SEVERAL NOTES: 1- There is a question on what made the judge say "let's stick to legal issues". It pertains to the Shaman. When Hybe's lawyer talked about the influence of the shaman on Min Heejin's decision, the court eventually said "let's stick to legal issues." 2- The court says they will accept more pieces of evidence until the 24th. 3- Yes, I am aware of the kakaotalk messages that allegedly came from the court hearing. yes, there are messages there where MHJ called one of the members fat. I chose not to include it because it came from one source, one reporter. This reporter has a good track records but still, it just came from him. until it is verified, I will not completely trust it. 4. Someone asked about HYBE CEO saying he will give NJ 1.5 years of a break. That is not accurate. He was asked if they will overwork NJ like other groups who barely get vacation time. NJ is known for getting vacations every 2 months. HYBE CEO said they will give them enough rest. In fact, after this promotion, they will get a break. The 1.5 years pertains to the length of time they have to wait once they sign a Grammy winning producer. It seems they want to get a song in the US that will have a chance at winning a Grammy. HYBE CEO said it takes 1.5 years of wait which is true. If you want a real good producer, it takes that long. It may be shorter if you are like a Beyonce or a BTS because producers want to work with them but if you are not that caliber, it will take 1.5 years and even longer.
The going to a 'Sharman can be seen as illegal as discussing company business with an 3rd party (un authorized party). That could be a breach of contract issue especially if it was used to discuss ways to undermine the company or de fraud it. To do something illegal eg steal from the company.
The single most important fact today in the hearing is that Hybe PROVED WITH RECEIPTS their claim NHJ approached other investors and had talks about aquiring Adore from Hybe. Anything else is a side issue. She breeched trust and broke company policy with that single act alone. This should be grounds for her immediate dismissal.
Actually speaking from a business perspective, what she did was not illegal. What she did is what we call a hostile takeover or a ‘coup d’etat’, it’s allowed but it can involve a lack of trust between shareholders.
I have been waiting for some news so thank you so much for this. I feel positive for Hybe after hearing this. I sincerely hope that they get an injunction so they can proceed with the shareholders meeting and fire her. I agree with you her attitude towards these young girls is atrocious and not at all mother like. Apart from always bringing their name up and their parents to support her defence, if she has convinced them that they won’t succeed without her, how mentally deflating is that to them. Her ego if she actually believes this is out of this world. They are extremely talented young girls and will succeed much better with correct mentors. Another wait but as Army we are getting quite used to waiting. Thank you for your insight and thoughts on the matter. 💜
Yes, we ARMY know how to wait. But our 7 men left a bouquet of memories and gifts to help us get thru their absence. MHJ leaves only bad tastes and smells.
She wants to stop HYBE from firing her now after all the chaos that she did and she think without her NJ will fail? I don't know about anyone but if these claims is not enough for people to stop taking her side, then I question your judgements in life.
The reason why she's so insecure is that New Jeans is re-creatable. Remember NJ success is her only card in HYBE. But since HYBE can basically just create another girl group that could rival NJ. As someone who thinks too highly of herself, that was a massive blow. Also, I wonder of she's behind the "New jeans is next BTS"
There's nothing special about NJ besides their fresh music and talent, and they dident build up an strog fandom to back up them so they can easily create a group as talented as NJ and give them the same music
10:40 I agree with this. Artists should be respected because of their artistry. If their fans really believe New Jeans is that great, then they should be confident that the group can exist without MHJ and her concepts. This is really what irks me. I've seen people claiming they support New Jeans so they support MHJ like it's the most sensible equation, without even looking objectively at the tirades she's done and how she practically dragged New Jeans in the mud with her to save herself.
As a bunny, this fandom has been fighting since day 1 to protect this girls from exploitation, so it really boggles my mind that people who like new jeans support this woman after she throws them in the middle of the heat on her conference disguised as care for the girls. Alot of things has been exposed but I am the most upset about her sharing private interactions with the girls while the girls are in their vulnerable state disguising herself as a mother it's freaking disgusting, she seeks ally with a bunch of minors and hides behind them knowing nwjns is Koreans sweetheart and it works, but for what cause? She involve a bunch of minors to a personal level on a big issue, which not only bring them pressure and it could also affect their relationship with other groups that mhj involved and the company who provides for them, by making it clear that the girls are on her side and ofcourse that means they agree with everything that she said. I would never be on her side with that alone, hybe is a trash company just like any big corporation out there and i don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but even the trash company knows better than to involve the girls like mhj did, all they did is exposed her trying to sabotage hybe after they trust her like damn they gave her a company, gave her new jeans and is the most paid employee in hybe, ofcourse her leaving is betrayal after they invest so much to her
@@Spiderpunkrockseven hybe already warning her about using NJ as her shield by claiming they and their parents are on her side and that they crying for her. I really don't get it how can their fans not seing all of her BS. Hybe only sue her for breach of trust, but she drag NJ with their allegedly "unfair treatment " (wich actually proven to be untrue), not accepting greeting, etc in this whole mess to gain public sympathy as "NJ mother". Now even NJ sent petition for her, idk how these kids will react to MHJ fat shaming, double face chat that released only one day after they submit petition siding with her.
Imo for BTS, i think one of the many contributors for having this kind of mentality of not giving up, and relaying and having faith towards each other is that they grew in this industry facing so many hardships. Clthey come from the bottom... Bighit didn't baby them, and let them grow as artists... That's why what ever happen they know how to handle things, with or without BangPd help. Even the CEO of BigHit trust BTS with the music and art they will create.
Bang pb is an father figure for BTS. He himself said he is only comfortable with BTS because it his group & to him they are like his own family. He allowed them to do whatever they want.He will not tolerate BTS any scratches if BTS gets more downgraded.
Given the information Hybe gave to the court, I think that Min Heejin is in big trouble. I hope Bunnies, the girls and their parents wake up and realize that Min Heejin will destroy New Jeans. She may have helped them creatively reach their current success but she is not the only reason they are where they are. Telling them this is like saying they are not real artists with talent. This is so harmful to them. I believe these young girls should be left out of this and protected from a person who is only using them
seems to me that this awful woman has resorted to SM old mentorship ways with New Jeans. also, As talented as new Jeans seem to be, I don't know much about them. Do any of them play an instrument, do they participate, in any way, of developing and /or picking their music? After listening to bubblegum ( apt. name), and the other song, I hope not as it sounds like canned girl K pop. I hope better people take care of these girls. They have worked hard. I suspected Hybe had something bigger they were going to go to court with, and boy did they! In fact I think the info about Naver and the other investor sort of ties Hybe's claim up in a pretty Purple bow. I believe we will see the end of this very soon, and unfortunately, unless the girl's parents are staying quiet because Hybe has told them too , I think they'll be finished. Maybe they will get picked and put with different company and group of girls?
Even if mhj stopped working with the girls,hybe can still manage to give success to nwjs.hybe is really good at having good songs & concepts.the only thing I don’t like about bang pd is creating less talent groups but I still listen to hybe music without following artists
@@LPnerdIf you think im a logic and cold way, the hoatus can be for them to be send to rehab in order to go over their conditioning but you will have to be a better human been than me in order to trust them with huge promotions since day one after this, they have been conditioned and if they do not break free of it the moment they feel any freedom can ruin themselves running to their groomer.
The concern about conditioning is valid and the members (and parents) won’t be able to understand reality as long as they are in an echo chamber environment. I wonder if Ador employees have been conditioned by MHJ. To see this happening to anyone, but especially to minors and very young adults is awful. I hope they will accept any support HYBE offers them.
If she really cared about the girls, she wouldn't have done all this nonsense! The fact that she always takes credits for the girls' hard work, complaining about the fact that NJ got paid more than her, is very telling! She doesn't care about the girls. She wants full control to rip them off! The parents better wake up fast! I hope that HYBE wins and fires her ass! As for NJ, they need to realize that Bang PD is their boss! The world does not evolve around them! I think that their instant success might have gone way over their head!
MHJ has been claiming that other girl groups are copying her NJ, but isn't the act of digging info about BTS and using it for her devious plan worse? 🙄
It's kinda confirming that she's behind all the smear attack and hate towards BTS recently. This woman should be examined by psychiatrist, she's clearly out of her mind.
Thank you for updating us on the situation. I always wait for you as you’re the only one I trust to give us the right information. I shudder to think how our seven are coping mentally with all this going on. I’m sure they are ok it still it can’t be easy. I think now for the first time, I’m glad they’re in the Military. 💜
Bang does not like how the girls of NJ are still immature and possess no value of music or their future if they are content being MHJ group rather tan artist with musical talent. They are just performers at this point. Very good performers who have used BTS as a total model on.stage to engage a foreign audience. MHJ mission to me was to create that other BTS in female version. She took everything she could take from what is most popular about BTS and passed it on NJ. The bunny, the door, the key, the nystery in omg is their hyyh. It's not done by every hybe group, but they follow bts steps in concepts to attract an audience in stages of growth that worked for bts. MHJ is a branded. She functioned like AI or Google search to select top trends to make NJ style and merch. I have never seen so many stuffed animals for an idol group. They are not cartoons or have characters that I know about. NJ store is full of stuffed bunnies in multiple colors. The most popular in BTS has a bunny alter ego. NJ is designed to be that transition group where you have the comforts of BTS without being too obvious about, 'if you like BTS, you will like NJ,' is exactly how NJ is setup to appeal to ARMY.
It is the attitude ! The attitude guys! BTS will always win. There will never ever be another group like BTS! Boys or Girls group. BTS is that unreachable star. The only one in the whole UNIVERSE!
Her arguments don’t address any of the issues raised by the actual complaint. It seems like she’s using NJ as a shield and a sword to protect herself from criticism but also as a victim. And if the legally stated reasons are her view then she should be their manager doesn’t mean she should be the CEO of the label. I feel bad for both NJ and the parents as she’s manipulating them all for her purpose and the quotes shared support that.
Yeah, but gaslighting receipts made public by Hybe shows MHJ in writing stating - NJ success is because of her, not NJ (hello, MHJ basically saying they aren't talented) and "it's hard to treat them as artists". Geez, I wonder how NJ and their parents feel to being used as a media tool by MHJ? As I said with Army over and over, many who were frustrated with the "slow" response of defending BTS, Hybe IS working hard to defend BTS and themselves!!!!! They had receipts to show how nasty MHJ was toward BTS, they waited for her next false court allegation to present the defense and receipts to the public in a respectful manner!!!!! Boom, as Army I fully support Hybe!!!!!! May 24th, with the release of RM's album, cannot come quickly enough!
@@nataliacoggins6769Since the group made it big she has been saying that, that it is her group, her vision, her talent, her and only her the one that make it successfull.
She's using everything as a shield right now. She's a frantic cat throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. It doesn't even have to make sense. I have a question. Does evidence in a Korean court work the same as in the USA with regard to hearsay, incredible, irrelevant, and immaterial evidence? Cuz Min Hee Jin walked in there with a boat load of it.
Based on what has been disclosed in court so far, I understand why HYBE got ahead of this situation by releasing information to the public first. Korea netizens and fans are very out spoken and quickly react to any information. The court of public opinion is very strong. Both HYBE and MHJ know this. That's why we are witnessing basically 2 battles. The true legal process and the public tactics. MHJ press conference played on the hearts of the public even though most of it was basically "they hurt my feelings and I didn't get what I want" vs. actual facts. Even with the facts coming out in the courts, she is still basically saying, "I didn't get what I wanted, and they are mean." In my opinion, her attachments to NJ are a great example of why a group should have a few young adults in the group to protect them from manipulative tactics. Sorry for rambling. I was just disappointed and disgusted by MHJ actions.
Yes! A I said the same thing the full group shouldn't be so young and close in age, there should be few older, and if nit there should be young menager around too, there is always few menagers, so one should be younger maybe to easier connects and see world better... But yeah when you think about it most groups in kpop started with maknae that was young like JK, like Taemin, (I honestly don't know more groups xD) but they were 14/15 but they had people in bands that were at different time of growing like going back to BTS you had JK and Jin that took care of him, Jin was making food and driving JK to school, no menagers or CEO, they were for each other when school ended, they gone do JK are RM graduation, they wake up and send Suga for his test at the end of high school, and Jin made lunch, we don't know how this younger members in grouos would be today if they didn't have older members that understand the world and looked at the world a little different. But let's be honest this girls have parents that are involved in their carrires and they don't see it, they don't look from outside perspective. When JHope had problems with hate at the begining his mother didn't go to Bang and started complaining and demanding, she said to Hobi that make he needs break and to come home for few days... I remember when Suga said that his mother told him that he is shown too little, and he should do something about it or talk to Bang, and He said to her that it dosen't matter as long bands looks good in TV or show and also of course they will show more energetic members and that he dosen't care, but in the end Bang saw it himself this was one of the reason they started Run BTS and Army bombs bc they could control that all members are showed... I honestly don't understand this parents bc it looks like they also don't believe that their kids can survive in industry....
@magdalenagabrowska8169 Exactly. Not to mention, V was ignored by Bang for 2 years. I can see the members telling him it's ok because Bang is a busy man .
As an outsider looking in, it's my impression that SK is a patriarchal society. As such, I'm always happy to hear when a woman has been placed in a position of power. To see one of these women pull this victim nonsense is incredibly disappointing. That interview she conducted was especially disappointing. The poor little helpless me, look what they're doing to me, I'm such a victim just set my teeth on edge. I understand that the mental attitude and general society values of east vs west are different but I'm still disappointed that so many people believed her little act!
And mind you that put a step back into what women were fighting a long time for… She basically played into that stereotype of women being mentally unstable and not fit into positions of power…
For many years, I've only been interested in BTS. No one else gives me so much great music and a sense of well-being. Their work is meaningful, high-quality, authorial. The content of the lyrics is literally psychotherapy. How can anyone think that ARMY wants to support teenage girls with music for "bunnies" of the same age? Such a person completely misunderstood who BTS is for ARMYs and vice versa.
The fact is, some of NJ's lyrics- and remember, these are underage girls- are, not explicit, but overtly sexual. Google the 'Cookie' lyrics and you'll see what I mean.
She's basically brainwashing NJ'S and their parents into thinking they can't succeed without her and trying to harm BTS by gaining access to their financial information! Also, the fact that she was trying to hire an assistant but wanting that person to be possessed by the spirit of her deceased sister is very disturbing!! MHJ is a sick and twisted individual. She needs to go!
It seems like a ridiculous matter for them to bring up but I think the intention was to convey that BSH was jealous of NJ's success and was, at that time, impeding their progress in favour of promoting his new group. Alleging that he Ignored the group in person would in a way contribute to the validity of the larger accusation.
@@WildberryABThat is far-fetched because what is "jealous of NJ's success" mean when Bang PD is the man behind the success of BTS and the owner of this empire called HYBE? 😂 That argument is childish tbh.
MHJ is like one of those house guest who set the home owner's house on fire. After all the pain and mess, she deserves to get fired. And all her claims are so childish!
I agree that the statement NJs can't succeed without Min isn't the right way to conduct business, nor mentor young people. They can be guided by more experienced people, but their success is within themselves. this whole case seems to be selfish.
I mean she can bring it up, most important is why she would say it? You have to think from her side why her lawyers used this as argument when for most people it seems riduculus.. there is few reasons, one shevsaid NJ can't be without her, showing that chairman ignored them and how they were sad and hiw they feld in texts and that they come to her, it is to show she has bond with them and if she is gone they were left alone with people that ignore them. two is to show that the hybe heads don't care about her group. Three to show it is bad environment to leave them in their hands. This is little stupid point her side made that goes back to points that NJ, needs them, the parents and girls want her, and that the company will put them on break if she is gone. It seems stupid but it is strategy... Ehh
First it was... it's a slave contract, and I won't be able to leave Hybe. Now, it's... I'm suing you, so Hybe can't fire me because I don't want to leave. 😂😂😂
Ohh she wants to leave but with NJ and money, if they make her leave now she lost everything and in theory access to them too (but in reality she still could do things behind with parents etc) but if she stay and make Comeback with them shows that all thanks to her, bc she is there, she will look good in theory and then she would makes move to leave on their own with the girls contracts bc they are "team" and they need her, even tho we don't know bc there wasen't a moment the girl were without her, so how do we know that she is really needed. So yeah this is why she wants to be there still, also even if girls would leave with her it is too much money to buy them out, no matter what kind of money she would find she wouldn't have resorces to send them on tour, without Hybe capital and connections, etc. It is all strategy. You have to remember this is "temprary postponment" what she is asking from judge sooo she wants to get few months to prepared again for leave on better terms, do more chaos for sure, and maybe have even stronger hold on girls, then at the time they will be firing her...
@@zeyv4551 yep her logic is non existent one wonders if she even remembers what lies she's told. "Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive" come's to mind.
@@magdalenagabrowska8169 She wouldn't be able to take them with her because their contract is with HYBE and she would have to pay out millions to HYBE to get them out of their contract.
Thank you very much for this update. This exposes MHJ as someone who really plans to undermine Hybe to be able to make Ador breakaway. I guess this is also the reason why MHJ has been using the media and people's emotion to sway support her way. If anything, MHJ is holding New Jeans hostage, and this is not something that is for their favor which is opposite of what MHJ is saying she cares about New Jeans. One thing though, there are alot of toxic bunnies out and I feel even more pain for ILLIT as they are still getting so much hate despite their obvious talent. It is just also sad where people are just hating on HYBE being this evil corporation but that is the nature of the business and New Jeans got an easier route but then again, they are talented and they will do good even without MHJ.
what truly bewildered me is; there’s always a bad article in media like koreaboo or (everything that has PANN on its name) about illit and le sserafim after a hybe vs mhj feud. poor gurls
Already a Diva outlook with what? Hahahahaha! Even BTS was ignored by many during their debut days! BTS did NOT have what NJ had on the onset ! The audacity! No matter how talented you are if EGO comes first, you're a failure from the start. No amount of talent can compensate with attitude! BTS bows down ti thier fans. Respects their elders but never kowtow to money or power. President Biden of the United States of America said , you continue to do what have been doing for.the youth of the world. And that my dears is the most powerful man on earth trusting BTS..... I REST MY CASE! Your turn.
Could it be that MHJ also sought the Shaman's powers to "cast a spell" on the girls to make them completely dependent on her..? (The reason they feel they CAN'T be successful without her) 🤭😢
Бан Ши Хек учил бантан самостоятельности. Не зря он сказал, что им надо попробовать себя в сольной деятельности. Он никогда не прикрывая ими. Да возможно были неудачи, неурядицы, разногласия, но он относился к ним как к равным. Они находили компромисс. Вот это по настоящему. Кто то будет говорить, что ребята работали как сумасшедшие, но думаю, что и он и весь стаф тоже не сидели сложа руки. В любом случае Мин Хи Джин не должна вовлекать в свои разборки никого из артистов.
I agree. I think BPD and BigHit are unfairly villainized. They e had disagreements but all parties seem good at compromising. Bang isn’t given enough credit for how he changed K-pop for the better. He’s a visionary. No one else is in BtS’s shoes with how independent they are.
If HYBE's claims are proven true, MHJ seems to be mentally unstable, her behaviour is not that of a rational person. She also seems way too personally possessive of NJ, rather than behaving as a professional, ie, crippling them by encouraging them to be overly reliant on her. Thank you for your update and for sticking to the facts!
I get the feeling that she's living vicariously through these girls. Like she dreamt of being an idol herself as a little girl, and maybe even tried out but didn't debut. So she's determined to re-live her dream through NWjns. (I'm just speculating)
@@prevodiEtranslations For believing a shaman? When I look how people in the US believe in Christ I see little difference. Remember that the SK president is not living in the Blue House because a shaman told him to. IU's label had a warning from a shaman that told them they would have a very successfull artist and when that happens to move out of the building as soon as possible. They did with IU, moved and the building collapsed soon after. For SK that is as normal as the believe in Christ is for example all over the US.
@@ruthfischer7615 a shaman 🤣 ... no, not bcs of that person ... she has other more other butter on her head 😄 ... that butter a company will put on it's bread 🤷♀️
The ignore thing. They did not say when that happened. Not sure how Bang would tell them apart from the hug number of dancers and trainees. There is also the fact that he never works with them to talk or recognize them on a regular. We also know that Bang PD was like this for V in the past until he started working with them regularly and seeing them regularly. Imagine how many trainees and idols Bang saw come and go over the years. Part of it might be a natural protective filter. But if this was recent like this week, he shouldn't speak to them at all while in legal deliberations
Another thing that people should realize, Mr. Bang is the CHAIRMAN of HYBE. HYBE has many companies located in USA, South America and Japan. There are thousands of employees and hundreds of artists. Mr. Bang doesn't work 9-5 in office.
But it isn't really important, it dosen't matter when it happened. It shouldn't never be talked about it should stay in the elevator like "hmm he ignored me, ah dosen't matter" and you move on. BUT it what is important is that the girl/girls did big deal of this, and there are text, this is from her side ammunition to show that ceo and chairman don't care about them, that they are ignored, and if she leave they will be in bad position bc nobody cares about them. It dosen't matter that it is dumb to be hung on on this, but it makes sens for her case, she is showing that she is needed bc without her the girls will be alone and sad and ignored, etc, and no saing "hello" in elevator is example. So yeah for us normal people it is stupid to even talk about it, but for her side it builds narration that every one suck expect her bc she is like mother to them.... Yuck
I mean shouldn't he still acknowledge them or answer their greeting, like if someone great u won't you answer??(idk how the situation actually was,maby the parents just mad a big deal of it but if its true , it dosent make sense to not answer s.o great no matter how strange they are)
How embarrassing for the parents to say they are nothing with out MJH. Even if it was true! These young ladies are suppose to be a group and believe in their talent! It makes them out to be totally manufactured and the parents lack common sense
Lovely as the girls seems, they are a manufactured product and have 5 year or so left on their contract with the company. For the better or worse the girls and their fanbase are tightly knit with MJH and Ador. If the girls ends up spending their remaining years on a "long vacation" whatever talents and potensial they have will not matter much as they are not working. They would indeed be nothing as far as being kpop idols goes and long replaced and forgotten by the time their contracts runs out
NJ should understand that their success is THEIR hard work and talent. PERIOD. If they're believing otherwise, then they weren't being guided by a true mentor!!!!! I believe that with someone else, they will not only do much better, but will enjoy long term success!
I am just back from looking at the Korean comments below a report of the court proceedings and the way the opinions (mainly Korean) have taken a 180 degree turn is shocking and I have to say they are ruthless, both in supporting and abusing people! This gives me reasons to not trust popular Korean opinions at all. There seems to be nothing in the world as fickle as those! Korea really will make an interesting study for such cases!
@@user1234-ol7mz I wouldn't say they have completely changed their opinions but those who have, seem to be ruthlessly attacking Min Hee Jin when they were defending her just two days back. I am the last person to support Min Hee Jin but the intensity with which they defend people and the very next day attack the same person with the same intensity is a lot to take for me! It is as if there is no grey for them or no space for nuance at all. It is either black or white!
Yeah they are brutal. The Korean comments under lesseraphim videos are also brutal. I feel bad for the girls. No wonder so many kpop celebrities unalive themselves.
I do appreciate the way you analyze the arguments on hand. It was very clear and easier to understand for people who are not into the laws of SK. Malinaw na malinaw. Thank you and God bless you.
Sean at Seoulite spelled out how Hybe might be forced to put NJ on Hiatus in response to MJH calculated plans, if that happens ultimately would be her fault
NJ should be on hiatus. If they go out in public to perform, be on shows, etc. they will get a lot of looks, questions, and more publicity than they want. Plus I am sure many other idols are side-eying them now hearing all these " little, princessy" complaints. These teenage idols from other companies are probably thinking "You think that is mean/ hard, well let me tell you some stories...." LOL
I truly 🙏 that New Jeans can recover from the gaslighting this vile woman has done to them. The entertainment industry is so hard even for adults, now you have very very young naive, girls that have only had this narcissist as their mentor. They don't even seem to have bonds or mentors in any other groups in HYBE as MJH as isolated them to the top floor, and she has brain washed them to see other groups not as colleagues but as "threats"..They can't even turn to their parents as Master Manipulator MJH had gaslighted their parents😢.
@@BlessingOgunleye-n7m Thing is they were used and manipulated by her programmed to believe only what miss Min said. It's so sad. Now those girls fooled and used by this women must feel really lost and confused. Once she's gone I think it would be good if ARMY could all play just one of their songs an least once in 24hours. Maybe leave them a message that we don't blame them and we are all wishing the well.
Bye bye New Jeans. It has been an amazing time in kpop with the ushering the 5th generation, and it is never the young people’s fault. But once the parents take sides they have put the nail in that coffin. So sad.
I don't understand why NJ and their parents are standing behind her. Maybe NJ as they've known her for so long and were very young when they started, but their parents? If HYBE is able to get rid of MHJ (which with the current evidence, lets hope so) and they support her until the end I feel like that will likely end their career too.Edited to add; I'm not saying it should but with them saying they can't do it without her I don't see how it wouldn't.
I mean it’s known that MHJ not only has a close relationship with the members (that lie outside of their ACTUAL JOBS) but also with their parents. I believe in MHJs interviews before NJs debuted she would mention how close she is with the members & their family/parents. She stepped out of line. What kind of “employer” goes to their employees houses, has dinners and close time with the family themselves?
The best thing for them is to lay low with the hiatus and let all this mess die down. Let MHJ go her own way, whether that's to prison or just out the door. Then, during that time, NJ can become part of the Hybe culture, where they can interact with other groups, learn skills like songwriting and producing - which is highly encouraged by Hybe for their artists. And then come back with fresh music, more mature minds and a better chance at long-term success as real artists, and not just MHJ's puppets. It's really unfortunate that they think they can't do anything without MHJ - she was actually holding them back from their full potential by not letting them socialize with other successful groups in Hybe and not taking advantage of their belonging to the #1 entertainment company in Korea.
@@ruthfischer7615But not music production or choreography credits. That's when you have reached your artist status beyond songwriting credits. Some Twice members have even written their own songs. Soyeon in Gi-dle and Wonyoung in IVE. TXT is both credited for songwriting and music production like Beomgyu. Even fromis_9. Then you have Seventeen, BTS and Boynextdoor. NewJeans could not exist without Min Hee-jin is utter BS. That is what destroyed J-pop by Yasushi Akimoto. Members become manufactured dolls produced by one person. You are just a performer at that point.
@@hbrant Choreography does not get credits? If you are lucky that is on the dance practice vid i think but I have never looked. Production credits for someone who is not mainly a producer & that young are pretty rare. I don't know any beside Yoongi? Like I said NJ members have - especially for their small discography - already have writing credits and I doubt they did write songs before they became trainees (they are still very young after all). But you are right that MHJ is seemingly applieing SM Ent. rules to them, too, and treating them like dolls. It's especially funny since an Exo-L recently told me about Exo members writing their music. Some of them have credits but not necessary under their Exo-name. In Exo it was downplayed, too. Soyeon - I believe - was made this year a full member of the KOMCA. Congrats to her! And this is one of the reasons why BSH wants MHJ out: The misstreatent of NJ. But they are young and have time to develop as artists. I think they are not quiet 2 years old and that may still count as rookies. But they do need to get away from MHJ who destroys their potential.
I agree I feel sorry for NJ, and their parents. They have relied on what MHJ has been spoon feeding them. They have no real idea how music industry works. MHJ pampered them and they won’t know how to put in the hard work. They expect everything to be handed to them. They need an emergency mentor. Did MHJ ever repay the money she borrowed from Bang PD to buy her shares? If not doesn’t that mean she doesn’t Truly OWN her 18% shares in Ador?
I agree because new jeans is so young they should be protected but I also do think they should have consequences for their behavior and pettiness towards the person that funded them and made it possible for them to have no training debt and get paid ridiculously well and be able to live in arguably the most lavish place of any rookies.
What behaviour? The only one they can follow is their parents - who are not there/on the phone - and MHJ - who isolated them. Are there even friendships with other HYBE artists and trainees? You are victim blaming.
They were groomed, it seems. I do hope they can see that MHJ was taking advantage of them but they seem so attached that they can't disconnect from her claims.
@ruthfischer7615 I think that she is talking about them suing BPD because he did not greet them! They need to remember that they work for BPD / HYBE, not the other way around! Bitting the hands that feed you never ends well!
@@kimjeon_2016 They didn't "bite". As pointed out they are insecure. They believe their success is because of MHJ. She made sure they believe that. That insecurity led to a question that than was taken way out of context and weaponized by MHJ. Think of them as victims. How long does it take for an abuse victim to realize that they are abused? That they don't deserve it? That they are strong on their own? That they are scamed/used? Some never do. Only 1 member of Fifty Fifty realized it and only because she read an article how she was scammed out of copyright money and than began to question what other lies she was told. I'm also under the impression she was not quiet as hit by the abuse the group went through. NJ has no idea what is really going on. Or at least they didn't until now. Perhaps if they follow what was recently said in court? I wish them luck and that they get out of the target zone MHJ is pushing them into.
She really does not know her place. All those assumptions because of her is ego related and to coverup. Her points are all personal related because of her plan. Bts had a great mentor from the start. They could find each other in music and support from the start.
When you see each sides arguments laid out like that in black and white it makes MHJ and NJs parents look sooooo childish. They're complaining IN COURT about a non-greeting and not getting to debut first ?? Like really that's what you're bringing to the table ??? Edited to add: I also 1000% agree with your point about lawyers keeping their strategies close and not airing things out in public. All these ppl who took HYBEs silence as an admission of guilt and said if they weren't being shady they need to speak up need to realize this is real life not a kdrama and this is how professionals actually act.
Its not BSH&Co have been less childish and more professional in handling whatever went on at the perimeter, and I belive it was them that started the media war. If the claims they are making are in fact true and they can document it, this could all been handled in a much more clean and quit manner. Heck, even so if they just wanted to get rid of the problematic lady for whatever reason. I cant think of any scenario where this shit throwing mess is not a gigantic managment failure. If I was a shareholder I would be both nervous and furious.
@@OleLeikbut it was MHJ who did a more serious crime in the company, by talking to investors behind Hybe's back (which MHJ denied at the presscon, btw) . She's made aware that this can get her fired as CEO as a consequence, and I think that's the reason why she called in the presscon, to get the favorable general public opinion on her side plus prevent Hybe from axing her. Had she submitted herself to the audit, along wi5her laptop as was required of her, then this won't be a messy situation as we're seeing now. Now with this new development / evidence presented in Court that she went to Naver and Donamu, well, everything else can be viewed in a different light. She created the distractions (parents, being first gg to debut, etc) to hide the much bigger crime she did.
@@neljade3341 Questeniable as it might be be, its not a crime and this is not a criminal law case and the problematic lady for all her narcissistism, shadyness and wrongdoings have not never been charged for anything prison worthy as far as I know. Its not really abaut firing her, If HYBE want her out, for whatever reason, she WILL be on her way out soon enought. I belive, as for most things in that godforsaken industry, its mainly abaut $$$. More spesificaly the $$$ value of her share of the company and the likely contract clasusules thereof in regard to things like breach of thrust and embezzling From my point of view the claims of her alleged plan of a hostile takeover makes little to no sense given her small share of the company with HYBE owning and controlling the great majority of it.I rather doubt HYBE really thought she was a real threath to them and that such a plot could realisticly be carried out. Rather it seems that they instead of the usual behind closed doors horse trading deals to sort things out - the tried, and failed at great cost, to paint MHJ as a villain like Givers in the 50/50 case.
Shaman....spirit of the sister......what?!!!??!!!!!? The woman does not seem very 'balanced' if HYBE can prove it. And she seems - apart from HYBE's arguments, which only underline the impression she already gives - to be a big control freak?!?!
Learned that from LSM. (micromanaging) And I don't think it is that different from the Christian drift in the US. Remember that the current SK president does not live in the Blue House because of a Shaman.
They are doing a self fulfilling prophecy. It won't be because of mhj but because the parents are going to the public and talking bad about hybe. This whole Bang didn't talk to us is not a good look for the members. I hope they see the light.
MHJ has been brainwashed NJ/THEIR PARENTS. I think the Judge has already decided but just gave times for MHJ' side if they have more evidence but as we know, they have nothing. Thank you for the information, you were super fast.👍👍👍👍👏👏👏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
MHJ got the SM mindset down pat 🤣 taking over all control and creativity from the artist.. Looking forward to more updates by the end of the month. I believe Hybe will win this and overhaul ADOR. As the Filipino meme says "parating na tayo exciting part." 🤣
I kind of disagree with New Jeans being left out of this issue because their parents have already pulled them into this issue... They have to take a stance and make a united statement by themselves (no parents, no guardian) and say that they want to become artists and grow as such. At this point MHJ has painted them as marionettes that can only move according to her will. It's giving a controlling-Korean mother who feels my children can only go on the path I set for them. Everyone knows what I'm talking about and it's a really abusive relationship. It's too late for New Jeans to back out of this without making a statement and stating their stance. And the way it's going they are going to be quite irrelevant in the future fr. I mean, the statement made about BSH being "rude" to them is very telling of their mentality as individuals. Suffice to say, I now can understand why I was never really into their behind the scenes activities and only gave a listening ear to the music they released.
After the news that NJ’s parents sided with MHJ (as was confirmed in court by MHJ’s lawyers) NJ become a huge liability for HYBE. Also, when HYBE will fire MHJ (as I understand) she still will have ADOR shares. In order to buy it from her with cheaper prices HYBE will need to shelf NJ anyway since NJ is the only asset that ADOR has. NJ do not have a choice, they will need to wait sometime for everything to resolve (as parents stated in interview CEO told them 1.5 years till comeback) or they can leave and pay for the breach of the contract (they would not be able to repay).
Keena managed to get away and I don't think HYBE will give up on NJ. Why should they? I'm not entirely sure that NJ even made a statement. That the parents back MHJ at the moment is not surprising since she groomed them, too. She did not let them get in contact with HYBE and by now they seem to believe her. Therapy may be needed. Mind you I have no idea if the concerts are shelved that were planned (if they were) or if that is speculation. I think NJ still can manage it.
@@ruthfischer7615 A concert with little discography? Well if you want to look like a joke, I guess that's feasible. They can at most only do festival shows and fan meetings. Also Hybe keeping them is like trying to house a rabid animal that very actively wants to kill you. Since they've always isolated themselves from Hybe, they'll get used to not "being" in Hybe as they wait for their contract to expire or sth.
@@e.deborah7256 No: They *were* isolated from HYBE and HYBE artists by MHJ. That is not their fault. They just did not notice. They are insecure teens, far too easily manipulated (one of the reasons they were chosen to begin with). Give them time in a healthy environment and they will likely see that, too. Which is what happens when people realize they have ben scamed/groomed/abused. It's a process.
Maby in elevator the member said hello mr bang and he nodded , so she thought she was ignored, we dont know the exact situation and honestly with al trainees and dancers how could he know them and he never worked with them directly
OMG! A CEO not greeting the girl is a legal issue. Then all CEOs of companies should he sued. Just with Hybe's 1st argument (if with proof), she's toast!
@@CloudedLeopard8588 yes, you're right! he is the Chairman. the more it is not to be expected for such position to really be mingling with people. just because NJ is popular now, they feel so entitled and piveleged and expects BPD to be chummy with them as how he is with BTS. they must be dreaming! BTS and BPD have been through thick and thin and this is why their relationship is so special. As Jin has said in the Q&A, the one thing he is so proud of is being able to call their boss as "hyung" means they treat each other as brothers. Only BTS can have this privelege. So to the NJ member who complained about this (if indeed it came from her), sorry but not sorry. Don't expect too much. I hope these girls still have humility in themselves and not be puppets to this pathetic woman.
@@abigailreyes1503 exactly and why didn’t MHJ raise this with BPD. Her job as the CEO is to address this. She should have told BPD that they were upset.
@@CloudedLeopard8588 coz she was the one who was isolating these girls from the rest. even with their speeches, they are making the scripts for them. I don't think these girls have never mentioned Hybe nor BPD. She only wants them to mention her name.
Let's hope New Jeans come out of this as a stronger group. None of these KPop groups deserve to be mistreated. Thanks for explaining what the process has been with the Min Hee Jin case. The court process sounds positive and will allow for that woman to be removed from the company.
Why would the contract information be important? It is a means to create a wedge between the artists and hybe to competively offer them something better. MHJ is trying to make HYBE an empty shell by stealing their artists and they cannot do it fairly. They needed to know what kind ofbcontracts they have so they can mirror it or make it more tempting. BUT what i have been wondering the most is did MHJ steal ARMYs personal data.
I think she thinks they're "the next BTS", and should be paid like BTS. I think the $16M signing bonus at the last BTS contract signing sent her over the edge. If not for BTS, none of them would be there. Period.
that's why i love jin and JK they have a such strong mentality and will !!! they can do anything for their passion and ARMY and no one can control them.
Hybe has been quiet not creating any dramas like MHJ but keeping a poker face to play their cards correctly at the right time proves that they have enough strong evidences against her... also the fact if she is making NJ believe they can not do without her proves she is definitely not in for her work n NJ but solely for money. She herself is laying all her cards down or showing them not realising that she is cutting the very branch she is sitting on. She is a manipulator and uses people for her own reasons is how she comes across to me.
Broh if she wants NJ then fone let her take them but after paying back every penny Hybe has spent on them. I don't see why they should get to enjoy everything from HYBE's money and then go against them. MHJ can take NJ and leave, just payback every money she took from BSH, and every penny that Hybe spent on NJ becauee of which they even got where they are!
Unfortunately, if MHJ gets fired ( I hope she will) and NJ wants to leave with her, I say let them go. It is a HARD lesson to learn in life who to trust and not trust especially in an industry that takes advantage of naive, desperate souls/young people. They and their parents can make it on their own. I don't know what the parents are thinking. I guess all the " privileges" that NJ bought home ( ex money) are blinding them. MHJ just needs to go.
I feel so bad for New Jeans. They are being used for personal gain. What kind of person does that? Also, what right does she have to go snooping into the BTS area? The truth of what she has done will come out to show everybody what she did. 💜💜💜🤟🇺🇸💜💜💜💜
Just read the Patreon notes you posted. She's the definition of 'lost it'. The arguments, even from some of the 'best in the country' are weak, and immature. They are def running on her script. I feel sorry for them because they have to do as the client requests. The poor women of NJ are caught in the middle of this garbage.
10:45 to be honest, I wish I could say that I agree with that, but I don’t, I don’t think these girls can succeed on their own, they are all too young and too new into this industry, without guidance they won’t make it. That guidance doesn’t have to be MHJ, but since the very inception of this group has never been abt these girl’s own artistry and everything abt MHJ vision and mediaplay, no one should be telling these girls they can just make it on their own. They can’t, not yet, bc until now no mentor around them has prepared them or challenged them to become more autonomous.
Yes, I agree at the point they are now they don't look good, bc she made them hadicaped, she didn't mentor them, she made them dependant, to the point that they didn't grow for two year, and I don't mean literally or on fame and numbers, but menaly they are stuck a little, if you have group that girls were trainee and are 2 years in industry and they go and "cry to momy bc somebody was rude" (and momy I mean Mhj), it shows how much control this women have, they didn't let them grow for 2 years. And I think it will be hard when they cut her out, I think the girls will be lost mentaly, they may do their part in singing and dancing, follow directions, etc, but rest...
It might be an unpopular or might be a popular opinion that artists who could create or producing their work/creative creation are the ones who have highest probability to stay afloat in industry, even so if they possessed ‘warrior mentality’. Why? Because most industry contain pretty harsh environment therefore being able to be your own brain must be accompanied with ‘idgaf about hater’ mindset. No one should stop you if you have more positive things to offer even when some people can only ever focus on small percentage of your imperfections. As long as the imperfections are nothing criminal for me then nobody should judge and decide if you’re worth breaking or bullied or worthless than criminals. And to be very honest, the boys are the suitable example for this topic. May this become a new perspective to add to be learned✌🏼 Btw i like the way you present your contents ~
I just hope New Jeans gets a re-education by Hybe and set for a new debut at the start of the year when things have cooled. Enough time to learn the humility needed to show that they are able to learn and grow within the company. I'm pretty sure they are going down with the ship though. Idk how Hybe will be able to present them in a way that doesn't involve judgment from what she did. Unfortunate but true. From now on New Jeans will be tagged as her product. Its really sad she's taking them down with her. I'm not sure I see a way out of the tailspin now. The court of public opinion reigns and MHJ is becoming a very despised person. She's poking the bear. Army is def all in on this. I doubt it though. These girls are most likely going to go down with that woman though and that's sad. There's a pretty good lesson here though. Also, dude, Bang PD did the right thing. I can't even imagine what this woman could've done if he had acknowledged. It could be way way worse. High level executives don't even gotta know your name. Corporate settings usually involve many tiers and you go through HR. You never expect these busy and important people to have time randomly. I mean WHAT? Plenty of times I was in an elevator with the high ups. I smiled then looked at the floor while waiting patiently until my floor. They were always distracted and in a hurry. I would die just thinking about me attempting to derail them just to aknowledge me. Whew. I mean, is Korea so different than the US? Someone help me out here.
Now, I no longer have doubts about who was behind the sh*tstorm BTS and ARMY experienced in 2016 which came from the direction of SM Ent and the fandom of a certain group she was in charge of at the time whose popularity was beginning to be eclipsed by BTS. The same patterns of accusations and smear campaigns and the weird claim of people copying her.
To think that new jeans was on their way to become one of the most famous girl groups and mhj just ruined it for them. I can't see them moving past this. Its sad because the girls are being dragged into this of no fault of their own. To think if mhj didn't do any of this new jeans still would have been ive's biggest competitor. Now ive's path is cleared. I don't see nj recovering from this any time soon.
I want to know what koreans are actually thinking abt ger now after this news. Atleast now are they able to clear their minds of the emotional drama she created.
8:28 main point. forget MHJ's deflections and twisting of truth. This is what MHJ wanted to hide. 9:51 If NJ cannot be removed from the situation, it is because MHJ dragged them in from the start and dragged them in further for her own survival now. If NJ was tricked (or even willingly tempted by greed), that could leave a bad impression and make you think why you should keep helping someone ungrateful. As other groups have expressed (despite their fans accusing HYBE), joining HYBE was very good for them (and that's even though they blew up less than NJ, they still felt joining HYBE was good for them). Now, MHJ was ungrateful and plotted against the hand that fed her. If she gave the same image to NJ (or if NJ did willingly side with her), then they are invovled and we can only blame MHJ. Also, the parents are motivated by desire to protect their daughters (aka self interest, aka greed). The parents certainly acted ungrateful and sided with MHJ because she is in direct control of the group. The parents are just FOMOing and anything MHJ tells them they believe. This is because the parent links NJ's success to MHJ's success, which is why MHJ can manipulate them so easily because HYBE has many groups, but MHJ only has 1 group, so she can easily trick the parents into thinking she cares about NJ. Ofc, reality is she doesn't care, and NJ is her money making tool and a part of her plan. If NJ cannot be removed from this scandal, it is also because of the parents being ungrateful, greedy, and fearful. Typical ppl who get tricked. Now, I certainly hope NJ was actually grateful, but MHJ is sly and manipulative and humans are by default self-serving, so if they actually thought like their parents and treated HYBE as an enemy, then it makes sense they will get treated the same. After all, it hurts more to be betrayed by someone indebted to you than by a stranger. NJ isn't HYBE's friend or relative, so HYBE has no reason to give them another chance if they are scared NJ became tainted/branwashed by MHJ. Since MHJ is doing brainwashing and grooming, it is very difficult to undo the brainwashing. But if they aren't your friends/relatives, why would anyone go through that trouble of undoing that brainwashing in order to give them another chance? NJ already became so rich so young, I hope they were grateful and weren't tainted by MHJ's greedy thoughts.
World Tour, a Grammy. After 2yrs. OMG!!!. Her riding the coat tail of BTS must have made NJ a lot more marketable. All I know is that it was not completely from her own creative ideas. I truly hate abusers, users and thieves. #Love_HYBEBTS #Praying
Cuando los chicos de Bts no eran nadie en sus comienzos , nadie sabe lo que ellos pasaron y siempre soportaron callados , quien de ellos hizo un escandalo por cualquier insignificancia ? Pasaron hambre ,durmieron mal , sufrieron frio ,hasta el punto que casi se separan , y estoy segura que fue por falta de recursos economicos ,y todo eso lo superaron ,ahora miren quienes son ,!!!! Y ahora me van a decir que por un saludo que no le hizo un jefe que les esta generando millones, donde le pusieron todo en bandeja de plata se van a traumatizar y se va a crear un caos metal y sicologico?noooo ,,,, JEFE NO ME SALUDE MIENTRAS ME HAGA MILLONARIA 😂😂😂😂😂 por eso soy un Army orgullosa de mis chicos a prueba de balas,, BTS POR SIEMPRE 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 es mi opinion sin ofender ❤
I thought Korea is a developed country, it is so funny to hear for one of CEO of big company tried to manipulate people by demon tale. She is suitable to be a skript writter for horror Korean Drama, isnt she? 😂😅
The whole shaman craziness was brought to court not only to proof that she was sharing confidential information with outsiders but also to show that a disturbed person like her not fit to work as CEO (another reason to dismiss her).
SEVERAL NOTES:
1- There is a question on what made the judge say "let's stick to legal issues". It pertains to the Shaman. When Hybe's lawyer talked about the influence of the shaman on Min Heejin's decision, the court eventually said "let's stick to legal issues."
2- The court says they will accept more pieces of evidence until the 24th.
3- Yes, I am aware of the kakaotalk messages that allegedly came from the court hearing. yes, there are messages there where MHJ called one of the members fat. I chose not to include it because it came from one source, one reporter. This reporter has a good track records but still, it just came from him. until it is verified, I will not completely trust it.
4. Someone asked about HYBE CEO saying he will give NJ 1.5 years of a break. That is not accurate. He was asked if they will overwork NJ like other groups who barely get vacation time. NJ is known for getting vacations every 2 months. HYBE CEO said they will give them enough rest. In fact, after this promotion, they will get a break. The 1.5 years pertains to the length of time they have to wait once they sign a Grammy winning producer. It seems they want to get a song in the US that will have a chance at winning a Grammy. HYBE CEO said it takes 1.5 years of wait which is true. If you want a real good producer, it takes that long. It may be shorter if you are like a Beyonce or a BTS because producers want to work with them but if you are not that caliber, it will take 1.5 years and even longer.
The information you provide here is top notch.
The going to a 'Sharman can be seen as illegal as discussing company business with an 3rd party (un authorized party). That could be a breach of contract issue especially if it was used to discuss ways to undermine the company or de fraud it. To do something illegal eg steal from the company.
Didn't MHJ share sensitive information to the Shaman? I think it's important to point that out.
@@bqanto agreed.
They are use to getting a vacation every two months?!!! Wow! Well, they're going to love this "vacation!"
Thank you for the updates!
The single most important fact today in the hearing is that Hybe PROVED WITH RECEIPTS their claim NHJ approached other investors and had talks about aquiring Adore from Hybe. Anything else is a side issue. She breeched trust and broke company policy with that single act alone. This should be grounds for her immediate dismissal.
I agree, this is evidence, while MHJ presented "fears" and "feelings" so just one big cloud of smoke covering emptiness of her nonexistent arguments.
I am so released to hear this. Thank you. Who do you follow to get this news?
@@denisetenny4529 follow Korean newspapers
Actually speaking from a business perspective, what she did was not illegal.
What she did is what we call a hostile takeover or a ‘coup d’etat’, it’s allowed but it can involve a lack of trust between shareholders.
@@chertje55 I think you're going to find the opposite is true.
I have been waiting for some news so thank you so much for this. I feel positive for Hybe after hearing this. I sincerely hope that they get an injunction so they can proceed with the shareholders meeting and fire her. I agree with you her attitude towards these young girls is atrocious and not at all mother like. Apart from always bringing their name up and their parents to support her defence, if she has convinced them that they won’t succeed without her, how mentally deflating is that to them. Her ego if she actually believes this is out of this world. They are extremely talented young girls and will succeed much better with correct mentors. Another wait but as Army we are getting quite used to waiting. Thank you for your insight and thoughts on the matter. 💜
Yes, we ARMY know how to wait. But our 7 men left a bouquet of memories and gifts to help us get thru their absence. MHJ leaves only bad tastes and smells.
How ironic that evidence can be submitted until the 24th!!!!! The judges must be busy that day listening to RM's album release! 😂😂😂😂
@@nataliacoggins6769lol this comment made me smile
She wants to stop HYBE from firing her now after all the chaos that she did and she think without her NJ will fail? I don't know about anyone but if these claims is not enough for people to stop taking her side, then I question your judgements in life.
There’s no way they could keep her because she’s not trustworthy and or honest. Geez
Since "Cookie" if people keep supporting her they are being purposely blind. After ETA they are just being entitled.
exactly
The reason why she's so insecure is that New Jeans is re-creatable. Remember NJ success is her only card in HYBE. But since HYBE can basically just create another girl group that could rival NJ.
As someone who thinks too highly of herself, that was a massive blow.
Also, I wonder of she's behind the "New jeans is next BTS"
There's nothing special about NJ besides their fresh music and talent, and they dident build up an strog fandom to back up them so they can easily create a group as talented as NJ and give them the same music
10:40 I agree with this. Artists should be respected because of their artistry. If their fans really believe New Jeans is that great, then they should be confident that the group can exist without MHJ and her concepts. This is really what irks me. I've seen people claiming they support New Jeans so they support MHJ like it's the most sensible equation, without even looking objectively at the tirades she's done and how she practically dragged New Jeans in the mud with her to save herself.
As a bunny, this fandom has been fighting since day 1 to protect this girls from exploitation, so it really boggles my mind that people who like new jeans support this woman after she throws them in the middle of the heat on her conference disguised as care for the girls.
Alot of things has been exposed but I am the most upset about her sharing private interactions with the girls while the girls are in their vulnerable state disguising herself as a mother it's freaking disgusting, she seeks ally with a bunch of minors and hides behind them knowing nwjns is Koreans sweetheart and it works, but for what cause? She involve a bunch of minors to a personal level on a big issue, which not only bring them pressure and it could also affect their relationship with other groups that mhj involved and the company who provides for them, by making it clear that the girls are on her side and ofcourse that means they agree with everything that she said.
I would never be on her side with that alone, hybe is a trash company just like any big corporation out there and i don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but even the trash company knows better than to involve the girls like mhj did, all they did is exposed her trying to sabotage hybe after they trust her like damn they gave her a company, gave her new jeans and is the most paid employee in hybe, ofcourse her leaving is betrayal after they invest so much to her
@@Spiderpunkrockseven hybe already warning her about using NJ as her shield by claiming they and their parents are on her side and that they crying for her. I really don't get it how can their fans not seing all of her BS. Hybe only sue her for breach of trust, but she drag NJ with their allegedly "unfair treatment " (wich actually proven to be untrue), not accepting greeting, etc in this whole mess to gain public sympathy as "NJ mother". Now even NJ sent petition for her, idk how these kids will react to MHJ fat shaming, double face chat that released only one day after they submit petition siding with her.
Imo for BTS, i think one of the many contributors for having this kind of mentality of not giving up, and relaying and having faith towards each other is that they grew in this industry facing so many hardships. Clthey come from the bottom... Bighit didn't baby them, and let them grow as artists... That's why what ever happen they know how to handle things, with or without BangPd help. Even the CEO of BigHit trust BTS with the music and art they will create.
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Bang pb is an father figure for BTS. He himself said he is only comfortable with BTS because it his group & to him they are like his own family. He allowed them to do whatever they want.He will not tolerate BTS any scratches if BTS gets more downgraded.
Given the information Hybe gave to the court, I think that Min Heejin is in big trouble. I hope Bunnies, the girls and their parents wake up and realize that Min Heejin will destroy New Jeans. She may have helped them creatively reach their current success but she is not the only reason they are where they are. Telling them this is like saying they are not real artists with talent. This is so harmful to them. I believe these young girls should be left out of this and protected from a person who is only using them
seems to me that this awful woman has resorted to SM old mentorship ways with New Jeans. also, As talented as new Jeans seem to be, I don't know much about them. Do any of them play an instrument, do they participate, in any way, of developing and /or picking their music? After listening to bubblegum ( apt. name), and the other song, I hope not as it sounds like canned girl K pop. I hope better people take care of these girls. They have worked hard.
I suspected Hybe had something bigger they were going to go to court with, and boy did they! In fact I think the info about Naver and the other investor sort of ties Hybe's claim up in a pretty Purple bow. I believe we will see the end of this very soon, and unfortunately, unless the girl's parents are staying quiet because Hybe has told them too , I think they'll be finished. Maybe they will get picked and put with different company and group of girls?
Even if mhj stopped working with the girls,hybe can still manage to give success to nwjs.hybe is really good at having good songs & concepts.the only thing I don’t like about bang pd is creating less talent groups but I still listen to hybe music without following artists
@@LPnerdIf you think im a logic and cold way, the hoatus can be for them to be send to rehab in order to go over their conditioning but you will have to be a better human been than me in order to trust them with huge promotions since day one after this, they have been conditioned and if they do not break free of it the moment they feel any freedom can ruin themselves running to their groomer.
The concern about conditioning is valid and the members (and parents) won’t be able to understand reality as long as they are in an echo chamber environment. I wonder if Ador employees have been conditioned by MHJ. To see this happening to anyone, but especially to minors and very young adults is awful. I hope they will accept any support HYBE offers them.
If she really cared about the girls, she wouldn't have done all this nonsense! The fact that she always takes credits for the girls' hard work, complaining about the fact that NJ got paid more than her, is very telling! She doesn't care about the girls. She wants full control to rip them off! The parents better wake up fast! I hope that HYBE wins and fires her ass! As for NJ, they need to realize that Bang PD is their boss! The world does not evolve around them! I think that their instant success might have gone way over their head!
MHJ has been claiming that other girl groups are copying her NJ, but isn't the act of digging info about BTS and using it for her devious plan worse? 🙄
It's kinda confirming that she's behind all the smear attack and hate towards BTS recently. This woman should be examined by psychiatrist, she's clearly out of her mind.
Hybe didn't make stuff up, they just presented facts
Thank you for updating us on the situation. I always wait for you as you’re the only one I trust to give us the right information. I shudder to think how our seven are coping mentally with all this going on. I’m sure they are ok it still it can’t be easy. I think now for the first time, I’m glad they’re in the Military. 💜
Bang does not like how the girls of NJ are still immature and possess no value of music or their future if they are content being MHJ group rather tan artist with musical talent. They are just performers at this point. Very good performers who have used BTS as a total model on.stage to engage a foreign audience. MHJ mission to me was to create that other BTS in female version. She took everything she could take from what is most popular about BTS and passed it on NJ. The bunny, the door, the key, the nystery in omg is their hyyh. It's not done by every hybe group, but they follow bts steps in concepts to attract an audience in stages of growth that worked for bts. MHJ is a branded. She functioned like AI or Google search to select top trends to make NJ style and merch. I have never seen so many stuffed animals for an idol group. They are not cartoons or have characters that I know about. NJ store is full of stuffed bunnies in multiple colors. The most popular in BTS has a bunny alter ego. NJ is designed to be that transition group where you have the comforts of BTS without being too obvious about, 'if you like BTS, you will like NJ,' is exactly how NJ is setup to appeal to ARMY.
No way EVER !! ARMY is ONLY with BTS ! Even the new fresh ARMY are BTS ONLY FANS.
I agree. I got HYYH vibes from NJ from the get go.
It is the attitude !
The attitude guys! BTS will always win. There will never ever be another group like BTS! Boys or Girls group. BTS is that unreachable star. The only one in the whole UNIVERSE!
@@celiabirung3524 Thats why BTS are the only ones called PHENOMENON
that would never work, true armys only stay by BTS's side
I know i can count on you for the Facts.
Thank you for all your hard work to bring us all these updates
Borahae 💜
Her arguments don’t address any of the issues raised by the actual complaint. It seems like she’s using NJ as a shield and a sword to protect herself from criticism but also as a victim. And if the legally stated reasons are her view then she should be their manager doesn’t mean she should be the CEO of the label. I feel bad for both NJ and the parents as she’s manipulating them all for her purpose and the quotes shared support that.
Yeah, but gaslighting receipts made public by Hybe shows MHJ in writing stating - NJ success is because of her, not NJ (hello, MHJ basically saying they aren't talented) and "it's hard to treat them as artists". Geez, I wonder how NJ and their parents feel to being used as a media tool by MHJ?
As I said with Army over and over, many who were frustrated with the "slow" response of defending BTS, Hybe IS working hard to defend BTS and themselves!!!!! They had receipts to show how nasty MHJ was toward BTS, they waited for her next false court allegation to present the defense and receipts to the public in a respectful manner!!!!! Boom, as Army I fully support Hybe!!!!!!
May 24th, with the release of RM's album, cannot come quickly enough!
@@nataliacoggins6769Since the group made it big she has been saying that, that it is her group, her vision, her talent, her and only her the one that make it successfull.
@@belaytriks yes it's all about her and not the girls themselves. Hold on miss min without the girls you wouldn't even have a job.
She's using everything as a shield right now. She's a frantic cat throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. It doesn't even have to make sense.
I have a question. Does evidence in a Korean court work the same as in the USA with regard to hearsay, incredible, irrelevant, and immaterial evidence? Cuz Min Hee Jin walked in there with a boat load of it.
@@nataliacoggins6769exactly! They wanted them to fight in the court of public opinion but HYBE chose to let actual physical courts handle her.
Based on what has been disclosed in court so far, I understand why HYBE got ahead of this situation by releasing information to the public first. Korea netizens and fans are very out spoken and quickly react to any information. The court of public opinion is very strong. Both HYBE and MHJ know this. That's why we are witnessing basically 2 battles. The true legal process and the public tactics. MHJ press conference played on the hearts of the public even though most of it was basically "they hurt my feelings and I didn't get what I want" vs. actual facts. Even with the facts coming out in the courts, she is still basically saying, "I didn't get what I wanted, and they are mean." In my opinion, her attachments to NJ are a great example of why a group should have a few young adults in the group to protect them from manipulative tactics. Sorry for rambling. I was just disappointed and disgusted by MHJ actions.
Yes! A I said the same thing the full group shouldn't be so young and close in age, there should be few older, and if nit there should be young menager around too, there is always few menagers, so one should be younger maybe to easier connects and see world better... But yeah when you think about it most groups in kpop started with maknae that was young like JK, like Taemin, (I honestly don't know more groups xD) but they were 14/15 but they had people in bands that were at different time of growing like going back to BTS you had JK and Jin that took care of him, Jin was making food and driving JK to school, no menagers or CEO, they were for each other when school ended, they gone do JK are RM graduation, they wake up and send Suga for his test at the end of high school, and Jin made lunch, we don't know how this younger members in grouos would be today if they didn't have older members that understand the world and looked at the world a little different. But let's be honest this girls have parents that are involved in their carrires and they don't see it, they don't look from outside perspective. When JHope had problems with hate at the begining his mother didn't go to Bang and started complaining and demanding, she said to Hobi that make he needs break and to come home for few days... I remember when Suga said that his mother told him that he is shown too little, and he should do something about it or talk to Bang, and He said to her that it dosen't matter as long bands looks good in TV or show and also of course they will show more energetic members and that he dosen't care, but in the end Bang saw it himself this was one of the reason they started Run BTS and Army bombs bc they could control that all members are showed...
I honestly don't understand this parents bc it looks like they also don't believe that their kids can survive in industry....
@magdalenagabrowska8169 Exactly. Not to mention, V was ignored by Bang for 2 years. I can see the members telling him it's ok because Bang is a busy man .
The sad part of all this is that New jeans fans see HYBE as the enemy
The big label with money stepping on a poor woman!
As an outsider looking in, it's my impression that SK is a patriarchal society. As such, I'm always happy to hear when a woman has been placed in a position of power. To see one of these women pull this victim nonsense is incredibly disappointing. That interview she conducted was especially disappointing. The poor little helpless me, look what they're doing to me, I'm such a victim just set my teeth on edge. I understand that the mental attitude and general society values of east vs west are different but I'm still disappointed that so many people believed her little act!
And mind you that put a step back into what women were fighting a long time for… She basically played into that stereotype of women being mentally unstable and not fit into positions of power…
For many years, I've only been interested in BTS. No one else gives me so much great music and a sense of well-being. Their work is meaningful, high-quality, authorial. The content of the lyrics is literally psychotherapy. How can anyone think that ARMY wants to support teenage girls with music for "bunnies" of the same age? Such a person completely misunderstood who BTS is for ARMYs and vice versa.
The fact is, some of NJ's lyrics- and remember, these are underage girls- are, not explicit, but overtly sexual. Google the 'Cookie' lyrics and you'll see what I mean.
She's basically brainwashing NJ'S and their parents into thinking they can't succeed without her and trying to harm BTS by gaining access to their financial information! Also, the fact that she was trying to hire an assistant but wanting that person to be possessed by the spirit of her deceased sister is very disturbing!!
MHJ is a sick and twisted individual. She needs to go!
對高層主管打招呼，沒有得到高層主管的回應，居然也是申訴的理由?!
那麼無數職場人都應該提出申訴了!
Exactly! 😂
Right?
Hahahahaha! I could be a .millionaire if this is the trend! Better yet I could sit IN BOARD MEETINGS AND DICTATE WHAT I like! That easy Eh?
It seems like a ridiculous matter for them to bring up but I think the intention was to convey that BSH was jealous of NJ's success and was, at that time, impeding their progress in favour of promoting his new group. Alleging that he Ignored the group in person would in a way contribute to the validity of the larger accusation.
@@WildberryABThat is far-fetched because what is "jealous of NJ's success" mean when Bang PD is the man behind the success of BTS and the owner of this empire called HYBE? 😂 That argument is childish tbh.
MHJ is like one of those house guest who set the home owner's house on fire. After all the pain and mess, she deserves to get fired. And all her claims are so childish!
I agree that the statement NJs can't succeed without Min isn't the right way to conduct business, nor mentor young people. They can be guided by more experienced people, but their success is within themselves. this whole case seems to be selfish.
Thanks for the real information. I really am enjoying your reviews of this not many use facts in there discussions.
Are they serious?!?! They sue BangPD because he didn't greet them?!!?🤯 can one bring this up in court !?!?
What's sad is, he probably didn't know who they were or he would have greeted them.
Same as v hahaha
I mean she can bring it up, most important is why she would say it? You have to think from her side why her lawyers used this as argument when for most people it seems riduculus.. there is few reasons, one shevsaid NJ can't be without her, showing that chairman ignored them and how they were sad and hiw they feld in texts and that they come to her, it is to show she has bond with them and if she is gone they were left alone with people that ignore them. two is to show that the hybe heads don't care about her group. Three to show it is bad environment to leave them in their hands. This is little stupid point her side made that goes back to points that NJ, needs them, the parents and girls want her, and that the company will put them on break if she is gone. It seems stupid but it is strategy... Ehh
Simply because they are spoiled brats. Always wants attention.
And ungrateful @@LovelyGirl-f8w
Huge appreciation for your update. Thank you!
So after all this discontent she is creating she does not want to get fired by HYBE?....she is so infuriatingly boldface!🙄
First it was... it's a slave contract, and I won't be able to leave Hybe.
Now, it's... I'm suing you, so Hybe can't fire me because I don't want to leave.
😂😂😂
Ohh she wants to leave but with NJ and money, if they make her leave now she lost everything and in theory access to them too (but in reality she still could do things behind with parents etc) but if she stay and make Comeback with them shows that all thanks to her, bc she is there, she will look good in theory and then she would makes move to leave on their own with the girls contracts bc they are "team" and they need her, even tho we don't know bc there wasen't a moment the girl were without her, so how do we know that she is really needed. So yeah this is why she wants to be there still, also even if girls would leave with her it is too much money to buy them out, no matter what kind of money she would find she wouldn't have resorces to send them on tour, without Hybe capital and connections, etc. It is all strategy. You have to remember this is "temprary postponment" what she is asking from judge sooo she wants to get few months to prepared again for leave on better terms, do more chaos for sure, and maybe have even stronger hold on girls, then at the time they will be firing her...
@@zeyv4551 yep her logic is non existent one wonders if she even remembers what lies she's told. "Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive" come's to mind.
@@magdalenagabrowska8169 She wouldn't be able to take them with her because their contract is with HYBE and she would have to pay out millions to HYBE to get them out of their contract.
Thank you very much for this update. This exposes MHJ as someone who really plans to undermine Hybe to be able to make Ador breakaway. I guess this is also the reason why MHJ has been using the media and people's emotion to sway support her way. If anything, MHJ is holding New Jeans hostage, and this is not something that is for their favor which is opposite of what MHJ is saying she cares about New Jeans. One thing though, there are alot of toxic bunnies out and I feel even more pain for ILLIT as they are still getting so much hate despite their obvious talent.
It is just also sad where people are just hating on HYBE being this evil corporation but that is the nature of the business and New Jeans got an easier route but then again, they are talented and they will do good even without MHJ.
Thanks for the update..looking forward for more on the later date..
what truly bewildered me is; there’s always a bad article in media like koreaboo or (everything that has PANN on its name) about illit and le sserafim after a hybe vs mhj feud. poor gurls
both are blocked in my X-timeline
@@TomsMusicCorner 👏 Smart!
Yes most of the new jeans fans follow those sites and also one youtube channel kookielit or something
@@user1234-ol7mz Kookielit and that lawyer guy really exposed themselves.
Lots of channels took the wrong side and will have to deal with KARMA. 💜
what going thru my mind everytime those groups pop up on my timeline: we’re (s t i l l) not done with them?
Yep, all very normal behaviour by a CEO. Wow……. NJ need to get away from her, she’s got some issues
yep, It's called money hungry.
"NewJeans says that they cannot do anything without MHJ and want to continue to work with her."
Already a Diva outlook with what? Hahahahaha! Even BTS was ignored by many during their debut days! BTS did NOT have what NJ had on the onset ! The audacity! No matter how talented you are if EGO comes first, you're a failure from the start. No amount of talent can compensate with attitude! BTS bows down ti thier fans. Respects their elders but never kowtow to money or power. President Biden of the United States of America said , you continue to do what have been doing for.the youth of the world. And that my dears is the most powerful man on earth trusting BTS..... I REST MY CASE! Your turn.
@@celiabirung3524 very well said 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Could it be that MHJ also sought the Shaman's powers to "cast a spell" on the girls to make them completely dependent on her..? (The reason they feel they CAN'T be successful without her) 🤭😢
Бан Ши Хек учил бантан самостоятельности. Не зря он сказал, что им надо попробовать себя в сольной деятельности. Он никогда не прикрывая ими. Да возможно были неудачи, неурядицы, разногласия, но он относился к ним как к равным. Они находили компромисс. Вот это по настоящему. Кто то будет говорить, что ребята работали как сумасшедшие, но думаю, что и он и весь стаф тоже не сидели сложа руки. В любом случае Мин Хи Джин не должна вовлекать в свои разборки никого из артистов.
I agree. I think BPD and BigHit are unfairly villainized. They e had disagreements but all parties seem good at compromising. Bang isn’t given enough credit for how he changed K-pop for the better. He’s a visionary. No one else is in BtS’s shoes with how independent they are.
If HYBE's claims are proven true, MHJ seems to be mentally unstable, her behaviour is not that of a rational person.
She also seems way too personally possessive of NJ, rather than behaving as a professional, ie, crippling them by encouraging them to be overly reliant on her.
Thank you for your update and for sticking to the facts!
If all HYBE’s claims are true she might as well get a jail time, so she would no be able to keep mentoring NJ anyway.
A group of experts should evaluate her mental state and give their expert opinion to the court 🤷♀️
I get the feeling that she's living vicariously through these girls. Like she dreamt of being an idol herself as a little girl, and maybe even tried out but didn't debut. So she's determined to re-live her dream through NWjns. (I'm just speculating)
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For believing a shaman?
When I look how people in the US believe in Christ I see little difference.
Remember that the SK president is not living in the Blue House because a shaman told him to.
IU's label had a warning from a shaman that told them they would have a very successfull artist and when that happens to move out of the building as soon as possible. They did with IU, moved and the building collapsed soon after.
For SK that is as normal as the believe in Christ is for example all over the US.
@@ruthfischer7615 a shaman 🤣 ... no, not bcs of that person ... she has other more other butter on her head 😄 ... that butter a company will put on it's bread 🤷♀️
Thank you for the updates. Love it soecially hearing it from you, a reliable source. More power and God bless.
The ignore thing. They did not say when that happened. Not sure how Bang would tell them apart from the hug number of dancers and trainees. There is also the fact that he never works with them to talk or recognize them on a regular. We also know that Bang PD was like this for V in the past until he started working with them regularly and seeing them regularly. Imagine how many trainees and idols Bang saw come and go over the years. Part of it might be a natural protective filter. But if this was recent like this week, he shouldn't speak to them at all while in legal deliberations
Another thing that people should realize, Mr. Bang is the CHAIRMAN of HYBE.
HYBE has many companies located in USA, South America and Japan. There are thousands of employees and hundreds of artists. Mr. Bang doesn't work 9-5 in office.
But it isn't really important, it dosen't matter when it happened. It shouldn't never be talked about it should stay in the elevator like "hmm he ignored me, ah dosen't matter" and you move on. BUT it what is important is that the girl/girls did big deal of this, and there are text, this is from her side ammunition to show that ceo and chairman don't care about them, that they are ignored, and if she leave they will be in bad position bc nobody cares about them. It dosen't matter that it is dumb to be hung on on this, but it makes sens for her case, she is showing that she is needed bc without her the girls will be alone and sad and ignored, etc, and no saing "hello" in elevator is example.
So yeah for us normal people it is stupid to even talk about it, but for her side it builds narration that every one suck expect her bc she is like mother to them.... Yuck
I mean shouldn't he still acknowledge them or answer their greeting, like if someone great u won't you answer??(idk how the situation actually was,maby the parents just mad a big deal of it but if its true , it dosent make sense to not answer s.o great no matter how strange they are)
Thankyou for your intelligent feedback🎉
Thanks for the updates... I like the way you explain everything.GOD BLESS....
How embarrassing for the parents to say they are nothing with out MJH. Even if it was true! These young ladies are suppose to be a group and believe in their talent! It makes them out to be totally manufactured and the parents lack common sense
Lovely as the girls seems, they are a manufactured product and have 5 year or so left on their contract with the company. For the better or worse the girls and their fanbase are tightly knit with MJH and Ador. If the girls ends up spending their remaining years on a "long vacation" whatever talents and potensial they have will not matter much as they are not working. They would indeed be nothing as far as being kpop idols goes and long replaced and forgotten by the time their contracts runs out
NJ should understand that their success is THEIR hard work and talent. PERIOD. If they're believing otherwise, then they weren't being guided by a true mentor!!!!! I believe that with someone else, they will not only do much better, but will enjoy long term success!
Agree, present evidence at last minute, leaves no room for defense or rebuttal…
Thank you for the update !
I am just back from looking at the Korean comments below a report of the court proceedings and the way the opinions (mainly Korean) have taken a 180 degree turn is shocking and I have to say they are ruthless, both in supporting and abusing people! This gives me reasons to not trust popular Korean opinions at all. There seems to be nothing in the world as fickle as those! Korea really will make an interesting study for such cases!
In my opinion they are very emotional..which is not necessarily bad but they tend to reject facts the moment tears are shed
Really ?? Have koreans finally realised min hee jin's drama?
@@user1234-ol7mz I wouldn't say they have completely changed their opinions but those who have, seem to be ruthlessly attacking Min Hee Jin when they were defending her just two days back. I am the last person to support Min Hee Jin but the intensity with which they defend people and the very next day attack the same person with the same intensity is a lot to take for me! It is as if there is no grey for them or no space for nuance at all. It is either black or white!
I hope the Korean court is impartial and will take into account only the evidence, not tears and emotions!!!!!!
Yeah they are brutal. The Korean comments under lesseraphim videos are also brutal. I feel bad for the girls. No wonder so many kpop celebrities unalive themselves.
I do appreciate the way you analyze the arguments on hand. It was very clear and easier to understand for people who are not into the laws of SK. Malinaw na malinaw. Thank you and God bless you.
I am LIVING for this Game Of Thrones-esque drama. Thank you for this video! Imma get on Patreon for more of this content.
Let's keep LIVING without this kind of drama! 😘
Sean at Seoulite spelled out how Hybe might be forced to put NJ on Hiatus in response to MJH calculated plans, if that happens ultimately would be her fault
He’s, there are reasons
NJ should be on hiatus. If they go out in public to perform, be on shows, etc. they will get a lot of looks, questions, and more publicity than they want. Plus I am sure many other idols are side-eying them now hearing all these " little, princessy" complaints. These teenage idols from other companies are probably thinking "You think that is mean/ hard, well let me tell you some stories...." LOL
I truly 🙏 that New Jeans can recover from the gaslighting this vile woman has done to them. The entertainment industry is so hard even for adults, now you have very very young naive, girls that have only had this narcissist as their mentor. They don't even seem to have bonds or mentors in any other groups in HYBE as MJH as isolated them to the top floor, and she has brain washed them to see other groups not as colleagues but as "threats"..They can't even turn to their parents as Master Manipulator MJH had gaslighted their parents😢.
Well said! As troublesome as it is, I'm glad we finally understand all of this. We now have a chance to protect the girls!
@@Sherluck93 Which is what bunnies should have been doing all along, instead of siding with that woman
@@BlessingOgunleye-n7m Of course, I hope they will understand and appreciate that Army always had their back.
@@BlessingOgunleye-n7m Thing is they were used and manipulated by her programmed to believe only what miss Min said. It's so sad. Now those girls fooled and used by this women must feel really lost and confused. Once she's gone I think it would be good if ARMY could all play just one of their songs an least once in 24hours. Maybe leave them a message that we don't blame them and we are all wishing the well.
@@eileencritchley4630 That's the sweet Army spirit I so love💜🙏
Thank you for your coverage. This is very interesting.
Bye bye New Jeans. It has been an amazing time in kpop with the ushering the 5th generation, and it is never the young people’s fault. But once the parents take sides they have put the nail in that coffin. So sad.
Thank you for shedding clarity on this matter 💜💜💜💜
I don't understand why NJ and their parents are standing behind her. Maybe NJ as they've known her for so long and were very young when they started, but their parents? If HYBE is able to get rid of MHJ (which with the current evidence, lets hope so) and they support her until the end I feel like that will likely end their career too.Edited to add; I'm not saying it should but with them saying they can't do it without her I don't see how it wouldn't.
I mean it’s known that MHJ not only has a close relationship with the members (that lie outside of their ACTUAL JOBS) but also with their parents. I believe in MHJs interviews before NJs debuted she would mention how close she is with the members & their family/parents. She stepped out of line. What kind of “employer” goes to their employees houses, has dinners and close time with the family themselves?
@@patriciamezarina2496That was in her plan all along. This woman is very manipulative if you think about it.
Thank you for the update. More power. 🥰
The best thing for them is to lay low with the hiatus and let all this mess die down. Let MHJ go her own way, whether that's to prison or just out the door. Then, during that time, NJ can become part of the Hybe culture, where they can interact with other groups, learn skills like songwriting and producing - which is highly encouraged by Hybe for their artists. And then come back with fresh music, more mature minds and a better chance at long-term success as real artists, and not just MHJ's puppets. It's really unfortunate that they think they can't do anything without MHJ - she was actually holding them back from their full potential by not letting them socialize with other successful groups in Hybe and not taking advantage of their belonging to the #1 entertainment company in Korea.
Most of them do have song writing credits.
@@ruthfischer7615But not music production or choreography credits. That's when you have reached your artist status beyond songwriting credits. Some Twice members have even written their own songs. Soyeon in Gi-dle and Wonyoung in IVE.
TXT is both credited for songwriting and music production like Beomgyu. Even fromis_9. Then you have Seventeen, BTS and Boynextdoor.
NewJeans could not exist without Min Hee-jin is utter BS. That is what destroyed J-pop by Yasushi Akimoto. Members become manufactured dolls produced by one person. You are just a performer at that point.
@@hbrant
Choreography does not get credits? If you are lucky that is on the dance practice vid i think but I have never looked.
Production credits for someone who is not mainly a producer & that young are pretty rare. I don't know any beside Yoongi?
Like I said NJ members have - especially for their small discography - already have writing credits and I doubt they did write songs before they became trainees (they are still very young after all).
But you are right that MHJ is seemingly applieing SM Ent. rules to them, too, and treating them like dolls.
It's especially funny since an Exo-L recently told me about Exo members writing their music. Some of them have credits but not necessary under their Exo-name. In Exo it was downplayed, too.
Soyeon - I believe - was made this year a full member of the KOMCA. Congrats to her!
And this is one of the reasons why BSH wants MHJ out:
The misstreatent of NJ.
But they are young and have time to develop as artists. I think they are not quiet 2 years old and that may still count as rookies.
But they do need to get away from MHJ who destroys their potential.
I agree I feel sorry for NJ, and their parents. They have relied on what MHJ has been spoon feeding them. They have no real idea how music industry works. MHJ pampered them and they won’t know how to put in the hard work. They expect everything to be handed to them. They need an emergency mentor.
Did MHJ ever repay the money she borrowed from Bang PD to buy her shares? If not doesn’t that mean she doesn’t Truly OWN her 18% shares in Ador?
Thank you so much, as always. You are keeping us sane within the madness💜💜
I agree because new jeans is so young they should be protected but I also do think they should have consequences for their behavior and pettiness towards the person that funded them and made it possible for them to have no training debt and get paid ridiculously well and be able to live in arguably the most lavish place of any rookies.
What behaviour?
The only one they can follow is their parents - who are not there/on the phone - and MHJ - who isolated them.
Are there even friendships with other HYBE artists and trainees?
You are victim blaming.
They were groomed, it seems. I do hope they can see that MHJ was taking advantage of them but they seem so attached that they can't disconnect from her claims.
@ruthfischer7615 I think that she is talking about them suing BPD because he did not greet them! They need to remember that they work for BPD / HYBE, not the other way around! Bitting the hands that feed you never ends well!
@@kimjeon_2016
They didn't "bite".
As pointed out they are insecure. They believe their success is because of MHJ. She made sure they believe that.
That insecurity led to a question that than was taken way out of context and weaponized by MHJ.
Think of them as victims.
How long does it take for an abuse victim to realize that they are abused? That they don't deserve it? That they are strong on their own? That they are scamed/used?
Some never do.
Only 1 member of Fifty Fifty realized it and only because she read an article how she was scammed out of copyright money and than began to question what other lies she was told. I'm also under the impression she was not quiet as hit by the abuse the group went through.
NJ has no idea what is really going on. Or at least they didn't until now.
Perhaps if they follow what was recently said in court?
I wish them luck and that they get out of the target zone MHJ is pushing them into.
She really does not know her place. All those assumptions because of her is ego related and to coverup. Her points are all personal related because of her plan.
Bts had a great mentor from the start. They could find each other in music and support from the start.
I hope atleast some of the koreans who blindly believe Min Hee Jin would chance their mindset after this hearing...
No, they going to hate hybe groups more.
@@Marina-sy9ii oh man ... why cannt k netizens realise her tactics?
@@Marina-sy9ii From what I hear some K netizens have already turning their backs on MHJ and blatantly cursing at her.
You are so eloquent. It’s hard for me navigating this Min Hee Jin & HYBE brouhaha but you make it clear! Thanks for your hard work!
Thank you for keeping us updated ❤
Thank you for your updates 👍🏻 always looking forward to your positive comments 😀 Go Go Go Go
If bpd had stopped and greet them ,would they have accused him of being too friendly?! Get that woman out ,NOW !
exactly! they would have accused him of something else. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Thanks for keeping us updated!
When you see each sides arguments laid out like that in black and white it makes MHJ and NJs parents look sooooo childish. They're complaining IN COURT about a non-greeting and not getting to debut first ?? Like really that's what you're bringing to the table ???
Edited to add: I also 1000% agree with your point about lawyers keeping their strategies close and not airing things out in public. All these ppl who took HYBEs silence as an admission of guilt and said if they weren't being shady they need to speak up need to realize this is real life not a kdrama and this is how professionals actually act.
Its not BSH&Co have been less childish and more professional in handling whatever went on at the perimeter, and I belive it was them that started the media war. If the claims they are making are in fact true and they can document it, this could all been handled in a much more clean and quit manner. Heck, even so if they just wanted to get rid of the problematic lady for whatever reason. I cant think of any scenario where this shit throwing mess is not a gigantic managment failure. If I was a shareholder I would be both nervous and furious.
@@OleLeikbut it was MHJ who did a more serious crime in the company, by talking to investors behind Hybe's back (which MHJ denied at the presscon, btw) . She's made aware that this can get her fired as CEO as a consequence, and I think that's the reason why she called in the presscon, to get the favorable general public opinion on her side plus prevent Hybe from axing her.
Had she submitted herself to the audit, along wi5her laptop as was required of her, then this won't be a messy situation as we're seeing now.
Now with this new development / evidence presented in Court that she went to Naver and Donamu, well, everything else can be viewed in a different light. She created the distractions (parents, being first gg to debut, etc) to hide the much bigger crime she did.
@@neljade3341
Questeniable as it might be be, its not a crime and this is not a criminal law case and the problematic lady for all her narcissistism, shadyness and wrongdoings have not never been charged for anything prison worthy as far as I know. Its not really abaut firing her, If HYBE want her out, for whatever reason, she WILL be on her way out soon enought. I belive, as for most things in that godforsaken industry, its mainly abaut $$$. More spesificaly the $$$ value of her share of the company and the likely contract clasusules thereof in regard to things like breach of thrust and embezzling
From my point of view the claims of her alleged plan of a hostile takeover makes little to no sense given her small share of the company with HYBE owning and controlling the great majority of it.I rather doubt HYBE really thought she was a real threath to them and that such a plot could realisticly be carried out. Rather it seems that they instead of the usual behind closed doors horse trading deals to sort things out - the tried, and failed at great cost, to paint MHJ as a villain like Givers in the 50/50 case.
Thank you for your uodates. A lot of people following you trust you. Thanks so much!
Shaman....spirit of the sister......what?!!!??!!!!!? The woman does not seem very 'balanced' if HYBE can prove it. And she seems - apart from HYBE's arguments, which only underline the impression she already gives - to be a big control freak?!?!
Learned that from LSM. (micromanaging)
And I don't think it is that different from the Christian drift in the US.
Remember that the current SK president does not live in the Blue House because of a Shaman.
拿別人的成就做為自己的功勞，這件事本身就是自視過高的行為
the thing is the gas light thingy works. look at NJ and the parents in their mind once MHJ gone they will be mistreated.
They are doing a self fulfilling prophecy. It won't be because of mhj but because the parents are going to the public and talking bad about hybe. This whole Bang didn't talk to us is not a good look for the members. I hope they see the light.
MHJ has been brainwashed NJ/THEIR PARENTS. I think the Judge has already decided but just gave times for MHJ' side if they have more evidence but as we know, they have nothing. Thank you for the information, you were super fast.👍👍👍👍👏👏👏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I would just like to say thank you for all the work you put into your video. I am very impressed with the way you break everything down. 🇨🇦
MHJ got the SM mindset down pat 🤣 taking over all control and creativity from the artist..
Looking forward to more updates by the end of the month. I believe Hybe will win this and overhaul ADOR. As the Filipino meme says "parating na tayo exciting part." 🤣
Cassie! Tunay na tunay! BTS to the front ! Kontrahin natin sa dasal, ano?
Thank you for keeping us informed.
👍👍👍 as usual, Asian E & C. And 👍👍👍 to al the comments.
I kind of disagree with New Jeans being left out of this issue because their parents have already pulled them into this issue... They have to take a stance and make a united statement by themselves (no parents, no guardian) and say that they want to become artists and grow as such. At this point MHJ has painted them as marionettes that can only move according to her will.
It's giving a controlling-Korean mother who feels my children can only go on the path I set for them. Everyone knows what I'm talking about and it's a really abusive relationship.
It's too late for New Jeans to back out of this without making a statement and stating their stance. And the way it's going they are going to be quite irrelevant in the future fr. I mean, the statement made about BSH being "rude" to them is very telling of their mentality as individuals. Suffice to say, I now can understand why I was never really into their behind the scenes activities and only gave a listening ear to the music they released.
After the news that NJ’s parents sided with MHJ (as was confirmed in court by MHJ’s lawyers) NJ become a huge liability for HYBE. Also, when HYBE will fire MHJ (as I understand) she still will have ADOR shares. In order to buy it from her with cheaper prices HYBE will need to shelf NJ anyway since NJ is the only asset that ADOR has. NJ do not have a choice, they will need to wait sometime for everything to resolve (as parents stated in interview CEO told them 1.5 years till comeback) or they can leave and pay for the breach of the contract (they would not be able to repay).
Keena managed to get away and I don't think HYBE will give up on NJ. Why should they?
I'm not entirely sure that NJ even made a statement.
That the parents back MHJ at the moment is not surprising since she groomed them, too. She did not let them get in contact with HYBE and by now they seem to believe her.
Therapy may be needed.
Mind you I have no idea if the concerts are shelved that were planned (if they were) or if that is speculation.
I think NJ still can manage it.
@@ruthfischer7615 A concert with little discography? Well if you want to look like a joke, I guess that's feasible. They can at most only do festival shows and fan meetings.
Also Hybe keeping them is like trying to house a rabid animal that very actively wants to kill you. Since they've always isolated themselves from Hybe, they'll get used to not "being" in Hybe as they wait for their contract to expire or sth.
@@e.deborah7256
No:
They *were* isolated from HYBE and HYBE artists by MHJ. That is not their fault.
They just did not notice.
They are insecure teens, far too easily manipulated (one of the reasons they were chosen to begin with).
Give them time in a healthy environment and they will likely see that, too.
Which is what happens when people realize they have ben scamed/groomed/abused.
It's a process.
Maby in elevator the member said hello mr bang and he nodded , so she thought she was ignored, we dont know the exact situation and honestly with al trainees and dancers how could he know them and he never worked with them directly
Thanks for the update. Keep up the good work.
OMG! A CEO not greeting the girl is a legal issue. Then all CEOs of companies should he sued.
Just with Hybe's 1st argument (if with proof), she's toast!
Even worse, he is the chairman and not the CEO. Chairmen have even less to do with the operations of the company.
@@CloudedLeopard8588 yes, you're right! he is the Chairman. the more it is not to be expected for such position to really be mingling with people. just because NJ is popular now, they feel so entitled and piveleged and expects BPD to be chummy with them as how he is with BTS. they must be dreaming! BTS and BPD have been through thick and thin and this is why their relationship is so special. As Jin has said in the Q&A, the one thing he is so proud of is being able to call their boss as "hyung" means they treat each other as brothers. Only BTS can have this privelege. So to the NJ member who complained about this (if indeed it came from her), sorry but not sorry. Don't expect too much. I hope these girls still have humility in themselves and not be puppets to this pathetic woman.
@@abigailreyes1503 exactly and why didn’t MHJ raise this with BPD. Her job as the CEO is to address this. She should have told BPD that they were upset.
@@CloudedLeopard8588 coz she was the one who was isolating these girls from the rest. even with their speeches, they are making the scripts for them. I don't think these girls have never mentioned Hybe nor BPD. She only wants them to mention her name.
I always liked your videos. It’s well researched. Thank you for all that you do for our boys.
Let's hope New Jeans come out of this as a stronger group. None of these KPop groups deserve to be mistreated. Thanks for explaining what the process has been with the Min Hee Jin case. The court process sounds positive and will allow for that woman to be removed from the company.
Thank you 💜🌹
Thank you for the factual update. 💜
Thank you for your helpful video. I worry about the NJ members and hope they get the right kind of support.
Why would the contract information be important? It is a means to create a wedge between the artists and hybe to competively offer them something better. MHJ is trying to make HYBE an empty shell by stealing their artists and they cannot do it fairly. They needed to know what kind ofbcontracts they have so they can mirror it or make it more tempting. BUT what i have been wondering the most is did MHJ steal ARMYs personal data.
I won't be surprised if she did
What? That is beyond. Beyond!
I think she thinks they're "the next BTS", and should be paid like BTS. I think the $16M signing bonus at the last BTS contract signing sent her over the edge. If not for BTS, none of them would be there. Period.
Good, thank you very much for the information, I’ll be waiting for your next news
that's why i love jin and JK they have a such strong mentality and will !!! they can do anything for their passion and ARMY and no one can control them.
Hybe has been quiet not creating any dramas like MHJ but keeping a poker face to play their cards correctly at the right time proves that they have enough strong evidences against her... also the fact if she is making NJ believe they can not do without her proves she is definitely not in for her work n NJ but solely for money. She herself is laying all her cards down or showing them not realising that she is cutting the very branch she is sitting on. She is a manipulator and uses people for her own reasons is how she comes across to me.
Broh if she wants NJ then fone let her take them but after paying back every penny Hybe has spent on them. I don't see why they should get to enjoy everything from HYBE's money and then go against them. MHJ can take NJ and leave, just payback every money she took from BSH, and every penny that Hybe spent on NJ becauee of which they even got where they are!
Nope! Absolutly not!
They are a HYBE artist and they deserve better than to be abused/groomed by MHJ.
Unfortunately, if MHJ gets fired ( I hope she will) and NJ wants to leave with her, I say let them go. It is a HARD lesson to learn in life who to trust and not trust especially in an industry that takes advantage of naive, desperate souls/young people. They and their parents can make it on their own. I don't know what the parents are thinking. I guess all the " privileges" that NJ bought home ( ex money) are blinding them. MHJ just needs to go.
In order for NJ to leave, they would have to break their contract and they wouldn’t be able to afford to do that.
I feel so bad for New Jeans. They are being used for personal gain. What kind of person does that? Also, what right does she have to go snooping into the BTS area? The truth of what she has done will come out to show everybody what she did. 💜💜💜🤟🇺🇸💜💜💜💜
and that's why we should take mental health issues seriously. Cause look mhj descending into insanity because of her obsession with bts success
I think she just adapted the SM model of doing things.
I don't think she is "insane".
Believing in shamans in SK is normal the same way in the US people usually believe in Christ.
But she is selfish.
Just read the Patreon notes you posted. She's the definition of 'lost it'. The arguments, even from some of the 'best in the country' are weak, and immature. They are def running on her script. I feel sorry for them because they have to do as the client requests. The poor women of NJ are caught in the middle of this garbage.
Thank you! Your insights are so good! ❤
10:45 to be honest, I wish I could say that I agree with that, but I don’t, I don’t think these girls can succeed on their own, they are all too young and too new into this industry, without guidance they won’t make it. That guidance doesn’t have to be MHJ, but since the very inception of this group has never been abt these girl’s own artistry and everything abt MHJ vision and mediaplay, no one should be telling these girls they can just make it on their own. They can’t, not yet, bc until now no mentor around them has prepared them or challenged them to become more autonomous.
Yes, I agree at the point they are now they don't look good, bc she made them hadicaped, she didn't mentor them, she made them dependant, to the point that they didn't grow for two year, and I don't mean literally or on fame and numbers, but menaly they are stuck a little, if you have group that girls were trainee and are 2 years in industry and they go and "cry to momy bc somebody was rude" (and momy I mean Mhj), it shows how much control this women have, they didn't let them grow for 2 years. And I think it will be hard when they cut her out, I think the girls will be lost mentaly, they may do their part in singing and dancing, follow directions, etc, but rest...
It might be an unpopular or might be a popular opinion that artists who could create or producing their work/creative creation are the ones who have highest probability to stay afloat in industry, even so if they possessed ‘warrior mentality’.
Why? Because most industry contain pretty harsh environment therefore being able to be your own brain must be accompanied with ‘idgaf about hater’ mindset. No one should stop you if you have more positive things to offer even when some people can only ever focus on small percentage of your imperfections. As long as the imperfections are nothing criminal for me then nobody should judge and decide if you’re worth breaking or bullied or worthless than criminals.
And to be very honest, the boys are the suitable example for this topic. May this become a new perspective to add to be learned✌🏼
Btw i like the way you present your contents ~
I just hope New Jeans gets a re-education by Hybe and set for a new debut at the start of the year when things have cooled. Enough time to learn the humility needed to show that they are able to learn and grow within the company. I'm pretty sure they are going down with the ship though. Idk how Hybe will be able to present them in a way that doesn't involve judgment from what she did. Unfortunate but true. From now on New Jeans will be tagged as her product. Its really sad she's taking them down with her. I'm not sure I see a way out of the tailspin now.
The court of public opinion reigns and MHJ is becoming a very despised person. She's poking the bear. Army is def all in on this.
I doubt it though. These girls are most likely going to go down with that woman though and that's sad. There's a pretty good lesson here though.
Also, dude, Bang PD did the right thing. I can't even imagine what this woman could've done if he had acknowledged. It could be way way worse. High level executives don't even gotta know your name. Corporate settings usually involve many tiers and you go through HR. You never expect these busy and important people to have time randomly. I mean WHAT?
Plenty of times I was in an elevator with the high ups. I smiled then looked at the floor while waiting patiently until my floor. They were always distracted and in a hurry. I would die just thinking about me attempting to derail them just to aknowledge me. Whew. I mean, is Korea so different than the US? Someone help me out here.
You are awesome, you are doing a great job ARMY BTS HITMAN BANG PD FOREVER
I think it's much better if they give NJ a hiatus. Lifetime hiatus lol!
I Agree!!!!! Because NJ and their parents (adults eople ) agreed to the MHJ plan!!!!!!!!!!
Now, I no longer have doubts about who was behind the sh*tstorm BTS and ARMY experienced in 2016 which came from the direction of SM Ent and the fandom of a certain group she was in charge of at the time whose popularity was beginning to be eclipsed by BTS.
The same patterns of accusations and smear campaigns and the weird claim of people copying her.
Exactly
@@Theinfamouskiki411I am convinced that Project Break Wings has the same author as Project 1945, including those disposable funeral wreaths.
To think that new jeans was on their way to become one of the most famous girl groups and mhj just ruined it for them. I can't see them moving past this. Its sad because the girls are being dragged into this of no fault of their own. To think if mhj didn't do any of this new jeans still would have been ive's biggest competitor. Now ive's path is cleared. I don't see nj recovering from this any time soon.
I do. If they stay with HYBE.
It's a setback but not necessary the end.
BTS lived through many of those.
I want to know what koreans are actually thinking abt ger now after this news. Atleast now are they able to clear their minds of the emotional drama she created.
8:28 main point. forget MHJ's deflections and twisting of truth. This is what MHJ wanted to hide.
9:51 If NJ cannot be removed from the situation, it is because MHJ dragged them in from the start and dragged them in further for her own survival now. If NJ was tricked (or even willingly tempted by greed), that could leave a bad impression and make you think why you should keep helping someone ungrateful. As other groups have expressed (despite their fans accusing HYBE), joining HYBE was very good for them (and that's even though they blew up less than NJ, they still felt joining HYBE was good for them). Now, MHJ was ungrateful and plotted against the hand that fed her. If she gave the same image to NJ (or if NJ did willingly side with her), then they are invovled and we can only blame MHJ.
Also, the parents are motivated by desire to protect their daughters (aka self interest, aka greed). The parents certainly acted ungrateful and sided with MHJ because she is in direct control of the group. The parents are just FOMOing and anything MHJ tells them they believe. This is because the parent links NJ's success to MHJ's success, which is why MHJ can manipulate them so easily because HYBE has many groups, but MHJ only has 1 group, so she can easily trick the parents into thinking she cares about NJ. Ofc, reality is she doesn't care, and NJ is her money making tool and a part of her plan. If NJ cannot be removed from this scandal, it is also because of the parents being ungrateful, greedy, and fearful. Typical ppl who get tricked.
Now, I certainly hope NJ was actually grateful, but MHJ is sly and manipulative and humans are by default self-serving, so if they actually thought like their parents and treated HYBE as an enemy, then it makes sense they will get treated the same. After all, it hurts more to be betrayed by someone indebted to you than by a stranger. NJ isn't HYBE's friend or relative, so HYBE has no reason to give them another chance if they are scared NJ became tainted/branwashed by MHJ. Since MHJ is doing brainwashing and grooming, it is very difficult to undo the brainwashing. But if they aren't your friends/relatives, why would anyone go through that trouble of undoing that brainwashing in order to give them another chance? NJ already became so rich so young, I hope they were grateful and weren't tainted by MHJ's greedy thoughts.
World Tour, a Grammy. After 2yrs. OMG!!!. Her riding the coat tail of BTS must have made NJ a lot more marketable. All I know is that it was not completely from her own creative ideas. I truly hate abusers, users and thieves. #Love_HYBEBTS #Praying
Cuando los chicos de Bts no eran nadie en sus comienzos , nadie sabe lo que ellos pasaron y siempre soportaron callados , quien de ellos hizo un escandalo por cualquier insignificancia ? Pasaron hambre ,durmieron mal , sufrieron frio ,hasta el punto que casi se separan , y estoy segura que fue por falta de recursos economicos ,y todo eso lo superaron ,ahora miren quienes son ,!!!! Y ahora me van a decir que por un saludo que no le hizo un jefe que les esta generando millones, donde le pusieron todo en bandeja de plata se van a traumatizar y se va a crear un caos metal y sicologico?noooo ,,,, JEFE NO ME SALUDE MIENTRAS ME HAGA MILLONARIA 😂😂😂😂😂 por eso soy un Army orgullosa de mis chicos a prueba de balas,, BTS POR SIEMPRE 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 es mi opinion sin ofender ❤
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Totalmente de acuerdo contigo 💜
Yes conversation without evidence is hearsay
hold my horses... the shaman thing... it's 2024 and she believes that the spirit of her sister will possessing someone through the Shaman?? 🤯🤯🤯
She apparently gives pictures of trainees to the shaman and whoever they determine to be possessed by an evil spirit, they kick out
@@AsianEntertainmentandCulture That is WILD.
I thought Korea is a developed country, it is so funny to hear for one of CEO of big company tried to manipulate people by demon tale.
She is suitable to be a skript writter for horror Korean Drama, isnt she? 😂😅
The whole shaman craziness was brought to court not only to proof that she was sharing confidential information with outsiders but also to show that a disturbed person like her not fit to work as CEO (another reason to dismiss her).
@@friede.
The US is supposed to be a developed country and they "trust in God".
So what is the difference?