Hi Ian, what a great breakdown and review of the Perun. Glad you were able to experience it at the source. AEA Arms is the sole distributor of the Perun in the US and it has taken us a very long time to get through the red tape of the importation, the product adaptation to the market, the T&E process with our domestic partners, but we are finally here and open. Like all sensible manufacturing, we are making refinements as we go but we are happy to say that the Perun has indeed taken the best features of piston and DI systems and added compatibility. In the US market, aside from full guns with excellent matching domestic partners, Builder's Kits are also available, allowing users to customize their own Perun with their favorite AR15 parts with minimal proprietary components. This is one of the unique features of the Perun as you have mentioned. Thank you for your review and we are looking forward to working with you more.
Nice features. Lots of people love, and have become very involved in, tinkering with their firearms. Extremely smart to cater to the 'Home Brew' crew right from the beginning.
It makes sense that if parts don't need to be unique, why make them unique. Lowers costs while increasing value to the customer since there are tons of options for customization.
Companies like to make them.unique to lock customers into *their* support infrastructure as a captured audience. It's really nice to see designers that reject that business model.
@@geodkyt That's an overly simplistic way to look at it. If it's not something that has standard specifications like a mil spec AR-15, there is definitely a possibility that it will not work with all aftermarket parts or universal parts. There's definitely going to be some trigger mags etc that have more of a possibility of not working properly in that system than in a mil spec ar 15. You've already probably seen this with PMags and other accessories that don't work on all systems that use AR mags. The problem is this is left the consumer to figure out what going to actually work once they've already bought it and have to put it in
RIGHT? Stop reinventing the wheel and trying to fix what ain't broke! Plus, the aftermarket already exists, which is a huge part of the appeal for many guns.
@@Johnny-tq9no It's literally a well documented and deliberate business strategy to loop customers into proprietary support. Not every manufacturer follows it, but it is fairly common. Now, not every case of someone trying something new is an example of this. Picatinny Arsenal designed the MIL-STD-1913 rail as an improvement on (and standardization of) the common Weaver dovetail rail, and something that could be used for more than just optics and without worrying about whether the cross slots aligned across different equipment combinations. And it succeeded admirably. Vltor created Keymod, which was supposed to be better than Picatinny for most accessories. And it is, for things that don't require holding absolute zero. Then Magpul came along and decided they could do what Keymod did, only do it better, and modified their existing MOE system - and it is better than Keymod. Meanwhile, HK went with their proprietary HKey, which is basically "Keymod, only backwards and in metric", and is objectively *worse* than Keymod... but was proprietary, pushing customers desiring accessories into HKs arms and away from the aftermarket.
@@Johnny-tq9no The only AR parts that don't work together are ones that were made wrong in the first place. It's a standardized rifle with dimensions that have been known for 6 decades.
It was real fun to shoot this rather unusual weapon. And thanks for the intel in the video production. It was a pleasure to see you working. I'm looking forward to see you in finnland!
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I visited Tinck Arms after you guys and made my own little video about it with them. I wish I had managed to be in Slovenia at the same time as you though, would have been fun.
I know your mother and I are ARs, but you see, the 2000nds were wild times. There was this SCAR and a Tavor and well... Never mind. You're perfect just the way you are and we both love you.
Almost like they took 'what does the market like' put it into a blendtec, but despite the warnings, they breathed it. And yet, it all comes together nicely. Are we sure this isn't some 'Best hits of 5.56' compilation album?
@@hailexiao2770 my joke answer would be that it's mechanically simple enough to not need modularity. Not really sure what design or part aspects would blend with other platforms tbh.
From this gun, to the Bren, APC, Hellion, there’s plenty of small arms development in 5.56 coming out of Europe, it’s refreshing, now only if law abiding could all own what they wanted in all European countries like free Americans can, nothin else deters an invading army more than a strong resistance from the common armed militia man.
This looks like a real winner. Ian whent from "very old guns" to "this is so new that hardly anyone knows it but is so cool i'm gonna make famous" well done. I hope this gets the succes it deserves.
Very impressive, I love the modularity and the fact that a lot of parts are AR-15 parts making customization a snap. Even the non standard AR parts look like a good machinist could replicate easily in a pinch. Obviously the designers know what they are doing. I want one.
I wish other consumer goods were designed with this kind of consideration towards customer maintenance and customization. It seems like it's usually the opposite, where the the producers of consumer electronics especially do everything in their power to prevent you from changing or fixing anything.
I agree, but it's driven by consumer demand. A firearm that isn't user serviceable would never sell. On the other hand, outside of certain niches consumers are indifferent, if not outright hostile to the idea. Try talking to people about doing oil changes or brake pads on your car, two things that are usually designed to be accessible. Modern tech might as well run on black magic and consumers are convinced that user repair is a hazard.
@@marcogenovesi8570 you should try getting an alternator out of a Ford Focus. Talk about frustration! Install tomorrow, should be fun! Tie Rods next weekend...those are much more accessible. Brake pads are simple. But yea...most people have no business touching their cars. Or guns.
There are downsides to modularity such as greater complexity, increased weight and bulk, increased manufacturing cost (for features that often only a small fraction of buyers will use), and potentially less reliability. For example with electronics, bump soldering a chip onto a circuit board is going to be more compact, cheaper and quicker to manufacture and more reliable than soldering a socket to the board and having the chip locked into the socket using a land grid array or pin grid array. People say they want modularity in the consumer goods space but don't put their money where their mouth is and buy modular products when they're available, or the number of consumers who want it enough to pay for it is too small to support commercially viable products. It makes a lot of sense for some markets like desktop PCs (especially those aimed at gamers), but not so much for things like smartphones.
7:28 Ok, that is incredible. They literally developed and shipped the product with a feature they do not need to guarantee parts compatibility. Decisions like this cause me to trust a company. Proprietary design features rarely benefit the consumer.
It's also cheaper to use the same parts. Simple economics. AR pressure bearing parts and barrels are cheap because there's so many options. Bonus for the consumer but they can also design it to use an existing 10$ trigger and 2$ grip rather than make their own with the accompanying cost of r/d and manufacturing.
I see a LOT of lowers for this being 3D printed. The biggest hangup of 3D printed AR lowers is the buffer tube area. No matter which way you print it, you're going to have structural integrity issues... This fixes that problem, and even better, it still uses all AR furniture.
Too many parts and too low manufacturing volume, which would make this very expensive. Something like BRN-180 is a much better buffer tube workaround for the 3D printed solution.
Ooooh, I hadn't thought of it from that angle! This design may very well eclipse the AR-15 as we know it. Though the upper is a little complicated and proprietary (and will be as long as Tinck arms holds a patent in the U.S.), this rifle adds versatility without compromising parts availability or (we shall see) reliability.
@@bg315 I’d say the BRN-180 had very different design goals from the Perun. The BRN is more a buffer tube workaround, the Perun is more of a ground up reboot. If you wanted something that looks and feels pretty much like your standard AR, the BRN is probably a better fit for you. If you want something a little different, with more of a SCAR or ACR vibe while keeping 90% of the customizability and aftermarket support that an AR15 has, and you’re willing to pay extra for it, the Perun may fill that slot quite nicely. Something like this was actually more what I hoped we’d see come out of the NGSW (rather than that beastly Sig Spear). But oh well. (Though I’d definitely agree, improved manufacturing volume would probably do some magnificent things for the price point. Looks like they currently run around $2k for the complete rifle, or $1600 for the upper, which is still a bit steep.)
At first glance I thought this was the SCAR Gen 2 FN should have made 5 years ago. Upon finishing the video, it's much more interesting than that. Looks like a very well thought-out rifle, I hope it does well!
Their "Gen 2" is pretty muc the SCAR SC with finally a non reciprocating and reversible charging handle. But even then I'd rather run a XCR which is a truly multicaliber system and even more simple.
@@RonJeremy514 Pretty sure they got feedback from SOCOM about the charging handle in 2004 and it took them 18 years to do anything about it. Great job FN!
@@Selig2236 I mean it's FN, just like H&K (and H&K actually does bring new things on the table, just not for the civilian market in general) they take ages to do anything.
those were my first thoughts exactly, the shorter version could be a carbine, and the lowered top front rail would be perfect for ir/laser units, with the pressure pads on the handguard
You're kidding, right? This is a production engineers nightmare. The parts count is asinine, and they are all manufacturing intensive. This thing, while cool it exists, is nonsense.
@@randymagnum143 you gotta at least admit the pins for the steel rails is better than other methods, though, and the ability to use existing parts is nice. extra AR handguards? chop. now you have a perun guard. somebody else got a scar and hates the stock, so they switch it? get it from them.
Žiga rocking that Print Shoot Repeat merch I see, happy to see that the Signal reaches far and wide. Also Perun happens to be the name of a channel that has done a lot of spectacular work analyzing defense economics and military procurement as it relates to the current military conflict in Eastern Europe, so this happens to be a unintentional crossover that has my head spinning.
The worldwide automotive guys could learn so much from this rifle: Exceptionally easy to field strip, interchangeability of standard parts, improving only where necessary, removing the major flaws of an established product, and simply keeping the rest as simple as possible. This gun is impressive. And I love the attitude of the engineers behind it. Thanks.
Nah, what the car world needs is subscription based features for stuff like radio, seat warmer, AC etc. The car guys also enjoy always having to fix the same issues over and over again, despite them being fixed on a different brand. Why would you want parts interchangeability? The best part is when you need rear springs, the ones that aaaalmost fit cost 50€ but thankfully you get to spend 300€ on them because they are a few millimetres different
This really feels like a labor of love on the part of the designers. They went the extra mile to make something that does just about everything you'd want and with maximum compatibility to boot.
@@AdamOwenBrowning well , estonians are not balts. they are fino-ungric. They are not even indo-european laguage wise. So , shared culture is less between estonians and latvians/lithuanians.
I was watching BoTR's video about it, and it immediately popped into my head that it could be mistaken for a modernized XM-8. I love the modularity of it, and the fact that it takes commercial off the shelf AR parts.
This would be a great candidate for a 3D printed lower. Main weakness of plastic lowers is weakness in the buffer tower- this completely removes that as a possibility
When Ian pulled out the bolt carrier group, I immediately thought 'TAVOR!' The gloves answered my question about handguard heating... It's about, what, $2k in the US?
@@ArcturusOTE New and rare, plus knowing how to bash the AR/SCAR parts together, with neat gas system. EDIT: In Bloke's video, he mentions a price range comparable to European ARs, but I'm not sure how that translates to US prices.
this gun looks like its a dream to maintain also that upper rail on the top of the hand guard that sits lower than the rest of the upper is like made to receive a laser sight/ flashlight combo... add that to an Red dot and fore-grip and it would be one neat tactical package
Lol no. Stay away from shitmark and invest in Holosun at very minimum. HS makes a dead copy of that one and it’s 100000x better. EOTech or Aimpoint or Trijicon would be a better bet. But hey, poors are poors.
@@MalevolantB are you really trying to say that a copy of the Wolverine is better than the original? Lmao don't make me laugh, Wolverine is the only good (excelent btw) red dot sight they make. They developed the model themselves, and I personally own both models, CSR and FSR, and both are comparable to EOTECH in precision. No need for buying an EOTech or Trijicon if I have the same precision and civilian durability with a 250$ sight. I paid 2500 for a Sightmark that will last me at least 5 to 7 years, if not 10+, but I'd have to spend 10k on an EOTECH that would serve no extra purpose besides flexing it on the range. Also EOTECH's reticle is shitty asl imo, the only dot I'd pay 10k for is the now defunct Trijicon Reflex (the oG one, not the bulky newer one). Of course I'm talking about a different currency, but I still wouldn't get an EOTech, only a specific model of the old Trijicon Reflex.
Ian is probably one of the (if not THE) best informed and experienced dude in his area of expertise. So wide and deep reviews is really rare to see. I am very impressed.
Great video Ian. The operating system reminds me of some of the early hybrid systems Stoner developed prior to his expanding gas system as used in the AR10 and AR15.
Were I a military armourer, I would be very enthusiastic about that weapon. The field stripping looks pretty grunt-proof, and the commonality with the AR-15 would make logistics and skills conversion simple. No doubt Canada's government is scurrying to ban it, to keep the Dominion free of "assault-style" rifles.
Looks like an awesome rifle and great for the role it's trying to fill. Also, Perun is a great channel here on YT if you're into general military procurement and the processes which affect how/why weapons are procured and used in conflicts.
Love that gas system. All the advantages of DI or piston with none of the disadvantages. Surprising it’s taken this long for someone to come up with a system like this and suspect it will catch on with other companies in the future.
@@jaeger1447 it will if you used AK gunsmithing tools like a hacksaw and a file. Just saw off the buffer tower and file it out. Maybe even use sandpaper if you are into that
Having watched for a while now, it has been awesome seeing someone get better and better at shooting over time. Not just from this video just overall wanted to make that statement.
Love the intro & the rifle!! I want one, reminds me of my ACR with hybrid piston / DI operating system. Compatibility with SCAR, AR parts & the Ynke bo0gl3 - sweeeeeeeeeeeet!
The Boogle requires engagement from the AR-15 bolt carrier, which this one lacks. Someone could probably come up with a workaround, but I don't think it'd work standard.
This design looks like it could be promising here in Canada. Since the lower isn't exactly an AR lower, the RCMP might approve it for non restricted status, and the ability to use existing AR barrels means we could pretty easily hit the awkward 18.6 inch requirement for NR status. Please, Tinck, try to sell these in Canada as kits without barrels!
@@gordon5008 Yeah, that's why I said it isn't exactly an AR lower. The absence of the buffer tube threads means it can't function as an AR lower, and that might be sufficient for the firearms lab to classify it as a different receiver. There's no way to tell for sure, though, because their decisions are largely arbitrary.
Wow.... other manufacturers should take note. The way this comes apart with relative ease, utilizes readily available easily accessible parts like acr stock and regular a.r. bolt head, all small parts being captive, and it's modular for different barrel/handguard lengths -- *this* is how you bring a product to market. I would absolutely love to get my grubby meat hooks on one of these for a little T&E
Interesting rifle! Nice to see you again Ian testing that on a range. Missed some of your videos these passed days, been sick for a while and I’m glad one of first notif I see is an upload from your channel 🙏🏼
A bull pup version of this system sound be amazing. For me they really make sense if you can deal with the triggers. The bull pup market doesn’t have a lot of innovation recently
How cool! Completely agree that the more you explained about what was going on the more intrigued I became. Very neat rifle, might need to check out what AEA Arms is talking about and see about availability! Thanks for sharing
I'd love to see a single video that covers all the most innovated performance improvements you've found, and which one's could theoretically be combined. It could even be a series like how you broke down WWSD
This is kind of an interesting trend emerging in firearms design. Since everyone has AR parts and they're so widespread, why not use them where possible while addressing the shortcomings of the AR platform
Very awesome implementation of "don't fix what isn't broken ". Really enjoyed the disassembly. Especially the hybrid short stroke with ar gas tube. I wonder if it will get adopted as a service military rifle.
It really does just look like someone decided to see how a hybrid of an ACR, SCAR, AR and a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 could look… It looks cool, wish I could get one. Ah well, wonder if someone will try and produce an airsoft replica in the future… something like that would definitely mix things up instead of simply adding another AR type platform.
It strikes me that in making the rifle very simple to field strip and maintain, Tinck also made a rifle that should really appeal to a lot of militaries. Especially smaller ones.
It would be an interesting exercise to 3D print a Hoffman Tactical AR15 lower, cut off the buffer tower and use it with the Perun upper. Alternatively, for those who are able to alter the 3D print file, print a lower without the tower. That would work for California if a CA compliant Resurgent Arms "pistol grip" or similar grip is installed. Too bad the Perun upper is not sold separately (yet).
Really interesting gun! You did well to present this video with the constant background noise - sounds like a metal door being opened and closed every few seconds, or something clanging in a breeze.
Given the bird singing and the background, I think he’s outside at the range, I’m thinking it’s noise from the roof, perhaps from expansion as it heats
Ian putting on gloves at 18:00 is relevant. I think the location of the rear gas block is going to be a problem. You can see the gas venting right under the optic. That section right at the barrel nut is going to get as hot as the sun. Not sure why they felt the need to go with this system over a short stoke design that vents the heat near the muzzle.
It’s a smart take on not reinventing the wheel, and still innovating for improvement. This was really cool and I’m interested to see if some of these engineering designs catch on here in the US. I really liked the centered placement of the gas system, it’s hybridity, and compatibility with regular parts on the market. Anyone know how much it weighs? Sorry if I missed that. Only thing I would like to see change is for the MLOK slots to be pushed as forward and uniform as possible. I saw the hand guard slots were not aligned at different positions with empty space to add a slot. And if there’s any gaps not being used (such as at the front of the 13.5 handguard shown), to add a QD hole. More slots and holes, more cooling and less weight. Thanks Ian for this awesome video!
Honestly very cleverly engineered. Gotta give the designers props for using an inversion of the M14's terrible short stroke piston, by literally just moving it to a spot that is infinitely more useful. I still think the AR-18's guide rod system is superior to their recoil spring setup, but it's not the end of the world.
A very interesting rifle indeed, and thanks for showcasing so well. I doubt if it will ever be allowed in Canada, though, so I'll probably never get the opportunity to try one out. I grew up in a family that hunted and fished for food, so I was introduced to a wide array of firearms from an early age, and taught to safely and responsibly handle them and care for them. Because of that, and a stint in the reserves, I maintain what I like to call a "semi-professional interest" in firearms. For example, I've never even been in the same room as an AR before, but I could still clear and safe one, and even do a quick field strip and cleaning if necessary.
Thanks for the great overview and breakdown of this new (to US) semi-auto rifle. Love the no-nonsense design and compatibility with the AR platform - very smart decision. Also like that it utilizes the SCAR stock system, as SCAR stocks are considerably more comfortable and secure in the pocket, than most OEM AR stocks. Couple questions: Is the Perun available in other calibers? Is there (or will there be) a full-auto military/LEO version? If the FA exists, has it been tested/adopted by any European (or other) military/LEO groups? Looking forward to future performance, accuracy and longevity assessments. Also hope to get an opportunity to check one out at the range in the coming months. I guess the last, but certainly not least, question is (drum roll please) how much will it cost (in the USA)? Appreciate your time and the vast firearm knowledge you share. Stay frosty out there folks!
This is very well engineered ! One could even come up with an adapter plate, to change the butt from Scar-Stock compatible to 1913-Rail compatible and use all the new Sig MCX-Stock options.
This seems like a weapon that would be easily imported as a pistol with a pic rail in the back, then changed to a rifle with US made parts. Or kept a pistol with a brace. Very intriguing........
With a normal AR bolt, would it be possible to set this up with ambi ejection? Much like how you can run the bolt “upside down” on an AUG? I think the AR bolt cam pin hole is symmetrical, but I’m not sure. Of course, with a traditional non-bullpup action placement, the ejection side isn’t all that important. But since it’s impossible to do so with a normal AR upper, no one has really had the chance to try.
This seems like a cool rifle. Would definitely look into one when it's more widespread in the US. My one gripe is the name. My first thought was "Why did they name it potato?" because "peruna" is potato in Finnish.
Indeed. Consider potato’s would have been introduced to the area only in the 16th C., whereas the respective thunder gods would go back maaaany thousands of years. The Finns and Balts at least have been busy trading,raiding and generally mixing it up for just as long. I think the Finns knew very well…
Hi Ian, what a great breakdown and review of the Perun. Glad you were able to experience it at the source.
AEA Arms is the sole distributor of the Perun in the US and it has taken us a very long time to get through the red tape of the importation, the product adaptation to the market, the T&E process with our domestic partners, but we are finally here and open. Like all sensible manufacturing, we are making refinements as we go but we are happy to say that the Perun has indeed taken the best features of piston and DI systems and added compatibility. In the US market, aside from full guns with excellent matching domestic partners, Builder's Kits are also available, allowing users to customize their own Perun with their favorite AR15 parts with minimal proprietary components. This is one of the unique features of the Perun as you have mentioned.
Thank you for your review and we are looking forward to working with you more.
Nice features. Lots of people love, and have become very involved in, tinkering with their firearms. Extremely smart to cater to the 'Home Brew' crew right from the beginning.
Nice profile pic.
TAKE MY MONEY, PLEASE! :D
I think you are on to a winner picking up this one, best of luck in the US market.
Nice advertising
It makes sense that if parts don't need to be unique, why make them unique. Lowers costs while increasing value to the customer since there are tons of options for customization.
Companies like to make them.unique to lock customers into *their* support infrastructure as a captured audience.
It's really nice to see designers that reject that business model.
@@geodkyt That's an overly simplistic way to look at it. If it's not something that has standard specifications like a mil spec AR-15, there is definitely a possibility that it will not work with all aftermarket parts or universal parts. There's definitely going to be some trigger mags etc that have more of a possibility of not working properly in that system than in a mil spec ar 15.
You've already probably seen this with PMags and other accessories that don't work on all systems that use AR mags. The problem is this is left the consumer to figure out what going to actually work once they've already bought it and have to put it in
RIGHT?
Stop reinventing the wheel and trying to fix what ain't broke!
Plus, the aftermarket already exists, which is a huge part of the appeal for many guns.
@@Johnny-tq9no It's literally a well documented and deliberate business strategy to loop customers into proprietary support. Not every manufacturer follows it, but it is fairly common.
Now, not every case of someone trying something new is an example of this.
Picatinny Arsenal designed the MIL-STD-1913 rail as an improvement on (and standardization of) the common Weaver dovetail rail, and something that could be used for more than just optics and without worrying about whether the cross slots aligned across different equipment combinations. And it succeeded admirably.
Vltor created Keymod, which was supposed to be better than Picatinny for most accessories. And it is, for things that don't require holding absolute zero.
Then Magpul came along and decided they could do what Keymod did, only do it better, and modified their existing MOE system - and it is better than Keymod.
Meanwhile, HK went with their proprietary HKey, which is basically "Keymod, only backwards and in metric", and is objectively *worse* than Keymod... but was proprietary, pushing customers desiring accessories into HKs arms and away from the aftermarket.
@@Johnny-tq9no The only AR parts that don't work together are ones that were made wrong in the first place. It's a standardized rifle with dimensions that have been known for 6 decades.
It was real fun to shoot this rather unusual weapon.
And thanks for the intel in the video production.
It was a pleasure to see you working.
I'm looking forward to see you in finnland!
I visited Tinck Arms after you guys and made my own little video about it with them. I wish I had managed to be in Slovenia at the same time as you though, would have been fun.
Do you still use a rotary phone?
spätzle operator is a nice user name lmao. Now I'm hungry
@@not-a-theist8251 i like using spatzle for haluški. yummmmm
@@AcornFox enjoy your meal! 😅
I know your mother and I are ARs, but you see, the 2000nds were wild times. There was this SCAR and a Tavor and well... Never mind. You're perfect just the way you are and we both love you.
0:24 The front sight slowly popping up felt like the X16 was slooooooowly flipping the bird as Ian shot it!! 😂
I noticed that too! Honestly that was kind of cool lol
Almost like they took 'what does the market like' put it into a blendtec, but despite the warnings, they breathed it. And yet, it all comes together nicely. Are we sure this isn't some 'Best hits of 5.56' compilation album?
Really does seem like the best of both worlds.
"Don't breathe this" 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
I wonder what the AK equivalent would be. Galil ACE? Rk 95? The original AK-12 prototype?
@@hailexiao2770 my joke answer would be that it's mechanically simple enough to not need modularity. Not really sure what design or part aspects would blend with other platforms tbh.
From this gun, to the Bren, APC, Hellion, there’s plenty of small arms development in 5.56 coming out of Europe, it’s refreshing, now only if law abiding could all own what they wanted in all European countries like free Americans can, nothin else deters an invading army more than a strong resistance from the common armed militia man.
This looks like a real winner. Ian whent from "very old guns" to "this is so new that hardly anyone knows it but is so cool i'm gonna make famous" well done. I hope this gets the succes it deserves.
Anyone else notice that flip up sight get a little 'excited' by Ian's mag dump? 😂
First thing I noticed lol
That's hilarious!
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Shooting guns does that to me too! 🤣🤣
@@JDangly same. Happens again at 16:00
Very impressive, I love the modularity and the fact that a lot of parts are AR-15 parts making customization a snap. Even the non standard AR parts look like a good machinist could replicate easily in a pinch. Obviously the designers know what they are doing. I want one.
Why stop at one? Have multiple for many configurations!
When Ian says a rifle is interesting, it’s time to brew a tea and watch. The 6.5 Grendel version sounds very flexible
Ewww tea
in my case I roll up a tea and grab a coffee
It's too feckin hot for a cup of tea, it's 38 celsius in here.
can of monster and a joint. right as rain.
USA!
@@AdamOwenBrowning Fucking PREACH
I wish other consumer goods were designed with this kind of consideration towards customer maintenance and customization. It seems like it's usually the opposite, where the the producers of consumer electronics especially do everything in their power to prevent you from changing or fixing anything.
I agree, but it's driven by consumer demand. A firearm that isn't user serviceable would never sell. On the other hand, outside of certain niches consumers are indifferent, if not outright hostile to the idea. Try talking to people about doing oil changes or brake pads on your car, two things that are usually designed to be accessible. Modern tech might as well run on black magic and consumers are convinced that user repair is a hazard.
@@maweitao to be fair, there are lots of dumb people that will screw up brake pads badly
@@marcogenovesi8570 you should try getting an alternator out of a Ford Focus. Talk about frustration! Install tomorrow, should be fun! Tie Rods next weekend...those are much more accessible. Brake pads are simple.
But yea...most people have no business touching their cars. Or guns.
Right to repair people, assemble!
There are downsides to modularity such as greater complexity, increased weight and bulk, increased manufacturing cost (for features that often only a small fraction of buyers will use), and potentially less reliability. For example with electronics, bump soldering a chip onto a circuit board is going to be more compact, cheaper and quicker to manufacture and more reliable than soldering a socket to the board and having the chip locked into the socket using a land grid array or pin grid array. People say they want modularity in the consumer goods space but don't put their money where their mouth is and buy modular products when they're available, or the number of consumers who want it enough to pay for it is too small to support commercially viable products.
It makes a lot of sense for some markets like desktop PCs (especially those aimed at gamers), but not so much for things like smartphones.
I love that raise in the handguard.... Like a nod to an XM8 which was my dream to have as a child. I was so sad when they canceled that project
Great video Ian! Shouts out to Žiga for wearing the shirt :) I love my X-16!!!
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This is the crossover that I could only dream of.
7:28 Ok, that is incredible. They literally developed and shipped the product with a feature they do not need to guarantee parts compatibility. Decisions like this cause me to trust a company. Proprietary design features rarely benefit the consumer.
It's also cheaper to use the same parts. Simple economics. AR pressure bearing parts and barrels are cheap because there's so many options. Bonus for the consumer but they can also design it to use an existing 10$ trigger and 2$ grip rather than make their own with the accompanying cost of r/d and manufacturing.
I see a LOT of lowers for this being 3D printed. The biggest hangup of 3D printed AR lowers is the buffer tube area. No matter which way you print it, you're going to have structural integrity issues... This fixes that problem, and even better, it still uses all AR furniture.
Too many parts and too low manufacturing volume, which would make this very expensive. Something like BRN-180 is a much better buffer tube workaround for the 3D printed solution.
Ooooh, I hadn't thought of it from that angle! This design may very well eclipse the AR-15 as we know it. Though the upper is a little complicated and proprietary (and will be as long as Tinck arms holds a patent in the U.S.), this rifle adds versatility without compromising parts availability or (we shall see) reliability.
@@bg315 I’d say the BRN-180 had very different design goals from the Perun. The BRN is more a buffer tube workaround, the Perun is more of a ground up reboot.
If you wanted something that looks and feels pretty much like your standard AR, the BRN is probably a better fit for you.
If you want something a little different, with more of a SCAR or ACR vibe while keeping 90% of the customizability and aftermarket support that an AR15 has, and you’re willing to pay extra for it, the Perun may fill that slot quite nicely.
Something like this was actually more what I hoped we’d see come out of the NGSW (rather than that beastly Sig Spear). But oh well.
(Though I’d definitely agree, improved manufacturing volume would probably do some magnificent things for the price point. Looks like they currently run around $2k for the complete rifle, or $1600 for the upper, which is still a bit steep.)
At first glance I thought this was the SCAR Gen 2 FN should have made 5 years ago. Upon finishing the video, it's much more interesting than that. Looks like a very well thought-out rifle, I hope it does well!
Their "Gen 2" is pretty muc the SCAR SC with finally a non reciprocating and reversible charging handle. But even then I'd rather run a XCR which is a truly multicaliber system and even more simple.
@@RonJeremy514 Pretty sure they got feedback from SOCOM about the charging handle in 2004 and it took them 18 years to do anything about it. Great job FN!
@@Selig2236 I mean it's FN, just like H&K (and H&K actually does bring new things on the table, just not for the civilian market in general) they take ages to do anything.
Yeah, looks like a combination of a SCAR, and ACR, and an HK XM8.
@@RonJeremy514 It's what happens when government contracts are your main revenue stream.
The simplistic engineering behind this is beautiful. It looks like the rifle version of a scorpion scorpion evo 3.
those were my first thoughts exactly, the shorter version could be a carbine, and the lowered top front rail would be perfect for ir/laser units, with the pressure pads on the handguard
You're kidding, right? This is a production engineers nightmare. The parts count is asinine, and they are all manufacturing intensive. This thing, while cool it exists, is nonsense.
@@randymagnum143 you gotta at least admit the pins for the steel rails is better than other methods, though, and the ability to use existing parts is nice. extra AR handguards? chop. now you have a perun guard. somebody else got a scar and hates the stock, so they switch it? get it from them.
@@sonicmoth8340 having an upper receiver and bolt carrier that don't require extra parts would probably be a better idea.
@@randymagnum143 I mean yeah but then its just another ar and has the same gas out the back issues.
Žiga rocking that Print Shoot Repeat merch I see, happy to see that the Signal reaches far and wide.
Also Perun happens to be the name of a channel that has done a lot of spectacular work analyzing defense economics and military procurement as it relates to the current military conflict in Eastern Europe, so this happens to be a unintentional crossover that has my head spinning.
The twinkle in Ian's eyes for this whole video shows just how much fun he had. Great video as always.
Of course the two best and most interesting iterarions of the AR18 in the past decade came from... *checks notes* Croatia and Slovenia...
The worldwide automotive guys could learn so much from this rifle: Exceptionally easy to field strip, interchangeability of standard parts, improving only where necessary, removing the major flaws of an established product, and simply keeping the rest as simple as possible. This gun is impressive. And I love the attitude of the engineers behind it. Thanks.
Nah, what the car world needs is subscription based features for stuff like radio, seat warmer, AC etc. The car guys also enjoy always having to fix the same issues over and over again, despite them being fixed on a different brand. Why would you want parts interchangeability? The best part is when you need rear springs, the ones that aaaalmost fit cost 50€ but thankfully you get to spend 300€ on them because they are a few millimetres different
My envy of you getting trigger time with this one is immense.
love your channel man. are you named after the gun or the god?
Simple and effective design. Love the Print Shoot Repeat t-shirt in Slovenia.
When the Slovenia guy says “‘my von eye ez a vittle teary” it reminded me of a print shoot repeat video. 😄
This really feels like a labor of love on the part of the designers. They went the extra mile to make something that does just about everything you'd want and with maximum compatibility to boot.
Perun ( Perkons , Perkunas ) is not only slavic god of thunder ( perun means thunder ) , it is also Baltic ( LV and LT ) god of thunder
In modern polish, word "piorun" derived from Perun literally means thunderbolt. Moreover Poland produces MANPADS called Piorun
@@michakoniecko853 let me guess , 40mm auto cannon is called Blyskawica ? ;)
Baltic (Latvian and Lithuanian) ay where's the love for Estonia, are they too Finnish :DD
@@AdamOwenBrowning well , estonians are not balts. they are fino-ungric.
They are not even indo-european laguage wise. So , shared culture is less between estonians and latvians/lithuanians.
@@murderouskitten2577 Nope :P 9mm submachine gun was called Błyskawica en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun
I was watching BoTR's video about it, and it immediately popped into my head that it could be mistaken for a modernized XM-8.
I love the modularity of it, and the fact that it takes commercial off the shelf AR parts.
That's really an excellent and innovative design for an AR adjacent system.
I'm really excited to see how it performs on the market.
This would be a great candidate for a 3D printed lower. Main weakness of plastic lowers is weakness in the buffer tower- this completely removes that as a possibility
Indeed, polenar tactical did one of their videos with a printed lower, as did print shoot repeat. Works just fine.
Yep.
When Ian pulled out the bolt carrier group, I immediately thought 'TAVOR!'
The gloves answered my question about handguard heating...
It's about, what, $2k in the US?
2K including the AR lower?
@@ArcturusOTE New and rare, plus knowing how to bash the AR/SCAR parts together, with neat gas system.
EDIT: In Bloke's video, he mentions a price range comparable to European ARs, but I'm not sure how that translates to US prices.
Little under 2k for the pistols, little over for the rifles.
@@breaden4381 Thanks!
Why not MCX, you got full customer service
this gun looks like its a dream to maintain also that upper rail on the top of the hand guard that sits lower than the rest of the upper is like made to receive a laser sight/ flashlight combo... add that to an Red dot and fore-grip and it would be one neat tactical package
The lower also looks very easy to 3D print. It’s nice to see something fresh in the firearms industry.
It is and since there is no force exerted on the lower, it doesn't break
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Looks like an ACR
(Also that sightmark wolverine red dot sight is very good, I have 2 and super recommend it)
me too!!! which version do you have? FSR or CSR?
ACR is a great rifle!
I was going to say it looks like the scorpions big brother
Lol no. Stay away from shitmark and invest in Holosun at very minimum. HS makes a dead copy of that one and it’s 100000x better. EOTech or Aimpoint or Trijicon would be a better bet. But hey, poors are poors.
@@MalevolantB are you really trying to say that a copy of the Wolverine is better than the original? Lmao don't make me laugh, Wolverine is the only good (excelent btw) red dot sight they make. They developed the model themselves, and I personally own both models, CSR and FSR, and both are comparable to EOTECH in precision. No need for buying an EOTech or Trijicon if I have the same precision and civilian durability with a 250$ sight. I paid 2500 for a Sightmark that will last me at least 5 to 7 years, if not 10+, but I'd have to spend 10k on an EOTECH that would serve no extra purpose besides flexing it on the range. Also EOTECH's reticle is shitty asl imo, the only dot I'd pay 10k for is the now defunct Trijicon Reflex (the oG one, not the bulky newer one). Of course I'm talking about a different currency, but I still wouldn't get an EOTech, only a specific model of the old Trijicon Reflex.
Ian is probably one of the (if not THE) best informed and experienced dude in his area of expertise. So wide and deep reviews is really rare to see. I am very impressed.
That is a good looking and apparently we'll designed firearm. Nice find.
Great video Ian. The operating system reminds me of some of the early hybrid systems Stoner developed prior to his expanding gas system as used in the AR10 and AR15.
So much interesting machining work on this rifle, sweet!
Can't wait to see the other collaborator's videos on the Tinck
Were I a military armourer, I would be very enthusiastic about that weapon. The field stripping looks pretty grunt-proof, and the commonality with the AR-15 would make logistics and skills conversion simple.
No doubt Canada's government is scurrying to ban it, to keep the Dominion free of "assault-style" rifles.
Agreed man
Now that is nice! Love the looks & ease of stripping down, coupled with the ease of interchangeability of parts...👍
Looks like an awesome rifle and great for the role it's trying to fill.
Also, Perun is a great channel here on YT if you're into general military procurement and the processes which affect how/why weapons are procured and used in conflicts.
I'm following that guy as well 😁 - and it's amazing what he can extract from freely available info, as a civilian.
i love the way the foresight slowly worked its way up with every shot at the start
Love that gas system. All the advantages of DI or piston with none of the disadvantages. Surprising it’s taken this long for someone to come up with a system like this and suspect it will catch on with other companies in the future.
Your superb presentation was hugely informative and really helped viewers to appreciate this particularly interesting rifle.
Thank you.
Its gotta be one of the easiest rifles to make 922(R) compliant without completely screwing it up.
Good observation. That might have been the real reason for all of the common parts being used.
If you can efficiently mill a custom lower, yes. Won't drop-in to an AR lower as presented, I don't think
@@jaeger1447 it will if you used AK gunsmithing tools like a hacksaw and a file. Just saw off the buffer tower and file it out. Maybe even use sandpaper if you are into that
Very cool, ‘minimalist’..well-put together and engineered platform Ian. A LOT of potential in several calibers. Great job on the review!
The operating system looks remarkably similar to the x95's damn
my thoughts exactly including its gassiness out the ejection port due to the very short piston
Having watched for a while now, it has been awesome seeing someone get better and better at shooting over time. Not just from this video just overall wanted to make that statement.
Love the intro & the rifle!!
I want one, reminds me of my ACR with hybrid piston / DI operating system.
Compatibility with SCAR, AR parts & the Ynke bo0gl3 - sweeeeeeeeeeeet!
The Boogle requires engagement from the AR-15 bolt carrier, which this one lacks. Someone could probably come up with a workaround, but I don't think it'd work standard.
I am amazed at how all the operating parts just came out in this small self-contained unit.
This design looks like it could be promising here in Canada. Since the lower isn't exactly an AR lower, the RCMP might approve it for non restricted status, and the ability to use existing AR barrels means we could pretty easily hit the awkward 18.6 inch requirement for NR status. Please, Tinck, try to sell these in Canada as kits without barrels!
Until you get rid of Trudeau you all are screwed
@@stevenicholas5651 In the opinion of the Canadian government we never had that right to begin with 😑
Well the left want you to be subjects, not free people. Closet communists are the same worldwide.
It is an AR lower. The US guns use a AR-15 lower with the buffer tube support cut off.
@@gordon5008 Yeah, that's why I said it isn't exactly an AR lower. The absence of the buffer tube threads means it can't function as an AR lower, and that might be sufficient for the firearms lab to classify it as a different receiver. There's no way to tell for sure, though, because their decisions are largely arbitrary.
Wow.... other manufacturers should take note. The way this comes apart with relative ease, utilizes readily available easily accessible parts like acr stock and regular a.r. bolt head, all small parts being captive, and it's modular for different barrel/handguard lengths -- *this* is how you bring a product to market.
I would absolutely love to get my grubby meat hooks on one of these for a little T&E
Looks a hell of a lot like a Robinson Arms XCR but with the gass block covered.
But also a little bit more complex and not as multicaliber yet.
Interesting rifle! Nice to see you again Ian testing that on a range. Missed some of your videos these passed days, been sick for a while and I’m glad one of first notif I see is an upload from your channel 🙏🏼
A bull pup version of this system sound be amazing. For me they really make sense if you can deal with the triggers. The bull pup market doesn’t have a lot of innovation recently
How cool! Completely agree that the more you explained about what was going on the more intrigued I became. Very neat rifle, might need to check out what AEA Arms is talking about and see about availability! Thanks for sharing
So, a "Polinar Tactical" guy wearing a "Print Shoot Repeat" T-Shirt.
What a world we live in!
I'd love to see a single video that covers all the most innovated performance improvements you've found, and which one's could theoretically be combined. It could even be a series like how you broke down WWSD
Huh, so the short stroke system is similar to their AK conversion prototype. Neat, kudos to Tinck Arms.
The fact that you explicitly said that the bolt can be used with the gas rings still on is worth a 👍.
Answering questions before we can get them out.
This is kind of an interesting trend emerging in firearms design. Since everyone has AR parts and they're so widespread, why not use them where possible while addressing the shortcomings of the AR platform
Maaaaaan....you said shortcomings of rhe AR platform.....you're a brave individual! LET THE FUR FLY! 🤣
There are shortcomings in the AR platform?
Very awesome implementation of "don't fix what isn't broken ".
Really enjoyed the disassembly. Especially the hybrid short stroke with ar gas tube.
I wonder if it will get adopted as a service military rifle.
It really does just look like someone decided to see how a hybrid of an ACR, SCAR, AR and a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 could look…
It looks cool, wish I could get one. Ah well, wonder if someone will try and produce an airsoft replica in the future… something like that would definitely mix things up instead of simply adding another AR type platform.
I like it. Looks like a well thought out design. Appears to run flawlessly also...
That is pretty sweet. I love a lot of the engineering that went into this, especially as I dislike the AR15 buffer tubes.
I like the auto-deploying front sight as displayed by that first volley of fire.
I find it interesting how the front rail is much lower, if you wanted to run a very low optic and a top mounted laser you could do that.
i like how the front sight gradually popped up when Ian and Laurence were shooting it
It strikes me that in making the rifle very simple to field strip and maintain, Tinck also made a rifle that should really appeal to a lot of militaries. Especially smaller ones.
I really love the collaboration with Polenar the sit down interviews that you guys did were awesome 👌
It would be an interesting exercise to 3D print a Hoffman Tactical AR15 lower, cut off the buffer tower and use it with the Perun upper. Alternatively, for those who are able to alter the 3D print file, print a lower without the tower. That would work for California if a CA compliant Resurgent Arms "pistol grip" or similar grip is installed. Too bad the Perun upper is not sold separately (yet).
Now that's a pretty slick package. Form and function.
Really interesting gun! You did well to present this video with the constant background noise - sounds like a metal door being opened and closed every few seconds, or something clanging in a breeze.
Almost thought he had a washing machine running in the background
Given the bird singing and the background, I think he’s outside at the range, I’m thinking it’s noise from the roof, perhaps from expansion as it heats
Automatically cowitnessing sights, technology is ever advancing!
It is interesting that so many manufacturers use the ACR stocks or make adapters for the ACR stock.
Ian putting on gloves at 18:00 is relevant. I think the location of the rear gas block is going to be a problem. You can see the gas venting right under the optic. That section right at the barrel nut is going to get as hot as the sun. Not sure why they felt the need to go with this system over a short stoke design that vents the heat near the muzzle.
It got hot fast, but to be far a small profile metal handguard on an AR gets hot fast as well.
It’s a smart take on not reinventing the wheel, and still innovating for improvement. This was really cool and I’m interested to see if some of these engineering designs catch on here in the US. I really liked the centered placement of the gas system, it’s hybridity, and compatibility with regular parts on the market. Anyone know how much it weighs? Sorry if I missed that.
Only thing I would like to see change is for the MLOK slots to be pushed as forward and uniform as possible. I saw the hand guard slots were not aligned at different positions with empty space to add a slot. And if there’s any gaps not being used (such as at the front of the 13.5 handguard shown), to add a QD hole. More slots and holes, more cooling and less weight.
Thanks Ian for this awesome video!
I suppose having lots of AR parts also makes it easier to import in theory. The number of unique parts coming from Slovenia is minimal.
Glad this weapon made it onto the channel.
Honestly very cleverly engineered.
Gotta give the designers props for using an inversion of the M14's terrible short stroke piston, by literally just moving it to a spot that is infinitely more useful.
I still think the AR-18's guide rod system is superior to their recoil spring setup, but it's not the end of the world.
Elegant, refined, simplistic, clever, & modular, This is possibly the highest praise I have ever heard for a gun. Very exciting.
Uploaded 18 seconds ago. I'm slow. Edit: and yes, obviously it was actually uploaded ages ago and only made public now.
Thanks Ian for showing us this rifle.
Interesting, Perun is the Slavic Pagan god of thundering a lighting, similar to Thor, although instead of a hammer Perun wields an axe
Now we know where stormbreaker comes from.
Perun.
Perkūnas.
Pērkons
Perkele.
Definitelly not Thor. ;)
@@XtreeM_FaiL legally distinct so they can't be sued yeha
A very interesting rifle indeed, and thanks for showcasing so well. I doubt if it will ever be allowed in Canada, though, so I'll probably never get the opportunity to try one out.
I grew up in a family that hunted and fished for food, so I was introduced to a wide array of firearms from an early age, and taught to safely and responsibly handle them and care for them. Because of that, and a stint in the reserves, I maintain what I like to call a "semi-professional interest" in firearms. For example, I've never even been in the same room as an AR before, but I could still clear and safe one, and even do a quick field strip and cleaning if necessary.
this weapon looks like a big skorpion evo
It's so elegant, simple but clever...Thanks for the upload!
Thanks for the great overview and breakdown of this new (to US) semi-auto rifle. Love the no-nonsense design and compatibility with the AR platform - very smart decision. Also like that it utilizes the SCAR stock system, as SCAR stocks are considerably more comfortable and secure in the pocket, than most OEM AR stocks.
Couple questions:
Is the Perun available in other calibers?
Is there (or will there be) a full-auto military/LEO version?
If the FA exists, has it been tested/adopted by any European (or other) military/LEO groups?
Looking forward to future performance, accuracy and longevity assessments. Also hope to get an opportunity to check one out at the range in the coming months.
I guess the last, but certainly not least, question is (drum roll please) how much will it cost (in the USA)?
Appreciate your time and the vast firearm knowledge you share.
Stay frosty out there folks!
I love the silhouette of that gun, looks like a big scorpion
Its like the SCAR, but they got it right the first time haha
This is genuinely innovative and still simple. Id love to get one of these
Bring some bacon with you next time you fire so much ammo through a suppressor.
This is very well engineered ! One could even come up with an adapter plate, to change the butt from Scar-Stock compatible to 1913-Rail compatible and use all the new Sig MCX-Stock options.
This seems like a weapon that would be easily imported as a pistol with a pic rail in the back, then changed to a rifle with US made parts. Or kept a pistol with a brace. Very intriguing........
I love how the irons slowly started flipping up
With a normal AR bolt, would it be possible to set this up with ambi ejection? Much like how you can run the bolt “upside down” on an AUG? I think the AR bolt cam pin hole is symmetrical, but I’m not sure.
Of course, with a traditional non-bullpup action placement, the ejection side isn’t all that important. But since it’s impossible to do so with a normal AR upper, no one has really had the chance to try.
I imagine it should or possible- assuming a new opening is made in the upper.
@@PrebleStreetRecords Yeah similar to the Baretta ACX (I think that’s what it’s called?)
Simplicity of the field strip disassembly reminds me of G3. With all the new detailed ideas :)
Perun - ancient slavic God ov thunders😁
0:28 automatic front sight post deployment system, very innovative indeed!
This seems like a cool rifle. Would definitely look into one when it's more widespread in the US.
My one gripe is the name. My first thought was "Why did they name it potato?" because "peruna" is potato in Finnish.
The irony of one nations god of thunder and lightning being called a potato by another nation with its own gods of thunder and lightning..
Indeed. Consider potato’s would have been introduced to the area only in the 16th C., whereas the respective thunder gods would go back maaaany thousands of years. The Finns and Balts at least have been busy trading,raiding and generally mixing it up for just as long. I think the Finns knew very well…
I'd love to buy this just to study it. It looks like it's brought a lot of thought and innovation, which can be added upon even more.