actually hate it) them.
Casual elitism was something I rarely experienced in MH before. Now that it's here, it's ruining my experience even if I don't use modded talismans and augments.
It's a symptom that Rise and Sunbreak is diseased with gacha elements and an audience that tolerates or even praises gacha elements. The grind was fine for the old school talisman system because not every skill point mattered, it's about hitting the benchmarks (usually +10, +15, or +20) for it to have a single impact. Now, to me, it feels like the franchise I loved is slowly looking like one of my most hated thing in the world: a mobile gacha game.
i think their stance changed
before it was more of a oy backup your saves you may lose em if you mod.
Now it's: I HATE ALL THE MODS *DELETES MODDED UA-cam VIDEOS*
everthing beyond Visual is Cheating Capcom intended that everyone has different gear so people don't run around with the same stuff it's about variety and that is what it makes fun
it's really boring when everyone has the same exact stats the RnG is what keeps the endgame alive
everybody thinks he is a speedrunner ... just have fun with the game
You should make a follow up to this video cause capcom just gave parameters to what "Illegal anomaly quests" are.
Since everyone and their mother is too stupid to read a video might have them stop spreading misinformation.
They never said stop making mods or they are against it, it's that there are specific mods that break's the game's internal rules for anomaly investigations and that their spread to other people's games can brick their games with out them knowing.
i have the mod that reduces/takes away hit effects i literally cannot see a small monster like izuchi in a anomaly quest its like visual hit effect pinata
Isn't that also just a setting?
There are already settings which let you reduce the hit effects from yourself and your allies even further. Your own hit effects can be reduced to 50%, and from your allies reduced down to 25%.
There are literally settings in game for that my guy. The mod is not required
i know of the setting and its not enough for me
My personal favorite mods are monster mods like mhw white fatalis. Seeing people bringing back old monsters or making a whole new monster is so awesome
Another thing this was actually something that happened back in MH4U as well, but for the most part most players that did this were respectful enough to keep the missions to themselves and wouldn't bring others into it unless they personally requested to join that quest with the person, I did it a few times as well but same thing I only did it for myself or whoever requested and only those who requested to join I would start the modified quests for
mods that allow me to not spend 100 hours into a gacha machine (yes, armor augment, talismants), sorry, but i must take them
I play on both pc and switch. My main save is on switch we’re i play with mates and spend the most of my time. On pc I dick around with a few mods, mostly visual or QoL, including talisman and qurious augment mods, purely so that I don’t have to spend as much time as I did on switch grinding out materials talismans and augments etc
I mod the game too but never use anything that can affect another person save. Everything I've used is client side only
Only mods I use are auto-dango and the max spirit birds. Both are for cutting down my time doing tedious activities for hunts. I don't use them for speedruns, I use them just to get into a hunt quicker.
Honestly wish they made auto-eat before hunt, a thing.
I personally don't have a problem with perfect roll RNG stuff. That's silly to scorn this. I've played 200 hours on MHR on the switch and I have barely gotten a semi-good talisman. Now that I've moved to the PC - I really don't want to sink another 200 hours into RNG.
I agree that altering the game's mechanics and damage is not cool (Or at least not in open random multiplayer lobies), however mods that remove RNG elements are A-Ok in my book.
If you want your talisman to feel "Earned" go for it. I have a full time job and a life to live
That's how i feel about it. I only use mods for layered weapons, armor, and to change the music. Oh and to get good charms. Spent over 300 hours farming them on switch with no luck. (Yeah not doing that again)
Speedrunners shouldn't get hate for modding talismans and augments, but it is kind of a shame that switch players can't really join the speedrun community since modding on switch is so difficult
Exactly why rng needs removing.
speedrun leaderboards for switch and pc are separated
@@hanwick468 ahh yes.. divide the community more. Just what we need.
@@hanwick468 idk how you think that's a good thing
didn't say it was, I was just replying to your statement about how switch community can't join speedrun. And currently, both platforms are separated. I'm not implying anything, just stating what's the current situation.
I hear that Digimon World background music Dark. I hear it and appreciate the nostalgia rush.
Mods are supposed to be fun. If your mods are ruining others' experience, stop using it.
That's why you keep it to your self.
im not gonna lie, I use several mods that allthough they don't brake the game they give me the benefits to slot in a huge amount of skills into my sets.
The reason ?
Because I always wondered what the theoretical max game values could be having every good skill in the game (back in world)
I came from world playing it on ps4 (so no mods no game brakes all pure legit skill*)
when rise came about I thought to my self, do I want another grind fest or do I want a sand box...
So I decided if it comes to console I'll play it legit else if it releases in pc I'll sandbox it.
So in the end play however you want but if you cheat keep it to your self and don't go online or play with your friends if they are ok with it.
*I still consider myself a noob at world :p
MH4U has a similar problem, because there is a breach that allow players to easily modify event quests, it's called "Custom Quest" and while it was funny at start, people started to cheat with it, managing to make custom quests that looks like regular quests, but changing the hunter rank to 999, giving max money, max points and unobtenable stuff. So they could destroy your save if you were not making anough attention, there was also player with end games armors at rank 1 and weapons with 20000 elements and status which would make any monster die in no time.
Can someone tell me what the song is towards the end? its driving me crazy!! Edit: Its Kingdom of Uraya from XC2
I though mods were considered overlay modifications which don't affect game mechanics, but modifivations affecting core game mechanics like cheating was a form of hacking the game?...
ive played monster hunter when i was a kid. I've had friends who has cheat engines in their psp so that they can have max money, points, items and such. for me, it took away the joy of hunting. i get that it's frustrating to not get the rare item you hunt for for a couple of hunts. but finally getting it after your 500th time hunting a rathian, the ecstasy you get. it gives you the joy because you literally worked hard for it. on the ds, i've seen boastful pricks in multiplayer online that the toughest monsters are a piece of cake, only to find out that their 3ds' were homebrewed and has cheats in em. doing one hits to elder dragons and such. those kinds of modifications sucks tbh. it takes away the joy of the game. it takes away the joy of monster hunter. graphical mods are okay, but mods that are literal cheats are a pest for me. i hope everyone could understand. this is my opinion to mods/hacks/cheats thats been there for awhile now.
It's the MH4U Custom Quest scenario all over again. Back then you could create your own quest and it was so stupid easy too. From making a World Eater Deviljho Quest to making a Vs 2 Baby Deviljho quest, it was fun. Really looked like people could make their own event quest since you could also choose what items and rewards people got. That's where the problem began. First it was "Hey, please create a hard quest but make the rewards some thing amazing like mantles etc". That was fine. Created one shot quests where monsters would destroy you if you were not prepared but the rewards were worth it. Then it turned to "I lost my save data (That shit happened alot to people during my 4U days, it was serious IMO), could you please create a Low Rank quest where I can get specific parts for a build I used to run?" They gave proof that they did lose their save and so I did it. Got people what they needed . But then it devolved into "Man, the grind is too much. Please create a Low Rank quest with these mantles in the supply box and these rewards at the end"
That's when I knew that it was time for me to retire from Custom Quest making and 4U in general. TLDR, Mods are mods. It doesn't matter what they are but it's how you choose to use them. I don't believe Capcom should ban people using mods but ban those who are using mods to get an advantage, at least online. I saw someone one shot a Malzeno in one of my hunts before and funny enough no one besides him carved it. Ugh sorry for the banter, it's just shit like that, that ticks me off
I have a mod for match making since the game has such trashy match making lol
if the mods doesnt disrupt other people's games, i have no problems with it. Use cluster ammo as base for this, it pushes people back so dont use it near people. Same thing with the disruptive mods
if it wasnt for mods i would give up on half my PC games cause mod makes the game fun or increase its longevity after all i care about a games enjoyment not showing off :I and it isnt hard for a game to get stale fast unless you have a nice static of friends to play with otherwise mods for me :P
If the mods are just changing the models to something hilarious, i can see them supporting and having a good laugh over it. But if it flat out completely changes ur stuff like giving u a million mantles, i believe they would hate it
since there is no way to view a multiplayer quest before you join - especially using the random feature - how do they expect players to be wary of modded quests? afaik, you can't see quest specifics before you join a quest.
Dear Capcom if you wanna control the modding scene, give us a REAL multiplayer infrastructure so you can control the allowed mods. Since you don t care, why we should? PS. PS NOBODY likes RNG crafting. Sincerily, from a PS2 era Monster Hunter player
Yes, why should we care about ruining other peoples saves? They’re not going after your precious mods, they’re telling people not to use one specific mod online(custom anomaly quests) because it can corrupt other peoples save files
@@ninjafrog6966 guess what with a REAL multiplayer infrastructure your save files are on a server and they can control mods and integrity files. Sounds cool right? almost like a 2022 online game
And thats why many people think the game is bad. No. Not the mods. The rng of the talismans and the new curio crafting. The moment i stop having fun fighting monsters and start thinking it of a endless grind then i quit the game. Would i use mods that just give me the gear? I think not. If i was only playing singleplayer then maybe ... but i do enjoy jumping into a random game and playing with other people. Its better to just quit.
"But ... but the other games in the series were the same if not worse" - yeah well just because youre used to the shit on your plate doesnt mean that i want that. If fans wont push for something better then you wont get it.
What do you think would be a good endgame that keeps players coming back then?
As a long time Dark Souls veteran I COMPLETELY understand adding shit from different games 😂😂
They should allow custom lobbies, similar to ageofempires 2
My favorite mod for mhw was one that swapped the greatsword model to the buster sword from FF7. Certified banger mod.
I have absolutly no problem with visuals mods. But every thing that alters the core gameplay i am against.
I think mods are something that the PC community have grown accustomed to and the second a Dev says no more mods then I here "oh come on its a PvE game." But the counter point to that is that it is not how the game was intended to be played and balance was achieved through their building the game. Especially if what you are doing impacts the game for those who are not modding. If people could remain ethical and only do visual mods then fine whatever but that has not been the case for Rise. as far as the speed run stuff goes: If you are speed running then set a standard for the armor you use. most of the time Speed runs for games have self inflicted requirements to have the run counted. that same principal could be applied.
I don't give a damn about what anybody else thinks about mods. Some games are dull, ugly, or live and dies by rng. And handheld mh has always been a host to all three issues. Now it can be fixed by the community and those not involved can shut the hell up. And the palico and palimute can't die so get rid of their health bars, because I don't care about them at all. They die and they come back so get rid of that clutter
Wow very aggressive about this huh.
I feel like you skipped over a more gray area of mods, being the mods that give you extra harvests (ex, x5 drops on honey, herbs, etc.) or even just straight up let you give yourself the max amount of any consumables.
While they don't give you ridiculous amounts of damage, or vise vera like other types of cheat mods, I feel like they can be argued for and against.
Some people might say it's just cheating in items, so they should be banned, but I personally l think they're fine.
It's a similar situation to the curious/armour augments. Some people just bought the game for the combat, not hours and hours of grinding out consumables. While it's not ridiculous and RNG-based like the curious/augments, it's time-consuming, and adds up. You gotta keep in mind, there's all kinds of people out there, and quite a few of them probably don't have the time to spend on that, so they look for mods to skip over it.
if your playing single player games ALL mods are fine, multiplayer games only use "skin mods and ui/hud changes".
if you want to play with cheats you should do it by yourself, nobody else will play with you.
which is why i only play single player because
1: i have nobody else to play with.
and
2: i like to use nsfw mods and risking that around streamers or kids is not ok.
@6:06 exactly
i like dead islands way of handling mods.
skin mods etc (you can play with friends).
mods like "one punch" *even when installed by the devs themselves* (your playing solo and locked out of multiplayer until mod is unchecked)
mostly because I have no friends.
but also I just like being by myself not hearing constant chatter of other people who join the lobby by random.
everyone I see doing TA speedrun got attack 3 spareshot lv2 321 slot that's kinda sheeesh
I personally modded my PC World save to have Dante’s sword look like Malos’s Monado from Xenoblade 2, and modded the Dante Layered armor to make it look a bit better to me. Aside from a few mods that made grinding easier, allowing me to customize to my hearts desire, that’s all I did. I think modding is fine as long as you aren’t one shoting shit like Safi-Jiiva, because grinding can take very long especially if you’re unlucky, and some people prefer how modded armor looks.
I mostly use Cosmetic Mods but i used a Save Edit on the PC Versions of Iceborne and Sunbreak JUST to get everything i already farmed on my Console saves because my Friends play all on PC and we dont have Crossplay or Cross save.
I support a "play the way you want to" perspective. If it makes it more fun for you? go for it. But don't just drop into multiplayer and ruin someone's hunt :(
Custom quests cant be hosted online unless all players have the same mod/quest installed. I played many custom quests with friends and we are all fine. Cant say about the investigations because I dont use that.
Yes, investigations are what they’re referring to, and you don’t have to have the mod to get them, which as capcom noted, can corrupt their saved
@@ninjafrog6966 for investigations u dont for custom quests u do which is the issue. Innocent people join without knowing.
As long as it doesn't disrupt other people experience I am personnaly okay with mods. I have myself two mods, one that I think is broadly accepted by the community is the dps-meter mod, I can just not talk about the numbers if my squad doesn't want to know about the stats and in the parameters I didn't activatr the total life of the monster : I don't know when it is going to die.
But I have another one which can be a little bit controversial, the spirit bird mod. It gives you a big spirit bird at each start of any quest.
I took this mod because I think that jumping around collecting inflated hummingbird gets old pretty quickly and ruins the dynamic of the game as well as eating 3minutes each time when you don't have the perfectly optimised path.
I think it is kinda cheating but at the same time it makes the game much better in my opinion...
What do you think? Is it too much according to you?
If monsters were virtually impossible to fight without spiribird buffs then I could empathise. They do make a noticable difference, but not taking them just adds a bit of extra risk. That's my take on it anyway. I'd very much like an official armour skill that starts you off with spiribird buffs. Something like Lv1/2/3 giving 20%/50%/100% of max buffs from the start of the hunt.
@@Raymoclaus I wouldn't have installed this mod if such talent existed. Do you mean that you would mind that someone with this particular mod joined your quest?
@@ATNdu85 Personally, yes. It makes hunts faster, giving an unfair advantage over non-mod players. But I think a lot of people would feel the opposite way because I see a lot of comments of people being tired of collecting spiribirds.
If the mod also forced you to sit in camp for a couple of minutes, then I suppose that would mitigate my concerns.
@@Raymoclaus Alright I understand your point.
I’d say use whatever you want offline, but I do think a little bit of common courtesy should be employed online. Like I would probably never use modded sets online simply because I know people don’t want you to use those sets in general when hunting with them, which I’m perfectly fine with doing. If someone doesn’t want me to use modded sets, even if they’re still technically legal to the game itself, I have no issue respecting the request and using sets I obtained legitimately in game. It’s just common courtesy, and I honestly don’t have a whole lot of respect for people that try to argue with others about it. If the people you’re hunting with don’t want those sets to be used in their lobby, don’t use them
I downloaded what is essentially a save file modifier. I felt I had to do that because despite many people asking for it in World, they decided to not put crossplay in Rise, saying near the end of development that they wouldn't have time to put it in. Personally I think this is bull. Therefore, when my friend bought me a copy of Rise to play with him on PC after already getting to anomally quests on Switch, I decided I'd make it as easy as possible for myself to get back to where I was (I still need to go through and do story quests to unlock HR and MR, I can just do it with better gear). When I get there, I will essentially copy my save from Switch (make my item box the same 1 item at a time, make all the same gear, set my zenny, points, HR, and MR to be the same, etc) and then delete the mod. I don't want to have to do this, but because they decided that either they didn't care about what the fans wanted or they wanted to be cheap and make people buy the game multiple times, I felt I was entitled to this decision. I understand that it could potentially ruin my save file if I mess something up, but that's a risk I'm willing to take to not have to slog through the early game stuff and all the farming I did again. (Also, I specifically didn't join any multiplayer fights until I could legally acquire the gear I was using, so I didn't mess up anyone else's hunts inadvertently.)
That’s not what it’s about, they are talking about people going online with modded quests that when other people(who don’t have the game data for the modded quest) complete the quest and break their save because their save file has data for a quest that their game has no reference for
As a nintendo switch player I do not have the option of modding but as for the crafter issue I do not know if pc has access to save scumming to "cheat" armor crafter as well
I just want a dang cross play account merge
Okay, I'll admit to using cheat mods once or twice, but I didn't ever do it with Rise. To me, the only mods I have used were to change the look of my weapons and get layered armor sooner. I never really cared about doing extreme damage, I only cared about having fun. Even in World, I had one cheat mod that had the boomerang one shot, but I only really used it against annoying monsters who I wasn't even tasked with hunting (and Kirin, but that MLP reject deserved it.) To me, cheat mods ruin the fun of the game and just makes it rather boring.
Would be nice to have He-Man and She-Ra. Palamute can be Cringer for He-Man, and Switft Wind for She-Ra.
Using the Digimon world PSX bgm is a nice touch. kudos! Brings back the good old memories from when I was playing it when I was a little kid.
4u had issues with people arguing over whether custom quest creation was shameful blasphemy after 3-4k hours of vanilla gameplay. most people just wanted to mix and match interesting combinations of monsters for special encounters to share with friends. i never ran into any cq that broke the game or granted unreasonable materials or resources yet people raged all over social media at anyone even modifying the 3ds to do things like stream without spending hundreds of dollars and shipping ur 3ds off to japan for months for hard mods that hold up for a week in the summer heat, or the super controversial act of wanting to backup your saves.. people just looking for a reason to feel superior to the next guy by being capcom ass kissing purists.
I use both a killcam disabler (so the camera doesn't go above the monster when you finish a hunt, that always disoriented me) and a mod that unlocks all daily dango. For the latter, I was really agitated that at times, the daily dango would sort of want to dictate what kind of hunt I was going on. Before I found the mod, I felt like every time Berry Safe would show up I was being pushed to do something difficult, or when Hap-peanut would appear I was being pushed to grind for parts. The game became less fun because of my obsession with trying to do everything as efficiently as possible, and my plans for my next hunt might have to be thrown out when the daily dango was really good for something else. That's partly my fault, but finding out about and installing that mod really helped me stop stressing about it, so I can hunt at my own pace. I don't want RNG to entirely dictate what I do. Luckily the other major RNG elements don't cause too much distress, but I have a lot more time to spend than most people do.
I definitely wouldn't blame someone for using "cheat" mods to get rare monster drops or the optimal talismans for their builds, especially if they are either speedrunners or they just really don't have a lot of time to spend grinding. People have lives, and cutting down on the time you have to spend on the grind isn't bad. I'd definitely encourage trying to do SOME grinding if at all possible, since that's part of the core experience of Monster Hunter, but in the end, it is not my choice and it doesn't affect me.
The only mods I would say are "bad" are the ones that negatively impact other players. If you show up in a hunt and just one-shot the monster for example, that takes the fun of the hunt away from everyone else (unless you're with a bunch of friends and they're all okay with that happening). But using a ridiculous damage mod in solo play won't impact others. Will it take the fun away from the player themselves, yeah I'd say so. Is it contrary to the whole idea of Monster Hunter, yeah almost certainly. But I don't think it's morally wrong.
I agree with this, but I also use the spirit bird and wirebug (its unlimited till you are against the monster) mods, because I hate the fact that you need to get birds to up your health and Stam, and wire bugs out side of the fight are fun to use to check other things out or get somewhere faster, I do use a few like he/you have said no not the damage one because that is just dumb, but I'm not a speedrunner but I do try my best for the fasten my time, I only play with me and my friends, and they know I have them and have them there selves because they're the same way, but if I do try to do a actual speed run, I do turn them off because I don't want people to act like I was cheating, I've also put over 400 hours in it, in just 2 months off of and on.
As far as the qurio-type mods go, I don't think it's simply about the speed runners. They may be a big part of it, but some people also get really freakin' bored rolling gear 30+ odd times just to get a desirable result. RNG in games is generally bull crap, put in to pad out the experience for lack of actual content. At _best_ it's slightly amusing, and at worst it's straight up abusive. It's not always the speed runners who mod for extra efficiency. Sometimes the grind is just blatantly unreasonable.
Random augmentations is just a very bad design and is disrespectful of players valuable playtime, MH Rise endgame is even worse than MHW endgame.
At least capcom will not take any measures against people who just want to enjoy the game as they want.
Client side mods are fine, but mods that affect the gameplay for other people aren't. I played almost every MH game, since Freedom, including P3rd. Some of us want to suffer a little when we hunt monsters, so keep your hacked stuff you didn't earn in private lobbies. Nothing worse than seeing someone have cracked out gear from monsters they haven't even farmed.
that last bit you mentioned is what has been putting me off rise since release personally. I understand RNG is needed for replayability but could they atleast leave the option to just grind for the necklace you need even if it was alot to grind for. World did this so much better. Cuz atleast the steamworks wasn't really necessary and was just a mini game for extra mats which hell thanks! but the gem RNG has to go.
Mods are fine as long as it doesn't affect other people's games. Stuff like texture or UI mods are safe and it only affects you even during online but when you start tweaking the in game numbers, the core gameplay, the rng which may be fine as long as you play it only offline and turn it off after you're done with it. But if you bring that shit online, thats gonna bring problems
I have nothing against people using mods as cosmetics, bringing skins from other games or previous generations or just being goofy for fun. Altering anything in game that affects how the game is played like dmg, odds, rolls, missions is just cheating though, you can't be like "I've used mods to get perfect stats/skills on item to keep up with the rest" that's just cheating, even if you think the system is bullshit
The thing with modders, is that they always get carried away and then shit like this happens.
The point is that you can't filter the type of mod you're using. I think Capcom should improve and anticheat barrier when you go online, so that it's impossible for these people who have any kind of mod to ruin your gameplay
I agree, as long as your mod is not something that is for cheating, it should be fine and allowed. But, if you are using something that allows you to just one shot monsters, please don't use it in multiplayer. And any mod that would be disruptive to other players in some fashion are a no go outright. The only mods I see as something that should always be fine are cosmetic ones, such as something that turns the appearance of one armor to another, as these mods actually have no real game play affects and other players, unless they are modded themselves, won't notice a thing as cosmetic changes are strictly client based and will not be represented for other players..
I agree, but I do think there should still be some common courtesy when hunting with other people. Like personally if I used modded sets, I would probably not use them online and instead opt to use sets I obtained legitimately in game if the people I’m hunting with simply request I don’t use them and instead use legitimate sets. I have no issue adhering to that if it’s what the people I’m hunting with want. It’s a very simple request that I do think should be respected
What would be incredible is if the Monster hunter devs made a game mode for making a character that is restricted from any online play, and tailored some of the augmentation mechanics to remove rng so that speedrunners have an easier time doing speedruns without the need of uploading mods to change how augments work
cheating in multi is always unnaceptable, but it's not about mods, it's about cheating.
on mh world, i have reported about 3 guys that i caught cheating in multiplayer. i saw my fair share of people with qol/comfort cheats, that i didn't bother with since it only really affects them. people with infinite sharpness (which can be achieved with some armor skills anyways), people who magically had slinger ammo they couldn't have, people who had infinite ammo/coatings on range weapons, i don't care it's only about their (unfair) comfort. but i also saw some guys who would join a fatalis hunt through session or sos, and put it at 1 hp by throwing a rock. because i have a damage graph of all players from an ui mod, i noticed a guy dealing 200dps with suboptimal build and gameplay on shara ishvalda. for reference, against that monster the hbg pierce players have 130-140dps during first phase. and he was dealing those impossible damage the entire time, making the hunt insanely short and having the monster flinching non-stop. that was a player's first time hunting that monster, and that will be his first impression of succeeding that hunt.
I would say I'm also against the use of mods that give you desirable armour augments. It's not like the game ever requires you to augment to progress, and augmenting doesn't drastically reduce difficulty so I can't even call it an accessibility mod. It's a small modifier that gives some people an incentive to keep playing, whether that be to slightly improve your damage, or just to show off an impressive armour skill list, but at no point is it required or even optimal for progression. If you don't want to grind, that's ok because you're not missing out on much. It's your weapon that matters the most anyway, and there's no RNG augments there.