The best thing about this video is when you turn on the subtitles. Gaspard de la Nuit becomes "spider on me" or "gospel Germany". Le Gibet becomes "Leisure B" many times. And Ivo Pogorelich becomes "Evil Pogo Redditch". So incredibly funny.
That's a cool Kissin story and I think his reasoning makes a lot of sense tbh. At their (world class) level, there is really no point to play a piece if you don't think there's anything new your interpretation can add.
@@pavlenikacevic4976 Gould said pretty much the same thing, about recording and playing all music, considering this, the few pieces that he recorded more than once do sound very different from each other, the Goldberg being the prime example.
I have looked at many scores, my favorite is the Nancy Bricard edition, but I am sure the Henle is excellent also. You can tell in some older recordings, e.g., Gina Bachauer, that they are using the Durand edition because you can hear the mistakes, especially in "Ondine." The last time I checked I had 38 recordings of Gaspard, so you know I really love it. My favorite recordings are #1, Minoru Nojima (available on YT), and tied at #2 are the 1975 studio Argerich and the 1958 live in London Michelangeli. The best one to listen to when you are studying is, for me, Abdel Rahman El Bacha, who takes it slower than usual but superclean, you can hear every note. There are many others I love, but I am not going to list them all because tomorrow my favorites might change.
@@dominikclarke6545 Grosvenor is extremely talented, and I have heard his excellent Gaspard. But I don't own it, I was referring to those in my collection. Given how many recordings of it I already have, it would have to be a truly extraordinary performance to get me to buy yet another one. But thanks for the suggestion.
I'm using the Nancy Bricard edition and I do like that it has a detailed note about every mistake and technique suggestion (like the D# repeated notes), but i'm still curious if it's worth getting the HV edition?
34:03 While we're at it, I'm currently practicing Scarbo. There are other parts that you can split (and what obviously me and my teacher both do) like for example 6 bars after the pp I take the f sharp from the right hand to play in the left hand chord.
Thank you for emphasizing the "Scarbo" part in Scarbo is often played too fast! Alicia de Larrocha does an excellent job of playing everything at an even tempo with perfect rhythm.
Interested in the quasi 'Giant Steps' section, that is, the section w/ that sequence of third-related modulations. 25:47 - 26:00 = there , that section. Wish you had played the whole sequence, and talked about that section.
My Opinion: I had a piano teacher who told me 'oh, you can't play this piece - it's too difficult'. All it takes is the right finger on the right note at the right time. Simplification, yes, but if you truly love the music you can play it.
How well will be a completely different thing but almost. I mean I wouldn't advice playing gaspard right after für elise, but with enough practice you can play anything. Just that it would take less practice if you already were very good at piano.
@@douwemusicyou learn that while practicing a specific part of a piece. Being good just means that you know more techniques, thus you learn faster, however you are not better than someone that does not know techniques. Beginners just learn the tehniques while learning the piecec
Yes, agree: Pogorelich! But I like his Scarbo even better than his Ondine. His musical ideas in Scarbo are incredible, and the way he paces himself in this piece is amazing. He manages to maintain a continuous unifying line throughout the piece, while individualizing all the different sections of the piece. Too many people play this piece in a way that is much too fractured, and is almost caricatural because of the exaggerations they use to denote the various sections and sudden changes of mood in the piece.
Great fingering suggestion on bar 57 of Ondine! Just tried it and it's smooth like butter!! What fingering do you use for the same gesture transposed at bar 60?
Thank you for this. A quick Q: I heard many recommend Edition Durand for french composers, what are your thoughts on that? Maybe that's neither here nor there. Just curious. I got the Wiener edition.
in general I think Durand is good, but for the Gaspard they really messed up, they might have fixed their mistakes already but until the mid 2010´s there were still issues as far as I know with that Gaspard edition. Henle edition came out in 2010 and has fixed all mistakes! Otherwise I would also recommend Henle or Durand for other french composers
Well--having performed Gaspard in several concerts---interestingly my toughest parts are in the slower Le Gibet middle w those ridiculously wide spaced chords w tons of F&C flats throughout ( ugh!) Last year for about 4 months I played the whole set followed by my other 2 partners in "piano crime" Petroushka & Islamey. I eventually dropped Gaspard but , do play the other 2 daily as my " Hanon"( haha!) I've repeatedly heard that each of these 3 compositions are the supposedly " hardest" piano pieces. I 100% disagree. The JS Bach WTC Books1& 2 are infinitely more difficult. I'm currently playing the 18 Mozart Sonatas & I would also put them( as a whole) way above the 3 war horses. Bach & Mozart inevitably are the foundation & basis of the other 3---even Petroushka---play all 3 & try to determine which is harder(?) They all help each other symbioticly. My 8 yr son Thor hears me play all 3 constantly& he always says " all of them" when I ask which is harder. Go figure!
This is a 30+ min vid about my experience with Gaspard and also tips and tricks, but fine, if you really want to focus only on the "difficulty" part, I cant help you.
Sure, you played all that 🤣 post one video from the concert not just bragging around UA-cam with those 3 and 27 Chopin études and think you are special. Most of the pianists play all of them anyway, nothing special.
Hello! Thank you for all the Information. Only if you are interested: I really would like to know, if it is possible to play the ondine in the dynamics Anton Batagov ua-cam.com/video/idvBW5Okqx4/v-deo.html interprets it, or if it is digitally manipulated. Best regards, Giacomo.
My hunch: your WILDLY out of tune piano is an inexpensive E. Asian product that suffers as well from perhaps NEVER having been properly regulated and voiced in its life! Maybe it's 4-8 years old and entirely neglected! I highly recommend you have your areas best technician devote the 3-4 days if requires. (But You may also have a cracked pin block. You better find out now. ) If you've never practiced on a beautifully regulated and tuned piano, your world will change when that happens. Good luck.
My piano is tuned once every 2-3 months by a Steinway tuner who knows what he's doing. I practice a lot especially on the high registers and blow up the tuning in 2-3 weeks max ^^ thanks for your concern though. And my conservatory has great instruments (Steinway, Bösendorfer, Fazioli) which I practice on, so I had to smile a bit about your comment of not having practiced on regulated pianos ;) also, this should really not be the focus of this video. cheers !
@@PianoTechSupport i disagree. The focus is You and Ravel!! You are a terrific pianist and therefore it's a shame to hear your instrument block you. It screams forth with incredibly distuned scale notes. If it were tuned, then your relationship with M. RAVEL might become more enchanting. I cannot understand your implication that because a so called "Steinway tuner" visits your piano that therefore it's in tune. It is desperately out, and you may need a new tech (unless your piano has developed a pinblock crack).
@@PianoTechSupport Some piano players go thru life without ever having played a beautifully regulated, voiced, and tuned piano. Those are s a huge turn-on when encountered. And many schools house neglected and/or ignorantly handled instruments. I have had experience with all this.
The best thing about this video is when you turn on the subtitles. Gaspard de la Nuit becomes "spider on me" or "gospel Germany". Le Gibet becomes "Leisure B" many times. And Ivo Pogorelich becomes "Evil Pogo Redditch". So incredibly funny.
I appreciate the time you've taken to make this detailed video
Btw, dont forget to link the orchestral version in the description
Ah yes, sorry about that. Going to link and put it in description now. But keep the comment, its good for the algorithm :D
That's a cool Kissin story and I think his reasoning makes a lot of sense tbh. At their (world class) level, there is really no point to play a piece if you don't think there's anything new your interpretation can add.
Why not
whose version was it that Kissin loved? didn't catch the name
@@oxoelfoxo François
@@pavlenikacevic4976 Gould said pretty much the same thing, about recording and playing all music, considering this, the few pieces that he recorded more than once do sound very different from each other, the Goldberg being the prime example.
I have looked at many scores, my favorite is the Nancy Bricard edition, but I am sure the Henle is excellent also. You can tell in some older recordings, e.g., Gina Bachauer, that they are using the Durand edition because you can hear the mistakes, especially in "Ondine." The last time I checked I had 38 recordings of Gaspard, so you know I really love it. My favorite recordings are #1, Minoru Nojima (available on YT), and tied at #2 are the 1975 studio Argerich and the 1958 live in London Michelangeli. The best one to listen to when you are studying is, for me, Abdel Rahman El Bacha, who takes it slower than usual but superclean, you can hear every note. There are many others I love, but I am not going to list them all because tomorrow my favorites might change.
Surely you've listened to Grosvenor?! The microscopic effects in the filigree and the sheer power of the climax (and perfect pacing) is unrivalled!
@@dominikclarke6545 Grosvenor is extremely talented, and I have heard his excellent Gaspard. But I don't own it, I was referring to those in my collection. Given how many recordings of it I already have, it would have to be a truly extraordinary performance to get me to buy yet another one. But thanks for the suggestion.
I'm using the Nancy Bricard edition and I do like that it has a detailed note about every mistake and technique suggestion (like the D# repeated notes), but i'm still curious if it's worth getting the HV edition?
Thank you so much for this video! I will try as it will take many years!
34:03 While we're at it, I'm currently practicing Scarbo. There are other parts that you can split (and what obviously me and my teacher both do) like for example 6 bars after the pp I take the f sharp from the right hand to play in the left hand chord.
Thank you for emphasizing the "Scarbo" part in Scarbo is often played too fast! Alicia de Larrocha does an excellent job of playing everything at an even tempo with perfect rhythm.
Yes, but her "Ondine" is actually not very good. Arturo Benedetti Michelangelo's is much better.
Great vid. Very useful
Interested in the quasi 'Giant Steps' section, that is, the section w/ that sequence of third-related modulations. 25:47 - 26:00 = there , that section. Wish you had played the whole sequence, and talked about that section.
My Opinion: I had a piano teacher who told me 'oh, you can't play this piece - it's too difficult'. All it takes is the right finger on the right note at the right time. Simplification, yes, but if you truly love the music you can play it.
Simplification indeed!
How well will be a completely different thing but almost. I mean I wouldn't advice playing gaspard right after für elise, but with enough practice you can play anything. Just that it would take less practice if you already were very good at piano.
...with the right muscles that minimize fatigue and optimize speed
Same
@@douwemusicyou learn that while practicing a specific part of a piece. Being good just means that you know more techniques, thus you learn faster, however you are not better than someone that does not know techniques. Beginners just learn the tehniques while learning the piecec
Yes, agree: Pogorelich! But I like his Scarbo even better than his Ondine. His musical ideas in Scarbo are incredible, and the way he paces himself in this piece is amazing. He manages to maintain a continuous unifying line throughout the piece, while individualizing all the different sections of the piece. Too many people play this piece in a way that is much too fractured, and is almost caricatural because of the exaggerations they use to denote the various sections and sudden changes of mood in the piece.
Great fingering suggestion on bar 57 of Ondine! Just tried it and it's smooth like butter!! What fingering do you use for the same gesture transposed at bar 60?
Thank you for this. A quick Q: I heard many recommend Edition Durand for french composers, what are your thoughts on that? Maybe that's neither here nor there. Just curious. I got the Wiener edition.
in general I think Durand is good, but for the Gaspard they really messed up, they might have fixed their mistakes already but until the mid 2010´s there were still issues as far as I know with that Gaspard edition. Henle edition came out in 2010 and has fixed all mistakes! Otherwise I would also recommend Henle or Durand for other french composers
Another amazing Ondine (my favorite next to Pogorelich): Grosvenor
grosvenor's recording actually still blows me away with his dynamic control and articulation
I've heard Grosvenor's live Gaspard once and it was truly unforgettable.
Seeing how the auto captions render the foreign language words is it’s own spectator sport
i can almost play Gibet, i was shocked that its quite tough for a slow piece...but i love it.
great video, thank you very much :)
Glad you liked it!
I would consider Gaspard, along with Liszt Sonata and Rach 2nd Sonata, to be some of the most difficult pieces in the standard repertoire.
Trois Mouvements de Petrouchka by Stravinsky is very similar in difficulty when compared to the Gaspard.
oooo, I can play it
Well--having performed Gaspard in several concerts---interestingly my toughest parts are in the slower Le Gibet middle w those ridiculously wide spaced chords w tons of F&C flats throughout ( ugh!)
Last year for about 4 months I played the whole set followed by my other 2 partners in "piano crime" Petroushka & Islamey. I eventually dropped Gaspard but , do play the other 2 daily as my " Hanon"( haha!)
I've repeatedly heard that each of these 3 compositions are the supposedly " hardest" piano pieces.
I 100% disagree.
The JS Bach WTC Books1& 2 are infinitely more difficult.
I'm currently playing the 18 Mozart Sonatas & I would also put them( as a whole) way above the 3 war horses.
Bach & Mozart inevitably are the foundation & basis of the other 3---even Petroushka---play all 3 & try to determine which is harder(?) They all help each other symbioticly.
My 8 yr son Thor hears me play all 3 constantly& he always says " all of them" when I ask which is harder.
Go figure!
This is a 30+ min vid about my experience with Gaspard and also tips and tricks, but fine, if you really want to focus only on the "difficulty" part, I cant help you.
@@PianoTechSupport -aaah.. & why would you think yr qualified to " help" me dude?
Furthermore--I'm not in any way ,shape or form seeking " help"(?!?)
@@tedallison6112 I am afraid you are absolutely right.
@@tedallison6112 please lose the arrogance and let's move on ;) PTS
Sure, you played all that 🤣 post one video from the concert not just bragging around UA-cam with those 3 and 27 Chopin études and think you are special. Most of the pianists play all of them anyway, nothing special.
I’m curious to know after how many years of piano playing you achived that.
After about 13 years!
The subtitles are dreadful... Gaspard isn't taking us to Scarborough Fair for heaven's sake!
Subtitles are auto generated by UA-cam.
Hello! Thank you for all the Information. Only if you are interested: I really would like to know, if it is possible to play the ondine in the dynamics Anton Batagov ua-cam.com/video/idvBW5Okqx4/v-deo.html interprets it, or if it is digitally manipulated. Best regards, Giacomo.
My hunch: your WILDLY out of tune piano is an inexpensive E. Asian product that suffers as well from perhaps NEVER having been properly regulated and voiced in its life! Maybe it's 4-8 years old and entirely neglected! I highly recommend you have your areas best technician devote the 3-4 days if requires. (But You may also have a cracked pin block. You better find out now. ) If you've never practiced on a beautifully regulated and tuned piano, your world will change when that happens. Good luck.
My piano is tuned once every 2-3 months by a Steinway tuner who knows what he's doing. I practice a lot especially on the high registers and blow up the tuning in 2-3 weeks max ^^ thanks for your concern though. And my conservatory has great instruments (Steinway, Bösendorfer, Fazioli) which I practice on, so I had to smile a bit about your comment of not having practiced on regulated pianos ;) also, this should really not be the focus of this video. cheers !
@@PianoTechSupport i disagree. The focus is You and Ravel!! You are a terrific pianist and therefore it's a shame to hear your instrument block you. It screams forth with incredibly distuned scale notes. If it were tuned, then your relationship with M. RAVEL might become more enchanting. I cannot understand your implication that because a so called "Steinway tuner" visits your piano that therefore it's in tune. It is desperately out, and you may need a new tech (unless your piano has developed a pinblock crack).
@@PianoTechSupport Some piano players go thru life without ever having played a beautifully regulated, voiced, and tuned piano. Those are s a huge turn-on when encountered. And many schools house neglected and/or ignorantly handled instruments. I have had experience with all this.
@@phineasbluster2872 thank you very much for your comment.