Taking a page out of Agassi's book against Kucera at the US open 1998. Or a page out of Kucera's book. Kucera kept re-doing the toss against Agassi during that match, so Agassi got pissed and use the same tactic against Kucera, making him taste his own medicine. Swiatek's re-tossing was completely justified lol
Putinseva is awesome. No, she'll never win a major nor even crack into the top 20, now she's closer to retirement. But she's been a fireball of a player. In her career she's been way more interesting and entertaining than ninety percent of all players on the tour. The sport needs personalities like Yulia.
Unless there's anything prohibiting it, I think it's a clever strategy. It must exhibit mobility and not hindrance. If it's a problem the rules should more clearly define it. "Can the receiver move during a serve in tennis? A player may change position at any time, including while the server is tossing a ball. Any other movement or any sound that is made solely to distract an opponent, including, but not limited to, waving arms or racket or stamping feet, is not allowed." "Can you move before the serve in tennis? There is no rule about this. In fact you will notice that a lot of the top players have moved a great deal before the server has actually hit the ball."
Learn to inform yourself before saying anything. "A player may change position at any time, including while the server is tossing a ball. Any other movement or any sound that is made solely to distract an opponent, including, but not limited to, waving arms or racket or stamping feet, is not allowed." And before you say "Uhhh, ohh, but it say a player may change position"" NO. A player may change position for a return, but is not allowed to move in an deliberate manner to distract the opponent
Were we not expecting Putintseva to act like that? You must have not seen her before. I expected nothing better from her. She just didn’t want a bagel and decided to play unfair to avoid it. It’s whatever, as long as Iga wins.
This is nothing compared to the intentional screamers who scream even in slice balls. Screams come AFTER they hit so the opponent is distracted. Many top WTA players, including the excellent Sabalenka do it. On men’s tour there are many as well, but not in top 10
Ostapenko doing pretty much the same but without jumping lefr, right, she jumps on one place & scratching the court with her sneakers. It's also annoying.
You are all idiots, there are no rules saying the receiver has to stand still and watch the serve go by. Be sensible. Obviously the receiver can jump about move wherever they want. Get over yourselves, Osapenko has shown how easy it is to beat Swiatek on every meeting and she certainly is not cheating or acting like a monkey at the net as Swiatek did against Osapenko.
i don't know the rule, but it seems to me a returner should be able to jump around all they want. in the long run, it would only hurt their returning percentage.
You can generally move around in a consistent way, but you can't do it like she was doing it at the beginning of clip. You can't create a distraction right when a person is about to hit. It's like playing pool, and everytime you are about to hit, the person does something.
@@davidhale8034 it’s so obvious that her movements weren’t for the intention of getting into position for the serve. She was jumping erratically to create noise and visual disturbances. That’s hindrance. You’ve no brain cells.
Putinseva didn't appear to break the hindrance rule, but it was obvious she was attempting to throw off Swiatek's serve....all perfectly legal but seems to indicate that she had no confidence in her ability to beat Iga.
why the hate towards Putintseva? saying players aren't allowed to move during the serve is dumb. Federer basically ran up to the net on opponent 2nd serves
Putintseva jumped around on two points total, and got a warning from the umpire. No big deal, and not worth "Cheating" in the title. I'm no fan of Putintseva, but this is blown way up.
Actually, she didn't get a warning, chair umpire just told her to stop - Anyway, I agree, it is more a desperate move, a signal to the opponent that you have no good answer.
For moving around as a returner, Sampras did something similar at Wimbledon vs Agassi. Didn’t matter bc Agassi was serving great. Someone find the rule book but I think the rule is that you cant make noise while moving.
if that is "cheating" then I'm afraid that "true sportsmen" are toxic to the sport of tennis, since when a legal move is made by a player to play to the best of his abilities within the rulebook, it can only benifit the sport. If a move is declared damaging to the sport the rulebook may change to treat it differently. A true sportsman, I say, is one who plays within the rulebook and to the best of his abilities
I just don't see it as a form of cheating. If players are supposed to get used to fans milling around to their seats after every game, the opponents feet shuffling shouldn't be such a big deal.
This isn't cheating, but could be seen as unsportsmanlike. A lot of people will do something like this to try to turn a match. You might as well go after Federer for his "SABR" with the same argument.
I think the commentators are wrong. What she is doing isn't illegal. However, if she was purposely stomping her feet or screeching her shoes or tapping/waving her racquet, then those things could be deemed a distraction.
Honestly Putintseva wasn’t doing anything different that the men don’t do in their matches! It’s just because it’s Putintseva was playing Swiatek she was complaining! Swiatek has a very slow motion when she serves so I can’t see Putintseva distracting Swiatek when she serves! Swiatek was complaining because she was losing the game against Putintseva & we all know how Swiatek hates to lose!
I used to play a lot and I would move prior so that the server didn't plan the shot location based on my position. I'd never heard you can't move. I would be in constant movement so that you can react quicker. No one ever called me out for it. Also, my intention was not to distract, but to be more prepared and not let the server know where I will be. Interesting comments from the announcers.
You jumped around? Why? The only intent of jumping around right before the service is to throw off the server. It absolutely does not help a returner's positioning. This is very different behavior from a returner's normal pre-serve movement. I would like to stand real deep and gradually creep forward prior to my opponent starting his service. I did this to keep loose. My routine was completely unnoticed by the server, as it should be.
@@PeacefulPariah My moving around is as you describe too. I even mentioned it by being in constant motion to be able to react better. Seriously you took what I said, said you do the same and then say I'm distracting yet you aren't. Seriously! I serve based on where I think I have the best chance. So I consider where the receiving player will be on my serve. Left right front back all the same and it's not to distract but to keep them guessing to where to serve. Why do players hide their drop shots. So is it a distraction because the receiving player doesn't know where the ball will go? Why doesn't the server tell the receiving player where s/he will be serving. Sorry, don't agree that it's a distraction. Deception. Which is part of the game.
@@PeacefulPariah Nonsense. All players who are taught properly are taught to split-jump. That's jumping. This is jumping that, if the server was looking, would be noticed by said server. And it occurs before the ball has been hit, or just as it's being hit. And all good tennis players do it. It most definitely _does_ help a returner's ability to move more quickly in response to the eventual direction of the serve. I suggest you look it up before continuing . . .
Putintseva was fine. There is no rule against it. Ump was out of pocket. Also, Iga has a huge hitch in her service motion. It's not incumbent upon the returner to behave in some preordained fashion while awaiting serve. Yulia can do whatever she wants. Ump is a dork.
@@BestMuscleVideo How often did you accuse Roger Federer of cheating with his SABR moves? At a guess, I'd say about as many as anybody did . . . zero. So what's the difference now?
I don’t know the rules but I am surprised moving side ways is considered illegal but moving forwards or taking the split step forward isn’t. Shouldn’t both be equally considered distractions?
I think moving right after the server strikes the ball is OK, but moving around as the server is about to serve can be looked upon as deliberate distraction.
its a ridiculous video and argument here, jumping arround is and has always been allowed and been done. Gosh... Federer even has been applauded for such moves (sneak attack). Just that the discussion is hypcrite, depending if the "good ones" or "bad ones" are doing it. Iga Swiatek is known for much worse things that are actually really considered and categorized as "hinderance" like hitting on the hardcourt ground with the racquet (to make this distracting clicking noise) while the opponent is serving, but I have never seen her to be punished for it (but for most other "bad girls" though, they were punished). If Iga is distracted by a moving returner, then she is really mentally weak.
I don't think this should be disallowed. The server will look at where the receiver is standing in order to decide what serve to use. If the receiver isn't standing still, then that's more difficult, but so what? That's tactical, not gamesmanship. It's one thing waving your arms around, it's another thing making a moving target. Maybe distracting but not nowhere near as distracting as the screaming and grunting that's allowed these days.
It’s not cheating. In doubles, the net player does it all the time. Even iga has done a fake out where she waved her hands to distract her opponent lol
nothing against Swiatek but getting a taste of her own medicine from Putintseva is just sublime ROFL (altho Swiatek hasn't done it anymore since the fall out).
It's bad form, it is bush league. There are unwritten rules in all sports. People can scoff at or criticize the existence of these unwritten rules, but decorum/etiquette is important. Yes, the goal is to win, but how you win matters.
Putinseva appears to act within the bounds of the rules, but certainly not in the spirit of the rules. Of course, the underarm serve was once considered an insult, now it's a surprise tactic.
Great comment, but it got me wondering, was the underarm serve considered not in the spirit of the rules? Regarding rules and the spirit of the rules, so long as everyone is playing by the same rule book then anything in the rule book is fine. Rules are open to interpretation obviously, and to start talking about the 'spirit of the rules' (I DO get what you're trying to say) seems unnecessary and an abstraction too far. I also think that players who are generally disliked are disliked on grounds OTHER than playing within or without the 'spirit' of the rules - generally folk don't like them on account of perceived pride and arrogance.
You're supposed to split step when returning serve. Moving left or right just increases the risk reward involved with this movement. Not sure what they're talking about here.
The movement can't be distracting to the server. You can move up. It's too bad that the chair umpire while verbally noting it to her did not call er on it the second time. A good chair umpire would look both ears to see ball, net/let and the opponents movement.
It isn't hinderance though as it's a body movement to return serve. Waving your arms around during a serve would be an example of hinderance which is a tactic Swiatek has empolyed to distract a player mid way through a point.
When I’m serving , I’m so focused and into making sure my serve goes exactly where I want it to go that I don’t pay much attention to my opponent. Once the ball is in the air,, my eyes are on the ball and I lose sight of the returner anyway. It’s a non-issue as far as I’m concerned . The opponent can run a lap around the court while I’m serving and it wouldn’t bother me.
its made up bullshit. I am not defending Putintseva being a nice player, but this is not cheating. Its fully legal... only that Iga has "special" treatment and a very weak mental game.
She is PUTINseva. So you expect playing her fair? Don't think so. But anyway our Iga learn all the time. She is already a legend. No one is going to take that from her ❤
@@sweetandsavoury No it is not. It is a deception, sure, same as disguising a drop-shot. I'd love to hear you explain your argument to RF when he was doing his SABR moves.
@@kwaskowyzelek Agreed, it’s called politeness / fairness / respect / sportsmanship : however some players prefer to be “winning ugly”, and Brad Gilbert even wrote a book about it, with that title.
@@kwaskowyzelek Unwritten rules of sport? Like for example not waving your hands at the net, trying to ruin your opponent's point, that kind of unwritten rule you mean? Yeah, that is also an unwritten rule of the game and your homie didn't exactly respect it, did she? 😏 She and her fans need to be humble about fair play, you're not the ones to be talking.
Settle down, Beavis. It's not war in the Middle East. And several players move like Ostapenko during the opponent's serve. It's part of coaching cuz you're trying to get a jump on the serve, whichever way it goes.
Years ago I was in a regular mixed doubles group that rotated players around. One of the women (I'm a guy) who had this very superior attitude - and who was a good player and had a strong serve. When she came to the baseline to serve I would be standing in one place but then shift before she had a chance to serve. Ticked her off. I asked the Club pro if it was a legal move and he said it was.
I played tennis in collage and this current game has gone to the crybabies. Moving on the base line is not allowed, REALLY what a sorry excuse for not being able to concentrate. Try shooting an NBA free throw if you want to see distractions. Try playing Mac or Conners to see real distractions. Just a poor set of rules.
its not. This is one of the most ridiculous videos about "cheating" I have ever seen in UA-cam, as it is a very legal and justified action. If you play tennis correctly, one of the first things you learn is to make jumps as a returner to react faster based on the high speed of the serve.
I don't see how this is any different from trying to fake out your opponent at the net or before a volley etc. If you can throw off your opponent's serving motion without making noise, more power to you.
This is one of those grey areas. As the rules are written, if the movement is intended to distract the opponent, it's illegal. However, you can make the argument that she was trying to deceive the opponent
Nothing wrong with moving before your opponent serves. On the other hand, Iga is not innocent of cheating. She is infamous for waving her hands in front of the net to distract her opponent.
I move as soon as the ball is thrown in the air. I run around my backhand. Smart servers can catch me way out of position and ace me on their second serves.
Nah, he was one of the good ones. Putinseva is obviously one of the bad ones. Different standards, in a totally non hypocritical way of course . . . cough . . .
Thank you for the charitable treatment of Yuki Putinseva. She gets so much shit-- which she deserves. But think of the grit and determination it takes to be Yuli Putinseva. One thing you got wrong is that she doesn't have a bright future ahead of her-- at 29, she's coming to the end of her career. But, at 5'4" inches she's still hanging on out there. Wow. And this Indian Wells, making it to the 4th round, upsettting Ekaterina Alexandrova and Madeline Keyes back to back-- that's the shit for real.
Feels so good to beat someone who's trying a bunch of distracting tactics. I used to play a guy who couldn't beat me straight up. My 7 was better than his 10 & he knew that. He'd do all sorts of weird shit to try & rattle me. Sometimes it would work & it'd be closer than it should be. Finally told him one day, "you're not going to win with whatever you do....cheating, straight-up, distractions or anything you do. May as well lose with some dignity?" That rattled him & he was all screwed up. Realized it was true & completely folded 😂
Not cheating, in my opinion. Not much difference in that and the SABR. Actually, there is less movement with Putinseva just shuffling side to side than Roger SABR jogging forward to return. Both are fine, in my opinion. What about Ostapenko return procedure? The squeaky shoe dances when the toss goes up. That's loud. If anything is hindrance, returning serves, its that. But she does it all the time, so they dont call on her hindrance. So if you're going to cheat in pro tennis , you might as well cheat every time because it's okay then.
Also, what about in many other matches when Swiatek waves her hands in the air when her opponent is about to hit an easy put away shot. I like Swiatek, of course, but definitely should be called a hindrance. But they don't call it.
It got weird over and over throughout Iga Swiatek vs Yulia Putintseva match.
Seen loads of men players do that, nothing gets said. So you’re saying that men cheat also when they do this. Shame you don’t show that.
@@andyclark8991 ok, Serena...
Swiatek is so smart. Re-doing the toss is the perfect antidote.
Taking a page out of Agassi's book against Kucera at the US open 1998. Or a page out of Kucera's book. Kucera kept re-doing the toss against Agassi during that match, so Agassi got pissed and use the same tactic against Kucera, making him taste his own medicine. Swiatek's re-tossing was completely justified lol
@@TheseHoesAreLoyal Exactly.
What's a re-toss, please?
@@Hammster_MCR Re-toss: Iga throws the ball above her head to serve, but doesn't swing. Thus, she does a re-toss. - Chris
Putinseva and Ostapenko are the 2 Karens of the WTA ........
Putinseva is awesome. No, she'll never win a major nor even crack into the top 20, now she's closer to retirement. But she's been a fireball of a player. In her career she's been way more interesting and entertaining than ninety percent of all players on the tour. The sport needs personalities like Yulia.
Gauff is becoming one also...
@@vskane nope .....
😂😂yeah!!!!!- SPOT ON!!!!!!!
And Kostyuk I think
There is absolutely no rule that the receiver stands still.
ok, noted
Hinderance ?
There isn’t but there is a rule of hindering the opponent. It was obvious what she was doing !
Unless there's anything prohibiting it, I think it's a clever strategy. It must exhibit mobility and not hindrance. If it's a problem the rules should more clearly define it.
"Can the receiver move during a serve in tennis?
A player may change position at any time, including while the server is tossing a ball. Any other movement or any sound that is made solely to distract an opponent, including, but not limited to, waving arms or racket or stamping feet, is not allowed."
"Can you move before the serve in tennis?
There is no rule about this. In fact you will notice that a lot of the top players have moved a great deal before the server has actually hit the ball."
Learn to inform yourself before saying anything. "A player may change position at any time, including while the server is tossing a ball. Any other movement or any sound that is made solely to distract an opponent, including, but not limited to, waving arms or racket or stamping feet, is not allowed." And before you say "Uhhh, ohh, but it say a player may change position"" NO. A player may change position for a return, but is not allowed to move in an deliberate manner to distract the opponent
Were we not expecting Putintseva to act like that? You must have not seen her before. I expected nothing better from her. She just didn’t want a bagel and decided to play unfair to avoid it. It’s whatever, as long as Iga wins.
exactly like that, it doesn't matter what your opponent does, what matters is how you react to it. Iga played a great match and behaved brilliantly.
no change of shoe laces
Cheating is when you jump in front of the net , trying to keep the player from hitting the ball. Who is known for that?
True but Swiatek constantly employs hinderance tactics on her opponents so I don't think she can credibly complain when other players do it to her.
There is no rule to say the receiver has to stand still. Would be nuts
This is nothing compared to the intentional screamers who scream even in slice balls. Screams come AFTER they hit so the opponent is distracted. Many top WTA players, including the excellent Sabalenka do it. On men’s tour there are many as well, but not in top 10
Alcaraz is in the top ten
@@user-gs3nz8xj5xhes Spanish it doesn’t count
Ostapenko doing pretty much the same but without jumping lefr, right, she jumps on one place & scratching the court with her sneakers. It's also annoying.
You are all idiots, there are no rules saying the receiver has to stand still and watch the serve go by. Be sensible. Obviously the receiver can jump about move wherever they want. Get over yourselves, Osapenko has shown how easy it is to beat Swiatek on every meeting and she certainly is not cheating or acting like a monkey at the net as Swiatek did against Osapenko.
i don't know the rule, but it seems to me a returner should be able to jump around all they want. in the long run, it would only hurt their returning percentage.
You can generally move around in a consistent way, but you can't do it like she was doing it at the beginning of clip. You can't create a distraction right when a person is about to hit. It's like playing pool, and everytime you are about to hit, the person does something.
@@Mr7Poz It' nothing like pool at all. Your opponent moving in preparation for the serve in absolutely part of the game, it is not in pool.
@@davidhale8034 it’s so obvious that her movements weren’t for the intention of getting into position for the serve. She was jumping erratically to create noise and visual disturbances. That’s hindrance. You’ve no brain cells.
@@davidhale8034 Putinseva was moving before Swiatek began her ball toss. That's not preparing, that's attempting to distract.
Putinseva didn't appear to break the hindrance rule, but it was obvious she was attempting to throw off Swiatek's serve....all perfectly legal but seems to indicate that she had no confidence in her ability to beat Iga.
why the hate towards Putintseva? saying players aren't allowed to move during the serve is dumb. Federer basically ran up to the net on opponent 2nd serves
It was OK for her to do it on the second serve but not to continually change positions on the first serve. That’s what was happening.
Must be like swiatek waving her hands at the net?
Ya her witch move she looked like a splattered witch who hit a window with her flying broom
Putintseva jumped around on two points total, and got a warning from the umpire. No big deal, and not worth "Cheating" in the title. I'm no fan of Putintseva, but this is blown way up.
Agreed, and some movement is permitted when receiving so it's a matter of degree. Call it gamesmanship, but certainly not cheating.
I don't see the big fucking deal. Also she's kinda cute but that's beside the point LOL.
Actually, she didn't get a warning, chair umpire just told her to stop -
Anyway, I agree, it is more a desperate move, a signal to the opponent that you have no good answer.
It’s a bunch of movement and she ends up in the same spot. The point is to distract.
@@aznbacon321 That's obvious. Umpire told her to stop it, and she did.
I don’t think it’s cheating…shouting like Sabelenka is 💯 cheating
Ptdrrr sorry for you it’s not 😌
Opponent is to move after the serve, not before
Sabalenka is a cheat for vocalising on her own swing? Tennis rules on hinderance are written down. That doesn't appear in them.
LOUD GRUNTS/SCREAMS ARE NOOOOT...IT IIIIIS NOOOOOOOOOT. GOT IT? Grow a brain.
@@vskane ONLY Aryna? Are you racist? Because if you are prejudice, or a bigot, you must be a racist.
For moving around as a returner, Sampras did something similar at Wimbledon vs Agassi. Didn’t matter bc Agassi was serving great. Someone find the rule book but I think the rule is that you cant make noise while moving.
True sportsman don't cheat.
You obviously have never played any sport at a higher level 🤷🏾♂️ Everyone will cheat depending on the situation
@@Dancingontgesun1942not everyone, it's a lie
if that is "cheating" then I'm afraid that "true sportsmen" are toxic to the sport of tennis, since when a legal move is made by a player to play to the best of his abilities within the rulebook, it can only benifit the sport. If a move is declared damaging to the sport the rulebook may change to treat it differently. A true sportsman, I say, is one who plays within the rulebook and to the best of his abilities
Then you also suggest that true sportsmen don't wave their hands at the net, trying to ruin the opponent's point? Yes, I agree 😏 Oops 😆
@@amused2death775 exactly, Iga has been doing it a lot.
I just don't see it as a form of cheating. If players are supposed to get used to fans milling around to their seats after every game, the opponents feet shuffling shouldn't be such a big deal.
That just shows how powerless she felt going against Queen #1GA
It’s not meant to distract, it’s meant to keep iga guessing in whether to go wide, body or T.
This isn't cheating, but could be seen as unsportsmanlike. A lot of people will do something like this to try to turn a match. You might as well go after Federer for his "SABR" with the same argument.
I think the commentators are wrong. What she is doing isn't illegal. However, if she was purposely stomping her feet or screeching her shoes or tapping/waving her racquet, then those things could be deemed a distraction.
No excuse, but at least twice, Iga has waved her arms at opponents, while close to the net.
Honestly Putintseva wasn’t doing anything different that the men don’t do in their matches! It’s just because it’s Putintseva was playing Swiatek she was complaining! Swiatek has a very slow motion when she serves so I can’t see Putintseva distracting Swiatek when she serves! Swiatek was complaining because she was losing the game against Putintseva & we all know how Swiatek hates to lose!
Typical Putinseva......can't stand her unsportsmanlike behaviour
No big deal...just serve the ball...if Poots is out of position she can't hit the ball.
It's not like waving your arms around at the net in the middle of a point is it.
@redplague she did it two times, and she never did it again. Putinseva using her tricks all the time...
not a sole came here to find out if you can stand her or not... this is not all about you
@slowery43 where did I say I can't stand her? I said her unsportsmanlike behaviour is horrendous......learn to read before commenting fool
I'm sorry but it didn't seem she was cheating, there's no rule about the receiver's movement during the opponent's serve.
hehe sad for yulia..off night it is😔
let's go iga💪
It is perfectly legal and super-smart to do.
I used to play a lot and I would move prior so that the server didn't plan the shot location based on my position. I'd never heard you can't move. I would be in constant movement so that you can react quicker. No one ever called me out for it. Also, my intention was not to distract, but to be more prepared and not let the server know where I will be. Interesting comments from the announcers.
You jumped around? Why? The only intent of jumping around right before the service is to throw off the server. It absolutely does not help a returner's positioning. This is very different behavior from a returner's normal pre-serve movement. I would like to stand real deep and gradually creep forward prior to my opponent starting his service. I did this to keep loose. My routine was completely unnoticed by the server, as it should be.
@@PeacefulPariah My moving around is as you describe too. I even mentioned it by being in constant motion to be able to react better. Seriously you took what I said, said you do the same and then say I'm distracting yet you aren't. Seriously! I serve based on where I think I have the best chance. So I consider where the receiving player will be on my serve. Left right front back all the same and it's not to distract but to keep them guessing to where to serve. Why do players hide their drop shots. So is it a distraction because the receiving player doesn't know where the ball will go? Why doesn't the server tell the receiving player where s/he will be serving. Sorry, don't agree that it's a distraction. Deception. Which is part of the game.
@@PeacefulPariah Nonsense. All players who are taught properly are taught to split-jump. That's jumping. This is jumping that, if the server was looking, would be noticed by said server. And it occurs before the ball has been hit, or just as it's being hit. And all good tennis players do it. It most definitely _does_ help a returner's ability to move more quickly in response to the eventual direction of the serve. I suggest you look it up before continuing . . .
Putintseva was fine. There is no rule against it. Ump was out of pocket. Also, Iga has a huge hitch in her service motion. It's not incumbent upon the returner to behave in some preordained fashion while awaiting serve. Yulia can do whatever she wants. Ump is a dork.
Where is cheating here?
Technically, I wouldn't call this cheating. What rule does it violate?
Possible hindrance.
@@BestMuscleVideo How often did you accuse Roger Federer of cheating with his SABR moves? At a guess, I'd say about as many as anybody did . . . zero. So what's the difference now?
Why is this unfair? Totally legit to try to anticipate the serve. Concentrate on serving in the court, not on you opponent's moves.
Swiatek has waved her arms at the net to distract the opponent. Don't know if she is still doing it.
Is there an exact rule? They do this all the time so the server has a moving target. Federer’s SABR was while the service action was taking place.
This is total bollocks, the returner can do absolutely anything she wants to do . There is absolutely no rule saying she can't move.
I don’t know the rules but I am surprised moving side ways is considered illegal but moving forwards or taking the split step forward isn’t. Shouldn’t both be equally considered distractions?
jumping around is legal
I think moving right after the server strikes the ball is OK, but moving around as the server is about to serve can be looked upon as deliberate distraction.
It isn't illegal.
its a ridiculous video and argument here, jumping arround is and has always been allowed and been done. Gosh... Federer even has been applauded for such moves (sneak attack). Just that the discussion is hypcrite, depending if the "good ones" or "bad ones" are doing it. Iga Swiatek is known for much worse things that are actually really considered and categorized as "hinderance" like hitting on the hardcourt ground with the racquet (to make this distracting clicking noise) while the opponent is serving, but I have never seen her to be punished for it (but for most other "bad girls" though, they were punished). If Iga is distracted by a moving returner, then she is really mentally weak.
@@user-vl8ez6zv1v when exactly this alleged clicking had happened?
I don't think this should be disallowed. The server will look at where the receiver is standing in order to decide what serve to use. If the receiver isn't standing still, then that's more difficult, but so what? That's tactical, not gamesmanship. It's one thing waving your arms around, it's another thing making a moving target. Maybe distracting but not nowhere near as distracting as the screaming and grunting that's allowed these days.
It’s not cheating. In doubles, the net player does it all the time. Even iga has done a fake out where she waved her hands to distract her opponent lol
nothing against Swiatek but getting a taste of her own medicine from Putintseva is just sublime ROFL (altho Swiatek hasn't done it anymore since the fall out).
It's not cheating. The receiver can move in anyway she wants as long as the ball served must bounce first. Server's loss if she gets distracted.
???
It's bad form, it is bush league. There are unwritten rules in all sports. People can scoff at or criticize the existence of these unwritten rules, but decorum/etiquette is important. Yes, the goal is to win, but how you win matters.
@@PeacefulPariah I take it you complained when RF executed his SABR move? Or is he a good'un, while the lady in question here is not?
I don’t think she was cheating, since server can move her feet around , up or down or even drop serve, the rule does not prohibit returner to move
Putinseva appears to act within the bounds of the rules, but certainly not in the spirit of the rules. Of course, the underarm serve was once considered an insult, now it's a surprise tactic.
Also, it’s Iga’s job to control her nerves and how she reacts to external stimuli.
Although Swiatek's previous incidents of hand-waving at the net is not allowed as it's hinderance.
Great comment, but it got me wondering, was the underarm serve considered not in the spirit of the rules? Regarding rules and the spirit of the rules, so long as everyone is playing by the same rule book then anything in the rule book is fine. Rules are open to interpretation obviously, and to start talking about the 'spirit of the rules' (I DO get what you're trying to say) seems unnecessary and an abstraction too far. I also think that players who are generally disliked are disliked on grounds OTHER than playing within or without the 'spirit' of the rules - generally folk don't like them on account of perceived pride and arrogance.
You're supposed to split step when returning serve. Moving left or right just increases the risk reward involved with this movement. Not sure what they're talking about here.
What was she doing?
Moving is cheating? There is no rule for this... if there was, it would be idiotic.
Is this the first time he watched her? I alway expect her to do something. The more he spoke...yeah he must be a newbie...
The movement can't be distracting to the server. You can move up. It's too bad that the chair umpire while verbally noting it to her did not call er on it the second time. A good chair umpire would look both ears to see ball, net/let and the opponents movement.
It isn't hinderance though as it's a body movement to return serve. Waving your arms around during a serve would be an example of hinderance which is a tactic Swiatek has empolyed to distract a player mid way through a point.
or hitting the ground when the opponent serves. Algo a famous "nice Iga" move...
The under serve was done by Michael Chang in the early 90s
When I’m serving , I’m so focused and into making sure my serve goes exactly where I want it to go that I don’t pay much attention to my opponent. Once the ball is in the air,, my eyes are on the ball and I lose sight of the returner anyway.
It’s a non-issue as far as I’m concerned . The opponent can run a lap around the court while I’m serving and it wouldn’t bother me.
Once Swiatek checks to make sure the opponent is ready, she should be focusing on the ball and not even seeing the opponent.
I believe it’s all legal so long as the player receiving serve is not tapping the racquet on the court or making other noises..😩🤔
Correct
like Iga does like to do. I got your side stitch here ;)
wtf is that rule? how are you not allowed to move? how is that "distracting" in any way?
its made up bullshit. I am not defending Putintseva being a nice player, but this is not cheating. Its fully legal... only that Iga has "special" treatment and a very weak mental game.
Let you scream bloody murder, but won't let you move before a serve? Both are extremely distracting. Come on tennis!
Iga has done worse waving her arms when she at the net in the past
that is not cheating!
She is PUTINseva. So you expect playing her fair? Don't think so. But anyway our Iga learn all the time. She is already a legend. No one is going to take that from her ❤
Do you even know what is definition of legend? I doubt that.
nice try, CNN believer. you've read NOTHING about the history of the conflict, doubtless.
@@artempakora7967 probably you know better 😀 Fine with that. Have a good day!
Cheating? Where in this clip was shown anything close to cheating done? One player is moving during the serve of the other, how is this cheating?
Moving side to side unnecessarily to throw your opponent off is considered hindrance....I wouldn't call it cheating but it's definitely hindrance
bullshit @@sweetandsavoury
@@sweetandsavoury No it is not. It is a deception, sure, same as disguising a drop-shot. I'd love to hear you explain your argument to RF when he was doing his SABR moves.
@@DustyDingoPhotos it is idiot the commentators even stated it 🙄
it seems like yulia's tactic worked, at least she didn't get bagels. 😂
Protecting the server way too much.
to be fair Iga intentionally takes forever during her serve to psyche out her opponent
Not cheating. No rules that she broke.
She can leave shitty russia, but shitty russia never leave you.
Iga is cool and smart
She's also a cheat waving her arms around to put off her opponent during rallies
As far as I know, this is legal/allowed according to the rules, so the umpire cannot forbid a player from doing it.
there is such a thing as unwritten rules in a sport
@@kwaskowyzelek Agreed, it’s called politeness / fairness / respect / sportsmanship : however some players prefer to be “winning ugly”, and Brad Gilbert even wrote a book about it, with that title.
@@kwaskowyzelek Unwritten rules of sport? Like for example not waving your hands at the net, trying to ruin your opponent's point, that kind of unwritten rule you mean? Yeah, that is also an unwritten rule of the game and your homie didn't exactly respect it, did she? 😏 She and her fans need to be humble about fair play, you're not the ones to be talking.
Isn't that a hindrance?
Yes, exactly. And Świątek stop doing that after many ppl told her thats wrong@@amused2death775
ITS NOT CHEATING!!! Dont say that
Similar to Ostapenko who does a dance & gets her shoes squeeking during the opponent's serve. That should be stopped!!!!!!!!!!
Agree.both has terrible bad attitude.boo🤪
Settle down, Beavis. It's not war in the Middle East. And several players move like Ostapenko during the opponent's serve. It's part of coaching cuz you're trying to get a jump on the serve, whichever way it goes.
Tim Henman invented this tactic and it is not cheating
I have been watching many players doing those movements before rivals' service....that is completely legal
Not cheating, maybe frowned upon. My dad taught me to move forward when the opponent served.
Years ago I was in a regular mixed doubles group that rotated players around. One of the women (I'm a guy) who had this very superior attitude - and who was a good player and had a strong serve. When she came to the baseline to serve I would be standing in one place but then shift before she had a chance to serve. Ticked her off. I asked the Club pro if it was a legal move and he said it was.
I played tennis in collage and this current game has gone to the crybabies. Moving on the base line is not allowed, REALLY what a sorry excuse for not being able to concentrate. Try shooting an NBA free throw if you want to see distractions. Try playing Mac or Conners to see real distractions. Just a poor set of rules.
I played college too. And I did it, but not as bad as she did. It's a fine line.
was Putintseva doing this before this score?
She tried an underhand serve earlier in the match. See it here: ua-cam.com/video/YVE8wZG260U/v-deo.htmlsi=RlQ61qDUd_4-bswb
Iga has done similar when at the net to put off the opponent. What's good for the goose...
I think Putinseva is not as confident in her abilities and it shows.
Which second of the clip umpire says that?
1:36
Swiatek often waves her arms at the net to distract her opponents and never gets called for that clear hindrance.
not "often" : She did that two or 3 times, 2 years ago - She has been told that she shouldn't do that, and she never did it again !
While swiatek takes all the time to serve and re toss is completely normal lol
Is it restricted by rules to move during the service?
Nope.
its not. This is one of the most ridiculous videos about "cheating" I have ever seen in UA-cam, as it is a very legal and justified action. If you play tennis correctly, one of the first things you learn is to make jumps as a returner to react faster based on the high speed of the serve.
I don't see how this is any different from trying to fake out your opponent at the net or before a volley etc. If you can throw off your opponent's serving motion without making noise, more power to you.
This is one of those grey areas. As the rules are written, if the movement is intended to distract the opponent, it's illegal. However, you can make the argument that she was trying to deceive the opponent
Where in the rules does it say you have to stand still ?
2:44 Wasn't this serve a let?
Nothing wrong with moving before your opponent serves. On the other hand, Iga is not innocent of cheating. She is infamous for waving her hands in front of the net to distract her opponent.
I move as soon as the ball is thrown in the air. I run around my backhand. Smart servers can catch me way out of position and ace me on their second serves.
I think the first few times she did it could be distracting, but then she toned it down.
2:44 you can all here the net for serv, still gets the point.
Great job Chris, cheers!
Thank you sir
I see nothing wrong with jumping from side to side. She wasnt making loud noises.
it's called "doing an Ostapenko"
I believe even Ostapenko behaves better and it is hard to say that Ostapenko has sportmanlike behaviour.
@@Introverder absolut ridiculous comment. You have no clue about tennis and not even sense of what is right or wrong.
Yulia a wonderful player doing such a thing is unexpected, maybe because of her errors getting frustrated. 😮😮😮
I have zero problem with her moving on the serve. Terrible rule. Tennis is a joke.
What about Federer's "sabre"?
Nah, he was one of the good ones. Putinseva is obviously one of the bad ones. Different standards, in a totally non hypocritical way of course . . . cough . . .
Thank you for the charitable treatment of Yuki Putinseva. She gets so much shit-- which she deserves. But think of the grit and determination it takes to be Yuli Putinseva. One thing you got wrong is that she doesn't have a bright future ahead of her-- at 29, she's coming to the end of her career. But, at 5'4" inches she's still hanging on out there. Wow. And this Indian Wells, making it to the 4th round, upsettting Ekaterina
Alexandrova and Madeline Keyes back to back-- that's the shit for real.
Great comment bro. Good analysis. - Chris
Dont understand. She didnt do nothing. Whats the issue here?
Thanks mate !
It is not cheating.
It is NOT cheating. Frowned upon? Who cares?!
The commentators know absolutely nothing about tennis rules
Feels so good to beat someone who's trying a bunch of distracting tactics. I used to play a guy who couldn't beat me straight up. My 7 was better than his 10 & he knew that. He'd do all sorts of weird shit to try & rattle me. Sometimes it would work & it'd be closer than it should be. Finally told him one day, "you're not going to win with whatever you do....cheating, straight-up, distractions or anything you do. May as well lose with some dignity?"
That rattled him & he was all screwed up. Realized it was true & completely folded 😂
Brawo Iga 👏👏🇵🇱🇵🇱////Putin 🇷🇺out 🤣
She is from Kazakhstan
Where was cheating?
Nobody mentions Carlos Alcaraz shouts before he hits the ball
Not cheating, in my opinion. Not much difference in that and the SABR. Actually, there is less movement with Putinseva just shuffling side to side than Roger SABR jogging forward to return. Both are fine, in my opinion. What about Ostapenko return procedure? The squeaky shoe dances when the toss goes up. That's loud. If anything is hindrance, returning serves, its that. But she does it all the time, so they dont call on her hindrance. So if you're going to cheat in pro tennis , you might as well cheat every time because it's okay then.
Also, what about in many other matches when Swiatek waves her hands in the air when her opponent is about to hit an easy put away shot. I like Swiatek, of course, but definitely should be called a hindrance. But they don't call it.