As a lefty cutter myself, the (predominantly righty-flick-forced) atmosphere that I have played in my whole life has made my flick often irrelevant unless I want to be a plus thrower who can break the mark. So it’s interesting to think about whether he does this just because it’s always made sense as a lefty in a right-handed world and hasn’t developed a flick as good as his backhand.
i have the same question :) i had a lefty teammate and he just doesn't have that much of control over his flicks because he used to play against righthanded flick force
As a lefty returning to Ultimate after many years away, I have been pleasantly surprised how capable I still am to play in a handler role. Instead of the backhand floater shown in this video, my primary get out of trouble card is my step-forward IO backhand. My flick is definitely rusty in a way that my backhand isn't and where I am focusing my throwing efforts in order to return to being the mark-breaking handler I used to be. Great video!
In the 70s and early 80s there were still a fair number of players, mostly on decent to lesser teams that were weak flick or backhand only. It was typical to force forehand on these players regardless of what the established force was because it could often yielded a turnover. But the D had to antipicate the change and be disciplined enough to execute. What this German player does that would make the change tough is to release the disc quickly after getting it. Defenders would still be in the process of changing position. The marker would have to get right on his backhand, adopting a basketball D like attitude (particularly because his penchant for high release) and go for the block, assuming the immediate throw.
I think his quick release is a huge factor in why he's effective and avoids turning over. Options become far more difficult after the disc has been static for a couple of seconds.
the most infamous example is Beau who indeed turfed more than one critical touch flick in big games unsurprisingly nobody cared as his value in other respects was twice that of any other cutter
agreed. in every situation he threw the throw that was most suitable and available at the time. nothing pointed me to conclude that his forehand was a weakness in anything i saw.
It would be pretty irresponsible for the announcers to make that assumption. I would guess it it was a known quality. If you’re guarding someone with a weak throw, if usually takes only a few possessions of forcing that throw to figure it out.
As a lefty cutter myself, the (predominantly righty-flick-forced) atmosphere that I have played in my whole life has made my flick often irrelevant unless I want to be a plus thrower who can break the mark. So it’s interesting to think about whether he does this just because it’s always made sense as a lefty in a right-handed world and hasn’t developed a flick as good as his backhand.
i have the same question :)
i had a lefty teammate and he just doesn't have that much of control over his flicks because he used to play against righthanded flick force
As a lefty returning to Ultimate after many years away, I have been pleasantly surprised how capable I still am to play in a handler role. Instead of the backhand floater shown in this video, my primary get out of trouble card is my step-forward IO backhand. My flick is definitely rusty in a way that my backhand isn't and where I am focusing my throwing efforts in order to return to being the mark-breaking handler I used to be. Great video!
In the 70s and early 80s there were still a fair number of players, mostly on decent to lesser teams that were weak flick or backhand only. It was typical to force forehand on these players regardless of what the established force was because it could often yielded a turnover. But the D had to
antipicate the change and be disciplined enough to execute. What this German player does that would make the change tough is to release the disc quickly after getting it. Defenders would still be in the process of changing position. The marker would have to get right on his backhand, adopting a basketball D like attitude (particularly because his penchant for high release) and go for the block, assuming the immediate throw.
I think his quick release is a huge factor in why he's effective and avoids turning over. Options become far more difficult after the disc has been static for a couple of seconds.
1:20, cool stats
2:15, os upline throw to space
3:23, upline poach
the most infamous example is Beau who indeed turfed more than one critical touch flick in big games
unsurprisingly nobody cared as his value in other respects was twice that of any other cutter
just assuming his flick is a limitation when he is always gifted an amazing upfield floater is a bit out there tbh
agreed. in every situation he threw the throw that was most suitable and available at the time. nothing pointed me to conclude that his forehand was a weakness in anything i saw.
It would be pretty irresponsible for the announcers to make that assumption. I would guess it it was a known quality. If you’re guarding someone with a weak throw, if usually takes only a few possessions of forcing that throw to figure it out.