Picts: Part 2- Symbols and Statements
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2016
- This film begins where Symbols and Signs ends and traces attempts to explain the meaning of the Pictish symbols through the translation of Ogham and Latin inscriptions on a small number of the symbol stones. The film focuses on a number of key Pictish stones including those at St Vigeans, Auchenblae and Aberlemno. The film asks whether a Pictish ‘Rosetta Stone’ has been discovered which reveals the meaning of the symbols.
Subtitles are available by clicking on the small cc at bottom margin of the video.
These videos help answer a lot of questions I had about these beautiful stones. We saw many of them in situ in 2005 and they have left a mark in my mind. I am a Stone Carver in the US with Scottish Heritage. Thank you so much for all of your hard work in creating these for us to enjoy and be further educated. David Gillespie
Incredible series, I really hope you and your team continue to uncover more truths, speculations and ideas as we really should have nothing but gratitude towards those that came before us and shaped our destiny.
Thank you so much for this. I have a history degree from NYU and unfortunately didn’t get a lot of study on the Picts and the Neolithic. Your videos are excellent and show your knowledge. Keep it up 👍🏻
Thank you. A lot of work goes into them. Particularly by Alan who does the research before we start. Nice to be appreciated!
Dip In Video I KNOW I do very basic vids and it’s a lot!
Thank you very much for your hard work on this and your other projects, the quality of your presentations is splendid and appreciated. It amazes me how much the general history pre-Viking is so diminished in the North compared to Romanized Britannia; it is hard to fathom how much we have lost from the enormously diverse cultures within Great Britain.
Thank you again for helping to shed much appreciated light on this subject for everyone. Your detailed examination of the stones themselves allows us to view them as if we were there ourselves, and the surrounding countryside shots further establish this greatly enjoyed illusion.
I would love to comment on the language itself, but hopefully that can be done in another place and another time. Again, gratitude from myself and family across the pond. Such beautiful examination of the Old Country and its history is a treasure to the aging minds and hearts of my parents, and my own longing soul.
Fantastic viewing thank you for your hard work compiling and filming
Fascinating stuff. I'm surprised how information-dense the relics and stonework is. It shows a highly sophisticated culture that appears to readily adopt innovative ideas.
Thank you - this was a lovely series. This is definitely one of my favorite topics of exploration. The reference to Erddon/Tiernan on the stones could be a request for divine assistance, blessing, or intercession in a difficult or unknown circumstance by the Saint-. Religions still do this today, of course, and the stone form of prayer would feel very powerful and permanent.
I have been fortunate enough to have read the Scriptures more than several times. And studied intensely the Gospel Stories.
The Dunfallandy Stone is John Chapter 3. It is Jesus teaching Nicodeamis about the Spirtual Birth. This was a very significant teaching and to some calling it the Gateway into the Spirtual life. That’s something they would definitely invest their time into carving...not just a conversation between two others. If the Picts were truly accepting the Gospel then John 3 is the would of been the starting point.
Very very interesting videos. Thank you!
Thank you, saw you at Port Elphinstone, now see what you were doing, Brandsbutt Stone used to be in the middle of a field with two other stones, it was intact when we were younger,
Your shadow at 8:42 is kinda funny tho. Excellent series. I have watched so much history on UA-cam that know I choose by how the narrator speaks. You sir are a 10/10.
loved this .. i've only just started started showing an interest in the picts and symbols and found your playlist fascinating.. thank you so much
Very interesting historical programme. I'm in the West Of Ireland....Good presentation..Academics are still baffled and historians are still dazzled and frazzled by this Our Heritage...
Fascinating series, you have me all fired up to learn more sir!
Me too
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An amazing documentary. Thank you for creating and uploading.
Well....this video answers my question I posed in the first video!!....This video also answers a lot of questions that I had about the Picts....however like yourself I feel that there are still many mysteries to be uncovered....fascinating time in history. Thank you
Great job! I've found this two part video series very educational.
Thank you for your fascinating series.😊
Excellent series! Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this subject.
the double disk looks to me like a depiction of two Neolithic mounds connected by a causeway
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Has anyone looked at the possibility that the Pict's name for their country was Edern/a ?
Congrats on an extremely good documentary. I subscribed.
Given their size, and paucity, they are surely royal tombstones, rather than jurisdictional markers. This must date them to before the unification of 'pictland'. The use of Ogham script is interesting, at least it gives us, apparently, royal names to go by. Most Ogham scripts are found in Wales, such as the Votiporius stone. Uniquely he is described on his tombstone as a Protector, not a king, a late Roman rank referring to a small corps of military officers attached to the court of the Roman emperor. They were trusted men sent on special missions, to gather information, carry messages etc. Ammianus Marcellinus whose history books date from about 390AD, was a member of the corps of protectors. As such he witnessed the seige of Amida by the Sassanid Persian King, narrowly escaping the sack of that town through a postern gate, and being chased through the Iraqi desert by Persian cavalry troopers
Thank you very much. I love this.
This presenter is top notch.
These videos are excellent. Thanks for the effort.
Great clips. Was running down ancestors and ended up here. Thank you for posting helping me personal research 👍
This Eddarrnnonn was obviously the original Kilroy
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This was fascinating,thank you... left me wanting to know more ✌🏻
Thanks to Alan Short, I've learned a lot.
Thank you for this. I'm pretty sure these are associated with constellations and other astronomical phenomena. I've already identified the weird looking animal as what we know of as "Capricorn". In most of the older drawings of it on star maps, it is shown with very long horns. The artists renderings of the Zodiac change thruout time, but this one seems to have some staying power. In the sky, it is surrounded by dogs and birds and only a little ways away there are 2 horse-and-riders that we know of as "Centaurs". Capricorn is special as the sign that, in conjunction with the Sun, marks the depth of Winter and the lowest point of the Ecliptic toward the Southern Horizon. Esp. from the Northern-most viewpoints on Earth.
The "Crescent and Broken Arrow" was shown in 2 distinct angles: one wider and another narrower. This could be the places the sun rises and sets on the arc of the Ecliptic being wider in Summer and narrower in Winter. I'd have to study it for days to figure it all out, but this is just what I've gotten in the last few hours. I strongly suspect this is where the images come from.
However, different Cultures use the same asterisms to tell different stories, so the Pictish stories would be the important part that the pictures do not show. As many people do already know, these same asterisms have been used to tell the Biblical stories as well, as Bede discovered, so the combining of the images may not have presented any significant problem for them.
The one I am highly curious about is the Z - which, btw, is not a Z, but a pointy S. It begins in the upper right, goes horizontally left, then down diagonally to the right, and back horizontally to the left. This means something. In time, I'll figure it out.
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I doubt the Picts at that time were interested in the night sky much, the Scottish climate meant it was too cloudy and the days too short, and Christians have never been noted for interest in either astronomy or astrology
@@christophersmith5691 Per other researchers/videos, Picts were a sea-faring people, and sea-farers are traditionally interested in the stars. The short winter days you write of mean that they experienced months of really long nights. In a place with not much else to do, that usually means people watch the stars. Over the centuries and millennia, even the occasional clear sky at night can lead to the accumulation of lots of knowledge. Finns, Lapps/Sami, Inuits and other extremely northern peoples are known to have studied the night skies and created stories about it. Ask any hobbyist stargazer, and they'll confirm that winter nighttime skies are often the clearest. Although some of these carvings are clearly from the era of early Christianization of the Picts, the non-religious parts of the Picts' culture didn't change overnight. They'd been doing things their way for centuries or longer, defending it rather ably from Romans, the predecessors of lowland Scots, etc. This beast figure was obviously incorporated into their writing system, wherever it originated, whatever it came to mean. How astrology is written about relative to history and science has changed a LOT over just the last 30-40 years, and history books are being rewritten to reflect that. Much of what is taught as "fact" reflects attitudes about the past that hardly existed well within living memory. So, not intending to be snippy, none of your reasons for doubting hold up. www.thestarofthemagi.com/christianastrology.htm
I also came up with the Pictish Beast being the Capricorn sea-goat. Given that they were such a northerly people, for whom the winter nights were indeed long, maybe they adopted this glyph as their symbol, and that's why it is found so commonly in these carvings.
In the comments of another video about Picts, a woman from northern Scotland wrote that where she grew up, a rough agricultural 'calendar" was fashioned from setting up 3 tall stones on a summer solstice, and watching for when its shadow touched one of the stones (time to plant) or the other (time to reap). Another commenter wrote of something similar using V-shaped rods, one a narrower V, the other much wider. It all makes me wonder if the crescent and broken arrow were a way of signifying a date. Or it could mean "In Memoriam".
Learned a lot. Thank you.
Aye good work, thanks.
Check out how the mirror is used to symbolize venus and the term know thyself and also In Mesopotamian artifacts / Sumerian artifacts. The Hittites also use Eagles and mirror shapes, too. Seems to be wide spread use of similar symbols.
Have you explored the EID meaning "from" and the earlier reference meaning "of" Tiernan? Very interesting. Great videos.
Aye, really good.
thank you for this. i always thought or was told. that the z rod was a year in time, signifying summer going into winter or vice versa. is this now believed as a redundant idea?
High class Ethnology, very creditable.
My own view is that the "Rosetta Stone", at least for one particular symbol, you show in the video. In the Sculptors Cave you show a carving of a Crescent and V-rod. To my eyes, this can only have one single interpretation - a bow and a broken arrow. The extreme antiquity of these symbols is then attested by the fact that a high degree of stylisation has been applied to the later carvings, which has somewhat obscured their composition. Hence, the "orange segment" shape of the simple bow (yew longbow), later became stylised with the bowstring curving "in sympathy" with the curve of the bow, to create a crescent shape. The stylised forms at either end of the V-rod are generally slightly different, as they symbolise the head and the fletchings of the arrow. This can be much more clearly seen in the Sculptors Cave carving. Also, V-rods and indeed Z-rods are very often carved with a deltoid shape in the crux of the angles of the rods. This I believe to be an allusion to how the fibres of wood splinter and separate, when a wooden rod is broken in half. The fibres on the outside of the break will remain straight, but those on the inside of the break will bend into a curve, and not break. Thereby inferring the deltoid shape carved in the V and Z-rods. As the V-rods were broken arrows, so the Z-rods were broken spears, depicted over the top of figure 8 shaped shields ("Double Disk" shape). In the manner of the Battersea Shield housed in the British Museum.
The "elephant" or "whale", to my mind is actually a stylised depiction of an intact animal hide (deer hide?). Which has undergone a certain amount of drying, as can be seen on the legs and the belly, which have curlicues carved into them, to indicate the curling of the skin as it dries. The curved line emanating from the top of the head - and tail, could well indicate a thong used to hang the hide while drying. The "Tuning Fork" and the rectangular shape, with often two curved extremities emanating from the corner of the rectangle both indicate (to my mind) iron razors for shaving the face. Archaeological examples of these can be found in various places, as can modern reproductions, and they follow on from the shape of bronze precedents. This interpretation partners other symbols, such as the Comb and Mirror, as implements of personal grooming.
I think the distribution of these symbols, and the extreme age of them (as symbols) which is evidenced by the high degree of stylisation the later carvings depict, leads me to conclude that they were in fact tribal symbols. In the manner of, say, Soccer badges. Which if correct would lead one to the conclusion that "The Picts" were in fact a CONFEDERATION of pre-Roman indigenous Brythonic speaking tribes, which had existed in Scotland since time immemorial. The inscription of a particular symbol (V-rod, Animal Skin, Z-rod, etc.) on a given stone being an indication of the "jurisdiction" and/or dedication to, which tribes the stone came under. Therefore a V-rod might symbolise the Novantae, and the Z-rod might symbolise the Selgovae (although those kingdoms were in the south west of Scotland - possibly the "Southern Pictland" of Bede). The more symbols within a given carved stone would indicate a greater number of "Pictish" tribes/kingdoms to whom the stone is dedicated. The fact that there are carved Pictish symbols at the gateway to Trusty's Hill in Dumfries and Galloway would indicate that there were indeed surviving "Southern Picts" who had not yet been superseded by later immigrant kingdoms. The presence of the Z-rod on this particular carved stone could thus indicate that the other symbol (a Carnyx) could well have been the tribal insignia of the Novantae, partnered with the Z-rod which would indicate the over-arching "Pictish" confederacy/Kingdom.
Al speculation, of course. But I believe this hypothesis to be in-line with currently known evidence.
Thank you so interesting
In Ireland ogham is not pronounced "og-ham" but more like "ohm." When certain sounds or letters are mixed they are often silent. The only reason say like "Tír ná nÓg" does not sound anglicised is because the fádas (áéíóú) etc let us know where the accent is. So in English it's supposed to sounds like "Teer naw Nogue"
braw video, cheers for sharing
I think the two connected Circles stand for two connected henges or stone circles- one for birth and the other death- connected by life...like Stone and Wood henge.
I have a theory that "the beast" which is supposed to be a mythical animal or beast is actually been drawn so many times that it's truer depiction is that of an animal which disappeared when the Ice age disappeared. I think it might be an ancient type of elephant that ploughed the snow to get at the herbage underneath, which disappeared long ago, but was drawn, and now t,he artists still depict it in distorted form. The "tusks" look like the long lips or mouth parts, and sometimes the ears, which might have been the ear, might have been much shorter in an elephant of which we have no remains now except in the Natural History museum from remains of animals in the old Thames which once was miles above where it is now. Cynthia Allen McLaglen
i believe it is in us to somehow record our events on stone or on youtune
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My grandmother told me the Zed rod was the fight of the sea eagle. Is that something you can comment on? I should add she also said it was carrying the sole to the afterlife.
fascinating
There are lines in the caves of the Dordogne also. Not many lines and they do not know what they mean, thought they may indicate the number of animals hunted.
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Wonder if some of these ogham inscriptions could be abbreviations? The Romans often abbreviated names on Latin stone inscriptions.
this guy spouts speculation as fact
the circular symbol looks more like a wagon or cart of some kind.
Perhaps a male and female couple and the number of offspring that survived and then died
The mysteries of history.... fascinating... only clues... with some ideas... some cross checked and confirmed... much unknown...
could it be the date?
they seem to agree with the symbols used,
The symbols have to represent a clan, and dyanstic clan lineage. And when they merge as 2 we see a marriage or union of 2 clans.
I also think that the signs originally stand for clans, or regions used as coats of arms, painted onto shields, or really tattoos - or they may have at first been the attributes of pagan gods. They then may have become part of a common repertory of signs used as decorations. The insciptions may have been added at a later date when writing became fashionable.
Daniel in the lions den not David. David slew Goliath the giant.
What does Ternon translate into?
It could come from Gaelic "Thighearna" or Brittonic "Tanew". St Teneu and St Ternon have connections to the same locality.
Just a thought: the V is connected to the harp; and the harp is said to be the covenant between god and man for his planet earth and for our civilisation.
How is IRATADDOARENS interpreted as eddern?
We know that many High Crosses were pulled down during the Reformation as reformers saw them as idolatrous. Is it possible this also happened to Pictish stones?
I belive the simbols are signes to travel to calculate and the word EDDARRNONN i thing it means EDDA LIVES or you can say the eda livs
Let's take this to 30,000 Ft: if I were going to carve a stone, why would I, and what would I say? I would probably carve an event, and definitely put a date or time of the year, maybe my name, or the name of the person relevant to the event.
I feel like these crescents and double disks are representing time. Months of a full moon/Earth relationship, and the crescent with the V 90 degree angle (or 45 degree angle - have never seen anything else except 90 and 45) are saying something about the time of the year. Has anyone explored that? some of the double discs have a notch out of them, sometimes there is no Z, and sometimes the Z is backwards. And I agree with the comment about the animals...zodiacs, again which represent time of the year.
Who is Alan Short?
The notch in the fire life meant the woman died in childbirth. The mirror is a brush and the comb is a comb. The horse died in battle
I am not sure how to spell it. I’ll try what is a Kirke? Would make a video on meanings of
Scottish words. It’s not related to your video but I don’t understand what fash or bern mean? I might be spelling them wrong . I heard words I’m shows like Outlander and I don’t understand the meanings of the words.
Also can expand on words like glen. Does it just mean river?
Is Wicca the same as a druid ?
I like your videos. I would like to know more samin and Halloween and Yule change to Christmas and about the pagan tree turning into a Christmas tree
Kirk is the older pronunciation of church. It's similar to how the names Charles and Karl are related.
@@maryanntaylor7818 Glen is a valley with a stream or minor river running through it. Glens are often named after the river such as Glen Dochart being named for the river Dochart. Wide valleys are straths rather than glens such as Strathclyde which has the Clyde river running through it.
Were the druids picts?
Is this yours, or did you steal it?
Sorry I don't understand your comment.
the CLASSIC adage: "Who came first, the Pictish sculptor, or the Northumbrian monk?"
Could be that that ternan is related to the Irish tiernan "chieftain"?
Taoiseach is more recognised as the Gaelige form for Chieftain, the Scots name Mackintosh is derived from the Gaelic Mac an Taoisí.
my thoughts also
Declan Mulligan thank you for the explanation.
they are the same word more or less it appears.
@@skyjuiceification It is possible that Saint Ternan's name comes from Gaelic "Thighearna" "Lord", but it could also come from Brittonic "Thanew", as in St Teneu (and interestingly, she and Ternan are both associated with the monastery at Culross).
My interpretation is very different. I'm going to suggest that the symbols express a knowledge of the Earth's rotation on its axis and the rotation of the earth and the magnosphere. It's not a great stretch of imagination to have had the knowledge as some south Americans were building calendars and such at around the same time. From an expression of seasonal changes and the scientific data of early time. My interpretation however has no reference excepting personal artistic impression.
Similar carved stones n henges found in Istanbul earlier builds n buildings (homes) were constructed the same layout as the wee hooses in the Orkneys ....
The fire life and the after life
You didn't talk about the holes that were drilled through many of the stones. Those are pretty thick stones, and it would have been a lot of work to make a hole through them. Why was it that important to the people?
The singular hole was mentioned in part 1 as probably being made to make it easier to move the stone with a crane. The hole goes through one of the hollow parts of the cross on one side but damages a Pictish symbol on the other. The stone with four holes corresponding to the hollow parts of the cross were probably made to highlight the cross.
Here is a tip. Go to that stone whete uou said its been partially deciphered, then take a landscape photo, then look at the photo and as you look spun5it slowly clockwise.
David and lion's den, you meant Daniel?
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Too bad they were moved!
Could Ogham be dates and not words?
Ogham script has been translated, check it out on the net. From memory each symbol has two or three meanings according to context, eg. The name of a type of tree or herb, a letter of the alphabet, or a word
@@christophersmith5691 But does their "translation" really make any sense.. a date would make way more sense and since it resembles latin numbers more than words, it seems probable that's what they are.
They cannot be dates, because ancient peoples almost never give dates as such in inscriptions. Even the Romans didn't and they have left us many inscriptions. Not even on coins, as we do. They dated by the name of the ruler, king, consul etc. As this programme suggested, the ogham letters probably give names, like the Vortpor stone in Wales, where most of the ogham inscriptions have been found. Quite likely they were tombstones as was the Vortpor stone (Latin and ogham) (they LOOK like gravestones) or perhaps territorial markers
@@christophersmith5691 You just believe everything you're told, huh?
I'm curious is any of the Pictish symbols are at all related to the Nordic runes.
Bran Maqq Morn was here first i see.
PIDARNOIN IS: "MODEST IN DEEDS IS MAN MOVING EDMIRABLY IN HUMANITY"
Thanks for the nice videos, very well put together. I think your start date for the Picts might be wrong by a thousand years or so, they were definitely in place before Christ. There is also no evidence they were conquered, and could well be the ancestors of our current highland population.
So much info has been lost, and it's hard to get context for the stones that have been moved, or where the surrounding homesteads are no longer there. One theory is that they are boundary markers, and the two symbols could mean X son of Y, or X of clan Y. Animals are often used as clan totems, and the beast may well represent the Unicorn or Kelpie. The Unicorn may represent royalty.
Or they could be ancient road signs, services 10 miles.
You will not find the answers in the historical record or from archeology. The only way you can ever know what those symbols mean is through the esoteric. All il say is philistine Means lovers of stone. In circles they're are hidden squares and in squares there are hidden circles. These people have the ancient knowledge of the builders and they proved it with there symbolism.
Matthew 7:24-26
Should he be touching the ancient stones? Human skin oils will stain.
It is not a woman. The head is recessed, it was male before. Probably Mary Magdaene given its location in the cemetery.
If I could, I would venture back through time and document the Picts from their beginnings and, possibly, the beginnings of those who were their forebears. My bloodlines come from Northumbria, Aberdeenshire and York, all places the Picts and their forebears were known to inhabit.
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I've just watched a documentary on Gobleki Tepe & the similarities on stone carvings/depictions is astounding even though it's a diff continent & thousands of yrs apart, supposedly.
IT IS NOT OTS... IT IS "O HIGH SURENITY, IT IS QUIET UNITY, UNITY OF MOTION, UNITED TREE, O HIGH, QUIET DEED OF GOD"
Seems a lot of excess carving for a simple name. Could have got by with EDRN or DDRNN.
Please don’t put your hands on these old stones. The friction of your touch and the oil in your hands can gradually wear away these ancient monuments.
Revelation 21:1,2 this prophecy is about to be fulfilled. In the land you are in now.
total speculation ternon edarnon a language created from what are genealogical or whakapapa stories from which you specu-create Pictish people well yous are all maori in our ancient stories we talk about sending people to those isles as it was bare of people at the time we sent Puhi to bring a peoples forth that is who pictish people are cuzzie
I have studied some of this and what i think might sound nuts just look into it. The Picts where one of the lost 12 tribes of Hebrews that traveled thru the Caucus mountains looking for new lands to settle.
I don't believe the "mirror and comb" a mirror and comb.
What are they?
I don't know.
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Picts are Iberians
Wrong. Daniel not David in the lions den, :And The raven feeds Elijah. Nothing to do with the Papist cannibalizes of a Jewish Sader.
Gah! The music is unnerving.
Count the symbols I keep counting 10 and 12 one for each lost tribe of Israel.
The standing stones and grave stones are Our tradition as a people starting with Moses and Joshua.
More is being revieled in these days as We uncover Our Identity those who have coveted Our Identity and Birthright continue to hide the truth but will not succeed.