So, the lads mention a few times that we had 5 rounds of locals that night: to clarify though this was round 4 and Ben was paired down. This is important because if Ben lost this round, we'd have ended there. (I lost round 1 to Cooper playing Wargrey with Hades Forces) Afterthoughts from this match up: >Ben hit actually nothing out of my security that ever mattered, I mean sure he 90% of the time has jamming but Game 1 was all low end, game 2 didn't matter cause he didn't get to swing, and game 3 was a single Bt12 Marcus that didn't matter cause Ben OTK'd that turn >TJ says it pretty well at 4:35, Ben doesn't need to bulk my hand size at all to OTK because you just need to kick the hand size to 9 and suddenly you get another swing at security, meanwhile Shine needs to have enough tamers on board to do just about anything. >I thought I cleared board pretty well game 1, had to sequence everything just right to get the correct DP reductions but I managed. Unfortunately I only had 2 and then 3 security which couldn't save me from the Sec +1 Inherit and both of my Burst modes were clumped together in the deck (12:28 I show this to Ben) >Game 2 had TJ and Ben talking about how Ben was trying to control my board to prevent me from doing what I want, but other than lacking the right lv5 I had gone ahead and set up enough to win that turn. Not swinging at Shine while they're lacking tamers is correct, but that situation flips around the moment that Shine DOES have Tamers. Since I have nothing stopping me from just going for security other than just an unlucky option, if I even hit one. >Game 3, once again I didn't have the right lv5 so I try to wait one turn, aaaaand Ben OTKs. Funny thing was that Ben Bottom Decked both of my Lv6s in hand when he Bursted there, so I was kinda screwed either way So anyway, I know that a lot of people hate Shine because of how fast it was in Bt13, but you really have to understand that Mirage is either gonna out pace you, or they'll suddenly Hand Control you and you'll lose several things you'd have rather kept. Ben is half the reason I swapped back to Yellow Base. But we learn and improve, and go for another round.
@@SuperTbonety I get that, I've definitely also considered it myself. My only issue with that is that Burst mode is a very specific use top-end that only really works if you Burst Evolve, unlike Mirage or Rose there's no real purpose to paying 5 memory to keep the lv7 on board. Also, most of the time I feel like it's not impossible to end games without the Burst mode, but I definitely feel like with decks like Mirage (or MagnaX next set) you really need Security Bombs.
Since bt16 doesn’t give Shine new tools you kind of stuck with the old build. Maybe you add the new yellow Agumon but that’s it. Bt17 gives shine much more tools so the deck will have more ways to go up your line without risking Marcus attacks.
Shine going into Bt16 is going to be in a rough spot, you can still OTK the opponent but the 3 best decks (or how it was for JP, since EN does differ) directly had mechanics that counter Shine in some manner. Imperial gets Partition and the New Dragon Mode that punishes Evolving by effect. RapidX just does -5K on any suspended body, so now you can't swing with Marcus unless you have a Bt12 Shine on field. MagnaX is just a stupid thick wall that has plenty of room in the deck for Security Bombs. Bt16 does give a new Searcher Agumon, but it's mostly meant for the Galaxy DNA deck, you'd be better off running Bt13 Kudamon or using Bt9 Agumon X instead. I'm currently playing around with adding or even just switching eggs to the new Bt16 Uppamon if only just to get Blocker on my stacks. Valkyerimon or Silphymon are also in consideration to try some things out. Here's my Current List: 4x Bt12 Koromon 4x Bt12 Agumon (Yellow/Red) 4x Bt13 Agumon 2x Ex04 Agumon 2x Bt14 Patamon 1x Bt09 Pillowmon 4x Bt12 GeoGreymon 1x Bt13 GeoGreymon 4x Ex04 GeoGreymon 2x Bt12 RizeGreymon 4x Bt13 RizeGreymon 2x Bt09 RizeGreymon X 4x Bt12 ShineGreymon 1x Bt13 ShineGreymon 2x Bt13 ShineGreymon Burst Mode 4x Bt12 Marcus Damon 4x Bt13 Marcus Damon 1x Physical Training 1x Bt06 Reinforcing Memory Boost 1x Bt09 Sunrise Buster 1x Bt11 Holy Sunshine 1x Bt13 Final Shining Burst
Same opinion on the gaomon searcher, super needed in the deck going further even into bt16. Everytime the gaomon trashes a zudo ace and training, it’ll also grab you a Thomas and the lvl4 that plays Thomas for free
I think it really depends on the player and what their comfort zone is. I dont think its bad enough to just automatically cut it. I also dont think its amazing to justify a must have. I think if you feel more safe and confident with the play you run it. If you feel comfortable with alternatives like goma etc go for it. Half the game is mental and confidence in a way so whatever helps you there in my opinion is your best call
So, the lads mention a few times that we had 5 rounds of locals that night: to clarify though this was round 4 and Ben was paired down. This is important because if Ben lost this round, we'd have ended there. (I lost round 1 to Cooper playing Wargrey with Hades Forces)
Afterthoughts from this match up:
>Ben hit actually nothing out of my security that ever mattered, I mean sure he 90% of the time has jamming but Game 1 was all low end, game 2 didn't matter cause he didn't get to swing, and game 3 was a single Bt12 Marcus that didn't matter cause Ben OTK'd that turn
>TJ says it pretty well at 4:35, Ben doesn't need to bulk my hand size at all to OTK because you just need to kick the hand size to 9 and suddenly you get another swing at security, meanwhile Shine needs to have enough tamers on board to do just about anything.
>I thought I cleared board pretty well game 1, had to sequence everything just right to get the correct DP reductions but I managed. Unfortunately I only had 2 and then 3 security which couldn't save me from the Sec +1 Inherit and both of my Burst modes were clumped together in the deck (12:28 I show this to Ben)
>Game 2 had TJ and Ben talking about how Ben was trying to control my board to prevent me from doing what I want, but other than lacking the right lv5 I had gone ahead and set up enough to win that turn. Not swinging at Shine while they're lacking tamers is correct, but that situation flips around the moment that Shine DOES have Tamers. Since I have nothing stopping me from just going for security other than just an unlucky option, if I even hit one.
>Game 3, once again I didn't have the right lv5 so I try to wait one turn, aaaaand Ben OTKs. Funny thing was that Ben Bottom Decked both of my Lv6s in hand when he Bursted there, so I was kinda screwed either way
So anyway, I know that a lot of people hate Shine because of how fast it was in Bt13, but you really have to understand that Mirage is either gonna out pace you, or they'll suddenly Hand Control you and you'll lose several things you'd have rather kept. Ben is half the reason I swapped back to Yellow Base.
But we learn and improve, and go for another round.
Yeah, not seeing your burst modes in game 1 sucked. It's why I upped mine to 3 copies.
@@SuperTbonety I get that, I've definitely also considered it myself. My only issue with that is that Burst mode is a very specific use top-end that only really works if you Burst Evolve, unlike Mirage or Rose there's no real purpose to paying 5 memory to keep the lv7 on board. Also, most of the time I feel like it's not impossible to end games without the Burst mode, but I definitely feel like with decks like Mirage (or MagnaX next set) you really need Security Bombs.
I listen/watch these while working. Your intro music is a bit loud when using headphones. Thanks for posting!
We will definitely work on fixing that!! Thank you for the feedback 🙏🏻
Y’all are the beavis and butthead of the digital world lol
Hell yea bruddah!!
how you guys feel about shine in to bt-16? do you have the list from jeremy?
Since bt16 doesn’t give Shine new tools you kind of stuck with the old build. Maybe you add the new yellow Agumon but that’s it. Bt17 gives shine much more tools so the deck will have more ways to go up your line without risking Marcus attacks.
Shine going into Bt16 is going to be in a rough spot, you can still OTK the opponent but the 3 best decks (or how it was for JP, since EN does differ) directly had mechanics that counter Shine in some manner. Imperial gets Partition and the New Dragon Mode that punishes Evolving by effect. RapidX just does -5K on any suspended body, so now you can't swing with Marcus unless you have a Bt12 Shine on field. MagnaX is just a stupid thick wall that has plenty of room in the deck for Security Bombs.
Bt16 does give a new Searcher Agumon, but it's mostly meant for the Galaxy DNA deck, you'd be better off running Bt13 Kudamon or using Bt9 Agumon X instead. I'm currently playing around with adding or even just switching eggs to the new Bt16 Uppamon if only just to get Blocker on my stacks. Valkyerimon or Silphymon are also in consideration to try some things out.
Here's my Current List:
4x Bt12 Koromon
4x Bt12 Agumon (Yellow/Red)
4x Bt13 Agumon
2x Ex04 Agumon
2x Bt14 Patamon
1x Bt09 Pillowmon
4x Bt12 GeoGreymon
1x Bt13 GeoGreymon
4x Ex04 GeoGreymon
2x Bt12 RizeGreymon
4x Bt13 RizeGreymon
2x Bt09 RizeGreymon X
4x Bt12 ShineGreymon
1x Bt13 ShineGreymon
2x Bt13 ShineGreymon Burst Mode
4x Bt12 Marcus Damon
4x Bt13 Marcus Damon
1x Physical Training
1x Bt06 Reinforcing Memory Boost
1x Bt09 Sunrise Buster
1x Bt11 Holy Sunshine
1x Bt13 Final Shining Burst
I’ve always enjoyed the music you guys use for your matches. What is it?
Round 1: motionarray.com/royalty-free-music/a-fine-life-1205449/
Round 2: motionarray.com/royalty-free-music/digital-sunset-1234919/
Round 3: front.motionarray.com/royalty-free-music/unlock-your-power-2017242/?subcategories=dance
Hope that helps!
Hi, where can i see the gaomon list? Thanks
For sure! here is my list:
3 Wanyamon BT11-002
3 Gaomon BT11-020
4 MirageGaogamon BT11-033
4 Gaogamon BT13-025
3 MachGaogamon BT13-029
3 MirageGaogamon: Burst Mode BT13-033
3 Thomas H. Norstein BT13-097
1 Full Moon Meteor Impact BT13-105
1 Bukamon BT14-002
3 Zudomon BT14-026
4 Betamon BT15-022
1 MirageGaoGamon BT4-035
3 Thomas H. Norstein BT4-093
1 Kumamon BT7-021
4 Gaomon EX4-015
4 Gaogamon EX4-017
1 MachGaogamon EX4-019
2 Blue Memory Boost! P-036
4 Mental Training P-104
2 AeroVeedramon ST8-08
Same opinion on the gaomon searcher, super needed in the deck going further even into bt16. Everytime the gaomon trashes a zudo ace and training, it’ll also grab you a Thomas and the lvl4 that plays Thomas for free
I took out the searcher Gaomon and never really missed it. Honestly I would like to max out on Zudomon as it’s saved me more often than not.
I think it really depends on the player and what their comfort zone is. I dont think its bad enough to just automatically cut it. I also dont think its amazing to justify a must have. I think if you feel more safe and confident with the play you run it. If you feel comfortable with alternatives like goma etc go for it. Half the game is mental and confidence in a way so whatever helps you there in my opinion is your best call
@@HyperColosseum you are not wrong (possibly Ben replying to the comment)