I'll probably get bashed for defending him but just know I never voted for the guy... Bama had nothing to do with the emissions stuff on this bike. The EPA created those regulations long before he got into office and were gradually put into effect over several administrations, Republican and Democrat. Not to mention that the trump administration didn't do anything that would cause Honda to remove emissions equipment anyway, governments all over the world are now requiring this stuff, and EPA is still requiring it. Manufacturers will continue to build vehicles with emissions equipment like they have since the 70s and people will continue to remove it lol, although people will also continue to scapegoat politicians they don't like for all sorts of reasons as well.
Yea that stalling really pisses me off to, it’s Eff’n embarrassing at red lights. I ordered a full fmf system with a JD jetting efi controller I’m hoping that fixes it, from what I’ve seen online it does.
That bike would not have any of the idle issues if they weren't required to have emissions. I bet without the emissions you can increase oil changes with full synthetic and a good filter when not running it to the ragged edge all the time to every 1000 miles or more. I'm buying one when I turn 18 to build credit; I am sure Honda will figure out the idle issues and any other issues. They are not a red ktm like some say. A pricetag and service intervals don't make it equal to those messes. Nice bikes, unreliable af. The first top end on the 450l is due at 20k, try getting that with a ktm. (Yes I love Hondas bikes they're ridiculously reliable, and don't get me started on emissions regulations 😠)
I had no idle issues with my 2020 at 6300 ft elevation. Never had a single stall But, I HATED THE TWITCHY THROTTLE, so I put a Vortex ECU in it anyway. Throttle is now smooth.
Did all this to my X and made a huge difference, but honestly dont see the need to remove the oil catch. You can hardly see it because its tucked up high.
I can confirm the stalling/flameouts stop after the first 1000 miles. The jerky first 1/8th of the throttle gets significantly better after turning the idle up to 1900 (still in manufacturer spec). I suggest properly breaking in the bike before you decide you're not happy with how it runs. It's not broken in yet! I have 2000 miles on mine, runs much better than it did before the first oil change.
I have 1100 miles now and it still needed the vortex to not stall stupid easy. The idle issue is mostly the dealer setting the idle low... But a 450 that's street legal should not require the idle set to 2000 rpms not to stall. Get a Yoshi and a vortex and then tell me it ran right stock lol
@@MudPuppyOffroad just sharing my experience, seems like your stalling problems were much worse than what I had. Only happened aroumd 6-7 times total for me. I am aware of the service intervals as I've done all the work myself. I'm saying my bike started to "feel" broken in around 1000. My valves were still dead on with the manual at 1800 miles.
Only time i have stalling probs is if im coming to a stop and i just coast with the clutch pulled in it will stall but other then that never have a a problem
100% depends on your dealer. I however would never let a dealer ship touch my bike... Most of those guys don't give a shit. You could easily put it back on
@@MudPuppyOffroad Agreed! Riding a dirt bike is far more difficult than doing mechanic work on a dirt bike. Get yourself a service manual and a good torque wrench and you should be able to do a complete rebuild on this bike if I gave you a box of parts.
Maybe engine idle is set to low causing flame out.The little clear can kept crap from getting sucked into to the intake.The pvc you plumbed into the intake is dead air, no oxygen in it.There is no hp penalty from the air injection system, air helps the cat burn the unburnt fuel.
Also thanks for the lecture but we all know how air injection works it's a neat idea if you have a cat and you give a s*** about emissions both of which do not apply to me.
Hey, i bought a new 450l yesterday:) a honda engineer mentioned that running 101, or 103 "better" will help or cure the stalling issues. that is controversial because good fuel is not always available in the US. I will care a small bottle of booster with me for my fuel. Hell, I have to do that with my DRZ 400 now, and it makes a noticeable difference. I'll let you know.
Do you live near Croom? I have been wanting to go, but didn't know anyone to go with and didn't want to go alone. I have a WR-250R, but have been tempted to change over to this bike since Yamaha doesn't want to make a WR-450R.
People keep saying they stall but they don't say how or why is a stalling because you're letting your clutch out too fast not enough for gas why and how is it stalling
My idle was set pretty low when I got it like 1450 however having to set the idle on a street-legal bike at 1800 to 1900 RPMs to get it to not stall is pretty pathetic it makes clutch work a very annoying in technical stuff in trails. this is a common issue that Honda needs to address especially on a street legal machine. even with my idle set at 1800 which is the speck in the manual I have had it stall out twice just rolling to a stop clutch in
Unfortunately, there's no convenient way to do that on UA-cam other than tagging videos into playlist. But from what I gather talking to my subscribers, no one really looks at playlist tags anyway
Yes, just different ECU mapping. Less stalling and a little bit richer A/F ratios since the X is not meant for street use and has no Cat converter in the exhaust. After 1000 miles on my X, throttle is still a little twitchy but much better than when new. I never got a vortex but went with a throttle tamer and a flywheel weight which made it really smooth and tractor like for tight trails. Converted mine to be street legal as well. I did remove the evap canister and hoses since my gas cap check valve fell off and was $150 to replace or the whole bike had to go to the dealer for a warranty claim. No thanks. Hence why I was watching this video, was concerned I'd get a check engine light.
I am just going to leave my crank case breather open because sometimes smoke will come out of your crank case I don't want it in with my air filter I will strip all that other BS Obama crap off and send it back to him LOL going to buy one in January plus I want to put a FMF pipe on there and stripped off rear license plate holder and freaking Bury it!!! Change tires but low mirrors on it under the bars and there's two plastic covers on each side of the motor they don't need to be there either
So, what exactly does this gain? HP? That's a lot to do for 2.3 lbs, and a lot of that weight is barely above the axles so never noticed anyway except on a scale.
2.3 lb is not an insignificant amount of weight on a bike with this level of performance. Also all of that crap looks terrible and makes it hard to maintenance and clean around the engine.
I have it set at the factory spec, went up a little higher and had the same issue. If I go any higher anything technical is a nightmare so much clutching
@@MudPuppyOffroad well hopefully the vortex will clear it up for you. You might even have to stop by a dyno, it would be nice to see those final numbers also. Im pretty curious how much power they put out, I almost bought one but decided to street legal the RX instead. I love the 60hp but I would also love that 6th gear.
I mean I guess if you think oil mist generates more power than crankcase gas, sure. I woulda just stuck a little filter at the end of the breather and let it drip.
Guys pay good money to add catch cans to their cars and trucks, helps reduce carbon buildup in the combustion chamber and the backs of the intake valves especially if it sees a lot of WOT.
@@InfernusEternum I deleted this "garbage" and during my first ride after hitting WOT rev limiter the valve cover gasket blew out sideways and had oil pissing all over my bike. Put it all back on and haven't had any issues! 1000km on it since putting it back on and no gasket blowing out! I tired putting gasket back in place started it back up and wasn't leaking, hit rev limiter again and boom oil pissing everywhere! I'm going to keep my 2lb of weight to avoid any issues! lol
The booster plug does work and I got proves of it dyno jet😉thanks you Maybe you didn't have it in the right place to read the temperature But whatever Break the bank its your money✌
It did improve throttle response a little bit but it didn't fix the issue I bought it for which was the idle problem. Bike is still way too lean at idle and low-rpm.
@@MudPuppyOffroad I'm not doubting that. I ride a modded crf450x so I know it's capable. I'm just doubting going about 50-60mpg on one wheel taking twisties. By the time you reach final gear your speed is pretty fast. I'll believe it on a straight away since I do it myself, but on twisty roads in final gear with a standard wheel set is pretty unbelievable.
I'll probably get bashed for defending him but just know I never voted for the guy... Bama had nothing to do with the emissions stuff on this bike. The EPA created those regulations long before he got into office and were gradually put into effect over several administrations, Republican and Democrat. Not to mention that the trump administration didn't do anything that would cause Honda to remove emissions equipment anyway, governments all over the world are now requiring this stuff, and EPA is still requiring it. Manufacturers will continue to build vehicles with emissions equipment like they have since the 70s and people will continue to remove it lol, although people will also continue to scapegoat politicians they don't like for all sorts of reasons as well.
Dude. Get a life
I watched until the end. We do not see much and I have sea pain because the camera is too agitated.
Yea that stalling really pisses me off to, it’s Eff’n embarrassing at red lights. I ordered a full fmf system with a JD jetting efi controller I’m hoping that fixes it, from what I’ve seen online it does.
I turned my idol up and it completely fixed the stalling on my 450x
That bike would not have any of the idle issues if they weren't required to have emissions. I bet without the emissions you can increase oil changes with full synthetic and a good filter when not running it to the ragged edge all the time to every 1000 miles or more. I'm buying one when I turn 18 to build credit; I am sure Honda will figure out the idle issues and any other issues. They are not a red ktm like some say. A pricetag and service intervals don't make it equal to those messes. Nice bikes, unreliable af. The first top end on the 450l is due at 20k, try getting that with a ktm. (Yes I love Hondas bikes they're ridiculously reliable, and don't get me started on emissions regulations 😠)
Idle issues was solved with a massive idle adjustment but man it still stalls easy vortex ECU going on tomorrow
I had no idle issues with my 2020 at 6300 ft elevation. Never had a single stall But, I HATED THE TWITCHY THROTTLE, so I put a Vortex ECU in it anyway. Throttle is now smooth.
"1-6 gear wheelies through some twistie's" I'll believe it when I see it.
Wearing flip flops to boot! 😸
Did all this to my X and made a huge difference, but honestly dont see the need to remove the oil catch. You can hardly see it because its tucked up high.
I can confirm the stalling/flameouts stop after the first 1000 miles. The jerky first 1/8th of the throttle gets significantly better after turning the idle up to 1900 (still in manufacturer spec). I suggest properly breaking in the bike before you decide you're not happy with how it runs. It's not broken in yet! I have 2000 miles on mine, runs much better than it did before the first oil change.
I have 1100 miles now and it still needed the vortex to not stall stupid easy. The idle issue is mostly the dealer setting the idle low... But a 450 that's street legal should not require the idle set to 2000 rpms not to stall. Get a Yoshi and a vortex and then tell me it ran right stock lol
Did you even read the manual? Break in period is not 1000 miles... Not even close
@@MudPuppyOffroad just sharing my experience, seems like your stalling problems were much worse than what I had. Only happened aroumd 6-7 times total for me. I am aware of the service intervals as I've done all the work myself. I'm saying my bike started to "feel" broken in around 1000. My valves were still dead on with the manual at 1800 miles.
@@MudPuppyOffroad also, living in California, the Yoshi is asking for a ticket. I commute my bike to work 3 days a week 50 miles round trip per day.
Can you vent the crankcase breather under the bike and seal the port in the airbox? Thanks so much for the video.
I would not recommend it going through a puddle could destroy your motor if it gets sucked up that
Only time i have stalling probs is if im coming to a stop and i just coast with the clutch pulled in it will stall but other then that never have a a problem
That's a real annoying problem to have at red lights lol
Why do you always cut your videos off right in the middle of talking
Why do you pricks complain about free videos?
Does removing all this junk void any warranty? If I did this and had to take it to a dealer 6 months from now, are they going to throw a fit?
100% depends on your dealer. I however would never let a dealer ship touch my bike... Most of those guys don't give a shit. You could easily put it back on
@@MudPuppyOffroad Agreed! Riding a dirt bike is far more difficult than doing mechanic work on a dirt bike. Get yourself a service manual and a good torque wrench and you should be able to do a complete rebuild on this bike if I gave you a box of parts.
Maybe engine idle is set to low causing flame out.The little clear can kept crap from getting sucked into to the intake.The pvc you plumbed into the intake is dead air, no oxygen in it.There is no hp penalty from the air injection system, air helps the cat burn the unburnt fuel.
There is a penalty weight and looks like crap. I have tried adjusting the idle... not the issue
Also thanks for the lecture but we all know how air injection works it's a neat idea if you have a cat and you give a s*** about emissions both of which do not apply to me.
OK I watched the rest of the video,, cool, so did the freaking thing throw a trouble light? You Gotta do another video let’s see how it’s doing
No codes no issues
Did u remove the thermostat from the housing?
Have you taken off any off the extra plastic yet? Case covers,chain/sprocket guards, coolant overflow tank, skid plate.
Nope I like all of those things
Hey, i bought a new 450l yesterday:) a honda engineer mentioned that running 101, or 103 "better" will help or cure the stalling issues. that is controversial because good fuel is not always available in the US. I will care a small bottle of booster with me for my fuel. Hell, I have to do that with my DRZ 400 now, and it makes a noticeable difference. I'll let you know.
Sweet thanks!
My vortex ecu should be here any day
I run 93 non ethanol and its fine
do you know what size cap you used for the AIS by the thermostat?
Dude this video is awesome! Thank you!
Just got my tracking number from tokyo mods for the vortex ecu. Woohoo only 10 weeks after I ordered it.
Good to know! I'll check mine. Thanks!
Do you live near Croom? I have been wanting to go, but didn't know anyone to go with and didn't want to go alone. I have a WR-250R, but have been tempted to change over to this bike since Yamaha doesn't want to make a WR-450R.
The WR450F will rip itself from your hands with very few mods that cost you ZERO DOLLARS.
Did all that removal make it run better
Do you still have the highlifter 850?
People keep saying they stall but they don't say how or why is a stalling because you're letting your clutch out too fast not enough for gas why and how is it stalling
Mine would stall at a light idling
Are you going to put a BIGGER Tank on it to?
What’s your tire set up?
D606 rear MT21 pirelli front
@@MudPuppyOffroad thanks!
Have u stil got this bike
Turn idle up. And no recall for a modified bike. Mines been mint.
1900 miles
My idle was set pretty low when I got it like 1450 however having to set the idle on a street-legal bike at 1800 to 1900 RPMs to get it to not stall is pretty pathetic it makes clutch work a very annoying in technical stuff in trails. this is a common issue that Honda needs to address especially on a street legal machine. even with my idle set at 1800 which is the speck in the manual I have had it stall out twice just rolling to a stop clutch in
If it was a KTM I would expect this sort of thing LOL
I anit stalled mine once hopefully I'm good
Does your 450L make a rattling noise when lugging in 1st/2nd?
A little not as bad as my 450r
Thanks for the reply man. I was wondering if something wasn’t right. Idk a lot about motors so this gives me much comfort. What causes it?
@@chandlerengland1029 Tip over sensor makes the rattle, and also the gas tank bolts. Tip over sensor can be deleted.
LMAO at your comments, hilarious!
Gotta get rid of that Obama crap, lol
Mud Puppy. Any update after you put it back together fully? thanks, dale
I haven't had any issues no check engine light or anything like that but I haven't put a whole lot of miles on it waiting for my vortex computer....
How do you like that seat?
It's great
what emissions delete kit did you use?
None
@@MudPuppyOffroad so I won’t have to plug anything that was previously connected? Can just rip everything off as you did?
@@Chumbucketsecret yep works for me no check engine light
What size plug did you use to plug the airbox nipple you described
Good video but hard to find. You need to departmentalize ur how to videos. Dirt bikes, quads, sxs, etc
Unfortunately, there's no convenient way to do that on UA-cam other than tagging videos into playlist. But from what I gather talking to my subscribers, no one really looks at playlist tags anyway
If only people could learn how to use the search function 😞
Do you still have the stall issue?
Nope vortex ecu
Is that the same motor as the 2022 crf450x ?
As far as I know yes
Yes, just different ECU mapping. Less stalling and a little bit richer A/F ratios since the X is not meant for street use and has no Cat converter in the exhaust. After 1000 miles on my X, throttle is still a little twitchy but much better than when new. I never got a vortex but went with a throttle tamer and a flywheel weight which made it really smooth and tractor like for tight trails. Converted mine to be street legal as well. I did remove the evap canister and hoses since my gas cap check valve fell off and was $150 to replace or the whole bike had to go to the dealer for a warranty claim. No thanks. Hence why I was watching this video, was concerned I'd get a check engine light.
Do I have to have a vortex or tuner for this also put a slip on on mine seems to be fine can I do the delete ?
You don't have to run the vortex but I would recommend it highly makes it way more rideable
@@MudPuppyOffroad ok but will it hurt the bike if I do the delete
@@robertlambert7906 no I don't think so
Mine has never stalled
Dealer must have set your idle super high. That's a Honda recommends but it's obnoxious
Mud Puppy maybe, however it doesn’t seem to idle high..... thanks for the vids! I’ll be deleting that crap off my bike as well.
Great video!
I am just going to leave my crank case breather open because sometimes smoke will come out of your crank case I don't want it in with my air filter I will strip all that other BS Obama crap off and send it back to him LOL going to buy one in January plus I want to put a FMF pipe on there and stripped off rear license plate holder and freaking Bury it!!! Change tires but low mirrors on it under the bars and there's two plastic covers on each side of the motor they don't need to be there either
What year is the bike
2019
any update with the vortex ecu? I'm stuck between that and a power commander v. also great video
That is excellent fixed every issue I have with this machine
@@MudPuppyOffroadwonderful news. I'm gonna go for the same setup! Thanks
So, what exactly does this gain? HP? That's a lot to do for 2.3 lbs, and a lot of that weight is barely above the axles so never noticed anyway except on a scale.
2.3 lb is not an insignificant amount of weight on a bike with this level of performance. Also all of that crap looks terrible and makes it hard to maintenance and clean around the engine.
here can i buy a gr for my 2017 420 irs at?
I can send you a 27% for 120$ bucks it's oem gears no welds or anything. Jeremy Lee makes 35% and a few others for like 400
What size d606 did you ram in there?
Oboma crap!!!! LOve it! PS ur not wrong!
Can just imagine what's coming,if Trump doesn't fight the current result
You have a way to get in touch with you for installation of a gear reduction?
Mudpuppy q&a on Facebook
Facebook is best don't check the email anymore way too many emails
turn your idle up higher, my rx was the same way, solved 90% of it.
I have it set at the factory spec, went up a little higher and had the same issue. If I go any higher anything technical is a nightmare so much clutching
@@MudPuppyOffroad well hopefully the vortex will clear it up for you. You might even have to stop by a dyno, it would be nice to see those final numbers also. Im pretty curious how much power they put out, I almost bought one but decided to street legal the RX instead. I love the 60hp but I would also love that 6th gear.
We cant street legal anything in Florida
you make me dizzy LOL
Sorry, no one really ever watches my dirt bike stuff so I just make quick videos
So happy I live somewhere that I dont need any of that
Same
Rip Honda 2019, hello Wr / Exc
Good luck lol
More problems with exc, shitty ktms😂
I'm done with KTM exc bikes. Riding for team Red now!
Imagine thinking that deleting a catch can is a good thing
Lol you people
I mean I guess if you think oil mist generates more power than crankcase gas, sure. I woulda just stuck a little filter at the end of the breather and let it drip.
Yeah that sounds great until you dump the bike in water up to the seat. Honda has the crankcase
Guys pay good money to add catch cans to their cars and trucks, helps reduce carbon buildup in the combustion chamber and the backs of the intake valves especially if it sees a lot of WOT.
@@InfernusEternum I deleted this "garbage" and during my first ride after hitting WOT rev limiter the valve cover gasket blew out sideways and had oil pissing all over my bike. Put it all back on and haven't had any issues! 1000km on it since putting it back on and no gasket blowing out! I tired putting gasket back in place started it back up and wasn't leaking, hit rev limiter again and boom oil pissing everywhere! I'm going to keep my 2lb of weight to avoid any issues! lol
The booster plug does work and I got proves of it dyno jet😉thanks you Maybe you didn't have it in the right place to read the temperature But whatever Break the bank its your money✌
I moved the probe around to the three different recommended locations in the manual it did not make a difference.
It did improve throttle response a little bit but it didn't fix the issue I bought it for which was the idle problem. Bike is still way too lean at idle and low-rpm.
It's also no where near enough extra fuel to run a aftermarket pipe
I got dyno testing Results that shows booster plug with yoshi Getting 42 horsepower with 29lb torque Fuel ratio from 12.6 to 13.9😉
@@adrian1978mo lol yeah I'm sure you do
Send me your old valve pump and Ill machine you a plate. Or put it flat on a scanner with ruler and email me the file.
Taco Moto sells a plate, ready to go.
That’s pretty light for all that stuff I think 🤔
Good video
Hi
Take your meds before doing a video, add took over.
Lol
Aye mud puppy bet u wont text back
You right
@@michaelknowsall1410 you're* wrong.
Haha “Obama crap”
honda sucks recent years...
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"1-6 gear wheelies through some twistie's" I'll believe it when I see it.
LOL on a bike like this is actually pretty easy
@@MudPuppyOffroad I'm not doubting that. I ride a modded crf450x so I know it's capable. I'm just doubting going about 50-60mpg on one wheel taking twisties. By the time you reach final gear your speed is pretty fast. I'll believe it on a straight away since I do it myself, but on twisty roads in final gear with a standard wheel set is pretty unbelievable.
@@Ralfie193 can I just put a slip on and remove the smog with out tuner for now