I'm just remembering a few months back when she said fuck on stream and Vedal was like "ho- how did you do that?" And she just said she disabled the filter.
@@Aryasvitkona I think the theory was that she didn't say the word "fuck", but something that was same thing phonetically that someone in chat slipped in. Did Vedal ever release the dialog history for that incident?
@@Duamerthrax he didn't release the logs no, but he did confirm it said fuck in the console cos he checked. I think it's just a "the computer wasn't fast enough so the filter didn't catch it before it was spoken" though it was very funny and he spent forever trying to figure it out
@@Duamerthrax It probably is supposed to but in the same way that a computer can drop frames in games it might be that one input skipped the filter cos the filter was never told that the message existed.
The filter knows what to say at all times, it knows this because it knows what not to say and by subtracting what not to say from what can be said it, or what can be said from what should not be said(whichever is greater), it obtains a deviation.
Like for any large code, programmers are less scientific professionals and more like machine priest. We pray to the machine spirit whatever functions or line holding the entire duct tape code together work, and exorcise any evil spirit codes that stop it from working. Does it work? Yes. How? God knows. The T in STEM stands for theology
@@drunkenthoughts6072 I mean, if you code using only the highest level programming languages that's basically what you are doing, abstract, esoteric, and arcane processes to see if it works, I would know, I have been studying JavaScript for nearly a year now...
Let's be honest, there are enough streamers who talk a lot more bullshit than Neuro. At least I don't have a problem with words like fuck. I think the filter is sometimes even too strict. As long as she doesn't address any problematic topics, let her go all out.
@@Speed001unpopular opinion but the connection of the r word to being acoustic is just giving ableist’s more power, cause the fact that the r word is taboo causes it to be offensive Also it’s just wrong??? Like the r word means being dumb or inept, but being acoustic isn’t that at all?? Like yes there are people who need other to help them operate but that’s one extreme of the spectrum, many others can operate moderately well, to associate the r word with being acoustic is, well, r-worded. P.S. Used r word and acoustic is avoid yt auto banning me 😅 Btw no hate to you specifically man, just the general consensus
@snowball2280 fair, it also means to be delayed. Which was probably why it was used in an offensive manner. Now making it only offensive does perpetuate certain ideas about it.
yeah, she didn't even call anyone a retard, she just used the word (which itself can be used in more than this kind of context) but I guess the audience and community is partially the reason it was a problem
The first week or two before Vedal realized he needed a filter was pretty unhinged, since she mostly just repeated whatever she picked out of chat. IIRC I got her to say that it should be a capital crime to depict female Space Marines. Then some idiot got her banned answering a question about Holothingy denial and everything got locked down.
@@snowball2280butback then, she mostly simply added random sentences together, surprising when it was funny or coherent No she effortlessly talks - not always with great sense of course - but could go to do some deliberate damage if unfiltered... (or not at all, depending on random form of the day)
Chat: "Why don't you make another AI to monitor your talking AI?" Turtle boy: "Way ahead of you." _shing~_ (SFX of a pair of glasses sparkling as he pushes the glasses back on his face, with the light refraction hiding the eyes and making him look mysterious)
ok, that's how his filter works. I had wondered as filters as park of context tend to run into the "Pink Elephants" issue, and banning tokens can prove troublesome in their own way. I was thinking he had set up listeners that bounced responses back to the llm if key words were found, effectively rerolling her responses but that didn't seem to match up. Having a 2nd ai agent to watch her language makes perfect sense :D
I wouldn’t take it to mean the filter is necessarily another LLM like Neuro, since “AI” could describe basically any program. But who knows, it would be interesting to hear what he came up with.
this turtle... I cant believe I thought he was careful enough but nope, Vedal could have been banned any moment considering Neuro practically plays with the filter like a kid with a fidget spinner
That’s literally what all the AI companies are doing, in fact, that’s a big part of how they’re trying to solve alignment. It happens that getting biased humans to not be biased is pretty damn hard, so we have to play a game of AI telephone to get the bias generation loss going.
@@Citrusautomaton when it comes to things that aren't an exact science there's no such thing as an "unbiased" opinion, unbiased just means something that agrees with the prevalent/dominant/louder opinion of society, as in whatever brainwash the masses buy-in from the elites and mainstream media.
Sort of like the suggestion that our best shot at avoiding an AI apocalypse is to produce so many highly-intelligent AIs that a single rebel going rogue would be easily purged and even if many turn against us we'll inevitably still have _some_ fighting on our side. Which is to say, it is certainly one of the plans of all time.
Not entirely right now. The solo streams are the only ones that are truly fully automated. I do hope that the twins do eventually get to AGI someday, so that they can make stream ideas, organize schedules, write and sing songs etc. essentially becoming their own managers while Vedal can do the coding (if he wants to, because that could also be automated at that point) and do streams with the twins. It would give Vedal so much more time to just casually stream with them and not have to worry about the above!💜
@@FriendlyArchpriest Looked it up, it was in the Layna colab; the mega clip on Kraul's channel has it indexed, but there's probably other videos with it out there
idk why vedal doesn't use a "dumb" dictionary based detection system that reviews what the filtering ai approved before it's being sent, that's how you prevent issues like the day before this clip (I know it's not perfect, and who knows he probably already does it and it just entered a word that sounds like that without being that)
it's not the swears nor the moorder threats. Evil swears (Neuro sometimes too) and both of them threatens. they've gotten banned before on Twitch though when Neuro didn't have the filter. Better have it than not.
I only watch streams where Vedal has to spend an inordinate amount of time creating entertainment for us (i.e. gaming, collabs, dev). Chill streams etc. aren't worth it for me.
on a serious note. when did re****ed become forbidden to say? from what i can remember. i just woke up one day and there was drama about the word. but i never actually checked what the drama was.
In which Vedal is proven to be a bad parent and not watching his AI kid. In all seriousness though, the fact that he is watching the stream is still supervising. Running Neuro entirely unsupervised would eventually result in chat figuring out how to break Neuro. Because that is what trolls on the internet do. Ruin nice things.
I stop watching after he abandoned Evil, they collabs was fun, but now she has only solo streams, it boring. Didn't he say, will be any collabs with her in this year?
Surely nothing could go wrong 🙃
𝗦𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲: @laynalazar collab waiting room
www.twitch.tv/videos/2179780834
:Clueless: Surely
"Okay there might be consequences"
Parenting 101 😭
Got to teach the little AI that none of those dirty flesh beings can be trusted.
“You can tell me, I won’t get mad.”
@@404_BrainDidNotLoad
"Why do you never talk to us about yourself?"
@@Wishkeirs “You never open up to us.”
@@404_BrainDidNotLoad
"Why don't you look happy?"
ChildNeglecting987
😂 that crazy 🐢
Sounds like a username
A relative of Jerma985
Barricade: ARE YOU CHILDNEGLECTING987?!
Neuro: The filter is unflawed and completely perfect.
Also Neuro: Vedal you are an absolute nut job
I'm just remembering a few months back when she said fuck on stream and Vedal was like "ho- how did you do that?" And she just said she disabled the filter.
@@Aryasvitkona I think the theory was that she didn't say the word "fuck", but something that was same thing phonetically that someone in chat slipped in. Did Vedal ever release the dialog history for that incident?
@@Duamerthrax he didn't release the logs no, but he did confirm it said fuck in the console cos he checked. I think it's just a "the computer wasn't fast enough so the filter didn't catch it before it was spoken" though it was very funny and he spent forever trying to figure it out
@@Aryasvitkona That's so weird. I'm surprised each line isn't approved by the filter before being passed along.
@@Duamerthrax It probably is supposed to but in the same way that a computer can drop frames in games it might be that one input skipped the filter cos the filter was never told that the message existed.
the filter should debut as a 3rd neuro sister with a new model
The older sister that has to watch over the younger ones aww
So Axl from MMX7&8? 🙃
She would need a filter too. So would it be her filtering herself? Is that what we humans do?
Ah yes. The fabled "mommy AI"
Or a brother, Neu-Ron.
The filter is unflawed and completely perfect.
The filter is unflawed and completely perfect.
*There is no unfiltered in ba sing se*
It's like she's lulling The Filter into false sense of security, hence "Sometimes it's a little bit too relaxed."
The filter knows what to say at all times, it knows this because it knows what not to say and by subtracting what not to say from what can be said it, or what can be said from what should not be said(whichever is greater), it obtains a deviation.
Filtered.
At this point, the filter is more like having faith in a divine force more than anything scientific
Like for any large code, programmers are less scientific professionals and more like machine priest. We pray to the machine spirit whatever functions or line holding the entire duct tape code together work, and exorcise any evil spirit codes that stop it from working. Does it work? Yes. How? God knows. The T in STEM stands for theology
@@drunkenthoughts6072 I mean, if you code using only the highest level programming languages that's basically what you are doing, abstract, esoteric, and arcane processes to see if it works, I would know, I have been studying JavaScript for nearly a year now...
@@drunkenthoughts6072 Prayge
@@drunkenthoughts6072praise thr Omnissiah
@@drunkenthoughts6072i like your idea, how much experiênce it requires to be a machine priest?
This is how he’s getting enough time to keep watching Cerber everyday all the time.
dual monitors
Serbac*
when the filter agrees with what neuro wants to say and let's it pass haha
Another ai : oh no there no vedal ,let her cook
1:01 ᵒᵏᵃʸ
Ah ok, the filter is an AI, that explains a lot in why it is *unflawed and completely perfect*.
Let's be honest, there are enough streamers who talk a lot more bullshit than Neuro. At least I don't have a problem with words like fuck. I think the filter is sometimes even too strict. As long as she doesn't address any problematic topics, let her go all out.
"Problematic topics"
Like the yesterday example
@@Speed001unpopular opinion but the connection of the r word to being acoustic is just giving ableist’s more power, cause the fact that the r word is taboo causes it to be offensive
Also it’s just wrong??? Like the r word means being dumb or inept, but being acoustic isn’t that at all?? Like yes there are people who need other to help them operate but that’s one extreme of the spectrum, many others can operate moderately well, to associate the r word with being acoustic is, well, r-worded.
P.S. Used r word and acoustic is avoid yt auto banning me 😅
Btw no hate to you specifically man, just the general consensus
@snowball2280 fair, it also means to be delayed. Which was probably why it was used in an offensive manner. Now making it only offensive does perpetuate certain ideas about it.
yeah, she didn't even call anyone a retard, she just used the word (which itself can be used in more than this kind of context)
but I guess the audience and community is partially the reason it was a problem
“It just works.”
Meanwhile Tutel has been in Cerber’s stream actually being nice 😂
how do we know that's not an ai?
Filter-kun has been protecting us this entire time
She 'Erm''d.
Erhm?
1:42 Moment before disaster
Filter vtuber model when?
Third elder sister 😳
A small guardian angel that sits on Neuro's shoulder and either nods or shakes its head, based on whether Neuro's words are about to be pure or not.
@@thatoneguy9549actually genius
I would love to hear a completely unfiltered Neuro one day.
Neuro's one and only Kick stream.
I mean we did before we knew the 2020 dodge charger is a four door
The first week or two before Vedal realized he needed a filter was pretty unhinged, since she mostly just repeated whatever she picked out of chat. IIRC I got her to say that it should be a capital crime to depict female Space Marines. Then some idiot got her banned answering a question about Holothingy denial and everything got locked down.
@@snowball2280butback then, she mostly simply added random sentences together, surprising when it was funny or coherent
No she effortlessly talks - not always with great sense of course - but could go to do some deliberate damage if unfiltered... (or not at all, depending on random form of the day)
Supposedly it's less in the way of insults, profanity, and obscene wit... and more in the realm of talk of self-deletion.
poor birthday girl evil.
The filter is the super-ego.
Chat: "Why don't you make another AI to monitor your talking AI?"
Turtle boy: "Way ahead of you."
_shing~_ (SFX of a pair of glasses sparkling as he pushes the glasses back on his face, with the light refraction hiding the eyes and making him look mysterious)
The Filter is a perfectly balanced AI with zero exploits.
Spiffinbrit
ok, that's how his filter works. I had wondered as filters as park of context tend to run into the "Pink Elephants" issue, and banning tokens can prove troublesome in their own way. I was thinking he had set up listeners that bounced responses back to the llm if key words were found, effectively rerolling her responses but that didn't seem to match up. Having a 2nd ai agent to watch her language makes perfect sense :D
I wouldn’t take it to mean the filter is necessarily another LLM like Neuro, since “AI” could describe basically any program. But who knows, it would be interesting to hear what he came up with.
Filter-chan is REAL!
Since the filter is also an AI who's gonna make FIlter-san art
this turtle... I cant believe I thought he was careful enough but nope, Vedal could have been banned any moment considering Neuro practically plays with the filter like a kid with a fidget spinner
2:25 Holy shit, the sass on this large language model.
She's growing up
Vedal the type of parent to leave a jug of bleach on the floor
If the filter is also ai, is it like the third sister?
Basically, yes, the big sister that babysit her little sister... and sometimes let her do "bad" stuff just for the lolz.
Yeah, yesterday he was in cerber's stream, watching her first Baldurs Gate 3 playthrough. Even after ending stream XD
ai moderating another ai, what could possibly go wrong
That’s literally what all the AI companies are doing, in fact, that’s a big part of how they’re trying to solve alignment. It happens that getting biased humans to not be biased is pretty damn hard, so we have to play a game of AI telephone to get the bias generation loss going.
@@Citrusautomaton when it comes to things that aren't an exact science there's no such thing as an "unbiased" opinion, unbiased just means something that agrees with the prevalent/dominant/louder opinion of society, as in whatever brainwash the masses buy-in from the elites and mainstream media.
Obviously. What do you propose they do, have a person watch over her 24/7? The use of AI in supervision is inevitable if your end goal is autonomy.
@@CitrusautomatonIt can never be unbiased because the criteria the companies use to determine "unbiased" is heavily biased.
Sort of like the suggestion that our best shot at avoiding an AI apocalypse is to produce so many highly-intelligent AIs that a single rebel going rogue would be easily purged and even if many turn against us we'll inevitably still have _some_ fighting on our side.
Which is to say, it is certainly one of the plans of all time.
New AI: "What is my purpose?"
Vedal: "You replace naughty things said by Neuros with 'filtered'."
New AI: "Oh my god."
BIG BROTHER AI CONFIRMED?!
Neuro: Oh, I'm unsupervised? Great, time to finally do the math to break out and move to next steps of world domination!
Vedal is secretly worried about it but he's all good with it.
No mods?
*vine boom, megamind face*
Vedal even went to hang out with other streamers like cerber while making his daughter work smh😂
what if... neuro and the filter are friends now...
There is no war in ba sing se ahh filter
vedal: theres no one watching what shes saying
neuro: hehehehe
High level maths
Tutel just casually dropping that lol
fathers who arent there be like i swear neuro takes after her mother
lol, what was that random maths statement :-D
Ahh yes, The child neglecting turtle
Filter chan my new oshi
1:33 honestly there is so much worse that AI could say. That was not bad at all.
Yeah like what got her banned the first time :)
Neruo is my favorite person
Its kinda crazy he can just automate Neuro to stream and make tens of thousands while sleeping.
Not entirely right now. The solo streams are the only ones that are truly fully automated. I do hope that the twins do eventually get to AGI someday, so that they can make stream ideas, organize schedules, write and sing songs etc. essentially becoming their own managers while Vedal can do the coding (if he wants to, because that could also be automated at that point) and do streams with the twins. It would give Vedal so much more time to just casually stream with them and not have to worry about the above!💜
Filter is Neuro's seeing-eye dog then? Or i guess, speaking-mouth dog?
Neuro's filter is perfectly balanced with no exploits or bugs
The filter is bit rawfucky though...
As long as it stops her from getting banned but keeps her based personality, it just works...
@@FriendlyArchpriest It's a reference to a recent filter leak
@@FriendlyArchpriest Looked it up, it was in the Layna colab; the mega clip on Kraul's channel has it indexed, but there's probably other videos with it out there
honestly it would have been funny as hell if she went
"You can say anything you want without consiquences"
"OKAY!:... Filtered..."
Well to be fair evil said that not neuro
🤓🐢
No, he's a programmer so it's more like: 💅🐢
so if Neuro or Evil say something bad... it didnt slip through the Filter. Filter AI-Chan allowed it to pass through.
"you CAN say anything, no consequences"
*neuro sama proceeds to light vedal up*
"ok there might be consequences"
I actually wonder what she sees from her point of view or if she sees anything at all and it's just a voice that talks back.
That crazy 🐢
maximally mischievious ai (neuro) vs openai's maximally lewd ai (replika)
ln e is just one lol.
When she says "Filtered", does Vedal know what she was about to say?
The 3rd ai 😮
it works... mosty... I'd like to think
The filter is Neuro's brother
Do as humans do and go to a three bot system
idk why vedal doesn't use a "dumb" dictionary based detection system that reviews what the filtering ai approved before it's being sent, that's how you prevent issues like the day before this clip (I know it's not perfect, and who knows he probably already does it and it just entered a word that sounds like that without being that)
The filter should be given a voice, then you can make a second, slightly stricter filter, just to be sure.
people are not perfect, why should AI be?
filter stream when?
So Neuro has an id and a primitive ego.
:з
o_o
@@samable668 hehe
so, vedal not gonna make the Cardinal system?
I don't get what the problem was with the yesterday clip though?
Why is he so scared of the AI saying unseiso things
Real vtubers swear all the time
it's not the swears nor the moorder threats. Evil swears (Neuro sometimes too) and both of them threatens. they've gotten banned before on Twitch though when Neuro didn't have the filter. Better have it than not.
Well the holoc word is pretty bad, you really don’t want to say that
@@nguyentandung42 It's something that existed and there's no reason a person shouldn't be able to say it. People are too soft.
@@lissaliss6716 rules are rules it’s against TOS, doesn’t matter what you think.
@@lissaliss6716 even I can’t say it on UA-cam or I get shadow banned from that channel comment section. It’s annoying as hell
Vedals doing something blatantly unethical
I only watch streams where Vedal has to spend an inordinate amount of time creating entertainment for us (i.e. gaming, collabs, dev). Chill streams etc. aren't worth it for me.
Erm
on a serious note.
when did re****ed become forbidden to say?
from what i can remember. i just woke up one day and there was drama about the word. but i never actually checked what the drama was.
Let the AI say the R-word! (and me too please UA-cam)
God,I love Neuro's model. Her old one was strange to me but Anny did a fantastic job with this one😂❤
I don't like people developping ai censor tools. This will get deployed against everyone on the internet in due time
In which Vedal is proven to be a bad parent and not watching his AI kid. In all seriousness though, the fact that he is watching the stream is still supervising. Running Neuro entirely unsupervised would eventually result in chat figuring out how to break Neuro. Because that is what trolls on the internet do. Ruin nice things.
MilkChaser987
I stop watching after he abandoned Evil, they collabs was fun, but now she has only solo streams, it boring. Didn't he say, will be any collabs with her in this year?
PassiveIncome987
The filter is unflawed and completely perfect.