Why the baseball diamond is a diamond
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Or at least a square turned all funny. Reaction video: / 83639955
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As a fellow not quite middle aged mustachioed man, I like the hat. Gives off a, "I want to support whatever my 4yo son's into" vibe.
That's a good vibe too!
Another 38 yo mustachioed father to 4yo here to support as well.
Reminds me of Norm MacDonald on his old internet show.
45yo mustachioed all the way middle aged man here to offer support as well
At least make him play English baseball.
Its definitely a safe space Phil. You channel, your rules. 😂Don't get me wrong, all you videos are great, but this one made me chuckle more than the others.
I also chuckled more with this video.
I never asked why it’s a diamond, but I am glad you answered it Phil.
I love that your clone’s dying wish was to finish the video that he starred in for less than 30 seconds probably. ❤
he will not be forgotten (for a few minutes at least)
It started with the Pentagon, then the Oval, now here comes the Diamond.
The Phil Edwards Shapes Cinematic Universe is expanding!
the SCU needs more ideas now before we start rebooting things
Just read a fascinating article about the history of the baseball cap earlier this week, this video was the icing to that cake! Thanks again for your great content.
"Where Everybody Knows Your Variant of Baseball" is such a catchy tune. 😏
Shouts to Phil doing well enough that he can rent out Yankee stadium for a video. Famous and wealthy. I'm proud and happy for you Phil
it's a privilege to work with the yankees operation
Interesting. As a kid, I always assumed that the diamond shape had something to do with the odds of where the ball would end up after being hit. (It’s pretty uncommon for the batter to hit the ball 90 or 270 degrees from the home plate, so having the infield include that area would be wasted space.)
Genuinely, a video on the history and origin of the stylised "heart" shape ♥️ would be pretty cool.
Another addition to the ongoing series: "Why X is the shape it is" lmao
Keep it up, one day i will learn ALL of my shapes and i will be unstoppable against the rest of the kindergarteners 😈
watch out timmy!
Who's Timmy?
@@ryanortega1511 the kindergartener who needs to watch out for onjits unconquerable knowledge of shapery
Jesus Christ, man, what he do?
Weird little fact, there is a small town in Ontario Canada called Beachville which claims to have the first recorded baseball game played in 1838. "Played on a square field in a pasture"
Jane Austen mentions a game of "base ball" in her novel "Northanger Abbey". It was started in the late 18th century and finished in 1803 but not published till after her death in 1817. There is substantial evidence of "base ball" being played in England during the 18th century. How this might be related to rounders or American baseball I have no clue but it is intriguing.
Likely an uncodified early form of the game, similar to how pretty much every town had its own rules for football until the mid nineteenth century when the public schools (in the British sense, IE elite private schools) started codifying them. Similar to how cricket was around at the time but had different rules like curved bats being allowed.
Edited for typo correction.
@@TheBespectacledN00b Since it can't hurt to clarify, England did have private schools, but what makes a school private is that you can't send your kids there. Like how a private party isn't different because you pay for tickets (very few parties do that), but because most people aren't invited. So e.g. maybe the clergy have a private school. If you're not clergy? Too bad your kids can't go. The public schools "democratized" schooling because just anybody could send their kids to these schools... for a huge fee. So English Public Schools are public the way Taylor Swift concerts are public, rather than the way Central Park is public.
The beauty of baseball is the ability to play it just about anywhere with whatever comes to hand. We used to play whiffle ball in my grandmother's cul-de-sac with pine cones as bases. Just for you Phil - ❤
Heck, you can even drop the bat and play with a generic playground ball. ...And thus kickball was born.
Baseball was my first love, I fell in love with it as a child and I continue to live and breathe this beautiful sport to this day.
This one was really good! The topic was interesting and the jokes landed! Maybe the "convex kite" part could have been at the beginning? Just so smug know-it-alls like myself will pay more attention to the baseball history.
oh yeah agreed! it was a late addition
The long awaited return of Why is a Thing a Thing. Oh how I've missed it.
There's a video, I think by HAI, on odd baseball courts and rules.
Almost no 2 courts are alike, some are larger or smaller, with differing rules as well. It's a sport shaped by its environment and available space, far more than any thought out planning.
Yah, outfield dimensions especially vary with the available space, and how the club -- and the ballpark's designers -- decided to make use of it. MLB rules do include minimum distances for _new_ stadiums. But older ones like Fenway Park and Wrigley Field are still grandfathered in -- and still have their own quirks, like Fenway's "Green Monster" wall (built extra tall to compensate for the short field on that side).
MLB rules do include standard "ground rules" for many of these specific quirks. But where and how often they come into play can vary a fair bit with the specific park layout. ...Like with the decline of domed stadiums, balls are far less likely to bounce off of -- or get caught in -- a roof.
"a sport shaped by its environment and available space" -- On a related note, even (American) football wasn't immune to this, especially in the early days.
In the 1900s decade, the Intercollegiate Football Conference* had _serious_ talk about making the field bigger, to compensate for increasingly rough play in games.** ...But Harvard University had _just_ spent a ton of money building a concrete football stadium,*** and it quite literally set the field dimensions in stone. So instead, in 1906 they legalized the forward pass -- which made the game _much_ more like it is today.
* which later became the NCAA
** In 1905 alone, 18 players died and 159 were seriously injured.
***** Built in 1903, Harvard Stadium was one of the first modern stadiums to be built of concrete. It still stands today, and is probably the oldest American football stadium still in use.
Shapes are so interesting when you actually get into what something is shaped like. It's neat to see how limits placed on things often improve them in some way.
"There's a happy feeling nothing in the world can buy
When they pass around the coffee and the pumpkin pie
It'll nearly be like a picture print by Currier and Ives
These wonderful things are the things
We remember all through our lives"
Quality stunt work Phil ! You hit the ground so well, I thought I was watching a John Wick movie. 👍
watch out keanu!!
Phil! once again you hid this one out of the park!, truly appreciate your work as always .
..fluet, entering and kind of quirky informative fun to watch in full length.
you got another fan right here❤
Phil; I know you're much younger than you look. But if you've ever played baseball on a city street you can play it almost like Cricket, Where you simply run back-and-forth on the same street the pitcher would be somewhere in the middle. Adding the bases to either side becomes easy once you have the field space that you lack on the one linear city street, just a logical extension. Fun topic.
I've literally never done that. Most parks around here have either a proper, but often times smaller diamond, or a bit of pavement that have bases painted onto them.
Next up Phil talks about basketball or something else.
My old primary school had a basketball court. We used to host local tournaments there, my school won a few too. It became its own little community with old graduates from my school going there to "shoot some b'ball". I never went I was a boring nerd who liked watching TV and mythbusters on discovery channel. I remember having to yell at people who spent their time playing basketball instead of doing extracurricular club activities. (I used to be the VP of the karate club, even nerds need exercise) Its all hazy now. Haven't even thought about most of this for nearly a decade now. Jeez.
haha i like the idea of a vice president of karate
Honestly, when you said you didn't want to start the video with an announcer, I'm just glad you picked the best home run call in all of baseball, Cleveland's own Tom Hamilton, as the sound byte to illustrate your point.
I've never asked this even coming from one of the few countries that the US infected with this game (Venezuela), and that was a delightful summary.
Living in Boston now it's genuinely strange knowing how much of American history is weaved into places I walk by every day, but you never really hear about Massachusetts whenever talking about the US in an international capacity...
Phil, you continue to amaze. I can't remember the last upload of yours I haven't sent around to friends - and all have enjoyed! Thanks for your excellent work, looking forward to the next one.
that's nice of ya, thanks!
8:02 I don’t get it; the “diamond” IS a square! So, yes, you have to do a video about the heart too. With considerably more, and even better, dad jokes. 🤔😏
(Also, in my native 🇸🇪 language, we do not have separate words for squares of different orientations. When I first heard “diamond” for a square stood on its apex I was bewildered, but then I learned that raw diamonds are shaped like that I accepted it. And yes, I had that acceptance confirmed in my university course in solid state physics. 😊)
The "diamond" is technically a kite and not a square because all 4 sides are not equal lengths. Kites mathematically have 2 pairs of equal sides that are different lengths.
@@rethinkOURreality You didn’t click the time-stamp, did you? 🤔
@Martin Nyberg Yes, I know what part you are talking about. Were you joking about being triggered? If so, oops lol.
@@rethinkOURreality The irony was lost in transmission since your text looked completely serious - and oblivious. Try some emojjieys as an ironymarker next time. 😏😉
Diamond (referring to shape) isn’t a well defined term in English. Sometimes it’s referring to a square oriented a particular way. Sometimes it’s referring to a non-square rhombus. …
Super informative, Phil. Always thought it was a square, just turned to look like a diamond. Never knew that it is actually a convex kite. Mind blown! Thanks...
I'm so glad I've found another Johnny Harris channel!
Thank you for creating a dad joke safe space for all us
Yes, you will have to do another video: How/why that muscular organ known as the heart came to be symbolized by this ❤ shape.
If I haven't followed you because of the quality work you've done up to this point already, 1:33-1:53 would've have sold me on doing so!
I imagine that the square setup could be influenced by cricket, where the batters are in the centre of the field. It's kinda fascinating, and I don't even like baseball haha
a video about the origins of the heart shape actually sounds interesting.
I wonder if there is a Rounders league in America
Yankee stadium looks beautiful this time of year!
can't beat the big apple
lol the sports hat killed me
I genuinely would be interested in a video about how the heart shape came to be.
Keep those dad jokes
When an HBP is an out, it’s called an LBW. :-)
Ok I can pass on the dad jokes...
Here's a 💜 back Phil
Thanks for another great weekend video
As a continental-European middle aged bloke, who has never been very much interested in sports, the whole baseball-thing is, frankly, as mysterious to me as the origin of the diamond shape of the field, because I've never understood a flying toss about the rules of it (admitting that I have a very short attention span regarding rules of games in general, be it cards, checkers, golf or twister). But on the other hand the sport fascinates me since I have read Don DeLillo's 'Underworld' (in particular the opening scene) , more than 25 years ago. Anyway, thank you for posting this, as usual , interesting and entertaining video.
hahah i too would say a fair amount of my baseball knowledge comes from underworld...still haven't read that american football book he did though (can't make myself)
@@PhilEdwardsInc well, his works are slimming by the year, so it would be probably a very short story about american football 😊 (not a critique btw, I love his works, and Underworld started as well as a short story about baseball I believe).
I’ll give that heart right back ya Phil ❤
I want that hat so much now
I absolutely love these. I would also love to see you dig into the history of soccer,football, names and why they are different. I do believe there was two broad categories of sports requiring a horse and also "football" which was sports where you ran on your feet. I think this is where the whole "sock" thing came in and how you get the white sox, red sox, etc.
i'll look into it!
@@PhilEdwardsInc SWEEET! That's actually exciting stuff to me.
Soccer is short for "association football" as it is the rules codified by the Football Association. It's old Oxford University slang that died in the UK but persisted in the US, Australia, Ireland and anywhere with their own rules. See also rugby being referred to as rugger.
Calling out a dad joke doesnt mean we dont appreciate the dad joke!
I think I would enjoy hanging out with Phil. Possibly at some Sports exhibition of some kind. But not for too long.
rodeo. lots of exit opportunities
Great use of Tom Hamilton (Hammy!) to open the video.
I was under the impression that the baseballs infield is a rhombus.
Humans: able to recognize thousands of different objects even from a distance.
Me: rotates a square by 45°
Humans: That's not a square, this is a diamond now
Great vid, thanks. I feel bad all these UA-cam creators have to be apologizing throughout their videos for anyone offended by anything. You can tell they are a little shell shocked.
haha not wrong!
Classic Phil Edwards!
No wonder it's considered a "picnic" sport, it started in the fields.
Came after watching a video you made for vox 7 years ago so wild how time is
A rivalry between Massachusetts baseball and New York baseball? Sounds too unrealistic. I don't believe it.
❤ back at cha Phil!
Phil, are you familiar with Finnish baseball, pesäpallo? It differs from North American baseball but still.. it is baseball. It's our national sport! Cheers from Finland!
wow cool i'm not, but i'll look it up
Perfect magic!
“It’s a heart”
The baseball diamond is shaped like how it is bc if you build it they will come
sadly no ghosts emerged from the corn in my shoot day
Well I sir did enjoy that dad joke. 10/10
8:31 man I do not remember kites being taught during are quadrilateral lessons in 3rd grade
The kite thing is very true I know someone who used calculus to calculate the fastest route around the bags for extra credit he got confused when drawing the line for fastest route on a baseball field the line never touched 2nd
The diagram at the end isn't accurate, though. The 90' measurement as defined by rule 2.03 is to the back side of first and third, but to the *center* of second: "The first and third base bags shall be entirely within the infield. The second base bag shall be centered on second base."
I have a shape for you Phil, it's a squircle.
As someone who was familiar with rounders but not baseball, this was genuinely useful as a "here's the major differences between that and cricket, and baseball" video haha
i found something you didn't already know more than me about! (though you know more about rounders!)
@@PhilEdwardsInc ah, I’m just a trivia sponge. All your videos have had at least one thing I didn’t know about! And the ones about architecture and design have loads!
Yeh going need a video about the heart shape. Also you could do history of doughnuts/donuts.
And I would also like to know... When did pirates go from murderous outlaws on the high seas to friendly characters for 3 and 4 year olds?
oh my gosh you wouldn't believe how hard i've tried to track down donuts
At 8:31 it measures 90ft to the far side of the bag at 1st from home. Would that mean 1st was never 90ft away? And now with 18" bags it's only 88.5ft away?
I'm watching because you look like Gary Oldman I realised as I was viewing the Calvin Peeing vid
WOOOAH there Phil. I believe you and I are both around the same age. Late 30s, nearly 40. You're not in middle aged territory, yet.
This was very interesting 🇦🇺
You should do a follow up on pesapallo, or Finnish baseball. Some funny history and geometry.
someone else mentioned that too! i wanna learn about this!
All hail the dad jokes 🤣
5:11 YOU DIDN'T SHOW US THE DOG????
you're a cool dude phil. thanks for all the effort you put in. a crazy idea just jumped into my head. what about a video on the conspiracy theory that paul mccartney was secretly replaced with a double? you could interview yourself like it's a podcast...
wow there's a lot more there than i realized. added to my list
All hail the dad jokes!!!
I have that same hat
You, sir, get a follow just for the dad joke
I’ll have you know, sir, I sport a vandyke.
Interesting
But cmon it’s rounders,with a commerce pleasing format, like any other bastardized American sport, that said the historical mentions of cricket and cricket grounds was an eye opener, although I do remember in David Nivens autobiography, he spoke of playing cricket in Hollywood .
Nice content 😊
I wish you would have spent more time on the actual geometry of the field. As an umpire I have to help set fields from time-to-time so I understand why it isn't a square that is just turned a certain way. You spent seconds on that aspect of it and I doubt many will be able to explain to someone else just how it is configured. But the history of baseball in general was interesting.
fair point! i was probably showing my interest bias there, but you're right, there's probably worth a fair bit more on the nitty gritty of it.
actual baseball is in a diamond?!
So we had fantasy baseball before fantasy football
SQUARE.
Go Sports Ball!
"Letting the best idea win" makes it particularly American? What was that you were saying about self-mythologising??
play ball
Awesome storytelling and editing as always. That said, I don't think you need to qualify yourself as much as you do for all the potential what if criticisms.
Yeah it's a tough balance! Still figuring it out...
It was still a dad joke.
my friends make fun of me all the time because I insist the entire field, including the outfield is "the diamond". now i'm opening myself up to youtube comment criticism oh no what have i done?
i think you can make an argument the whole thing is the diamond, since it's an extension of the diamond. if they don't accept the argument, say "look over there" and then run away before they can rebut you.
8:48
Um, actually that shape is called a cardioid, not a heart
*snort, chortle
Why call it a diamond, when it's just a square.
Why cricket didn't catch up in US?
Weirdly, the first ever "international" cricket match was USA vs Canada.
Baseball killed it.
like a boss!
so a rhomboid?
that seems fair!
Last!
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1:39 Don't worry, I won't say that was a dad-joke… because it wasn't a joke at all. 😛 It's a safe-space for _attempted_ jokes. Sorry, but _"I calls 'em like I sees 'em"._ 🤷
this is why we need instant replay
Ain't most American nations prefer football? And one is really into hockey. X)
Neat
Since when did you go full daddy lol 😂