The Danger of Men 'Wearing Women Down' in Film | Video Essay

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  • @singleminthugger
    @singleminthugger 3 роки тому +212

    I hate this trope, if she’s says no, she means no there’s no hidden subtext.

  • @DraconiaDrawing
    @DraconiaDrawing 3 роки тому +81

    That Ferris wheel scene is disgusting. Like was that made to be a romantic gesture? Because threatening suicide to get someone to go out with you makes me wanna throw up. Like my how was that in a blockbuster movie??? Sorry i went on a bit of a rant here but like jeez.

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +13

      ikr, it's insane that it was in such a popular film, especially one that's often seen as super romantic!

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +199

    perceived obligation of women to date a man simply because he's a nice person or cares about her is also not very poggers

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +10

      matilda is absolutely spitting facts rn

    • @theinfinitevoidiscringe2819
      @theinfinitevoidiscringe2819 Рік тому +1

      That's because it's the only advice women ever give men. "Just be nice and kind, and you'll find someone TeeHee".

    • @cass7448
      @cass7448 Рік тому +6

      @@theinfinitevoidiscringe2819 Be nice and kind, and accept the reality that it won't always work because not every woman is going to like you and you should be doing regardless of whether you're pursuing romance or not. This isn't hard to understand.

    • @SpocksCat
      @SpocksCat 4 місяці тому

      @@theinfinitevoidiscringe2819 Or you won't find someone. No one owes you their time, affection, or intimacy. Teehee.

  • @milenacosta8299
    @milenacosta8299 3 роки тому +94

    omg that ferris wheel scene from The Notebook makes me so uncomfortable! I still can't believe they got away with it! great video btw!

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +6

      yeah it's crazy! thanks so much :)

    • @skylarblue7517
      @skylarblue7517 3 роки тому +10

      same i watched it for the first time and hated it and my mom thought i was being ridiculous to find it gross

    • @CuteAnimalVideos2580
      @CuteAnimalVideos2580 Рік тому +3

      its so awful, the notebook came out when I was 13 and I NEVER understood why people like it so much. Noah is a creep.

  • @maximillianomartinez
    @maximillianomartinez 2 роки тому +43

    but on a serious note my experience having a female stalker I was honestly annoyed how quick people were to call her a psycho b*tch when they have done just as much predatory behavior starting a relationship and after a breakup
    ps love seeing these analytical deconstructions on my favorite romcoms, would love to see a video exclusively on 10 Things I Hate About You (your thumbnails are great)

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  2 роки тому +1

      thanks so much! and I appreciate the suggestion, will def look into a 10 Things I Hate About You vid :)

  • @charliebalcom9798
    @charliebalcom9798 3 роки тому +124

    Yea gotta agree. Creepy behavior is so weirdly normalized for men and I feel like that's kind of a part of toxic masculinity as well. Stuff like the notion that because a girl rejected you, she's automatically a "bitch", or instead, you should try harder to win her over just was never realistic and never will be. Idk to say the least it's just disrespectful to act like you're entitled to the romantic or sexual attraction of another person, period. You're not. Great video!

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +10

      yeah that's a good point-whenever rejection isn't seen as a request for the guy to try harder, the girl is portrayed as super awful and almost "ungrateful" to an extent. and definitely all ties into toxic masculinity!
      also thank uuu :))

    • @markstriker925
      @markstriker925 3 роки тому +2

      I wouldn't say normalized. I would say this behavior is considered creepy in real life. But is normalized in movies and Tv shows. And also there is the stupid idea of Men needing to chase women. But I think for the most part most men understand rejection.

    • @helenvane
      @helenvane 2 роки тому +6

      the thing is, very often, growing up with this shitty creepy mindset, it gets ingrained in women's brains too. I've known women who'll reject men so they will "try harder". in the past, there were times I felt dejected because a man I rejected didn't try to win me over. it starts early; the prince in fairytales competing for the princess as this grand gesture of love. books, novels, poetry, the stories we read in school, shows, movies, cartoons... this trope extends itself EVERYWHERE. everyone is affected by it, but women are the ones who pay for it with our lives.

  • @notacow6834
    @notacow6834 3 роки тому +59

    I think you would do a great job covering the sexism, racism and homophobia found in the Big Bang theory

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +10

      ooh yes, that'd be a really interesting topic! and I'm glad you think I'd cover it well :)

    • @heatherstephenson3559
      @heatherstephenson3559 Рік тому

      Oh, yes, that would make for a really interesting video as that show's terrible for sexism and I bet you'd cover it really well.

  • @Nikki-ks6wi
    @Nikki-ks6wi 3 роки тому +22

    I’ve had a stalker, trust it’s terrifying how even plp at school say aw it’s so cute because he was autistic. No it’s life threatening later on.

  • @miroslavcervenka3283
    @miroslavcervenka3283 2 роки тому +9

    Dear Maia, I am grateful for your insights. I am an old school Eastern European, now a senior citizen, and films have always been a big part of my life. Unfortunately, the hidden ideology has sometimes influenced me in a negative way. Thanks for shining your keen light on the darker aspects of this influence. I am wiser for having watched this expose! Keep up the ‘good work’!

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching, I'm so glad you enjoyed! =)

  • @Jane-oz7pp
    @Jane-oz7pp 3 роки тому +25

    Okay, seeing this and being a big Pop Culture Detective fan, I really want you to do a collab with him! You cover very similar topics and have a similar presentation style, so I think you would produce a really good video together.
    Would give this channel a well deserved boost in the algorithm, too.

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +5

      I absolutely love his channel! it'd be incredible to work with him, his videos are great (and, of course, the algorithm boost would be appreciated hahahah)

  • @Horatio787
    @Horatio787 3 роки тому +17

    Forgive me if I don't remember Groundhog's Day very well, but I thought Bill Murray's character trying to game his love interest into sleeping with him was seen as immoral and was the whole turning point of him becoming less self-centered. Like it was intended to be creepy.

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +9

      you're totally right! groundhog day isn't exactly an example of the movie framing wearing down as a good thing (in fact, it's presented as creepy), but it's still an example of a guy attempting it. so, not exactly the same as some of the other examples, but I thought it was still relevant!
      thanks for watching :)

  • @kichigan1
    @kichigan1 Рік тому +3

    "That's why she left", said my girlfriend, while listening to a supper cheesy "romantic" song about the woman leaving HIM. It's not that women aren't romantic beings, is that we men only understand romantic from the perspective of male writers who were in unchallenging positions and with no need to understand the Female Perspective. Among the best suggestions my female friends told me about relationships, is to Get Lost from time to time. Great Show. I also wanted to say that the film Danny Collins, with Al Pacino does show a more balanced way of courting.

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +14

    YOUR VIDEO ESSAYS ARE SO DETAILED AND INSIGHTFULLLL

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +22

    and also romcoms are seen as an exaggeration of what happens in real life, implying that this behaviour is supposed to happen to some degree (when really it creepy)

  • @honeybeeart9382
    @honeybeeart9382 2 роки тому +5

    I've gotten crap my whole life for not being a "good sport," or my favorite, if I'm not interested in a man, I'm "conceited" and "need to be brought down a peg," because I'm not attracted or interested in someone? WTF, I just get enraged if I say no and someone doesn't understand no means no. No woman has to justify not being interested in every stupid guy paying attention to her in a sexual/romantic way and guess what? We should be able to move around and function in the world like real people, not only talked to by the opposite sex because they are hoping to get some action or date or marry us.

  • @malinkteegan2906
    @malinkteegan2906 2 роки тому +5

    I genuinely hate this trope. I remember wanting to watch The Notebook and turning off the TV right after the scene on the ferris wheel cause it made me so sick

  • @argengama7548
    @argengama7548 Рік тому +4

    Its not healthy for both parts. I find myself being anxious or sad about relating to women I like because Im very lonely. I havent dated anyone in 8 years. Learning how to deal with rejection or just cultivating a healthy friendship with someone you like its very hard.

  • @CoralineMoth
    @CoralineMoth Рік тому +1

    I’m literally being stalked and this behavior is so terrifying

  • @bethellemcpherson6442
    @bethellemcpherson6442 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you so much for making this video - wearing someone down should never been seen in a good light. I've ended up in some situations I didn't want to be in because I got so exhausted of having to say no all the time. Seeing it framed as normal and romantic from the male point of view completely excludes how horrific this is from the other side. Love your videos, keep up the good work!

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому

      I'm glad this struck a chord with you! And so sorry you had to be in those situations - wearing people down in film can really have some terrible real-world impacts.
      Thanks for watching!

    • @grazielaalmeida8438
      @grazielaalmeida8438 2 роки тому

      I remain unsecure with this type of behavior, these are the same men that gonna be violent on a relationship, they see women as objects, not as partners.

  • @markstriker925
    @markstriker925 3 роки тому +14

    I think you are forgetting that men's sexuality is also questioned when they turn down women sometimes in these movies or shows. And also some movies and tv shows actually portray those wearing men as actual obsessive creeps/losers. But then again most of the time those male creeps aren't main characters lol. So I see your points.

  • @Skyler_Momoko
    @Skyler_Momoko Рік тому

    This is so brilliantly made and I agree wholeheartedly that this kind of media can give people such a warped view of what is ok and what isn't. It cannot be stressed the importance of providing young people with good and healthy media, so they can learn how to recognise abuse when they see it.
    I remember when I was 13, I used to be soooo obsessed with Fifty Shades Of Grey and novels like that, and it wasn't until I got into my 20's that I was able to recognise how bad the portrayals of relationships are. Things like, how Christian being posessive over Ana (getting upset about every guy, calling her non-stop, tracking her cell phone, buying her company, hiring a PI on her) is portrayed as how much he loves her, how they show him going to her apartment after they break up and waiting outside her window as "cute" - I think it all gave me a bit of a warped perspective on what was ok and what wasn't.

  • @kupdup4649
    @kupdup4649 3 роки тому +7

    Sometimes it's simply through persistence, sometimes it's through full on stalking-but no matter the method, 'wearing down' and 'winning over' women is incredibly common on screen. Even some well-loved, classic films include attempts at wearing women down (and they often succeed!).

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +2

      that kinda sounds like something i'd say

  • @SailorMya
    @SailorMya Рік тому +3

    Lenard in Big Bang Theory bragged about wearing Penny down... (OG "nice guy") Also if a romcom does have the lead woman pursue a man it becomes a story about how she doesn't really want that man and the one she really wants was "there all along" (The ugly truth, The duff, etc...)

  • @charliedeese6272
    @charliedeese6272 3 роки тому +10

    Great video. The whole wearing women down/woman plays hard to get archetype is so toxic and weird and it really sucks how much movies perpetuate it.
    Power dynamics between men and women in general are so tiresome, I really dislike all of it.
    Onw thing I'd mention though is your inclusion of Groundhog Day. I actually like the way that film in particular does it because it ends badly for Phil, and it's pretty clearly presented in a way as to show him being a manipulative douche. And no matter how many times he tries to replicate it via his day repeats, it always ends in a slap in the face from Rita. It's not really presented as romantic either, he's clearly just exploiting a weird power he has to try and get laid
    Rita eventually does fall for him by the end of the film, but it happens after Phil's arc. Their love happens organically as Phil has become a better person, and has done so through selfless reasons
    So yeah, I think Groundhog Day is the only example of it that I like

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks!
      That's true, Groundhog Day presents Phil's actions in a far less romantic way. Definitely a great film, I just included it because of Phil's attempts at winning Rita over (even though they didn't work) :)

  • @grazielaalmeida8438
    @grazielaalmeida8438 2 роки тому +7

    A man have the right to make the first move in oder to conquer a woman, but if she's not into him, he have to accept and go to the next. I feel extremely insecure if a man stalking me, this is a red flag, if I start a relationship with this type of man, he gonna always try to manipulating me into doing the things he wants, he won't see me as a partner but as a prize, an object, a stuff.

  • @notacow6834
    @notacow6834 3 роки тому +4

    I’ve been thinking about stuff like this for awhile!!! Great video again-hope you keep up the good work

  • @hilarithebambee3562
    @hilarithebambee3562 Рік тому +1

    Lol and how this translates in real life as well. Like I swear this has happened to people I know, and me as well. Wherein u reject the guy, tell him u don't like him, show him u don't like him and then he proceeds to "try harder".

  • @bluejava9397
    @bluejava9397 2 роки тому +2

    “We cannot fight for love, as men may do” - Helena; Midsummer Night’s Dream

  • @mikearchibald744
    @mikearchibald744 Рік тому +2

    I'll admit it, I used to watch Gilmore Girls and I think that was kind of a good example of NOT creepy. I don't think 'noticing' a girl and watching to see if she has a boyfriend and maybe wanting to get a peak at the books she likes is especially 'creepy'. I've always thought that about the 'grand gesture', which is hollywoods way of being lazy. And it is practically EVERY movie and tv show. So long as I'm willing to embarass myself in some 'grand gesture' then thats proof enough of my love. And even if I have sex with her and treat her as trash then thats irrelevant. Its sort of like the 'Married with Children' idea of masculinity....so long as I'm not cheating on you, and as long as I'm working, then 'thats good enough' and overrides any personality defects (and there are a LOT).
    And I remember a LOT of people saying that unless you look like some handsome actor, and how many of us do, then just walking up to a woman and asking them to dance or have sex isn't going to get you far. There is a whole other issue about 'hooking up', but for any introduction they used to say that you should know she's interested even before talking to her. The only way to do that is to 'watch'. But thats a whole fine line, I remember this one lunatic practically bragged about seeing a woman on the train and staring at her so hard that she finally asked what he wanted. He openly admits to saying "I'm just doing what you obviously want me to be doing from the way your dressed". That he didn't even SEE it as being really &^%$ed up obviously indicates a pretty deep rooted problem.
    The idea that a relationship is something you work at, ok, I'll admit, my wife works at it harder than me. But that actually loving somebody doesn't mean ignoring them to hang out with the guys after you've had enough sex you are sick of them. The stereotype of the guy who wants to hang with his pals more than his significant other is another whole video that is maybe on here, but I've always thought "dude, if you REALLY prefer hanging around with men all the time then you may want to address some things that you are avoiding".

  • @framemygaze
    @framemygaze Рік тому +1

    I adore this video. Love the breadth of media you use, the audio excerpts you use are such great examples. Love Pop Culture’s video “Stalking for Love” and I think you expand and explain the issues of consent in media really well. Liked and subscribed!

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  Рік тому +1

      I'm so glad you enjoyed! I'm also a big fan of the Pop Culture Detective's vid :)

  • @kaylamburris
    @kaylamburris 2 роки тому +2

    Just found you page and I love it. Very underrated

  • @Guruc13
    @Guruc13 3 роки тому +2

    Hey! Well done, and Thank you for calling it out

  • @JonathanEBoyd
    @JonathanEBoyd 3 роки тому +3

    Great Video as always a very interesting perspective this topic has been pointed out many times before but never in such thought out detail
    very interesting indeed

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  3 роки тому +2

      thanks, I'm glad you liked the video!

  • @fafuman
    @fafuman 2 роки тому +2

    Reminds me of a collage humor sketch "the same love story: Old People vs. Young People". I wonder if this is a remnant of old societal courtship norms, and if this kind of situations and creepy behavior use to happen more frequently and successfully.

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  2 роки тому +2

      Oh yeah that's a very relevant skit! Definitely seems like these types of situations were a lot more accepted in the past

    • @bluejava9397
      @bluejava9397 2 роки тому

      It’s probably steams from the financial imperative women had in the past. You HAD to find a man for financial security before your looks fade.
      So if a man fancied you - even if you didn’t like him that much - you should take what you could get.
      Men get to pick you - your opinion doesn’t matter.

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +6

    double standards! not cool! (but it's very cool of u to address them lol)

  • @Cantetinza17
    @Cantetinza17 2 роки тому +1

    I had a client be like this and it was creepy. Always asking to take pictures of me. 😳😒
    Sir, you're seeing me cause your homeless, there is no way that you could improve my life.

  • @DraconiaDrawing
    @DraconiaDrawing 3 роки тому +6

    This one was really interesting!

  • @sheilawidjaja7331
    @sheilawidjaja7331 2 роки тому +3

    I used to think that these are romantic. Looking back at it, they're terrifying. Part of it is how they were portrayed. E.g. Twilight was written in the first person so, of course readers would be more susceptible to the narrator's opinions.

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  2 роки тому +1

      totally agree-thanks for watching!

  • @seriousblakk
    @seriousblakk 2 роки тому +2

    You make really great content yo. 👏

  • @ScreenDetective
    @ScreenDetective 3 роки тому +2

    Another amazing video 👏

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +5

    THE BOLLYWOOD FILMS THING WHAT

  • @moocowmomo4852
    @moocowmomo4852 3 роки тому +2

    Great video, thank you.

  • @lloydlego6088
    @lloydlego6088 Рік тому +1

    I asked my wife to go see a movie every Friday. She usually said she couldn’t because she had homework. She was in college and working as a paid intern. If she said no and please don’t ask again I would have given up. She said yes, it was a terrible movie but we still became friends and 2 years later started dating. We have been married 26 years and raised two kids. The examples in this were weird , but today what I did would never work because someone else would complain about me asking her out at work. How are people supposed to meet, dating apps? So healthy.

  • @matildac883
    @matildac883 3 роки тому +7

    films do affect viewers' perceptions of social reality doeeee

  • @diabloakland
    @diabloakland 2 роки тому +2

    I call it coercion or coercive control

  • @sid74able
    @sid74able 2 роки тому +1

    So agree with basically everything that you have said. But does this mean that men should not pursue the person they're interested in? There are literally tons of real life examples that I have seen myself where a man was being a bit zealous/ creepy in his pursuit and ends up in a relationship with the girl he is interested in. If he probably read the signals initially and backed off, they would not have ended up in a relationship and well that's kind of shit isn't it?

    • @MaiaCVideos
      @MaiaCVideos  2 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I see what you mean-there's def scenarios where going all out to win a girl over can be romantic, but also times when it can be super creepy. It's a hard line to draw!

    • @IdleWorker
      @IdleWorker 2 роки тому +2

      Pursuing as in asking is fine, accepting a potential rejection immediately shouldnt be so damn difficult for my fellow dickswingers. If a potential romantic interest says no, accept and move on. There are 10 billion people on this planet, surely fucking one of those people will be/get mutually interested. It's a massive waste of energy and mental health to try to "change someones mind romantically" if they arent interested because it most of the time doesnt work, and it can quickly turn into stalky obsessions.
      So people, if you're interested in someone, ask them if it's mutual. If not, move on. Fuck "hints". Use your words people.

  • @danieladamczyk4024
    @danieladamczyk4024 Рік тому

    We always talk how love is amazing and should be celebrited. But we never talk about how to deal with unrequited love from the men side especialy autisitc ones.
    Is time to learn everybody how to stop love and keep living in healthy way.

  • @ejtattersall156
    @ejtattersall156 Рік тому

    Maia C. She's in danger from movies!

  • @larakernachan5230
    @larakernachan5230 2 роки тому +1

    Nooooo you added twilight scenes 😂😂

  • @maximillianomartinez
    @maximillianomartinez 2 роки тому

    any man can give flowers, it takes a real man to say I'm inside your walls

  • @duewhit310
    @duewhit310 Рік тому

    I stood outside Nicki's window with my radio because Ohio is for lovers and she dumped a pot of hot spaghetti water on my head.

  • @AntonMochalin
    @AntonMochalin Рік тому

    "As said by Medium author Leesa Charlotte" lol... Why do you even need to cite "Medium authors", you could just cite yourself or some random person met on a city street.

  • @carlossegura403
    @carlossegura403 Рік тому

    Your interpretation may be influenced by your personal beliefs, which could result in bias. While this may be acceptable if you are aiming to cater to a particular audience, if you wish to appeal to a broader range of people, it would be advisable to present more balanced and generalized inferences.

  • @KrunoBaraba
    @KrunoBaraba Рік тому

    Oh Maia , secretly you want handsome man to fall in love with you and persue you . But , in MeToo era , that will not happen . No worries . You will be left at peace with your 2 cats :)

  • @cutwir3317
    @cutwir3317 Рік тому

    Imagine being a miserable woman making a video about others who found love then obsessively breaking down the psychology of moments you never experienced because your….jealous

  • @marcpadilla1094
    @marcpadilla1094 Рік тому

    Man bashing. Again. The old fashioned idea was to play hard to get to ensure a man was interested and not just lusting after her. All moms taught their daughters to be aloof. Guys would be stoked by her honorable disposition. Thats what it is. Not stalking. Apparently men are competing with lesbians among other competitors these days.

  • @TheLily97232
    @TheLily97232 2 роки тому +3

    I had a boy tell me "you're saying no because you guys are afraid to be confident in your sexual desires"... yup.
    I HATE THAT ABOUT HET MEN

  • @oftinuvielskin9020
    @oftinuvielskin9020 2 роки тому

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