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BLURRY Pin or Target? | What to focus on?!
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I'm new to compound and the sights that go with it, have progressive ( bifocal) lenses and am right handed with a dominant left eye. Albeit frustrating, I find your videos helpful and encouraging 👍🎯❤️🇺🇸
I found that focusing on my pin caused really bad target panic. Also, if you are shooting somewhere, you have to shoot through a hole in limbs you need to focus on the target and the limbs in between. For me, with a single pin setup, I always focus on the target. I'm not sure there is a dead seat answer, but this works best for me.
Focusing on the spot you need to hit is the thing to do. With enough good quality practice your mind will learn to execute the shot your pin floats in the right spot. As your pin floats it is generally in the same pattern over and over. If you aren't punching but actually using the release, any release, correctly, the release will fire almost at a subconscious level. Just focus on the target and pull through the shot. Your brain will learn the timing. But don't be doing a drive by type shot.Focus on the spot and hold the pin on the target as best you can ( it will be floating).
I focus on the spot I want to hit. The single pin is floating as best I can on that spot but I don't actually ever focus on the pin. The pin will naturally-automatically move to and float at that spot. During all this I am pulling steadily on my Carter Wise Choice ( set very light tension & no trigger travel). Any conscious thought of pulling thru the shot etc happened seconds ago as I am now looking intently at the target spot. With a clarifier and 4x lens the target is very clear and the pin is clear.
wow another jack with an archery youtube channel!
Thanks for stopping by!
Mr. Warren was my Social Studies teacher, back in '67. Mr. Warren knew I didn't have a father. He and the shop teacher -back when school provided Shop Class - took me out hunting, just the three of us..I would have been 12 or 13. I, since, have had a good opinion of teachers.
I have a bad astigmatism as well and struggle on the Vegas face because the colors move. Also can’t have red or blue fiber because they float all over the place.
I cover the fiber optic wires with painters tape, helps reduce the brightness and reduce the starbursting effect.
You should ask this question on AT and grab some popcorn.
Heheheheheh.....
I started having this trouble in my mid-40s and I tried the verifier for a couple years (still have it on one of my bows). However, the verifier will clear up the pin but make the target more blurry so I didn’t like it. Additionally, if you ever hunt in the rain the verifier will hold a drop of water, or sometimes it will get some frost or dew on the lens and could really screw things up for you… Been there done that. I generally focus on the target but find myself going back and forth between it and the pin. Sucks to get old!
Every time I shoot with people they always ask how do I stay steady. It’s simple I don’t. I sway just as much as them but the difference is I’m focusing where I want to hit not worrying about my pin sway.
Good info, Nate! Thanks for the food for thought.
Hi Jack, great video again, I'm learning loads! I also have astigmatism in my eyes, is there any little tricks you have found that can make it a little easier when shooting? Also, this vid was a few months ago, which option did you settle on in the end? Thanks, Steve
A bit off topic but does everyone close one eye while aiming? Me being just barely cross eye dominant (almost neutral dominant) and 25/20 I have to close one eye for everything i shoot. Bow, rifle, pistol if not i just see a whole bunch of sights or multiple targets.
Yup! Double vision for me and over time I've become cross dominant. If I don't blinder or close the left eye I'm seeing double everything!
If money was not a problem which bow would you choose for a everything bow and do you know how fast your new bow shoots not what they say
Can you please do a video on how to shoot with glasses on? Its giving me fits and no one I’ve talked to has been able to help.
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I Just started wearing glasses last month with a mild distance prescription.
Today was the first I tried shooting with them and it was a no go. I have a basic metal frame rectangular glasses, and when I went to settle, I was looking through the frame at my nose bridge to see my peep.
Any suggestions on glasses options, sizes, frame designs etc that works for people.
Also, while we're asking about it, has anyone had issues with deer busting you from glare? My dad and a few other friends say they feel they get picked off easier.
I'm dabbling with the idea of trying contacts for hunting, which would solve both issues.
Any feedback from contact wearers?
Thanks!
I’ve shot by looking through my nose bridge for years, it works perfectly in all hunting and/or light conditions, keep doing what your doing IMO!
I started wearing glasses a year ago and it was tough to adjust. I got a sports strap that keep them up high on my nose and I don’t notice the frames anymore.
The target doesn’t float but the pin does so I focus on the target and blurr out the pin and trust the float.
The more you focus on the pin it seems like it floats faster and farther.
If you don’t already have target panic,chasing the pin will cause it
AJA,
Need your help. It seems my sight tapes are good out to 60 yds. Beyond that I start shooting high. Seems the same with different bows and different sights. It’s a mystery.
Man that Vista 35 is a good looking bow. May be my next purchase
This is probably more fitting for hinge, thumb button and resistance release shooters, but I've been taught that focusing on the pin can lead to more of a tendency to develop the dreaded target panic. Because you're so focused on trying to keep and hold the pin in the middle, you're more aware of the pin float, which can make you freeze up on your shot process as the pin floats off the X. If I focus on the target instead, I don't see the float as much and I have a smoother shot process and cleaner shot break. It just takes discipline to trust the pin float and being aware of the shot sequence/process all the way through the follow through.
I thought my pins were just supposed to be dull and blurry. So I kept Messing around with a sight light indoors to brighten them up. Said what the heck these verifiers clear up pins? Oh my god my life changed. Wish I tried one 3 years ago. I have glasses and astigmatism like you as well. Who know, go try a verifier.
Thanks for the input! So you shoot without glasses and just a verifier?
Have you found a setup that works great for target and hunting, I have the same problem
Next up: Bifocals!! I got one of those nose buttons and it has really helped me. I have to have my head positioned just so, so I get a good sight picture. And thus, it helps my consistency. Forces me to really stay focused on everything.
I also have an astigmatism.
How does the EZV fit in
I find it great to focus with and shoot both eyes open
EZV is a different animal. Great for hunting situations, but I still have to figure out pins as the V is illegal in all forms of competitive archery.
Over a foot of snow forecasted here in Central MN early this week. Count your blessings. Lol. I see grass in your video.
I have family up in Duluth! Feel your pain!
I noticed the grass as well! 🤣
It's much warmer here in SW Georgia!
I have bad astigmatism also. I wear contacts, can't stand glasses.
I'm 6 ft 30 inch draw
Literally just started focusing on the target instead of the pin yesterday before I noticed this video was out. Saved it to watch today. Shot pretty well for me at about 20 yards. I’m new to bow hunting so I’m still picking up things and new ways to practice that work for me. Love the vids. Keep it up! How are you liking the new vista?
Been an excellent shooting bow. Couldn't be happier!
Do you have a video on the release you use and why?
All kinds of videos. Hinges, thumb buttons, and caliper wrist straps.
Can you talk about what to think about when upgrading a stabilizer for hunting purposes? I have a low end stabilizer from a bow package and I'm not sure where to start to think about an upgrade, or if I even need to upgrade.
If the stabilizer isn't actually stabilizing anything and is more for vibration and holding a wrist sling, then it's not much of a stabilizer. That's how I see it.
I added a $28 limbsaver stabilizer on my older Mathews Chill & it absorbed vibes to near nothing....
@@averagejackarchery So I should try shooting without it on and compare?
My instructor at Lancaster archery academy just told me Saturday focus on the target not on the pin
Wait until you get to be 60 plus lol wow very hard to find a set up that works
oooooh is that the new hotshot vapor
😎😎😎🤫🤫🤫
Would you be willing to do a budget trail camera video? Like a comparison to some to be had on amazon, or point me to someone reputable who's already done one?
Check out Nathan Fry over at The Budget Sportsman. He's done a bunch!
@@averagejackarchery thanks
I wear multi focal glasses mostly, but..don't wear glasses driving, or shooting... I found the number 6 verifier, clears up my pin and the target as well.. others shooting my bow say the target is blurry... I see a blurry animal with a plain peep... I might just be weird.....
its good to hear others opinions on this issue as i myself am in my early 30s as well and have been fighting with the exact same thing you have described. for me i focus on my target and bc of that i started running an ezv sight 2 seasons ago. the problem i have there is i caught myself while hunting, looking past my sight completely and centering up the deer center of my housing as if i were running a single pin and i was hitting high so what i have done is i have figured out on my bow is i use the 220 ezv insert i believe and i cut the top tick marks off. now i know that defeats the purpose of the ranging of the ezv but i always used it as a see through multi pin sight anyways. so now my 20 yard sight in is my center mark the 30 yard is dead on the next mark down 40 yard is the flat at the bottom of the sight and for fun i drilled out the hole on the bottom and that just so happened to be 50 yards.
What about bow setups: Those using extended bar target bow sights & 24" stabilizers & if newcomers NEED to buy into that market,, or,, the benefits for using a shorter fixed sight / shorter vibration dampening stabilizer ??? For a hunting bow - I don't have all that extra stuff hanging off my bows because it don't make sense to buy a light bow & then add 4# of sights/stabilizers/ect to it.....
It all depends on what you want to shoot. If you're new to the sport and want to compete in unlimited or open classes, you're going to need all the target bars and whatnot. I've been shooting for nearly 20 years in the Bowhunter class and have never needed to deviate.
@@averagejackarchery I'm saying that, That topic might be something to consider for a new video...... A sensible build (Under $100 sight, whisker biscuit, short vibration dampener) vs a balls to the wall build with $250+ extended dovetail sights, stabilizers over 10" with side bars/ect, limb or cable driven rest).... Idk. Just a thought.
@@thistledewoutdoors3331 Gotcha gotcha
I have multiple pin sight, I center my sight ring then burn a hole in my target and place the appropriate colour for the distance(unfocused) pin in the way, that's how I do it.
I wear glasses and I seem to focus on my pins instead of the target and one thing I did that helps me is I have a fixed one pin bow sight I bought a cheap 3 fixed pin bow sight and I modified it to a one pine which is set to my hunting distance and that’s what I practice at all the time and I’ve wore glasses since I’ve been 1years old
What is that fancy stuff connected to Your sight?
Nice video :)
Illumapin Sight Light! Actually not as fancy or expensive as you think!
@@averagejackarchery is it dedicated for the soght or universal? I got and uv light ob batteries an due to small stock in europe had no idea that it could be an acu based instead of betteries even :)
@@Ducatistto They will sell you whatever adapter(s) you need to fit your sight light brand.
Should clarifiers and magnification on your sight eliminate the need for glasses? I have great eye sight but shooting with sunglasses on, My groupings suffer terribly. Glasses totally change my form,Do any companies make prescription lenses?
Check out Orson Eyewear for prescription lenses for your shades.
Here the weather is almost like summer , Saint Peter is crazy looool Big hug
Very good video! I really love the green paint on the house. We had a similar color on our ranch years ago. Cheers Jack, all the best to you and yours.
This is a great topic, I also am farsighted and wear glasses. I focus on my pin and let the target go blurry. I’ve tried it both ways, but sight focused is my default since that’s how I learned to shoot a firearm. I’m certainly open to changing if it would make me a better archer, but there seems to be no clear consensus on this one.
I’m my far away vision is awful, but still I like to focus on the target instead of the pins It actually helps give me a less anxious shot because the pin is blurred out and winds up looking bigger; I kind of just let it float. I find it I focus on the pin, I get way to frustrated trying to make it line up perfectly with an image I can’t see so good
Just wondering what brand of sight do you use? What brand of sight/scope would you recommend with a lens set-up that won’t break the bank? I’m looking to buy one since I can’t see the 3d targets very well. Thanks in advance, great video.
There are a bazillion options. Some can even mix and match. First you'll want to decided what size scope you'll want in MM and that'll narrow down some brand options. For a full fledged sight bar and block, CBE, SurLoc, Black Gold, and Axcel are hard to beat.
Thanks for the info. I will check into these. Subscribed last week. Great channel.
I've got an older Sureloc Phoenix QA400 & newer Sureloc Fury. I believe the lenses were anywhere from $95-$155 each. Both sights were $375 & $500 new
My fury was to match my Obsession bow with orange cams.... Ha
I ended up going with a viper sidewinder xl single pin. Perfect for my price range. Supporting a local business too. Made in PA. Can’t wait till it gets here!
I focus on pin
What's your reason for shooting odd vain down?
It's actually cock vane out but the fatter shaft and black vane it looks much more angled down than it is. Just allows max clearance with a fatter shaft, high profile blazer, with cable clearance.
@@averagejackarchery oh cool. So is that how you nock tuned or spine aligned them? I am building my first set of arrows now
Yes. The bitzenberger jig naturally wants to fletch cock vane out.
Such a great topic to speak on and one of the reasons why I keep tossing up the idea of using a single pin or double vertical pin Dudley sight from Spot Hogg instead of the 5 pin Black Gold that I have now. Maybe even a 3 pin slider since I want to take it out west sometime soon.
Not related, just came across aluminium d-loops… is it any good ? pros / cons ?
Run for the hills. They had their days and they were numbered from the beginning.
I took my peep out this year and started using the EZ V sight. So much nicer to just focus on where I want to hit.
How u liking the Vista Nate?
Been shooting my best, most consistent indoor scores to date with it. Currently winning my local indoor league as a Bowhunter Class setup against guys shooting in Open with full stabs and lenses. To say I like it is an understatement!
I really want to get the Vista next year.
@@JedlyMT they make great bows. I'm shooting the Ridge 34 and Peak 38. Loved the Vista 33 in Predator Camo. I'm sure the 35 shoots great also!
I wear glasses for distance and up close. I’ve always wondered about trying a lens for my sight as well for my peep.
I'm 72 and use a clarifier with 4x lensin my scope. Everything is clear. I wear glasses too
Hi Jack really good video as usual, just wondering what's your sight light setup your using there..
Check out Illumapin Sight Lights! Made in Michigan. Ben, the owner, is a real good dude. ua-cam.com/video/Hlr8zfWHYKk/v-deo.html
@@averagejackarchery Thankyou very much for the very quick reply I'll definitely look it up...
I have a stigmatizum as well, I love a verifier on my 3d hunter class bow
Just wait for for your mid forties and Presbyopia, you think finding an aperture that works now is fun (it took me going on 5 years to find a working solution when my eyes got old )
Not being precious (much), using smaller peep than in past to help clear up the target, smaller scope (rarely use a lens anyway, no need for clarifier) have recently resorted to verifier, have always found my scores dropped noticeably when I put a lens in the scope, have found that I get more issue with double vision when I try to use a lens in the scope (which kind of makes sense to me when I think about it given that by definition if you use a lens your two eyes are looking at two different images, one magnified, one not !)
Do you like the Athens better than Elite?
So far the Vista 35 and I have been getting along VERY well.
I have a pse uprising and I'm shooting with the peep that came on the bow,and I feel it's too small for my comfort. Its really fuzzy and it also makes my sight fuzzy . I wanted to know if a slightly bigger peep would help
It's VERY possible. Everyone's eyes are different.
Im fortunate that I can shoot with both eyes open and focus on the target but still have a very clear pin that I can see float in and out of the lines. when hunting I have no recollection of the shot process on a live animal but alwasy get to watch the arrow hit the animal and know immediately if I made a good shot. Thanks for the content Jack
What fixed my issues was switching to the ezv site. That got rid of the pin blur that also caused target blur. Now it's like shooting my ar the v is barely there but enough for me to easily frame the target regardless of range.
Last year I got rid of the peep and went with a nose button and now my accuracy is the best it's ever been. Old eyes and bifocals suck for archery with pin sights
In the Army, we were taught that focusing on the target was a no-no - they called it "bull gazing". My near vision is poor but distant is still good. What I do is shift between the pin and the target. It is working out so far. Getting old is not for weaklings. Thank you for the great content.
I try "The Shift" too as I like to call it and it's been a mixed bag of results for varied distances. Indoors it holds its own though. Thanks for commenting!
Interesting, ‘bullgazing’ never heard that term before. I was conversing with a retired Marine UA-cam buddy and he made a comment about when shooting with iron sights that you want to focus on the front pin through the rear hole until everything else around the hole is blurry, I guess the same principle. You don’t focus on the target but the pin on the front of the barrel.
It’s not bull it’s ball lmao
Cheers Tyler, thanks for the clarification 😁
Selling leggings?
Focus on target, both eyes open. Shoot instinctively. (Of course that might involve an entirely different rig)
I'm over 70, and my eyes don't play well with shifting focus between pins and target, so I have learned to focus on my target and live with blurry pins. It has taken a while to adapt, but it works for me.
Thank you for the input!!! Appreciate it when folks chime in on the comment section with their own experiences.
This is exactly what target recurve shooters do. For indoor, they focus on the sight pin. For outdoor target shooting in they focus on target.
Get a crossbow? 😆
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Back in the 1950s we thought by 21st century problems like poor eyesight would be problems no more. And here we are nearly a quarter of the way through the 21st century and still using 2,500 year old lens technology just to see a sight pin.