Yeah, that might be the case, but who tf would have deleted that God? And also, who would have had the power to delete a GOD? nahida even needed the power of 2 gnosis to delete the greater lord. And the greater lord was the only person who could have done it. And I don't see why she would do something like that (also maybe the heavenly principles but also why? Why would they do that?)
What has been on my mind recently, is how both Skirk and Neuvillette used powers, similar to the ones our beloved Sustainer used against the twins and I have thus far not seen a single person point that out. The way Skirk encased the Narwal before turning it into an orb, is similar to when the Sustainer first encased the abyss twin in cubes before compressing them into a single small cube. Both of them even stare at the Orb/Cube in their hand with almost the exact same emotionless look. At the same time the method of how Neuvillette stopped the primordial water in the fortress in act IV, is similar how the Sustainer blocked the explosion-attack that the Traveller used after the abyss twin got captured. In both cases the water/explosion stopped before receding, as if time was going backwards. Adding to that both Neuvillette and the Sustainer, use the same hand motion to achieve stop the water/explosion, the only difference is that Neuvi is using his right hand and the Sustainer is using her left hand.
There’s a theory that Deshret was Khaenriah’s “god” even if he maybe wasn’t a public one. He insisted on ‘breaking the cycle of seven’ which could just mean establishing an eighth nation with an eighth god. We know he was offered a gnosis and we know that his star form is all over khaenria’s aesthetic and clothing. And then there’s the ‘power from beyond’ which is almost certainly related to if not the same thing as forbidden knowledge. Also Khaenriah is just below the desert. The ruling class of Khaenriah for most of its time being the eclipse or ‘black sun’ dynasty also sounds a lot like Deshret, given his association with the sun and his form as a black star or ‘black sun’ would fit.
What if the power that was divided amongst the sinners was a gnosis equivalent for another descender? Like instead of the archons having 7 gnosis made from the remains of the third descender, each of the sinners could have part of the remains of the 2nd descender (or something similar, i'm not an expert on the topic). I also think the archons and the sinners might be related as we have seen statues of the seven and also inverted statues from the abyss and the one Vedrfolnir used to communicate with our sibling in the past.
man the draven pfp throwing me off lmao bastard champ the sinners being opposites to the archons is an interesting topic, that "elite group of khaenriah" numbered 6 (including dain) and there are currently only 6 archons. sadly we dont know enough about the sinners to really go beyond that though
only 7 archons? but what about the PRIMORDIAL ONE??? and its 4 shades? only 7 sovereigns? what about Nibelung the crack dragon king? only 7 elements? what about Imaginary, the energy that is present throughout the universe? quantum the energy that is very similar to the functions of Irminsul? And what about the omni element crack theory? I'm going to take my medicine now bye
I can think of 2 reason for Elctro vision's granting to stop 1. Ei's doubt of her own ideal. There has always been a criteria a way that the vision wrilder must reaonate with the Archon's ideal in some way and when the Archon themselves lose sight of said ideal the criteria line for who's ambition works for the ideal resonance and who's does not in order to receive said vision becomes blurry. Ei's doubt probably started about a year ago when the visions stopped dropping and at the exact same time her own people rebelled against her. Ei in all honesty was trying to create a nation that will remain forever for the sake of her people and when those same people go against that goal surely some amount of doubt would creep in. This is hard to say or confirm due to the mess that the inazuma AQ is. 2. Inazuma is no longer under Celestia's control anymore. Because the leyline branches spread by the Sacred Sakura have seperated Inazuma from the rest of the network, to put it in Makoto's words "Broken free from the shackles of the heavenly principles" There could also be a mastery resovoir issue like how Nuvi has a seperate stored up power for vision weilders to recieve like maybe she just doesn't have any to give anymore but I u highly doubt that. Also we cannot say that Dainsleif doesn't have something a kin to a Vision because he has something that he's just mentions once and never brings it up again, that thing is what letting him hold on to his consciounce according to him anyway and what happens when you take away a vision weilder's vision they lose their freakin mind and get a panic attack in the process
"Never had a god to begin with"...you know, Dainsleif is always honest with us. Well, except the times when he isn't. 😅 I think Khaenri'ah's god is...Fischl, preserved in the story Flowers of Princess Fischl. And imho, that's whatever paimon was, and perhaps will temporarily be restored to in the future.
Just to add, some creatures don't need a vision, like Cloud Retainer who is a pure energy being, probably don't have to deal with losing her powers because a god didn't like her, she like other godlike creatures are a threat to the balance of this worlds, if you think about it makes sense why Celestia did the Archon war, to eleminate all ''too powerful to follow the rules'', even Ei had to gave up in her physical body to make her sister Archon , that means Celestia has true fear of powers that they can't control. Abyss powers brings corruption , selfishness , Light powers = faith , faith in others , power of friendship , Power from beyond maybe is the same as Delusion , who knows , maybe is the peak of a will of the humans , the faith in themselvs
And with how many ties there are between Istaroth and Khaenriah (I mean, the serpent knights and khaenri'ahs symbol literally is Ishtar's star) + considering that Istaroth was forgotten (from the irminsul at least) + had the ability to give seeds that plant trees that can very well be their own looms of fate / separate databases outside the control of celestia (would explain why the book sun and moon couldn't be tampered with) ... yeah, I vote Istaroth as the candidate for Khaenri'ahs god
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia good question, I am not the theorist, you are, so you can investigate that xD Also, since you read the comment, here is more food for thought because I'm about to sleep and the brainrot is strong. This is assuming that Phanes and the Primordial One are different entities. Not so crack theory: Venti is Phanes and is the androgynous being born of the alchemical marriage between the Primordial One and Istaroth, before she was betrayed by the Sinners MyNameForNow also just released a video that made the connections between Istaroth and Khaenri'ah stronger, so I guess you can watch it and use the book of the six pigmies as more info on her, to an extent, because now it really is obvious what the book is about
I don't know if this is a tinfoil hat theory, but I don't think Irminsul has always been there. Like, I know people make the connection of "dendro has always been a thing because Apep is right there" but the Dragon Sovereigns are actually not refered to by the element. Like, Neuvillette isn't refered to as Hydro Dragon in Before Sun and Moon, they're talking about the Dragon Sovereign of Water. Apep is also not really the Dendro Dragon, but the Dragon of Verdure. (The Domain description calls her that) So... in theory, what is now the dendro element could've just been the Element of Verdure prior to Irminsul.
I'm a bit confused right now, I always thought the power from beyond and abyss power were the same. Are they not? I thought so because Skirk, the one who lives in the abyss, was the one to talk about the power from beyond, so I just connected the two to be the same.
speaking of the power, i had my own opinion on why there is no vision for dansliefs power and its because as he says its a power from a diffrent world, the same rules that apply to the elements on teyvat wouldn't apply to this foreign power it applies itself to the laws of that other world, like the travellers original power of light or whatever you call it.
I believed Ei said that vision is not from Archon but Archon will know and it need their permission even without realizing it to use their domain of element.. So that why when Vision Decree is happening there is no new electro vision bc without realizing it Ei doenst gave permission for whoever gave vision for using electro as the element of the vision.. So maybe because there is no Light/Imaginary, Abyss and power from beyond(Quantum) authorities there is no vision from it element
You’re quite close on a couple of your thoughts here. Let me explain; Skirk would have an idea of the Gnosis because her master is also carrying around a gnosis. The Sinners are carrying around the divided powers of Istaroth. As far as K Town having a god I would say yes. One that didn’t want to be worshipped. One that wished to help humans and asked nothing in return. It wanted no one to worship it. That would be your boy the PO Who just so happens to be a girl. At least, she started out as a girl when she left for Tevat, but she gained the ability to manifest thoughts into reality so… she could have changed her appearance with a simple thought
it could be that Khaenri'ah had some kind of god that whose respective element was the element of Light. if it so happened it means there had to be a Dragon Sovereign respective for that element as well. also considering why theres not a Vision of Ligh element it could be that it was banished long long time ago by celestia because it feared it
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Traveller isnt affected by loom of fate in any sense... He only lost memories because the space he was in lost its tether, meaning caribert's consciousness stopped existing after his death so everything traveller experienced after his death was in a space that doesn't exist therefore he doesn't remember anything....look of fate wasn't used here.... lumine literally said that she cant use it right now.
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Yes Lumine. When Clothar talks to Lumine he says "To us you were the abyss, and the one that controls the abyss controls everything" I think that means that Khaenri'ah wanted to experiment on Lumine. I also think that's were the Loom of Fate idea comes from because it originated in Khaenri'ah. Either they succeeded or she managed to flee with Aether and that is the beginning cut scene where the heavenly principles stops her from reaching outside Theyvat. Technically Dain never lies because they worshipped Abyss which represents the unknown and Lumine is a personification of that. But that also implies that Lumine did not come to Theyvat with Aether because he doesnt say you two, he says it like Lumine came alone. Whatever memories Lumine and Aether thinks they have could be planted by Irminsul especially if they are not strong enough to rival the will of a world. There is the possibility that he lied to her in order for her to think that she was alone the question is if they managed to tamper with Lumines memory OR if she escaped before. The way Clothar tells it Lumine is summoned to Khaenri'ah through their wishes. Kind of like how Aether can use the collective wishes to draw power to himself. Lumine is the opposite of that. As such the other sibling is far more vulnerable than the one you choose.
I think the main counter-argument against Irminsul, is that Irminsul has been demonstrated to be lazy. Remember the god of Chenyu Vale? the one who used to be a master of the carp adeptus, but had to be fought when she attempted to wash everyone away with a flood? She was probably hit by Irminsul. Left a gaping hole where proper information should be. Nothing like this seems to have happened in Khaenri'ah. As for Before Sun and Moon, I think Enkanomiya is outside of Irminsul's influence, or at least it was when the knowledge of the Primordial One was erased. They could have erased it once more, but they forgot all about him. Still, looking at the parables in that book, and their refusal to write down the Shade's name, it is likely that the authors did worry about the book being damaged by Irminsul. Speaking of parables, it is very possible that Irminsul is both older and younger than Before Sun and Moon, just like the tree in the parable is both hundreds of years old, and planted yesterday. About Skirk knowing about gods' curses, there are plenty of them in Teyvat. Starting from all the cursed people of Khaenri'ah. One of whom is her master. Knowing what the Sovereigns smell like is more difficult to explain, but not out of question either, assuming Surtalogi's vision of "perfection" includes knowledge of all potential opponents (and strategies to deal with them, of course).
Shouldn't have more then 7 Archons unless Teyvat had another dragon that we haven't learned about yet we do know Teyvat had more then seven gods though god of salt ring a bell. That was the point of the Archon war to figure which god would ascend and get a throne and so on. As far as an 8th Archon maybe but you would've thought we would hear about it by now especially since my comment comes so late. But that's all I can remember more then 7 gods many had nations and even militaries but only the seven remain now
Totally share your point that we are now at a place in the plot where hoyowriters can bullshit ANYTHING into a plot, even the most retconned shit, and blame it all on their plot device Nahi- ehem I mean Irminsul. and this is all due to the absent of THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PRIMORDIAL GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS.
Man, I entertained the idea of Khaenri’ah having a god a long time ago, I forgot a lot of my reasonings, but my final conclusion of the matter was … a God of Truth hides in Khaenri’ah. After all, we’ve heard it said before, “Well, it is true that it’s extremely difficult to tell humans and gods apart just by looking at them.” There’s a strange irony in a God hiding in a Godless Nation that I’d love to entertain the idea of. When you take a closer look into Khaenri’ah, you’d see that there is this constant connection between Khaenri’ah and Truth. - in 1.1 Balladeer heavily suggests that Pierro was aware of the False Sky. Something that in the Final Act for Sumeru, that Dottore calls a Truth concerning the world, hidden by Irminsul. - the description of Black Serpent Knights talk about a sword art they’ve practiced, called Truthseeker. - they sent diplomats to Enkanomiya to get the book, Before Sun and Moon, to find out the truth about Celestia. This was around 2000 years ago! (Did I do the math right?) - and who knows how many more examples there are! For Khaenri’ah, there is this consistent search for the Truth, also my to the point that it’s like an ideal of theirs. And while Humans are free to develop their own ideals, an ideal that shapes an entire nation isn’t something so easily accomplishable. So, if a God is hiding in Khaenri’ah, why risk your hiding spot by expressing your ideal? Well, what if the God of Truth, was a key founder of Khaenri’ah? Khaenri’ah isn’t just a nation they hide in, but a nation they helped build to hide in? This would make what Dainsleif said, about Khaenri’ah not having a God, not a lie, but rather an incorrect statement. Now, Khaenri’ah was founded when Sal Vindagnyr was still … more or less, alive. This would’ve happened… a rather long time ago, way before the Archon War, so why would a God go through so much trouble to hide? Well, we know what Celestia did to Orabashi for finding out the truth, so what would they’ve done to a God of Truth for whatever truth they managed to discover? And … didn’t Dainsleif tell us in the Teyvat Chapter Trailer, that the Pyro Archon will tell us a secret? With the Pyro Gemstone talking about a “achieved BLANK truth he has.” Thank goodness Natlan is right around the corner, so we can finally figure out what this Pyro Gemstone is talking about!
The book before sun and moon was in mirrored enkanomiya Bordering on the light realm So i believe irminsul cannot effect the light realm And therefore the book or anything in enkanomiya or effected by the light realm's power
God’s gaze doesn’t fall - visions don’t fall. Kaenri’ahns don’t get visions, the celestia or authority holder don’t “hear” the ambitions from potential allogenes from there.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia that’s a very good question. It just clicked in my head, the phrase about the gods’ gaze not falling there. Cuz the visions are technically “eyes”, and besides them, there isn’t all that much present in the game that can be somehow connected to that statement. Based on that Kaeya got his vision outside of Kaenriah, and old original Kaenriahns (that we know of) didn’t have any, id say it’s been more geographical than anything. Cuz if you remember the thing about the inteyvat flower (that it will crumble to dust if brought back to kaenriah), and also I think there was something about if people cursed by the divine enter kaenriah again something happens to them, I’d say the location itself carries more importance. Also, as far as we know, past “sinner” civilizations have been nuked by Celestia indirectly via the nails (only as far as we know), and for Kaenriah the sustainer had to go there on her own, and has been dormant ever since. But that’s only my weird conjecture haha
Hey Kazuha said he knows what a star smells like but I don't remember anyone giving him the 3rd degree. How exactly do you smell a star? There seem to be a small group of people who go around smelling people in the game. Well that is a nice bridge to the next topic. 3:02 the answer is "no". That's a big "no". Huge. 5:39 also don't say that 6:30 So this Get Out Of Jail Free ticket is only available to the people who think Irminsul only changes memories and even then not really them either because that theory has to act AS IF the past really changed. Consequently you are supposed to be limited by Irminsul shifts to past scenarios that make sense, not just any arbitrary change in memories. You can substitute a different past to help you explain why the statement would come to make sense but since we don't know the real past anyway, that doesn't help at all. You get me? Let's work through an example. Why would Ukko say it was a nation without gods if it wasn't true? Well you could hypothesize that Lenin ran out of his tomb and held a gun on Ukko and told him to write down "no gods in Khaenri'ah" and then slap it in his box. Can that explain why Ukko says Khaenri'ah has no gods? Well, yes, but then again, you could hypothesize all that is the real history too. It's just not very likely. Because Lenin doesn't even play Genshin. An unlikely event is not more likely to happen because of an Irminsul shift. Well could there be a change due to a samsara shift, and that change makes Khaenri'ah go from not having a god to having a god? Yes, but then the text of that letter is going to change to be consistent with the new history, so the letter would now say "Khaenri'ah had a god" - which is true in the new history. In neither scenario can you get a lie communicated because of a samsara shift, at least not a "lie" in terms of the logic of the new samsara. If all you want is to have info in the new samsara contradict info in the old, that's easy, but unless you can guarantee Dainsleif's memories or Ukko's letter won't change due to the samsara shift, it's going to be honest -- as honest as anything is -- as a reflection of the new samsara. A lot of people said oh this Irminsul stuff means anything goes, but really that's not true at all. The fate system operates to make these potential contradictions minimal. It's not photoshop. Your twitter account wasn't hacked. The contradictions can only happen when the fate system breaks down and some "old" data squeezes through. Like with Descender memories or artifact memories or chairs in the eternal oasis. So to make Ukko's statement wrong you'd need a compelling reason that would make perfect sense from within the context of regular history -- like the Lenin thing. 9:10 in the old samsara Paimon says, "There are 7 flavors of ice cream and 7 secret herbs and spices". 11:41 The memory loss from the domain of consciousness might (likely is) a result of chatting inside a domain of consciousness of a dead person. Nobody was alive at the time to operate the Loom. And we were specifically told the completed Loom can't change memories anyway.
LMAO this comment the ukko thing is actually a good point. his original statement wouldnt really make sense if khaenriah was being founded with a god, unless its a god that shouldnt exist, but given this all should be before the archons were even a thing. it still boggles the mind.
Irminsul can edit truth in books, but not fiction. That's why it's possible to hide truth in fiction. What if Before Sun and Moon is just a fiction, a lie, propaganda and our beloved Heavenly Principles just didn't want Orobashi to spread lies and propaganda, which couldn't be edited by Irminsul?
I like that khaenriah could have had their own elements because it kinda alings with a theory I had. What if the PRIMORDIAL ONE and each of their shades have their own element.? This would make 12, elements. This is what I currently think could me other elements. 8 - Abyss, its kinda obvious. There are some colors that frequently show in the game that do not currently have have their own element, I listed some things that look like have those colors 9 - Golden Color: The power the traveler uses during the intro and in some cutscenes, the djinn energy, adeptal power,the power the traveler uses when unifing the power of other people, power of will used by the traveler in the Narzissenkreuz side quest(this one is curious, since we know Rene studied the powers of the abyss and Khvraena and both have will of their own.), some of the ley line area we in the game are yellow, also Khaenriah's machine have yellow energy(but iirc, its said that they do not use elemental energy). 10 - Light Blue?: Celestial Nails, the inside of Irminsul and that of glowing ley line branches, Deshret's Primal Light, Evernight constructs in Enkanomiya. This one I think could be the Omni-Element, since iirc around the celestial nails the particle effects include that symbol used for it in the TCG. 11- Dainsleif has a weird color, His blue does not seem to match others, and it could be its own element, on that note if it is a element, then their gog would have been one of the shades of the primordial one or even one undisclosed dragon sovereign that has been erased from history by Irminsul or this could have been Nibelung's element , but this could also be the Omni I said earlier, just darker and with black mixed into it similar to how Arlecchino's fire is. 12- For this I dont have a example.
12 could be red power? like sustainer of Heavenly Principals have and now when I think about it also kinda Arlecchino? red power sounds bad oh no what name are we giving to it?
@@hexnea I forgot about all the red stuff. And the sustainer of heavenly principles is an interesting one because her cubes have the same symbol used for Quantum in honkai, so I would she is abyss aligned since abyss is the same probably quantum. Also most of that red stuff is somewhat related to the abyss, Arlecchino's Crimson Moon is said to have fallen to the depths of the abyss, the Whithering which is forbidden knowlegde, some redish crystal formed alongside the mud in the chasm(and remember, the mud and the whitering are the same thing basically), The blood of Durin and Elynas's being clearly abyss related.
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Yeah, that might be the case, but who tf would have deleted that God? And also, who would have had the power to delete a GOD? nahida even needed the power of 2 gnosis to delete the greater lord. And the greater lord was the only person who could have done it. And I don't see why she would do something like that (also maybe the heavenly principles but also why? Why would they do that?)
Why does it feel like listening to Joker explaining about genshin lore 😂
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Help 💀 not the "5 bastards rejects " also skirk drop your stylist so I can boo them
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What has been on my mind recently, is how both Skirk and Neuvillette used powers, similar to the ones our beloved Sustainer used against the twins and I have thus far not seen a single person point that out.
The way Skirk encased the Narwal before turning it into an orb, is similar to when the Sustainer first encased the abyss twin in cubes before compressing them into a single small cube. Both of them even stare at the Orb/Cube in their hand with almost the exact same emotionless look.
At the same time the method of how Neuvillette stopped the primordial water in the fortress in act IV, is similar how the Sustainer blocked the explosion-attack that the Traveller used after the abyss twin got captured. In both cases the water/explosion stopped before receding, as if time was going backwards. Adding to that both Neuvillette and the Sustainer, use the same hand motion to achieve stop the water/explosion, the only difference is that Neuvi is using his right hand and the Sustainer is using her left hand.
Now I'm wondering if the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles is not a god, but just Surtalogi the Foul.
Maybe they're just reusing assets they already have.
There’s a theory that Deshret was Khaenriah’s “god” even if he maybe wasn’t a public one. He insisted on ‘breaking the cycle of seven’ which could just mean establishing an eighth nation with an eighth god. We know he was offered a gnosis and we know that his star form is all over khaenria’s aesthetic and clothing. And then there’s the ‘power from beyond’ which is almost certainly related to if not the same thing as forbidden knowledge. Also Khaenriah is just below the desert. The ruling class of Khaenriah for most of its time being the eclipse or ‘black sun’ dynasty also sounds a lot like Deshret, given his association with the sun and his form as a black star or ‘black sun’ would fit.
What if the power that was divided amongst the sinners was a gnosis equivalent for another descender? Like instead of the archons having 7 gnosis made from the remains of the third descender, each of the sinners could have part of the remains of the 2nd descender (or something similar, i'm not an expert on the topic).
I also think the archons and the sinners might be related as we have seen statues of the seven and also inverted statues from the abyss and the one Vedrfolnir used to communicate with our sibling in the past.
man the draven pfp throwing me off lmao bastard champ
the sinners being opposites to the archons is an interesting topic, that "elite group of khaenriah" numbered 6 (including dain) and there are currently only 6 archons. sadly we dont know enough about the sinners to really go beyond that though
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Then you add the Vinster King, Lumine or someone we don't know about and there you go, the 7 "archons" of khaenri'ah 😂
THE PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS is the only god they should worship.
you speak truth.
only 7 archons? but what about the PRIMORDIAL ONE??? and its 4 shades?
only 7 sovereigns? what about Nibelung the crack dragon king?
only 7 elements? what about Imaginary, the energy that is present throughout the universe? quantum the energy that is very similar to the functions of Irminsul? And what about the omni element crack theory?
I'm going to take my medicine now bye
Idk but that would be a fucking stupid twist after we've been told repeatedly that they did not have one
ur not wrong
This is exactly what I thought when I first saw that mechanical cube.
pma?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia yes
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Kevin the cube
@@thomasgaming7656 lol
I can think of 2 reason for Elctro vision's granting to stop
1. Ei's doubt of her own ideal. There has always been a criteria a way that the vision wrilder must reaonate with the Archon's ideal in some way and when the Archon themselves lose sight of said ideal the criteria line for who's ambition works for the ideal resonance and who's does not in order to receive said vision becomes blurry. Ei's doubt probably started about a year ago when the visions stopped dropping and at the exact same time her own people rebelled against her. Ei in all honesty was trying to create a nation that will remain forever for the sake of her people and when those same people go against that goal surely some amount of doubt would creep in. This is hard to say or confirm due to the mess that the inazuma AQ is.
2. Inazuma is no longer under Celestia's control anymore. Because the leyline branches spread by the Sacred Sakura have seperated Inazuma from the rest of the network, to put it in Makoto's words "Broken free from the shackles of the heavenly principles"
There could also be a mastery resovoir issue like how Nuvi has a seperate stored up power for vision weilders to recieve like maybe she just doesn't have any to give anymore but I u highly doubt that.
Also we cannot say that Dainsleif doesn't have something a kin to a Vision because he has something that he's just mentions once and never brings it up again, that thing is what letting him hold on to his consciounce according to him anyway and what happens when you take away a vision weilder's vision they lose their freakin mind and get a panic attack in the process
I like how you just go completely off topic at 3:07 😂 I always have a good laugh at your videos
These theories are like drugs, but im already addicted
Wow we have kira at home just listen to the way he laughs
s/o my bro kira
Cut to shaggy's 'wasnt me' playing but replace the key line with irminsul.
"She saw me on the counter." "irminsul."
BRO LMAO
The eclipse dynasty does not approve of the video title
It’s probably Istaroth who was the God of Khaenri’ah but probably got Irminsul erased. 😊
This crossed my mind as well since she was also over Mondstadt
This is also my guess, and she also is referenced to into Before Sun and Moon. Sounds very fitting for her to have been erased.
the fact that we’re 4 years in and still know barely anything about the elements, khanri’ah, and truth of the world
I felt your absence during the past days. It was weird not seeing a Dawit video on my feed when there normally is one. Good to see you back.
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:D
"Never had a god to begin with"...you know, Dainsleif is always honest with us. Well, except the times when he isn't. 😅
I think Khaenri'ah's god is...Fischl, preserved in the story Flowers of Princess Fischl. And imho, that's whatever paimon was, and perhaps will temporarily be restored to in the future.
Loom of fate is like the Khaenrian irminsul, IM PISSED THAT WE GET EFFECTED BY IT
Enigmata followers translating genshin
Nobody Expect The History Fictionologists!
Just to add, some creatures don't need a vision, like Cloud Retainer who is a pure energy being, probably don't have to deal with losing her powers because a god didn't like her, she like other godlike creatures are a threat to the balance of this worlds, if you think about it makes sense why Celestia did the Archon war, to eleminate all ''too powerful to follow the rules'', even Ei had to gave up in her physical body to make her sister Archon , that means Celestia has true fear of powers that they can't control.
Abyss powers brings corruption , selfishness , Light powers = faith , faith in others , power of friendship , Power from beyond maybe is the same as Delusion , who knows , maybe is the peak of a will of the humans , the faith in themselvs
There are actually 5 missing elements being alluded to in the namecard for Elemental Specialist. So, Imaginary, Abyss, Beyond, and two more.
Calling it now, primordial god of kaenriah nation of quanta deleted from tree disappeared after killed by 5 sinners
And with how many ties there are between Istaroth and Khaenriah (I mean, the serpent knights and khaenri'ahs symbol literally is Ishtar's star)
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considering that Istaroth was forgotten (from the irminsul at least)
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had the ability to give seeds that plant trees that can very well be their own looms of fate / separate databases outside the control of celestia (would explain why the book sun and moon couldn't be tampered with)
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yeah, I vote Istaroth as the candidate for Khaenri'ahs god
but istaroth wasent wiped from history? wait is everything we know about istaroth from bfsam?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia good question, I am not the theorist, you are, so you can investigate that xD
Also, since you read the comment, here is more food for thought because I'm about to sleep and the brainrot is strong. This is assuming that Phanes and the Primordial One are different entities.
Not so crack theory: Venti is Phanes and is the androgynous being born of the alchemical marriage between the Primordial One and Istaroth, before she was betrayed by the Sinners
MyNameForNow also just released a video that made the connections between Istaroth and Khaenri'ah stronger, so I guess you can watch it and use the book of the six pigmies as more info on her, to an extent, because now it really is obvious what the book is about
_Khaenri’ah was governed by AI & Dainsleif was it’s keeper:_ *the theory.* 💜
I don't know if this is a tinfoil hat theory, but I don't think Irminsul has always been there.
Like, I know people make the connection of "dendro has always been a thing because Apep is right there" but the Dragon Sovereigns are actually not refered to by the element.
Like, Neuvillette isn't refered to as Hydro Dragon in Before Sun and Moon, they're talking about the Dragon Sovereign of Water. Apep is also not really the Dendro Dragon, but the Dragon of Verdure. (The Domain description calls her that)
So... in theory, what is now the dendro element could've just been the Element of Verdure prior to Irminsul.
HSR is so lit with Firefly
I'm a bit confused right now, I always thought the power from beyond and abyss power were the same. Are they not? I thought so because Skirk, the one who lives in the abyss, was the one to talk about the power from beyond, so I just connected the two to be the same.
nah. dain uses power from beyond and hates the abyss
Everyone loves space China 😂
wait till you find out theres more looms of fate and we've seen them/interacted with them already in game O_O
Kazuha and Baizhu were also second half
plot twist it's the unknown god 😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱
edp as the hippo
speaking of the power, i had my own opinion on why there is no vision for dansliefs power and its because as he says its a power from a diffrent world, the same rules that apply to the elements on teyvat wouldn't apply to this foreign power it applies itself to the laws of that other world, like the travellers original power of light or whatever you call it.
I believed Ei said that vision is not from Archon but Archon will know and it need their permission even without realizing it to use their domain of element.. So that why when Vision Decree is happening there is no new electro vision bc without realizing it Ei doenst gave permission for whoever gave vision for using electro as the element of the vision..
So maybe because there is no Light/Imaginary, Abyss and power from beyond(Quantum) authorities there is no vision from it element
3:10 we get it dawit, you’re an animal, you’re a beast rahhh
i was actually ranting about my job experience. i used to work in a museum ill have u know
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia no wonder you’re such a lore nerd ;*
@@DariaVikmanMf knows IRL lore too
@@mihacimpric745 a man of culture
You’re quite close on a couple of your thoughts here. Let me explain;
Skirk would have an idea of the Gnosis because her master is also carrying around a gnosis. The Sinners are carrying around the divided powers of Istaroth.
As far as K Town having a god I would say yes. One that didn’t want to be worshipped. One that wished to help humans and asked nothing in return. It wanted no one to worship it.
That would be your boy the PO
Who just so happens to be a girl. At least, she started out as a girl when she left for Tevat, but she gained the ability to manifest thoughts into reality so… she could have changed her appearance with a simple thought
it could be that Khaenri'ah had some kind of god that whose respective element was the element of Light. if it so happened it means there had to be a Dragon Sovereign respective for that element as well. also considering why theres not a Vision of Ligh element it could be that it was banished long long time ago by celestia because it feared it
may we get a playlist of all videos where THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS, is mentioned?
that would be something. lmao ill let u know what i come up with
U dont understand how much i love your fucking off rant shit😭😭😭
I clicked on a genshit video to learn about gnosises and here i am watching animal kingdom😭😭😭😭
:D
I needed some of this crackhead energy 🙏
We early with this one!
New game plus Defenitve Edition DX is about to hit like crazy in the khaneria chapter
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Traveller isnt affected by loom of fate in any sense... He only lost memories because the space he was in lost its tether, meaning caribert's consciousness stopped existing after his death so everything traveller experienced after his death was in a space that doesn't exist therefore he doesn't remember anything....look of fate wasn't used here.... lumine literally said that she cant use it right now.
i am a predator
alrighty champ
good for you buddy
I have a feeling that aether might become an archon of khaneri’ah
That one Yugioh scene thats just: Monster Card uh, Monster Card uh
Is the same as
Irminsul, Irminsul
LMAOOO
9:32 you could also say 4 with The Sustainer's red blocks but maybe she's just built different
my fav element is salt
you know the god from zhongli's story quest or sum
Yeah I was curious do they had a god and plus who snitch
randall
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Randall snitch and who tf is Randall
bruh why this link so long lmfao
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@@DawitsLookingforEmilia oh from recess got it he does build like a snitch
Yes Lumine. When Clothar talks to Lumine he says "To us you were the abyss, and the one that controls the abyss controls everything" I think that means that Khaenri'ah wanted to experiment on Lumine. I also think that's were the Loom of Fate idea comes from because it originated in Khaenri'ah. Either they succeeded or she managed to flee with Aether and that is the beginning cut scene where the heavenly principles stops her from reaching outside Theyvat. Technically Dain never lies because they worshipped Abyss which represents the unknown and Lumine is a personification of that. But that also implies that Lumine did not come to Theyvat with Aether because he doesnt say you two, he says it like Lumine came alone. Whatever memories Lumine and Aether thinks they have could be planted by Irminsul especially if they are not strong enough to rival the will of a world. There is the possibility that he lied to her in order for her to think that she was alone the question is if they managed to tamper with Lumines memory OR if she escaped before. The way Clothar tells it Lumine is summoned to Khaenri'ah through their wishes. Kind of like how Aether can use the collective wishes to draw power to himself. Lumine is the opposite of that. As such the other sibling is far more vulnerable than the one you choose.
One day, Dawit will have Asmoday.
hopefully she doesnt fucking fight as hard as firefly
damn bro she got you worked up huh? *definitely not an innuendo*
THE PRIMORDIAL ONE!!!!!
3:42 Body highly compatible with all 7 elements.
LMAO THINK SO LAZAR?
"I R M I N S U L"
I think the main counter-argument against Irminsul, is that Irminsul has been demonstrated to be lazy. Remember the god of Chenyu Vale? the one who used to be a master of the carp adeptus, but had to be fought when she attempted to wash everyone away with a flood? She was probably hit by Irminsul. Left a gaping hole where proper information should be.
Nothing like this seems to have happened in Khaenri'ah.
As for Before Sun and Moon, I think Enkanomiya is outside of Irminsul's influence, or at least it was when the knowledge of the Primordial One was erased. They could have erased it once more, but they forgot all about him. Still, looking at the parables in that book, and their refusal to write down the Shade's name, it is likely that the authors did worry about the book being damaged by Irminsul. Speaking of parables, it is very possible that Irminsul is both older and younger than Before Sun and Moon, just like the tree in the parable is both hundreds of years old, and planted yesterday.
About Skirk knowing about gods' curses, there are plenty of them in Teyvat. Starting from all the cursed people of Khaenri'ah. One of whom is her master. Knowing what the Sovereigns smell like is more difficult to explain, but not out of question either, assuming Surtalogi's vision of "perfection" includes knowledge of all potential opponents (and strategies to deal with them, of course).
ah true forgot about the time thing, and given istaroth was involved its all up in the air now
Disdainslief. That’s his new name
sounds fancy
3:42
DAWIT ❗️
CLEAN YA ROOM ☠️❗️
lol this was a place in aruba i was ranting about something at the time
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia
Damn, you charmed, you got to visit Aruba, it’s a really beautiful country.
Shouldn't have more then 7 Archons unless Teyvat had another dragon that we haven't learned about yet we do know Teyvat had more then seven gods though god of salt ring a bell. That was the point of the Archon war to figure which god would ascend and get a throne and so on. As far as an 8th Archon maybe but you would've thought we would hear about it by now especially since my comment comes so late. But that's all I can remember more then 7 gods many had nations and even militaries but only the seven remain now
What if Dottore burning Irminsul undoes every lie/change its ever made
people brains go poof
well what if the reason we think irmunsul is connected to dendro is because irmunsul as to not let it be destroyed
wdym
Totally share your point that we are now at a place in the plot where hoyowriters can bullshit ANYTHING into a plot, even the most retconned shit, and blame it all on their plot device Nahi- ehem I mean Irminsul.
and this is all due to the absent of THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PRIMORDIAL GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS.
AMEN
Man, I entertained the idea of Khaenri’ah having a god a long time ago, I forgot a lot of my reasonings, but my final conclusion of the matter was … a God of Truth hides in Khaenri’ah. After all, we’ve heard it said before, “Well, it is true that it’s extremely difficult to tell humans and gods apart just by looking at them.” There’s a strange irony in a God hiding in a Godless Nation that I’d love to entertain the idea of.
When you take a closer look into Khaenri’ah, you’d see that there is this constant connection between Khaenri’ah and Truth.
- in 1.1 Balladeer heavily suggests that Pierro was aware of the False Sky. Something that in the Final Act for Sumeru, that Dottore calls a Truth concerning the world, hidden by Irminsul.
- the description of Black Serpent Knights talk about a sword art they’ve practiced, called Truthseeker.
- they sent diplomats to Enkanomiya to get the book, Before Sun and Moon, to find out the truth about Celestia. This was around 2000 years ago! (Did I do the math right?)
- and who knows how many more examples there are!
For Khaenri’ah, there is this consistent search for the Truth, also my to the point that it’s like an ideal of theirs. And while Humans are free to develop their own ideals, an ideal that shapes an entire nation isn’t something so easily accomplishable.
So, if a God is hiding in Khaenri’ah, why risk your hiding spot by expressing your ideal? Well, what if the God of Truth, was a key founder of Khaenri’ah? Khaenri’ah isn’t just a nation they hide in, but a nation they helped build to hide in?
This would make what Dainsleif said, about Khaenri’ah not having a God, not a lie, but rather an incorrect statement.
Now, Khaenri’ah was founded when Sal Vindagnyr was still … more or less, alive. This would’ve happened… a rather long time ago, way before the Archon War, so why would a God go through so much trouble to hide? Well, we know what Celestia did to Orabashi for finding out the truth, so what would they’ve done to a God of Truth for whatever truth they managed to discover?
And … didn’t Dainsleif tell us in the Teyvat Chapter Trailer, that the Pyro Archon will tell us a secret? With the Pyro Gemstone talking about a “achieved BLANK truth he has.”
Thank goodness Natlan is right around the corner, so we can finally figure out what this Pyro Gemstone is talking about!
I truly have always wondered who it was that pointed all the khaenriahns in this direction to seek the "truth". you bring up many good points
3:20 they all lost to the Ghazaal, in the end
lmao
bro was that u in the boxers? 😭
ya
3:15 WHAT IS BRO YAPPING ABOUT
TACO
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIND EMILIA BRUH
My nigga had EDP up in there!!! 😂😂😂 ain't no way 🤣🤣🤣🤣
whatever happened to bro. he just dissappeared after they ran up on him lmfao
Dawit my glorious king
no u
The book before sun and moon was in mirrored enkanomiya
Bordering on the light realm
So i believe irminsul cannot effect the light realm
And therefore the book or anything in enkanomiya or effected by the light realm's power
interesting
my memory is a little hazy but didnt the first dynasty of khaenriah worship the crimson moon?
i dont quite recall (must be irminsul)
the crimson moon dynasty did but we dont know if they were the first dynasty of khaenriah
that's true
God’s gaze doesn’t fall - visions don’t fall. Kaenri’ahns don’t get visions, the celestia or authority holder don’t “hear” the ambitions from potential allogenes from there.
is true for all khaenrianhs though? or people who simply live in khaenriah? kaeya for instance has a vision
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia that’s a very good question. It just clicked in my head, the phrase about the gods’ gaze not falling there. Cuz the visions are technically “eyes”, and besides them, there isn’t all that much present in the game that can be somehow connected to that statement.
Based on that Kaeya got his vision outside of Kaenriah, and old original Kaenriahns (that we know of) didn’t have any, id say it’s been more geographical than anything. Cuz if you remember the thing about the inteyvat flower (that it will crumble to dust if brought back to kaenriah), and also I think there was something about if people cursed by the divine enter kaenriah again something happens to them, I’d say the location itself carries more importance. Also, as far as we know, past “sinner” civilizations have been nuked by Celestia indirectly via the nails (only as far as we know), and for Kaenriah the sustainer had to go there on her own, and has been dormant ever since. But that’s only my weird conjecture haha
"Irminsul..."
IRMINSUL
Hey Kazuha said he knows what a star smells like but I don't remember anyone giving him the 3rd degree. How exactly do you smell a star? There seem to be a small group of people who go around smelling people in the game. Well that is a nice bridge to the next topic.
3:02 the answer is "no". That's a big "no". Huge.
5:39 also don't say that
6:30 So this Get Out Of Jail Free ticket is only available to the people who think Irminsul only changes memories and even then not really them either because that theory has to act AS IF the past really changed. Consequently you are supposed to be limited by Irminsul shifts to past scenarios that make sense, not just any arbitrary change in memories. You can substitute a different past to help you explain why the statement would come to make sense but since we don't know the real past anyway, that doesn't help at all. You get me? Let's work through an example.
Why would Ukko say it was a nation without gods if it wasn't true? Well you could hypothesize that Lenin ran out of his tomb and held a gun on Ukko and told him to write down "no gods in Khaenri'ah" and then slap it in his box. Can that explain why Ukko says Khaenri'ah has no gods? Well, yes, but then again, you could hypothesize all that is the real history too. It's just not very likely. Because Lenin doesn't even play Genshin. An unlikely event is not more likely to happen because of an Irminsul shift.
Well could there be a change due to a samsara shift, and that change makes Khaenri'ah go from not having a god to having a god? Yes, but then the text of that letter is going to change to be consistent with the new history, so the letter would now say "Khaenri'ah had a god" - which is true in the new history. In neither scenario can you get a lie communicated because of a samsara shift, at least not a "lie" in terms of the logic of the new samsara. If all you want is to have info in the new samsara contradict info in the old, that's easy, but unless you can guarantee Dainsleif's memories or Ukko's letter won't change due to the samsara shift, it's going to be honest -- as honest as anything is -- as a reflection of the new samsara.
A lot of people said oh this Irminsul stuff means anything goes, but really that's not true at all. The fate system operates to make these potential contradictions minimal. It's not photoshop. Your twitter account wasn't hacked. The contradictions can only happen when the fate system breaks down and some "old" data squeezes through. Like with Descender memories or artifact memories or chairs in the eternal oasis. So to make Ukko's statement wrong you'd need a compelling reason that would make perfect sense from within the context of regular history -- like the Lenin thing.
9:10 in the old samsara Paimon says, "There are 7 flavors of ice cream and 7 secret herbs and spices".
11:41 The memory loss from the domain of consciousness might (likely is) a result of chatting inside a domain of consciousness of a dead person. Nobody was alive at the time to operate the Loom. And we were specifically told the completed Loom can't change memories anyway.
LMAO this comment
the ukko thing is actually a good point. his original statement wouldnt really make sense if khaenriah was being founded with a god, unless its a god that shouldnt exist, but given this all should be before the archons were even a thing. it still boggles the mind.
Irminsul can edit truth in books, but not fiction. That's why it's possible to hide truth in fiction. What if Before Sun and Moon is just a fiction, a lie, propaganda and our beloved Heavenly Principles just didn't want Orobashi to spread lies and propaganda, which couldn't be edited by Irminsul?
still raises the question why it cant be altered
I'll ask the real questions: do you lift? Your biceps are huge.
when that video was filmed ya
It's 4:17AM for me and I'm waiting for HSR to open the server currently
Edit: 4:30AM it went up and I got nothing with 20 pulls
my pulls were catastrophic dont even trip
Dawit cooked gd food👍👍
:D
Tbh I think Skirk is a god but not in the sense we know. Idk maybe she was one of the gods banished to the Dark Sea and escaped to the Abyss.
hmmmm
3:35 uhm what am i watching now
:D
Yoo What's that ost used towards the end..
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Thank youu
Was that really Dawit 😮😮😮😮
ya
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia respect🙌🏾
Dawit's a nahida main? That kind of predator right?
BRO WHERE ARE WE GETTING IM A NAHIDA MAIN? akiusdbvfiuawbfvp9ouiaqbregviopuabOIBSOIDEURFBGVPAW9SO8EUIRBFGNV
2:59 oh?
i was just thinking about u
Bro put proper respect on the hippos name, not to be fucked with.......asininity is fuckin wild bro
hippos are fkn bout it dog
2:07
You are way too funny for a nerd
LMAO BRO
Khaenriahs God? no f way it's Paimon!🤡
I like that khaenriah could have had their own elements because it kinda alings with a theory I had.
What if the PRIMORDIAL ONE and each of their shades have their own element.? This would make 12, elements.
This is what I currently think could me other elements.
8 - Abyss, its kinda obvious.
There are some colors that frequently show in the game that do not currently have have their own element, I listed some things that look like have those colors
9 - Golden Color:
The power the traveler uses during the intro and in some cutscenes, the djinn energy, adeptal power,the power the traveler uses when unifing the power of other people, power of will used by the traveler in the Narzissenkreuz side quest(this one is curious, since we know Rene studied the powers of the abyss and Khvraena and both have will of their own.), some of the ley line area we in the game are yellow, also Khaenriah's machine have yellow energy(but iirc, its said that they do not use elemental energy).
10 - Light Blue?: Celestial Nails, the inside of Irminsul and that of glowing ley line branches, Deshret's Primal Light, Evernight constructs in Enkanomiya.
This one I think could be the Omni-Element, since iirc around the celestial nails the particle effects include that symbol used for it in the TCG.
11- Dainsleif has a weird color, His blue does not seem to match others, and it could be its own element, on that note if it is a element, then their gog would have been one of the shades of the primordial one or even one undisclosed dragon sovereign that has been erased from history by Irminsul or this could have been Nibelung's element , but this could also be the Omni I said earlier, just darker and with black mixed into it similar to how Arlecchino's fire is.
12- For this I dont have a example.
12 could be red power? like sustainer of Heavenly Principals have and now when I think about it also kinda Arlecchino?
red power sounds bad oh no
what name are we giving to it?
@@hexnea I forgot about all the red stuff.
And the sustainer of heavenly principles is an interesting one because her cubes have the same symbol used for Quantum in honkai, so I would she is abyss aligned since abyss is the same probably quantum.
Also most of that red stuff is somewhat related to the abyss, Arlecchino's Crimson Moon is said to have fallen to the depths of the abyss, the Whithering which is forbidden knowlegde, some redish crystal formed alongside the mud in the chasm(and remember, the mud and the whitering are the same thing basically), The blood of Durin and Elynas's being clearly abyss related.