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Mace Windu’s Vaapad Was A Restricted Lightsaber Form - Star Wars
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Darth Sidious labeled Lightsaber Form VII as the “Sith style.” Formally known as Juyo, it was restricted by the Jedi Order, as it was the most ferocious form of lightsaber combat and many who practiced it fell to the dark side.
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During the final years of the Republic, Jedi Master Mace Windu, with the assistance of fellow master Sora Bulq, developed a variation of Form VII called Vaapad. Although it still carried the risk of leading to the dark side, Windu described Vaapad as more of a mindset than a fighting technique. Windu himself said, “I developed Vaapad to answer my own weakness and channel my inner darkness into a weapon of the light.” Vaapad demanded that a Jedi embrace the thrill of battle and the desire to win, contradicting the Jedi Code’s tenet of “There is no emotion, there is peace.” This transformed the Jedi into one side of a superconducting loop, where the darkness flowed through them without corrupting them. But even use of this variation was restricted by the Jedi Council.
Mace Windu is the best example of "We work in the dark, so you can live in the Light."
"I am the council!"
Probably mace windu
Yoda:THE COUNCIL *WE* ARE
Jedi order: But, but you can't use this form!
Mace L. Windu: I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A GOD DAMN THING
Nah wheres the motherfucker
SAY form 7 again! I DARE you! I DOUBLE DARE YOU, mother******!
Unleash your "MOTHA FUCKA..." My Lord
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this is heavily funny...🤣🤣🤣
Dam windu should be a poet 😅
windu is the closest in modern star wars to the original jedi, force users who followed the will of the force instead of strictly using the light side, he embraces his darkness and doesn’t let it control him which is what i think all jedi should do
He was the bane of the sith
@@infebrisLol not at all. Windu doesn't follow the will of the force, he follows the will of the Senate. Also, darkness × light isn't balance. Darkside users feed on the force and therefore the only way to have balance is to exterminate them. The Jedi at that point were soldiers for the republic, so they also had to go, so that a new generation of Jedi, with true balance could come. That is Luke and his academy.
@@infebrisThis is how Anakin fulfilled his prophecy, he brought balance by killing off the Sith and the Jedi-soldiers. What you were describing is more like what Qui Gon tried to be.
@@infebrisNah, Windu assumed the Republic was the ultimate good in the galaxy. He was a part of many bad decisions made by the council.
Mace should of took Yoda spot as grand master during the clone wars he was like a war time president they needed
Mace led the Jedi council before Yoda did.
@@adrianwoodley1506because Yoda allowed it. Yoda was the Grandmaster of tue entire order. Many things yo deal with. I personally believe that being almost 900 when he died that Yoda probably saw more war than Mace could even fathom
@blazinjedi2008 That's why Yoda stuck to the traditions of the Jedi. This war was probably a cake walk compared to the wars of the past. It was just more confusing with Palpy boy.
@@adrianwoodley1506That never happened, what you talking about? 😂😂
Peace is an emotion. A lack of emotion is apathy, and is truly a corruption of jedi
not necessarily... apathy could be defined as a corruption of peace...
@@joshuaohuka7719 mmmmm i feel like thats a loooooong stretch to argue definition semantics. Anything could be defined as such. But in doing so, we forget the spirit of the question. And to win at any cost, rather than learn wisdom in anothers perspective, in of itself proves the point i am trying to illustrate
Bruh everything was restricted by the jedi council
I like Mace Windu, but he was a Jedi Master on the Council that was a contradiction to all the things HE would hold other Jedi accountable for. He mastered a fighting style forbidden by the Jedi, but gave Anakin hell. He tasted the Darkside to be a conduit, but forbid others from taking a similar path as he did. Therefore it makes his character one that either you love him hate him, or is just indifferent about him. But there is no denying that he was a highly skilled Jedi Master.
@@Myrid-oo4xm Anakin was given hell as a 6 year old boy when Qui-Gon Jinn brought him before the Council, but Windu took on a Force Sensitive child that was damn near a teenager when he found her. He trained her and she even had a seat on the Council at one point. Windu was a by the book Jedi, and the Jedi book and philosophies were deeply flawed, and aided in their downfall. That’s why so many Jedi defected and either joined the Darkside, the Separatist movement led by Count Dooku, or went their own way like Ashoka Tano.
not to be petty but “either you love him, you hate him, or youre indifferent” is a long way to say nothing lol
@@kayenby No it isn’t, you just don’t comprehend the statement. It means that there are people who will argue that Mace Windu was the Greatest Jedi ever, then there are those who will argue that he is overrated as a Jedi and was deeply flawed, and then there are fans of the Star Wars franchise who can give a flip about Mace Windu, because he didn’t matter to how we knew things would turn out with Anakin. That’s what my statement meant. If you’ve seen discussions on Mace Windu, people just make a big deal over nothing, and many have not read the novels to get a better understanding of the characters. They just solely depend on movies that, George Lucas overtinkered with, and wrongly left out things that would kill a lot of the senseless chatter in comments sections.
@@Myrid-oo4xm What are you talking about? Your comments are just out of nowhere. Are you talking about Windu or Anakin? And what’s the basis of your statement? Because my point is that Mace Windu was wielding a fighting style that was forbidden by the same Council that overseen the Order, but the main spokesman for the Council gets to wield the style, master it, won’t teach it to worthy Jedi, and NEVER used Vapaad until he fought Palpatine. Anakin was grilled by Mace Windu, and he told Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan that the boy was too old, but yet Windu took a preteen girl and trained her as a Jedi. Windu like ALL other Force Sensitive children were taken from their family or given up to the Jedi Order by their families for a better life. So I take the position that Windu did things, but AFTER HE did them, he would prevent others from doing it. This (along with the Council’s arrogance and complacency) caused many within the Order to leave. That’s all bro. No one is tearing Mace Windu down as a character. I like him, as his Lightsaber was the very first one I bought, but if we’re being honest and non-biased about his character, he was not the most likable Jedi when you know his backstory leading up to him getting a seat on the Council.
I'm pretty neutral on Windu. Idk why people hate him so much
Mace Windu: I AM THE COUNSEL
The jedi were doomed when they decided to join in on political affairs and went from peace keepers to generals. The contradictions and the hypocrisy and the lack of trust for their "chosen one" made it so easy for palp.
they had no choice otherwise the sith would've wiped them out earlier due to many political connections
Windu was onw of the few Jedi who realized the Dark Side had to be understood, not ignored, by the jedi. Sadly, both Yoda and Windu realized this once much of the knowledge of the dark side the Jedi had once possessed was lost. Qui Gon knew this too.
I wonder how much snitching occurred in the Jedi order. "Not allowed to do this. That's forbidden. This is against the rules."
That's what I love about Anakin. He used Force Choke every five minutes in the Clone Wars show, and he'd do it in front of whoever was around. He didn't care. The Hero With No Fear did not have time for not winning battles as quickly as possible (to keep the people he loved from dying.)
Well said
Bro said Anakin is a hero even tho he committed like 70+ war crimes during the clone wars 💀
@@gundispaberzs2281but he’s the good guy so they don’t count
@@gundispaberzs2281 He can slaughter the universe and I'd still call him the hero.
@@asgharadnanadilzaidi1870that's scary homie... don't think that way...
I feel like mace was def one the most contradicting characters of the all of Star Wars he could’ve been a sith ofc stayed a Jedi but couldn’t see or feel palp even tho he was one the few Jedi that could use his inner darkness into a weapon against the sith but at the end it was his arrogance that truly ended him he’d been less proudfull he would’ve prolly been able to talk annakin down but instead he let his own style take over but at the same time it was tough situation he was getting blasted by lightning so he prolly wasn’t seeing much of an option at the end it was sidous that truly won that night if only they all saw his Manipulation erly it would’ve ended differently
This is Phenomenal. Jedi Master Mace Windu is The Most Powerful.. Mastery Over The Dark & Over The Light.
Darth Revan says hi
@@_Soundwave_Superior Hahahahahahaha that’s a nice try, but Revan was corrupted by the Darkside. Windu never was. Check & Mate.
I can understand Windu’s mindset, even as a Jedi. The Dark is the path to absolute power and in a shorter amount of time. The Light is slower, but with no corruption involved. Mace being more dark sided need Vaapaad to keep himself focused and center in the light side. Being the only Jedi in the Clone Era to dance between light and dark, one could call him the closest individual to a Bendu, but when dabbling with the dark even if it’s used for the light it still had its side effects. Easy example, Mace pulling back his lightsaber to swing down at Palpatine rather than thrust forwards into his chest. Wanting to see the helplessness in Palpatines eyes as he would’ve taken his last breath rather than either arresting him or going in for the swift kill. Dark traits for someone who’s been in the light for a very long time.
Such a underused character in my humble opinion
I would give anything to see Darth Vader facing a injured Mace Windu going: Hello MF 😂
How can a fighting style lead to changes of your moral compass basically? I can understand that someone who constantly doing something bad starts to get affected by it
But it’s odd that fighting style could lead to such changes. It’s the same as explanation of “forbidden technique that Obi wan used to cut off anakins limbs” wtf? He just swing the sword, how is that different from any other swing and why is that “forbidden technique”?
The fighting style of juyo or vaapad used the dark side to augment movements if I'm not mistaken. Make the user stronger and faster.
As for obi wan using the forbidden move on anakin, I don't think it would look good for the jedi, supposed peace keepers to be mutilating their opponents.
I mean they do, but oh well
@@ashtonimus6124so form 7 doesn't explicitly require the use of the dark side. It does however require one to draw on their anger and channel the force into every movement and strike. That combination makes it easy to fall to the dark side with the form.
@@dylansylvester4719 oh okay. Thank you for fact checking and correcting me
@@ashtonimus6124 well I mean they are using weapons that mutilates someone much more easier than not lol
I mean it’s essentially the same as if they used steel swords but the sight of blood was disturbing for a Jedi lol
Imagine if you stab someone with a beam and he just instantly falls how it may happen. Boy that’s some gory image
About fighting styles - but Jedi also increase their stats with light side, why can’t you increase your stats with light side but use sith fight technique? One is mental and the other is physical as I understand
Would've been the best style to teach Anakin Skywalker
He did well with form V
Silly Luke, shouldve use the thrill of killing Palpatine instead of using hatred during ROTJ.
If things were different, Mace Windu would have made an excellent Dark Brother on Dathomir. Change my mind.
Great quote from Purple Windu. Also how is peacefulness not an emotion?
You can actually argue that is why Mace had purple lightsabers; purple is a blend of bread and blue, which really signifies his personal beliefs in the form.
Yes, I know that Samuel Jackson specifically requested it as a Lucas/Star Wars fanboy, but that's my headcanon and I'm sticking with it. 😁
If Mace Windu had trained Anakin, I am sure he would have taught Anakin Vaapad...
Can you imagine an Anakin that had mastered Vaapad and Form 7 itself? Using his natural darkness to fight for the light?
I never liked the Jedi Order. At least the sith tells you to be whatever you want, while the Jedi think “Oh you are happy? that’s forbidden.”
I am making a mock joke to the Jedi Order so plz don’t send any nerdy hate stuff, ok? It’s annoying.
The Sith Style is the best style of lightsaber combat #LongLiveTheDarkSide 🔥
Windu’s lightsaber represents this element of darkness or aggression to him. Red + blue = purple
As far as we know, the Vaapad style was trusted only to Mace.
So, my understanding of Vaapad, is that it's Dark Side adjacent, and that using it led you dangerously close to the Dark Side, as demonstrated in Shatterpoint (great novel btw, imagine The Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse now, but Star Wars, and you've got an apt description of the novel). This guy essentially says that he was using Dark Side techniques but he wasn't calling it Dark Side, it's all good. Nah
"you can't hold the sword like that! It'll make you evil" wtf?
Mace should've never taught Vapaad to anyone because it's more powerful than Juyo. Bulq, Vos, and Bilaba should've never learned it as they all fell to the dark side. The form was, and is, Mace Windu and nobody can do the character justice than Samuel L. Jackson.
Please bring Windu back, I don't care how...lol!!!
This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.
Everything seems to be restricted by the Jedi order
One thing I hate about the Jedi is they always contradict themselves
Yeah he did it all by himself. But yet he had help. Sounds like mace.
I like to think of it as "Rising" to the dark side
I like your rebellious thinking
"Sith style" not for Darth Tyranus
who transformed them?? who channeled an evil for all??
I swear to god if Mace windy is alive and return in whatever star wars media it will be the most satisfying fan service ever made
This is why they failed. They shouldved embrace their emotions.
Lightsaber forms as some emotional extension is dumb.
Vaped?
Imagine subtle things such as this leading someone to join the Dark Side! It could technically happen, but it belongs to the category of weirdness that would make Luke kill his father and join the Emperor afterwards. Not relatable to me. Anakin's turn made sense. But you'd turn because you accidentally killed an enemy you hated a lot "way too brutally and full of anger"? Okay...
As a precursor... all right. As with Anakin killing the sand people.
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Jedis are like extremists in faith today with all their rules.when you fight you fight to win you dont restrict yourself in a fight lol.If it lead to the dark side for some then they werent meant to be jedi?
I’m glad that the Jedi council was destroyed
is Vaapad a hypocrite?
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Windu could beat anyone: Revan, Vitiate, Palpatine (did beat him), etc
I think that mace should of trained Anikan with vaapad, that way he may of gained more discipline in himself......you have to have discipline to master vaapad