I'm so hyped that I took out my Peg Turbo 2 out for a run... I store my shoes by room temperatur and dry condition... I dont think they lost much of the pop, but you can definitely feel it is an older shoe. Mine got only 40miles in. The hype was gone kinda fast, but was not a unpleasent run. I had the glue issues that the tip started to seperate from the react foam after like 20miles but nothing that shoeglue couldnt save. Your drop explaination is on point. As you maybe remember I'm a big fan of the chinese brands, especially Xtep and li-Ning, the "legendary" Xtep 160x 3.0 Pro, what many see as the "holy grail" has exact the problem you mention! The heel is SO soft that you notice that it becomes a HUUUGE negative drop. What makes the shoe very unpleasent to stand in, especially because it also has the most rigged forefoot experience of all shoes I know its like a firm cliff. As a midfoot striker I dont notice it during a run, but real heelstrikers... oh boy. Still an amazing shoe. But since that I dont look too much of the drop except when I see EVA foams like PWRRUN or Cushlon. The 30mm claim I dont get... I almost have only max cushion shoes (which I notice is may not the best), but I can get into my hyper pink peg36 with 300miles in and do a 12miler with no problem... is it as enjoyable as in max cushion shoes? For sure not... is it more healthy, may be not... but totally doable. And I have the power of turtle in me... means I'm a slower more heavy runner. Personal question, and I know you dont really like to do that but: From our chat, and the comments... would you rather say go for the Peg41 or the Peg Plus. Especially in mind that the cold times are lying ahead here in Germany. Especially as an re-entry to less is more and to train footstrenght finally. I was hoping the Peg Plus is softer in the forfoot area than the peg41. Thank you for the review! 🐢
I enjoyed the Peg Turbos, I have 5 pairs (as I said) but all of them had some issue, packed out ZoomX, delamination, upper issues. Overall I MUCH preferred the Peg37 over the Turbos and was happy it replaced them. I've never really had any desire to go back in run in the Turbos, even for nostalgia. The 30mm forefoot thing is a bit of a joke for me and a few others now... it is ridiculous. I know why you are asking about the colder temps headed your way. The ReactX in the Peg41 is still React and TPU doesn't like cold temps. I'm curious how "bricky" the more air'y injection molded ReactX will get. Luckily, about the coldest temps we ever see here in Taipei are 8-9c (that is "ice cold" dead of winter too). I may be spending some time in actual winter temps this year elsewhere...but we shall see. The Peg Plus is much "softer" in the forefoot than the Peg41. Both feel similar in how they cushion your foot...but they achieve it in different ways and feels. I'll talk about this in my upcoming comparisons between the 41 and the Plus on Friday.
Good review as ever and confirmed one that is of interest to me (think due for 8th Aug release here in the UK) as the Peg Turbo 1 and 2 were the shoes I ran in the most when were current and I even got 170 miles out of the Next Nature ones. Of course now I am 6 years older and slower I am just hoping I can still run in shoes with less than 30mm stack under my toes. At least I have been "learning" to do so in the Peg 41s of late.
Make sure you don't run more than 6 miles in them...it's just not possible! Be VERY careful if you do. I didn't know you got that many miles out the the Turbo NN...if you did that you'll love these. Though I'm curious how the upper will fit your foot. We will discuss these and the Peg41 once you get some miles into the Plus...
You’ve sold me. I’m a 2:40 marathoner. Love the alphafly 3 hated the alphafly 2. Nikes training lineup has been disappointing and I’ve moved over to adidas (Boston 12 daily and prime x2 for long runs) and asics (novablast daily superblast long runs). On race day I’m always a Nike guy, I have the edge Paris and the pro 3 and nothing runs like the af 3. The peg plus I’m hoping pulls me back to Nike for daily running.
Given your other options for daily shoes it might not…. But you’ll find it a very valuable non plated workout shoes at the very least. It especially pairs well with the AF3… it really fills in the blanks of what the shoe is missing.
Nice review, really trust your opinions. Knowing how much you love the product design, it is good to hear you glow on the non-heritage aspects of this shoe. Loved the streakfly, but it felt like it was about to disappear in a puff of smoke after just 2 medium length runs. Really looking forward to a 100 mile review and comparisons to other performance daily trainers out there.
Ha, that is such a good description of the Streakfly. I hadn't worn them in a while (since last fall) and when I put them on, in my studio, as I described in this video...I was shocked how minimal and lightweight they are. Ive been running alot in the VF3, AF3, MSEP and TS10 lately too...all of them feel "bigger" than the Streakfly.... I may be back with a durability checkin on these, if I see the need and the long term review may be over 100mi as I'll hit that fairly soon in these.
Amazing video as always! My Streakflys are coming up on 250+ miles. I’ve strictly used them as a trainer at the track and I can definitely feel the cushioning dying off slowly. The sole isn’t as bad as I thought it would get and I still use them when I need that speed. I almost jumped out my seat when you brought it out on the video 😮 absolutely can’t wait to get my hands on a pair
You are going to love these then. Those of us who really fell in love with the Streakfly, but wanted more durability without sacrificing (all of) the feel.... have our shoe now.
Very nice quality review as always! I really love the depth of the details and comparison you always have. It makes for great insight for newcomers to the running world. Thanks once again for the insight! Will be checking out the Peg Plus soon! 👍🏁
Thank you for the feedback and kind words. I really appreciate it. Thank you for watching! I hope all of this helps you start on the right foot on your running journey. 🤙🏻
Great video. Can’t wait to pickup a pair when they launch here in the US “coming soon”. I greatly appreciate the design and history lessons together. ❤😊
Hey, man, I just want to express how much I appreciate your videos. In my opinion, you have the most informative reviews on UA-cam. Also, you sold me on getting a pair of these, even though I definitely don't need them. 😅 I've got so many Streakflys sitting around, but I really do want to experience the Peg Plus. I also have two OG Peg Turbos, one brand new, sitting too. It will be interesting to compare the feel of each shoe simultaneously.
I appreciate the kind words on the content. Thank you for watching! If you enjoyed the Streakfly that much you will really love the Peg Plus. I'd also be curious about your impressions moving from the OG Turbo to the Peg Plus, the Peg Plus will feel like such a bigger shoe (much closer to the Streakfly).
Been a Nike loyalist since 1980. The turbo works well for me. I’d estimate that I went through 13-14 pairs from T1 thru T3. Beyond excited for the plus! Your review builds my confidence that it will be the best version to date. I called Nike and asked to test a pair. Given my loyalty and purchase history, I thought I get a more favorable response. Instead, I was provided with the typical corporate dismissal. “Appreciate your loyalty, but we can’t help you”. What infuriates me is that I can easily find reviews of the plus that are conducted by people who don’t appear to be runners. Yet, they have access? Please don’t inform me that it’s done to boost sales. Don’t think Nike has any problems moving products. However, they do suffer from quality issues. This is especially evident in the retro air Jordan line. Nike’s product quality diminished when it left Taiwan. I can go on and on but I’ll stop. Thank you for indulging me. “Just Do It” - I want to but I need new running shoes and cannot afford to waste money on a competitor shoe to bridge the gap.
I'm getting more excited for this shoe every day. I have no problem with a 10mm drop. I actually prefer it. The flyknit looks like what was on the flyknit lunar 2 & 3. I'm surprised that the Streakfly has more stack in the forefoot. Visually it looks like it has less but perhaps the foot sits below the exterior foam in the Pegasus Plus.
Ya, the Plus had sidewalls in the midsole and they make the stack heights very deceptive. I'll be very curious about the specs of the shoe, once there is a consensus out there post launch. Maybe Nike will even bless us with actual specs?!?!
I value a lot your perspective and experience. Your content is technical and translates running shoe characteristics for me real well (that real drop feel for this shoe). What I constantly find to dislike (and it does hurt your credibility), is that you revolve only in the Nike world. I would really like to see some alternatives for the shoes that you review from other brands. I like to have options. I will always choose by on foot feel, but I like to have them presented. Maybe some shoe is not available in Romania (think Puma). Nike must work on quality. One example is anufacturing quality: factory specs do not match product specs (see runnrepeat for details). You could improve your experience and reviews (in my opinion) by including other brands. Thank you for a good instructive review!
Oddly this is only my 2nd Nike I’ve reviewed in 2024. I’ve covered more Adidas and Asics shoes this year and an equal number of Saucony. That being said, I cover what is interesting to me. I primarily run in Nike and Adidas, and occasionally Asics. That’s why you see those brands primarily. I’m also making a point to do cross brand comparisons, my “vs” videos for important models. They will be coming for the Pegasus Plus. I have made a point to branch out into other brands this year and my review and editorial lens has been quite broad. Again, it’s what’s interesting to me to run in and cover. Many of the “popular” shoes of the moment I am simply not interested in running in…. Which is why I don’t cover them. I also am no longer covering every shoe from every line. There are a handful or important Nikes this year as well as (many more) Adidas shoes. But I’m not covering each line completely, or trying too. Lastly, even though I am an American I live abroad and try to focus on details that matter to everyone. Not just US centric prices and sales and what’s only really common in the US. I am doing my best to be as proud as possible…. But I’m only one runner…. And I plan to keep this channel my singular voice. I appreciate the feedback and comment though. Thank you for taking the time to give me your opinion. 👍🏻
When you talk about runners who prefer a lower to the ground feel, I love the adidas adios range, so I’m really excited to try the peg plus. Think everyone is drunk on the insane stack heights that shoes have nowadays. Something that can still give pop with a low stack is awesome.
Fully agree. I'm also a huge fan of the Adios range, have been for a long time. The Adios 9 is maybe the most anticipated shoe for me right now. I can't wait to do the comparisons between the Peg Plus and Adios 9!
Weird that almost everyone is absolutely trashing the peg plus for being overpriced and having a dull ride compared to competitors, yet you seem to love it so much. Guess nothing could work for everyone.
It’s all subjective. I’m a big fan of the Nike Streakfly and the Peg Plus is the logic evolution of that shoe…. But refined for a training application. I’m always going to call it like I see it on this channel and if you watched anything on it you’ll know that this shoe is nearly ideal for my tastes while the shoes everyone is comparing it too are generally not. I’ll have some comparisons out in the coming days to give this shoe more context.
A lot of those reviewers are number chasers that will quibble over a half ounce or a couple grams that believe everything has to be a super trainer type shoe.
This is only the 3rd review vid of this have seen and really only the 2nd actual review so I would say the scores are now even between those who like the shoe and the infamous reviewer who now gets sore feet over 6 miles unless got at least 30mm stack under his toes so got to conclude was an effective dislike. For sure we see comments from viewers on those vids that align with those review thoughts but maybe they are also runners who can only run in massive stack shoes so got to conclude can't have really ever liked the original Turbos either.
Thanks for the thorough review. I’ve watched your Nike shoe rotation video, and was wondering where you’d see this Pegasus Plus fitting into that? I imagine where the Streakfly sits?
Kind of... the Peg Plus has more range though. Basically the rotation is Peg41/Peg Plus/VF3. I will update the Nike rotation video as soon as Nike releases a few more important shoes...there are some changes in it.
So does it feel like true ZoomX to you? I know Nike doesn’t like to talk about it but the iteration of ZoomX does seem to differ between the invincible, vaporfly, etc. Would you say it’s closer to the invincible?
It is ZoomX. The rubberized version is a little firmer but still has the most of the compliance and all of the resilience of ZoomX. The foam in the Peg Plus is closer to the foam that was in the Streakfly, which was similar to the Invincible.
Just got a pair of these and they felt good during the fitting. Excited to run in them. The feel of the outsole of this shoe reminded me of the NB Rebel v4. But I prefer the Flyknit upper on this one rather than the Fantom Fit.
In my mind, you can't compare them. ZoomX is such a better foam, totally different league, regardless on what I think of the fit and design of the Rebel v4.
@@SagasuRunningJust had my first run in them and it was a blast. 10km tempo/speed run and the Peg Plus handled it really well. I was first concerned with the ground feel but the ZoomX still gave sublime cushioning. The upper felt really good. Now I know how ZoomX feels like without a plate and with a lower stack height. Nike nailed it with this one.
Curious to see how this and the adios 9 will compare, leaks show full light strike pro midsole so low stack performance trainers with race foams seem to be coming into the market and im happy for it
I cannot wait to compare the two. It’s going to be one of the most important conversations of 2024. It’s refreshing to see shoes like this finally coming to market. I fully agree.
I still occasionally run in my three pairs of Peg Turbo 1s… Each pair has 1,000+ miles, but cushion and rebound still there. Of course my Peg Turbo 2s the uppers self-destructed.
@@SagasuRunning Believe it or not, I’m not exaggerating… Amazingly they still save my problematic knees even after all this time, mileage, and comparatively low (compared to today) stack height. That said, I also have some NB and Mizuno shoes from the same period (2018-2019) those shoes are bricks, the foam is pretty much turned to rock.
I loved how narrow v2 was - but do you think going wider affects the ride? Takumi went wider but it’s still solid (I know you liked how it opened up a little). I like lower stack shoes and ground contact . I also like big drops, don’t tell anyone
The Takumi really didn’t go wider in the contact patch of the outside, more in the last and upper, which makes the shoe so much more usable. I too preferred the fit of the Turbo 2. The Peg Plus feels similar to the Turbo 1 though. It’s somewhere between the Turbo 1 and Peg 41. The extra width here makes the shoe very stable and channels the energy of the midsole well. It’s the first ZoomX shoe, they has no plate, that feels like it doesn’t want to go everywhere all at once. That’s the extra width and engineering in the midsole doing that. As for the drop. The Peg Plus does not feel big to be due to ZoomX sink. In fact I barely notice the drop in the shoe. I am often aware of it in the Peg 41 though. Overall I’m fine with a drop anywhere from 0-10, I can move between them with little to no problems. The thing with the drop in the Peg Plus is they is doesn’t feel like a negative drop at all, which is vital for run ability in the shoe. Your secret is safe with me.
The design reminds me of that abysmal release of the Turbo Next Nature. I tried giving that shoe a chance, but the ride was horrendous. I eventually sold it. The recycled ZoomX on that shoe was very inconsistent. I'd take a low stack EVA foam than that crap. The Asics Hyperspeed performed much better. I will try to pick up this shoe eventually when it goes on deep discount.
I also had the Turbo Next Nature. I don’t even really like it casually. There is a definite design reference too it, more like a refinement, but the Peg Plus is a much much better shoe.
It is such an upgrade you can't even compare them. The Turbo NN was the anomaly in the line. it had nothing to do with the Turbo 1, 2 and now the Peg Plus. So if that is your first and only experience with the Turbo....you are in for a massive shift, but a shift that is actually the "Turbo" feel, the Turbo NN was not...
Agreed, i was looking to buy the streakfly, but the peg plus seems well suited for track interval sessions I’m not sure about using it for easy/long runs, because my vomero 17’s seem better for that.
The original (v.1) looks a little better in my opinion- sleeker side profile. I was lucky to pick up a black pair at a Nike Outlet for only about $85. I still wear them and they still feel great. I had just come off 3 or 4 straight years of using the standard Pegs and the Turbo really felt next level. Just bought a pair of Adidas SL 2.0 for my weekly runs and that's another amazing shoe. Greetings from Alicante, Spain.
The Peg Plus looks better (and leaner) in person. The midsole sidewalls are deceptive visually. Regardless, it runs much better than the Turbo 1/2. Much better midsole engineering and ZoomX formula.
@@SagasuRunning Yes the sidewalls on the Turbo 1 was partially painted so I guess that gives the illusion of the sidewall being sleeker. Of course it's all about the running experience and looking forward to your comparison's with the Adidas SL 2.0
Just came across this one again as I did an 8.5 mile run in these yesterday. Yes 2.5 miles more than is "possible" so thought I was doing well. That said I did have a few issues which felt a bit like PF ones that been struggling with all summer and then I thought this does not feel like a 10mm drop shoe and more like a 6mm - exactly as you said. I was also thinking "oh no" this shoe is "bottoming out" but actually I think it is just me perhaps needing a little a bit more "actual" drop at the moment.
I've pushed this shoe into alot of paces and put alot of force into the forefoot and have yet to "bottom out". The Rubberized ZoomX foam in this shoe will compress but it always returns the energy. I also enjoy the ground feel. Then again this shoe is a workout shoe for me, the only easy running I do in it is between reps or a warmup/cool down when on the road. It suits my purposes well and I'm very impressed with it. ...and yes, 2.5mi more than possible. Imagine that!
@@SagasuRunning yeah I was plodding along at an average of 9:00 pace on a rather hilly route day after a session so not at my "Sunday best". My left ankle area has been troubling me for a while and I think I was bit "fried" from "yesterday" and think I just needed something a bit less "racy". That said I choose the Pegs for the run thinking would be better being a bit lighter on the hills.
I prefered the upper on the Turbo 2. it was lighter and fit my foot better. The upper and fit of the Next Natures was awful. The Peg Plus upper is wonderful.
@@SagasuRunning The upper on the second gen was lighter but the material was a little bit stiffer instead of the plush material of the 1st gen. I still have 4 pairs I ration out for runs. Second gen appeared to tear more easily on the sides also.
Very interested to see how it compares to SL2’s. Is it good enough as well for easy runs or in mix workouts ? Is harsh so low to the ground or the ZoomX does provide enough for long runs? I enjoy the SL2 very much thanks to you.
Yes to all of your questions. I will have a full comparison video up between the SL2 and Plus this weekend...but the achieve similar results in very different ways. The SL2 is more cushioned and more rolling due to it's geometry...but the Plus is more lively and responsive due to the full ZoomX midsole and lower stack. Both are fast, the Plus is more stable. People will definitely prefer one over the other. Stay tuned, full thoughts soon.
@@SagasuRunning That really good news. I’ll stay tune no doubt. Thanks for all the extra adds, technical and historical perspective combined with the user experience of the shoe it’s unique.
It’s my pleasure. Understanding the history of a product gives a lot of insight into the context of the design choices made. It’s very important not to overlook that. Products rarely come from a vacuum.
How would this compare to the Next Nature? I got a pair of that last summer for $50 and loved it. I never ran in the original Turbo models so I can't compare to it
You can't compare them. The Turbo NN was a brick. it was objectively awful as a Turbo. As a running shoe it was fine, Nike would have got less hate if they called it the "Pegasus Next Nature", but adding the "Turbo" name to it was an insult. It had nothing to to with the performance feel of the OG turbos. I wore my NNs casually for a bit (I didn't like the shape of the shoe an fit though) and used them as a casual trail runner for a bit.
How do you think this compares to the Invincible 3? Does it have a similar feel? The invincible 3 has been my go to shoe for a while, but I want something with a similar feel for long runs and low key workouts when I don’t want to wear vaporflies. I like the Pegasus 41 too, but I just want something more responsive.
It's been about a year since I ran in the I3, but the Plus doesn't feel another like what I remember. The Plus is more nimble and responsive, much easier to pick up the pace and accelerate instantly (Vaporlfy like in that regard). For me, this would be the go-to shoe for long runs under 25k, anything longer I think I'd like the carbon. It also depends on how acclimated your feet are to lower stack shoes.
good for a beginner compared to the vomero 17? looking for my first daily trainer. not really interested in doing super long runs goal is around 15 miles week as cardio
Two very different shoes for very different purposes, very little overlap. The Peg Plus is a performance trainer best for threshold running and faster (think speed work) while the Superblast 2 is a long run trainer best for marathon pace in over 25k runs... very different.
Do you think the exposed zoomX on the bottom can deal with gravelroads? Everything else about this shoe sound just like what I'm looking for. But I'm a bit worried about the resilience of the exposed foam. Did you try it on gravel or dirtroads?
There is alot of construction/lot clearing on part of my daily route. So I've been running over alot of gravel/sand/grit on asphalt and have seen no issues as of yet. That being said, if you are a true midfoot striker...it could be an issue...but as a forefoot striker I'm not seeing much damage. I will keep an eye on it and do a durability checkin, prior to my long term review, if I feel it is warranted.
@@marcusszavaleta Nike still releases batches of Streak LTs and Streak Splats occasionally. Keep and eye on Nike’s website. They are random. The Streakfly 2 will be a plated shoe. So the Peg Plus may be the only non plated option for this from Nike. Though the Adidas Adios 9 will be an amazing option as is the Asics Hyper Speed 4.
I never tried on a Pegasus Turbo but know how impressive of a proposal it was before 2020. In the current landscape, however, training shoes with race day-oriented foams are a lot more common than they were four years ago. How does Nike's Pegasus Plus stack up against today's competition? My suspicion is that the Pegasus Plus with ZoomX isn't "new" enough to compete with other options on the market. Also, how do you think the Pegasus Plus could fair at the marathon distance?
I don't know...ZoomX is hard to beat and a full midsole of it, with no carrier foams or other "tech" is even harder to beat. I'll have comparisons up in the coming days between the Plus and the SL2 and the ES4, which I think are it's main competition. I'm not sure about this for a full marathon. I mean, there is no reason you can't, especially if your feet are acclimated to lower stack shoes. However, this shoe is a trainer, a performance trainer, but still a trainer. Distinctly not for racing, though it handles those speeds well.
Is it correct to assume that these, or any Zoom X shoes for that matter, wouldn’t support 250lbs? I’ve never owned Nike shoes, but I think you’ve sold me. Perhaps I should wait until I hit my goal weight (195lbs)?
I mean…. They will, to a point. You’ll over power them on all our running and the overall distance should get out of a pair are limited. But if you use them as a workout shoe they will work, to a point.
I'm used to running in Pegs so a 10mm drop or a sub-30mm forefoot stack aren't necessarily deal-breakers for me. The Supernova Rise also fit that criteria and they run pretty damn good so far (only put 68k in them), although I think the actual drop for me may be less than 10mm. Curious to see how the Plus compares to the SL2 in that performance trainer category.
The SNR is still the better long run trainer. If I wanted a flexible and low stack shoe for long runs (over 25k) it would be the SNR. The Peg Plus has much more performance...and does compare directly with the SL2. I'll have my comparisons up between the two this weekend.
Chris, you mentioned it has a wide platform in the forefoot, how does it compare to the streakfly in terms of platform width? When I tried the SF I loved the feeling of it but I could feel my feet spilling over the edge of the midsole on the medial side, kinda between the arch and the forefoot
I didn’t measure it but I’d say it’s about 8-10mm at least on the outsole .More importantly though, there are sidewalls on the midsole and the sculpting of the sidewall contain and support the foot. It’s a much more stable and sure footed ride than the Streakfly.
Pegasus 35 turbo still is my favorite shoe, even though the outsole wore out really quickly. Might try the new one as the Pegasus Turbo Next Nature is not that great.
Is there a meaningful difference between men’s and women’s shoes? In my area, I sometimes have a problem finding a men’s shoe my size, but my equivalent size is available in women’s. If it’s only a difference in color way, it doesn’t matter to me so long as I can get the shoe I want.
Typically speaking women’s shoes have narrower lasts in the midfoot and heel as well as softer foams for lighter body weights. Often they will have lower volume uppers too. That being said, I have no idea what the differences are on the Peg Plus. Given Nike’s recent emphasis on the anatomical differences of female runners in their performance shoes (AF3) I wouldn’t be surprised if there were sizable differences in the Plus. However, we won’t really know until more reviewers get them and the sites like RunRepeat that do tear-downs can analyze.
Hello - why so heavy for all zoomx and not even close to the 40mm height? Is from the outsole or flyknit materials? Little disappointing. Much heavier then streakfly as u mention in video and both similar in stack height. I have bought a couple streakfly’s and list for $170 and both pairs got at $110 on sale. The plus here at $180 seems excessive. I’ve got 500 miles with both streakfly so durability of streakfly not issue for me. In end for me streakfly much better as much cheaper (many sites can get on sale) and much lighter.
This shoe is built as a trainer, not a stripped down racer like the Streakfly. Much more durability built into this shoe. As a trainer the weight is great. I'm not disappointed at all. Especially that most of the performance is here from the Streakfly. If you got that kind of durability out of the Streakfly, these will last you forever. They could lighten this a few grams with a revised outsole and less padding in the ankle/heel area...but again, these are trainers, not racers.
I wish they called this the Turbo and left it as is and released a Pegasus Plus with some more stack and better outsole tread to compete with the SuperBlast for a long run training tool. For me personally as a bigger runner I will stick with Adidas's lightstrike pro and dreamstrike trainers, the streakfly was way too mushy for me. I have always been a Nike guy though so for pure nostalgia purposes I will have to trial a pair of these
That's not the purpose of the Pegasus line. The Vomero line is their cushioned line. You want to keep your eye out for the Vomero Plus and likely the Vomero Premium (Nike's answer to the Superblast/Prime X). The Vomero Plus is supposed to come out in Sept/Oct... no clue about the Vomero Premium.
Ya, I’m not sure either. I’ve heard “Sept” from a few sources. Nike is going to “release” the new tier approach and part of that is the Vomero Plus. Supposedly around the same time as the Zoom Fly 6. 🤷🏼♂️ Olympic years are always very odd. We will see what both Nike and Adidas actually release this fall.
If I look for an adidas to compare with these, the one that comes to mind is the SL2, which is 50 us cheaper. Is the peg plus worth it or even actually better than the SL2?
I'll have a comparison up between these two shoe this weekend. There are performance differences for sure and some will definitely prefer one over the other. I never look at price as a variable for a shoe.
It’s been a while since I wore the I3 but I wore size US Men’s size 9 in both. From memory though the Peg Plus feels slightly longer, not as much as a half size, but maybe a quarter size longer.
Likely not. It’s much much more minimal than the Tempo and will feel totally different. You likely want to keep an eye out for the upcoming Zoom Fly 6. That will be the closest Nike makes and its direct replacement. It should be released in the next few weeks.
Looking forward to your comparisons for this one. Hoping for a comparison between the SL2. Not that it really matters I am buying the punch color to go with my OG Turbo anyway, but still curious ;)
Of course, the SL2 may be the shoe they compared most closely to this. I’ll also be doing the Peg 41 and Endorphin Speed 4. Later this year when a few other shoes launch I’ll do some additional comparisons. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Not as racey. The Streakfly’s fit is generous but still a race fit. The Plus is a proper training fit and the FlyKnit really hugs the foot as only FlyKnit can. The plus also feels slightly longer than the Streakfly.
If your over pronation is mild you’ll be ok. It’s a narrow mid foot but has a wide heel flare. If you have extreme over pronation… the ZoomX foam won’t offer much support. It’s definitely a neutral stable shoe, mostly due to the width. But ZoomX doesn’t offer a lot of natural support.
I would't. Two completely different shoes. The Peg Plus is a performance trainer. The Vomero 17 is a cushioned trainer. Zero overlap and relationship between the two.
I've made no secret I am a Nike fan. However, I take each shoe on it's merits and performance. The new Pegs are very good....I will always call it like I see it, regardless of the brand.
Did an interval session this evening with my club, running at 5:50 per mile for 11x 800m reps and actually had some issues, borderline kind of hurt me. I never usually have problems with my feet but actually have some ball/big toe problems after doing the session in the peg plus. Think, for me the peg turbo is going to be a more of a steady/tempo shoe for me rather than an interval shoe.
@@SagasuRunninghonestly I think it was the 10mm drop, I would usually do this kind of workout in the deviate nitro 2. Lesser drop with a plate in it, don’t usually notice any forefoot fatigue but I did in the peg plus. Maybe the higher drop was taking load from my calves and putting it into my foot.
@@SagasuRunningwasn’t on a track either, to be honest, not the best surface either. An old abandoned concrete airfield runway. Isn’t in the best condition.
@ThatRunnerAaron It could be. It could also be weaker feet from doing this type of work primarily in plated shoes. 11x800 is a big workout, especially at 800 pace.
I am intrigued witht the pegasus plus. However, it is not out yet in Australia. I can get sl2 for 40% off, and i think at that value is better proposition. But curjos how they compare.
I believe the Peg Plus’s global release is August 8. It oddly released in Singapore about 2 weeks ago and that means (due to Nike online) it’s also released in a handful of SE Asian countries, including Taiwan. An SL2 for 40% off is an outstanding deal. Even if I prefer the Pegasus Plus (which I do)…. That one is hard to pass up. Great shoe and a ton of value there!
Few occasionally rocks on the road and RIP to the middle of the outsole with the exposed zoomX. For the price it will go for, at least they could have covered the outsole bit more strategically. Adidas SL 2 and Hoka Mach 6 will go for less and offer basically similar things. I used to love Nike shoes but now they are overpriced and outperformed by other brands.
Agree on the outsole layout, though it does work. I've had to run over gravel on asphalt in this shoe on every run (there is alot of construction and lot clearing on part of my daily route) and have had no issues with the exposed area. This formula of ZoomX seems very durable. That being said, it wouldn't be mu first choice for gravel roads, especially as a midfoot striker. I'll be back with a durability checkin video on this one in Sept I think...
If I'm a mid/forefoot striker, why would I need so much foam in the heel?? thats the problem with the 10mm drop, you have useless foam in the heel, and no foam where you need it. even my invincible 3 feels "dead" in comparision with other lower drop shoes
ZoomX is so compressive if you had a low drop in this shoe it would feel like a negative drop and be very awkward to run in. Also as a midfoot striker you actually benefit from a high drop. It helps stabilize your foot strike.
@@SagasuRunning actually you're right, my vaporfly 2, feel like negative drop when standing or walking. but who cares, I use tthem for running, vaporfly 2 are not even ment for heelstrike, because they have almost no outsole in the heel the problem for me, is that recently nike shoes feel too "dead". invincible 2 felt better than invincible 3 pegs 37, feel much better than pegs 39-40 peg 37 you can really feel that big air unit under the toes
the price of the nike pegasus plus is just odd, the streakfly is cheaper in my country for the tech that is better than the pegs plus except for the durabilty and the streakfly is easily available on sale.
It’s Nike’s new pricing strategy, which I outlined. Honestly, I rarely look at the prices of shoes. I had to go look them up to see where they sat. I do agree the SF, on current sales, is a good deal. Hard to pass up. Though the Peg Plus is a better shoe all around. Peg Plus vs SL2 is the next video up on the channel. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning it's just that i don't see how the current strategy would benefit nike against it's growing competitor. Anyway, keep the good content coming 👍
Well… ya, but the Peg Plus is priced similar to the ES4, which honestly may be the shoe it compares the most close too. It’s also the same price as the Turbo 2 was… which 5 years on is remarkable. As always, thank you for the support. So much more coming. 🤙🏻
Kind of but not really. The Peg Plus has a much better foam and much less bulk, making it much more versatile, especially for speed workouts. The SB2 is a great shoe but only really useful for long runs with marathon pace in them.
@@SagasuRunning i cant believe you actually take the time to reply to everyone especially with the amount of comments. Appreciate your effort 🙏. Also cant imagine how good you’ll be if you become a bike reviewer
It was universally poorly reviewed and not worthy of the “Turbo” name. Literally everyone disliked the shoe, which is why Nike tried to make it go away. If they would have just called it the “Pegasus Next Nature” or something like that it would not have been as universally hated. It was a decent casual shoe that you could jog in occasionally…. But not much more.
If you order the look of the UBx5, it can be. It is a bit more of a casual shoe you can run in. I’d still pick the Pegasus 41, I think it’s a better looking shoe. I've made a video on how to start to build a running shoe rotation, from a true beginner onward. It even has shoes I'd recommend for each category. Running Shoe Rotations Explained - How to build a rotation at all runner levels. ua-cam.com/video/5z4cY1deQqY/v-deo.html I've also made a video on how to pick the right trainer for various preferences; Which daily trainer is right for your running? ua-cam.com/video/QOWYk1k90HY/v-deo.html Hopefully these both help you. Welcome to running. 🤙🏻
Sounds like a decent remake….. but wouldn’t feel inspired to buy unless a compelling reason to go for this over the markets leading performance trainers…. Eg Boston 12, end speed 4 etc
The Plus is a very different shoe than the B12...but does compare closely with the use case of the ES4, I'll have a comparison up early next week on them.
I'm so hyped that I took out my Peg Turbo 2 out for a run...
I store my shoes by room temperatur and dry condition... I dont think they lost much of the pop, but you can definitely feel it is an older shoe. Mine got only 40miles in. The hype was gone kinda fast, but was not a unpleasent run.
I had the glue issues that the tip started to seperate from the react foam after like 20miles but nothing that shoeglue couldnt save.
Your drop explaination is on point. As you maybe remember I'm a big fan of the chinese brands, especially Xtep and li-Ning, the "legendary" Xtep 160x 3.0 Pro, what many see as the "holy grail" has exact the problem you mention! The heel is SO soft that you notice that it becomes a HUUUGE negative drop. What makes the shoe very unpleasent to stand in, especially because it also has the most rigged forefoot experience of all shoes I know its like a firm cliff. As a midfoot striker I dont notice it during a run, but real heelstrikers... oh boy. Still an amazing shoe. But since that I dont look too much of the drop except when I see EVA foams like PWRRUN or Cushlon.
The 30mm claim I dont get... I almost have only max cushion shoes (which I notice is may not the best), but I can get into my hyper pink peg36 with 300miles in and do a 12miler with no problem... is it as enjoyable as in max cushion shoes? For sure not... is it more healthy, may be not... but totally doable.
And I have the power of turtle in me... means I'm a slower more heavy runner.
Personal question, and I know you dont really like to do that but:
From our chat, and the comments... would you rather say go for the Peg41 or the Peg Plus. Especially in mind that the cold times are lying ahead here in Germany.
Especially as an re-entry to less is more and to train footstrenght finally.
I was hoping the Peg Plus is softer in the forfoot area than the peg41.
Thank you for the review!
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I enjoyed the Peg Turbos, I have 5 pairs (as I said) but all of them had some issue, packed out ZoomX, delamination, upper issues. Overall I MUCH preferred the Peg37 over the Turbos and was happy it replaced them. I've never really had any desire to go back in run in the Turbos, even for nostalgia.
The 30mm forefoot thing is a bit of a joke for me and a few others now... it is ridiculous.
I know why you are asking about the colder temps headed your way. The ReactX in the Peg41 is still React and TPU doesn't like cold temps. I'm curious how "bricky" the more air'y injection molded ReactX will get. Luckily, about the coldest temps we ever see here in Taipei are 8-9c (that is "ice cold" dead of winter too). I may be spending some time in actual winter temps this year elsewhere...but we shall see.
The Peg Plus is much "softer" in the forefoot than the Peg41. Both feel similar in how they cushion your foot...but they achieve it in different ways and feels. I'll talk about this in my upcoming comparisons between the 41 and the Plus on Friday.
The Pegasus 34 was a lovely shoe.
I totally agree - I have three pairs of Peg Turbo 1s, they’re still great, no exaggeration.
Great for explaining the dynamic drop.
Drops in very compliant foams are a reference at best. Especially so in ZoomX… even more so when a plate is not present.
Good review as ever and confirmed one that is of interest to me (think due for 8th Aug release here in the UK) as the Peg Turbo 1 and 2 were the shoes I ran in the most when were current and I even got 170 miles out of the Next Nature ones. Of course now I am 6 years older and slower I am just hoping I can still run in shoes with less than 30mm stack under my toes. At least I have been "learning" to do so in the Peg 41s of late.
Make sure you don't run more than 6 miles in them...it's just not possible! Be VERY careful if you do.
I didn't know you got that many miles out the the Turbo NN...if you did that you'll love these. Though I'm curious how the upper will fit your foot.
We will discuss these and the Peg41 once you get some miles into the Plus...
You’ve sold me. I’m a 2:40 marathoner. Love the alphafly 3 hated the alphafly 2.
Nikes training lineup has been disappointing and I’ve moved over to adidas (Boston 12 daily and prime x2 for long runs) and asics (novablast daily superblast long runs). On race day I’m always a Nike guy, I have the edge Paris and the pro 3 and nothing runs like the af 3. The peg plus I’m hoping pulls me back to Nike for daily running.
Given your other options for daily shoes it might not…. But you’ll find it a very valuable non plated workout shoes at the very least. It especially pairs well with the AF3… it really fills in the blanks of what the shoe is missing.
Now I am in trouble.. Love Alphafly V2 😂
The AF2 was an amazing shoe honestly it sounds like a YOU problem
AF2 was good but the problem is AF1 and AF3 is so much better
@macewindex564 SOOO much better…
Nice review, really trust your opinions. Knowing how much you love the product design, it is good to hear you glow on the non-heritage aspects of this shoe. Loved the streakfly, but it felt like it was about to disappear in a puff of smoke after just 2 medium length runs. Really looking forward to a 100 mile review and comparisons to other performance daily trainers out there.
Ha, that is such a good description of the Streakfly. I hadn't worn them in a while (since last fall) and when I put them on, in my studio, as I described in this video...I was shocked how minimal and lightweight they are. Ive been running alot in the VF3, AF3, MSEP and TS10 lately too...all of them feel "bigger" than the Streakfly....
I may be back with a durability checkin on these, if I see the need and the long term review may be over 100mi as I'll hit that fairly soon in these.
Great review. Glad to hear it feels more like a 6-8mm drop.
Definitely does. 👍🏻
I’ve been waiting for this video! Awesome review as usual!
Thank you for watching. It’s an exciting shoe for sure!
My excitement is palpable to try these. I’m digging the launch colors too
I’ve seen 10-12 colorways of this shoe in leaks. For Nike they are very understated. I do like this black one the best though.
Best rotation I ever had was Peg 36, Turbo 1/2, Vaporfly 1. I'm drooling over a Peg 41, Peg Plus, Invincible 3, and Vaporfly 3/4 rotation.
That is definitely going to be a hard rotation to better moving forward. Very similar to what I'll be running in this summer into the fall.
Amazing video as always! My Streakflys are coming up on 250+ miles. I’ve strictly used them as a trainer at the track and I can definitely feel the cushioning dying off slowly. The sole isn’t as bad as I thought it would get and I still use them when I need that speed. I almost jumped out my seat when you brought it out on the video 😮 absolutely can’t wait to get my hands on a pair
You are going to love these then. Those of us who really fell in love with the Streakfly, but wanted more durability without sacrificing (all of) the feel.... have our shoe now.
Very nice quality review as always! I really love the depth of the details and comparison you always have. It makes for great insight for newcomers to the running world. Thanks once again for the insight! Will be checking out the Peg Plus soon! 👍🏁
Thank you for the feedback and kind words. I really appreciate it. Thank you for watching! I hope all of this helps you start on the right foot on your running journey. 🤙🏻
Definitely a shoe I will consider buying once I mile out my current shoes
It will likley be worth the wait. it's quite good.
Great video. Can’t wait to pickup a pair when they launch here in the US “coming soon”. I greatly appreciate the design and history lessons together. ❤😊
Aug 8 as far as I know. Thank you for watching. Enjoy them when you go out for your first run. They are a special shoe.
Hey, man, I just want to express how much I appreciate your videos. In my opinion, you have the most informative reviews on UA-cam.
Also, you sold me on getting a pair of these, even though I definitely don't need them. 😅 I've got so many Streakflys sitting around, but I really do want to experience the Peg Plus. I also have two OG Peg Turbos, one brand new, sitting too. It will be interesting to compare the feel of each shoe simultaneously.
I appreciate the kind words on the content. Thank you for watching!
If you enjoyed the Streakfly that much you will really love the Peg Plus. I'd also be curious about your impressions moving from the OG Turbo to the Peg Plus, the Peg Plus will feel like such a bigger shoe (much closer to the Streakfly).
@@SagasuRunning, I'll let you know once I get my pair of Peg Plus! And you're more than welcome. Seriously, your videos are outstanding!
I look forward to it. Again, thank you for the support. 🤙🏻
Been a Nike loyalist since 1980. The turbo works well for me. I’d estimate that I went through 13-14 pairs from T1 thru T3.
Beyond excited for the plus! Your review builds my confidence that it will be the best version to date.
I called Nike and asked to test a pair. Given my loyalty and purchase history, I thought I get a more favorable response. Instead, I was provided with the typical corporate dismissal. “Appreciate your loyalty, but we can’t help you”.
What infuriates me is that I can easily find reviews of the plus that are conducted by people who don’t appear to be runners. Yet, they have access?
Please don’t inform me that it’s done to boost sales. Don’t think Nike has any problems moving products. However, they do suffer from quality issues. This is especially evident in the retro air Jordan line. Nike’s product quality diminished when it left Taiwan.
I can go on and on but I’ll stop. Thank you for indulging me. “Just Do It” - I want to but I need new running shoes and cannot afford to waste money on a competitor shoe to bridge the gap.
I'm not sure I'm following this comment... I re read it multiple times and still can't understand. Sorry.
@@SagasuRunning Pardon. Please allow me to edit.
I'm getting more excited for this shoe every day. I have no problem with a 10mm drop. I actually prefer it.
The flyknit looks like what was on the flyknit lunar 2 & 3.
I'm surprised that the Streakfly has more stack in the forefoot. Visually it looks like it has less but perhaps the foot sits below the exterior foam in the Pegasus Plus.
Ya, the Plus had sidewalls in the midsole and they make the stack heights very deceptive. I'll be very curious about the specs of the shoe, once there is a consensus out there post launch. Maybe Nike will even bless us with actual specs?!?!
Great review! I enjoy seeing your appreciation for lower stack/lower to the ground feeling shoes.
I enjoy the fact brands are finally making this type of shoe again. It’s about time! This one is excellent too.
I value a lot your perspective and experience. Your content is technical and translates running shoe characteristics for me real well (that real drop feel for this shoe). What I constantly find to dislike (and it does hurt your credibility), is that you revolve only in the Nike world. I would really like to see some alternatives for the shoes that you review from other brands.
I like to have options. I will always choose by on foot feel, but I like to have them presented. Maybe some shoe is not available in Romania (think Puma).
Nike must work on quality. One example is anufacturing quality: factory specs do not match product specs (see runnrepeat for details).
You could improve your experience and reviews (in my opinion) by including other brands.
Thank you for a good instructive review!
Oddly this is only my 2nd Nike I’ve reviewed in 2024. I’ve covered more Adidas and Asics shoes this year and an equal number of Saucony.
That being said, I cover what is interesting to me. I primarily run in Nike and Adidas, and occasionally Asics. That’s why you see those brands primarily. I’m also making a point to do cross brand comparisons, my “vs” videos for important models. They will be coming for the Pegasus Plus.
I have made a point to branch out into other brands this year and my review and editorial lens has been quite broad. Again, it’s what’s interesting to me to run in and cover. Many of the “popular” shoes of the moment I am simply not interested in running in…. Which is why I don’t cover them.
I also am no longer covering every shoe from every line. There are a handful or important Nikes this year as well as (many more) Adidas shoes. But I’m not covering each line completely, or trying too.
Lastly, even though I am an American I live abroad and try to focus on details that matter to everyone. Not just US centric prices and sales and what’s only really common in the US.
I am doing my best to be as proud as possible…. But I’m only one runner…. And I plan to keep this channel my singular voice.
I appreciate the feedback and comment though. Thank you for taking the time to give me your opinion. 👍🏻
@@SagasuRunning thank you for the answer
Again, thank you for your perspective as well. I really appreciate it.
When you talk about runners who prefer a lower to the ground feel, I love the adidas adios range, so I’m really excited to try the peg plus. Think everyone is drunk on the insane stack heights that shoes have nowadays. Something that can still give pop with a low stack is awesome.
Fully agree. I'm also a huge fan of the Adios range, have been for a long time. The Adios 9 is maybe the most anticipated shoe for me right now. I can't wait to do the comparisons between the Peg Plus and Adios 9!
I'm waiting for my fav colorway of this shoe! This thing is going to be very good!
Which one is that? We have seen 6 or 7 all together in leaks.
Weird that almost everyone is absolutely trashing the peg plus for being overpriced and having a dull ride compared to competitors, yet you seem to love it so much. Guess nothing could work for everyone.
It’s all subjective. I’m a big fan of the Nike Streakfly and the Peg Plus is the logic evolution of that shoe…. But refined for a training application.
I’m always going to call it like I see it on this channel and if you watched anything on it you’ll know that this shoe is nearly ideal for my tastes while the shoes everyone is comparing it too are generally not.
I’ll have some comparisons out in the coming days to give this shoe more context.
A lot of those reviewers are number chasers that will quibble over a half ounce or a couple grams that believe everything has to be a super trainer type shoe.
This is only the 3rd review vid of this have seen and really only the 2nd actual review so I would say the scores are now even between those who like the shoe and the infamous reviewer who now gets sore feet over 6 miles unless got at least 30mm stack under his toes so got to conclude was an effective dislike. For sure we see comments from viewers on those vids that align with those review thoughts but maybe they are also runners who can only run in massive stack shoes so got to conclude can't have really ever liked the original Turbos either.
You mean those people who didn't even wear it for any amount of time?
Its $20 cheaper than the superblast and the same price as turbo 1 and 2 so idk the price hike complaints
Thanks for the thorough review. I’ve watched your Nike shoe rotation video, and was wondering where you’d see this Pegasus Plus fitting into that? I imagine where the Streakfly sits?
Kind of... the Peg Plus has more range though. Basically the rotation is Peg41/Peg Plus/VF3.
I will update the Nike rotation video as soon as Nike releases a few more important shoes...there are some changes in it.
So does it feel like true ZoomX to you? I know Nike doesn’t like to talk about it but the iteration of ZoomX does seem to differ between the invincible, vaporfly, etc. Would you say it’s closer to the invincible?
It is ZoomX. The rubberized version is a little firmer but still has the most of the compliance and all of the resilience of ZoomX. The foam in the Peg Plus is closer to the foam that was in the Streakfly, which was similar to the Invincible.
Just got a pair of these and they felt good during the fitting. Excited to run in them.
The feel of the outsole of this shoe reminded me of the NB Rebel v4. But I prefer the Flyknit upper on this one rather than the Fantom Fit.
In my mind, you can't compare them. ZoomX is such a better foam, totally different league, regardless on what I think of the fit and design of the Rebel v4.
@@SagasuRunningJust had my first run in them and it was a blast. 10km tempo/speed run and the Peg Plus handled it really well. I was first concerned with the ground feel but the ZoomX still gave sublime cushioning. The upper felt really good. Now I know how ZoomX feels like without a plate and with a lower stack height. Nike nailed it with this one.
@mfcc1084 I told ya. This one is special if you give it a chance. Glad it worked out for you. Enjoy them.
Amazing video!!!! Thank you
I hope it was useful. 🤙🏻
Curious to see how this and the adios 9 will compare, leaks show full light strike pro midsole so low stack performance trainers with race foams seem to be coming into the market and im happy for it
I cannot wait to compare the two. It’s going to be one of the most important conversations of 2024.
It’s refreshing to see shoes like this finally coming to market. I fully agree.
I still occasionally run in my three pairs of Peg Turbo 1s…
Each pair has 1,000+ miles, but cushion and rebound still there.
Of course my Peg Turbo 2s the uppers self-destructed.
Wow… I’m shocked there is anything left with that type of mileage.
And yes…. The Turbo 2s self-destructed quickly….
@@SagasuRunning Believe it or not, I’m not exaggerating… Amazingly they still save my problematic knees even after all this time, mileage, and comparatively low (compared to today) stack height.
That said, I also have some NB and Mizuno shoes from the same period (2018-2019) those shoes are bricks, the foam is pretty much turned to rock.
I loved how narrow v2 was - but do you think going wider affects the ride? Takumi went wider but it’s still solid (I know you liked how it opened up a little). I like lower stack shoes and ground contact . I also like big drops, don’t tell anyone
The Takumi really didn’t go wider in the contact patch of the outside, more in the last and upper, which makes the shoe so much more usable.
I too preferred the fit of the Turbo 2. The Peg Plus feels similar to the Turbo 1 though. It’s somewhere between the Turbo 1 and Peg 41. The extra width here makes the shoe very stable and channels the energy of the midsole well. It’s the first ZoomX shoe, they has no plate, that feels like it doesn’t want to go everywhere all at once. That’s the extra width and engineering in the midsole doing that.
As for the drop. The Peg Plus does not feel big to be due to ZoomX sink. In fact I barely notice the drop in the shoe. I am often aware of it in the Peg 41 though. Overall I’m fine with a drop anywhere from 0-10, I can move between them with little to no problems.
The thing with the drop in the Peg Plus is they is doesn’t feel like a negative drop at all, which is vital for run ability in the shoe.
Your secret is safe with me.
The design reminds me of that abysmal release of the Turbo Next Nature. I tried giving that shoe a chance, but the ride was horrendous. I eventually sold it. The recycled ZoomX on that shoe was very inconsistent. I'd take a low stack EVA foam than that crap. The Asics Hyperspeed performed much better. I will try to pick up this shoe eventually when it goes on deep discount.
I also had the Turbo Next Nature. I don’t even really like it casually. There is a definite design reference too it, more like a refinement, but the Peg Plus is a much much better shoe.
I'm coming from the next nature. Do you think it's a worthwhile upgrade? How does it compare in terms of cushioning, rebound, and stack height feel?
It is such an upgrade you can't even compare them. The Turbo NN was the anomaly in the line. it had nothing to do with the Turbo 1, 2 and now the Peg Plus. So if that is your first and only experience with the Turbo....you are in for a massive shift, but a shift that is actually the "Turbo" feel, the Turbo NN was not...
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the response!
Agreed, i was looking to buy the streakfly, but the peg plus seems well suited for track interval sessions I’m not sure about using it for easy/long runs, because my vomero 17’s seem better for that.
It is more geared to faster running anyway...good plan.
The original (v.1) looks a little better in my opinion- sleeker side profile. I was lucky to pick up a black pair at a Nike Outlet for only about $85. I still wear them and they still feel great. I had just come off 3 or 4 straight years of using the standard Pegs and the Turbo really felt next level. Just bought a pair of Adidas SL 2.0 for my weekly runs and that's another amazing shoe. Greetings from Alicante, Spain.
The Peg Plus looks better (and leaner) in person. The midsole sidewalls are deceptive visually.
Regardless, it runs much better than the Turbo 1/2. Much better midsole engineering and ZoomX formula.
The Plus looks better in person and runs considerably better than the Turbo 1/2. I’ll have a comparison between the Peg Plus and SL2 up this weekend.
@@SagasuRunning Yes the sidewalls on the Turbo 1 was partially painted so I guess that gives the illusion of the sidewall being sleeker. Of course it's all about the running experience and looking forward to your comparison's with the Adidas SL 2.0
Just came across this one again as I did an 8.5 mile run in these yesterday. Yes 2.5 miles more than is "possible" so thought I was doing well. That said I did have a few issues which felt a bit like PF ones that been struggling with all summer and then I thought this does not feel like a 10mm drop shoe and more like a 6mm - exactly as you said. I was also thinking "oh no" this shoe is "bottoming out" but actually I think it is just me perhaps needing a little a bit more "actual" drop at the moment.
I've pushed this shoe into alot of paces and put alot of force into the forefoot and have yet to "bottom out". The Rubberized ZoomX foam in this shoe will compress but it always returns the energy. I also enjoy the ground feel. Then again this shoe is a workout shoe for me, the only easy running I do in it is between reps or a warmup/cool down when on the road. It suits my purposes well and I'm very impressed with it.
...and yes, 2.5mi more than possible. Imagine that!
@@SagasuRunning yeah I was plodding along at an average of 9:00 pace on a rather hilly route day after a session so not at my "Sunday best". My left ankle area has been troubling me for a while and I think I was bit "fried" from "yesterday" and think I just needed something a bit less "racy". That said I choose the Pegs for the run thinking would be better being a bit lighter on the hills.
@TimGrose The 41s wouldn’t have handled that better…
@@SagasuRunning no probably not. Rest might have been better!
I preferred the original peg turbo as opposed to the 2. Won’t mention the 3(nature) but hoping this is an improved update from the 1🤞
I agree. I liked the first gen upper compared to the second.
I prefered the upper on the Turbo 2. it was lighter and fit my foot better. The upper and fit of the Next Natures was awful. The Peg Plus upper is wonderful.
@@SagasuRunning The upper on the second gen was lighter but the material was a little bit stiffer instead of the plush material of the 1st gen. I still have 4 pairs I ration out for runs. Second gen appeared to tear more easily on the sides also.
@@SagasuRunning this is the lower stack plateless shoe I have been waiting for to keep my feet awake and not becoming too lazy.
You and me both… and I suspect many others as well.
Very interested to see how it compares to SL2’s.
Is it good enough as well for easy runs or in mix workouts ?
Is harsh so low to the ground or the ZoomX does provide enough for long runs?
I enjoy the SL2 very much thanks to you.
Yes to all of your questions.
I will have a full comparison video up between the SL2 and Plus this weekend...but the achieve similar results in very different ways. The SL2 is more cushioned and more rolling due to it's geometry...but the Plus is more lively and responsive due to the full ZoomX midsole and lower stack. Both are fast, the Plus is more stable. People will definitely prefer one over the other.
Stay tuned, full thoughts soon.
@@SagasuRunning
That really good news.
I’ll stay tune no doubt.
Thanks for all the extra adds, technical and historical perspective combined with the user experience of the shoe it’s unique.
It’s my pleasure. Understanding the history of a product gives a lot of insight into the context of the design choices made. It’s very important not to overlook that. Products rarely come from a vacuum.
How would this compare to the Next Nature? I got a pair of that last summer for $50 and loved it. I never ran in the original Turbo models so I can't compare to it
You can't compare them. The Turbo NN was a brick. it was objectively awful as a Turbo. As a running shoe it was fine, Nike would have got less hate if they called it the "Pegasus Next Nature", but adding the "Turbo" name to it was an insult. It had nothing to to with the performance feel of the OG turbos.
I wore my NNs casually for a bit (I didn't like the shape of the shoe an fit though) and used them as a casual trail runner for a bit.
How do you think this compares to the Invincible 3? Does it have a similar feel? The invincible 3 has been my go to shoe for a while, but I want something with a similar feel for long runs and low key workouts when I don’t want to wear vaporflies. I like the Pegasus 41 too, but I just want something more responsive.
It's been about a year since I ran in the I3, but the Plus doesn't feel another like what I remember. The Plus is more nimble and responsive, much easier to pick up the pace and accelerate instantly (Vaporlfy like in that regard). For me, this would be the go-to shoe for long runs under 25k, anything longer I think I'd like the carbon. It also depends on how acclimated your feet are to lower stack shoes.
good for a beginner compared to the vomero 17? looking for my first daily trainer. not really interested in doing super long runs goal is around 15 miles week as cardio
I'd not recommend them for that. I'd recommend the Pegasus 41....or the Vomero 17, though IMO the Peg 41 is the better option.
What is your choice between Pegasus Plus and Superblast 2? Thank you!
Two very different shoes for very different purposes, very little overlap. The Peg Plus is a performance trainer best for threshold running and faster (think speed work) while the Superblast 2 is a long run trainer best for marathon pace in over 25k runs... very different.
Would these be a good casual everyday shoe? Or a shoe for the gym?
I’d recommend standard Pegasus 41’for that. It’s sort of rah that shoes intended for. The Pegasus Plus is more of a workout shoe.
Good memories from Peg 35/36.
Same...and making new ones in 2024.
Do you think the exposed zoomX on the bottom can deal with gravelroads? Everything else about this shoe sound just like what I'm looking for. But I'm a bit worried about the resilience of the exposed foam. Did you try it on gravel or dirtroads?
There is alot of construction/lot clearing on part of my daily route. So I've been running over alot of gravel/sand/grit on asphalt and have seen no issues as of yet. That being said, if you are a true midfoot striker...it could be an issue...but as a forefoot striker I'm not seeing much damage.
I will keep an eye on it and do a durability checkin, prior to my long term review, if I feel it is warranted.
I think i might use these on the track to do some non plated training intervals. Thanks for ur feedback bro🙏🏽
Having run a lot on track in the Streakfly...these should do well, though they are definitely built for the road.
@@SagasuRunning sounds awesome, thank you🙏🏽. Def keep an eye out for the streak 2
@@marcusszavaleta Nike still releases batches of Streak LTs and Streak Splats occasionally. Keep and eye on Nike’s website. They are random.
The Streakfly 2 will be a plated shoe.
So the Peg Plus may be the only non plated option for this from Nike. Though the Adidas Adios 9 will be an amazing option as is the Asics Hyper Speed 4.
@@SagasuRunning finally getting good options after a while
Yes, I’m so happy to finally see this class of shoe coming to market. We have enough high stack plated trainers to last a lifetime.
I never tried on a Pegasus Turbo but know how impressive of a proposal it was before 2020. In the current landscape, however, training shoes with race day-oriented foams are a lot more common than they were four years ago. How does Nike's Pegasus Plus stack up against today's competition? My suspicion is that the Pegasus Plus with ZoomX isn't "new" enough to compete with other options on the market.
Also, how do you think the Pegasus Plus could fair at the marathon distance?
I don't know...ZoomX is hard to beat and a full midsole of it, with no carrier foams or other "tech" is even harder to beat.
I'll have comparisons up in the coming days between the Plus and the SL2 and the ES4, which I think are it's main competition.
I'm not sure about this for a full marathon. I mean, there is no reason you can't, especially if your feet are acclimated to lower stack shoes. However, this shoe is a trainer, a performance trainer, but still a trainer. Distinctly not for racing, though it handles those speeds well.
Is it correct to assume that these, or any Zoom X shoes for that matter, wouldn’t support 250lbs? I’ve never owned Nike shoes, but I think you’ve sold me. Perhaps I should wait until I hit my goal weight (195lbs)?
I mean…. They will, to a point. You’ll over power them on all our running and the overall distance should get out of a pair are limited. But if you use them as a workout shoe they will work, to a point.
I'm used to running in Pegs so a 10mm drop or a sub-30mm forefoot stack aren't necessarily deal-breakers for me. The Supernova Rise also fit that criteria and they run pretty damn good so far (only put 68k in them), although I think the actual drop for me may be less than 10mm. Curious to see how the Plus compares to the SL2 in that performance trainer category.
The SNR is still the better long run trainer. If I wanted a flexible and low stack shoe for long runs (over 25k) it would be the SNR. The Peg Plus has much more performance...and does compare directly with the SL2. I'll have my comparisons up between the two this weekend.
Chris, you mentioned it has a wide platform in the forefoot, how does it compare to the streakfly in terms of platform width?
When I tried the SF I loved the feeling of it but I could feel my feet spilling over the edge of the midsole on the medial side, kinda between the arch and the forefoot
I didn’t measure it but I’d say it’s about 8-10mm at least on the outsole .More importantly though, there are sidewalls on the midsole and the sculpting of the sidewall contain and support the foot. It’s a much more stable and sure footed ride than the Streakfly.
So, you like the Peg+? Just kidding. The rotation you are suggesting is the Peg41 for daily trainer, Peg+ for uptempo, Alpha/Vapor for racing?
Yup... especially so the Peg41/PegPlus combo if you race in a Vaporfly.
@@SagasuRunning 👍
Pegasus 35 turbo still is my favorite shoe, even though the outsole wore out really quickly. Might try the new one as the Pegasus Turbo Next Nature is not that great.
The Plus is considerably better than either, especially the Next Nature. The full ZoomX sole makes a big difference.
I hope the quality improves, I've returned 4 out of 6 pairs of Nike that I owned.
Ya, Nike has definitely had their QC issues the past few years. The fit/finish of the Peg Plus is very good though.
Is there a meaningful difference between men’s and women’s shoes? In my area, I sometimes have a problem finding a men’s shoe my size, but my equivalent size is available in women’s. If it’s only a difference in color way, it doesn’t matter to me so long as I can get the shoe I want.
Typically speaking women’s shoes have narrower lasts in the midfoot and heel as well as softer foams for lighter body weights. Often they will have lower volume uppers too.
That being said, I have no idea what the differences are on the Peg Plus. Given Nike’s recent emphasis on the anatomical differences of female runners in their performance shoes (AF3) I wouldn’t be surprised if there were sizable differences in the Plus. However, we won’t really know until more reviewers get them and the sites like RunRepeat that do tear-downs can analyze.
Hello - why so heavy for all zoomx and not even close to the 40mm height? Is from the outsole or flyknit materials? Little disappointing. Much heavier then streakfly as u mention in video and both similar in stack height. I have bought a couple streakfly’s and list for $170 and both pairs got at $110 on sale. The plus here at $180 seems excessive. I’ve got 500 miles with both streakfly so durability of streakfly not issue for me. In end for me streakfly much better as much cheaper (many sites can get on sale) and much lighter.
This shoe is built as a trainer, not a stripped down racer like the Streakfly. Much more durability built into this shoe. As a trainer the weight is great. I'm not disappointed at all. Especially that most of the performance is here from the Streakfly.
If you got that kind of durability out of the Streakfly, these will last you forever.
They could lighten this a few grams with a revised outsole and less padding in the ankle/heel area...but again, these are trainers, not racers.
I wish they called this the Turbo and left it as is and released a Pegasus Plus with some more stack and better outsole tread to compete with the SuperBlast for a long run training tool. For me personally as a bigger runner I will stick with Adidas's lightstrike pro and dreamstrike trainers, the streakfly was way too mushy for me. I have always been a Nike guy though so for pure nostalgia purposes I will have to trial a pair of these
That's not the purpose of the Pegasus line. The Vomero line is their cushioned line. You want to keep your eye out for the Vomero Plus and likely the Vomero Premium (Nike's answer to the Superblast/Prime X). The Vomero Plus is supposed to come out in Sept/Oct... no clue about the Vomero Premium.
@@SagasuRunningI doubt the Vomero Plus is coming in fall. I think it's a ss25 release. We got to see prototypes just this summer
I mean, I don't need to doubt. I know it's not coming 😂
Ya, I’m not sure either. I’ve heard “Sept” from a few sources. Nike is going to “release” the new tier approach and part of that is the Vomero Plus. Supposedly around the same time as the Zoom Fly 6. 🤷🏼♂️
Olympic years are always very odd. We will see what both Nike and Adidas actually release this fall.
@@SagasuRunning Zoom Fly 6 is coming this fall. I'd be very surprised if Vomero Plus is coming as we don't have it ordered.
If I look for an adidas to compare with these, the one that comes to mind is the SL2, which is 50 us cheaper. Is the peg plus worth it or even actually better than the SL2?
I'll have a comparison up between these two shoe this weekend. There are performance differences for sure and some will definitely prefer one over the other. I never look at price as a variable for a shoe.
Do you think the length is the same of the Invincible 3?
It’s been a while since I wore the I3 but I wore size US Men’s size 9 in both. From memory though the Peg Plus feels slightly longer, not as much as a half size, but maybe a quarter size longer.
@@SagasuRunning thank you.
I was very disappointed with the Invincible 3. An enormous shoe which is wide, heavy, and overall far too soft.
@@georgetown8986thats the ENTIRE point of the shoe be realistic with your expectations
That’s what invincible run is intended, but v3 is a bit firmer and stabilized due to tooling and midsole geometry change.
What do you think will be after Peba or Pebax?
No idea...but there will be something and we will see it by 2026.
Do you think the Peg Plus could replace de Pegasus 41 as a daily trainer?
Yes, but... I'll have my comparisons video up about these two shoes tomorrow (Friday).
would you use it for track repeats? I am a 800/1500 track runner. Thanks
If you don’t want to spike up, it’s a good option. Also for warmups and some easy/casual base running.
@@SagasuRunning great, thanks a lot. Great video btw
Im Don the Hunt for something to replace my old nike Tempo for my intense running workouts… may be this would fit ??
Likely not. It’s much much more minimal than the Tempo and will feel totally different. You likely want to keep an eye out for the upcoming Zoom Fly 6. That will be the closest Nike makes and its direct replacement. It should be released in the next few weeks.
Looking forward to your comparisons for this one. Hoping for a comparison between the SL2. Not that it really matters I am buying the punch color to go with my OG Turbo anyway, but still curious ;)
Of course, the SL2 may be the shoe they compared most closely to this. I’ll also be doing the Peg 41 and Endorphin Speed 4. Later this year when a few other shoes launch I’ll do some additional comparisons. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Hows the fit compared to the streakfly? Specifically in the toe box area (length/width)
Not as racey. The Streakfly’s fit is generous but still a race fit. The Plus is a proper training fit and the FlyKnit really hugs the foot as only FlyKnit can.
The plus also feels slightly longer than the Streakfly.
@@SagasuRunning thanks. I have mortons toe so want to make sure i still have enough room in the front length wise
In that case the Peg Plus is a pointy shoe and the longest point is the middle of the racing stripe…. I get where your second toe sits….
How can you compare these sneakers with Nike Pegasus 37? Which is more interesting to buy?
Umm, I don't. The Peg37 is a nearly 5 year old shoe that is archival at this point.
Do they have removable insole? Thinking bout this shoe, but I have to wear orthotics...
Yes, they do and with the Flyknit upper they should accommodate a low to mid volume one well.
Stable enough for overpronator?
If your over pronation is mild you’ll be ok. It’s a narrow mid foot but has a wide heel flare. If you have extreme over pronation… the ZoomX foam won’t offer much support.
It’s definitely a neutral stable shoe, mostly due to the width. But ZoomX doesn’t offer a lot of natural support.
How would you compare them to the Vomero 17?
I would't. Two completely different shoes. The Peg Plus is a performance trainer. The Vomero 17 is a cushioned trainer. Zero overlap and relationship between the two.
What about the size of this one vs. Nike Vomero 17? Do I have to choose the same size?
Yes, same size. I prefer the fit of the peg Plus though. The upper material is better.
I'm looking for something to replace my Tempo Next %...sadly they don't make them anymore. Is this comparable?
Yes, in uses case. No, in feel. You want to wait until Sept when Nike releases the Zoom Fly 6. That is likely going to be your best bet.
When does it release in the U.S?
August 8, so I’ve heard.
@@SagasuRunning thanks
What size shoe do you wear?
US Men’s size 9 (as shown and spoken multiple times in the video).
You're a big Nike fan, sales pitch every Nike review
I've made no secret I am a Nike fan. However, I take each shoe on it's merits and performance. The new Pegs are very good....I will always call it like I see it, regardless of the brand.
Did an interval session this evening with my club, running at 5:50 per mile for 11x 800m reps and actually had some issues, borderline kind of hurt me. I never usually have problems with my feet but actually have some ball/big toe problems after doing the session in the peg plus. Think, for me the peg turbo is going to be a more of a steady/tempo shoe for me rather than an interval shoe.
Interesting. What was the issue? What do you think caused it? Was this on a track?
@@SagasuRunninghonestly I think it was the 10mm drop, I would usually do this kind of workout in the deviate nitro 2. Lesser drop with a plate in it, don’t usually notice any forefoot fatigue but I did in the peg plus. Maybe the higher drop was taking load from my calves and putting it into my foot.
@@SagasuRunningwasn’t on a track either, to be honest, not the best surface either. An old abandoned concrete airfield runway. Isn’t in the best condition.
@ThatRunnerAaron It could be. It could also be weaker feet from doing this type of work primarily in plated shoes. 11x800 is a big workout, especially at 800 pace.
@@ThatRunnerAaron Concrete is also very rough on the feet. Much more than asphalt.
I am intrigued witht the pegasus plus. However, it is not out yet in Australia. I can get sl2 for 40% off, and i think at that value is better proposition. But curjos how they compare.
I believe the Peg Plus’s global release is August 8. It oddly released in Singapore about 2 weeks ago and that means (due to Nike online) it’s also released in a handful of SE Asian countries, including Taiwan.
An SL2 for 40% off is an outstanding deal. Even if I prefer the Pegasus Plus (which I do)…. That one is hard to pass up. Great shoe and a ton of value there!
I'm in Aus too, where can you get 40% of the sl2?? Cheers!
@SagasuRunning thanks for confirming.
Can u compare it with puma liberate nitro 2?
Sorry, no can do. I won’t be covering any other Puma shoes this year.
Few occasionally rocks on the road and RIP to the middle of the outsole with the exposed zoomX. For the price it will go for, at least they could have covered the outsole bit more strategically. Adidas SL 2 and Hoka Mach 6 will go for less and offer basically similar things.
I used to love Nike shoes but now they are overpriced and outperformed by other brands.
Agree on the outsole layout, though it does work. I've had to run over gravel on asphalt in this shoe on every run (there is alot of construction and lot clearing on part of my daily route) and have had no issues with the exposed area. This formula of ZoomX seems very durable. That being said, it wouldn't be mu first choice for gravel roads, especially as a midfoot striker.
I'll be back with a durability checkin video on this one in Sept I think...
If I'm a mid/forefoot striker, why would I need so much foam in the heel??
thats the problem with the 10mm drop, you have useless foam in the heel, and no foam where you need it.
even my invincible 3 feels "dead" in comparision with other lower drop shoes
ZoomX is so compressive if you had a low drop in this shoe it would feel like a negative drop and be very awkward to run in. Also as a midfoot striker you actually benefit from a high drop. It helps stabilize your foot strike.
@@SagasuRunning actually you're right, my vaporfly 2, feel like negative drop when standing or walking. but who cares, I use tthem for running, vaporfly 2 are not even ment for heelstrike, because they have almost no outsole in the heel
the problem for me, is that recently nike shoes feel too "dead".
invincible 2 felt better than invincible 3
pegs 37, feel much better than pegs 39-40
peg 37 you can really feel that big air unit under the toes
@@AnDre-fj5lb You definitely felt the airbag in the Peg37… I didn’t love that feeling but I did love that shoe.
When?
Aug 8 as far as I understand, unless you live in parts of SE Asia (as I do) then it's been available for over a week already.
the price of the nike pegasus plus is just odd, the streakfly is cheaper in my country for the tech that is better than the pegs plus except for the durabilty and the streakfly is easily available on sale.
It’s Nike’s new pricing strategy, which I outlined. Honestly, I rarely look at the prices of shoes. I had to go look them up to see where they sat. I do agree the SF, on current sales, is a good deal. Hard to pass up. Though the Peg Plus is a better shoe all around.
Peg Plus vs SL2 is the next video up on the channel. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning it's just that i don't see how the current strategy would benefit nike against it's growing competitor. Anyway, keep the good content coming 👍
Well… ya, but the Peg Plus is priced similar to the ES4, which honestly may be the shoe it compares the most close too.
It’s also the same price as the Turbo 2 was… which 5 years on is remarkable.
As always, thank you for the support. So much more coming. 🤙🏻
Sounds like a Superblast2 alternative
Kind of but not really. The Peg Plus has a much better foam and much less bulk, making it much more versatile, especially for speed workouts. The SB2 is a great shoe but only really useful for long runs with marathon pace in them.
@@SagasuRunning i cant believe you actually take the time to reply to everyone especially with the amount of comments. Appreciate your effort 🙏. Also cant imagine how good you’ll be if you become a bike reviewer
I appreciate the kind words. Never say never… but I doubt I’ll ever go back to cycling…. Ever. 👍🏻
Where is the Turbo Next Nature?
Forgotten and disowned by Nike thankfully…
@@SagasuRunning Why not? It is only a bit tight at ankle. I do not see a problem..
It was universally poorly reviewed and not worthy of the “Turbo” name. Literally everyone disliked the shoe, which is why Nike tried to make it go away.
If they would have just called it the “Pegasus Next Nature” or something like that it would not have been as universally hated. It was a decent casual shoe that you could jog in occasionally…. But not much more.
@@SagasuRunning Ok.
This or supernova rise?
Totally different shoes they don’t compare. The SNR is a long run trainer. The Peg Plus is a performance trainer.
@@SagasuRunning oh ok thanks. Totally new to all this. Just looking for a great everyday shoe that I can also run a few miles in every week
@@SagasuRunning do you think the new ultra boost 5x would fit that style more than these running specific type shoes?
That’s the Pegasus 41.
If you order the look of the UBx5, it can be. It is a bit more of a casual shoe you can run in. I’d still pick the Pegasus 41, I think it’s a better looking shoe.
I've made a video on how to start to build a running shoe rotation, from a true beginner onward. It even has shoes I'd recommend for each category.
Running Shoe Rotations Explained - How to build a rotation at all runner levels. ua-cam.com/video/5z4cY1deQqY/v-deo.html
I've also made a video on how to pick the right trainer for various preferences;
Which daily trainer is right for your running? ua-cam.com/video/QOWYk1k90HY/v-deo.html
Hopefully these both help you. Welcome to running. 🤙🏻
Sounds like a decent remake….. but wouldn’t feel inspired to buy unless a compelling reason to go for this over the markets leading performance trainers…. Eg Boston 12, end speed 4 etc
To me it seems like a good purchase when on sale only
The Plus is a very different shoe than the B12...but does compare closely with the use case of the ES4, I'll have a comparison up early next week on them.
Too expensive at over rm800++
It’s a performance trainer and in the appropriate range for a super foam. ZoomX isn’t a cheap material.
This isn’t even that much money 😂 be real they cant just give away shoes if its too much go buy the winflo 😂😂😂😂
@@ATREU850 yes I will buy the winflo. Thanks
4th.
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@@SagasuRunning Hey, what is the difference between the Peg Plus and Vomero?
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Congrats.