Roadblock 3a: Used Vehicle Availability. I know you covered cost, and the increasing availability at lower prices from other manufacturers, but there are lots of people who can only ever afford older used cars - the kind you can pick up for under £2k. It will take at least a decade of widespread use by new buyers for EV's to be available in that range, and until then we're stuck with internal combustion no matter how much we'd like to switch. The long-term cost might be lower, but the initial cost of any new vehicle remains a huge and insurmountable barrier for some. Also thumbs up for Kryten!
The issue those customers will run into is a reducing amount of gas stations. As the amount of Gas customers drops away. As we get into to the back half of the next ten years.
My guess for the future by then is that cars will be more shared, subscribed (pay per use / ride) or leased than actually bought or owned. People will consume mobility according to their specific needs and situation. Like your (smart) phone.
In 10 years nobody will own a vehicle anyway, as just getting a driverless uber electric car ride would be so cheap nobody would want to waste the garage space.
Our apartment building recently installed a 120v outlet in the public garage for my M3 spot. I pay $19 flat per month for the electricity.. I live in DC and drive less than 20 miles per day. The building management is very supportive and sweet. Not every apartment building have public garage and have supportive owners tho, still hard to find.
The problem in colder climates is that apartments with outdoor parking already have 110 volt outlets however they often put several outlets on a circuit because the outlets are for block heaters which only consume 50 watts per car. There will no doubt be some idiot who will buy an EV, plug it into these outlets and when winter comes and everyone else plugs in their block heaters, the circuit will trip and everyone on the circuit will be late for work. A few apartments with assigned outdoor parking wire the parking lot's outlet to the circuit breaker inside the apartment in order for the apartment management to not have to pay the power bill for the block heaters but then power theft would be an issue given how close the lots are and how each outlet has two sockets, people often ignore their neighbour plugging the block heater into the wrong outlet as accidental but charging an EV makes it a more serious issue.
@@johnwang9914 Hypothesis - if power theft becomes problem, someone will propose to put the power output for the EV charge after some kind of remotely activated circuit breaker, one that will close the circuit only after completing some kind of authentication /shake hand with its owner's car. A counterpart in the vehicle, that doesn't draw power unless it sees it is drawing from a "[my] EV charge authorized output" would solve the accidental "plug in the neighbour's block heather" issue. It shouldn't be more complicated than, say, having Ethernet over the power cables (in fact, that would be a nice starting point to develop the thing). Only thing, it would be nice if they already started talking about standardization of these details...
This is old news, but in a real cold climate (Fairbanks Alaska), the draw for block heaters for a full sized truck is more like 1100 watts. That's 800-1000 for the block, 100-150 for transmission, similar for the oil pan, and however much for the trickle charger or battery heater consume. 50 watts wouldn't even get my oil warm enough to flow at -50.
Hahahahahahahahahahahah The hole point is efficiency and the minimum waste of energy ... for the same reason is why Hydrogen sucks... Its cool for a fast storage and availability for emergencies ... but fails because it has the same problems with petroleum ...
I was soooo excited and then soooo heartbroken for you! Don’t know what was more heartbreaking, this or the ending to Infinity War 😂 Stay Strong Joe, the wait will be worth it soon! 😊
You should move to Norway, we got 240 as standardt outlets, and yeah, we're one of the most developed country in the world when it comes to electric vehicles. And most of our power is hydroelectric :)
Great video. I have had an EV for over a year now (Renault Zoe - not available in the US - 150-200 miles range depending on weather and speed and a tad over $22.5K after haggling at today's exchange rate) and I can't see myself ever going back to gas.
@Manny Santiago it is a bargain for an EV but is a small car and doesn't go like a Tesla. The list price is a lot higher but for some reason Renault dealers give huge discounts despite a waiting list.
@@robsmith1a Again the fixation with speed? You do realise that 95% of drivers would use the potential, and probably couldn't handle the full power of a car that "goes like a Tesla"? Even current Diesel cars accelerate as fast as many "exotic" cars did 40 years ago.
I love my Zoe but it definitely could do with more power. If a car in front is doing 40 mph I have to have a very long straight ahead to overtake safely because the acceleration really tails off above 50 mph (the new version of the Zoe may have fixed this issue though). I'm not bothered about power like I used to be (I had a V8 supercar years ago and very fast bike). Having said that the Zoe is great around town and the only thing I don't like is that the weight can always be felt (over bumps and the braking distance is definitely longer than in a small ICE car). My general comment was that the Zoe is built to a price and therefore has less bells and whistles than a more expensive car though the excellent range makes it a compelling choice for me. I drive within the speed limit but would not turn down more acceleration unless it became ludicrous.
China at the moment uses electric cars, scooters and also articulated public busses and delivery trucks. In many cities ONLY electric trucks are allowed in the centres. The change over the last two years has been amazing.
8:35 If you have a very energy intensif street light. Converting to LED makes scense and then your cable in the ground is mutch to thick. Thus, you can add chargers without renewing the cable. Total capacaty stays the same. This is what we are doing in Holand. For every 4 street lights you can add one `descent speed` charger.
EV chargers can pop up everywhere, Parking Meters , Streetlights and even just a Bollard with a charger, they can be Level 2 or FAST chargers , and the city can provide FREE parking and FREE Level 2 charging for EV, but while charging a good price for FAST charging. SF has a EV charger using Renewable energy. many others can use Renewable Power at Chargepoint as well.
Transportation needs a massive rethink. "Your car spends 90% of its time parked". Just 10% of its life doing what it was built to do. There has got to be a better way. A shared fleet of autonomous vehicles. At just 10% utilization it would suggest that there are ten times more cars than are realoy needed. That's not quite correct since utilization probably jumps to 30-40% during morning and evening rush hours and maybe as most 1-2% during the mid-night to 4am slot. But that still means the current fleet is 2.5 to 3 times too big. It would be easy to cut the number of cars in half and throw on a few more buses & subways to be really sure during the rush hours. The fleet can be made up of a range of sized vehicles. The vast majority, probably 90% could be single seat pods with about as much room again for cargo. Another 8% of 4 or 6 seater vehicles for family or carpools. 2% panel trucks for those very infrequent household moves and Ikea shopping sprees. There aught to be a rethink of intercity travel. As it is each and every person who travels medium intercity distances has to occupy themselves with keeping their vehicle between the lane markings. Longer trips are almost always by air. Trains can not only go much faster than highway travel they also completely free up travellers to rest or other activities. Trains have a much higher chance of electrification. Trains are much more energy efficient given their ultimate in tail-gating travel. They can be much safer when tracks are properly instrumented.
Lenard Segnitz you mentioned some good things, but I wouldn't compare rush hour times from now compared to the future. Most cities don't charge any penalties for driving at rush hour, and therefore too many people drive all at once and traffic is created. If we make it completely free to travel at the same time, then of course we will get a lot of traffic. We suffer from traffic because of a lack of price system. However, mobility as a service providers will charge fees based on demand. This will naturally reduce traffic at our current peak times and distribute traffic to other times, based on individual economizing. For example, most delivery bots will probably run during the cheapest times, rather than driving at peak times.
Same in Au. And 415V 3-phase is pretty common in suburbia as well since all the street wiring is 3ph by default (they tap every third house on each phase). The cost for my 3ph connection was only ~$200 more than the cost for single-phase from memory.
It's the same in all of Europe, South America, most of Asia and I think Africa as well. I believe USA, Canada and Japan to be the few countries to have 120V outlets as standard.
1% of the new cars are ev, you can't call that a revolution. The smartphone "revolution" took 3 to 4 year to make 50% of the market since the iphone showed up, knowing that the shelf live of a phone is 1,5 years and a car is 7... The ev will take at least 15 years to be a comon
Sadly there is still a lot of FUD about electric cars, however I know that fossil fuel companies have realised their fate and started working on battery technology and renewable energy.
True, but batteries were an early option and the Rockefellers shit canned, the same thing they did with alcohol ICE. Buy my oil or die! Wind power has been around for centuries but it's not reliable in most places. While it has improved in the last few decades, nothing about the method has. Solar is vastly more efficient and way cheaper than it used to be. The only thing we are really missing is batteries to store the power. If you want to see what a couple decades of batteries technology looks like, google a cell phone from the 80s.
We did work on batteries, too, but many of the recent advances have come from nanotech which just didn't exist even 20 years ago. Physics knowledge has changed a lot in the last century and with it the tech applications. 1918 was the end of WWI and the widespread adoption of electricity was still brand new. Lightbulbs were the smartphones of that year.
@@taibhsear71 Solar and wind are complimentary. Solar heat (often) creates air currents which make wind. On the other hand, if the sun isn't shining during the day, it's likely the weather is inclement, which tends to be more windy.
I'm just worried about the "Model 3 is the iPhone of cars" analogy. EVs are already "mainstream" from *MANY* manufacturers. I'd argue that the Nissan Leaf was the "iPhone of cars" - it was the first actual *mass market* EV. Tesla always struck me as "the Blackberry of EVs" - an analogy that would have been a compliment when Tesla started. A new company that revolutionized a market that technically existed already, but was ultra-niche. They made it "mainstream niche" for a certain clientele. Tesla has been similar. I hope Tesla can deliver on everything they want (same with SpaceX,) but there's more competition in cars than rockets. As soon as Ford, GM, and Toyota all decide to actually go "full bore" EV, Tesla will have a tough time keeping up. Sure, they'll still be the "halo brand" (much as Apple is,) but they won't be the "mainstream #1 brand" (just as Apple isn't. Samsung and Huawei both outsell Apple.) Lastly, the model 3 isn't "mainstream" yet. It won't be until the $35,000 model is actually shipping, and purchasable without waiting months or years. Right now, it's still an "early adopter" car. It's just one that built up demand over a couple years of selling before it shipped. Imagine if Apple announced the iPhone X three years ago, and was only now finally shipping in significant quantities. (And now I'm prepared to be flamed to death by Tesla fanatics - proving the Apple analogy.) I am not anti-Tesla by any stretch, I'm just a realist. I would love to own a Tesla. But I'm not willing to put down a multi-thousand-dollar deposit on a vehicle I won't get for months or years, that I can't even test drive. (I can't afford the currently-available model.) Note that I'm not against pre-ordering things - I have had a preorder in on an EV since before the Model S even had a factory announced - that will finally be delivered later this year. But I only had to put down $100, and the vehicle only costs $13,000.
I know Tesla doesn't do marketing, per se, but you'd think that they would be weary of disappointing a popular fanboy such as yourself. I myself LOVE what Tesla is doing. Your disappointment is so clear that I could easily see it turning potential buyers to another vehicle option. Tesla should take that into account. I would if I ran the PR Dept... . Good luck. Thanks for another interesting video.
Or perhaps made 250k viewers happy because they (Tesla) are not playing favorites. If he wanted his car sooner he should have placed his order sooner...
The problem is that demand for the Model 3 far exceeds even the most optimistic expectations. Hundreds of people were standing in line for hours to put down money on a car they never saw and won't get for 2 years. By the end of the unveiling event Tesla got more reservations than they expected for the next two years. That's why Tesla is frantically trying to ramp up production, and Elon works 120 hours a week.
That's fine for ICE vehicles. I'd take any offering of power, and once EV's take a hold, I would imagine the power availability to lengthen. After all cars park for hours during the day. One step at a time.
I know I'm late to this video, but I want a right to repair and less surveillance. Or, being able to opt in. I also strongly dislike subscribing to services already built in. HEATED SEATS??!!! That is my roadblock.
@@JoshuaHillerup I think the idea is that we perceive AI as being "logical" in the same way as we see ourselves as "logical". But WE aren't, AI is. If AI, using pure logic, analyses the situation and decides there is an illogical element causing inefficiency that can be "adjusted" ("eliminated") but that element is us....... Then we could be in trouble.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I've seen no evidence that we're effectively developing AI in such a fashion. The most effective AI we have now essentially acts on the equivalent of hunches and guesses, and it's still incremental enough that we should have many different AI systems that reach the level you're thinking of at around the same time, meaning if one goes rogue the other (and we should have a *lot* of them) AIs would keep them in line. What's worrying me is automation causing massive job losses without us having an economic system to handle that. But that requires no intent on the part of computers.
yup. unless joe petrol goes berserker and screw it all up... like they did with the GM ev1 (?)... electric cars should take over very soon. specially if the solid electrolyte batteries happen. on that note, could you make a video on "world's economy without combustion engines" ? cos as i see it, extracting crude oil is way too expensive to do just for plastics and the rest of oil products. idk, i foresee i huge cloud of economical dust that will need to settle after getting rid of comustion engines for transport. also, i hope lithium doesn't become the new "oil" cos i'd rather not be invaded by a world power, under weird excuses, for control of our lithium resources (argentina has a lot of lithium. although, given the stupid amount of corruption shown by our liders, im beting that an invasion won't be necessary at all) anyway.. nice video! thanks!!!
The Guy who said that EVs are 80% efficient is being deceptive. The power plant which produces the electricity is not 100% or even 80% efficient so, on its own, it is completely uninteresting whether EVs make use of 80% of the electricity produced since it all depends on how the electricity is produced. That doesn't mean that EV's cannot be more efficient than vehicles running on hydrocarbon but one shouldn't try to use a deceptive and overhyped presentation of facts to convince people that this is so since it will only procduce distrust in the long run.
My only criticism is where does the electricity come from to charge the car in the first place? Most likely fossil fuels because it's the "cheapest" form of energy we've found
Thierry Reese that's the thing, i dabbled into this and the worlds total energy grid is around 80% fossil fuels, but don't get me wrong 10 yrs ago we had only less that 1% from renewables, imagine what 10 yrs later the percentage of renewables would be, i predict around 40% and 80% in 2050, we're making progress.
Joe Scott I understand that it only requires electricity, but the vast majority of electricity produced in the US comes from fossil fuels. I believe this is a step in the right direction to avoid more polution but not a complete solution.
we can't always solve every issue at once, if we can get everyone driving electric cars then once the grid is cleaned up then we can connect both solutions, increasing numbers of wind turbines are being put up and solar is cheaper than ever, i think its not long before the national grid is cleaner than ever
Right now, in the UK, we have panic buying of fuel (it's a whole thing, no lorry drivers or something.) Many stations are completely empty. I cannot imagine how smug EV owners must feel right now.
In short, yeah. Because it's far far less pollution. But don't do it for environmental reasons. Already in the Europe, wind power is cheaper than nuclear (though let's be clear, nuclear produces less co2 overall) and they'll be cheaper than fossils pretty soon. It's happening already anyway. Just google which countries use renewables and how much. Yesterday the UK used 40% of renewables (60% if you include nuclear as a low carbon source). They're still 2nd to the US in terms of carbon per capita but in terms of decarbonising the grid, they're making progress.
Last question first, yes. Even a dirty coal plant into an EV is cleaner than the transportation and refining chain that gets the fossil fuel remains out your tailpipe. Here is the killer app for EVs. You don't have to replace the entire fleet of cars to clean up emissions further. You just start replacing the obsolete and dirty electricity generation plants with cleaner ones. As shin8327 pointed out, wind is now getting so cheap that it is cheaper to shut down a coal plant than to keep it on the grid. Solar is cheaper in many locations. And, with a lot of electric cars, you can get lots of storage for the grid for those times when it needs it without needing to dig into any one person's car's range very deep at all. Remember, your electric car can power your house for nearly a week with no assistance from the grid. Further, it turns out that this microcycling of the car's battery is actually good for its longevity.
Even if the electricity comes from the dirtiest coal plant on the planet it is still 30% more efficient than gasoline!!. Because it takes approx 7kw of electricity to manufacture 1gal of gasoline from oil. That 7kw instead put directly into an EV already gets the car about 40km.
I've always been into muscle cars, big gas engines and power. I'm now 55 years old and the change to electric vehicles just makes sense. I can thank technology for providing electric powered vehicles that have as much and even more power than said muscle cars and are great looking as well! I look forward to a time when it is the norm and they are just called cars, trucks, etc...
Joe, I love your channel, but if you could address the following questions in vblog form, I would be much obliged. Could we take a look at our electricity grid and see how much strain millions of EVs will put on it and how much we would need to spend to upgrade it in order to handle the additional load (figure about 2 million vehicles). Also, since energy has to be burned in order to create this electricity, what is the difference in the Carbon Footprint between the electric cars and regular gasoline powered vehicles that have simply been outfitted to increase fuel efficiency. Thirdly, all the additional demand will increase the cost of electricity, so we'll probably need a realistic estimate of savings between the two. I realize there are many variables in these questions and I have deliberately left it vague in order to simplify it for your purposes if you intend to take this project on. Thank you.
Plus they're viable options for a zombie apocalypse! Quiet, fast, fewer parts to fail (although admittedly less repairable by the average person compared to older ICE's), fill the trunk or tow a trailer with powerwalls and solar panels, set up and charge during the day and drive at night! And all the gas cars will be stranded once all the fuel in abandoned cars and gas stations goes bad.
And what about H fuel cells? They are lighter and like 15 times denser per kilo/liter and they "charge" in a few minutes at most without battery decaying. -they.are.less.efficient- , but still more than triple the gas cars, so... and have potentially a few times more range than gas and battery and similar to less cost.
I got so used to charge at work or home that i hated the drive to fill gas with our ice, and i even forgot coming home with a emty ice car 😂. 30 min saving more then about 2 hours of work/salory (Norway). So using 30 min to save 2 hours of work is positive.
Good video. Would like more info regarding the environmental fingerprint of manufacturing all of those batteries though. Like you did so excellently for the gas stations. Kudos.
"When oil companies start getting in on the action, you know something's starting to happen." - I'm sure that they're working hard to bury our electric futures. =/
I theorize that in 5-10 years, gasoline cars will outperform electric cars in terms of distance traveled between fill-ups, and miles per monies. I expect gasoline vehicles will reach near the 200 mpg mark by then.
Right, this video ignores the current developments of combustion engines. And the fact that millions of people just like a vehicle with a combustion engine. I for myself hate driving in an electric razor.
Considering every human on mars will be supported by about 1000 people on Earth, like with the ISS,I think they will use the the same calendar, like the ISS.
Touch tone phones have been around since the 60s I think After the Bell breakup in 1982 my mom FINALLY let me have a touch tone for my teen line. I'd been begging for a long time, but she wouldn't before the Bell breakup because you had to RENT the phones and touch tone was twice the price of a dial phone, plus touch tone service was more expensive than pulse dialing. I had to pay for the phone myself, though, out of allowance and birthday money, and it was like $50 as I recall. A freaking FORTUNE for a 15-year-old back then, but it was a must-have status symbol in my high school.
Dude, you have to get into FPV... Buy a Tiny Whoop, a cheap pair of FPV goggles like an Eachine EV800D and a good and cheap transmitter (like a FlySky I6X, a FrSky X-Lite and so on)... It's electric, are powered by lithium batteries as well... And would help you to relax a lot. I've been putting FPV even on rc cars! It's awesome!
And in fact in my household we have one EV (Leaf) which serves 95% of our needs and the 4L diesel SUV which is used for only long distances or when two vehicles are need for long distances or at the same time. Which is 2%. The remainder 3%... well that’s that very ol’ Skool thing people don’t do no more... 2L... or Leg Power.
I agree with all your points, but this change is far from being close. For EV to get into the hands of mainstream they have to be less than 30k. Young people in college cannot afford a 30k, nor can the mayority of the population living on regular wages. The change will come, I agree, but is not as close as you think. I am big tech nerd, but I am also not a car person, is just a means to an end. I will not spend 30k when my fossil fuel car still has many miles ahead. Buying a car is not like buying a phone, I don't think comparing this to the iPhone release is fair
I commute 300 miles round-trip once a week but park in a lot with no hope of a recharging station. I need at least a 400 mile range or my workplace parking lot to set up a charging station. I look forward to going electric which will probably help with world peace since there will be less world squabbling over energy sources (oil).
Mad at Tesla. Waited ad long as I could...drove my civic to 250k and could not wait for a 3 ..got a Hyundai Sonata ..a nice car..but not the Tesla ..I dreamed of...
A coal or gas power plant is much more efficient at getting the energy out of fossil fuels than the tiny in comparison combustion engine in your car... For one, they can always run at near optimal RPM and they can get their fuel piped in to avoid the pollution caused by trucks
Even if the electricity comes from the dirtiest coal plant on the planet it is still 30% more efficient than gasoline!!. Because it takes approx 7kw of electricity to manufacture 1gal of gasoline from oil. That 7kw instead put directly into an EV already gets the car about 40km.
The 19th century called they want their gas engines back😂 I always ask people would you go to a gas station to charge your phone or would you rather just plug in at home? Ev is a no brainer!
I stop every 2 hours, 3 hours max when driving long distances. I have to fill gasoline, that takes me minutes (I would rather do something else during that time) even when I have not to fill up, I noticed that each stop is at least 10 minutes (like a drink, something). Can be 20 to 25 minutes when it's lunch time. So having an electric car would make absolutely no difference. Once I have seen a guy with a ferrari filling up. He was filling up when I arrived. I filled up my honda, I paid, I did go do the tires pressure thing... He was still filling up !!! The guy was cooking in the sun, what a pity !! My wife agree that the small honda is way better than the ferrari.
Finding free charging points is getting to be difficult in some areas, especially where Tesla charging stations are part of shared car parks for hotels or other businesses. I have seen a number of Tesla owners on youtube showing how they can't access the chargers because of other non-electric cars parked (Often legally, sometimes illegally) in the way. In a gas station at least people don't tend to abandon their cars at the pumps for hours/over night. Self driving cars that queue for a charger and park elsewhere once charged will sort this though. Sadly there's not a single affordable EV on the market I'm aware of with a load bed that can take a bike with the wheels still on like my current car does. Or that has any range while towing, so nothing that qualifies as an upgrade from what I have is on the market yet... If kits where you ditch your engine, gear box and fuel tank and drop in batteries and a motor instead become available, that could deal with the poor selection of electric vehicle body types on the market at the moment.
Yes, there are still problems, in France most gas stations have just ONE charging spot/plug. Most of the time it is already occupied. French people are still buying fossil vehicle even if they don't want to because of those problems, or living in rented apartments with underground parking with no outlet or if outlet it is outlet reserved for common usage, so you can't charge an EV on those. If then you don't have a plug at work, this is inconvenient.
Joe, I test drove the model 3 performance and p100d a few days ago. I drove the p100d first thinking it would ruin the model 3 for me. Amazingly I actually preferred the model 3. I couldn’t believe it. You are going to like it more than you’d expect. Model 3 actually feels special inside. It’s almost surreal, like you’re experiencing a movie about the future. Model S didn’t feel like that at all.
Thinking about trading in our Renault Zoe, seems like it has similar range as the base model 3. Not sure it might even be some more/less. 41kWh currently in a second hand car, upgraded battery from 22kWh to 41kWh, for 1750euro :). Really love the car and waiting for affordable model 3’s (second hand probably)
I don't know about u but here we need about 350km since u charge since we sometime go 180km round trip and about 70km in city so around 250 which is near the 80% and not including the heating the weather here is mostly in the 40's (C) not F so hot so about 8% of that goes to cooling and don't start me talking about battery cooling the leaf thing is bad I am all for electric stuff it's like the ball pen of pens though manufacture need to step up their game add more milage and battery cooling so about 250< and battery cooling and super charging like daim there's some good ev cars without SC LIKE WHY and I am waiting for honda city it's Looks really gooooooD
The other paradigm shift is covered by the channel Technology Connections pretty well and its that people think that gas stations need to be changed to EV charging stations. But in reality the normal neighborhood gas station will just - go away - (Turn into convenience stores only) because if you have EV car, you have your EV charging station/gas station AT HOME. "Oh, I need to get gas" phrase becomes completely irrelevant. The "gas station" of the EV world will be more akin to the truck stops on the interstate servicing EVs on long haul or vacations.
Very true, why stop at a gas station charger and wait around. You can charge at home, work or shopping mail. I live in the UK and have 2 EVs, I find BPs and Shells purchase of charging networks and plans to add chargers to all gas station as a sign of desperation. They are trying to convert a gas station into a EV charging point as well. It will not work. If you need a public charger then the best locations are at your destination, mall, cinema, supermarket ect, almost anywhere else is better than sitting at a gas station breathing in ICE fumes. Only the large highway service stations are needed, not the smaller stations. The only way old gas stations will survive is to add restaurants and shops, so the EV driver can take a proper 15-30 minute break.
“Shut up dad!” You literally just made my day!!! I am going through the same thing from my Diesel loving Father...not only that but my girlfriends sister is married into a successful oil family so I get it left and right! Hang in there man....that is all we can do!!! 💪
About the phones: "...Now it was the whole new way of experiencing the world..." :D "..experiencing the world...", maaan, that's funny)))))))......... And that picture, man......))))) It's so on the nose)))))......
A little bit forced on the humor, but overall a very good vid today. Lots of not-so-obvious details brought to the forefront in your analysis, great variety in presentation, excellent work! 👍👍 from Bangkok
I'm a truck driver and I use to drive 10hiurs straight the noise of the engine can be drowned out by the radio and if the breaks don't work just get a louder horn quite can make you fall a sleep I'm all about the Miles
People talk about charging stations... WIRELESS CHARGING will be the thing, man... Just park your car, and it charges automatically because wireless chargers will be embedded in the floor!!! People would never care about charging the car.. just park and it charges!
@8:44 No reason why you couldn't charge at every light pole... Yeah there is, main one being simply not enough power being able to be supplied. Todays tesla charging (not the 400V one mentioned)... "A Tesla Wall Connector installed on a 60 amp / 240 volt circuit breaker will achieve the maximum charge rate of 11.5 kW for 75 kWh configured vehicles. A Tesla Wall Connector installed on a 90 amp / 240 volt circuit breaker will achieve the maximum charge rate of 17.2 kW for a 100 kWh configured vehicle." An old US street lamp used 1KW. Modern ones use 400W or less. Even at todays charging rates using ye-olde sodium lamp infrastructure, you would need between 12 and 18 lamp stands to supply one charging station. Correct me if i'm wrong, coz i could be :)
Hope you get your model 3 soon. For us the earliest will be mid to end of next year. Have to wait for Right Hand Drive to be done first. So in the mean time - A 2011 Leaf bought 1 year ago, and already done 16,000km in even with a range of about 80km max. Cost of $12,500NZD. And a 2016 Hyundai Ioniq bought about 6 months ago for $51,000NZD and have done about 12,000km already. Here the cost of EV's is quite high, and we have no government help on the purchase price. So a new base Ioniq is 60K, and the new Kona, 74K. And for comparison a Mazda 3 starts at about $31k. Even so - I'm really happy with both EVs we have, and the amount we save each month in petrol, covers the cost of the money we borrowed to buy the EVs with still some left over. So it still works for us at least. Keep up the great videos, Joe.
Soooo...... I don't mean to be...mean, but... Excitement about material things kinda fails to grab me, completely fails..... I mean are these the things to get excited about, really?!? Changing one car to another car... A car is just a car, man...Chill. In the world where humans are barely conscious, barely aware of their own actions...I'd imagine we'd be more interested in that. But yeah, material grabs people's attention because then you kinda don't have to look inside and see your madness. Just saying. I'm excited about different things. Like love, instead of relationships. Pure creativity, instead of business (busy-ness - so f***ing on the nose BTW). And BEING alive, FEELING alive, instead of thinking ABOUT life.
I don't want a car, which constanstantly spys on me and can be shut off by big brother. EVs are not cars with electric engine, they are smartphones on wheels, where transport is not their main purpose, but collecting data for big brother. Therefore i keep my petrol car.
Hey Joe, give me a yell if you need a charger circuit set up in your garage. I am one of the DFW Electrical Contractors that does that. Make sure you get things ready BEFORE you bring the car home. :) Some folks wait until the day they get it and then everything is a panic. Have played with a LOT of S(s) and X(s) and they are great. You know what the next thing upper end folks get after they get their FIRST Tesla? ANOTHER Tesla. :) True Story. I am more of a poor boy, myself. I got a used Volt for about $11.5K used, here in Dallas. Great car, too. Chevy gives them Great Support. I bought it off a private lot, but the Chevy House went through the whole thing and fixed up three things . . . for . . . FREE. So. Welcome to EV Land!
shut up dad!
Omg I think Joe must be my brother!!
Roadblock 3a: Used Vehicle Availability.
I know you covered cost, and the increasing availability at lower prices from other manufacturers, but there are lots of people who can only ever afford older used cars - the kind you can pick up for under £2k. It will take at least a decade of widespread use by new buyers for EV's to be available in that range, and until then we're stuck with internal combustion no matter how much we'd like to switch. The long-term cost might be lower, but the initial cost of any new vehicle remains a huge and insurmountable barrier for some.
Also thumbs up for Kryten!
I agree, it's when there's a mature used market for electrics, we'll finally see mass adoption.
The issue those customers will run into is a reducing amount of gas stations. As the amount of Gas customers drops away.
As we get into to the back half of the next ten years.
My guess for the future by then is that cars will be more shared, subscribed (pay per use / ride) or leased than actually bought or owned. People will consume mobility according to their specific needs and situation. Like your (smart) phone.
In 10 years nobody will own a vehicle anyway, as just getting a driverless uber electric car ride would be so cheap nobody would want to waste the garage space.
Agreed, there's a lot of pipeline to fill, but its typically only a few years before cars start going to their 2nd owners. Also: smeg head
Dang. Was hoping "Electric Vehicle Revolution" meant your Model 3 had arrived. Soon, my friend, soon. "Shut up dad" Lol. :-)
Our apartment building recently installed a 120v outlet in the public garage for my M3 spot. I pay $19 flat per month for the electricity.. I live in DC and drive less than 20 miles per day. The building management is very supportive and sweet. Not every apartment building have public garage and have supportive owners tho, still hard to find.
As electric cars become popular chargers will become “features” owners can use to draw in renters.
The problem in colder climates is that apartments with outdoor parking already have 110 volt outlets however they often put several outlets on a circuit because the outlets are for block heaters which only consume 50 watts per car. There will no doubt be some idiot who will buy an EV, plug it into these outlets and when winter comes and everyone else plugs in their block heaters, the circuit will trip and everyone on the circuit will be late for work. A few apartments with assigned outdoor parking wire the parking lot's outlet to the circuit breaker inside the apartment in order for the apartment management to not have to pay the power bill for the block heaters but then power theft would be an issue given how close the lots are and how each outlet has two sockets, people often ignore their neighbour plugging the block heater into the wrong outlet as accidental but charging an EV makes it a more serious issue.
@@johnwang9914 Hypothesis - if power theft becomes problem, someone will propose to put the power output for the EV charge after some kind of remotely activated circuit breaker, one that will close the circuit only after completing some kind of authentication /shake hand with its owner's car.
A counterpart in the vehicle, that doesn't draw power unless it sees it is drawing from a "[my] EV charge authorized output" would solve the accidental "plug in the neighbour's block heather" issue.
It shouldn't be more complicated than, say, having Ethernet over the power cables (in fact, that would be a nice starting point to develop the thing).
Only thing, it would be nice if they already started talking about standardization of these details...
This is old news, but in a real cold climate (Fairbanks Alaska), the draw for block heaters for a full sized truck is more like 1100 watts. That's 800-1000 for the block, 100-150 for transmission, similar for the oil pan, and however much for the trickle charger or battery heater consume. 50 watts wouldn't even get my oil warm enough to flow at -50.
Lmfao! Love the rant.... I Mean Why?
wait till HCCI is a thing, there will be no EVs.
Hahahahahahahahahahahah
The hole point is efficiency and the minimum waste of energy ...
for the same reason is why Hydrogen sucks... Its cool for a fast storage and availability for emergencies ... but fails because it has the same problems with petroleum ...
Even with Hydrogen, it will be a fuel cell that generates electricity for an electric drive train so it will still be an electric car...
@@kerryhavas3987
"It will still be an electric car", but 40% efficient instars of 90%+.
I was soooo excited and then soooo heartbroken for you! Don’t know what was more heartbreaking, this or the ending to Infinity War 😂 Stay Strong Joe, the wait will be worth it soon! 😊
New Joe Scott video just as I'm taking a quick coffee break!? Don't mind if I do! ☕
Still need my morning coffee...
Ah time zones, you silly silly things!
If kryten says its happening then it's truly inevitable
Christopher MacLennan Fully charged is the best
Hahaha, that intro 👌
Too relatable
12:55
The 500e's actually a really solid ev to be honest.
And first gen Chevy volts are getting down to like 8k
I had to get a ton of work done on my current car and came so close to getting the 500e. But decided to wait for the M3.
That intro tho😂
You should move to Norway, we got 240 as standardt outlets, and yeah, we're one of the most developed country in the world when it comes to electric vehicles. And most of our power is hydroelectric :)
But you are still an oil based economy!
Everything starts... Nothing will start changing today and tomorrow it's done.
Norway is doing a great job in electric mobility.
Loved the intro. Keep doing your thing Joe 👍👍👍
Definitely saving up for a Tesla model 3, can’t wait for the future of EVs
Japs are investing in hydrogen. Pay attention.
@@MikeJones-rk1un Who says "japs" in 2020. Idiot.
@Goya best not to pay them any attention. They’re just looking for people to notice them.
Great video. I have had an EV for over a year now (Renault Zoe - not available in the US - 150-200 miles range depending on weather and speed and a tad over $22.5K after haggling at today's exchange rate) and I can't see myself ever going back to gas.
Robert Smith That car has had great reviews and seems very popular in Europe. Awesome.
@Manny Santiago it is a bargain for an EV but is a small car and doesn't go like a Tesla. The list price is a lot higher but for some reason Renault dealers give huge discounts despite a waiting list.
@@robsmith1a
Again the fixation with speed?
You do realise that 95% of drivers would use the potential, and probably couldn't handle the full power of a car that "goes like a Tesla"?
Even current Diesel cars accelerate as fast as many "exotic" cars did 40 years ago.
I love my Zoe but it definitely could do with more power. If a car in front is doing 40 mph I have to have a very long straight ahead to overtake safely because the acceleration really tails off above 50 mph (the new version of the Zoe may have fixed this issue though). I'm not bothered about power like I used to be (I had a V8 supercar years ago and very fast bike). Having said that the Zoe is great around town and the only thing I don't like is that the weight can always be felt (over bumps and the braking distance is definitely longer than in a small ICE car). My general comment was that the Zoe is built to a price and therefore has less bells and whistles than a more expensive car though the excellent range makes it a compelling choice for me. I drive within the speed limit but would not turn down more acceleration unless it became ludicrous.
China at the moment uses electric cars, scooters and also articulated public busses and delivery trucks.
In many cities ONLY electric trucks are allowed in the centres.
The change over the last two years has been amazing.
Congrats on getting a Tesla Joe
I’ll thank you when I actually get it.
Dude, that's salty 😅
Joe Scott are you sure about that?
Tesla Joe is actually a pretty cool name
Every electric car is a good car!
I love driving fully electric cars. It's so relaxing end enjoyable.
the oil companies are going to have a Kodak moment e be forgotten
8:35 If you have a very energy intensif street light. Converting to LED makes scense and then your cable in the ground is mutch to thick. Thus, you can add chargers without renewing the cable. Total capacaty stays the same. This is what we are doing in Holand. For every 4 street lights you can add one `descent speed` charger.
EV chargers can pop up everywhere, Parking Meters , Streetlights and even just a Bollard with a charger, they can be Level 2 or FAST chargers , and the city can provide FREE parking and FREE Level 2 charging for EV, but while charging a good price for FAST charging. SF has a EV charger using Renewable energy. many others can use Renewable Power at Chargepoint as well.
Good plan, actually.
Might as well use that huge cable for something
Yep and being trialled in the UK too by www.ubitricity.com/en/
Can you say that in English?
Mark Rutte
Can you say that in Dutch? Don't be a dipshit.
Got to tell you, every vid is like hanging out with my friends back at Penn State in the day. A keg, some green, a physics exam on Monday.
Transportation needs a massive rethink. "Your car spends 90% of its time parked". Just 10% of its life doing what it was built to do. There has got to be a better way.
A shared fleet of autonomous vehicles. At just 10% utilization it would suggest that there are ten times more cars than are realoy needed. That's not quite correct since utilization probably jumps to 30-40% during morning and evening rush hours and maybe as most 1-2% during the mid-night to 4am slot. But that still means the current fleet is 2.5 to 3 times too big. It would be easy to cut the number of cars in half and throw on a few more buses & subways to be really sure during the rush hours.
The fleet can be made up of a range of sized vehicles. The vast majority, probably 90% could be single seat pods with about as much room again for cargo. Another 8% of 4 or 6 seater vehicles for family or carpools. 2% panel trucks for those very infrequent household moves and Ikea shopping sprees.
There aught to be a rethink of intercity travel. As it is each and every person who travels medium intercity distances has to occupy themselves with keeping their vehicle between the lane markings. Longer trips are almost always by air. Trains can not only go much faster than highway travel they also completely free up travellers to rest or other activities. Trains have a much higher chance of electrification. Trains are much more energy efficient given their ultimate in tail-gating travel. They can be much safer when tracks are properly instrumented.
Lenard Segnitz you mentioned some good things, but I wouldn't compare rush hour times from now compared to the future. Most cities don't charge any penalties for driving at rush hour, and therefore too many people drive all at once and traffic is created. If we make it completely free to travel at the same time, then of course we will get a lot of traffic. We suffer from traffic because of a lack of price system.
However, mobility as a service providers will charge fees based on demand. This will naturally reduce traffic at our current peak times and distribute traffic to other times, based on individual economizing. For example, most delivery bots will probably run during the cheapest times, rather than driving at peak times.
Take a bike. Citys don't need cars. Combine EBikes for heavy transport.
Then they will start charging for the gravity to power such a thing. Oh, and you want a net to catch you? That's extra.
Really don't need to go places that often either.
It is called Public transportation and in its electric version, the train, metro ...
Price isn't an issue because EVs last way longer than gasoline cars since they don't have many moving parts and it's cheaper to power them.
Wrong, electronics is the new thing that renders cars economically total loss over time.
@@DevasionX And fast, buy an electric car of a few years old, and you buy severely outdated technology. Like the Nissan he mentioned.
“Shut up, Dad!!”
My dad is actually super excited about this car, I should point out.
that part had me laughing, hard. very funny.
Electric driving is so wonderful. I never like going back to an internal combustion engine powered car.
240V in the UK :) we start al level 2
slarti bartfast same in AUS
Three phase is 400volts, fairly common here in Israel.
Same in Au. And 415V 3-phase is pretty common in suburbia as well since all the street wiring is 3ph by default (they tap every third house on each phase). The cost for my 3ph connection was only ~$200 more than the cost for single-phase from memory.
... As all the rest of Europe. It's a common european standard, not just an UK thing!
It's the same in all of Europe, South America, most of Asia and I think Africa as well.
I believe USA, Canada and Japan to be the few countries to have 120V outlets as standard.
1% of the new cars are ev, you can't call that a revolution. The smartphone "revolution" took 3 to 4 year to make 50% of the market since the iphone showed up, knowing that the shelf live of a phone is 1,5 years and a car is 7... The ev will take at least 15 years to be a comon
Tesla alone outsells Jaguar, Porsche and soon BMW in US sales. By this time next year it could be the biggest selling sedan in USA, currently fifth.
@@waynerussell6401 Too bad the world is slightly bigger then the US....
Once again a great video with lots of laughs, thanks Joe (:
Sadly there is still a lot of FUD about electric cars, however I know that fossil fuel companies have realised their fate and started working on battery technology and renewable energy.
Rantastic! Great video :-)
1st world problems Bro Joe, 1st world problems.
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There's a lot of changes in the next 10 to 15 years, but do you think you'll get your model 3 by then?
4:00 - Imagine if we spent the last 100 year working on batteries instead of ignoring them. Solor + Batteries = solution.
taibhsear71 there was a waitbutwhy.com article that articulated this point in an amazing way!
Don't forget wind energy;)
True, but batteries were an early option and the Rockefellers shit canned, the same thing they did with alcohol ICE. Buy my oil or die!
Wind power has been around for centuries but it's not reliable in most places. While it has improved in the last few decades, nothing about the method has. Solar is vastly more efficient and way cheaper than it used to be. The only thing we are really missing is batteries to store the power. If you want to see what a couple decades of batteries technology looks like, google a cell phone from the 80s.
We did work on batteries, too, but many of the recent advances have come from nanotech which just didn't exist even 20 years ago. Physics knowledge has changed a lot in the last century and with it the tech applications. 1918 was the end of WWI and the widespread adoption of electricity was still brand new. Lightbulbs were the smartphones of that year.
@@taibhsear71
Solar and wind are complimentary.
Solar heat (often) creates air currents which make wind.
On the other hand, if the sun isn't shining during the day, it's likely the weather is inclement, which tends to be more windy.
I'm just worried about the "Model 3 is the iPhone of cars" analogy. EVs are already "mainstream" from *MANY* manufacturers. I'd argue that the Nissan Leaf was the "iPhone of cars" - it was the first actual *mass market* EV. Tesla always struck me as "the Blackberry of EVs" - an analogy that would have been a compliment when Tesla started. A new company that revolutionized a market that technically existed already, but was ultra-niche. They made it "mainstream niche" for a certain clientele. Tesla has been similar.
I hope Tesla can deliver on everything they want (same with SpaceX,) but there's more competition in cars than rockets. As soon as Ford, GM, and Toyota all decide to actually go "full bore" EV, Tesla will have a tough time keeping up. Sure, they'll still be the "halo brand" (much as Apple is,) but they won't be the "mainstream #1 brand" (just as Apple isn't. Samsung and Huawei both outsell Apple.)
Lastly, the model 3 isn't "mainstream" yet. It won't be until the $35,000 model is actually shipping, and purchasable without waiting months or years. Right now, it's still an "early adopter" car. It's just one that built up demand over a couple years of selling before it shipped. Imagine if Apple announced the iPhone X three years ago, and was only now finally shipping in significant quantities.
(And now I'm prepared to be flamed to death by Tesla fanatics - proving the Apple analogy.) I am not anti-Tesla by any stretch, I'm just a realist. I would love to own a Tesla. But I'm not willing to put down a multi-thousand-dollar deposit on a vehicle I won't get for months or years, that I can't even test drive. (I can't afford the currently-available model.) Note that I'm not against pre-ordering things - I have had a preorder in on an EV since before the Model S even had a factory announced - that will finally be delivered later this year. But I only had to put down $100, and the vehicle only costs $13,000.
I know Tesla doesn't do marketing, per se, but you'd think that they would be weary of disappointing a popular fanboy such as yourself. I myself LOVE what Tesla is doing. Your disappointment is so clear that I could easily see it turning potential buyers to another vehicle option. Tesla should take that into account. I would if I ran the PR Dept...
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Good luck.
Thanks for another interesting video.
I agree, it's like they just disappointed 250k people a little bit.
Or perhaps made 250k viewers happy because they (Tesla) are not playing favorites. If he wanted his car sooner he should have placed his order sooner...
Gene Phipps
Him not currently having it is not the whole issue.
The problem is that demand for the Model 3 far exceeds even the most optimistic expectations. Hundreds of people were standing in line for hours to put down money on a car they never saw and won't get for 2 years. By the end of the unveiling event Tesla got more reservations than they expected for the next two years.
That's why Tesla is frantically trying to ramp up production, and Elon works 120 hours a week.
I agree. Tesla sells a lot of Nissan Leafs (Leaves? Oh I don't know!) For most people, that is a better option than a Tesla Model 3.
In our climate (The Great White North) many outdoor car parks already have electrical outlets for block heaters. So we are good to go for EV's!
That's fine for ICE vehicles. I'd take any offering of power, and once EV's take a hold, I would imagine the power availability to lengthen. After all cars park for hours during the day. One step at a time.
Block heaters use more than 300 Watts . Regardless every electrical outlet in Canada is minimum 15amp. 1500 Watts capacity.
Another good video, entertaining and informative. Thanks!
Just got my Chevy Volt a month ago and I love it! I only used 2.5 gal of gas in over 3000 km! The next one is definitely all electric!
YEYEY 1st actually "fresh" vid since I subbed
I know I'm late to this video, but I want a right to repair and less surveillance. Or, being able to opt in. I also strongly dislike subscribing to services already built in. HEATED SEATS??!!! That is my roadblock.
Great video Joe. Enjoyed this one alot. Would like to see more of this topic. Hope you get your model 3 soon.
My question is, from now on will everyone always be living in the most transformative period of human history?
Yes, up until the time AI takes over. Which will be sooner than everyone thinks.
EnlightenedSavage why would that stop the acceleration?
@@EnlightenedSavage If anything, that would accelerate our advancement by an even more significant portion.
@@JoshuaHillerup
I think the idea is that we perceive AI as being "logical" in the same way as we see ourselves as "logical". But WE aren't, AI is. If AI, using pure logic, analyses the situation and decides there is an illogical element causing inefficiency that can be "adjusted" ("eliminated") but that element is us....... Then we could be in trouble.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I've seen no evidence that we're effectively developing AI in such a fashion. The most effective AI we have now essentially acts on the equivalent of hunches and guesses, and it's still incremental enough that we should have many different AI systems that reach the level you're thinking of at around the same time, meaning if one goes rogue the other (and we should have a *lot* of them) AIs would keep them in line.
What's worrying me is automation causing massive job losses without us having an economic system to handle that. But that requires no intent on the part of computers.
Having grown up in the era when a computer was the size of a room I laughed my ass off at "They had electricity, why were they using gas?!?"
7:00 eh Fully Charged 😀
yup. unless joe petrol goes berserker and screw it all up... like they did with the GM ev1 (?)... electric cars should take over very soon. specially if the solid electrolyte batteries happen. on that note, could you make a video on "world's economy without combustion engines" ? cos as i see it, extracting crude oil is way too expensive to do just for plastics and the rest of oil products. idk, i foresee i huge cloud of economical dust that will need to settle after getting rid of comustion engines for transport.
also, i hope lithium doesn't become the new "oil" cos i'd rather not be invaded by a world power, under weird excuses, for control of our lithium resources (argentina has a lot of lithium. although, given the stupid amount of corruption shown by our liders, im beting that an invasion won't be necessary at all)
anyway.. nice video! thanks!!!
Best intro
The Guy who said that EVs are 80% efficient is being deceptive. The power plant which produces the electricity is not 100% or even 80% efficient so, on its own, it is completely uninteresting whether EVs make use of 80% of the electricity produced since it all depends on how the electricity is produced. That doesn't mean that EV's cannot be more efficient than vehicles running on hydrocarbon but one shouldn't try to use a deceptive and overhyped presentation of facts to convince people that this is so since it will only procduce distrust in the long run.
My only criticism is where does the electricity come from to charge the car in the first place? Most likely fossil fuels because it's the "cheapest" form of energy we've found
I address this in a later video.
Try an electric lawn mower, then try a gas lawn mower.
Thierry Reese that's the thing, i dabbled into this and the worlds total energy grid is around 80% fossil fuels, but don't get me wrong 10 yrs ago we had only less that 1% from renewables, imagine what 10 yrs later the percentage of renewables would be, i predict around 40% and 80% in 2050, we're making progress.
Joe Scott I understand that it only requires electricity, but the vast majority of electricity produced in the US comes from fossil fuels. I believe this is a step in the right direction to avoid more polution but not a complete solution.
we can't always solve every issue at once, if we can get everyone driving electric cars then once the grid is cleaned up then we can connect both solutions, increasing numbers of wind turbines are being put up and solar is cheaper than ever, i think its not long before the national grid is cleaner than ever
Right now, in the UK, we have panic buying of fuel (it's a whole thing, no lorry drivers or something.) Many stations are completely empty. I cannot imagine how smug EV owners must feel right now.
How will we meet the demand this electricity need? Coal? Nuclear? Solar? Wind? All of them? Is trading one source of pollution for another worth it?
In short, yeah. Because it's far far less pollution.
But don't do it for environmental reasons. Already in the Europe, wind power is cheaper than nuclear (though let's be clear, nuclear produces less co2 overall) and they'll be cheaper than fossils pretty soon.
It's happening already anyway. Just google which countries use renewables and how much. Yesterday the UK used 40% of renewables (60% if you include nuclear as a low carbon source). They're still 2nd to the US in terms of carbon per capita but in terms of decarbonising the grid, they're making progress.
Last question first, yes. Even a dirty coal plant into an EV is cleaner than the transportation and refining chain that gets the fossil fuel remains out your tailpipe.
Here is the killer app for EVs. You don't have to replace the entire fleet of cars to clean up emissions further. You just start replacing the obsolete and dirty electricity generation plants with cleaner ones.
As shin8327 pointed out, wind is now getting so cheap that it is cheaper to shut down a coal plant than to keep it on the grid. Solar is cheaper in many locations. And, with a lot of electric cars, you can get lots of storage for the grid for those times when it needs it without needing to dig into any one person's car's range very deep at all. Remember, your electric car can power your house for nearly a week with no assistance from the grid. Further, it turns out that this microcycling of the car's battery is actually good for its longevity.
Even if the electricity comes from the dirtiest coal plant on the planet it is still 30% more efficient than gasoline!!. Because it takes approx 7kw of electricity to manufacture 1gal of gasoline from oil. That 7kw instead put directly into an EV already gets the car about 40km.
I've always been into muscle cars, big gas engines and power. I'm now 55 years old and the change to electric vehicles just makes sense. I can thank technology for providing electric powered vehicles that have as much and even more power than said muscle cars and are great looking as well! I look forward to a time when it is the norm and they are just called cars, trucks, etc...
If it’s Monday it’s answers with Joe. And he finally got his Tesla!
Not yet! 😭
Joe, I love your channel, but if you could address the following questions in vblog form, I would be much obliged. Could we take a look at our electricity grid and see how much strain millions of EVs will put on it and how much we would need to spend to upgrade it in order to handle the additional load (figure about 2 million vehicles). Also, since energy has to be burned in order to create this electricity, what is the difference in the Carbon Footprint between the electric cars and regular gasoline powered vehicles that have simply been outfitted to increase fuel efficiency. Thirdly, all the additional demand will increase the cost of electricity, so we'll probably need a realistic estimate of savings between the two. I realize there are many variables in these questions and I have deliberately left it vague in order to simplify it for your purposes if you intend to take this project on. Thank you.
So you will be getting your car?? But you have no idea when u will get it?? Lol
Yeah, it’s a blast.
Plus they're viable options for a zombie apocalypse! Quiet, fast, fewer parts to fail (although admittedly less repairable by the average person compared to older ICE's), fill the trunk or tow a trailer with powerwalls and solar panels, set up and charge during the day and drive at night! And all the gas cars will be stranded once all the fuel in abandoned cars and gas stations goes bad.
And what about H fuel cells?
They are lighter and like 15 times denser per kilo/liter and they "charge" in a few minutes at most without battery decaying.
-they.are.less.efficient- , but still more than triple the gas cars, so... and have potentially a few times more range than gas and battery and similar to less cost.
I got so used to charge at work or home that i hated the drive to fill gas with our ice, and i even forgot coming home with a emty ice car 😂. 30 min saving more then about 2 hours of work/salory (Norway). So using 30 min to save 2 hours of work is positive.
Good video. Would like more info regarding the environmental fingerprint of manufacturing all of those batteries though. Like you did so excellently for the gas stations. Kudos.
"When oil companies start getting in on the action, you know something's starting to happen." - I'm sure that they're working hard to bury our electric futures. =/
The new Delorean DMC 14 must be an EV for sure.
- Flux Capacitors sold separately -
Here in the Netherlands, Shell will be putting chargers in all their gas stations. That's how worried they are!
I theorize that in 5-10 years, gasoline cars will outperform electric cars in terms of distance traveled between fill-ups, and miles per monies. I expect gasoline vehicles will reach near the 200 mpg mark by then.
Right, this video ignores the current developments of combustion engines. And the fact that millions of people just like a vehicle with a combustion engine. I for myself hate driving in an electric razor.
yeah but my straight pipe two stroke detroit diesel sounds so good...
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You know, i keep hearing about "new battery tech" every year, and every year all we have is Lithium Ion...
230v is Standard in Europe and three-Phase current is 400V ;)
mass produced graphene batteries from China by 2020 :-)
I wouldn't be surprised if BP bought Chargemaster with plans to sabotage them though, that's not an unprecedented idea!
We had push button telephones by, at least, the early 70's.
Question about humans living on mars. How will the calendar of mars be different than that of earths. Also, will the two be compatible?
arms length ? I’m confused, what is lassie and what is channel 18??
Considering every human on mars will be supported by about 1000 people on Earth, like with the ISS,I think they will use the the same calendar, like the ISS.
Touch tone phones have been around since the 60s I think
After the Bell breakup in 1982 my mom FINALLY let me have a touch tone for my teen line. I'd been begging for a long time, but she wouldn't before the Bell breakup because you had to RENT the phones and touch tone was twice the price of a dial phone, plus touch tone service was more expensive than pulse dialing. I had to pay for the phone myself, though, out of allowance and birthday money, and it was like $50 as I recall. A freaking FORTUNE for a 15-year-old back then, but it was a must-have status symbol in my high school.
Dude, you have to get into FPV... Buy a Tiny Whoop, a cheap pair of FPV goggles like an Eachine EV800D and a good and cheap transmitter (like a FlySky I6X, a FrSky X-Lite and so on)... It's electric, are powered by lithium batteries as well... And would help you to relax a lot. I've been putting FPV even on rc cars! It's awesome!
And in fact in my household we have one EV (Leaf) which serves 95% of our needs and the 4L diesel SUV which is used for only long distances or when two vehicles are need for long distances or at the same time. Which is 2%. The remainder 3%... well that’s that very ol’ Skool thing people don’t do no more... 2L... or Leg Power.
I agree with all your points, but this change is far from being close. For EV to get into the hands of mainstream they have to be less than 30k. Young people in college cannot afford a 30k, nor can the mayority of the population living on regular wages. The change will come, I agree, but is not as close as you think. I am big tech nerd, but I am also not a car person, is just a means to an end. I will not spend 30k when my fossil fuel car still has many miles ahead.
Buying a car is not like buying a phone, I don't think comparing this to the iPhone release is fair
I commute 300 miles round-trip once a week but park in a lot with no hope of a recharging station. I need at least a 400 mile range or my workplace parking lot to set up a charging station. I look forward to going electric which will probably help with world peace since there will be less world squabbling over energy sources (oil).
Mad at Tesla. Waited ad long as I could...drove my civic to 250k and could not wait for a 3 ..got a Hyundai Sonata ..a nice car..but not the Tesla ..I dreamed of...
Joe, do a video on the attempts by various fossil fuel companies to retard the growth of electric power. It's been happening since the early 1900's.
And no contaminated fuel with electric.
Really enjoyed this video, Joe. And that intro literally had me laughing out loud!
Special travel lanes that wirelessly charge your electric car while you sleep!
YES! Sort of takes care of the whole range/"but it takes so long to recharge!" issue right there, doesn't it? Basically EVs with infinite range.
Dude. Skip the Model 3 and just get a Chevy Bolt. The cult of Tesla will do fine without you.
Kevin Corvus
Petrolhead cult?
Kevin Corvus yeah like the Ford Model T cult
I suppose one thing missing here is how many new power stations will be built to cope with the demand, and how many of them would run on fossil fuels.
A coal or gas power plant is much more efficient at getting the energy out of fossil fuels than the tiny in comparison combustion engine in your car... For one, they can always run at near optimal RPM and they can get their fuel piped in to avoid the pollution caused by trucks
Even if the electricity comes from the dirtiest coal plant on the planet it is still 30% more efficient than gasoline!!. Because it takes approx 7kw of electricity to manufacture 1gal of gasoline from oil. That 7kw instead put directly into an EV already gets the car about 40km.
The 19th century called they want their gas engines back😂 I always ask people would you go to a gas station to charge your phone or would you rather just plug in at home? Ev is a no brainer!
Ridiculous comparison.
DevasionX Evs and phones charge at home whats ridiculous smart guy? I can tell youre not intelligent must be trumtard!😂lol
I stop every 2 hours, 3 hours max when driving long distances. I have to fill gasoline, that takes me minutes (I would rather do something else during that time) even when I have not to fill up, I noticed that each stop is at least 10 minutes (like a drink, something). Can be 20 to 25 minutes when it's lunch time. So having an electric car would make absolutely no difference. Once I have seen a guy with a ferrari filling up. He was filling up when I arrived. I filled up my honda, I paid, I did go do the tires pressure thing... He was still filling up !!! The guy was cooking in the sun, what a pity !! My wife agree that the small honda is way better than the ferrari.
Finding free charging points is getting to be difficult in some areas, especially where Tesla charging stations are part of shared car parks for hotels or other businesses. I have seen a number of Tesla owners on youtube showing how they can't access the chargers because of other non-electric cars parked (Often legally, sometimes illegally) in the way. In a gas station at least people don't tend to abandon their cars at the pumps for hours/over night. Self driving cars that queue for a charger and park elsewhere once charged will sort this though. Sadly there's not a single affordable EV on the market I'm aware of with a load bed that can take a bike with the wheels still on like my current car does. Or that has any range while towing, so nothing that qualifies as an upgrade from what I have is on the market yet...
If kits where you ditch your engine, gear box and fuel tank and drop in batteries and a motor instead become available, that could deal with the poor selection of electric vehicle body types on the market at the moment.
Yes, there are still problems, in France most gas stations have just ONE charging spot/plug. Most of the time it is already occupied. French people are still buying fossil vehicle even if they don't want to because of those problems, or living in rented apartments with underground parking with no outlet or if outlet it is outlet reserved for common usage, so you can't charge an EV on those. If then you don't have a plug at work, this is inconvenient.
Joe, I test drove the model 3 performance and p100d a few days ago. I drove the p100d first thinking it would ruin the model 3 for me. Amazingly I actually preferred the model 3. I couldn’t believe it. You are going to like it more than you’d expect. Model 3 actually feels special inside. It’s almost surreal, like you’re experiencing a movie about the future. Model S didn’t feel like that at all.
Thinking about trading in our Renault Zoe, seems like it has similar range as the base model 3. Not sure it might even be some more/less. 41kWh currently in a second hand car, upgraded battery from 22kWh to 41kWh, for 1750euro :). Really love the car and waiting for affordable model 3’s (second hand probably)
I don't know about u but here we need about 350km since u charge since we sometime go 180km round trip and about 70km in city so around 250 which is near the 80% and not including the heating the weather here is mostly in the 40's (C) not F so hot so about 8% of that goes to cooling and don't start me talking about battery cooling the leaf thing is bad
I am all for electric stuff it's like the ball pen of pens
though manufacture need to step up their game add more milage and battery cooling
so about 250< and battery cooling and super charging like daim there's some good ev cars without SC LIKE WHY
and I am waiting for honda city it's Looks really gooooooD
The other paradigm shift is covered by the channel Technology Connections pretty well and its that people think that gas stations need to be changed to EV charging stations. But in reality the normal neighborhood gas station will just - go away - (Turn into convenience stores only) because if you have EV car, you have your EV charging station/gas station AT HOME. "Oh, I need to get gas" phrase becomes completely irrelevant. The "gas station" of the EV world will be more akin to the truck stops on the interstate servicing EVs on long haul or vacations.
Very true, why stop at a gas station charger and wait around. You can charge at home, work or shopping mail. I live in the UK and have 2 EVs, I find BPs and Shells purchase of charging networks and plans to add chargers to all gas station as a sign of desperation. They are trying to convert a gas station into a EV charging point as well. It will not work. If you need a public charger then the best locations are at your destination, mall, cinema, supermarket ect, almost anywhere else is better than sitting at a gas station breathing in ICE fumes. Only the large highway service stations are needed, not the smaller stations.
The only way old gas stations will survive is to add restaurants and shops, so the EV driver can take a proper 15-30 minute break.
“Shut up dad!” You literally just made my day!!! I am going through the same thing from my Diesel loving Father...not only that but my girlfriends sister is married into a successful oil family so I get it left and right! Hang in there man....that is all we can do!!! 💪
The Roadster was the first EV to use Li-Ion, not Model S ;)
About the phones: "...Now it was the whole new way of experiencing the world..." :D "..experiencing the world...", maaan, that's funny)))))))......... And that picture, man......))))) It's so on the nose)))))......
A little bit forced on the humor, but overall a very good vid today. Lots of not-so-obvious details brought to the forefront in your analysis, great variety in presentation, excellent work!
👍👍 from Bangkok
In the future, combustion cars and gas stations will be charming, and a reminder of the good old times, when they could crash and explode.
I'm a truck driver and I use to drive 10hiurs straight the noise of the engine can be drowned out by the radio and if the breaks don't work just get a louder horn quite can make you fall a sleep I'm all about the Miles
People talk about charging stations... WIRELESS CHARGING will be the thing, man... Just park your car, and it charges automatically because wireless chargers will be embedded in the floor!!!
People would never care about charging the car.. just park and it charges!
@8:44 No reason why you couldn't charge at every light pole...
Yeah there is, main one being simply not enough power being able to be supplied.
Todays tesla charging (not the 400V one mentioned)...
"A Tesla Wall Connector installed on a 60 amp / 240 volt circuit breaker will achieve the maximum charge rate of 11.5 kW for 75 kWh configured vehicles. A Tesla Wall Connector installed on a 90 amp / 240 volt circuit breaker will achieve the maximum charge rate of 17.2 kW for a 100 kWh configured vehicle."
An old US street lamp used 1KW. Modern ones use 400W or less. Even at todays charging rates using ye-olde sodium lamp infrastructure, you would need between 12 and 18 lamp stands to supply one charging station.
Correct me if i'm wrong, coz i could be :)
Hope you get your model 3 soon. For us the earliest will be mid to end of next year. Have to wait for Right Hand Drive to be done first. So in the mean time - A 2011 Leaf bought 1 year ago, and already done 16,000km in even with a range of about 80km max. Cost of $12,500NZD. And a 2016 Hyundai Ioniq bought about 6 months ago for $51,000NZD and have done about 12,000km already. Here the cost of EV's is quite high, and we have no government help on the purchase price. So a new base Ioniq is 60K, and the new Kona, 74K. And for comparison a Mazda 3 starts at about $31k.
Even so - I'm really happy with both EVs we have, and the amount we save each month in petrol, covers the cost of the money we borrowed to buy the EVs with still some left over. So it still works for us at least.
Keep up the great videos, Joe.
Soooo...... I don't mean to be...mean, but... Excitement about material things kinda fails to grab me, completely fails..... I mean are these the things to get excited about, really?!? Changing one car to another car... A car is just a car, man...Chill. In the world where humans are barely conscious, barely aware of their own actions...I'd imagine we'd be more interested in that. But yeah, material grabs people's attention because then you kinda don't have to look inside and see your madness.
Just saying. I'm excited about different things. Like love, instead of relationships. Pure creativity, instead of business (busy-ness - so f***ing on the nose BTW). And BEING alive, FEELING alive, instead of thinking ABOUT life.
The iPhone was NOT the first smartphone....I had the droid 1 by motorola.....THE REAL FIRST SMARTPHONE....android baby
I don't want a car, which constanstantly spys on me and can be shut off by big brother. EVs are not cars with electric engine, they are smartphones on wheels, where transport is not their main purpose, but collecting data for big brother. Therefore i keep my petrol car.
Hey Joe, give me a yell if you need a charger circuit set up in your garage. I am one of the DFW Electrical Contractors that does that. Make sure you get things ready BEFORE you bring the car home. :) Some folks wait until the day they get it and then everything is a panic.
Have played with a LOT of S(s) and X(s) and they are great. You know what the next thing upper end folks get after they get their FIRST Tesla? ANOTHER Tesla. :) True Story.
I am more of a poor boy, myself. I got a used Volt for about $11.5K used, here in Dallas. Great car, too. Chevy gives them Great Support. I bought it off a private lot, but the Chevy House went through the whole thing and fixed up three things . . . for . . . FREE.
So. Welcome to EV Land!