Wouldn’t Vincent/Ergo be Jesus and Proxy One be more the god of the Old Testament? With Proxy One being a vengeful god who wants to wipe out his creations because of suffering, and his son (clone) Ergo living a human experience and choosing to save them
Great video to introduce people on the ideas of gnosticism! It is Incredible how deep animes go. I have some thoughts to share that complements some things and distinguishes others that could confuse some people: 1- Although scholars commonly say that Gnosticism started with the early church as a theological corpus of interpretation on the Evangelium I see it as an instantiation and evolution of a believe system that precedes Christianity at least a couple of centuries. 2- Since the Early Church to this day the vast majority of the Christendom (and outside it, Hebrews in this matter too) considers Gnosticism as heresy mainly because it preaches that creation itself is evil and that the Telos towards the good is the destruction of this universe, where differentiation occurs, to again reunite in unity with "The One" 3- Proxy One as a Jesus figure is troubling to me. Sure, the "Jesus of Destruction" of the Gnosticism could be a fitting description but I believe it ends there, even inside its sect teachings it fails as a savior, he doesn't give a "transcendent way out" for his creation only chaos. For the traditional Jesus I think it's almost impossible to draw similarities, the savior of the poor and the unfortunate with an elitist and hidden knowledge don't go well. Plus note: it's funny how Gnosticism can be seen as the flip side of the same coin where Trans-humanism lies. As in Ergo Proxy, to ultimately fight against Gnon (Nature or Nature’s God), like gods they create gardens under domes.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment and further elaboration! As far as my likening of Ergo Proxy to Gnostic Jesus, I agree 100% he didn't offer a transcendent way out, but he did offer gnosis in the form of acknowledging that everyone on Earth were children of the demiurge (true humans). It may seem like a shallow comparison at first glance since that's not really salvation, but at least in the end, Ergo Proxy orchestrates his defiance against Saklas. So though he's not a true analog to Jesus, he's still playing one of Jesus' roles in sethian gnostic scripture. Anyway, those are my two cents. Thanks again for such a thoughtful comment :)
This is so good! No point agreeing or disagreeing when a take is presented this well. Ergo Proxy is so bonkers ;DDD You NEED Gnosticism to understand what is even going on! And even then it's a 50/50 kinda deal.
Good job the there was a reason however why the early church condemn the Gnosis view of Christianity because in the orthodox view on salvation is through doing the will of the father which is to honor the son the same way you honor the father. It was because the Original Sinner (Lucifer) Was responsible for the fall of man. where man can give in to Sin. And because of this God command that the Hebrews can shed the blood of an animal to COVER the Sin BUT NOT washing it away. All those Animal sacrifices all lead to the messiah which is the Eternal Son who became Flesh to die on the cross Hebrews 9:22 without the shedding of blood there is no atonement or forgiveness of sins. But since God's value is infinite he can save EVERYONE and wash away the Sin, and not just one person looking knowledge (Elite) Philippians 3:8-14. The New Testament was God's Ideal to save everyone but for this to happen God found Abraham the father of the faith who did not want to worship idols in Mesopotamia in Ur of the Chaldees. God made sure that Abraham's descendances will have kingdom and a temple that other nations will have interest in Isreal for other nations gentiles will be saved. God in the bible did not make the world or matter evil or dirty in contrast to Gnosis where a God in the Old testament made the world matter Evil or Dirty and that Jesus will find individuals a minority who seek knowledge the Elites basically. This video is a good take on gnosis like who are we, Why do we exist amazing how deep anime can be
Wouldn’t Vincent/Ergo be Jesus and Proxy One be more the god of the Old Testament? With Proxy One being a vengeful god who wants to wipe out his creations because of suffering, and his son (clone) Ergo living a human experience and choosing to save them
woah, the quality of this video is so good i was honestly chocked that this isnt popular! Wishing you lots of success fr
I'm glad you liked it :) And I appreciate your wishes!!! :D
Great video to introduce people on the ideas of gnosticism! It is Incredible how deep animes go.
I have some thoughts to share that complements some things and distinguishes others that could confuse some people:
1- Although scholars commonly say that Gnosticism started with the early church as a theological corpus of interpretation on the Evangelium I see it as an instantiation and evolution of a believe system that precedes Christianity at least a couple of centuries.
2- Since the Early Church to this day the vast majority of the Christendom (and outside it, Hebrews in this matter too) considers Gnosticism as heresy mainly because it preaches that creation itself is evil and that the Telos towards the good is the destruction of this universe, where differentiation occurs, to again reunite in unity with "The One"
3- Proxy One as a Jesus figure is troubling to me. Sure, the "Jesus of Destruction" of the Gnosticism could be a fitting description but I believe it ends there, even inside its sect teachings it fails as a savior, he doesn't give a "transcendent way out" for his creation only chaos. For the traditional Jesus I think it's almost impossible to draw similarities, the savior of the poor and the unfortunate with an elitist and hidden knowledge don't go well.
Plus note: it's funny how Gnosticism can be seen as the flip side of the same coin where Trans-humanism lies. As in Ergo Proxy, to ultimately fight against Gnon (Nature or Nature’s God), like gods they create gardens under domes.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment and further elaboration! As far as my likening of Ergo Proxy to Gnostic Jesus, I agree 100% he didn't offer a transcendent way out, but he did offer gnosis in the form of acknowledging that everyone on Earth were children of the demiurge (true humans). It may seem like a shallow comparison at first glance since that's not really salvation, but at least in the end, Ergo Proxy orchestrates his defiance against Saklas. So though he's not a true analog to Jesus, he's still playing one of Jesus' roles in sethian gnostic scripture.
Anyway, those are my two cents. Thanks again for such a thoughtful comment :)
@@tonyfunk My pleasure. Keep blessing us with your videos.
@@guilhermojohanness8953 Thanks again, and will do! 🫡
This is so good! No point agreeing or disagreeing when a take is presented this well.
Ergo Proxy is so bonkers ;DDD You NEED Gnosticism to understand what is even going on! And even then it's a 50/50 kinda deal.
This is fascinating. I haven't even watched or read Ergo Proxy but I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
I wish this show could be revived somehow
haven't watched the vid yet, but thank you for making a vid on this hidden gem (best anime of all time)
You're most welcome! I hope you enjoy it!!!!
Well done. Just finished the anime and found your take fascinating.
I appreciate the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it!!!!
jo did my dude study theology for this video. I study Theology and it took me a semester to learn this. Well made video I love it
Damn, this is a really good take.
Proxy is the best of your mums and dads in that order..
And all of your histories...
Good job the there was a reason however why the early church condemn the Gnosis view of Christianity because in the orthodox view on salvation is through doing the will of the father which is to honor the son the same way you honor the father. It was because the Original Sinner (Lucifer) Was responsible for the fall of man. where man can give in to Sin. And because of this God command that the Hebrews can shed the blood of an animal to COVER the Sin BUT NOT washing it away. All those Animal sacrifices all lead to the messiah which is the Eternal Son who became Flesh to die on the cross Hebrews 9:22 without the shedding of blood there is no atonement or forgiveness of sins. But since God's value is infinite he can save EVERYONE and wash away the Sin, and not just one person looking knowledge (Elite) Philippians 3:8-14. The New Testament was God's Ideal to save everyone but for this to happen God found Abraham the father of the faith who did not want to worship idols in Mesopotamia in Ur of the Chaldees. God made sure that Abraham's descendances will have kingdom and a temple that other nations will have interest in Isreal for other nations gentiles will be saved. God in the bible did not make the world or matter evil or dirty in contrast to Gnosis where a God in the Old testament made the world matter Evil or Dirty and that Jesus will find individuals a minority who seek knowledge the Elites basically. This video is a good take on gnosis like who are we, Why do we exist amazing how deep anime can be