WuWa 2.0 is better. I'm a day one HSR player and this patch made me quit and uninstall the game. What a disappointment. Somehow HSR has become gradually worse over time. The 3.0. patch was a new low.
All i can tell you Stix 3.0 storytelling is bad forced puzzles in main story black screens character not showing emotions asking us to click chair balcony and water dialogue being chair is soft and comfy balcony what a nice view water is lukewarm water is room temperature fucking stupid redundant dialogue
Story itself is better, but overall the game has no progress at all or even regress just Like Genshin since 3.0 so I think hoyo games are starting to get really bad after they go into 3.0 I dont know maybe 90% of their work time they do nothing in hoyo
Minor mouth movements, facial expressions and some new model animations can lo a long way. But I suppose Hoyoverse as a small indie company lacks the budget for it unlike Kuro games.
Definitely. Only a large company like Kuro withblots of money can hite a movie director and choreographers to integrate so much detail into the story presentation. A small company like Hoyo just does not have the budget for that 😂
@@Stixxy I mean, you can say that about Genshin and HSR but you can absolutely not say that about ZZZ. The presentation, Animations etc are insane. Doesn't even feel like a Hoyo IP
this is just my guess but i think Wuthering waves/kurogames invests all their money in research and development for the game or at least a large amount, i just saw a data miner on social media where he found character "wet" textures in files (only Carlotta) that more or less tells me that they are researching these immersion details to innovate the open world, i think Enfield also has something similar but i'm not sure. the problem with mihoyo and that perhaps many people are realizing with wuthering waves and with enfield is that mihoyo does not seem to invest the money in research and development, but in marketing, that is because hoyogames start to age in a strange way and players start to find a lack of innovation in elements within the games.
@@hxppythxughts7149 because kuro really don't advertise that much. Advertisement from kuro that I've seen so far (both PGR and Wuwa) are mostly about the new updates and new contents taken from their official page/channel.
Yes. Kuro definitely has invested in a lot of things that don't immediately show, but add value over time. From motion capture to detailed rigging of the models to actors or theater directors to someone with background as movie director. The very login screen has a dolly zoom effect that shows knowledge of precise canerawork. May look like a detail. It is not.
Wuwa did alot of in game engine animation for 2.0 i liked that we clink glasses and drank with Zani and seeing Carlotta’s pretty curtsy when she introduced herself ❤
The presentation and camera shots in Wuwa are absolutely unbeatable. Current Hoyo games will never beat kuro games because they are far too lazy. Even the longer dialogues were bearable. When I hear dialogues in Genshin, HSR or Zzz I fall asleep in record time.
@@emilia4944the gameplay is debatable depending on who you ask. I for one love it. And the weapon banner is 75/25, could be 100% but it's still a gacha of a different company at the end of the day
I don't play Zzz anymore either, but it's definitely the best Hoyo game. and the gameplay is okay. You just shouldn't compare it with Wuwa. A decent game.
Even in wuwa there's one side quest involving ex-captain wanting to go hunt treasure behinds the clouds by rocketing his gondola echo using other echos. Though unvoiced, It still has unqiue comedy-like cutscenes for each echos he tried. Quite a funny experience for a random side quest imo
@@ivanmartinez743 Same here 😂 it cracks me up. Old man: *falls from the sky several hundred feet up* "Oh me oh my, what a fall! Better go back up there and try again!"
A simple story with great presentation is to me, more impacting than a great story with poor presentation. This is from someone who's playing Star Rail since launch.
Wuwa's story is simple? Most of my friends didn't even bother with the story because they didn't understand anything from it. It's simpler in rinascita but before that nah.
@@Kinben69 1.0 is practically your demon king resurrection story with a reawakened hero archetype. 1.1 Jué is dying and needs to pass on his powers to Jinshi. 1.2 is a festival with character growth and community building. 1.3 is the most complicated I agree. Super computer has a virus and needs new hardware. But the hardware is a person but not really a person but practically a person, so you say no. 1.0 is a heroes journey. 1.1 is liberation of fate. 1.3 is "human" rights. The thing is, the world of Solaris-3 is so different than ours because of the Lament, there's a lot of layers to the background. But the actual narrative at post is relatively simple.
@Kinben69 Jué was wounded a while ago and foresaw that, through its passing, time would be impacted in Huanlong. It'd be similar to Mt. Firmament but, happening in Jinzhou times 20. Time would be both going forward and backwards and be out of wack. But, Jué wanted to just freeze time so that maybe in the future, people can figure out how to fix the time displacement. But Jinhsi didn't agree with that so she staked on her life on a second resonance awakening by clashing with Jué's frequency and adopting the temporal mandate. I don't remember when Jué was attacked by the Fractsidus I believe it was prior to it finding Jinhsi (Hsi at the time). It sped up the process but it was bound to happen.bJué saw that in the crying the baby was very powerful and decided to reverse time to before the baby died so that she can eventually surpass it, and that's why it chose her as it's resonator.
Even before WuWa and HSR 3.0, I’ve been criticizing how poorly the story has been executed. While I do like the story of HSR and there are a lot of great animated cutscenes, it doesn’t justify it when 80%+ of the story is just the characters standing there cycling through three emotes. Hopefully going forward, this is a wake up call for HSR to put more effort into showing the story rather than telling it.
Last (second) season of That Time I git Reincarnated as a Slime was 80 to 90% people standing or sitting around a table and talking endlessly. Many of us criticized that animated cartoons are meant to show movement. You have no idea how people defended the lack of animation because "that is what happens in the novel". Watching the scenes above, I felt the same. Lazy animation from a team that is more focused in text and voice than in the visual part of multimedia.
HSR has the reverse problem as Wuwa. Starts with it's peak storytelling with the Belobog story line, dips quality in Xianzhou, then somehow manages to make with worst with Penacony, even though they hyped it up because of Shoji.
HSR has the reverse problem as Wuwa. Starts with it's peak storytelling with the Belobog story line, dips quality in Xianzhou, then somehow manages to make with worst with Penacony, even though they hyped it up because of Shoji.
The trend is that hoyo games are aging like milk. Genshin started good(maybe too good just because of covid buff) but slowly turned to what is now and is just kept relevant and alive by hoyo's massive cult like player base that loves bare-minimum children scamming slop HSR sadly is now following Genshin's foot steps quite perfectly, they started very well too hence the birth of "Genshin could never" but now people can also say HSR could never with the power creep and atrocious story telling ZZZ is probably next, and let's stop pretending like ZZZ ain't a hoyo game give it 1+ year it would start to show massive issues Meanwhile WuWa is aging like fine wine, it may have started not that good but the longer the game is out the better it is becoming and 2.0 is the best testament to that
i trust that zzz devs will see the light. Hoyo totally has the ability to make good presentation, and epic moments, shown by every example here, as long as zzz is humble they will be great and improve, just like wuwa
I think ZZZ will be hoyoverse's best gacha even tho I'm not really a fan of the combat in it over WuWa, I can still see why people enjoy it, also it's their first game that's released with REAL competition, the "Genshin could never" phrase spawned out of people wanting genshin to get better REALLY bad, but it just felt like Hoyo was trolling us as players giving everything we wanted in genshin to HSR instead, now they have REAL competition and players dont have to settle for lazy slop like the way they tell the story in HSR...
After being disappointed twice now, I'm less optimistic with ZZZ's devs now. I hate it when Genshin's and HSR's devs was treated as if they are from different companies, when they both work for Hoyoverse. They will start better for sure, until Hoyoverse decides they need these "better devs" to work on their newest game, and the old GI and HSR devs work on ZZZ.
i trust that zzz devs will see the light. Hoyo totally has the ability to make good presentation, and epic moments, shown by every example here, as long as zzz is humble they will be great and improve, just like wuwa
That’s just gacha luck. Has nothing to do with the game itself. I’ve lost very few 5050s and gotten very lucky in WW too. There are people who get unlucky in WW. Has no barring on the game itself
@@ezioasasyn2394 Trust me it aint 50/50, especially in Genshin cause I lost my 50/50 TWELVE TIMES in a row and I had enough and quit and found HSR which was great at the beginning as I was winning 50/50 a lot BUT after patch I think 2.5 I kept losing my 50/50 to fricken Gepard and Yanging (I think I said that right), and I quit after the bad story telling and zero voices in 3.0 and invested all my time to WuWa. Reason being is because I have only lost two 50/50, but still have every character besides the 2.0 characters, and the story, combat character designs and exploration was way more engaging then GI and HSR, to me personally.
Nah on genshin and zzz i keep losing 50/50 8 times out of 10 while wuwa i won most of the time. I started doubting the system of hoyo when i lost every 50/50 on genshin except once. Zzz happening the same.
This is just real facts, like Hoyo has messed up so much and so badly I can say this because I have friends who still play Hoyo games and also Wuwa and even they admit Wuwa is much better in many ways.
Yes i like the fact that wuwa nicely split a long 7-8hr quest placed pit stops for us…especially during that elevator scene the game is teasing me “you really wanna stop now?” 😂
As a player of both games, I do enjoy both stories still but ngl HSR's didnt have me as hyped as it usually does. The 3.0 story itself is fine, but compared to the extra movement and camera angles WW has, it did add onto the experience of 2.0. Now I think HSR was always held back by the idle poses the characters do in the shots but I think they can make up for it with camera angles which is what WW did amazingly well in 2.0. Still I think HSR commited to this type of style so most likely the storytelling will remain the same sadly and people are just noticing how bad the way the story is being told now.
Star Rail became more and more of a "Get this character for a certain function", while the older characters objectively lost in power. In WuWa i get characters for their kit and how fun they play. I still play Jiyan, a 1.0 unit, because his dragon ult is cool and his kit fun to play. Also Star Rail delivered (for the money they go), worse content at a slower rate. Their stories always consisted of more and more teasing to the next patch. Meanwhile in WuWa we got a world deciding endbattle with a huge dragon over space time in 1.1. Including getting the resonator of the dragon as a unit AND the dragon as a usable echo. Star Rail would have teased that for at least half a year. The only thing Star Rail had over WuWa, was that things were actually at stake with multiple deaths involved. This turned completely around with all those fake deaths and resurrections in Star Rail.
Bruh i got Jiyan from his rerun and boi oh boi, for a day 1 limited 5star character he is freakin strong. Like my Tower runs improved significantly ever since Jiyan added to my roster. I'm now grinding for his nightmare monke to make him above and beyond what i can already do with him 👀 I'm actually thinking of getting his Signature weapon if he got another rerun coz for now I'm using Jinshi's weapon.
whats your opinion on a new player. Like i want to give wuwa a go but always hate the fact of starting a game late and missing out on so many pulls and character banners. Similar to hsr where i started late and its nearly impossible to beat all chaos memory stages and pure fiction. If someone can persuade me a reason to start wuwa let me know. Because i feel like if i start now somehow wuwa will die down quick and lose popularity or something
@@bobjohnson6131 never play a game, because its popular. Play a game, because its fun for you. I am going to be honest here: New player experience for WuWa is extremely rough. The story in 1.0 from Act 1-3 is kinda bad. After that it just gets progressively better. Already Mt Firmament is REALLY good. I can give you advice from a person that quit at the end of 1.0 and came back at the end of 1.3: Its fun, you get a lot of pulls just from playing. Endgame (Hologram) is a skillcheck. Other endgame (Tower of Adversity) is more of a dmg check (kinda bad, you have to get lucky with echo stats). Exploration is one of the best in the Gacha space: - infinite running -running on walls - Flying (Rinascita only atm sadly) - a lot of small qol insta jumping/grapple points You honestly dont pull for meta in this game, you pull, because you like a character and how they play. I missed out on a free Xiangli Yao, but got him in his rerun, because he was just that fun to play. Powercreep doesnt really exist atm. More of a better design creep. Gacha is better than competition with 80 pity and a guaranteed weapon banner. Still 50/50 on character banner. Tldr; one of the few Gachas that get more fun, the longer you play. Because they genuinely improve the game with each update and you also learn to play the characters and the mechanics with time.
HSR 3.0 for me was kinda... lacking. I wouldn't say the story is boring, but i desperately wanted to skip some parts. Then it suddenly... ended. For Wuwa 2.0 i felt more "engaged" by the whole environment, the story wasn't fast paced either, but it felt more... Immersive, somehow. So I felt less rushed to do it, while in HSR i felt a rush and a complete lack of control of what the pacing was. Graphics and all matter a bit, but HSR felt lazy on the dialogues, 0 expression on character's faces, etc. so it kinda blew it for me. WuWa was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more entertaining, while I still didn't dislike 3.0
@@Stixxy The elevator into the landscape of the region (reminding ni no kuni 2), the walk into the cathedral to talk to Primus in the end of the act, the stained glass lore, the meeting with the elf, Brant saving us from the whale, idk man, so many cool stuff hahaha but I guess in that order. So many memorable things from story alone
It’s a fact that Hoyoverse makes significantly more money than Wuwa on a monthly basis. But doesn’t that make it even worse? Hoyoverse’s games generate ten times the revenue, yet the quality they deliver falls far short compared to games that earn only a fraction of what they do.
I was really surprise to see Margherita actually putting food on the table instead of just making it be there on the table already. The characters continue to hold glasses and clink them as well. Sure it looks a bit awkward, but I'm just happy Kuro actually add details like these.
WuWa will always be a gacha game, but because of how it one upped itself than being a gacha game, it sets the high fidelity standards up a notch. To me it's still a game than a gacha, it's just that gacha term being normalized without much thought that people are missing out
Comparing storytelling is absolutely fair play. But one is an open world action game, and another is a large map segmented turn-based game. So I try not to say one is better than the other because the audience is different. But, like I said this is a comparison of storytelling and style sometimes that can be affected by the combat and setting, I think the conversations around the animation quality and expressiveness in story telling is fair. A cutscene is a cutscene regardless of game type.
I think this all make sense, hoyo has percieved that hsr (and genshin) has achieved trust and retention of their playerbase with how long they already out so they can produce stable/safe content and milk the playerbase to death. The same cannot be said for wuwa (and zzz) to even gain trust they still need to take risk, innovate, and (by the god) listening to playerbase.
and zzz probably will end up like hsr and gi when hoyo decide to release their new game, also dont forget that zzz make a lot less money compare to gi and hsr on their early patch, thats why they keep adding all those qol and content into zzz
I just, well the reason i just wanna call out hsr is well, the revenue they bring, the money they get, why don't it reflect as much on the game itself? they can hire animators, they can hire more voice actors I mean kuro ain't brining that bag yet they deliver, so idk whats the excuse of hoyo unless they are just using the revenue for other games, maybe zzz being its new kid
its a cycle my friend, back then people praise hsr and says that the hsr devs doing a much better job compare to genshin devs, now its zzz turn to get the praise and hsr become the problem child, soon when they release a new game its zzz turn to become the problem child and that new game will be the one that get praised
5:10 I'd like to add, what makes hoyoverse look so bad here in hsr and genshin as well, is the fact that for that game, something of this quality would be considered a "cinematic cutscene". Think about that for a second. This is just a standard story interaction, and i wont mentioned the engine they're using either, i will not be giving excuses or hand outs to a billion dollar company that does not deliver. Now let me say it once more. THIS IS A STANDARD STORY INTERACTION. i never feel the need to ask for cinematic cutscenes because the game actually has animations for its characters. I mean dude, Rover actually drank from the glass he was having with Zani in ragunna. if it was star rail: "You take a sip from the glass and cherish its splendor" Bitch no i didnt, WHERE DID THAT HAPPEN
3.0 isnt as bad as their making it out to be Its not exactly a master class in storytelling But the story itself is interesting it just needs better presentation And proper voice over for everyone
That’s the purpose of this video. I’m not comparing stories, rather, how the stories are presented. One feels like a flowing JRPG while the other feels like a mobile game with little effort. Again - not the story itself for reference.
We all know HSR had good story but that but it didnt stop me from falling asleep mid 3.0 quest bro…i dont wanna talk to a butterfly for over 15mins exposition on lore 😅 i rather they show me like how Wuwa does it with the elevator scene, meeting Lorelei, the Averardo vault and the Dirge Dragon… At least Wuwa had some dynamic in gestures and expressions…also Wuwa kindly split a long 7-8hr quest into 3 parts/acts and puts in pit stops for us…
I hate the black screens in HSR, I just can’t get used to them. They had good talking points but they didnt show the Titans that they keep texting about on the bottom of the screen. The butterfly scene felt insulting.
The lack of voice acting aside, they didn't even bother animating mouth movement or any facial expressions. BTW, I found Camellya's favorite spot very soon after I completed 1.4 story, and I can confidently state it's lucky. I pulled two copies within about 100 pulls throughout Camellya's banner.
I would classify WuWa's storytelling as cinematic. It integrates animation, expressions, perspecrive, camera muvements and angles, transitions.... Someone in the team at Kuro knows about acting, movies and camerawork. And it shows since 1.0.
we are so spoilt by WuWa and ZZZ...an ZZZ is part of Hoyo and at a complete guess likely makes less revenue than HSR & Genshin yet delivers a better narrative experience personally
I need to give WuWa another shot. Also my biggest problem with HSR at the moment is the powercreep, and the lack of new preservation character. The last new preservation unit was released I think in April of 2024. 9 months ago. Back to powercreep, I won't spend anymore money if it gets to the point where my current DPS units start struggling.
For me HSR is the better game since for me open wolds are just a pain but i agree the presentation of 3.0 and the endless yapping need some serious work better then Penacony tho imo
It's clearer what kuro devs are doing, but dayum... anyone who's still playing Hoyo games with wuthering waves will actually ruin your experience with hoyo games as it shows how dull it is.
firstly it isnt better... secondly all gacha are the same from current ones? none is better you can just think what type of genre or story vibe you prefer... so I like the most honkai star rail why? because of honkai impact 3 and final fantasy turn based :) saying wuwa is crazy advanced have something new? I DIDNT SEE IT... STORY 2.0 was also boring for me... ignoring RIN FROM FATE i didnt see anything good i prefered Changli story the most :D. Games what can be better than current ones? i mean a progress up.... ARE ANANTA and AZUR PROMILIA if they wont be then what to say? all are the same the different is genre. none open world gacha is close to open world single player games or even mmo... for people that think something is cool in genshin or wuwa... because they invented it or made? all older games had it 10 years ago or 20 xd also im tired of these titles... genshin is better... wuwa is better. hsr is better... all of you streamers are the same im gonna unsub all of you... im tired of your bullshit titles... if look only at story writing? hsr is top tier music? hsr *players from hi3 and nostalgic? hsr... many people firsdt gacha game wasnt genshin it was hi3* sad story... music? ZZZ open world? WUWA cutscenes? WUWA/ZZZ, fight system? WUWA/ZZZ... best turn based combat? HSR/FGO genshin? I didnt like this game from the beginning even click type gachas were better and less boring yes im type of players that hate genshin from the beginning. best quality feet? and f2p? girls frontline 2 now most important? drop rate... money... gacha system... who is the best? NONE because some of them are worse or better in other things... still GFL 2 is winning if think about f2p. WUWA? combination of ZZZ with genshin impact HSR combination of HI3 and Fate Grand Order maybe even a little CRPG games like baldur gate or final fantasy Genshin? weak GFL2? FEET XDDDD gods i hope i just made you laugh a little bro powercreep? I didnt saw any turn based game without powercreep so like in HSR powercreep ZZZ vs Genshin vs Wuwa? WUWA WINNING because seriously new chars in wuwa isnt much better than older ones i mean banner chars vs banner chars. while in ZZZ every next is better but in genshin even more. NOW BRO LETS DO IT! COMPARE HSR POWERCREEP to HI3? HI3 had much worse powercreep XD but people loved this game because of story.... honkai had always story teelling/writing very good i mean interesting... just i wont deny the fact that HSR should be as many cutscenes as ZZZ because ZZZ have x4 more cutscenes if not 5x more I seriously dont protect any gacha because gacha is gacha but saying gacha is gacha not mean these games shouldnt be more f2p and developers shouldnt more even more when they earn money similar to rockstar games XDD I hope mihoyo will remove projtect petit planet and do new open world without being greedy like all gacha companies but impossible. so if think about story alone? I mean puzzles, branching, curiosity about what would happen next and story writing HSR 3.0 is best if think about more cutscenes and quality of them? ZZZ and WUWA is equal in that topuc hsr losing a lot in 3.0 but the story is much much much more interesting if you read all text because is better than old patches... and even more interesting if you know Hi3 for me HSR was made for players honkai impact so it is like honkai impact 4
yeah titles of these streamers and all of them from gacha community are crazy xd and yes i agree with you fully none of these games are masterpiece. they are the same in 75%. the difference? one is turn based, one is open world, one is how to name ZZZ? not open world :p one word to STIXXY the worst? is solo leveling arise and fate grand order if you want to know powercreep and 100% not f2p and fgo generally doesnt have cutscenes? but storywriting? story telling? fgo have still a lot of players. good story doesnt need to have cutscenes but many streamers are too lazy and would prefer skip all and watch only cutscenes it is called laziness of 2k20-2k25+ too much tiktok also I'm anti skip button in main story. side quests i don't care
my fav game is ZZZ I will stop play it {if Ananta gonna be amazing} or any good mmo will be out.. im tired of current gacha games about hsr powercreep? I dont know much i just know blade from the beginning was useless but I'm one of these that play gacha games long time and are taught that powercreep is normal
Its definitely gotten better with 2.0, but at this point I almost see no point in talking to people the games advocates directly on youtube at length. They just want their circa 1990s fanbase war and trash talk basically. Everything is black and white and just a matter of hurling insults and catchphrases at fans of other games.
I played many gacha game. However, on January 2025 with the release of multiple big updates, I have to give it to Wuwa. Never once I yawn or feel tired exploring the new region. GI doesn't have that much of an impact in their archon quest (Furina just set the bar way too high). As for HSR, I keep thinking when will this end. When will this end. At least the exploration in HSR is slightly better and enjoyable for me compared to GI
Ngl I'm starting to believe if WuWa ever makes a character that is mute or deaf but uses technology to compensate their disability they will probably find a way to incorporate sign language in that character story even if it's just for a moment, the presentation and storytelling is what makes it engaging like how they are telling their current story.
Tbh currently ZZZ much enjoyable in hoyo games...they rise the standard quality of hoyo games...in gameplay,storytelling...u cant deny zzz much way better than HSR n Genshin I dont want included wuwa since it not hoyo also people will think im kurobot...so im just gonna give example of hoyo games only Imo wuwa n zzz is good gacha games to play rn 🙏
GI's animation : mostly just arm cross and right hand moves twice HSR's animation : mostly just arm cross and right hand waves twice guess like brother like sister
I play both games my current problem with HSR is the hp inflation ang my trash RNG with the main and sub stat rolls and the fact that other characters are still not dubbed, With WUWA its great my problem with it is the unleveled or level 0 echoes can't be used to level echoes, I always overcap my inventory with mismatched elemental bonus echoes ( ex. Haboc damage with a lightning set echo) and I can't play it for more than 30minutes since my eyes start to burn.
There's something very simple in any storytelling, the simple movement of the eyes. You can put 4 people like immobile sticks in a room while they chat, but with the simple act of seeing their eyes move, you already get a sense of vitality in the characters. HSR doesn't even have that. Its models look completely lifeless, it's not just a matter of the cameras, the VA or the staging.
The same kind of thing bugs me with like the Natlan patch and people are disappointed. It’s a matter of preference so some also enjoyed it but not every patch or piece of story is going to be for you or is going to be hitting every single time. Annoys me with like character banners and people complaining about them. One banner is good, next banner “oh this is awful, why can’t we get good banners all the time” when a great deal of people enjoyed the banner 😂 fucking people. There’s always an issue
I always had this je ne sais quoi wanting me to skip dialogue on HSR. When put in the spot side to side like this the difference in quality and presentation is probably what makes me just skip through dialogue or do something else while the unskippable cutscenes play out in HSR or ZZZ to some extent, not a fan of the comic book format (yes i know you can skip there). It's the little details even the little eye movements they make, subtle camera pans and switches and expressiveness that keep you that little bit more engaged and immersed.
This is a F2P AAA Game funded through Gacha system, as much as I despise gacha as a mechanics, It's undeniable that they're at least putting the money they got to good use here! It's also definitely feels like a game that is made with PC in mind, given all the little details and QoL updates they've been doing for the game...
Partially voiced cut-scenes with auto advance are the worst, I'll be listening in on auto play, hear an uncomfortable pause, then realize too late it was one of the characters talking.
HSR story was so boring I started skipping your video LMFAO. I genuinely felt so frustrated playing hsr 3.0 I was completely baffled by how poor the quality was. I believe it is not only hoyoverse slacking off, it is also WUWA 2.0 being a genuine high budget triple A quality.
I didn't get invested as much in WuWa 1.4's story and really didn't pay attention cause I don't like Camellya so I got a bit confused as to what happened in between the end of 1.4 and the beginning of 2.0. But despite that I was still able to enjoy and eventually follow the beginning part, mostly because Shorekeeper is there, but also the presentation of the story was very visually interesting especially that transition to the flashback with Abby.
I wish I could enjoy WuWa like others do, but outside of Endfield (even that's a big maybe), I don't think I'll ever stick with an open world gacha with action combat.
I don't get it why people excuse this when gachas, ESPECIALLY Hoyo make so much money. Indies do better with less, (good) AAA do better with less, why are we lowering our standards for gacha?
Nah they lack a lot of voice. It's acceptable if it's a little like zzz. ZZZ lack only 4 or 5 lines. But now it ruined my mood. If they haven't finished recording they shouldn't release 3.0 and need to wait
Yeah for ZZZ there seemed to be "normal" problems since those EN VA are already satisfied with their agency (at least in regards to the ai voice topic)
Is really disappointing how Honkai Star Rail hasn't improved anything on 3.0 compared to 2.0. Is funny how we used to compare Honkai with Genshin back on the time and now Genshin looks like they have cooked more with Natlan, and made look Honkai team like the lazy ones
I still refuse to play games that require new phone every year (unreal engine) but still... Hsr did something wrong in the X.0 patch. I don't mind if this issue in filler patch
08:02 I disagree. This serves the clear purpose of enhancing the experience of the game for the player. These little details go a long way and I am glad that they are there.
Honestly both looked bad. But HSR slightly badder. The thing miyoho should learn is "show dont tell" right? I'm new to Wuwa, been playing for two weeks but didn't gotten into it. Still playin. Maybe it needs time
I actually think all of HoYo’s games are good games! But yes, HoYo just continues to be HoYo, dragging their games down when they should be elevating them!
@@Stixxyits baffling that there were no innovations or evolutions in their in game animations since HSR 1.0…i thought it was the most obvious thing they should improve on…
@@Arkwing Always remember the 1.4 patch as the ZZZ clutch. Players are having bad reviews and mass uninstalling the game. They will improve it again if slap in the face once more so I think ZZZ would not be as worse as the Genshin and HSR Direction
as a person working in a manga industry, I can already see hoyo is VERY lacking in visual stry telling. Suggestion for them, maybe start hiring a storyboard artist.
@@dreamsandhopes6802 90 for character, 60 for weapon. 1.5% and 2.487 drop rates. In part 1 it's 100 for character, up to 200 for part 1's s ranks but every 10 pull guarantee you a 5 star weapon / stigmata. Currently it's better than wuwa, where that 280 comes from (￣ヘ￣;)?
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What do YOU think is the better Gacha game between Wuthering Waves 2.0 and Honkai Star Rail 3.0?
WuWa 2.0 is better. I'm a day one HSR player and this patch made me quit and uninstall the game. What a disappointment. Somehow HSR has become gradually worse over time. The 3.0. patch was a new low.
All i can tell you Stix 3.0 storytelling is bad forced puzzles in main story black screens character not showing emotions asking us to click chair balcony and water dialogue being chair is soft and comfy balcony what a nice view water is lukewarm water is room temperature fucking stupid redundant dialogue
Wuwa is a AAA game with gacha, no need to compare. I'm playing HSR but I have to say HSR is getting worse
Story itself is better, but overall the game has no progress at all or even regress just Like Genshin since 3.0 so I think hoyo games are starting to get really bad after they go into 3.0 I dont know maybe 90% of their work time they do nothing in hoyo
Hsr better
Minor mouth movements, facial expressions and some new model animations can lo a long way. But I suppose Hoyoverse as a small indie company lacks the budget for it unlike Kuro games.
Yup. It's all about presentation, and HoYo is letting their games suffer in that area.
Definitely.
Only a large company like Kuro withblots of money can hite a movie director and choreographers to integrate so much detail into the story presentation.
A small company like Hoyo just does not have the budget for that 😂
Come on guys you gotta give Hoyo break after all their CEO cried on stage give this company an apology lmao 😂
Yeah Hoyo need to apologize instead LOL
@@Stixxy I mean, you can say that about Genshin and HSR but you can absolutely not say that about ZZZ. The presentation, Animations etc are insane. Doesn't even feel like a Hoyo IP
Wuthering waves ain't a "gacha" its secretly an AAA game disguised as a gacha😏
Very true. What's your favorite part of the game?
@@Stixxy Gathering wives there ofc😏
i have the same idea
@@Stixxy everything
The Moment i realized that Genshin hast around Double the gb I thougt wtf, how can IT need this much space
this is just my guess but i think Wuthering waves/kurogames invests all their money in research and development for the game or at least a large amount, i just saw a data miner on social media where he found character "wet" textures in files (only Carlotta) that more or less tells me that they are researching these immersion details to innovate the open world, i think Enfield also has something similar but i'm not sure.
the problem with mihoyo and that perhaps many people are realizing with wuthering waves and with enfield is that mihoyo does not seem to invest the money in research and development, but in marketing, that is because hoyogames start to age in a strange way and players start to find a lack of innovation in elements within the games.
preach bruh!! that's exactly what i've noticed HSR started out innovating but then it's stagnated in an absurd way that doesn't make sense.
Definitely marketing imo. I often getting hsr, genshin, and zzz youtube ads, never I got wuwa or pgr ads since they got released for some reason
@@hxppythxughts7149 because kuro really don't advertise that much. Advertisement from kuro that I've seen so far (both PGR and Wuwa) are mostly about the new updates and new contents taken from their official page/channel.
coudn't agree more, that facts is true
Yes.
Kuro definitely has invested in a lot of things that don't immediately show, but add value over time.
From motion capture to detailed rigging of the models to actors or theater directors to someone with background as movie director.
The very login screen has a dolly zoom effect that shows knowledge of precise canerawork. May look like a detail. It is not.
HSR shots look like it's from a high school project. WuWa shots look like they have a proper cinematographer.
Yes.
I finally find someone that also appreciates the direction and camerawork.
Even high school project looks better than that
Wuwa did alot of in game engine animation for 2.0 i liked that we clink glasses and drank with Zani and seeing Carlotta’s pretty curtsy when she introduced herself ❤
Yup, they've done phenomenal work!
Yup, they've done phenomenal work!
@@Stixxy yeah hsr has no skip button its all so much just yap its annoying
The presentation and camera shots in Wuwa are absolutely unbeatable. Current Hoyo games will never beat kuro games because they are far too lazy. Even the longer dialogues were bearable. When I hear dialogues in Genshin, HSR or Zzz I fall asleep in record time.
Even the gameplay in zzz is so boring. And the 50/50 system in the weapon banner is so pathetic. No more hoyogames.
mihoyo is gone with the end of honkai impact 3rd part 1
@@emilia4944the gameplay is debatable depending on who you ask. I for one love it. And the weapon banner is 75/25, could be 100% but it's still a gacha of a different company at the end of the day
I don't play Zzz anymore either, but it's definitely the best Hoyo game. and the gameplay is okay. You just shouldn't compare it with Wuwa. A decent game.
Even the gameplay in zzz is so boring. And the 50/50 system in the weapon banner is so pathetic. No more hoyogames.
Even in wuwa there's one side quest involving ex-captain wanting to go hunt treasure behinds the clouds by rocketing his gondola echo using other echos. Though unvoiced, It still has unqiue comedy-like cutscenes for each echos he tried. Quite a funny experience for a random side quest imo
Love this quest, was the last i did and i remember very well how much fun i hadLOL
that quest was so funny i will never forget it XD
I'm still wondering how he is still alive after so many fails XD
With that age and he can still tank those kind of falls
@@ivanmartinez743 Same here 😂 it cracks me up.
Old man: *falls from the sky several hundred feet up*
"Oh me oh my, what a fall! Better go back up there and try again!"
@@ivanmartinez743 Bc hes a captain LoL
5:56
I've been saying this since 1.1
WuWa's story is relatively simple but the presentation is what makes it such a fun ride
A simple story with great presentation is to me, more impacting than a great story with poor presentation. This is from someone who's playing Star Rail since launch.
Wuwa's story is simple? Most of my friends didn't even bother with the story because they didn't understand anything from it. It's simpler in rinascita but before that nah.
@@Kinben69 1.0 is practically your demon king resurrection story with a reawakened hero archetype. 1.1 Jué is dying and needs to pass on his powers to Jinshi. 1.2 is a festival with character growth and community building. 1.3 is the most complicated I agree. Super computer has a virus and needs new hardware. But the hardware is a person but not really a person but practically a person, so you say no.
1.0 is a heroes journey.
1.1 is liberation of fate.
1.3 is "human" rights.
The thing is, the world of Solaris-3 is so different than ours because of the Lament, there's a lot of layers to the background. But the actual narrative at post is relatively simple.
@ Wait, what? Jue was dying? I thought they passed the power over faster than anticipated just because of fractisidus doing stuff.
@Kinben69 Jué was wounded a while ago and foresaw that, through its passing, time would be impacted in Huanlong. It'd be similar to Mt. Firmament but, happening in Jinzhou times 20. Time would be both going forward and backwards and be out of wack. But, Jué wanted to just freeze time so that maybe in the future, people can figure out how to fix the time displacement. But Jinhsi didn't agree with that so she staked on her life on a second resonance awakening by clashing with Jué's frequency and adopting the temporal mandate.
I don't remember when Jué was attacked by the Fractsidus I believe it was prior to it finding Jinhsi (Hsi at the time). It sped up the process but it was bound to happen.bJué saw that in the crying the baby was very powerful and decided to reverse time to before the baby died so that she can eventually surpass it, and that's why it chose her as it's resonator.
Even before WuWa and HSR 3.0, I’ve been criticizing how poorly the story has been executed. While I do like the story of HSR and there are a lot of great animated cutscenes, it doesn’t justify it when 80%+ of the story is just the characters standing there cycling through three emotes.
Hopefully going forward, this is a wake up call for HSR to put more effort into showing the story rather than telling it.
Last (second) season of That Time I git Reincarnated as a Slime was 80 to 90% people standing or sitting around a table and talking endlessly.
Many of us criticized that animated cartoons are meant to show movement.
You have no idea how people defended the lack of animation because "that is what happens in the novel".
Watching the scenes above, I felt the same. Lazy animation from a team that is more focused in text and voice than in the visual part of multimedia.
HSR has the reverse problem as Wuwa. Starts with it's peak storytelling with the Belobog story line, dips quality in Xianzhou, then somehow manages to make with worst with Penacony, even though they hyped it up because of Shoji.
HSR has the reverse problem as Wuwa. Starts with it's peak storytelling with the Belobog story line, dips quality in Xianzhou, then somehow manages to make with worst with Penacony, even though they hyped it up because of Shoji.
The trend is that hoyo games are aging like milk.
Genshin started good(maybe too good just because of covid buff) but slowly turned to what is now and is just kept relevant and alive by hoyo's massive cult like player base that loves bare-minimum children scamming slop
HSR sadly is now following Genshin's foot steps quite perfectly, they started very well too hence the birth of "Genshin could never" but now people can also say HSR could never with the power creep and atrocious story telling
ZZZ is probably next, and let's stop pretending like ZZZ ain't a hoyo game give it 1+ year it would start to show massive issues
Meanwhile WuWa is aging like fine wine, it may have started not that good but the longer the game is out the better it is becoming and 2.0 is the best testament to that
i trust that zzz devs will see the light. Hoyo totally has the ability to make good presentation, and epic moments, shown by every example here, as long as zzz is humble they will be great and improve, just like wuwa
I think ZZZ will be hoyoverse's best gacha even tho I'm not really a fan of the combat in it over WuWa, I can still see why people enjoy it, also it's their first game that's released with REAL competition, the "Genshin could never" phrase spawned out of people wanting genshin to get better REALLY bad, but it just felt like Hoyo was trolling us as players giving everything we wanted in genshin to HSR instead, now they have REAL competition and players dont have to settle for lazy slop like the way they tell the story in HSR...
After being disappointed twice now, I'm less optimistic with ZZZ's devs now. I hate it when Genshin's and HSR's devs was treated as if they are from different companies, when they both work for Hoyoverse.
They will start better for sure, until Hoyoverse decides they need these "better devs" to work on their newest game, and the old GI and HSR devs work on ZZZ.
i trust that zzz devs will see the light. Hoyo totally has the ability to make good presentation, and epic moments, shown by every example here, as long as zzz is humble they will be great and improve, just like wuwa
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I saw the whole hsr 3.0 in gacha smack’s livestream and that shit was hilarious 🤣 Bro started doing push ups the second he got a black screen.
😂😂😂
For once, I didn't lose 10+ 50/50s in a row in wuwa as I did in HSR. Lost another one today and immediately uninstalled.
LMAO I always lose my 50/50s. Every damn time.
@@Stixxy Almost makes it seem like it's not actually 50/50 at all, huh?
That’s just gacha luck. Has nothing to do with the game itself. I’ve lost very few 5050s and gotten very lucky in WW too. There are people who get unlucky in WW. Has no barring on the game itself
@@ezioasasyn2394 Trust me it aint 50/50, especially in Genshin cause I lost my 50/50 TWELVE TIMES in a row and I had enough and quit and found HSR which was great at the beginning as I was winning 50/50 a lot BUT after patch I think 2.5 I kept losing my 50/50 to fricken Gepard and Yanging (I think I said that right), and I quit after the bad story telling and zero voices in 3.0 and invested all my time to WuWa. Reason being is because I have only lost two 50/50, but still have every character besides the 2.0 characters, and the story, combat character designs and exploration was way more engaging then GI and HSR, to me personally.
Nah on genshin and zzz i keep losing 50/50 8 times out of 10 while wuwa i won most of the time. I started doubting the system of hoyo when i lost every 50/50 on genshin except once. Zzz happening the same.
I mean, the natural movement will always be unnoticed because our brain think "It's natural to move like that"
While HSR, kinda robotic movement 😂
This is just real facts, like Hoyo has messed up so much and so badly I can say this because I have friends who still play Hoyo games and also Wuwa and even they admit Wuwa is much better in many ways.
WuWa 2.0, 3 acts in 6-7 hours vs HTR 3.0, 1 Act in 10+ hours enough said 😅
Yes i like the fact that wuwa nicely split a long 7-8hr quest placed pit stops for us…especially during that elevator scene the game is teasing me “you really wanna stop now?” 😂
@@scrappy_horns8139 this! this is the most underrated part of Wuwa. I never realized how good the Acts are when it comes as a pit stop.
Isn't wuwa like 10 hours of yapping? Also current patch is not the end of Rinascita story.
@@Exoskel2if wuwa is yapping, hsr is endless bedtime story, i can literally fall asleep n wake up few times while going thru all their yapping
@@Exoskel210 hours yapping? You must be stoned huh 😂.
Stopped HSR in 1.0 and am glad i did. I dont want to be excited for units i know will be irrelevant in 1-2 patches.
And the story has become just a yapfest, with more exposition than anything else
That part is honestly really really really sad. But at the same time I’m still a very happy Jiyan main since 1.0.
You may have the best product, but without good presentation, no one will be bothered about it.
Yup, presentation is important! Some people don't understand that.
As a player of both games, I do enjoy both stories still but ngl HSR's didnt have me as hyped as it usually does. The 3.0 story itself is fine, but compared to the extra movement and camera angles WW has, it did add onto the experience of 2.0. Now I think HSR was always held back by the idle poses the characters do in the shots but I think they can make up for it with camera angles which is what WW did amazingly well in 2.0. Still I think HSR commited to this type of style so most likely the storytelling will remain the same sadly and people are just noticing how bad the way the story is being told now.
i think Hsr Is getting more hate due to some toxic opinions about the story in penacony or blowing up
Star Rail became more and more of a "Get this character for a certain function", while the older characters objectively lost in power. In WuWa i get characters for their kit and how fun they play. I still play Jiyan, a 1.0 unit, because his dragon ult is cool and his kit fun to play.
Also Star Rail delivered (for the money they go), worse content at a slower rate. Their stories always consisted of more and more teasing to the next patch.
Meanwhile in WuWa we got a world deciding endbattle with a huge dragon over space time in 1.1. Including getting the resonator of the dragon as a unit AND the dragon as a usable echo. Star Rail would have teased that for at least half a year.
The only thing Star Rail had over WuWa, was that things were actually at stake with multiple deaths involved. This turned completely around with all those fake deaths and resurrections in Star Rail.
He will be boosted when a better sub DPS than mortefi come
Bruh i got Jiyan from his rerun and boi oh boi, for a day 1 limited 5star character he is freakin strong. Like my Tower runs improved significantly ever since Jiyan added to my roster. I'm now grinding for his nightmare monke to make him above and beyond what i can already do with him 👀 I'm actually thinking of getting his Signature weapon if he got another rerun coz for now I'm using Jinshi's weapon.
whats your opinion on a new player. Like i want to give wuwa a go but always hate the fact of starting a game late and missing out on so many pulls and character banners. Similar to hsr where i started late and its nearly impossible to beat all chaos memory stages and pure fiction. If someone can persuade me a reason to start wuwa let me know. Because i feel like if i start now somehow wuwa will die down quick and lose popularity or something
@@bobjohnson6131 never play a game, because its popular. Play a game, because its fun for you. I am going to be honest here: New player experience for WuWa is extremely rough. The story in 1.0 from Act 1-3 is kinda bad. After that it just gets progressively better. Already Mt Firmament is REALLY good.
I can give you advice from a person that quit at the end of 1.0 and came back at the end of 1.3:
Its fun, you get a lot of pulls just from playing. Endgame (Hologram) is a skillcheck. Other endgame (Tower of Adversity) is more of a dmg check (kinda bad, you have to get lucky with echo stats).
Exploration is one of the best in the Gacha space:
- infinite running
-running on walls
- Flying (Rinascita only atm sadly)
- a lot of small qol insta jumping/grapple points
You honestly dont pull for meta in this game, you pull, because you like a character and how they play.
I missed out on a free Xiangli Yao, but got him in his rerun, because he was just that fun to play.
Powercreep doesnt really exist atm. More of a better design creep.
Gacha is better than competition with 80 pity and a guaranteed weapon banner. Still 50/50 on character banner.
Tldr; one of the few Gachas that get more fun, the longer you play. Because they genuinely improve the game with each update and you also learn to play the characters and the mechanics with time.
HSR 3.0 for me was kinda... lacking. I wouldn't say the story is boring, but i desperately wanted to skip some parts. Then it suddenly... ended.
For Wuwa 2.0 i felt more "engaged" by the whole environment, the story wasn't fast paced either, but it felt more... Immersive, somehow. So I felt less rushed to do it, while in HSR i felt a rush and a complete lack of control of what the pacing was.
Graphics and all matter a bit, but HSR felt lazy on the dialogues, 0 expression on character's faces, etc. so it kinda blew it for me. WuWa was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more entertaining, while I still didn't dislike 3.0
It’s unbelievable how expressive WuWa is in its scenes and story! What was your favorite part of 2.0?
@@Stixxy The elevator into the landscape of the region (reminding ni no kuni 2), the walk into the cathedral to talk to Primus in the end of the act, the stained glass lore, the meeting with the elf, Brant saving us from the whale, idk man, so many cool stuff hahaha but I guess in that order. So many memorable things from story alone
Fun information: wuwa will add wet models for characters.
Take it as you want 😉
kuro planning to install more physics plug-ins 😂
Wait...... that's just freakin reminds me of Nier automata 👀
What are you talking about stix. Hsr's 3.0 animation is as diverse as... Wuwa's npc designs...
LMAO I can see those shots fired from all the way over here.
"B...but hoyo make more money than kuro." Hoyoshills said. 🤣
It’s a fact that Hoyoverse makes significantly more money than Wuwa on a monthly basis. But doesn’t that make it even worse? Hoyoverse’s games generate ten times the revenue, yet the quality they deliver falls far short compared to games that earn only a fraction of what they do.
MCD makes more money but doesn't make it best food on the world compared to michelin star outlet/restaurant
I was really surprise to see Margherita actually putting food on the table instead of just making it be there on the table already. The characters continue to hold glasses and clink them as well.
Sure it looks a bit awkward, but I'm just happy Kuro actually add details like these.
WuWa will always be a gacha game, but because of how it one upped itself than being a gacha game, it sets the high fidelity standards up a notch. To me it's still a game than a gacha, it's just that gacha term being normalized without much thought that people are missing out
Comparing storytelling is absolutely fair play. But one is an open world action game, and another is a large map segmented turn-based game. So I try not to say one is better than the other because the audience is different.
But, like I said this is a comparison of storytelling and style sometimes that can be affected by the combat and setting, I think the conversations around the animation quality and expressiveness in story telling is fair.
A cutscene is a cutscene regardless of game type.
Wuwa 2.0 is surely better. HSR 3.0 comes with budget animation and 3 famous pose styles.............
"THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM" AHH TACTIC...
"if we can't have it, then nobody will" narrative.
I think this all make sense, hoyo has percieved that hsr (and genshin) has achieved trust and retention of their playerbase with how long they already out so they can produce stable/safe content and milk the playerbase to death. The same cannot be said for wuwa (and zzz) to even gain trust they still need to take risk, innovate, and (by the god) listening to playerbase.
and zzz probably will end up like hsr and gi when hoyo decide to release their new game, also dont forget that zzz make a lot less money compare to gi and hsr on their early patch, thats why they keep adding all those qol and content into zzz
I just, well the reason i just wanna call out hsr is well, the revenue they bring, the money they get, why don't it reflect as much on the game itself? they can hire animators, they can hire more voice actors
I mean kuro ain't brining that bag yet they deliver, so idk whats the excuse of hoyo unless they are just using the revenue for other games, maybe zzz being its new kid
They’ve become too big and corpa bro…no more slogan of “otaku save the world” anymore
its a cycle my friend, back then people praise hsr and says that the hsr devs doing a much better job compare to genshin devs, now its zzz turn to get the praise and hsr become the problem child, soon when they release a new game its zzz turn to become the problem child and that new game will be the one that get praised
@ what makes Gi then in this case tho?
@ life is not daijoubu
If WuWa is in the deepest depths of bad storytelling, the only way forward is to go up.
5:10 I'd like to add, what makes hoyoverse look so bad here in hsr and genshin as well, is the fact that for that game, something of this quality would be considered a "cinematic cutscene". Think about that for a second.
This is just a standard story interaction, and i wont mentioned the engine they're using either, i will not be giving excuses or hand outs to a billion dollar company that does not deliver.
Now let me say it once more. THIS IS A STANDARD STORY INTERACTION. i never feel the need to ask for cinematic cutscenes because the game actually has animations for its characters.
I mean dude, Rover actually drank from the glass he was having with Zani in ragunna.
if it was star rail: "You take a sip from the glass and cherish its splendor" Bitch no i didnt, WHERE DID THAT HAPPEN
3.0 isnt as bad as their making it out to be
Its not exactly a master class in storytelling
But the story itself is interesting it just needs better presentation
And proper voice over for everyone
That’s the purpose of this video. I’m not comparing stories, rather, how the stories are presented. One feels like a flowing JRPG while the other feels like a mobile game with little effort. Again - not the story itself for reference.
We all know HSR had good story but that but it didnt stop me from falling asleep mid 3.0 quest bro…i dont wanna talk to a butterfly for over 15mins exposition on lore 😅 i rather they show me like how Wuwa does it with the elevator scene, meeting Lorelei, the Averardo vault and the Dirge Dragon…
At least Wuwa had some dynamic in gestures and expressions…also Wuwa kindly split a long 7-8hr quest into 3 parts/acts and puts in pit stops for us…
I will say that at the very least im liking Amphoreus more than Penacony.
Some say the story is good, but the storytelling needs improvement.
Wuwa also has removed a lot of unnecessary dialogues, sure it's shorter but it's way more consumable
I hate the black screens in HSR, I just can’t get used to them. They had good talking points but they didnt show the Titans that they keep texting about on the bottom of the screen. The butterfly scene felt insulting.
The lack of voice acting aside, they didn't even bother animating mouth movement or any facial expressions.
BTW, I found Camellya's favorite spot very soon after I completed 1.4 story, and I can confidently state it's lucky. I pulled two copies within about 100 pulls throughout Camellya's banner.
It's AI, if the character is not voiced, their mouth won't move because there's nothing to sync it with.
yo, i got in stix video. LETS GOOO!!
Thank you for your incredible contribution, Adam! I hope I did your royal Blobbiness justice!
I would classify WuWa's storytelling as cinematic.
It integrates animation, expressions, perspecrive, camera muvements and angles, transitions....
Someone in the team at Kuro knows about acting, movies and camerawork.
And it shows since 1.0.
we are so spoilt by WuWa and ZZZ...an ZZZ is part of Hoyo and at a complete guess likely makes less revenue than HSR & Genshin yet delivers a better narrative experience personally
yep from the first 5 seconds i could see, how kuro made a cinematic approach like a movie
I need to give WuWa another shot.
Also my biggest problem with HSR at the moment is the powercreep, and the lack of new preservation character. The last new preservation unit was released I think in April of 2024. 9 months ago.
Back to powercreep, I won't spend anymore money if it gets to the point where my current DPS units start struggling.
For me HSR is the better game since for me open wolds are just a pain but i agree the presentation of 3.0 and the endless yapping need some serious work better then Penacony tho imo
Agreed man hsr is the only hoyo game I like because of how easy and fast it is to complete things
HSR doesn't need to improve, as long as players are still spending money.
I prefer ZZZ most in story telling with its variety of techniques but when limited to just 3D story telling and cinematography WuWa is best.
People just has FOMO in Hoyo games, cannot leave those poor games and come to hate WuWa.
2:51 The change of POV looks like changing the POV on CCTV😂
Fnaf type shit
This is why comparing games, especially predatory gacha games to each other only serves the consumers.
It's clearer what kuro devs are doing, but dayum... anyone who's still playing Hoyo games with wuthering waves will actually ruin your experience with hoyo games as it shows how dull it is.
I enjoy ZZZ more than Wuwa to be fair (I don't play GI or HSR).
The more flashy combat and no Open World is more my thing
@@Arkwing it okay thou you play what you like.
firstly it isnt better... secondly all gacha are the same from current ones? none is better you can just think what type of genre or story vibe you prefer...
so I like the most honkai star rail why? because of honkai impact 3 and final fantasy turn based :)
saying wuwa is crazy advanced have something new? I DIDNT SEE IT... STORY 2.0 was also boring for me... ignoring RIN FROM FATE i didnt see anything good i prefered Changli story the most :D.
Games what can be better than current ones? i mean a progress up....
ARE ANANTA and AZUR PROMILIA
if they wont be then what to say? all are the same the different is genre.
none open world gacha is close to open world single player games or even mmo... for people that think something is cool in genshin or wuwa... because they invented it or made? all older games had it 10 years ago or 20 xd
also im tired of these titles... genshin is better... wuwa is better. hsr is better... all of you streamers are the same im gonna unsub all of you... im tired of your bullshit titles...
if look only at story writing? hsr is top tier
music? hsr *players from hi3 and nostalgic? hsr... many people firsdt gacha game wasnt genshin it was hi3*
sad story... music? ZZZ
open world? WUWA cutscenes? WUWA/ZZZ, fight system? WUWA/ZZZ... best turn based combat? HSR/FGO
genshin? I didnt like this game from the beginning even click type gachas were better and less boring yes im type of players that hate genshin from the beginning.
best quality feet? and f2p? girls frontline 2
now most important? drop rate... money... gacha system... who is the best? NONE because some of them are worse or better in other things... still GFL 2 is winning if think about f2p.
WUWA? combination of ZZZ with genshin impact
HSR combination of HI3 and Fate Grand Order maybe even a little CRPG games like baldur gate or final fantasy
Genshin? weak
GFL2? FEET XDDDD gods i hope i just made you laugh a little bro
powercreep? I didnt saw any turn based game without powercreep so like in HSR
powercreep ZZZ vs Genshin vs Wuwa? WUWA WINNING because seriously new chars in wuwa isnt much better than older ones i mean banner chars vs banner chars. while in ZZZ every next is better but in genshin even more.
NOW BRO LETS DO IT! COMPARE HSR POWERCREEP to HI3? HI3 had much worse powercreep XD but people loved this game because of story.... honkai had always story teelling/writing very good i mean interesting... just i wont deny the fact that HSR should be as many cutscenes as ZZZ because ZZZ have x4 more cutscenes if not 5x more
I seriously dont protect any gacha because gacha is gacha but saying gacha is gacha not mean these games shouldnt be more f2p and developers shouldnt more even more when they earn money similar to rockstar games XDD I hope mihoyo will remove projtect petit planet and do new open world without being greedy like all gacha companies but impossible.
so if think about story alone? I mean puzzles, branching, curiosity about what would happen next and story writing HSR 3.0 is best
if think about more cutscenes and quality of them? ZZZ and WUWA is equal in that topuc hsr losing a lot in 3.0 but the story is much much much more interesting if you read all text because is better than old patches... and even more interesting if you know Hi3 for me HSR was made for players honkai impact so it is like honkai impact 4
yeah titles of these streamers and all of them from gacha community are crazy xd
and yes i agree with you fully none of these games are masterpiece.
they are the same in 75%. the difference? one is turn based, one is open world, one is how to name ZZZ? not open world :p
one word to STIXXY the worst? is solo leveling arise and fate grand order if you want to know powercreep and 100% not f2p and fgo generally doesnt have cutscenes? but storywriting? story telling? fgo have still a lot of players. good story doesnt need to have cutscenes but many streamers are too lazy and would prefer skip all and watch only cutscenes it is called laziness of 2k20-2k25+ too much tiktok also I'm anti skip button in main story. side quests i don't care
my fav game is ZZZ
I will stop play it {if Ananta gonna be amazing} or any good mmo will be out.. im tired of current gacha games
about hsr powercreep? I dont know much i just know blade from the beginning was useless but I'm one of these that play gacha games long time and are taught that powercreep is normal
Its definitely gotten better with 2.0, but at this point I almost see no point in talking to people the games advocates directly on youtube at length. They just want their circa 1990s fanbase war and trash talk basically. Everything is black and white and just a matter of hurling insults and catchphrases at fans of other games.
I played many gacha game. However, on January 2025 with the release of multiple big updates, I have to give it to Wuwa. Never once I yawn or feel tired exploring the new region. GI doesn't have that much of an impact in their archon quest (Furina just set the bar way too high). As for HSR, I keep thinking when will this end. When will this end. At least the exploration in HSR is slightly better and enjoyable for me compared to GI
The more money a Hoyo game makes, the worse its quality becomes. What a shame.
Careful stix, you're gonna piss off the 17 morbillion hoyo players with this one
Hey stix nice cut
hehe thanks man!
Kuro: Trying to claw in market and inovating
Mihoyo: Coperate lazyness
Imagine playing a stop motion game in 2025 .. HoyoClowns ~ 🤡🤡🤡
Ngl I'm starting to believe if WuWa ever makes a character that is mute or deaf but uses technology to compensate their disability they will probably find a way to incorporate sign language in that character story even if it's just for a moment, the presentation and storytelling is what makes it engaging like how they are telling their current story.
Just look at the face of the characters. One is animated, one is coping.
Tbh currently ZZZ much enjoyable in hoyo games...they rise the standard quality of hoyo games...in gameplay,storytelling...u cant deny zzz much way better than HSR n Genshin
I dont want included wuwa since it not hoyo also people will think im kurobot...so im just gonna give example of hoyo games only
Imo wuwa n zzz is good gacha games to play rn 🙏
GI's animation : mostly just arm cross and right hand moves twice
HSR's animation : mostly just arm cross and right hand waves twice
guess like brother like sister
HSR: black screen with white text
Wuwa: lot of moves animation
Yup. Presentation is everything!
the problem here is "wuwa main story is whole like animated" if there's skip button over there u will not clik it 🤤🤤
I play both games my current problem with HSR is the hp inflation ang my trash RNG with the main and sub stat rolls and the fact that other characters are still not dubbed,
With WUWA its great my problem with it is the unleveled or level 0 echoes can't be used to level echoes, I always overcap my inventory with mismatched elemental bonus echoes ( ex. Haboc damage with a lightning set echo) and I can't play it for more than 30minutes since my eyes start to burn.
There's something very simple in any storytelling, the simple movement of the eyes. You can put 4 people like immobile sticks in a room while they chat, but with the simple act of seeing their eyes move, you already get a sense of vitality in the characters. HSR doesn't even have that. Its models look completely lifeless, it's not just a matter of the cameras, the VA or the staging.
adambob saying not a companion quest and shows the last scene of a companion quest which still butchers the HSR main story quest good job adam
The same kind of thing bugs me with like the Natlan patch and people are disappointed. It’s a matter of preference so some also enjoyed it but not every patch or piece of story is going to be for you or is going to be hitting every single time. Annoys me with like character banners and people complaining about them. One banner is good, next banner “oh this is awful, why can’t we get good banners all the time” when a great deal of people enjoyed the banner 😂 fucking people. There’s always an issue
I always had this je ne sais quoi wanting me to skip dialogue on HSR. When put in the spot side to side like this the difference in quality and presentation is probably what makes me just skip through dialogue or do something else while the unskippable cutscenes play out in HSR or ZZZ to some extent, not a fan of the comic book format (yes i know you can skip there).
It's the little details even the little eye movements they make, subtle camera pans and switches and expressiveness that keep you that little bit more engaged and immersed.
when I said that 3.0 was mid the amount of hate I got was insane
This is a F2P AAA Game funded through Gacha system, as much as I despise gacha as a mechanics, It's undeniable that they're at least putting the money they got to good use here!
It's also definitely feels like a game that is made with PC in mind, given all the little details and QoL updates they've been doing for the game...
Stix did you forget about the old jrpg formula? (Like persona)
Day1 player for both games. If Endfield improves it's gacha system, I will be dropping HSR. The only good Hoyo game now is ZZZ.
I love ZZZ but HSR was also once great. I hope not the same thing happens to ZZZ down the line. One can only hope
@@Arkwing I'm sure it will happen to zzz too when hoyo begins earn more money with it. It just hoyo policy or you may call it curse.
1:50 in Wuwa they still do it. They do it with 2% more animations but still. Dialogue animation in general is jsut attrocious in those games.
mute the sound for both... it's clear which has the better animations.
Agree, Wuwa Non-cutscene dialogue is HSR & Genshin Cutscene
Partially voiced cut-scenes with auto advance are the worst, I'll be listening in on auto play, hear an uncomfortable pause, then realize too late it was one of the characters talking.
Kuro better company than hoyo.
HSR story was so boring I started skipping your video LMFAO. I genuinely felt so frustrated playing hsr 3.0 I was completely baffled by how poor the quality was. I believe it is not only hoyoverse slacking off, it is also WUWA 2.0 being a genuine high budget triple A quality.
I didn't get invested as much in WuWa 1.4's story and really didn't pay attention cause I don't like Camellya so I got a bit confused as to what happened in between the end of 1.4 and the beginning of 2.0. But despite that I was still able to enjoy and eventually follow the beginning part, mostly because Shorekeeper is there, but also the presentation of the story was very visually interesting especially that transition to the flashback with Abby.
I wish I could enjoy WuWa like others do, but outside of Endfield (even that's a big maybe), I don't think I'll ever stick with an open world gacha with action combat.
I don't get it why people excuse this when gachas, ESPECIALLY Hoyo make so much money. Indies do better with less, (good) AAA do better with less, why are we lowering our standards for gacha?
pgr star ensnared patch story has better 3d animation than HSR 3.0 im crying 😭
Meanwhile people who play Games in JP dub: no problem for me
I lose 50/50 to that dragon boy, now at 40 pulls and only 2 days left 😱
i think wuwa is trying to stay afloat against the other future competitors, (arknights enfield/ananta/NTE)
Gathering Wives is too good to be true.
I wish they added the option to have flight on the other areas too though
Nah they lack a lot of voice. It's acceptable if it's a little like zzz. ZZZ lack only 4 or 5 lines. But now it ruined my mood. If they haven't finished recording they shouldn't release 3.0 and need to wait
Yeah for ZZZ there seemed to be "normal" problems since those EN VA are already satisfied with their agency (at least in regards to the ai voice topic)
Is really disappointing how Honkai Star Rail hasn't improved anything on 3.0 compared to 2.0. Is funny how we used to compare Honkai with Genshin back on the time and now Genshin looks like they have cooked more with Natlan, and made look Honkai team like the lazy ones
I still refuse to play games that require new phone every year (unreal engine) but still... Hsr did something wrong in the X.0 patch. I don't mind if this issue in filler patch
HSR problem is releasing too many chars in 3.0 patch with costant powercreep
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I disagree. This serves the clear purpose of enhancing the experience of the game for the player. These little details go a long way and I am glad that they are there.
Honestly both looked bad. But HSR slightly badder.
The thing miyoho should learn is "show dont tell" right?
I'm new to Wuwa, been playing for two weeks but didn't gotten into it. Still playin. Maybe it needs time
HSR is a good game. The Devs are just Lazy as hell
I actually think all of HoYo’s games are good games! But yes, HoYo just continues to be HoYo, dragging their games down when they should be elevating them!
makes me worried if the same will happen to ZZZ down the line
@@Arkwing why not?
@@Stixxyits baffling that there were no innovations or evolutions in their in game animations since HSR 1.0…i thought it was the most obvious thing they should improve on…
@@Arkwing Always remember the 1.4 patch as the ZZZ clutch. Players are having bad reviews and mass uninstalling the game. They will improve it again if slap in the face once more so I think ZZZ would not be as worse as the Genshin and HSR Direction
Not every versions going turn out better if it’s from Hoyoverse
That's what I said! I agree!
Completely doesn’t matter that voice acting is missing in Hoyo games, those long dialogues are so long and boring ughhhhh
as a person working in a manga industry, I can already see hoyo is VERY lacking in visual stry telling. Suggestion for them, maybe start hiring a storyboard artist.
Wuthering Waves Pity System is WAY better than all Hoyoverse games.
There's still a 50/50 tho. While some games give you 100 percent guaranteed. (Pgr)
So yeah, not the best.
@bunnyx2819 Its literally called GACHA lmao
Still higher pity yet lower rate than hi3, definitely not all hoyoverse games.
@@vyamayuri hi3rd is x280 per pull tho
@@dreamsandhopes6802
90 for character, 60 for weapon.
1.5% and 2.487 drop rates.
In part 1 it's 100 for character, up to 200 for part 1's s ranks but every 10 pull guarantee you a 5 star weapon / stigmata.
Currently it's better than wuwa, where that 280 comes from (￣ヘ￣;)?
what i don't like about hsr is they lock huge character potentials in eidolons. and the yapping. wuwa better in every aspect.
wuwa is the best gacha for me right now. i really getting beautiful times with this game