Okay so what I am seeing, is do NOT purchase these if you already own HO batteries and are happy with them. These are for people who need to upgrade anyways, buy batteries for crews, or just like having the newest toys. I love my HO batteries, and would LOVE to see Milwaukee make a 12.0 with these to cut down on the size and weight. Thank you for what you do Vince!
My understanding is that most of the smaller M18 tools simply don't have motors that can make use of the extra power yet. The 12AH Forge is NOT using Li-Po (pouch lithium), it's using Tabless cells, like from Tesla's battery day. They can theoretically output about 5x the wattage for the same heat (heat is always the limiting factor in batteries). Li-Po can also output more power, so I expect 36v tools like the lawnmower to be remade supporting single-battery Forge at some point in the near future.
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@@philipdumas4435 I think if you need a new battery I’d get these unless you find a great deal on HO 3.0’s they’re small and pack a good punch and charge faster
Like you said Vince, for 20 bucks more you get a much better and improved battery and the recharge cycle much higher, in the end you get what you paid for. And if you cannot afford one you can always buy the original one. It's nice to have options.
I have 4, 3.0 2, 6.0 2, 12.0 that was a lot of money and I sue them daily hence why all the batteries usually enough to run 2 3.0 slap them on the rapid charger and then be able to swap out the two. If people wanna rush out and drop dough on a slightly new let system and a “matching” super charger go for it but my batteries of “old” work just fine and untill they break/can’t hold a charge I’m not rushing out to buy more batteries (forged)
It’s not a $20 difference though. Only low IQ people are paying $180 for a high output 6.0. I got some four packs of 6.0 high outputs from Home Depot for $329, so about $80 a battery. They won’t run those kinds of deals on forge batteries for many years.
The problem is they were minor gains over the six amp, our high output, and these are supposedly on par with the 12 amp hour as far as power output goes, which didn’t appear to be the case here and on top of that the 12HO’s obviously still have twice the runtime so… what on earth are we doing here? Kind of feels like a Sharknado movie but with marketers instead of sharks
Just got an insane deal on the 2 xc 6.0 high output battery starter kit that comes with the charger and the 2 batteries. It was usually $300 and I got it on sale for $210. I’d be stupid if I passed up that deal 🤷🏽♂️ thanks VCG for tool deals and reviews!! @VCG Construction
After my Father passed back in 19.😢😢 He left me some Bosch tools. 2 drills and a sawzall. Masterforce impact with a nice fat pack 4.0 batt. Thing is ... I was never happy with the batteries...😢 Now i have 6 little Bosch slim packs all rated at 1.5ah each!😢 Lucky, i seen he had a big boy 4.0ah sittin on the shelf, just waiting to be used!🎉 I bought the Bosch circ saw after that!😂 My pops must've been waiting for the cheap slimpax to wear out first, or he just didnt feel the need for all that power... Always cheap and thrifty, ya know old timers!😂😂 So im gonna INVEST in 1 forge battery just to get started! I hated wasting time on those little slimz... Im gonna have a solid base to grow !!🎉 No more wasting time! 😂 Got a deal on 3 M12 HO 5.0's. Gonna keep one of the 2.5 M12 just for space saving purposes!! Ill alway love my Bosch, i even got the 12v impact. Love it. 🎉 A Forge is something to help create your own future!!😂 So make it a good 1! 👍 Think thats what they meant...😂😂😂
Nice video, i preorder from day one 2 of the forge batteries i look foward to test them i know some guy on youtube and instagram already got theirs hands on a packout box with the forge and supercharger but nobody seem to do video on them yet except shoptool review and wow that gen 3 wrench is a freak
I now have switched completely from dewalt. I now own the fuel vacuum , gen 4 impact driver , gen 4 hammer drill , hackzall and side grinder. With 2 5ahs , 1 forge , 2 2ahs lol loving milwaukee so far
I love battery comparisons, now cordless tools are so powerful that the main difference of them are really the batteries. I'm recently thinking about upgrading to High Output series since I got a new High Torque series 1/2....The forge battery looks promising, but the price kind of set me back for now.
I can get a week's run time with the 8ah & 12ah batteries,plus Milwaukee are 💩 bad build, chinsy plastic and plastic gear boxes. When they were owned by AEG/Atlas Copco they brilliant.
3:21 not sure what's happening here but it looks like the high output battery is going through the second 2x4 instantly on both of these tests, almost like there was a hole on the other side of the second board.
@vcg construction thx for vid Vince and excited for the “other battery” coming from Milwaukee and the “special” stuff coming along after that which we can’t talk about, aren’t lawyers great 😉 I’m just curious to see how things turn out when everything is released. Cheers✌🏻
I'd like to see Milwaukee put out a pouch lithium pack in the cp 2.0 casing so we can still have a compact option but a little better tech. I thought about buying cp 3.0 but I prefer the size of the 2.0 for my impact driver!!!
These new Forge batteries seem like a nice improvement, more charge cycles and slightly more power. However, it looks like it is slightly smaller than the HO 6 amp battery. That is kind of disappointing. I thought that one of the main benefits of these pouch cell batteries was a significant reduction in weight and size.
I have the money to spend and most Milwaukee users do as well. Im not a fan of pouch batteries tho. I have the option and im sticking with 21700 cells 💪
one thing about the 18650 cells is how durable and long lasting they are. lipo cells from what i'm used to anyway, are sensitive to overcurrent, overdischarge, ambient heat
I charge my phone once a day. It seems that my cell phone battery loses battery life after about a year or so... I'm curious about the three times as long battery life??
I have a bunch of 8ah high output batteries with several dead cells and they didn't start dieing till i started using them on The m18 fuel Weedeater I need to get 21700 cells to repair the Batteries no longer under warranty
@@VCGConstruction no idea there Only 6 months old 12 of them are 8ah batteries and 4 of them are 12ah batteries there all 6 months old none of them had any issues on other tools but when i started using them on the m18 fuel string trimmer they all started losing cells to the point they only charge to 1 bar now and Milwaukee refused to replace them or even fix them so now I have a bunch of useless batteries that are only good for using on Small tools
Every dollar does count I try to buy all my tools when on sale I’ve only bought a few batteries the rest came with tools from deals I’m waiting to see if they do deals with the forge
Id say if u need to replace a old battery spend the extra 20. What tools can use the extra power will enjoy it the ones that will benefit from the little bit of extra run time youll enjoy it
I do maintainence for a school district. Sometimes when installing things into concrete or block, my hammer drill will time out after doing about 2 holes. Then after it sits for a bit, it will drill again, but won't even get through 1 hole. It sure is annoying.
Last comment. I’d grab a forge battery for the tools it just makes sense running them in, meaning high output, high demand, and high performance tools; otherwise, imo, normal m18 battery just fine for probably 80-90% of time or can go HO XC batteries as well, and then if need the Forge batteries ya can se em….options, pretty nice and also would be nice if pricing would reflect little better; as MILW kinda did a slick move when new packout drawers landed w/ pricing on prior 2 and 3 drawer packouts to make pricing for new drawer packouts to “make sense” I guess 🤔 (I’d personally like em to go in a different way, but ok…..lol); so will be interesting to see if new forge batteries make any difference w/ pricing at all, or things stay same w/ more options and prices are what they are. Do like that batteries should LAST LONGER for charge cycles on pouch lithium compared to cylindrical cells, so that’s a plus, but I’m curious to see real world data of ppl using the forge batteries in colder temps, as we know lithium batteries don’t like it too cold, or too hot; they prefer it “just right”….😂 ✌🏻
Not trying to be rude at all. But I just don’t think you explained it very well. The 6 ah m18 forge battery will run as long as a regular m10 6ah battery but have to power of a m18 12ah battery . Is that correct? Wish they would come out with something like that for their M 12 line.
Yes. The Forge battery flows power into the tool the in same way/rate as the 12.0 battery does. The 12.0 still has about double the run time of the 6.0.
You guys should check out the torque test channel on the new forge batteries you can see it bigger power difference making the circular saw vs. The impact and hammer drill
Well at this point in time I'm looking towards 3ah HO m18 for more light weight on my impact drill. Since it is a drill I can get away with not using my heavier 5.0 and save them for the hackall and saws.
Is pouched technology actually batter? Pouched batteries are more fragile. They do swell like in laptops and phones. I am guessing Forge has multiple pouches stacked. If 1 swells, there will be major issues. Personally I never encountered standard round cells swell. Die sure, but never swelled. But I have like a dozen old pouch cell batteries from phones, tablet, and laptop that I had to replace due to swelling.
Would honestly be more interested in a compact version of this, something in the size of their 2/3Ah battery with the run time/power of a 8ah high output
Nice vid vince. Enjoyed it. Looks like the way forward for me. Using the bigger draw tools you can see quite a difference. Maybe not so much if your just using small hammers and impacts all day, but the life of the battery also makes it a winner. Would love to see how it does in the hole dozer . Smashing out 4 inch plus holes. Im sure you would see a big benefit there too.
I still grab my Gen 3 impact and drill over Gen 4 as Gen 3 still great tools and get job done, plus like my Surge and still going strong for me. Did get little annoying w/ Gen 4 hammerdrill when autostop would turn off tool for my “benefit” at times when just needed tool to go and wasn’t in any danger; far as wrist breaking, etc….maybe battery and tool and the magic inside weren’t getting along and decided to fight it out, lol, but Gen 4 are still good powerful tools; but sometimes just don’t need all that power, imo….. Yeah right, 8:05 BRING ON THE POWER⚡️⚡️ Do like new batteries as pricing should change up a little, hopefully in user favor
OK, so I’m not into construction. I work on cars out of my own house so I’m not really sure what I wanna do here so my question to you would be I have an M18 1/2 dr compact gun and my question is will that forge battery increase the torque of that gun and I’m referring to breakaway torque And it’s a little more than a $20 difference
I have a bunch of milwaukee tools...forge batteries give more torque, out performs all my snapon and dewalts and matco tools...its worth it , depending on what you need it for...especially in automotive
I found a new M18FB6 in sydney tools but has a different label like there is no written XC60.0 in it.. is it genuine or fake? SYDNEY TOOLS is a legit tool store here in Australia
Its not much different than the regular to ho upgrade in terms of power out. When the tools motor output was the limit, it changed nothing. When the battery voltage drop and current output is the limit, it lets the tool ramp more. Seeing a home made 12ah forge battery (2 in parallels) running a fuel drill overheat the motor because theres more power than the motor can dissipate tells me the battery tech, based on current tools, is starting to max out their designs and software is becoming the name of the game. In testing the forge batteries have even less voltage drop than a 12ah, which means not only more torque, but it will burn through the 6ah capacity faster as its quite literally moving more energy since the voltage is higher
Less downtime charging = more uptime in my saws and drills. $$$ Also, if Milwaukee is correct, and the Forge batteries last 1,500 charging cycles, that’s 3x more than the standard. So fewer dead batteries in the end, and less downtime. Makes it worthwhile compared to the regular 6.0s
It looks like a cool upgrade if you have a bunch of 6.0s that you have to recharge a lot. For $50 more dollars, you get 12.0 and I would assume fewer charges, which negates the benefit of the 6.0 Forge having more recharges. I'm sure my math is skewed with 2x the AH vs 3-4x recharges.
Even on an impact or drill, i think forge or HO 6.0 are way too big. Theyre better reserved for higher powered tools like sawzalls, circ saw, hammer drill, cordless chop saws etc. Especially if those are used daily...if those big tools are used once in a while i think you can get away with even a smaller battery like 5.0s or 3.0 HO.
What battery would you use or recommend for the Milwaukee off power supply? I obviously want to get the longest run time to charge my phone and other electronics but don't want to spend to much money
I am a Tesla owner and are highly involved in information and education on battery technology in the lithium ion realm. These batteries are a little smaller than the equivalent cylindrical because the cylindrical has wasted space between cells which in our teslas, is not a factor because that is used for cooling channels which results in them being cooled more efficiently than bottom or top with prismatic/pouch. Most of the other cars have much more failures, shorter life, and more fires which contain the prismatic/pouch versus the cylindrical in a Tesla. The other startups also use cylindrical like tesla. Cylindrical is also less costly to make and as I said, have proved themselves as the more reliable better choice. I would not want to buy these batteries due to the fact that they use the pouch/prismatic. Some teslas are using pouch/prismatic now and are reliable, but that is because of Teslas effective bms and thermal control. In a cordless tool however you do not have thermal control nor do you often have effective bms management. Pouch/prismatic would be ok in my opinion in an ev with proper control, but not in a tool battery On top of it, I had bought prior outdoor tools which used prismatic/pouch and half of the batteries have expanded/blown up and have failed as a result of leaving them in the shed etc exposed to the varied temperatures. I am getting rid of and retiring all of those tools also because the tools have issue. I actually can use them with m18 batteries with an adapter if I really wanted. All of my m18 batteries (cylindrical) have lived their life in truck with varied temperatures and not one has had an issue over a decade or more. I have dozens of m18 and m12 batteries. I WOULD NEVER TOUCH THESE PACKS WITH PRISMATIC. IT IS A MISTAKE THAT MILWAUKEE IS USING THEM. I BET IT WILL BE A FAILURE NIGHTMARE OR THE BATTERIES WILL NOT LAST AMONG OTHER ISSUES.
You forgot one Major Important comparison point here. That would be the HD 6.0 aH battery as a base. The power coming out of these batteries is still ONLY 18 Volts, No More. The Amp Hour size does not allow the tool to work harder, it only allows the tool to work at its optimal working point for a Longer time. As far as buying batteries is concerned, that only applies if you are one of the people that does not watch your videos where you tell everyone Not To Buy Batteries By Themselves, But rather when they come as a Kit or Free w/ purchase or some type of combo.
While the voltage remains at 18 regardless, the difference is the discharge rates which does allow the motor to draw higher current if demanded. The difference is quite significant between generations. the XC6.0 HO for example is capable of nearly twice as high peak amperage draw than the XC5.0. Irrelevant for the most part on say, an impact driver. But a chainsaw or table saw with knotted woods or an Impact wrench trying to crack loose rust welded fasteners on big rigs or equipment can be an immense difference. The FINAL output values will be similar, but I'd much rather spend 2 seconds on a fastener than 10 very loud, high vibration seconds. Most people and most tools won't benefit from High discharge rate batteries, but the motors that do can make a massive difference in the usefulness of the tool
I currently use the M18 Fuel Attachment Trimmer with Quik-Lok (2825-20) and M18 Fuel Blower (2724-20) with M18 High Output XC 6.0. If I upgrade to M18 Forge XC 6.0, will I see a performance improvement with either of these tools? Lastly, I am aware that the M18 Forge XC 12.0 is in development. Do you know if a compact version of the M18 Forge XC, ranging from 1.5 - 3.0, will be introduced?
The best part of this video was fair comparison 👌🏻 good job on that I prefer to skip on these batteries for some time, till they are proven to last longer, then I will be ready to pay a bit more for a longer life cycle
The string trimmer is one of the power hungriest tools they make. I notice a difference between 8.0HO and 12.0HO with it, ESPECIALLY partway through use, so a forge battery would definitely make a difference.
Talk about life span yet I've still some of the old m18 batteries when the red milwaukee text was on front and less rubber protection on them still going strong and outlasted all my new batteries and highoutput batteries soo..explain that 🤷 god knows how old they are now but still going strong 💪
I must admit that the actual technology and return on investment is questionable. FLEX batteries with lithium pouch technology are a better investment. I can attest to it as I have life experience with it. The same applies to the charger. My FLEX 4 port charges 4 batteries way better than Milwaukee super charger. Sorry Vince but the truth must be told and justice served
If these batteries came out 5 years ago I'd be on board, but with the way the supply chain fell apart I'm not buying that these things will last as long as stated. Actually, I'd bet money they won't.
When you cut through the top flange on the I-beam you held the blade at a much shallower angle on the HO than you did with the Forge. That adds about 5-6 minutes to the cut time , make the tests even please. I have 5 Forge so far as I replace older batteries and they are not a 20% torque improvement on the Super Sawsall. I did the same test at home with an I-beam with a 10" web and saw about a 10% improvement.
Pouch Lithium-Ion not much different then the old school pouch nimh cell phone batteries they charge 7 to 10 times more then cylindrical cells they always have used to be in everything from cell phones to rc cars to older power tools but Lithium-Ion pouches how way more amps then the old NiMh
Okay so what I am seeing, is do NOT purchase these if you already own HO batteries and are happy with them. These are for people who need to upgrade anyways, buy batteries for crews, or just like having the newest toys.
I love my HO batteries, and would LOVE to see Milwaukee make a 12.0 with these to cut down on the size and weight.
Thank you for what you do Vince!
*_Thanks for watching Philip!_*
My understanding is that most of the smaller M18 tools simply don't have motors that can make use of the extra power yet.
The 12AH Forge is NOT using Li-Po (pouch lithium), it's using Tabless cells, like from Tesla's battery day. They can theoretically output about 5x the wattage for the same heat (heat is always the limiting factor in batteries). Li-Po can also output more power, so I expect 36v tools like the lawnmower to be remade supporting single-battery Forge at some point in the near future.
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@@philipdumas4435 I think if you need a new battery I’d get these unless you find a great deal on HO 3.0’s they’re small and pack a good punch and charge faster
Every dollar certainly counts. But I’m thinking I ll save in not having to buy as many new batteries. Plus less charge time = more production time.
Like you said Vince, for 20 bucks more you get a much better and improved battery and the recharge cycle much higher, in the end you get what you paid for. And if you cannot afford one you can always buy the original one. It's nice to have options.
I have 4, 3.0
2, 6.0
2, 12.0
that was a lot of money and I sue them daily hence why all the batteries usually enough to run 2 3.0 slap them on the rapid charger and then be able to swap out the two. If people wanna rush out and drop dough on a slightly new let system and a “matching” super charger go for it but my batteries of “old” work just fine and untill they break/can’t hold a charge I’m not rushing out to buy more batteries (forged)
It’s not a $20 difference though. Only low IQ people are paying $180 for a high output 6.0. I got some four packs of 6.0 high outputs from Home Depot for $329, so about $80 a battery. They won’t run those kinds of deals on forge batteries for many years.
Nice. The gains in the Hammer drill were modest over the HO pack, but a little less weight and more charge cycles is a good improvement.
Great point!
The problem is they were minor gains over the six amp, our high output, and these are supposedly on par with the 12 amp hour as far as power output goes, which didn’t appear to be the case here and on top of that the 12HO’s obviously still have twice the runtime so… what on earth are we doing here? Kind of feels like a Sharknado movie but with marketers instead of sharks
Vince is such an Italian contractor it’s honestly hilarious 😂 I love this guy
These new batteries are fantastic they will save my time and money greetings from Finland
Hello Finland, hope everything is well in your part of the world! 👍🏻
@@VCGConstruction Thank you for sure. Thanks to your blogs, it's always up to date, greetings 😁😁😁
Really good tests. Thanks for your work Vince.
Thanks Jesse!
I like the Forge battery indicator looks good Blacked out on the front Suprised Milwaukee started using pouch cell's
Thanks, boss. I have to replace my hd12. Now I know what to get. Even if it is 6AH instead of 12AH, it is worth it.
Just got an insane deal on the 2 xc 6.0 high output battery starter kit that comes with the charger and the 2 batteries. It was usually $300 and I got it on sale for $210. I’d be stupid if I passed up that deal 🤷🏽♂️ thanks VCG for tool deals and reviews!! @VCG Construction
Great and honest comparison. Thank you Vince
Glad you enjoyed it Ron, thanks!
You should compare them in the vacuum. That should show which one lasts longer.
Excellent test and assessment . I'm gonna get the new forge primarily for the new technology and longevity of the battery over time.
Looking forward to getting your thoughts on the battery… can’t wait to see the content you make!
After my Father passed back in 19.😢😢
He left me some Bosch tools.
2 drills and a sawzall. Masterforce impact with a nice fat pack 4.0 batt.
Thing is ... I was never happy with the batteries...😢
Now i have 6 little Bosch slim packs all rated at 1.5ah each!😢
Lucky, i seen he had a big boy 4.0ah sittin on the shelf, just waiting to be used!🎉
I bought the Bosch circ saw after that!😂
My pops must've been waiting for the cheap slimpax to wear out first, or he just didnt feel the need for all that power...
Always cheap and thrifty, ya know old timers!😂😂
So im gonna INVEST in 1 forge battery just to get started! I hated wasting time on those little slimz...
Im gonna have a solid base to grow !!🎉
No more wasting time! 😂
Got a deal on 3 M12 HO 5.0's.
Gonna keep one of the 2.5 M12 just for space saving purposes!!
Ill alway love my Bosch, i even got the 12v impact. Love it. 🎉
A Forge is something to help create your own future!!😂
So make it a good 1! 👍
Think thats what they meant...😂😂😂
The larger the demand of the tool, the more you'll see Forge come out on top. If you run bigger tools, it will become a must have.
Forge batteries seem a good bang for the buck in my opinion especially for the larger Life span
Good review! Good feedback! Great Shirt!
Glad you enjoyed it
I have m12 5.0 high output battery and love it.
Thanks dude whenever i have a question about Milwaukee i come to your channel i know you don’t bs and give us the truth.
I appreciate that
Nice video, i preorder from day one 2 of the forge batteries i look foward to test them i know some guy on youtube and instagram already got theirs hands on a packout box with the forge and supercharger but nobody seem to do video on them yet except shoptool review and wow that gen 3 wrench is a freak
Thanks for the info!
I now have switched completely from dewalt. I now own the fuel vacuum , gen 4 impact driver , gen 4 hammer drill , hackzall and side grinder. With 2 5ahs , 1 forge , 2 2ahs lol loving milwaukee so far
I love battery comparisons, now cordless tools are so powerful that the main difference of them are really the batteries. I'm recently thinking about upgrading to High Output series since I got a new High Torque series 1/2....The forge battery looks promising, but the price kind of set me back for now.
I can get a week's run time with the 8ah & 12ah batteries,plus Milwaukee are 💩 bad build, chinsy plastic and plastic gear boxes.
When they were owned by AEG/Atlas Copco they brilliant.
I'd say get the high output batteries, they make a really big difference! But get them on sale, or when they come free with a tool you need.
@@marccadec6978Milwaukee does not have a plastic gear box idk who told you that
@@marccadec6978Not the most educated comment.
@@bobert866he definitely uses ryobi
3:21 not sure what's happening here but it looks like the high output battery is going through the second 2x4 instantly on both of these tests, almost like there was a hole on the other side of the second board.
Yup. And when he used the forge and drill bit, he pushed sideways to kill the bit
I only buy my Milwaukee batteries in kits. So whether or not I get the forged batteries will depend on what is offered in which kits.
@vcg construction thx for vid Vince and excited for the “other battery” coming from Milwaukee and the “special” stuff coming along after that which we can’t talk about, aren’t lawyers great 😉
I’m just curious to see how things turn out when everything is released.
Cheers✌🏻
It has the same power, not run time. Indeed Milwaukee did kinda make that unclear
Do it Project Farm style and use a torque meter with those drills and see if the Forged battery really makes the tool stronger.
I'd like to see Milwaukee put out a pouch lithium pack in the cp 2.0 casing so we can still have a compact option but a little better tech. I thought about buying cp 3.0 but I prefer the size of the 2.0 for my impact driver!!!
I like a lean impact too, but I run the 3.0 ho on my Milwaukee impacts. I considered the size to be negligible.
Yea I really like the 2.0 size for almost everything when I’m on a latter, when I’m on the ground I’ll go for the bigger size.
H/o 3.0 is close to 2.0 I have a old xc 3.0 same size as the 5.0 basically
The HO 3.0 is substantially heavier than the 2.0. Much closer to 5.0 weight.
Agreed those 2.0 r awesome so light
These new Forge batteries seem like a nice improvement, more charge cycles and slightly more power. However, it looks like it is slightly smaller than the HO 6 amp battery. That is kind of disappointing. I thought that one of the main benefits of these pouch cell batteries was a significant reduction in weight and size.
Good battery test I have a few thousand in Milwaukee tool love them.
Thank you!
Ya Dewalt came out with the pouch battery first for tools said it was lighter and more power 50% more power 25 % smaller and 15 % lighter
I have the money to spend and most Milwaukee users do as well. Im not a fan of pouch batteries tho. I have the option and im sticking with 21700 cells 💪
one thing about the 18650 cells is how durable and long lasting they are. lipo cells from what i'm used to anyway, are sensitive to overcurrent, overdischarge, ambient heat
If they add an extra year to the forge battery on the warranty imo That sells a longer life battery .
Let's see the new tabless comparison there Vinny🎉
I charge my phone once a day. It seems that my cell phone battery loses battery life after about a year or so... I'm curious about the three times as long battery life??
You are doing something wrong, I also charge my phones once a day and they last over three years, no problem
I have a bunch of 8ah high output batteries with several dead cells and they didn't start dieing till i started using them on The m18 fuel Weedeater I need to get 21700 cells to repair the Batteries no longer under warranty
Wow Antonio, why won’t they cover the batteries under warranty?
@@VCGConstruction no idea there Only 6 months old 12 of them are 8ah batteries and 4 of them are 12ah batteries there all 6 months old none of them had any issues on other tools but when i started using them on the m18 fuel string trimmer they all started losing cells to the point they only charge to 1 bar now and Milwaukee refused to replace them or even fix them so now I have a bunch of useless batteries that are only good for using on Small tools
That doesn’t sound good Antonio, sorry cuzbo!
@@VCGConstruction that's Life Cuz Something always goes wrong
Every dollar does count I try to buy all my tools when on sale I’ve only bought a few batteries the rest came with tools from deals I’m waiting to see if they do deals with the forge
They should have come out with a 12ah or 10ah FLEX has a solid array of sizes still walking on Milwaukee for options
Very few people care about flex. Myself included.
I saw these 6.0 ah forge battery on sale for labor day deals at home depot
Id say if u need to replace a old battery spend the extra 20. What tools can use the extra power will enjoy it the ones that will benefit from the little bit of extra run time youll enjoy it
I want to know if she will overheated upon like a grinder or table saw or chainsaw
I do maintainence for a school district. Sometimes when installing things into concrete or block, my hammer drill will time out after doing about 2 holes. Then after it sits for a bit, it will drill again, but won't even get through 1 hole. It sure is annoying.
my battery chainsaw is the same but it is harbor freight and kind get what you pay for.
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I’d grab a forge battery for the tools it just makes sense running them in, meaning high output, high demand, and high performance tools; otherwise, imo, normal m18 battery just fine for probably 80-90% of time or can go HO XC batteries as well, and then if need the Forge batteries ya can se em….options, pretty nice and also would be nice if pricing would reflect little better; as MILW kinda did a slick move when new packout drawers landed w/ pricing on prior 2 and 3 drawer packouts to make pricing for new drawer packouts to “make sense” I guess 🤔 (I’d personally like em to go in a different way, but ok…..lol); so will be interesting to see if new forge batteries make any difference w/ pricing at all, or things stay same w/ more options and prices are what they are. Do like that batteries should LAST LONGER for charge cycles on pouch lithium compared to cylindrical cells, so that’s a plus, but I’m curious to see real world data of ppl using the forge batteries in colder temps, as we know lithium batteries don’t like it too cold, or too hot; they prefer it “just right”….😂
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Not trying to be rude at all. But I just don’t think you explained it very well. The 6 ah m18 forge battery will run as long as a regular m10 6ah battery but have to power of a m18 12ah battery . Is that correct? Wish they would come out with something like that for their M 12 line.
Yes. The Forge battery flows power into the tool the in same way/rate as the 12.0 battery does. The 12.0 still has about double the run time of the 6.0.
@@MrSubaru1387nice to see you cuzbo, thanks for jumping in here! 👍🏻
thanks for a nice and fair test 👍
No problem 👍
You guys should check out the torque test channel on the new forge batteries you can see it bigger power difference making the circular saw vs. The impact and hammer drill
Well at this point in time I'm looking towards 3ah HO m18 for more light weight on my impact drill. Since it is a drill I can get away with not using my heavier 5.0 and save them for the hackall and saws.
Is pouched technology actually batter? Pouched batteries are more fragile. They do swell like in laptops and phones. I am guessing Forge has multiple pouches stacked. If 1 swells, there will be major issues. Personally I never encountered standard round cells swell. Die sure, but never swelled. But I have like a dozen old pouch cell batteries from phones, tablet, and laptop that I had to replace due to swelling.
You are correct, they would have been better of with 21700 tabless. Lipos suck...
Would honestly be more interested in a compact version of this, something in the size of their 2/3Ah battery with the run time/power of a 8ah high output
Yeah, I would love to see if they could make a 2.0 Ah and see how it is for a sheet metal screw gun.
I noticed a difference with my high torque half-inch impact, but I still think the old 9.0 delivered more power
Smaller, lighter, and more charge cycles! No brainer. I’m looking forward to the new 12ah tab-less battery!
*_has me curious!?_*
They should have also used tabless cells here, would be better in every way. They are just being cheap...
Is it just me that noticed the high output battery on the second test only went through 1 piece of wood? Wheres are the forge went through BOTH woods?
I would avoid pouch cells myself ... Mostly all of them end up expanded or even worse, "exploded"
Nice vid vince. Enjoyed it. Looks like the way forward for me. Using the bigger draw tools you can see quite a difference. Maybe not so much if your just using small hammers and impacts all day, but the life of the battery also makes it a winner. Would love to see how it does in the hole dozer . Smashing out 4 inch plus holes. Im sure you would see a big benefit there too.
It sure makes sense to me to go w/ the Forge batteries, but only when my H.O.s wear out. Thanks for letting us know the difference.
afraid to drop cash on 6ah forge when 12ah forge is probably right around the corner.
Very Cool Vince 😎 👌🏾
Thanks Jamal!
So now that you can buy the 12 ah Forge battery, what would be a better purchase for the same price. 2 Forge 6 ah or 1 Forge 12 ah?
Any videos showing a charge cycle test? The HO Batteries don’t last as long as I would like so I think that hold a lot of value
I still grab my Gen 3 impact and drill over Gen 4 as Gen 3 still great tools and get job done, plus like my Surge and still going strong for me. Did get little annoying w/ Gen 4 hammerdrill when autostop would turn off tool for my “benefit” at times when just needed tool to go and wasn’t in any danger; far as wrist breaking, etc….maybe battery and tool and the magic inside weren’t getting along and decided to fight it out, lol, but Gen 4 are still good powerful tools; but sometimes just don’t need all that power, imo…..
Yeah right, 8:05 BRING ON THE POWER⚡️⚡️
Do like new batteries as pricing should change up a little, hopefully in user favor
OK, so I’m not into construction. I work on cars out of my own house so I’m not really sure what I wanna do here so my question to you would be I have an M18 1/2 dr compact gun and my question is will that forge battery increase the torque of that gun and I’m referring to breakaway torque
And it’s a little more than a $20 difference
Need these in a 12Ah option for my OPE.
15AH for da mower would be nice!
I have a bunch of milwaukee tools...forge batteries give more torque, out performs all my snapon and dewalts and matco tools...its worth it , depending on what you need it for...especially in automotive
Now do the M18 fuel circular saw for the battery comparison
I found a new M18FB6 in sydney tools but has a different label like there is no written XC60.0 in it.. is it genuine or fake? SYDNEY TOOLS is a legit tool store here in Australia
I use my Milwaukee hammer drill with an Eskimo pistol bit during ice fishing season you wanna talk about a stress test try that with some other brands
I thought the 12 AH battery because I want the better runtime, I think the 12 AH is a better investment.
Now if they ever come out with a 12 AH forge…
Lmfao Vince your reaction 4:25 😂
🤣 that’s what not using the handle gets me!
Its not much different than the regular to ho upgrade in terms of power out. When the tools motor output was the limit, it changed nothing. When the battery voltage drop and current output is the limit, it lets the tool ramp more.
Seeing a home made 12ah forge battery (2 in parallels) running a fuel drill overheat the motor because theres more power than the motor can dissipate tells me the battery tech, based on current tools, is starting to max out their designs and software is becoming the name of the game.
In testing the forge batteries have even less voltage drop than a 12ah, which means not only more torque, but it will burn through the 6ah capacity faster as its quite literally moving more energy since the voltage is higher
I would definitely replace my batteries with these but not just go out and get them.
Should do the test with the WHOLE HOGG DRILL I have one and soon has I get the FORGE battery then I will test it on my UA-cam channel
Less downtime charging = more uptime in my saws and drills. $$$
Also, if Milwaukee is correct, and the Forge batteries last 1,500 charging cycles, that’s 3x more than the standard. So fewer dead batteries in the end, and less downtime. Makes it worthwhile compared to the regular 6.0s
Do you really need 6.0s in your drills and impacts though?
Love the content, guys!
You think the forge is helpful on the mid-torque?
I honestly don’t know but I can test it out!
They spin em quicker, and the run time is longer, not sure if they actually have more ft lbs.
It looks like a cool upgrade if you have a bunch of 6.0s that you have to recharge a lot. For $50 more dollars, you get 12.0 and I would assume fewer charges, which negates the benefit of the 6.0 Forge having more recharges. I'm sure my math is skewed with 2x the AH vs 3-4x recharges.
the problem is they are too big and awkward for the smaller tools. the 12ah is mainly for the chop saw, chainsaws, etc.
Even on an impact or drill, i think forge or HO 6.0 are way too big. Theyre better reserved for higher powered tools like sawzalls, circ saw, hammer drill, cordless chop saws etc. Especially if those are used daily...if those big tools are used once in a while i think you can get away with even a smaller battery like 5.0s or 3.0 HO.
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What battery would you use or recommend for the Milwaukee off power supply? I obviously want to get the longest run time to charge my phone and other electronics but don't want to spend to much money
If only they used new tabless 21700 cells like they out in the new mx fuel packs, they would have 8ah instead of 6ah and even more power.
I am a Tesla owner and are highly involved in information and education on battery technology in the lithium ion realm. These batteries are a little smaller than the equivalent cylindrical because the cylindrical has wasted space between cells which in our teslas, is not a factor because that is used for cooling channels which results in them being cooled more efficiently than bottom or top with prismatic/pouch. Most of the other cars have much more failures, shorter life, and more fires which contain the prismatic/pouch versus the cylindrical in a Tesla. The other startups also use cylindrical like tesla. Cylindrical is also less costly to make and as I said, have proved themselves as the more reliable better choice. I would not want to buy these batteries due to the fact that they use the pouch/prismatic. Some teslas are using pouch/prismatic now and are reliable, but that is because of Teslas effective bms and thermal control. In a cordless tool however you do not have thermal control nor do you often have effective bms management. Pouch/prismatic would be ok in my opinion in an ev with proper control, but not in a tool battery On top of it, I had bought prior outdoor tools which used prismatic/pouch and half of the batteries have expanded/blown up and have failed as a result of leaving them in the shed etc exposed to the varied temperatures. I am getting rid of and retiring all of those tools also because the tools have issue. I actually can use them with m18 batteries with an adapter if I really wanted. All of my m18 batteries (cylindrical) have lived their life in truck with varied temperatures and not one has had an issue over a decade or more. I have dozens of m18 and m12 batteries. I WOULD NEVER TOUCH THESE PACKS WITH PRISMATIC. IT IS A MISTAKE THAT MILWAUKEE IS USING THEM. I BET IT WILL BE A FAILURE NIGHTMARE OR THE BATTERIES WILL NOT LAST AMONG OTHER ISSUES.
You forgot one Major Important comparison point here. That would be the HD 6.0 aH battery as a base. The power coming out of these batteries is still ONLY 18 Volts, No More. The Amp Hour size does not allow the tool to work harder, it only allows the tool to work at its optimal working point for a Longer time.
As far as buying batteries is concerned, that only applies if you are one of the people that does not watch your videos where you tell everyone Not To Buy Batteries By Themselves, But rather when they come as a Kit or Free w/ purchase or some type of combo.
While the voltage remains at 18 regardless, the difference is the discharge rates which does allow the motor to draw higher current if demanded. The difference is quite significant between generations. the XC6.0 HO for example is capable of nearly twice as high peak amperage draw than the XC5.0. Irrelevant for the most part on say, an impact driver. But a chainsaw or table saw with knotted woods or an Impact wrench trying to crack loose rust welded fasteners on big rigs or equipment can be an immense difference.
The FINAL output values will be similar, but I'd much rather spend 2 seconds on a fastener than 10 very loud, high vibration seconds. Most people and most tools won't benefit from High discharge rate batteries, but the motors that do can make a massive difference in the usefulness of the tool
Only a matter of time before the first pouch lithium in the forge catches on fire.
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Hello Kenneth, hope your doing well!
@@VCGConstruction I am do good I can't wait to see you soon
I didn’t even have HO batteries till last week
Seems like speed matters more to cutting action than torque
I currently use the M18 Fuel Attachment Trimmer with Quik-Lok (2825-20) and M18 Fuel Blower (2724-20) with M18 High Output XC 6.0. If I upgrade to M18 Forge XC 6.0, will I see a performance improvement with either of these tools?
Lastly, I am aware that the M18 Forge XC 12.0 is in development. Do you know if a compact version of the M18 Forge XC, ranging from 1.5 - 3.0, will be introduced?
The best part of this video was fair comparison 👌🏻 good job on that
I prefer to skip on these batteries for some time, till they are proven to last longer, then I will be ready to pay a bit more for a longer life cycle
Thanks Mohammad, glad you enjoyed the video.
@VCGConstruction your content is always enjoyable 😍
Looks like the 2x4 on the bottom has a hole in it went through the second one way to fast almost like it fell through instead of cut through
I do wonder how it would perform on quick lok string trimmer and other ope equipment?
The string trimmer is one of the power hungriest tools they make. I notice a difference between 8.0HO and 12.0HO with it, ESPECIALLY partway through use, so a forge battery would definitely make a difference.
Talk about life span yet I've still some of the old m18 batteries when the red milwaukee text was on front and less rubber protection on them still going strong and outlasted all my new batteries and highoutput batteries soo..explain that 🤷 god knows how old they are now but still going strong 💪
We never PAY MSRP for any HO 6.0 or 8.0 or 12.0. Will I buy this, yes, when it is the same price or comes at me in a deal.
Facebook marketplace is where its at
I must admit that the actual technology and return on investment is questionable. FLEX batteries with lithium pouch technology are a better investment. I can attest to it as I have life experience with it. The same applies to the charger. My FLEX 4 port charges 4 batteries way better than Milwaukee super charger. Sorry Vince but the truth must be told and justice served
I think it is a wash one year dewalt is ahead another Mikita another Milwaukee.
Got to prove it self first on charge cycles
If these batteries came out 5 years ago I'd be on board, but with the way the supply chain fell apart I'm not buying that these things will last as long as stated. Actually, I'd bet money they won't.
Sometimes I'm just gettin more mad in UK they re not available to get same was with track saw , heartbreaking 😂
It’s a no-brainer spend the extra 20 bucks. It’s a later, smaller and you get way more life out of it.
When you cut through the top flange on the I-beam you held the blade at a much shallower angle on the HO than you did with the Forge. That adds about 5-6 minutes to the cut time , make the tests even please. I have 5 Forge so far as I replace older batteries and they are not a 20% torque improvement on the Super Sawsall. I did the same test at home with an I-beam with a 10" web and saw about a 10% improvement.
this is an add for Diablo blades lol
Why do new drills not have that secondary handle?
They do but I’m a monster so I don’t need it! (DONT DO THIS AT HOME KIDS, YOU WILL GET INJURED)
Both Milwaukee and Dewalt need to offer more amp hours for their pouch cell packs.
Pouch Lithium-Ion not much different then the old school pouch nimh cell phone batteries they charge 7 to 10 times more then cylindrical cells they always have used to be in everything from cell phones to rc cars to older power tools but Lithium-Ion pouches how way more amps then the old NiMh