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Lol no.
The caller was talking out both sides of his mouth.. It infuriates me that these OLD, White Politicians have the audacity to make LAWS CONTROLLING FEMALES LIVES!!!!!
how can anyone agree with your comment when it is so divisive against whites in general.
Baby killer.
@@user-mb8qi3ky5q All you have to do is look 👀 at the Politicians creating the laws.. They are the people stripping FEMALES of OUR RIGHTS.
@@user-mb8qi3ky5qComing right out the gate with the racism. Yikes.
@@user-cd8xh1er5l Call me whatever you want. I could care less. I’m for FEMALES being able to make their own CHOICES, regarding THEIR LIVES. It’s nobody else’s BUSINESS what they do. We don’t know their situations.
As a woman, it always angers me when men discuss women's right to healthcare, especially abortion. They seem to always forget that it's WRONG to force pregnancy on a woman. ENOUGH
Hell, they seem to forgot there's even a woman involved a lot of the time.
It is not a men or women thing. It is always wrong to force pregnancy on anyone. Whether that person is categorised as a man or a woman, it is wrong.
maybe dont spread your legs so much,your baby isnt at fault that you are a skank
I find it funny how those against abortion think women just quickly and easily have an abortion. That's a big life changing decision regardless. Sure, there are some women that will quickly and easily have an abortion, but do you really want these women to give birth and raise kids? Even if they give them up for adoption, are you thinking the system is ready for the influx of orphans flooding the system if the women having abortions at the drop of a hat is as high as they think? Are you actually going to see these orphans being adopted or are they going to end up becoming criminals because they don't actually get a home.
That's why I find the anti-abortion advocates to be stupid, they don't think of the consequences of what it would do to the country nor do they care once these kids are born.
I didn't know biology born men with different skeletons and organs, bones, and blood vessels with no reproduction organs and the men who just take pills and have medical body surgical procedures that they could get pregnant even if they were transgender women
You might remind Kevin that the conservative point leads them to thinking it would be okay to monitor women's menstrual cycles. It's not about saving babies, it's about controlling what women can and can't do with their own bodies.
Who wants to monitor women's menstrual cycle?
They don't care about the kids once they are born. You never see Republicans discuss how to solve the new problems they create with this.
Exactly 😕
Can you at least agree though that late into the 2nd trimester, early 3rd trimester that there are additional ethical concerns surrounding the ability of the fetus to feel pain? A lot of european countries actually ban on demand abortion in the 2nd trimester due to this exact reason. In the first trimester yeah I think a woman's right to choose is more important.
None of us are our mother's body part.
I‘m very worried about all these unwanted babies who are going to be born. What will their lifes be like? I don’t think that all of them will be given away for adoption. I’m afraid that many babies will be growing up in poverty or dysfunctional families. Has anyone of these „pro life“ people ever thought about that??
You are DECADES too late for that argument. Why do you think the USA has so many psychopaths and youth gang violence, those are all unwanted babies born due to your cultural pressure. And I guess also because abortion costs money in your country I'm assuming.
An argument from the right, which is legit, is that it takes a village to raise a kid. In many small towns, and even small cities a single mother receives a lot of local support. My sister did. This is a part of the different mindset between the left and right. The right support community support and it happens. The left feel the government should just deal out a check and call it good.
Not a single one. The moment someone is born, they stop caring altogether. Because "pro-life" is a lie; they're anti-choice and misogynist (anti-female).
there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States - which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.
@@UnknownArchive yes, the statistics sound great. Unfortunately, I know the human side of it, I‘m a doctor and I‘ve been working in hospital for 23 years. I‘m an anaesthetist and spend a lot of time in ob-gyn, but I can only recall a handful of cases where the baby was given for adoption. In many cases it’s young girls who ask for an abortion. They are usually scared and ashamed to be pregnant, some would rather commit suicide or dump the baby somewhere than to tell their families the truth. But secretly carrying a baby until term is very difficult, and it’s very traumatic for a woman to give the baby away.
I don’t like abortions at all. But what I hate much more is the sheer ignorance of most pro-lifers. They are not interested in supporting the pregnant ladies, sadly.
The medical field already took this up. According to them 22-24 weeks is viability. Between what I've been told by a few OB/Gyns, unless there is something terribly wrong with the fetus or the mother's life is in danger, they tend not to do abortions after that point anyway.
Vote Biden/Harris. Women's Reproductive Healthcare is on the ballot 🇺🇸 💙
In the Torah, and other Jewish texts that predate Christianity, abortion is not murder because life begins at birth. Unless there's something in the Christian Bible for Christians to believe otherwise, they shouldn't claim that their religion gives them permission to oppose abortion on religious grounds.
ithe view on abortion in the catholic church has evolved and changed repeatedly over time. i don't think there's any specific scripture speaking against it, so i'm pretty sure any position is based purely on interpretation.
not sure how other religions come to their positions, but i'm pretty sure it's the same way.
Since when do Christians follow the Bible? They do what they want and then look for excuses by quoting the Bible entirely out of context. Bring up the trial of the bitter waters all you want, they'll just dive into the book, find a passage that agrees with their ideology, then come up and attack you with it.
The Christian bible is actually pretty lenient about the concept of abortion (the word itself is never even explicitly mentioned, though there are references), but the people who tout it the most seem to be the least familiar with the book they’re waving around.
You're falling into their trap..just say you hate babies.
@@stoneneils you hate babies
Pro-choice or anti-choice. There is no other option.
This guy 🤦🏻♀️ Can’t perceive the notion that these issues is one and the same.
No.. Controlling womans bodies is just a by product. They literally think its a human being at conception so it is about saving babies. His point was they want to control woman's bodies bc they they think its murder.
Kevin's gaslighting, good job 👏 David 🎉
how ironic this channel prefers that Palestine doesn't exist
@@uonecar your comment has nothing to do with topic being discussed
@@user-mb8qi3ky5q but do people don't want to discuss this all you want to discuss is Trump
@@user-mb8qi3ky5q that and it's objectively false statement.
@@uonecar That is absurd you could deduce that from my statement. Just because I do not agree 100%, I must be a trumper. just sic
intolerant persons want their views tolerated no matter how their views change
they want to be understood and complain they are being misunderstood when one repeats their own gibberish back to them verbatim
"I know that is what I said
but you are twisting the meaning of what I said by repeating my own. words back to me"
The subject is correct though. Pakman does get the right wing argument on abortion wrong. There is a thing called fetal murder on the books in many states including California.
@@1987BillyBob the right does not have a singular position. "they" hold a position in one interview and give a contrary view in the very next interview and will sputter "but but but you misunderstand" and another view will come out of the very same person when addressing their donors in private as a secret recording will come out
@@willmacleod761 and this is where you are incorrect. From the left I hear "my body my choice" but then they turn around and push a vaccine mandate. Also, it is your body your choice, choose to have sex or not.
Both sides do contradict themselves but the left does it a lot more, especially after covid. The left will say they support education but then they shut down schools. They claim to be for womens' rights but then can't define what a woman is or want ment to participate in women's sports.
People call in and say the weirdest things
Right? "well thats not the deceptive label conservatives use for their position, shouldn't you be using that?"
Indeed
The whole idea from the right wing side of this is them trying to do things that sound reasonable at some surface level, but the actual impact is just hardline fascism. It's completely disingenuous and there is no point trying to engage with it.
Look at the real world effect of abortion bans with exceptions. It *sounds* great that they put in those exceptions, but they end up being only a legal defense rather than an affirmed right. So any abortion performed under an exception comes with the risk of being charged with a crime, no matter how justified it was. And that leads to no doctor/clinic/hospital being willing to take on that risk, because trials and lawyers are expensive and time consuming.
Its about a womans choice to do what she wants
This guy really needs to real the Comstock laws. This is not MAGAt's first rodeo, even though they weren't called MAGAts.
ZZZZZZ - - - DEMOCRAT Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accepted Planned Parenthood’s Margaret Sanger Award, named after the founder of the American Birth Control League, which changed its name to Planned Parenthood in the 1940s. In her remarks, Clinton singled out the namesake of the award for praise:
Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision … And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her.
Clinton lamented that “Margaret Sanger’s work here in the United States and certainly across our globe is not done.” < > WASHINGTON EXAMINER
@@jryecart8017 What's your point? DEMOCRAT Hillary Clinton, is no longer in any political office. The last time she *was* in office Roe v Wade was still upheld by the SCOTUS. So nothing she said would have any relevance to the barbaric insanity unleashed upon this country TODAY by our current SCOTUS, and the demented conservative state leaders across the country.
It's critical thinking 101. It seems like Kevin doesn't understand that there's no point in arguing with manipulative propaganda. I appreciate you calling it like it is, David. Sadly, Kevin is one of many who don't agree with the extremists, but also don't realize how they're being manipulated into a fallacious argument they can't win.
P.S. I heard the call in last night's show and I'm so glad you ran it today! It was totally worthy of a another listen.
The only point in arguing propaganda is to dismantle it. For the converted, it takes a LOT of work to do so and conceding their ideology just sets that goal back.
I think you should just always frame your reply for the good-faith listener. You can't control whether the person you are directly responding to is part of that group, but if not, then what you say to them does not matter.
Saying they want to control womans bodies is also propaganda. That is just a by product. They literally think its a human being at conception so it is about saving babies. His point was they want to "control woman's bodies" bc they they think its murder.
If someone is trespassing on your property you can have them removed… unless they’re trespassing in your uterus.
I wish people would bring what the Bible says about life beginning to the masses who done in about it beginning at conception.
Their own "text" clearly states that life begins "...at first breath." Genesis 2:7.
That's referring to the beginning of humanity you are either not to bright or you are intentionally being facetious.
Psalm 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
@@Elephant-mq6us Birth is the beginning of humanity too. First breath has been considered when life begins by Abrahamic peoples for thousands of years. Maybe if you people stopped changing your minds whenever it's convenient, we could take you seriously.
@@Elephant-mq6usexactly. HUMANITY LMAO this is not the own you think it is. You’re literally making our point for us. Humanity IS what we protect/value. And if it begins at first breath then that’s when rights/protections ought to begin. YOU must not be too bright 😂 🤦🏻♀️
God says to Jeremiah, “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.” Meaning, I've known you before there was a you to be known by anyone else. Before you were in the womb, before I even began to form you there, I knew you. Knew you, who you are, what you would do. Before you were born, I consecrated you.
Lol wait, so does this caller also make a habit of scolding the other side for misrepresenting _our_ position (as they are wont to do) _…? 🤨🤦♀️🙄_
Im just so sick and tired of this abortion argument. Idk who would care if a woman decides not to continue with a pregnancy for whatever reason it is. Why is it so important to others? Are you going to take care of hhe unwanted babies when they are born? Are you going to step in and carry the baby to term for the woman? If not, there is no need for any arguments.
There is a need for an argument. The argument is that abortion is murder.
"Why is it so important to others?"
Because you will adhere to their religious beliefs or else. That's what it's really about, control.
@@Vipre- we shouldn't have to adhere to anyone's beliefs. I don't believe in a lot of things on the left but I don't expect anyone to live by my standards. It's ridiculous
Its important to them bc they literally think its murder
@@scoop2448 It is arguably murder.
Yeah, granting the right-wing premise that abortion supposedly is murder really wouldn't help with anything.
I think it would have been better to discuss this based on the moral notion of murder, since as people pointed out the laws can vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. As I would argue the real reason abortion isn't murder is for the exact same reason that refusing to donate an organ isn't considered murder by the majority of the populace.
Lots of political junkies on social media have some sort of obsession that EVERY time a topic is brought up you are supposed to preface it with this huge "the story so far" catch up nonsense. It's an ongoing issue. If you aren't caught up its not the responsibility of the speaker to bring you up to speed.
Insisting people explain what conservatives hold and call their position on abortion before countering it EVERY TIME it comes up is an unreasonable expectation. Every video would start with 'refresher' that's AT LEAST 5 minutes. Madness.
They did this INTENSELY when the Israel-Palestine war started. No one could make any statement without a wave of responses asking who they support/condemn. Ridiculous tribalism nonsense.
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Poor Kevin getting roasted 😂 I thought he meant, why not try to lag it gently u. Order to appeal pro-lifers? Although, that’s practically impossible to find middle ground if it comes to an emotional, religious basis.
1) Women get so offended with this because to think that women wouldn’t be able to make this decision when they have careers, more education and more money than even their partners often times… it’s beyond condescending. Akin to lump women alongside orphaned minors that need court appointed guardian. What’s next, court appointed guardian to manage their finances and properties? To attend college? To work outside the home?
2) They are held responsible, their partner isn’t…all the blame on women.
3) then the biggie: plenty of children in foster care. Not enough people that can adopt kids as it is now. Those are a lot of the children that have lifelong struggles because of that upbringing ranging from abuse, emotional troubles, drugs, violence, homelessness, lack of education, etc. notice how that isn’t politicized. Notice how the foster care system hasn’t been denigrated by MAGAs. Despite getting involved in what kids learn with critical race theory, public vs charter, colleges and the protests. You have MAGAs that don’t have kids, maybe only have grandkids, probably didn’t go to college and no one in their lineage will go to any Ivy League, so why are they worried about what Harvard was doing?
I think there is far more awareness to the tactics and the propaganda points that have been fed to Americans for decades by the right wing (heritage foundation, Koch brothers, etc) that is funded by corporate interests. Corporate interests that are interested in dividing people and disorienting them so they can continue to exploit us and improve their profit margins.
To think Edward Bernays as a marketing exec got Americans to adopt bacon and eggs as the American Breakfast by getting doctors to recommend it with pseudoscience (like doctors used to recommend cigs) is insidious and pervasive in American life. Mass consumption, plastic/single use companies that squashed legislator against single use plastic and then pushed to pass recycling labeling for all plastic products even the ones that can’t be recycled. All because it is cheaper to make new plastic rather than to sort it out, not to mention they put the blame on municipalities for not having the tech instead of then only making recyclable plastics or no single use, or be taxed for it. The recycling lie, just huge. I’m glad people are waking up but work needs to be done.
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Trump is against abortion even in the "exceptions." The only reason he tries to fight that argument when courts and legislatures follow through on it is because he knows it's a losing issue. Promoting the exceptions wins him voters, the latter of which is exactly what he wants.
He’s for anything that gets him elected. He doesn’t actually give a crap about abortion.
Great mini discussion
Why not Testicle watching as well? Without Testicles there are no pregnancies. DNA could be used to make sure that all unwanted pregnancies are to be fully financed by the biological father, with no exceptions. So each man needs to enter a DNA register or accept sterilization, and each pregnancy that passes the limit of abortion are required to have a dna test to determine the father who will then solely be responsible to pay for everything if the pregnancy is unwanted.
Where is the program
Second
I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to have some restrictions around abortion, its just that the laws conservatives are enacting are way too extreme. Even though like 70% of americans support abortion being mostly legal, a plurality of americans don't want abortion in the 3rd and even 2nd trimesters.
I want you to imagine whatever you think your ideal abortion policy would be. Got it? Okay. What's to be done about people who fall outside your restrictions but nonetheless need abortions?
First 😂😂😂
No, I'm first.
Yay for you 😂
Loser
Let’s get this settled once and for all. This debate is not about when life begins. Life began billions of years ago. The sperm and the egg are alive. If ever they are not then there won’t be conception and there won’t be the development of an embryo. An embryo is clearly alive, as are egg and the sperm. So stop talking about when life begins.
Correct. Sperm consists of chromosomes = Life.
i get where you're coming from, but a haploid cell isn't a full human. i've tried pointing out that a worm is alive, and that a cancer cell has human DNA. their argument very obviously isn't from a scientific position.
i've started trying a different approach. i reserve it for those who explicitly utilize religion or speak of a soul.
i state that an aborted baby's soul gets right back to waiting for the next body to be ready. you don't lose the aborted soul, you just delay it until you can give your baby's soul a better life. if you do not intend to give birth, the soul knows this and seeks a different waiting fetus.
i do not let them argue that reincarnation is not the truth. i demand they disprove reincarnation before they take away my wife's right to decide when or if she wants a baby's soul to enter our family.
@@sebcw1204 doesn’t matter whether it’s a full human or not. It’s alive. So we need to get the conversation away from whether I t’s alive and when life begins. That isn’t important. The haploid stage of our lifecycle is just as much a part of the life cycle as the diploid stage.
The conversation about what is a full human is what this is all about and where it gets very interesting. What you quickly realize is that most of these “pro life” people really don’t even know what life is. But they’re always talking about human beings and equating an embryo to an adult fully developed human being is absurd.
These people are not “pro-life“, they are forced birthers.
@@rickedwards7276 totally agree with you. i mean, our brains don't finish developing until we are 25 years old. so are we fully human before that? i mean, one could say we obviously are, but i think a better point is autonomy. the ability of the body to be controlled by the brain within it.
@@sebcw1204 It’s a complex and nuanced conversation once you get past the simple minded BS. I agree that autonomy is a component. That’s a little difficult because most humans aren’t capable of autonomous survival for several years after birth. And even that’s being generous.
I think any point we pick is bound to be arbitrary to a degree or another. I, personally, think that the quickening is a reasonable thing to start a discussion. When you’re in a desired pregnancy, that’s an exciting moment and certainly suggest that the developing fetus is reaching an integrated stage.
When women, all women regardless of socioeconomic status, have free access to healthcare and family planning then I might not object too much to setting a final decision date somewhere around six months. That would be in the absence of ameliorating medical circumstances, or danger to the potential mother.
But I’m certainly open to other viewpoints. What I’m not open to is this blanket claim that fertilized egg is a full human being and must be protected at all costs. I reproductive capacity for seeds, the caring capacity of the planet, and we have to be able to make some practical decisions in regards to human reproduction.
"legally, it doesnt meet the definition of murder" isnt that now dependent on the state? I would assume that any state that bans abortion is banning it on the grounds of being murder. Not to mention the whole double homicide thing with killing a pregnant woman. Regardless of anything else it seems like Dpak is just wrong on his primary assertion.
they aren't restricting abortion on the grounds of it being murder, legally. they aren't making laws saying "Abortion after X weeks is now a homicide"
In other countries we don't even consider it murder when a teenager leaves their baby to die in a garbage pail. We have compassion and rarely even charge them. Your country is a sick one to the core because all religous people are vile at heart.
Yes, states set and define murder laws. This is what is ironic here. All overturning Roe did was leave it to the states. States also set murder laws.
@@1987BillyBob Individual states have no jurisdiction to define or curtail human rights, including the right to bodily autonomy.
@@feathersigil2048 there is nothing in the Constitution that gives a right to bodily autonomy.
My God David, I wish I could debate you on a public stage or social medial platform!!!! ...You are such a liar when it comes to these issues!! .. You're so intellectually dishonest. 🤦🤦🤦
Please point out the lies. I am curious what your point of view is.
@@hirampriggott1689 Well, he lies in every single video. I wasn't merely speaking of this particular one. His entire channel is based on fear-mongering and propaganda. For example, he knows that "Late-Term" abortions are performed in this country, but as he shows in this video, he refuses to tell the public the truth.
A couple of abortionists who have performed Late-Term abortions are:
* Kermit Goslen (Philadelphia)
*Warren Hern (Colorado)
Plus, there are about six states that currently allow abortions with NO restrictions!!! ....At any phase!!!! ..David Pakman knows this, but he supports domestic terrorism against unborn children, just like you do.
@@hirampriggott1689 I posted all the facts that David Pakman lied about, but it disappeared as soon as I posted it. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 ...Hmmmmm... Strange ..... It's almost as if David Pakman doesn't want his audience to research my references.
David.. always annoyed with the feedback with the public segments.. why even do it?
Would you want him to insulate himself and then be called out of touch?
I'm ok with him being annoyed if only he'd throw in some Yiddish. "Oy vey..get with it putz, turn off your mute."
@@utterlyviolet every segment begins with this awkward technically glitched connection process that obviously annoys the host, and he always condescendingly paints the caller as the source of the glitches. Maybe get some staff to streamline this process so the caller is already connected and talking. That’s all I’m saying.
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Pakman is completely wrong here. Take his murder definition for example. In the state of CA if you murder a pregnant woman you are charged with a double homicide for the fetal murder as well. Also, when it comes to access to healthcare, we are denied access to many forms of healthcare as is. Take Vioxx for example, it is denied because it increases the chance of heart attacks even though it works well in reducing pain. I bet Pakman does not worry about the elimination of that choice though.
Cool so we'll just gauge everything by California law. Problem solved. /s
The California Statute excludes lawful abortions. Sorry dear, you're misinformed
@@neiloch1987Billybob is not correct. Just ignore the uneducated.
lol vioxx is such a piss poor example. the only reason we're "denied" access to vioxx is because merck voluntarily recalled it 20 years ago. it increased the risk of heart attack and stroke, and the only reason it was on the market was because merck manipulated data in order to receive FDA approval. It was compared to naproxen (Aleve) in marketing campaigns which is an nsaid, and there are multiple drugs that relieve pain just as well that don't cause unnecessary heart attacks.
Don't sit here and use vioxx as an example of being denied access to healthcare and then imply it's kinda the same as being denied access to abortion.
You're talking like an angry virgin who hasn't had sex so is really not a legit participant in the conversation. Once you experience the pleasures then you can talk.