With mass openings of multiple cases you basically always make a profit. But selling these cards is work too. Just a single box wont cut it, you need to get these cheaper in numbers of a case at least.
@ObsoleteSoldier The whole 'it's cardboard' thing is so tired. Yeah, and old baseball cards are just cardboard, old comic books are just paper, hell the Mona Lisa is just oil paint on canvas. Nobody cares what it's made out of, it's worth what collectors are willing to pay.
@@MrGLKilowogOld comics wasn't expensive when they came out, neither mona lisa (before the phenomn). I can't talk about baseball cards, i have no idea. Good/valuable magic cards are products designed specifically to be overpriced from retail price. I'm not saying it's just cardbord. I actually cardboard, ink, marketing costs, mechanic design costs, art design costs, distribution, etc. But it's difficult to defend collector boosters prices and even play bossters.
To be fair... he has been very lucky. That is the thing with opening boosters, it is a gamble. You can come out on top or whiff, that is why buying singles in general is a wiser thing to do. Also I do think that remastered sets have more value than regular sets, as the cards are older and sure, you are also right. Prices of a lot of these cards will go down, for a while, but unless they get reprinted again soon afterwards, they will climb up again to 80/90% of their initial value.
@ most of the cards in the set are reprints, and that’s why they will go down in price. You have to remember, that the more copies that get pulled the cheaper the card is going to be. Basic economics and what not, and some of those cards, even though a wider variety of boxes would need to be opened, but price is directly proportional to how common or uncommon they are
@@Rohan-uu4ju I do wonder if WotC is going to do the Time Spiral thing of ending print run just to dump a bunch for themselves on Amazon when the price goes up.
the best experience would be get rid of collector and put all the good rare find in the usual play boosters, that would give a really huge boost to the meaning of cracking packs
8:37 Aberrant Researcher is not just a callback to Delver of Secrets, it's literally the sequel. It represents the second part of his story (third part is Docent of Perfection).
Seth referring to the Meathook Massacre as the Meatball Massacre, means he has been spending too much time with Crim. Maybe Seth will become a control player next lol
I play cathar's crusade. The secret is just treating it like a craterhoof effect: only play it when you're about to crap out 10 tokens, while already having a board ready to swing for lethal after everything gets buffed. I never had any tracking issues with it cuz at most it spends one or two turns on play before the game ends, or someone takes me or the crusade out :)
Heya Saff!..I only run Hermit Druid in Muldrotha Edh. Overall this set is very good..Also much respect to the old border frames..You are correct the Eldrazi in those treatments look sooper weird..they should've kept the Original Rise of Eldrazi frames
I think "serialized" cards are my least favorite thing to happen when cracking packs. It's one thing to have an actual limited supply of a card/treatment, but serializing just feels so fake and gimmicky when the only difference it makes is slapping a random number on it. You can get the exact same card/treatment without an arbitrary number plastered haphazardly on the front of the artwork and that's worth less for some reason?
I actually love the fact that collector boosters killed the value of foils. I don't care if my cards feel valuable when I open packs, I just want to make my decks shiny.
I have a soft spot for the OG Darksteel Colossus art. I played magic for the first time when the Mirrodin block had just came out. All of my friends were like 11/11 indestructible trampler!?! 🤯
Since i have seen a lot of confusion about this for this product: You can´t open every rare/ mythic in every rare slot. 3 of the 4 slots only have special treatents (old border, showcase, borderless, movie poster). This means a lot of cards can appear only in 1 of 4 slots (like the bulk mythic planeswalkers) . The rares and mythics with alternate treatments can appear in all 4 slots and are more likely in 3 of them (exception retro border only mythics can only appear in 3 slots). Notable cards that only appear in 1 slot in collector boosters and thus are hard to get there: Bruna and Gisela, The 10 slowlands I hope i could help clear things up a bit.
I wish you would add a disclaimer to this advertising video that the stated card prices are substantially over what the card will actually be worth in a week.
If you're going to buy these kinds of collector booster boxes, buy early when the prices are high and buy multiple. You're more likely to come out ahead when more chances at crazy pulls and the prices will eventually go down. Crazy how good the pulls here were compared to other sets. Though I assume that has to do with it being a remastered set across like 15 years of magic history
My LGS didn't have an Innistrad Remastered prerelease. Instead, we drafted original innistrad. It was amazing. I doubt the remastered set would be as good to draft.
i really dont like collector boosters i remember as a kid i was like, nice a foil card, now 0 expression for a foil cuz i know its not worth anything and i could just buy it for like few cents. I understand that some of us want special foils, but than keep normal foils out of these boxes so we can enjoy the normal foil aswell
It never made sense that these packs even have commons at all. Could just be rares and special treatments , anything else is pointless at that price point anyway.
The price of the box is way too much. A ton of bulk reprints and what's left that's valuable will tank. I love innistrad and feel a bit sad the price is too high and there's alot of cards I don't want in the packs. Guess it's singles baby!
Thanks for the oening, always fun to see new mtg product from time to time. I prefer non-foil with the original art and no special frame or other treatment. It's the cleanest design, but to each their own ofc.
What killed foils was switching from a more bespoke foiling style to the foil-everything-and-be-done-with-it process. Foiling an entire card face is what makes modern cards so sensitive to curling. It also washes out details, which makes each card feel less unique. But it's almost certainly a faster/cheaper manufacturing process, so..
Expected Value is pretty bad. But if you hit the big mythics and sell them quickly, you can get rewarded. Retro foils can keep value over time for playable cards, as thats exactly what people want if they pimp out a foil Commander deck in old border style. The movie poster cards are much more niche, but there are people that collect them as well.
Not being around when foils showed up originally, but I do know foils are not very special for the most part. That said, what I saw with Mystery Booster 2 is probably the closest to the old style foils since they are like one per box and actually worth way more then the normal card.
my unpopular opinion on these pack pulls is that wizards sends content creators packs they personally have packed themselves as they always seem to have insane pulls just to get the common man to go out and purchase boxes/packs only to be disappointed in not pulling anything decent
I'm very interested in seeing how cards here hold value. I'm not sure how much the set is really in circulation but the pull rates on many of the chase cards has been crazy in every opening I've watched and even in Play boosters in limited.
Really solid point at the beginning of the video... When I got back into MtG it was the 2nd biggest shocker how devalued foil cards had became. The 1st biggest shocker being the prices 🤣🤣. It's to the point that there's non foil versions of a card being valued more than the foil version and that's terrible. Seems like foils are only valued a few cents more in most cases. EDIT: "Is this last card our serialized Edgar card?!" Lisa: "Allow me to reintroduce myself..." lol
57:13 Okay seriously am I the only one who for a second though that was a misprint Delver with the same art on both sides?! For a second I was like OMGWTFBBQ
As far as the foils being less exciting thing, I agree they don't feel special. But at the same time, I've always embraced the idea of using the basic nonfoil version of cards because it saves money. So in a way, the fact that every chase rare now has borderless, old border, and many other versions all foil and nonfoil, it seems to drive the price down a lot for the basic nonfoil versions of chase rares cause enough people out there are trying to flex their spending abilities buy blinging out their decks that people who don't care about that kind stuff end up saving a lot of money.
I agree about foils but I don't agree about full art lands. IMO the full art lands are always significantly prettier than the regular art lands. I'm not really excited for them per se, but I always prefer looking at full art lands over regular ones. I do agree that foils don't really feel special anymore though. It doesn't really bother me that much since I don't play much paper Magic anymore, but it would be nice if foils became something special again.
Seth i think that you forget that there is value in your name, and the brand you work for. Just by being able to prove they got the card from YOU makes it worth more. Like if you pull a serialized card it will be worth more than any other random number (outside of the iconic 1, 13, 69, 420) because those probably just have enough generic fandom.
That’s the 2nd pack I’ve seen with both retro Meathook & retro Craterhooth; the person that got their prize packs (play boosters) after me at the early release WPN Premium event local to me on Friday got the same pair.
These are preorder prices which are always inflated anywhere from 25% up to 100%. Inventory hasn't hit the market places and none of us can actually open these boxes and sell the cards at presale prices. So I really don't see the value of adding prices to the cards pulled from the boxes. It would be different if you were cracking these boxes a month from now when inventory is actually flooding the market and card prices are stabilizing. But as it is, these values are extremely deceptive and might as well be equated to a skit from Whose Line Is It Anyways.
You have to take at least 25% 0ff the value when looking at prerelease prices so you actually only made about $40 on 5 boxes, but probably less than that.
He’s a big reseller. Nice seeming guy, but his level of enfranchisement makes him VERY out of touch with the perspectives of a ton of players. Guys like Seth and Josh Lee Kwei live in an entirely different MtG hobby from the rest of us, and I say that as someone who’s been collecting since July of ‘96. He once wrote an essay advocating for WotC putting QR codes on MtG cards to prevent counterfeiting, without even the barest mention of the additional cost that would inflict on customers. Not to be deceptive about the issue. I honestly believe it either didn’t occur to him that adding QR codes would jack up pack prices, or if it did, that that wouldn’t be any significant problem for the majority of players.
Be interesting to see how the prices compare in a month for the cards pulled in this video. I have most of the cards in this set, and Aetherdrift will probably be a pass for me. Hasbro is screwing us all with their pricing and flooding of the market. I'll just be buying individual cards I need for the time being, and making proxies of the ones I have.
I don’t know why everyone is acting like they’re the werewolf of wall street in these comments. Buy them if you want some of the cards and you want to pump up your trade binder, simple.
To anyone out there thinking of doing this, don't.
for $2000, buy long calls in apple or something
With mass openings of multiple cases you basically always make a profit.
But selling these cards is work too.
Just a single box wont cut it, you need to get these cheaper in numbers of a case at least.
Better to pay for quality proxies. MTG has lost it's mine with prices... It's cardboard... 🤯🤯🤯
@ObsoleteSoldier The whole 'it's cardboard' thing is so tired. Yeah, and old baseball cards are just cardboard, old comic books are just paper, hell the Mona Lisa is just oil paint on canvas. Nobody cares what it's made out of, it's worth what collectors are willing to pay.
@@MrGLKilowogOld comics wasn't expensive when they came out, neither mona lisa (before the phenomn). I can't talk about baseball cards, i have no idea. Good/valuable magic cards are products designed specifically to be overpriced from retail price. I'm not saying it's just cardbord. I actually cardboard, ink, marketing costs, mechanic design costs, art design costs, distribution, etc. But it's difficult to defend collector boosters prices and even play bossters.
These prices are going to go way down, I don’t expect the prices to stay as high as they are. Especially if the pulls are the way they are
To be fair... he has been very lucky. That is the thing with opening boosters, it is a gamble. You can come out on top or whiff, that is why buying singles in general is a wiser thing to do. Also I do think that remastered sets have more value than regular sets, as the cards are older and sure, you are also right. Prices of a lot of these cards will go down, for a while, but unless they get reprinted again soon afterwards, they will climb up again to 80/90% of their initial value.
@ most of the cards in the set are reprints, and that’s why they will go down in price. You have to remember, that the more copies that get pulled the cheaper the card is going to be. Basic economics and what not, and some of those cards, even though a wider variety of boxes would need to be opened, but price is directly proportional to how common or uncommon they are
print run was ended short, i wouldnt be so sure
@@Rohan-uu4ju I do wonder if WotC is going to do the Time Spiral thing of ending print run just to dump a bunch for themselves on Amazon when the price goes up.
It won't go down in price . What you have been smoking?
the best experience would be get rid of collector and put all the good rare find in the usual play boosters, that would give a really huge boost to the meaning of cracking packs
Liesa Unforgettable Archangel being the last card opened is basically the snarl in every pack of this box opening. LMAO
340$ is insanse to me, for a set which exclusively consists of reprints, this pricetag is ridiculous.
This product is not for you - WOTC
Seth is still my favorite unboxer for MtG. I’m happy every time one of these unboxings are posted
8:37 Aberrant Researcher is not just a callback to Delver of Secrets, it's literally the sequel. It represents the second part of his story (third part is Docent of Perfection).
Seth, you missed a huge opportunity to flip/rip that last lisa, and then quote the room "You're tearing me apart Lisa!"
It's a shame Seth doesn't flip the first Westvale Abbey lol
Seth referring to the Meathook Massacre as the Meatball Massacre, means he has been spending too much time with Crim. Maybe Seth will become a control player next lol
Any time spent with Crim is too much
the way you pet that -$312 was very lovingly. you’re a good -$312 owner saffron olive.
I know this is a mtg channel… But l would love to see more of your dog! LOL!
And his cat! Cece and Bear are so cute!
Same
We’ve all been saying for years we need a Seth vlog 😭😭 someday I hope
I play cathar's crusade. The secret is just treating it like a craterhoof effect: only play it when you're about to crap out 10 tokens, while already having a board ready to swing for lethal after everything gets buffed.
I never had any tracking issues with it cuz at most it spends one or two turns on play before the game ends, or someone takes me or the crusade out :)
Heya Saff!..I only run Hermit Druid in Muldrotha Edh. Overall this set is very good..Also much respect to the old border frames..You are correct the Eldrazi in those treatments look sooper weird..they should've kept the Original Rise of Eldrazi frames
I think "serialized" cards are my least favorite thing to happen when cracking packs. It's one thing to have an actual limited supply of a card/treatment, but serializing just feels so fake and gimmicky when the only difference it makes is slapping a random number on it. You can get the exact same card/treatment without an arbitrary number plastered haphazardly on the front of the artwork and that's worth less for some reason?
I actually love the fact that collector boosters killed the value of foils. I don't care if my cards feel valuable when I open packs, I just want to make my decks shiny.
I'd really like to see you go back over this video in a few weeks to a month's time and reevaluate the prices.
I have a soft spot for the OG Darksteel Colossus art. I played magic for the first time when the Mirrodin block had just came out.
All of my friends were like 11/11 indestructible trampler!?! 🤯
tcg player has the retro frame meathook massacre at 34 dollars. its so weird to see people just make up prices.
Since i have seen a lot of confusion about this for this product:
You can´t open every rare/ mythic in every rare slot.
3 of the 4 slots only have special treatents (old border, showcase, borderless, movie poster).
This means a lot of cards can appear only in 1 of 4 slots (like the bulk mythic planeswalkers) . The rares and mythics with alternate treatments can appear in all 4 slots and are more likely in 3 of them (exception retro border only mythics can only appear in 3 slots).
Notable cards that only appear in 1 slot in collector boosters and thus are hard to get there:
Bruna and Gisela,
The 10 slowlands
I hope i could help clear things up a bit.
I wish you would add a disclaimer to this advertising video that the stated card prices are substantially over what the card will actually be worth in a week.
Paid by Wizards to generate hype.
Most iconic art of the last:
15 years: JtMS or Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
10 years: Emrakul, the Promised End
5 years: Liesa, Forgotten Archangel
If you're going to buy these kinds of collector booster boxes, buy early when the prices are high and buy multiple. You're more likely to come out ahead when more chances at crazy pulls and the prices will eventually go down.
Crazy how good the pulls here were compared to other sets. Though I assume that has to do with it being a remastered set across like 15 years of magic history
My LGS didn't have an Innistrad Remastered prerelease. Instead, we drafted original innistrad. It was amazing. I doubt the remastered set would be as good to draft.
What gamestore?
@@ernestob7662 Your Hobby Place in Alexandira Virginia, but they used up the one box already. There's no more.
You did get a lab man in the same pack as the grisabrand and girtrog movie poster.
I saw that too. Looked like a foil alternate art
These videos always teach me how devalued the cards in my cube have become. Through the Breach, Griselbrand, Liliana, etc.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite has gotta be one of the most iconic artworks from the last ~15 years.
You know the magic gods like comedy because that liesa at the end was gold xD
Ppl are going to see the luck in box 1&2 and waste so much on these boxes to get screwed.
i really dont like collector boosters i remember as a kid i was like, nice a foil card, now 0 expression for a foil cuz i know its not worth anything and i could just buy it for like few cents. I understand that some of us want special foils, but than keep normal foils out of these boxes so we can enjoy the normal foil aswell
It never made sense that these packs even have commons at all.
Could just be rares and special treatments , anything else is pointless at that price point anyway.
Yeah.. wish they would tone it down alot. When everything is "special" nothing is.
Given the indicated prices, all my booster displays were worth more than a thousand bucks initially...
six is a planeswalker from an unknown plane and seven is a tree that she bonded with from innistrad
Six is an Oak treefolk from Kessig and Seven is also an Oak treefolk from Kessig, Eight is Realmbreaker.
The price of the box is way too much. A ton of bulk reprints and what's left that's valuable will tank. I love innistrad and feel a bit sad the price is too high and there's alot of cards I don't want in the packs. Guess it's singles baby!
The Ragavan art on the dart board. Lol.
27:47 running so good just casually flips past the Maniac!
Thanks for the oening, always fun to see new mtg product from time to time. I prefer non-foil with the original art and no special frame or other treatment. It's the cleanest design, but to each their own ofc.
“YOU’RE TEARING ME APART LIESA!”
Liesa's tirelessly tracking you lol
I love foils and I would bling my whole collection. Please keep printing foils to bring the price down!
What killed foils was switching from a more bespoke foiling style to the foil-everything-and-be-done-with-it process. Foiling an entire card face is what makes modern cards so sensitive to curling. It also washes out details, which makes each card feel less unique. But it's almost certainly a faster/cheaper manufacturing process, so..
As someone getting one of these boxes, this just unreasonably raised my hopes. Can't wait to hit none of the chase mythics/movie posters lmao.
old border edgar is so good he adds $90 bucks while being $70 shown
Expected Value is pretty bad.
But if you hit the big mythics and sell them quickly, you can get rewarded.
Retro foils can keep value over time for playable cards, as thats exactly what people want if they pimp out a foil Commander deck in old border style.
The movie poster cards are much more niche, but there are people that collect them as well.
Find the inner strahd
Not being around when foils showed up originally, but I do know foils are not very special for the most part. That said, what I saw with Mystery Booster 2 is probably the closest to the old style foils since they are like one per box and actually worth way more then the normal card.
Congrats on those pulls, insane 🎉
my unpopular opinion on these pack pulls is that wizards sends content creators packs they personally have packed themselves as they always seem to have insane pulls just to get the common man to go out and purchase boxes/packs only to be disappointed in not pulling anything decent
Theres another creture that prevents saccing creatures called Taiju preserver, its like 1C1G and is super handy fyi
As for foils, nothing is special if everyone has it. It’s it’s not a full alt art foil, it doesn’t matter
gonna be playing draft with innistrad as my first ever magic the gathering match. its gonna be interesting
Just means that the magic gods are telling you to build a Liesa, Forgotten Archangel deck.
Tamiyo's Journal has actually sneakily raised in price cause of no reprints. Probably gonna go down now.
The decreasing value of these packs reflects the value of the cards opened over time.
Some of the packs in that first box were absolute bangers
I'm very interested in seeing how cards here hold value. I'm not sure how much the set is really in circulation but the pull rates on many of the chase cards has been crazy in every opening I've watched and even in Play boosters in limited.
So we agree Seth has to build a Lisa commander deck, right?
Hermit Druid goes hard in a Mimeoplasm deck.
Bro your dog is awesome, he got my like
Really solid point at the beginning of the video...
When I got back into MtG it was the 2nd biggest shocker how devalued foil cards had became. The 1st biggest shocker being the prices 🤣🤣. It's to the point that there's non foil versions of a card being valued more than the foil version and that's terrible. Seems like foils are only valued a few cents more in most cases.
EDIT:
"Is this last card our serialized Edgar card?!"
Lisa: "Allow me to reintroduce myself..." lol
His "bad" boxes pulled an edgar, an emerkul, and 2 meathook massacre... my bad box would lose $200
57:13 Okay seriously am I the only one who for a second though that was a misprint Delver with the same art on both sides?! For a second I was like OMGWTFBBQ
As far as the foils being less exciting thing, I agree they don't feel special. But at the same time, I've always embraced the idea of using the basic nonfoil version of cards because it saves money. So in a way, the fact that every chase rare now has borderless, old border, and many other versions all foil and nonfoil, it seems to drive the price down a lot for the basic nonfoil versions of chase rares cause enough people out there are trying to flex their spending abilities buy blinging out their decks that people who don't care about that kind stuff end up saving a lot of money.
the last mythic LMAO
I agree about foils but I don't agree about full art lands. IMO the full art lands are always significantly prettier than the regular art lands. I'm not really excited for them per se, but I always prefer looking at full art lands over regular ones. I do agree that foils don't really feel special anymore though. It doesn't really bother me that much since I don't play much paper Magic anymore, but it would be nice if foils became something special again.
42:08 I’ve decided I like the eldrazi old border cards. They look weird and unsettling, much like the eldrazi themselves.
Nice job hitting a poster and the camera at the same time haha
Seth i think that you forget that there is value in your name, and the brand you work for. Just by being able to prove they got the card from YOU makes it worth more. Like if you pull a serialized card it will be worth more than any other random number (outside of the iconic 1, 13, 69, 420) because those probably just have enough generic fandom.
I would love to see the value of your boxes 2-4 weeks after release. I'm sure it's gonna crash so hard!
3 copies of delver of secrets, each with a different treatment.
8:54
Is number 93 because of your brother? I saw you on ACCN with your mom watching him play. Huge Louisville basketball fan
Liesa you’re tearing me apart
I'm a simple man. Bear pops into the video. I hit like.
That’s the 2nd pack I’ve seen with both retro Meathook & retro Craterhooth; the person that got their prize packs (play boosters) after me at the early release WPN Premium event local to me on Friday got the same pair.
51:08 the memes with the is card will hit hard
Wow after the first two boxes, then box #3 was a letdown…
Sethhhh, you didn't show the back of westvale abbey 😢
Foils are very inconsistent. I use to prefer foils but nowadays it seems like a dice roll on the readability of the foils.
if they unban griselbrand, how much will cost the poster version?
I'm just here to see Bear
Iconic art of the last 15 years? Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite was 2011, gotta be on the list
Foil Indulgent Aristocrat is really expensive for a foil. The original printing anyways...
These are preorder prices which are always inflated anywhere from 25% up to 100%. Inventory hasn't hit the market places and none of us can actually open these boxes and sell the cards at presale prices. So I really don't see the value of adding prices to the cards pulled from the boxes. It would be different if you were cracking these boxes a month from now when inventory is actually flooding the market and card prices are stabilizing. But as it is, these values are extremely deceptive and might as well be equated to a skit from Whose Line Is It Anyways.
You have to take at least 25% 0ff the value when looking at prerelease prices so you actually only made about $40 on 5 boxes, but probably less than that.
Why dont they just keep every booster where the rares are at the end? It's Infuriating.
Nice if you sell right now- but this will be a beating after pricing stabilizes.
You forgot about her, and so she appeared. XD
There's a way to get one foil per pack...
I pre-ordered a single collectors box, and i kinda feel sick after watching this video.
Do you keep all of the cards? Or do you actually sell them?
He’s a big reseller. Nice seeming guy, but his level of enfranchisement makes him VERY out of touch with the perspectives of a ton of players.
Guys like Seth and Josh Lee Kwei live in an entirely different MtG hobby from the rest of us, and I say that as someone who’s been collecting since July of ‘96.
He once wrote an essay advocating for WotC putting QR codes on MtG cards to prevent counterfeiting, without even the barest mention of the additional cost that would inflict on customers.
Not to be deceptive about the issue. I honestly believe it either didn’t occur to him that adding QR codes would jack up pack prices, or if it did, that that wouldn’t be any significant problem for the majority of players.
Bear blessed the pulls 2:20
How much is prerelease price inflated? 100%? 50%? Wish you'd come back to older videos once the market settles
3:44 Not true there is also older card: Tajuru Preserver
I agree about foils when everyone is foil nobody is
You're tearing me apart Liesa!
Be interesting to see how the prices compare in a month for the cards pulled in this video. I have most of the cards in this set, and Aetherdrift will probably be a pass for me. Hasbro is screwing us all with their pricing and flooding of the market. I'll just be buying individual cards I need for the time being, and making proxies of the ones I have.
Magic needs to get rid of collector boosters. Everything should be in a regular booster.
3:50 Tajuru Preserver does this as well.
And is orginal with this effect.
I don’t know why everyone is acting like they’re the werewolf of wall street in these comments. Buy them if you want some of the cards and you want to pump up your trade binder, simple.
I was able to get mine at $280 a box.
old border emrakul looks awful