Let's Talk Celestion... Is It worth Upgrading the Speaker on Your BOSS Katana?
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- Tired of hearing the same old amp sounds? Have you ever considered upgrading the speaker?
The Captain & Danish Pete run through the ultimate Celestion Speaker shootout, testing out once & for all if changing your amplifier speaker really make a difference? ➡️ tinyurl.com/yxrvuqh5
» Celestion 90W 8ohm Alnico Cream Speaker | tinyurl.com/y3jfattv
» Celestion 60W 8ohm Vintage 30 Speaker | tinyurl.com/y6gphsxc
» Celestion 250W 8ohm Neo 250 Copperback Speaker | tinyurl.com/y43gxe2y
» Celestion 75W 8ohm G12-H Creamback Speaker | tinyurl.com/y455r9rr
» Celestion T3585 8ohm G12K-100 Speaker | tinyurl.com/yxaf7jqr
» Celestion 60W 8ohm G12 Neo Creamback Speaker | tinyurl.com/yxftyt7n
» Celestion G12 Classic Lead 80 Speaker | tinyurl.com/yxs7o9hj
» BOSS Katana 100 MkII 1x12 Guitar Amp | tinyurl.com/y4v3dodg
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With a large selection of Celestion Speakers & two BOSS Katana MkII amplifiers. Can The Captain & Danish Pet guess which speaker is which in a blindfold test? Starting from £99 for the popular Vintage 30 & ranging to over £200 for Celestion's Alnico Cream Speaker. The guys run through the perks & cons of swapping out your amplifier speaker along with quick installation demo from our very own Pete Honoré.
With a clean & gain demo on each, will the guys be able to answer the question. Is it worth upgrading the speaker on your BOSS Katana?
↪️ Episode Guide ↩️
» 0:00 Let's Talk Amplifier Speakers
» 4:10 How to Change a Guitar Amp Speaker?
» 14:08 Vintage 30 Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 17:32 Vintage 30 Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 22:07 Was Pete Right?
» 23:05 Neo Copperback Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 25:00 Neo Copperback Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 31:05 Guess Which is Which?
» 31:25 G12-H Creamback Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 34:06 G12-H Creamback Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 40:17 Can you Guess the Celestion Speaker?
» 42:30 G12-K Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 44:46 G12-K Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 51:16 Let's Find the Celestion Speaker
» 52:50 G12 Neo Creamback Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 54:39 G12 Neo Creamback Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 59:00 Did you Guess Right?
» 1:02:34 G12 Classic Lead 80 Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 1:03:48 G12 Classic Lead 80 Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 1:09:32 Celestion or Katana?
» 1:10:10 Alnico Cream Speaker Vs BOSS Katana Clean
» 1:14:36 Alnico Cream Speaker Vs BOSS Katana Gain
» 1:20:00 Conclusion
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Hey guys! Just received my Katana mkii. Think I've watched that video a thousand times already 😂 with the katana's editor you can set the global EQ in the same frequency range as the Celestions. Pretty interesting results... No more harshness. 😁👍
Just watched this as I'm definitely contemplating the katana. Would be really interesting to see you swap the stock speaker for the WAZA siesker, to see how much difference that makes? 🤘🤘
What power of celestion did you use? 100W?
Celestion has a more rounded top end, but the katana speaker after broken in aouds a ok. The cone is stiff literally compared to other speaker's.
Hi all, Lee here. I just wanted to add that the differences through the mics are quite a bit more pronounced than they were in the room. So when we’re saying “hmmm, not much difference there”, and yet you hear a big difference in the video, that’s why! Well done to anyone that watches start to finish - it’s a long one! Took about 5-6 hours to film too 😬
The stock speaker sounds like a practice amp compared to the celestion V30. Far too bright and thin. The Neo celestion must be to somebody’s taste but it’s not to mine.
Watched it through, seems a creamback is a fair upgrade if you are gigging but in many of the gigs im using the line out and since i usually play small venues an upgrade didnt seem necessary to me ..funny though, my katana 100 is much heavier than my ac10
This is a GREAT informative video. And after so many shorter videos lately, the longer form was welcome.
Great effort on this vid. I didn't hear any that would make me run out and upgrade right away. I would be more inclined to upgrade to the Katana Artist. A comparison with it's speaker would be interesting.
Thanks guys
Does Lee realize how good of a host he is? I watch Andertons more than actual television.
Is there still television?😁
its pretty good without rob shredding the same 10 licks 10,000 times a video and generally being an idiot
But....it's playing on my TV......
Seeing the production grow over time has been a real treat.
The Andertons is a great realityshow ! :) Love the Captain and Rob stuff the most, but lately really starting to like Rabea and Pete to :)
The Blindfold stuff is my personal favorits, and this kind of was :)
I think Boss did a good job voicing their stock speaker with the amp, and I agree with your conclusion that in most cases I wouldn't bother changing the speaker. What I would like to hear now is the stock Katana speaker vs the Waza version.
The waza craft seemed to lend itself better to heavier tones for my ears. I think standard speaker for blues and early rock, waza for early metal to glamrock or grunge, and a vintage 30 for the super heavy Saturated tones of metalcore or nu metal.
Did you watch the video? Even from a yt video and the fact we aren’t in the room, the difference was very noticeable!
The Katana is such an incredible amp!
No it isn’t.
@@orgasmicdave Yet is tisnt
@@theguitarclubonline great, glad we’re on the same page
Just got a 50. Mindblowing.
@@orgasmicdave You're nuts, of course it's an amazing amp. Anyone that says otherwise is just wrong.
It's just struck me how funny it is that the BBC or whoever can spend millions of pounds on an hour's worth of entertainment, but two blokes in a UA-cam video can make something just as engrossing for -- I would confidently assume -- quite a lot less than that.
I mean in terms of youtube videos this is really high production value. Recording equipment, multiple cameras, dedicated employees for filming and editing, lighting, and the actual music equipment itself (which they're only getting access to because they are a relatively high volume music store). What makes them entertaining is the personalities and the ideas behind the format but the money put behind it, which is not an insignificant amount, lets that come through unimpeded.
That's because you happened to like guitars and guitar related tech/gear. Producing something for a wide audience is a whole different ball game. Take Top Gear for instance, people who aren't necessarily car fanatics watch that as well.
Just strikes me as funny most BBC shows have a budget probably pretty similar to the price of everything in the Anderton's video shooting studio
One hundred percent of my entertainment video is youtube now. I never watch legacy TV.
@@fergar0206 yeah, editing costs, bút Rory is priceless :-)
an hour and a half video from andertons? today's gonna be a good day
A perfect finish to a Tuesday afternoon...
Wife: What is this about?
Me: Comparing different speakers....
Wife: My god...for an hour and a half?!?
Shakes head walks off
whatever....I learned stuff today
Im watching this 1AM in my balcony while the wife sleeps. At some point she'll walk to the living room, grill at me, and walk away.
Just had the same response. 🙄
Man, you all need some new wives.
Wives run the same software! Only the hardware is different!!! :)
Perfect. Safe to say she would prefer you watching the comparison than buying speakers to run your own test. “What is this about” vs “ what is this Anderton’s charge all about?”
Love andertons for its honesty! I know stock being fine is not the greatest conclusion from a business standpoint, but appreciate the honesty! Great to hear honesty! Makes andertons a trusty resource.
The Katana has a speaker tweaked to sound good at low volume for home use, the Celestian speakers are much more focused sound in the mid range to be played loud and live
it doubles as acoustic guitar too, so it needs to have higher and mora flat frequency range
Studio use, too. In isolation the extended high end might sound ‘better’ in the Katana speaker, but in a mix that harsh top end would just be fighting the cymbals and vocals and would make the whole guitar tone sound shrill.
I use V30s, Blues and Greenbacks almost every day in the studio and they tend to sound much brighter and more present than they do in this demo. Considering the Katana can do acoustic sounds, I assume the speaker is more full range than a typical guitar speaker so the amp tones might actually be filtered to accomodate for that. Either that or the tones were dialed in on the Katana speaker and were set dark to balance the high end of the Katana speaker.
I can't imagine many people are buying the 100w version for home use.
@@BarrySW19 of course we are, because it has more features that the 50 and still has the .5 watts
@@MrRafaztar Yep, and you only use the GA-FC footswitch with the 100, not the 50.
Comparing speaker to speaker is something most of us guitar players just can't do money wise or time wise. Thank you for taking the time to do that. Very informative
When I suggested a speaker shoot out on Lee. He answered: that is too niche for us.
I have been waiting for this video for more than a year!
Thanks Andertons
niche
@@wbfaulk niche = fringe.
Biggest thing I learned is that while Boss doesn’t use a top top quality speaker, they certainly put a decent one that’s good for a lot of tones in their amps.
BOSS uses flat response speaker, because that amp already produces ready to use sound, there is no need to cook further it with "guitar specific" speaker. The rule is simple what comes from valve amp goes to guitar cabinet, and then through the mic goes to mixer console and then to FRFR, what comes from digital stuff and should go directly to mixer console goes to it and then to FRFR speakers(full range flat response). Essentially this video shows that we should understand a difference between speakers that play music(stock one, those in your car, inside your tv or whatever) and speakers used to produce music(guitar speakers). Katana sound is already complete, so they use flat response wide range speaker, but you'll gonna feel sorry, if you try to play good old guitar amp through katana speaker, which does not affect sound frequencies greatly by itself.
Yeah boss gets a lot of shit from the boutique crowd but they always made legit products. The katana series amps blew my mind as a guitar teacher, they can do pretty much anything a non-professional would need.
Андрей Дементьев good observation, thats why I don’t really get why a katana was used
@@TheKnutselaar pretty sure the point was to take a very versatile but affordable amp and see if it could be upgraded to sound more high end.
@@falcongunner33 tractor wheels would not make your camry more hi-end, lol. But they managed to illustrate that the speakers could be very different, and for different purposes, and the fact that the EQ matters)
And my Katana is staying stock! haha. This was an awesome video. Definitely heard some sounds from the Celestions here and there that I liked more, but the stock speaker can do almost everything pretty dang good!
Yup I have Katana 100 MKII and it is INSANE. And the video just for me is just proving that there is no reason for me to change the speaker.
Yep a complete waste of time really , I swapped it out for a celestion 90 / Mesa boogie black shadow. Made the little Katana really heavy in the process of not improving it significantly. Does very slightly tame a little top end bite but that isn’t always a good thing
I came in here to say the same thing. What I learned in this video is that I don't need to change my Katana's speaker.
@@jayjayftw07 I have the same amp, it's amazing!!! I don't think I'll be interested in buying another amp for a very long time.
Whole heartily agree, I think Boss nailed this speaker design right to match what it is intended for the for Kat series to do.
I think Boss did a great Job. If Boss wanted a Celestion, then they would’ve contacted celestion deign team to design for the Boss Kat.
The ultimate conclusion from this exercise is that Anderton's road-worn Strat sounds awesome!
I would say the ultimate conclusion is that Pete is an amazing guitarist! Haha
Now I know why people love strats.😊👌
Sounds like a strat.
I have that exact amp and I prefer clean tones, so I'm thrilled by the results! I also really appreciate that they gave their honest opinions even though, as Lee acknowledged, it would be better for business if the Celestions were clear winners. I'm sure a reputation for being honest and unbiased is better for business in the long run
Very true, but if you like to play heavy metal, you know that celestion is definitely the way to go
@@danielhunter8008 The Celestion hype, particularly the V30 hype, is starting to die down. Finally, it's time to put that damn thing to rest lol. Personally, I've been digging the Reaper and the DV77 over most Celestion speakers.
@@kernelxsanders honestly, any speaker that pushes more mid-range is better. The stock katana speakers come off scooped. Good for cleans and leads but they fall short when it comes to thick, saturated distortion.
@@danielhunter8008yeah. I have two Kats and they are a bit scooped like you said. But with the it’s Tone Studio’s global eq (which is easy to use, great, and set and forget) you can dial in plenty of mids. I find it much easier to get good mids from a scooped tone than starting with a mid heavy set up and going the other way. Much easier to eq out highs and lows and bump the mids and raise the volume than the other way around.
You've just demonstrated how good the Katana speaker is. No upgrade needed. The rest can be achieved through EQ and cab sim with the BTS. Thank you guys, love watching your videos
What is a BTS
@@WormholeNavigator Boss Tone Studio
Holy smokes, I can't believe I watched the whole thing. I'm with you guys, though. Katana sounds remarkable while clean. A distorted Celestion is like a nice, warm hug.
But I would be totally satisfied with a stock Katana. What a great value.
Lord almighty, 1.5 hours of blessed guitar content. You love to see it♥️
Perfect for a Tuesday afternoon! 😉
I love this type of content! This type of content can set you guys way apart from other music stores. Well done!
Really enjoyed how thorough this video was and I appreciate all the hard work you folks put into each and every video!
I absolutely Love what Lee and Pete do for us... the music and specifically the guitar players of All countries. This is a classic and prime example of what we all need, since most can't just go out and purchase every Amp head, cabinet, pedal and as shown here SPEAKERS! Thank you ,Thank You, thank you, from a friend from across the big pond here in America.
Just got a Katana 100 combo. Haven’t finished the video yet but it already sounds great.
Let us know if you decide to upgrade the speaker... 😉
I bought my Katana 100w combo(single speaker) back in February, This is amazing, but overwhelming for me at times.
Definitely buy the USB cable for it, so you can change the stuff to better suit your playing.
@@travistoole agreed on the usb cable but only once you are comfortable with the amp. I also got choice paralysis when I got my katana. I immediately jumped into the program on the computer and ended up trying out patches instead of playing. It has great stuff built in, once you have gotten it how you like it with the factory stuff, THEN jump on the computer and change the pedals and settings to make it even more of your personal Katana
I've had my Katana 100 for ten months and it keeps sounding better by itself . I'd just save your money for a botique amp .
Thank you for taking the time to make this amazing video! 🙏🏻 This has to be one of the best in speaker comparisons....plus it showcases the amazing tone of that sweet Stratocaster! ❤️
Cheers from the states! 🇺🇲
One of your best videos. I enjoyed hearing the differences in the speakers.
This must’ve been a ton of work to do, so thank you very much for doing it!!
This is an amazing video! Very good because this helps to really educate people about this that is often overlook, and very important part of the tone.
Thanks for tuning in... We're glad you enjoyed the video!
OMG! I haven't even seen this one yet. But this is next level effort. Thank you guys so much for your hard work in advance! You are really answering big questions for many guitar players, Katana users or not. Keep it up!
Lee and Pete are now masters of presentation,I love these vids 😎👍
I made a whole series on this a few years ago, and it does make a huge difference!
It’s cause the speaker actually moves the air! More cabs vs more heads... cabs give greater variety of flavor 🤘🏽
This is actually a really good comparison of different speakers. I wish there were more videos of objective gear comparisons like this, it takes out the guess work.
What a great vid, it’s a breath of fresh air. I look forward to the next ones!
Fascinating demo guys. Didn’t end the way I presumed. Good info for upgraders.
I appreciate the hard work it takes to do a video like this. I think you can't really go wrong with the stock speaker, especially as the builders used that speaker to tune all the different amp models and it sounds pretty good on every one.
One of the best documentaries I've ever watched. Great movie!!
I can't tell you how much I enjoy these videos, thank you guys for taking the time and effort on doing these videos, 'cause you know most of the people can't afford to buy all of those speakers and do this experiment so therefore we would never know! If it wasn't for you guys, thank you once again, you guys are awesome!
Awesome video! Such great and valuable content! Thank you guys so much for educating those of us who cannot simply go and test that many speakers. Very, very much appreciated!
This was a really informative video. Great job guys. We appreciate the effort you guys put into your videos. Keep up the good work.
I loved the sound of the Creamback. But I think I’m going to stick to the stock speaker for now cauz I usually just play at home at 0.5w setting.
Absolutely brilliant video! I was using a vox for many years with greenbacks, broke my back carrying it around. Recently simplified my rig with a mk 2 katana 212, so very relevant to me
Super content! Most people don't have the luxury of trying out different speakers in their amps, so this is a really valuable comparison. Would love to see the Blackstar Venue series next!
Awesome video idea guys. Thank you for the hard work going into it!
For future reference after you unplug the amp, turn it on. Turning it on while unplugged will dissipate any energy still stored in the amp's circuits. This will work for all electronics that do not use capacitors. Warning... Some capacitors can store enough energy to kill you, even after many years.
Good advice 👍
Here's a tip if you find your Katana to be really harsh sounding with the original speaker.
Go into the Tone Studio.
Set Cabinet resonance to "Vintage"
Go to the EQ section, select GE-10, position: AMP OUT.
31 Hz: -12dB
2k Hz: -1dB
4k Hz: -3dB
8k Hz: -1,5dB
16k Hz: -12dB
Turn on EQ and write to panel.
If you have the 50, the you might want to play with the presence knob as well.
This worked well for my 100 mkII, if this does not do it for you then a Vintage 30 sounds great in it.
Most fun I've had watching these comparison videos! Thank you!
Such a great watch! I never stay this long on a video. Totally worth it
Great video guys! For those of us that have been buying gear for decades: Tweaking the gear we have is a fun pathway to keep things fresh!
We're glad you enjoyed the video... Loads more amps to follow!
Johan Segeborn's channel's a great resource for diving into the art and science of speaker changing and its effect on tone.
Man does that guy have an insane gear collection and not afraid to put the amps up to 11.
@@brianbeyea7052 Yep! And then the following video he takes a junky solid state amp from the 90s and make it sound awesome as well!
Such a lovely and informative video. Thanks Lee and Pete!
Thank you and your team for helping put together such a thorough video!!! Amazing result amazing play back man.!! Katana has such a huge community and this is soemthing we have discussed amongst ourselves on message boards and you guys too the time to really go through speakers. Now I’m thinking about taking the 2x12 and using a v30 and a creamb mix! Such a huge difference. !!
I have three Katanas including the Artist. This video has me keeping them all stock because if the boys at Anderson’s have to think this hard about the differences then I have no chance. Great video..👍🇦🇺
Watching this, and seeing that your expectations that Celestion would be better, thus influencing us to buy may not have been convincing is refreshing. Your honest opinion is refreshing. Your credibility just went up 100 points.
This was probably one of the most informative and great episodes of Andertons that I've ever seen. 👏 I don't comment often but this was great
I love the unrehearsed video with unbiased real results. Awesome video - Dave Simpson loves his Katana and looks like for good reason.
I think in comparing the katana speaker to a bunch of Celestion speakers and having so much Ums and Ahs shows what a fab job Boss did. Also worth noting that in some cases Lee played around with the Celestion settings to get Pete’s preferred sound but the same could have been done on the katana speaker to dial it in to preference. Great job guys and with such a long session to stay on point and be as dialled in at the end as the beginning is great. Thanks
How to tell Lee is the boss: Just sits back and watches Pete work while sipping his coffee.
Come on, let’s be honest.... It’s probably tea and not coffee...
Loved this video; really made me appreciate how much the speaker makes a difference! Great job guys!
I do love this show, pretty awesome knowledge about all the things we ask ourselves, my hat's off in respect for you guys. Great job!
This is pretty unbelievable timing here. I have just obtained 4 Celestion G12EVH speakers and have been considering swapping some speakers in my combo amps and cabs.
You guys are so cool. I hope to visit your shop one day. Cheers from Lille, France
I'm ALL FOR this idea. Thank you for doing this!
Great content as always. Thank you! This was delightful and informative.
You've just turned the Boss Katana speaker into a collector's item. I'm on the hunt already, would be great for a Fender Deluxe or Fender Blues Deluxe. Nice work, guys!
Do you using the katana head with the fenders or the speakers from katana in to the fenders?
@@boabglen Was wanting to try the Katana speaker only, but in the two years since my comment I have never seen one for sale over here in the Australian gulag.
Great video comparison. Definitely would like to also see a speaker comparison in the Marshall DSL40CR.
Marshall DSL40 would be a great shout! We will see what we can do! 😉
@@andertons Katana was a bad choice since it's not really intended to have its own voice; the speaker is probably voiced pretty clean and flat to allow the amp and associated tone tomfoolery to do all the heavy lifting. Putting a speaker with a particular voice in it is too many layers.
Really... THANK YOU so much guys! Going "down the Rabbit hole" has never been so much fun.. watching all your shoot outs kept me well entertained AND informed during Covid.. I learned a lot. so thank you. All the best from Down Under 🇦🇺🍺 Oh... and GREAT PLAYING PETE!
This is the best Andertons video of 2020 so far 👍🏼, thank you so much for the very informative comparison.
Video was too short...
We will include Pete fitting each one of the speakers next time...
@@andertons Can't wait :)...
That was part one of a 26 part series. Part 2 is “If I plug a boost pedal’s output into its own input, will I create a black hole?” BBC 4
I think Pete hit the nail on the head when he suggested that Boss had made sensible compromises to make the Katana sound good at home friendly levels. I'm not sure that any of the substitutes justify the extra expense
Genuinely awesome video!! Definitely looking forward to the tube amp video...
Probably the most interesting video I’ve seen for a long time!
awaited for this one since seen the werk photos on Pete's instagram :D
A speaker needs to break in. It will sound way more loose and less stiff, the highs will be less piercing. Hard to judge a speaker on its first few minutes making sound
Wait, this is actually a thing? I've never heard of this before.
@@LunaticTheCat yep
@@LunaticTheCat There is a membrane in speakers that becomes more flexible after 'breaking in' and enables to vibrate better which improves the sound. I found this out when buying my headphones. Some people buy recordings of different frequencies and play them constantly for hours on end to break the speakers (for headphones) in quicker. Strange but true.
@@owentuckett938 The quality increase is pretty negligible
Yep waste of time if the speakers were not broken in , when I first took my new cream backs out to gig they were lacking bass and mids big time
thanks for the effort you took to make this video and your honesty. It was tremendously helpful :)
"480 vs 1080P " PERFECT! yep exactly. One of my favorite videos of this type - of all time! thanks!
Loved this video and the concept. I guess i never considered the speaker to be such an important component in a rig. Would've been amazing tho if they would've included the waza katana speaker for one last wild card lol.
I have been contemplating upgrading my speaker in my MkII 100 so this was quite informative for me. Although Celestion was not the way I was thinking of going as for me they are more associated with valve amp sounds. I'd really love to see you do the same thing with the Eminence range as they are arguably the best solid state amp speaker (through popular opinion)on the market.
Yes I've heard that too I was considered the swamp thing
You were considered the swamp thing? Since you were considered, did you actually become the swamp thing, then?
I love swamp thing 2 lol
Great job lads, brilliant watch. Just shows how good a job Boss have done with their speaker. I have a Katana 50 MK1 and I absolutely love it for home use.
Thanks, you guys are great. Yesterday it changed to Katana mkII 100 and I used an old Celestion Cream that I had and now I have a new amp, much better ... what a change ... I thought to sell it but now I will keep it to enjoy it. Thank you very much for the demo.
Thanks cap' & pete, now i have to upgrade :')
Thanks for this huge comparison thingy! The Katana is a good example how the manufacturer tweaks the amp (EQ) to the speaker + cabinet, especially on a modelling amp this an easy way to build good sounding amps with cheap speakers. On a valve amp the biggest difference comes from the power valve + output transformer, which interact with the speakers impedance curve. The curve is dependant on the speaker cabinet (size, volume and so on) So always remind yourself every speaker sound different on every setup you are using.
This just made me believe that boss has developed quite an impressive speaker indeed.
@@aaronwest1259 they surely did. But thats the easiest way to get an excellent sound. The true heros are the old engineers back in the 50s who designed valve heads which had to interact with all the different speakers on the market.
@@punottedbumhucker3974 impedance matching ensures it will work. If the amp is good with a 4/8/16/whatever ohm reactive load, function isn’t a problem as long as the cabinet presents the correct nominal load to the amp. That’s no different between valve amps and solid state. The thing is determining how it will sound. There’s a reason that valve amps in particular sound very different when plugged into different cabs; it’s the combination of both the sound character of the speaker itself and, at least as importantly, how the output stage of the amp reacts with the impedance curve of the speaker/cab combo. Likewise the design of the cabinet and the manner in which the speakers in the cab are wired (series/parallel, series or parallel) will change the impedance curve and the amp reaction even with the same speakers.
@@helotaxi maybe its the lack of my english skills but that’s pretty exactly the same thing i wanted to say. Thats is one reason why real audio/hifi amps with tubes are so difficult to design and inferior to transistor amps if you are looking for flat frequency response.
Great video as always gents. Hats off to the Boss engineers. Their speakers really stood up to the top speaker manufacturer out there. It would be interesting to see a similar video with the Blues Junior or other popular amps.
Luv you guys been watching 5 years now great demos and usefull
The creambacks made the amp go from good to really good. I'm Marshall biased for sure, but the Katana stock speakers have that fizz/papery harsh sound when on overdrive. I totally agree with you on that. So to me a swap is a no brainer.
Is THAT what that sound is??? It's been driving me crazy for so long, I had never considered the speaker.
"Grainy" is exactly how I describe the katana distortion sound too. The top end sounds like square-clipping, like a microphone running out of headroom or like low bitrate artifacts. Whereas other amps/speakers have "sweeter" high end and clip it more roundly.
Or a solid state or amp or preamp running out of headroom. There’s a reason that you want to keep solid state gain sections in their linear range. They generally sound like trash once they start to clip. Tubes are awesome for creating music because of how they sound under clipping. Solid state more accurately reproduce what they’re fed while tubes add to the signal ambient in a pleasant way and one that’s desirable for a musician. That’s the main reason for a tube preamp in front of a, relatively compared to its tube counterpart, powerful power section in hybrid amps. Drive the preamp to clipping to get the warm, tube sound but get the output desired from the power section while remaining linear.
What I and others tend to do is not roll off the treble on the guitar and we get gritty distortion. Try rolling back the treble like Santana does to get that Phat Velevet smooth thing.
Great video and thank you for taking the time, I've watched it through and it was well worth it !
Personnally I have a Celestion V-Type and it's amazing in my Orange 112, you should definitely add it to the roster or replace the G12K or Lead 80 with it. Also, on my Katana 50 I always run the gain tones with the treble rolled down and the tones gets much better, which confirms what Pete was saying about the brittleness of the stock speaker with gain tones.
Great video guys thanks! You made me a happy boy, I'm about to buy the 100 and I'm so pleased to hear your conclusions as I'm more mellow than metal, cheers!
I was waiting for this video because I really thought I'd be changing my speaker.. but as a primarily clean to mild gain player, I think I'm just as well off to stick with what I've got. I could go with a Neo cream back to lighten it up because through the mic the difference was almost nil.
BOSS really nailed their speaker, though I'd have liked to hear it against a Gold.
Side note. Would have been nice to know what speakers were in the cab at the beginning since I was taking notes.
I do agree that the clean sound is where the Boss speaker really shines. And even though I do somewhat prefer the Celestions with dirt, I'd say - IMHO - the amp's EQ is tweakable enough to compensate for the difference. If nothing else, this video shows just how good the stock speaker in the Katana really is.
What a great idea for a video! I'm just getting to it now. Thank you very much, Andertons! (Lee, Pete and the crew)
What a great comparison video. Good job 👏👏👏
This video demonstrates de great value of the Katana, that has been equipped with a quality speaker that has subtle differences in sound with a more expensive celestion. I Think it's not worth changing it, only if you are seaching for a specific sound. For a wide variety of sounds i think the Katana speaker is ok. Pete's playing is awesome.
Yes. If you have a specific sound in mind, otherwise leave it alone
Nine out of ten movies that come out now, I leave thinking they could’ve been half an hour shorter... I could’ve watched this for twice as long... Anderton’s TV as brought to you by Ridley Scott...
This is the perfect video for today. Just what I needed for some reason.
What a great video. Super informative and well done. Would be interesting to see this with at least a 2x cabinet. Boss really did do a pretty good job with making the speaker for its amp.
WOW ... this is a revealing demo:
- direct comparison
- done with AB-ing
- different gain settings
Great!
What else? Hm, maybe you could do one for us 10" speaker addicts ...
So, thank you very much guys, great job!
I concurr I gave up on the gain sounds within a month and went back to pedals
Thanks for such a comprehensive comparison video! Listening through Sennheiser headphones the Creamback sounds awesome in the Katana!
Awesome video! My Katana is staying stock now for sure!
I would like to see a video using the Marshall DSL 20. Thinking of doing a speaker upgrade on mine.
Probably worth it. IIRC the stock speaker is a 70/80 or something, same as was in my old Blackstar HT-60. Swapped it out for a V30, and... it was kind of like the amp actually woke up.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Stock speaker is a 70/80. I'm thinking a Celestion G12H Creamback would work best for me.
Crap Tacular I heard 70/80 speakers are not good for metal?
@@Tiresmoke7 It's all about what works best for you. It maybe didn't come across too well, but what I really meant was that the 70/80 is a solidly mediocre speaker. It's not terrible, but it doesn't do any single thing well, either.
Does the 40w version has the same speaker? Can’t find info. It only say Celestine v type speaker
Could you guys do one of the se videos with a blues junior please?
This makes me want to use my SM7b to mic my amp now. It sounds damn good. I'm usually an SM57 guy. Great vid, guys! Thanks for going through all the work for our sakes!