This was an incredibly useful video! The footage was well shot, lighting was excellent, edited masterfully (including the time compression for the assembly), and just the right amount of information. All UA-cam videos should be this well done. Thank you for taking the time to make this.
Thanks for your kind words. I'm new to making videos about my ideas and projects, but I have a few more in mind that I hope to share...one of these days.
@@chuckmccracken4100 the Harbor Freight website has the owners manual for the saws they are selling now. The are showing 64 1/2" blades. I don't think the blade length has changed. I bought a bunch in bulk a few years ago, so I can't remember for sure.
A friend of mine just gave me one of these saws. It has been used and abused in every possible way that you can imagine. I never seen it run before I got it home. Actually its still in the back of the truck under a heavy tarp with a foot of snow on top of it. (It's dry). Anywho I really don't have space for it in my shop but after watching your video I know what to do with it. I'm going to do the exact same thing you did. I was going to have to build a stand for it if I kept it. The original stand is held together with duct tape and a lot of hope. If I make it a vertical saw I can push it in the corner until needed. Thanks so much for your idea and sharing it with a very well produced video. Nicely done!
Self Made happy you replied. I watched part 1 in an automated play list. Could not find it again so I can subscribe to your channel. Looking forward to part 2. Heading that way not. Thanks!
great project and idea. regarding the gear box, when the oil gets warm creates fumes and those fumes oxidize everything in there. usually, gear boxes have a vent valve on top connected to a hose (protection against the environment); such a valve need to be serviced once in a while by disconnecting it and blowing air through it. if its clogged some carb cleaner will help or a piece of wire through it. the automotive pcv system, for instance, uses the pcv valve, and when the valve is not serviced around 30k fumes causes gaskets and seals to break down and deteriorate and eventually that leads to leakeage of oil, vacuum and contamination of the environment. as well. as a result, the hypoid oil used in it causes its thermal breakdown and could be prone to cause sludge everywhere (kinda spider web debris) too shortening its life spand. iow, a 1/8 or so pinhole - north of the inclination point - will aid to tolerate greater heating conditions to the gears and oil - and also aid to disipate heat & harmful fumes i guess. just an idea thanks for the video
I like it! Nice conversion job. Only comment is you do not want to use Hypoid Oil. The GL5 hypoid (differential) gear oil has sulfur and phosphorus EP additive that will attack and damage the bronze worm gear. GL5 is fine for steel gears, fine for a differential. For Brass gears GL4 is recommended (some transmissions use brass synchros. Yes, I learned the hard way with old Datsun's. Two transmission suppliers, one with steel synchros, the other with brass synchro's.
THnks for the good Video on mounting Metal band saw was looking for ideas something like what you did will be a great method of mount mine... As a Heavy Equipment Mechanic.. on RTV gaskets on things like oil cover.. what I do is not tighten the bolts all the way down.. just enough to get even squeeze out started all the way around the cover edge... then let it cure overnight if possible but at least several hours... then tighten the cover all the way down compressing the cured RTV for a better seal... started doing that on some old trash engines/parts to run worn out old farm machinery without of machinist support... fills in the scratches and voids before compressing it to a paper thin nothing..
My friend, that is a damn fine job of turning a still useful machine into something great for your shop. I'd buy you a couple beers if I could. I'll settle for drinking the one I have right now.
I found this video while looking for an easy to find gear oil that's safe for brass gears. A few of the forums stated GL-5 eats brass over time and GL-4 and below are safe. Just letting you know for what it's worth. Aside from that, this is an awesome idea and much cheaper than buying a vertical only metal cutting bandsaw.
Yeah, I'm hearing that oil was wrong. I'm actually working on the saw again right now because I burnt the motor up big time. I'll be posting a Part 2 to this project in a few days, and changing the oil is part of it. Thanks.
I have decided to do this mod on my HF bandsaw. I use my 14" dry cut saw for all my major cutting now, and my band saw stays vertical for the small stuff. That's a great looking mount you made for yours!
Very good idea.. The same saw was sold in Europe under other name and colour and i often wonder how many are still running.. This is the first time i see it transformed into a vertikal bandsaw even when its obvious not many come to the idea... Thanx
When my 4x6 bandsaw stopped working I thought motor had burnt out too. Then I troubleshot the machine and found out that the cord had just broken by the plug. So I replaced that, and it is still running. I do hear about the motors burning out on this saw a lot though. Now I wonder how many of them really do have burnt out motors.
I have owned several bandsaws large and small and have always used 80-90 gear oil it doesn't leak as much and stays on gears after shut down that 80-140 that you have there should work fine I like your vertical conversion good video thanx
+Vorlon Timelord I have thought about, a bunch of people have asked me about it. But, these saws have changed a little over the years and they're badged under different names. I'm not sure you could make a base that would be universal. Maybe.
One more thing....I am planninig to replace the gear box cover by a trasparent( fiber glass, plastic, Lexan, )one like I did on another type of machine. Or a least some kind of look out... I am wnadering if yours has run without lube? Probably....
+remige2006 It may be have ran out of lube, not sure. After the motor quit on me it sat for a long time in a shed, so it probably kept seeping out the whole time. I was worried that it had damaged the gears, but there wasn't metal shavings/dust in the box, so I don't think it was harmed. On a good note, it hasn't dripped a drop since this video was made about 2 years ago.
Very nice and paratical instalation.. Did you notice how close you are from a portable band saw....a handle here, a handle there... a helper ( some kind of helping adolescent, if they still exist !) I hate to have such an idea, the one that will haunt me for few days...( not the idea about ados but the one about a portable saw....) ).
Grizzy has all the paets for these saws,just go to there manuals for there saw and use there part number when you call them HF sucks when it comes to parts.
For the price, these little saws are a great deal. I've got the two and use them all the time. The only complaint I've ever had with them is the stand/wheels. The stands are flimsy and cheap, so if you plan on moving it around a lot, you might want to make a better stand.
Well no, I'm still going to one of these days, just have too much going on. I'm trying to finish my shop, juggling rental property rehab, storm clean up, etc. I've bought all the parts, just have to find the time.
I would like to add NOT to use GL5 oil. It contains phosphorus and that isn’t good for brass gears. It will cause them to wear prematurely. GL4 or special machine lubricants for use with brass gears.
Getting my saw up to a comfortable working height has been my best mod.
This was an incredibly useful video! The footage was well shot, lighting was excellent, edited masterfully (including the time compression for the assembly), and just the right amount of information. All UA-cam videos should be this well done. Thank you for taking the time to make this.
Thanks for your kind words. I'm new to making videos about my ideas and projects, but I have a few more in mind that I hope to share...one of these days.
@@SelfMadeProject Just trying to figure out because I miss placed my owners manual what the bleed size was
@@chuckmccracken4100 the Harbor Freight website has the owners manual for the saws they are selling now. The are showing 64 1/2" blades. I don't think the blade length has changed. I bought a bunch in bulk a few years ago, so I can't remember for sure.
Nice bench saw setup. Rubber flap to cover that gap, keep chips out of the base. Much appreciative.
Good idea! Thanks.
I like a man with a plan. I'm an auto mechanic and I sure wish I could tighten bolts as fast as you can. LOL.
A friend of mine just gave me one of these saws. It has been used and abused in every possible way that you can imagine. I never seen it run before I got it home. Actually its still in the back of the truck under a heavy tarp with a foot of snow on top of it. (It's dry). Anywho I really don't have space for it in my shop but after watching your video I know what to do with it. I'm going to do the exact same thing you did. I was going to have to build a stand for it if I kept it. The original stand is held together with duct tape and a lot of hope. If I make it a vertical saw I can push it in the corner until needed. Thanks so much for your idea and sharing it with a very well produced video. Nicely done!
Thanks, seems like I use my vertical one a lot more than the horizontal one. Hope it works out for you, there's also a part 2 to this project.
Self Made happy you replied. I watched part 1 in an automated play list. Could not find it again so I can subscribe to your channel. Looking forward to part 2. Heading that way not. Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words. I use mine all the time, works great!
great project and idea.
regarding the gear box, when the oil gets warm creates fumes and those fumes oxidize everything in there. usually, gear boxes have a vent valve on top connected to a hose (protection against the environment); such a valve need to be serviced once in a while by disconnecting it and blowing air through it. if its clogged some carb cleaner will help or a piece of wire through it.
the automotive pcv system, for instance, uses the pcv valve, and when the valve is not serviced around 30k fumes causes gaskets and seals to break down and deteriorate and eventually that leads to leakeage of oil, vacuum and contamination of the environment. as well.
as a result, the hypoid oil used in it causes its thermal breakdown and could be prone to cause sludge everywhere (kinda spider web debris) too shortening its life spand.
iow, a 1/8 or so pinhole - north of the inclination point - will aid to tolerate greater heating conditions to the gears and oil - and also aid to disipate heat & harmful fumes i guess. just an idea
thanks for the video
I like it! Nice conversion job.
Only comment is you do not want to use Hypoid Oil. The GL5 hypoid (differential) gear oil has sulfur and phosphorus EP additive that will attack and damage the bronze worm gear.
GL5 is fine for steel gears, fine for a differential. For Brass gears GL4 is recommended (some transmissions use brass synchros. Yes, I learned the hard way with old Datsun's. Two transmission suppliers, one with steel synchros, the other with brass synchro's.
Yes, he needs to change that oil.
THnks for the good Video on mounting Metal band saw was looking for ideas something like what you did will be a great method of mount mine... As a Heavy Equipment Mechanic.. on RTV gaskets on things like oil cover.. what I do is not tighten the bolts all the way down.. just enough to get even squeeze out started all the way around the cover edge... then let it cure overnight if possible but at least several hours... then tighten the cover all the way down compressing the cured RTV for a better seal... started doing that on some old trash engines/parts to run worn out old farm machinery without of machinist support... fills in the scratches and voids before compressing it to a paper thin nothing..
Great idea! You kept your design nice and simple and it works!
Thanks for posting! 👍🏻
My friend, that is a damn fine job of turning a still useful machine into something great for your shop. I'd buy you a couple beers if I could. I'll settle for drinking the one I have right now.
Ha! Thanks for checking it out. I'll try to remember to drink the other one!
I found this video while looking for an easy to find gear oil that's safe for brass gears. A few of the forums stated GL-5 eats brass over time and GL-4 and below are safe. Just letting you know for what it's worth. Aside from that, this is an awesome idea and much cheaper than buying a vertical only metal cutting bandsaw.
Yeah, I'm hearing that oil was wrong. I'm actually working on the saw again right now because I burnt the motor up big time. I'll be posting a Part 2 to this project in a few days, and changing the oil is part of it. Thanks.
Awesome, looking forward to checking it out when you do. BTW, I found some GL-4 at walmart of all places.
I have decided to do this mod on my HF bandsaw. I use my 14" dry cut saw for all my major cutting now, and my band saw stays vertical for the small stuff. That's a great looking mount you made for yours!
Thanks, I use mine all the time! I've got a part 2 to this project also.
+Self Made Thanks, I watched it too. Really like the use of the VFD. I'm in the process of converting my drill press to 3ph with a VFD.
Very nicely done. Great execution for a vertical conversion.
Greg Ontario Canada.
Very good idea.. The same saw was sold in Europe under other name and colour and i often wonder how many are still running.. This is the first time i see it transformed into a vertikal bandsaw even when its obvious not many come to the idea... Thanx
Thanks. I use it all the time and still love it.
Great video, awesome idea.. Really simple bracket, totally transforms the saw..
When my 4x6 bandsaw stopped working I thought motor had burnt out too. Then I troubleshot the machine and found out that the cord had just broken by the plug. So I replaced that, and it is still running. I do hear about the motors burning out on this saw a lot though. Now I wonder how many of them really do have burnt out motors.
Awesome idea. I would love to be able to do my saw that way. I set on mine to cut out knives.
I have owned several bandsaws large and small and have always used 80-90 gear oil it doesn't leak as much and stays on gears after shut down that 80-140 that you have there should work fine I like your vertical conversion good video thanx
Thanks for checking it out. It's worked great so far, and still no leaks.
Very nice conversion!
Great idea and well done!
Great work, bud! Nice SAVE!
Great salvage job, it turned out great. i give it a thumbs up for sure
Really nice solution. It’s been several years now since you did this…… Are you still pleased? Anything I should know about before I do this? 👍👍😎👍👍
I still use it all the time. Very handy tool.
That's a great idea! Thanks for the share👍😁👍.
Thanks for checking it out!
That runs smooth.
Thanks, I use it all the time, love it.
You should offer that base for sale. I'll bet you could sell as many as you could make
+Vorlon Timelord I have thought about, a bunch of people have asked me about it. But, these saws have changed a little over the years and they're badged under different names. I'm not sure you could make a base that would be universal. Maybe.
Do you still have the old green one
yes, use it all the time.
@@SelfMadeProject Do you remember what size blade it took
Great video! NEVER throw anything away :-)
One more thing....I am planninig to replace the gear box cover by a trasparent( fiber glass, plastic, Lexan, )one like I did on another type of machine. Or a least some kind of look out...
I am wnadering if yours has run without lube? Probably....
+remige2006 It may be have ran out of lube, not sure. After the motor quit on me it sat for a long time in a shed, so it probably kept seeping out the whole time. I was worried that it had damaged the gears, but there wasn't metal shavings/dust in the box, so I don't think it was harmed. On a good note, it hasn't dripped a drop since this video was made about 2 years ago.
Great video. How is this holding up for you? Im thinking of doing this to the red 4x6. Should be just as straight forward?
Working great! I use it all the time, much more than I ever would have in it's original form.
Great job!!!
Thanks! Fun to make and I still use it all the time.
Nice work!
I think you've just showed me why my grinder won't come up to speed.
Very nice and paratical instalation..
Did you notice how close you are from a portable band saw....a handle here, a handle there... a helper ( some kind of helping adolescent, if they still exist !)
I hate to have such an idea, the one that will haunt me for few days...( not the idea about ados but the one about a portable saw....)
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Lol, yeah I thought about that when I was handling the parts.
Great job!!! I needed this video and thank you for being cool and explaining everything... Thanks Bro!!
Thanks for checking it out, hope it gave you some ideas.
Bought one used does not have tires on pulley. Do these bandsaws have tires?
No tires, just steel wheels.
Just exactly what I was looking for. Great vid. liked and Sub'd!
Grizzy has all the paets for these saws,just go to there manuals for there saw and use there part number when you call them HF sucks when it comes to parts.
good idea,hw d yu like the new saw,id like to get one
For the price, these little saws are a great deal. I've got the two and use them all the time. The only complaint I've ever had with them is the stand/wheels. The stands are flimsy and cheap, so if you plan on moving it around a lot, you might want to make a better stand.
enough to reach the brass gear
great job..
Did he ever finish the harbor freight cnc project?
Well no, I'm still going to one of these days, just have too much going on. I'm trying to finish my shop, juggling rental property rehab, storm clean up, etc. I've bought all the parts, just have to find the time.
Cool, I have been wondering for a while now. Glad I know
Love this
Thanks, buddy. I like it too, use it all the time.
I would like to add NOT to use GL5 oil. It contains phosphorus and that isn’t good for brass gears. It will cause them to wear prematurely. GL4 or special machine lubricants for use with brass gears.
I should have also mentioned that GL-5 contains Sulfur and that can harm brass or bronze gears like what are in these saws.
Thank you
Liked and subscribed
Thanks!
Great video but you need to buy a new pulley
Nah, if you watch part 2 of this project, I convert it to variable speed. Never touch the belt or pulleys now.
I wish I would have seen this video 5 years ago, I had my dad's saw and I got rid of it!!!!! UHHHHG!
I made this video years ago, but I still use this little saw all the time. Super handy.