I love my 100f’s. I just got my 90c in today, haven’t dialed it in yet and it already sounds fantastic, extremely revealing and neutral. Not to mention it’s just gorgeous. Can’t wait to review it for my channel. Been following your channel for a long time Gene keep up the good work.
What I like about Paradigm is that the new owner/founder doesn’t play games with the hardware. Doesn’t look for ways to cheap out on materials. Paradigm held together pretty good in Scott’s absence, but I expect great things from him and his son moving forward. The Founder series sounds like a higher definition version of studio V2 which I like. I think Scott likes the voicing of that speaker.
I have two paradigm seismic 110 subs which absolutely rock the house down! They don't get the recognition they deserve I think because they are an odd shape and many people probably don't like the way they look. I didn't until my favorite sales guy made me listen to one. I was blown away! I had used paradigm subs since the 90's and tried a couple other brands but always went back to a paradigm, but I had gotten rid of my big tower speakers and dedicated two channel stuff so I wanted a sub that go really deep and really loud for movies but also be incredibly quick and punchy to blend with my old studio 20's for music. These are incredible at both jobs! The reason I mention these subs is they were paradigms first attempt at a dual spider design and they are f*****g awesome If you Google pictures of the 110 driver and this new one you can see the family resemblance. 10 years later putting that driver in a more conventional looking box should be a huge win for paradigm!
I've also had the Seismic 110. For it's size, I have yet to come across another sub that can dig as deep as it. Now I'm rocking a triple sub setup with dual Sub 15s with the 2000sw driver conversion done on them up front and a Servo 15V2 directly behind the couch for some serious tactile feel. I've owned a lot of subs over the years and never have I been this satisfied.
Hello Mr. Gene I have been a fan of you since 2006, and I have (4) persona subs in my theater I have have heard a lot subwoofer I can tell you that these subs shakes the whole house.
I’m sure they do. I got two sub 1 which are older design but same technology and they are more than enough. Four of them it’s insane and I say that as a compliment 😅
I’m very curious to see where this goes for Paradigm. I’m a huge paradigm fan. I own the following subwoofers from them currently: - sub 2 - sub 1 - studio sub 15(4) - defiance x15 - defiance x12(2) I’ve owned many other subwoofers from paradigm over the years (servo 15s, studio sub 12s, 90p) I’ve got my popcorn 🍿 ready.
Cool Predator t-shirt 💪🏻 Gene.. My Paradigm PDR-12 sub from 1997 still pounds! (Replaced the original, foam-rotted driver 2 1/2 yrs ago with an efficient Kicker car audio woofer, and it it hits lower and harder than ever! These new Paradigm subs look amazing, no doubt. Looking forward to your review.
Don't put a Kicker Sub in a HT situation. Either get a W7AE12 or DD9112 those are made for good sound. Or maybe a CT Sounds 5400 Series Titanium cone 12. I have the 18inch that I had a box designed for.
It looks like the second spyder has a floating coil which might mean they are using it to measure excursion for a servo driven amplifier. It blows my mind people want to shake their houses with these things. I have an old Paradigm PS1000 and it is ridiculous. The gain is turned down to like 1/4 and the neighbours across the street still call the cops. lol
I had to put svs isolation feet on my paradigm reference sub15. It would shake the stock ones loose and they would rattle. Paradigm higher end subs are fantastic. They were going for 3499 when new and I caught a sale getting it for about 2. Took 2 sb4000 to give similar output and low end but the three together are potent. I still have a pb12/2 that's in 100 percent working order. Svs still had amps for them too when i needed one a few years ago.
I want to see what is the magnetic path thru the motor. I get the quasi iso-baric effect they are probably trying to take advantage of but how they complete the magnetic circuit intriguing.
XR 13 - built for music, stereo systems and HiFi, relatively compact, integrates perfectly into dual SUB systems, not for Home Theater systems, 6.300,-€ SUB 2 - built for Home Theater, extra heavy, not for precise stereo systems, music, 15.000,-€ Both are perfect in their respective category
Hi Gene, I remember you did an overview video of Anthem ARC room correction and you said you'll do a complete detailed version of a run through when the none-beta version comes out (at the time of your video there was only a beta version). Now the full version is out, could you create this video please? There's soo many options and adjustments in the ARC software, will be good to know what they all mean. Cheers
Looking forward to seeing some specs. ..This is like a Prestige 1000sw with a 9H / 110 Siesmic subwoofer motor and added excursion / power (ARC Dsp). Nothing 'new', really.. but everything in 1 model. (Imo) Again.. Curious to see some specs. I trust the engineers there. (whoever is left.. Doug and Jason Im sure) I saw this from early prototype stages (once upon a time) Fascinating journey. Kudos to that team.
currently running 2 lms 5400 ultra sealed subs i highly doubt these will even be remotely close in SPL output just think 18 inch drivers with the same excursion ability just saying and BTW paradigm wants 6$k canadian for the xr13
Not all sealed subwoofers are the same. The acoustic suspension design is unique. The stuffing is critical to its performance. It's not just there for damping cabinet resonances, in fact that's not it purpose. As one engineer to another it was nearly 40 years between the time I had acquired the analytical tools to understand woofer/enclosure performance and the time I applied it to this problem. The two tools are Newton's second law of motion applied to forced oscillation and the ideal gas laws. Newton's law is in every first year college physics course textbook. The law used this way is the famous mass, spring, dashpot model used in many places such as designing the performance of an automobile suspension and how it will respond to a bump. The ideal gas law give you P1*V1=P2*V2 and of course F=P*A. In a sealed box the restoring force can be mostly the difference in the air pressure inside and the air pressure outside applied uniformly on the cone's surface. Only a small amount of mechanical compliance and a tiny hole for air to leak in or out is required to bring the cone back to its neutral zero voltage position and to prevent it from becoming a manometer. The trick that even Edgar Villchur who invented this design didn't understand is that by forcing the cone to push and pull air between the fibers creates an aerodynamic frictional drag proportional to the velocity of the air. This is the same reason the space shuttle heat up reentering the earth's atmosphere. By adjusting the moving mass, amount of trapped air, and the nature and amount of stuffing you can adjust the resonance frequency and Q to be anything you want it to be. In ported designs mechanical suspension create non uniform forces on the cone both radially and circumferentially causing twisting and shearing forces on the cone. The back pressure from the air inside is low at some frequencies where it flows through the port easily and high when it won't easily move through the port half an octave above and below resonance. Turbulence at both ends of the port only makes matters worse. Below resonance a ported design falls off at 24 db/octave so resonance is the lowest usable frequency. When critically damped (Q=0.707) falloff is 12 db per octave which is equalizable. Teledyne AR9, my main speakers in my best system uses two 12" acoustic suspension woofers. Because they are used as subwoofers only they have only part of the cabinet filled with stuffing. This creates two resonance frequencies, a high one well above the subwoofer's operating range in this 4 way design and one at around 28 hz with a Q of only 0.5. The speaker easily produces the 30 hz low frequency organ pedal tone at very loud volume without distortion from a 60 WPC amplifier.
I have the XR 13 midnight cherry one. It is a gorgeous, absolutely stunning piece and work of art. The performance, bass tightness and precision is on par with the JL audio FATHOMs. No need for custom feet. The grille looks awful. You'll need a custom quality power cord for this one because of the monster built-in amplifier.
I have a Paradigm Servo 15 v2, which is an absolute monster that just blows the v1 outta the water. But I’m having amp issues, if anyone has a complete one to sell, or just the amp, lmk.
ha ha. it's not close man. Paradigm subs are musical, great mid bass, ARC built in. PB16 is just an earth mover with no mid bass. I've sold both brands and it's not close.
Size and efficiency are king when it comes to subwoofers. A larger cone moving less to produce the same SPL as a smaller cone will always be better, i.e. lower distortion, group delay, etc. If you model something like the JL 13" driver that they put in their Fathom subwoofers and compare it to a 21" pro driver like the Eminence NSW6061, the Eminence will have the same displacement on the low end with way higher output and power handling on the high end in the same size enclosure. I think too much effort is being put into making smaller subwoofer drivers with long excursion. These drivers still need a lot of volume to achieve the long excursions, and that volume could be used to fit a larger driver with lower excursion and more efficiency. It all just seems a little silly to me, but people are so fixated on excursion these days that this is what we get.
I'm not kidding, I've owned duals of 10's all the way up to 18's. The smaller subs are tighter so I'd rather have a smaller driver with more amp power.
To be fair, the NSW is not your typical pro driver. It has quite a lot of excursion. That said, I’m on board the pro driver bandwagon and agree with your sentiment.
Also worth noting that the smaller high excursion driver is necessary if you want a smaller box. It’s trying to eke out as much performance as possible for a smaller/nice looking sub.
I appreciate that Paradigm is making the bulk of their speaker collection in Canada. Seriously that subwoofer is truly stunning.
Paradigm, one of the finest speakers in the world.
This sub looks awesome! Really exiting to see you're full review of this.
My local Paradigm dealer is having an audio show in a few weeks in which the Paradigm rep is coming. Hopefully they’ll bring one of these new subs.
I have a paradigm 12" subwoofers ported sub, it's amazing.
When I saw the video Secrets uploaded of these I also was immediately reminded of JL Audio. These are some serious subwoofers!
so excited to get this on the floor for demo in the audio experience showroom!
I love my 100f’s. I just got my 90c in today, haven’t dialed it in yet and it already sounds fantastic, extremely revealing and neutral. Not to mention it’s just gorgeous. Can’t wait to review it for my channel. Been following your channel for a long time Gene keep up the good work.
@@Roof_Pizza yes I did get the midnight cherry. Just an incredible finish
What I like about Paradigm is that the new owner/founder doesn’t play games with the hardware. Doesn’t look for ways to cheap out on materials. Paradigm held together pretty good in Scott’s absence, but I expect great things from him and his son moving forward. The Founder series sounds like a higher definition version of studio V2 which I like. I think Scott likes the voicing of that speaker.
@@sergiofernandes2072 I think it’s just the monitor and maybe the premier series. Great deals for the money.
@@mrwilliamwonder unless they changed something recently, the Premier are made in Canada
@@sergiofernandes2072 what an uninformed comment. Only the entry level monitor series is made on china, but anywho.
I just got an entire paradigm pdr surround sound system for free off a curb, cant wait to hook it all up :)
I have two paradigm seismic 110 subs which absolutely rock the house down! They don't get the recognition they deserve I think because they are an odd shape and many people probably don't like the way they look. I didn't until my favorite sales guy made me listen to one. I was blown away!
I had used paradigm subs since the 90's and tried a couple other brands but always went back to a paradigm, but I had gotten rid of my big tower speakers and dedicated two channel stuff so I wanted a sub that go really deep and really loud for movies but also be incredibly quick and punchy to blend with my old studio 20's for music. These are incredible at both jobs!
The reason I mention these subs is they were paradigms first attempt at a dual spider design and they are f*****g awesome
If you Google pictures of the 110 driver and this new one you can see the family resemblance.
10 years later putting that driver in a more conventional looking box should be a huge win for paradigm!
I've also had the Seismic 110. For it's size, I have yet to come across another sub that can dig as deep as it. Now I'm rocking a triple sub setup with dual Sub 15s with the 2000sw driver conversion done on them up front and a Servo 15V2 directly behind the couch for some serious tactile feel. I've owned a lot of subs over the years and never have I been this satisfied.
Hello Mr. Gene I have been a fan of you since 2006, and I have (4) persona subs in my theater I have have heard a lot subwoofer I can tell you that these subs shakes the whole house.
I’m sure they do. I got two sub 1 which are older design but same technology and they are more than enough. Four of them it’s insane and I say that as a compliment 😅
I’m very curious to see where this goes for Paradigm. I’m a huge paradigm fan. I own the following subwoofers from them currently:
- sub 2
- sub 1
- studio sub 15(4)
- defiance x15
- defiance x12(2)
I’ve owned many other subwoofers from paradigm over the years (servo 15s, studio sub 12s, 90p)
I’ve got my popcorn 🍿 ready.
Damn bro, how many theater rooms you got setup 😂
@@spawnster1732 I’ve got one main theatre room, a gym room and a 2 channel setup in a home office.
@@spawnster1732 🤣
you should get a Paradigm tattoo if you don't have it yet
@@juanbaclavab I really should. I’ve since picked up 3 more studio sub 15s, a pair of signature sub 25s and another sub 2
Love your channel! Just asking any update on when to expect the NAD M23 sound listening review? I'm super keen to watch that vid when it drops! 🙂
I see quality. Nice sub
The plate amp reminds me of the m&k amps
I'm getting an estimate on the subwoofer cost and its installation by my dealer. Hope you get one in soon.
Hi Gene.
Please discuss the xr 11 when you can.
Cool Predator t-shirt 💪🏻 Gene.. My Paradigm PDR-12 sub from 1997 still pounds! (Replaced the original, foam-rotted driver 2 1/2 yrs ago with an efficient Kicker car audio woofer, and it it hits lower and harder than ever!
These new Paradigm subs look amazing, no doubt. Looking forward to your review.
Don't put a Kicker Sub in a HT situation. Either get a W7AE12 or DD9112 those are made for good sound. Or maybe a CT Sounds 5400 Series Titanium cone 12. I have the 18inch that I had a box designed for.
@@Len_M. Lol, The JL driver is $1400. The Kicker driver is working unbelievably well for 80 bucks.
It looks like the second spyder has a floating coil which might mean they are using it to measure excursion for a servo driven amplifier. It blows my mind people want to shake their houses with these things. I have an old Paradigm PS1000 and it is ridiculous. The gain is turned down to like 1/4 and the neighbours across the street still call the cops. lol
Can one XR13 replace two Paradigm SW1000's. A dealer told me this but I would like to hear other opinions
Would be interresting to see the Qts on this one. Remind me of the Linkwitz Thor.
I had to put svs isolation feet on my paradigm reference sub15. It would shake the stock ones loose and they would rattle. Paradigm higher end subs are fantastic. They were going for 3499 when new and I caught a sale getting it for about 2. Took 2 sb4000 to give similar output and low end but the three together are potent. I still have a pb12/2 that's in 100 percent working order. Svs still had amps for them too when i needed one a few years ago.
Looks awesome but wow, the price is steep. A pair of the 13" model and you're in the 5-figure range.
I want to see what is the magnetic path thru the motor. I get the quasi iso-baric effect they are probably trying to take advantage of but how they complete the magnetic circuit intriguing.
Wow🤯. Impressive
A sturdy looking subwoofer😎
I have the studio sub 12... now with my new Founder 100F... The XR11 should be a great move!
Hi I'm thinking of picking up the reference sub 12. Are they really good and reliable. I got a velodyne spl1200r right now.
How is this sub compared to the Paradigm Signature Sub 2? TY in advance.
XR 13 - built for music, stereo systems and HiFi, relatively compact, integrates perfectly into dual SUB systems, not for Home Theater systems, 6.300,-€
SUB 2 - built for Home Theater, extra heavy, not for precise stereo systems, music, 15.000,-€
Both are perfect in their respective category
how different to open baffle subs sound ?
I’m still on my old Servo-15.
Time to upgrade, buddy.
Hi Gene, I remember you did an overview video of Anthem ARC room correction and you said you'll do a complete detailed version of a run through when the none-beta version comes out (at the time of your video there was only a beta version). Now the full version is out, could you create this video please? There's soo many options and adjustments in the ARC software, will be good to know what they all mean. Cheers
Do you find ARC causes the sound to be a bit thin?
Got an Anthem AVM 60.
I am looking at the xr 11.
I can't believe some people are afraid of spiders!
Looking forward to seeing some specs.
..This is like a Prestige 1000sw with a 9H / 110 Siesmic subwoofer motor and added excursion / power (ARC Dsp). Nothing 'new', really.. but everything in 1 model. (Imo)
Again.. Curious to see some specs. I trust the engineers there. (whoever is left.. Doug and Jason Im sure) I saw this from early prototype stages (once upon a time) Fascinating journey.
Kudos to that team.
currently running 2 lms 5400 ultra sealed subs i highly doubt these will even be remotely close in SPL output
just think 18 inch drivers with the same excursion ability just saying and BTW paradigm wants 6$k canadian for the xr13
I see lots of sealed box car subwoofers with such big cone throw.
I got a paradigm studio reference sub15. Great sub. Got it matched with some sb4000s.
I guess JL F113 V2 subwoofer will have a new competitor. We'll see if this paradigm sub as good as JL F 113 or better?
Oh for sure. I've got a paradigm studio sub reference 15 and it def had an edge on the JLF13.
Not all sealed subwoofers are the same. The acoustic suspension design is unique. The stuffing is critical to its performance. It's not just there for damping cabinet resonances, in fact that's not it purpose. As one engineer to another it was nearly 40 years between the time I had acquired the analytical tools to understand woofer/enclosure performance and the time I applied it to this problem. The two tools are Newton's second law of motion applied to forced oscillation and the ideal gas laws. Newton's law is in every first year college physics course textbook. The law used this way is the famous mass, spring, dashpot model used in many places such as designing the performance of an automobile suspension and how it will respond to a bump. The ideal gas law give you P1*V1=P2*V2 and of course F=P*A. In a sealed box the restoring force can be mostly the difference in the air pressure inside and the air pressure outside applied uniformly on the cone's surface. Only a small amount of mechanical compliance and a tiny hole for air to leak in or out is required to bring the cone back to its neutral zero voltage position and to prevent it from becoming a manometer.
The trick that even Edgar Villchur who invented this design didn't understand is that by forcing the cone to push and pull air between the fibers creates an aerodynamic frictional drag proportional to the velocity of the air. This is the same reason the space shuttle heat up reentering the earth's atmosphere. By adjusting the moving mass, amount of trapped air, and the nature and amount of stuffing you can adjust the resonance frequency and Q to be anything you want it to be. In ported designs mechanical suspension create non uniform forces on the cone both radially and circumferentially causing twisting and shearing forces on the cone. The back pressure from the air inside is low at some frequencies where it flows through the port easily and high when it won't easily move through the port half an octave above and below resonance. Turbulence at both ends of the port only makes matters worse.
Below resonance a ported design falls off at 24 db/octave so resonance is the lowest usable frequency. When critically damped (Q=0.707) falloff is 12 db per octave which is equalizable. Teledyne AR9, my main speakers in my best system uses two 12" acoustic suspension woofers. Because they are used as subwoofers only they have only part of the cabinet filled with stuffing. This creates two resonance frequencies, a high one well above the subwoofer's operating range in this 4 way design and one at around 28 hz with a Q of only 0.5. The speaker easily produces the 30 hz low frequency organ pedal tone at very loud volume without distortion from a 60 WPC amplifier.
Anyone have the XR 11?
I just started looking at these and I would like your opinion.
Thanks.
I have the XR 13 midnight cherry one. It is a gorgeous, absolutely stunning piece and work of art. The performance, bass tightness and precision is on par with the JL audio FATHOMs. No need for custom feet. The grille looks awful. You'll need a custom quality power cord for this one because of the monster built-in amplifier.
Looks just like a co-drive woofer
I have a Paradigm Servo 15 v2, which is an absolute monster that just blows the v1 outta the water. But I’m having amp issues, if anyone has a complete one to sell, or just the amp, lmk.
I have 2 defiance x15 subs and if this new sub is better than them it would just be craziness in a home theatre.
Do I hear upgrade in progress? 💖💖
@@Harald-MacGerhard no, my wife and I split up and she’s holding my entire system hostage until our separation agreement is in place.
@@seanlacroix damn bro sorry to hear that
@@seanlacroix very sorry to hear, GOOD LUCK !
@@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 thanks, it’s gonna be a long and painful battle I’m afraid.
I always look at subs like this and think wow thats nice but then think how could anyone ever need anything more than a SVSPB16Ultra?
ha ha. it's not close man. Paradigm subs are musical, great mid bass, ARC built in. PB16 is just an earth mover with no mid bass. I've sold both brands and it's not close.
SVS eat your Heart out.
Everything above the 3 grand is too much for me. But they look nice and for sure murder your eardrums!
The cheapest one is $450.
😂
You pray?
Will not buy products from Justin Trudeau's country
Understandable.
Size and efficiency are king when it comes to subwoofers. A larger cone moving less to produce the same SPL as a smaller cone will always be better, i.e. lower distortion, group delay, etc. If you model something like the JL 13" driver that they put in their Fathom subwoofers and compare it to a 21" pro driver like the Eminence NSW6061, the Eminence will have the same displacement on the low end with way higher output and power handling on the high end in the same size enclosure.
I think too much effort is being put into making smaller subwoofer drivers with long excursion. These drivers still need a lot of volume to achieve the long excursions, and that volume could be used to fit a larger driver with lower excursion and more efficiency. It all just seems a little silly to me, but people are so fixated on excursion these days that this is what we get.
Smaller driver, tighter bass. 😎
I'm not kidding, I've owned duals of 10's all the way up to 18's. The smaller subs are tighter so I'd rather have a smaller driver with more amp power.
So in your opinion the Eminence NSW6061 or even a Dayton Ultimax 18, could outperform the SVS PB16 or the Monolith 16?
To be fair, the NSW is not your typical pro driver. It has quite a lot of excursion. That said, I’m on board the pro driver bandwagon and agree with your sentiment.
Also worth noting that the smaller high excursion driver is necessary if you want a smaller box. It’s trying to eke out as much performance as possible for a smaller/nice looking sub.