The thought of being that one person alone in a cockpit with no idea of what happened and how to land the plane sends chills up my spine... imagine being that person all alone while everyone is passed out and you can do nothing but wait until the plane crashes
I just don't understand how someone could be conscious after 2.5h but also not check on the pilots the whole time. He must have seen that all the passengers were passed out for hours. Did he fall unconscious and wake up again? Is that even possible?
@@hxllsideI wonder if maybe as people began to die, there was less breathing and thus enough oxygen for someone who is capable of consciousness at low oxygen to regain it?
@@hxllsideI haven't watch the video yet but if hypoxia is the issue it probably means he wasn't able to think clearly or formulate a proper plan just due to the lack of oxygen in his brain, he was probably running himself in circles.
@@Matt-jp6ifhe probably just had a genetic quirk of some kind that allowed his brain to function with less oxygen or more efficiently or whatever. Much like how the best marathon runners have very special muscles for such a distances
@@chicken29843 yeah, my question mainly came from it needing to be one hell of a difference if he lasted for so long when others didn’t. Surely if it was simply a quirk then he would have only lasted 30-40 minutes extra before also going out. Hence why I think maybe he needed less oxygen to be conscious from a genetic quirk, so then as people died there was enough oxygen for him to regain it.
Im old aircrew and now I understand why the airlines subjected us to hypoxia at least twice in my career. We needed to understand and recognise. It was scary as we thought we were ok when in fact, we struggled to do simple things. I love your channel. It's brilliant. Thank you.
It really is appalling how preventable this was. And while pressurisation issues are now less frequent, this kind of thing hasn't stopped: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45584300
@@GreenDotAviation That is an absolutely horrifying story! You wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy. Do the modern planes display very obvious and loud alert in case of depressurization? I sure hope so!
This one always gets me, the fact that if in some miracle the flight attendant had landed the plane, that all the passengers would have been inured beyond repair is not a thought I like to think of
Yes, and maybe he could have managed ist, who knows, at least he could bring down the plane from more than 10.000 to less than 3.000 meters. But he tried too late and I do ask myself why? And why did none of the cabin crew members tell the pilots immediately what happened, that the oxygem masks fell down in the cabin? The pilots could have taken their owns masks and bring the plane down. Why did this not happen? I am sure the cabin crews knww what to do in such a case as they must know that the oxygen is sufficient for only 12 minutes.
@@urotewelt7069 EXACTLY. Andreas seemed to have total recall as to where the portable O2 canisters were, yet seemed to have forgotten that he was actually a licensed COMMERCIAL pilot (though not on the "type"). Had he entered the flight deck earlier, he could have had all the oxygen he wanted via the pilots' masks, he could have radioed for help on the ground, and they might have been able to get him down. WHY DID HE WAIT?? He wandered around for 2 hours! Knowing the code for the cockpit the whole time! He let his girlfriend die?? WHY? If he had reacted quickly, he may have at least been able to get the plane below 10,000 feet and save SOME lives. What was he doing for 2 hours, on a plane full of brain-dead travelers?? He was the only one (besides possibly Haris) that had plenty of oxygen, but seemed even MORE zombie-like than the passengers. There was a chance for heroism. Like, better than just turning the plane to the LEFT, heroism. And the NTSB needs to step up its game and start doing more forensic testing (on the used canisters, FOR INSTANCE. just an idea!), especially with crashes like this, where the plane did not just dissolve on impact. They also could have tested the pilots masks, the switch in question (since it was found PAST the manual setting, and it was unable to be determined if it happened in the crash or not), tons of things. Welcome to 2024.
The thought of, if that poor 25 year-old had been able to land the plane, every single person aboard besides him being reduced to a severely brain-damaged vegetable is honestly far more unsettling than the actual outcome. Imagine being the medical personnel in charge of removing them all from the plane.
@@somiy4 The Allied Signal FDR used on this aircraft has a 50 hour recording capacity, so you mean the Fairchild CVR😉 You can determine a few thing by way of elimination. If the cabin crew contacted the flight deck the pilots would have reacted since they didnt know the passenger oxygen masks were down🤷🏻♂️"Everyone was experiencing mild hypoxia before the masks even dropped"?! Why are you lying? So aircraft design engineers will set the altitude for an automatic mask drop after hypoxia normally occurs?! Are you mental?!🤦🏻♂️ I find having an opinion about something when being as clueless as you is disrespectful. The flight crew did NOT show any sign of hypoxia when the cabin altitude warning sounded.
The fighter jets seeing a mysterious man in the cockpit not noticing them or worse purposefully ignoring them is absolutely traumatizing, to top all off it slowly Dawned on the Jet pilots that this entire plane is gonna crash killing every person on it
If the last standing MAN had fainted like the others, the casualties would be hundreds if not thousands souls more! Because the plane was headed into the capital city Athens. RESIDENTIAL areas, at that! God had a purpose in keeping him awake! Because he needed to save those souls on the ground. He veered the plane off on purpose, I hope everyone has got that. I’m sure I will see him soon in our Father’s heavenly kingdom, greeting the rest of us with our Lord Jesus Christ. HalleluYah!!! 🙏❤😍 💐
Greek here, if you listen to the footage from the intercept you'll hear the controller of the F16s vector in a second pair on intercept course because the plane was heading into a residential area. Patriot batteries were also on standby. The intercepted got called off after the plane veered off into Grammatiko and final heading was confirmed. The footage from the second F16, which was behind and to the left of the plane has not been released.
I can't imagine the terror that last person felt. It seems like it would be better to be unconscious at that point if there's nothing you can do. I wonder if he took the oxygen mask off when he knew it was going down. I would've went to the back, buckled up and let myself pass out.
at least he had the opportunity to think about those he had loved in his life. The others may have believed they were going to survive and just drifted off - never to wake again.
Some reports say that he wasn't alone. His girlfriend, who was also a flight attendant on that plane, was somewhere around in the cockpit with him in the end
my neighbours were on that flight. nice people, beautiful couple. Also keep in mind that the plane, landed smoothly by the efforts of Andreas Prodromou on the hill but crashed uncontrolably on the next hill. One of the F16 pilots contacted Andreas father, reassurred him that they did not took down the plane, and that he must be proud of his son, who did everything he could to save the plane knowing how little his chances were.
Andreas Prodromou had received over 200 hours of Flying Instruction and held a Commercial Aviation Licence. Therefore, he would have been sufficiently aware of the tuning and use of Radios, of the correct procedures following an Explosive Decompression at altitude, of the protocols for landing an aircraft in principle, of the need to keep himself adequately supplied with oxygen until the 737 had descended to 8,000 feet AMSL, and the priorities which must be set to ensure the maximum chance of survival for all the souls aboard. Instead, he appears to have done nothing of value whatsoever. A sad, preventable Mishap which none of those involved had the intelligence to mitigate or avert.
@@johnstedman4075 you sound like those dumb guys who never experienced a real danger in their life and still talking how would they manage to overcome the situation. If you think 200 hours are enough for someone to act like they are flying for ages then you know nothing of the real world
This one is heartbreaking. Andreas is a way stronger person than me. Maybe he felt some obligation to at least try to save the plane because he had a pilot license and was a flight attendant. If I were in his position, I would have just let the hypoxia overtake me and just go down not knowing what was about to happen. I did read he managed to turn the plane away from Athens while it was in the air, which must have been why he pointed down after the plane banked left when the fighter jet pilot tried to get his attention. I believe he fully knew that the plane was going to crash and that he would rather it happen away from the city to keep the death toll from being even higher. If that's the case, he is a true hero.
Sorry to tell you, but that last part is only found in wikipedia and youtube videoes😕 You should read the official accident report. The aircraft banked left after engine #1 flamed out.
This must be the third or fourth video of yours I have watched and they have all been very well made. I would not be surprised if your channel starts to grow very rapidly soon. All the best wishes for your channel.
What's the difference whether his channel "grows" or not ? It's a Great Channel anyway. There are YT channels with 100K subscribers that are PURE Click Bait. A large following on YT may just mean that your channel is a Social Magnet for MORONS. Most Americans are too "dumbed down" by Public School Education to even appreciate a technical channel like this one. This channel assumes that the viewer has a Functional Brain, which is a pretty high bar for most YT visitors. to reach.
Had a friends on this flight, a family of 4. Husband, wife and their two sons 17 and 12. They were going on holiday to celebrate the younger son was going to start high school come September. Also have acquaintances who were flight attendants that worked on this plane and reported multiple issues with the air conditioning, cabin pressure and other electrical problems that were consistently ignored. I remember the day this happened, the whole island was in such shock, we didn't know for hours what had happened, if it was another terrorist attack like 9/11 and if anyone had survived, there were false reports of shepherds in the area saving some passengers but obviously later in the day it was revealed that everyone had perished. The bodies were so burnt it took months to identify them via DNA analysis volunteered by surviving family members.
The only story so far to shake me this much at the thought of it. Hearing the moment they went dark i tied it to oxygen related. Cant imagine the stress of the one guy as well. Sounded like the maintenance guy over comms as well realized exactly what was happening just before the plane went silent and barely missed the chance to tell them to switch it to auto
Having seen I do believe every aviation video and program covering this crash, I held off on watching this one because I was rather certain that there was nothing left for me to learn. I was wrong. Superb job!
What's scary about this to me as I used to visit family in Cyprus most summers and flew with Helios many times, they only ever owned 3 aircraft and it's very likely that I have at some point been in this very aircraft, my grandmother had flew with Helios from Larnaca to Athens a week prior on this very aircraft. It's the closest I have ever been to a disaster like this.
Your videos are truly exceptional, because it’s concise, and very well researched. It’s not like most other air crash videos - sensational, longwinded, overly dramatic and overly technical. You really have created the best possible air crash analysis videos!!
This crash happened in 2005, but following 9/11 it was mandated (around 2003) that all aircraft should have reinforced and lockable cockpit doors. So how did a cabin crew member gain access to the cockpit? Or did this mandate not apply to Helios at the time?
Aircraft cabin crew know the passwords to open the cabin doors. The pilots can nullify that if they know there is say a terrorist on the plane. But in this case there is no one active so the cabin guy most likely just used the keycode.
@@katkenobi6765 Last time I checked, no. It is a Flight Attendant that entered the cockpit. Highly likely confused about what the hell just happened. Also, if it was that kind of situation, what should've been heard from the CVR would either be gunshots, or something that the pilots would be doing, and/or communicating to the tower before being unconscious. But to what I know, a mayday was called before they went unconscious.
🧑✈️It was flight attendant Andreas Prodromou that entered the cockpit and tried to fly the plane. At the time, he had gotten or was in training to acquire his pilot license and could fly, but not that actual plane. His girlfriend was on board with him and when he didn't get a response from the cockpit (assumed bcuz of his training as an FA) and saw the oxygen masks had deployed, he KNEW something bad was wrong with the pilots. He remembered that there were oxygen masks stored on board in a cabinet and used them to keep himself and his girlfriend from passing out. All 4 were found in the wreckage used and they lasted up to an hour. When he knew he couldn't save everyone, he went to the cockpit himself to try to land. He was still suffering from hypoxia himself but it was too late. The plane had run out of fuel. He tried to guide the plane AWAY from large populated areas since he KNEW they were going to crash. He is a TRUE hero!!! The pilots were suffering from hypoxia as well when the controller asked if the switch was in the correct position--and they asked the same question about the control panel. The REAL fault of this crash lands on the mechanic that did the pressurization test and didn't adjust the switch BACK in the PROPPER position. Criminal charges were brought against him in the end of the investigation. He appealed it (of course!). It's HARD to fathom that a simple switch caused this crash. How messed up is that?!?🤦 R.I.P ANDREAS PRODROMOU AND THE REST OF HELIOS FLIGHT 522..🙏💔🧑✈️✈️
@@wikkidfury of course the mechanic is used as a scapegoat.. was it his fault? to an extend yes. was it the pilots fault for not doing the damn checklists?? pretty much. but you can't put in jail a dead person to ease the pain of the families...
Apparently the warning sounds were different but they mistook it for the more common sound and didn't listen to the engineer who asked them to check the pressure. There were tons of opportunities to prevent thid
This accident is a bit crushing as, if that lone aircrew member had had another half hour or an hour, at least it would be a fighting chance. I've been "popped" when I was doing my SCUBA training and it is very disturbing and scary when you think it can happen in a danger situation.
Excellent video. I was not familiar with this incident. Very haunting, in that the tragedy could have so easily been averted. Especially considering, as the author says, dozens of similar situations occurred in the industry before this crash forced them to address the problem. Somehow, the more preventable the accident, the sadder it feels.
Manual press mode is not off as you say. Manual is manual and can control press by crew positioning the outflow valve. Aircraft crashed a bit to the north of my home. A sad day.
This crash is quite a famous crash and I had seen it in 2 UA-cam channels.. but I liked the way you coaxed or dragged me into watching the video by using a title is ghosts in control ... That was epic 🔥🔥.A subscriber just for the title mate good luck ...
11:15 This is probably why, despite the conditions for a ghost flight accident existing for decades, this sort of thing was a rare occurence. Pre-9/11 Flight Attendents could have easily alerted the pilots to the situation in the cabin
Yeah, to know that his one small mistake might be the cause of so many lives lost. Oh, the amount of regret he must live with everyday! I can't even imagine..
Not wholly the guys fault, although checklist items are often "checked" without actually verifying due to expectation bias (that switch has never been in position MAN/TEST/SBY, therefore I expect to see it in AUTO).
@@manyshnooks Complacency on checklists is unfortunately a very common cause of incidents; they get so used to nothing being out of the ordinary that they just read the checklist items without actually checking what the checklist tells them to check; they just assume it's OK without actually looking.
The engineer told them to check that the pressurisation is switched to auto. That might give him some peace of mind but then again if it dwells in his mind that hypoxia had already set in, then that won't help. But then again the pilot missed four prior opportunities to see the problem.
This is bad. One of the worse accidents, IMHO. Someone trapped on a Flying Dutchman, knowing they were doomed. And after all hope had been given up, takes that extra effort to make sure that no other lives were lost by ditching the plane in uninhabited territory. Empathy and horror run deep on this one.
My dad had recently retired from being in the air force as an ATC and he told me that the flight should have been shot down over the sea long before it ever reached Athens but the ministry of interior hesitated to shot the aircraft down in fear of the backlash from the public
@@speedbird9313 right and you say that's because? You know more about this particular accident ? I doubt it mate ! My dad was in the air force for 30 years . Think before you speak.
@@mariosgameplay8373 So your dad knows much about this particular accident because he was in the air force for 30 years?! 😆😂 Fantastic🤪 So he was in the Hellenic Air Force then?
It was probably a harbinger of things to come. That particular Aircraft had a history of pressurisation problems and Helios Airways had a poor reputation for safety. It was clear that they had employed below-standard pilots and were cutting corners by not investigating airframe faults thoroughly and not conducting sufficient oversight of their Maintenance Staff. The airline rapidly disappeared following the Grammatiko Mishap, but there are still quite a few low-cost operators in that part of the world whose safety standards are below par.
After watching so many GDA videos, he could have engaged the flaps to slow down But since they were all 2 hours without noraml oxygen it's very unlikely anyone would have survived. Plus all the pressure of seeing 2 fighter jets and him being the only 1 alive not knowing what to do exactly, and also the fuel running out pretty much sealed the fate
That's so sad the one guy used 3 oxygen bottles staying alive and he must've broken the door down because those doors are solid and always locked aren't they to prevent terrorism
The way it works is that cabin crew has a code to open door. Once they enter it, flight crew is notified and has a few seconds to override it (in case they suspect an attempt to breach cockpit). If they don't, the door unlocks. Since he was a FA and pilots were unconscious, he could easily get in.
The story of this flight remains the most sorrowful aviation story I've ever heard. Andreas was fighting for hours against his own mind under hypoxia, yet he still managed to maneuver the aircraft away from densely populated areas before the crash. If he had more time - if he reached the cockpit sooner... He was a flight attendant on the path to becoming a big jet pilot. I'm certain that if circumstances had given him just slightly more opportunity he would have saved the aircraft, and perhaps many or all onboard.
Wild that it took until 2005 for something like this to happen. And it's good the only other times it has happened, both previous to this incident, and after, have been on smaller jets. Definitely seems like something that should have been sorted out in the decades prior though.
In 2005, a 1GB USB stick would cost about 100 bucks which would have let you store about 100 hours of voice record. But this black box was at the very end with 30 minutes.
I was only 9 years old when this happened but I remember how big topic this was then on television and in the news, of course I was still young enough to understand the seriousness of the incident but especially as an adult it is scary how such smalls oversights can cause such tragedies
I find it strange that all that's recommended by crash investigators is tame. A simple reliable fix would be that if the cabin pressure control is NOT set to auto, then the plane should be prevented from climbing above 10,000ft.
Also seems like oxygen should have its own alarm and should override most other alarms (or at least sound alongside), as an analogue to oxygen mask deployment in the passenger cabin (unambiguous and in-your-face).
I think he learnt based on his recent videos that people dont like to know whether or not it crashed until the end. Telling me at the start just puts me off
How is the plane even able to fly with such important settings turned off? Shouldn't there be some sort of automatic check that disables the airplane if such vital settings aren't active?
My thought is that planes should always automatically set themselves to auto when a plane takes off. You should only be able to set to manual manually and with a couple of warnings of possible consequences. Or not at all, depending on whether there's any legitimate case for using manual while airborne.
I did my ground school with the Captains son. A lovely guy but, well he was a bit maverick, super bright, missed lessons, didn't study that hard and walked through every exam getting good marks. They said he was just like his dad. Being super bright can be dangerous in the cockpit. The Captain was probable a really capable pilot but the records show, F/O's didn't like flying with him. You can be the best pilot in the world but without oxygen you are nothing. The ground engineer nearly saved his life but he didn't listen. Hubris ran deep. As for the valiant attempt by the steward, he was a button press away from possible surviving. He just either forgot to press the button or more likely pressed the wrong button. Flight sim was still new back then, now any kid doing his CPL will have flown a 737 or similar at home and would know how to find ALT and dial in 10'000ft. I really feel for him, if he had managed to contact ATC they could have got him to the runway and a possible autoland. One further point. When I was cabin crew in England, after a decompression, it was grab a mask and sit down. (on a passengers lap if necessary.) When it was safe to do so, go monkey fashion, swinging from mask to mask until you reached crew portable oxygen. Once on portable, check your colleagues down the back and make sure the pilots are OK. You should know they were OK as you would feel the aircraft roll right and start a rapid decent. Next time you travel on a plane. Give the crew some respect, some of them are pilots too and even if they aren't, they are fire fighters, medics, councillors and anything else that flight throws at them.
@@speedbird9313 He had a commercial pilot licence. He would know to press the PTT button but may have mistakenly pressed something else. Had he have got through to ATC they could have guided him through the Auto Pilot
@@harveysmith100 Thought you meant the press mode selector🙄 But he wouldnt know where the PPT button would be on a B737 either, and by the time he entered the cockpit it would probably be too late anyways.
@@speedbird9313 It would have been too late for everyone else but he could have saved himself. I do wonder if his portable oxygen had run out and he was going hypoxic. He would have known the PTT was on the yoke but not which button. My sadness from experience down the back and up front was why didn't he or another cabin crew get into the flight deck sooner. We were trained to get onto portable Oxy as soon as is safe to do so, the clue is in the name. "Portable." You are then free to move around normally, assist others and check the pilots. The masks would have dropped as the aircraft passed 14'000ft, had he got to the cockpit before 25'000ft he could have saved them. All cabin crew are trained to use and fit the pilot oxygen masks onto incapacitated pilots
@@harveysmith100 I know..🙄 But why would he had known the PTT was on the yoke? Is that the location on the single propeller aircraft on his CPL type rating?🤔 If he knew it was on the yoke, he would have found it, not a lot of switches or buttons on the yoke😉 You are free to move around now, but in 2005 at Helios they had the older and bigger version, not that portable really. I too find it really strange that the chief flight attendant at the fwd station didnt call, and then enter the flight deck a few minutes after the mask drop🙄🤔
I think your model showed the wrong cabin pressure panel. 3 Greens mentioned that they had used the same setup you use too in an earlier video, but when re recording they had discovered that the actual accident plane used a digital panel that looks differently... e.g. it has only three settings and not 5 or 6 like this selection knob...
@Green dot aviation im from greece and ive actually heard about this plane crash put ive never heard the real reason of what exacly happend and the couse of it so thanks alot for making this video ive just found it and click on it your the best
Oh wow, if the flight attendant had managed to successfully send a mayday call, ATC could've helped him get the plane below 10 000 ft, at which point the pilots would've regained consciousness (assuming obviously that he got the call out in time before too much damage was done) He was a pilot, so he had a rough idea what the displays mean, and the autopilot could do the flying, with the flight attendant reading back data to ATC.
"the person in the captain's seat responded with a hand motion" and "the F16 pilot responded with a hand signal to follow him on down to the airport" and "the person in the captain's seat pointed downwards" (i think to show his intent which was to try to land the plane) but he did NOT follow the F16. Either he didn't understand the F16 pilot's hand signal to follow or he couldn't navigate the plane to follow him. I wonder which one it was.
If he was a pilot, knew that everyone was passed out, AND had an O2 bottle, why in the heck didn't he push the yoke forward and take it down to 10,000'?
At that point, I think the pilots were probably dead so taking it to 10000 ft wouldn't have helped much. He wouldn't have known how to land a plane like that.
By that time, everyone on board had been hypoxic for at least 2 hours. More than enough time to cause severe brain damage. Even if he had managed this AND managed to land the plane there's almost no chance anyone on that plane would've survived and likely been pronounced dead the scene or shortly after getting to a hospital.
Great videos! Been binge watching a few the past couple hours. Maybe I missed in the video, but was there no oxygen sensor inside the cockpit to warn of lowering oxygen levels? Basically the first warning well before the masks will drop?
The cabin altitude warning was mistook for the take off config warnings as they are the same alarm and reportedly there was no light on the dash to show this. If they looked up they’d see the pressure indicator but they were convinced it was takeoff as they probably heard that more than cabin altitude warning
The fact that the crew incorrectly identified the warning horn is unforgivable. That horn can only have 1 meaning inflight and every crew member should be very much aware of this.
Imagine if Podromou managed to land the plane. He & his girlfriend would probably come down the slides yet the passengers, pilots & remaining flight attendants would probably still be dead...
Honestly, like 95% of these incidents, it almost always comes down to Boeing being super sketchy, cheap, cost cutting douchebags. Glad its coming out more and more publicly now with the recent incidents
Seriously though I just dont get why having no pressure and O2 isnt a MASSIVE blinking light instead of just one small icon blending in with 20 others haha.. should be absolutely unavoidable
I’m surprised that they concluded that a person with a commercial pilots license wouldn’t be able to land the plane in any scenario. Obviously he was in a degraded state, but if he had been able to contact ATC much earlier they could have found a pilot who could instruct him to set the autopilot to descend to 10,000, and after he had more oxygen try give him instructions to set up an instrument landing somewhere. Maybe I’m naive about this, but I’d think that given he knew a lot of terminology and had landed smaller planes, and with autopilot assistance, he’d at least have a chance if a type rated instructor was guiding him through each step.
If Im not mistaken, the investigation board concluded that he wouldnt be likely to land the plane from the moment he entered the flight deck🤔 The board was also puzzled why he, or any of the other FAs didnt enter the flight deck at an earlier stage.
So that flight attendant sat in his seat sucking down 3 air breathers while everyone around him was passed out unconscious. 😮 What a total moron! Had he acted any sooner he could have saved the day. Makes you wonder maybe he was responsible for the accident.
@@GreenDotAviation But there must be a warning instructing the pilots to put on their masks, right? I wonder why the pilots didn't comply and descended down to a safe altitude immediately.
@@ajinkyamehere5365 The pressurisation configuration warning alarm would have sounded as the aircraft climbed and there would also be a warning light showing on the pressurisation panel on the overhead when the aircraft wasn't pressurising. The pilots should have donned their oxygen masks as soon this sounded. For some reason they didnt and lost consciousness.
@@ricgsy7825 Dude..there is NOTHING that is called the "pressurization configuration warning alarm"🙆🏻♂️ There is also not a warning light on the pressurization panel when the aircaft isnt pressurized☝🏻
The thought of being that one person alone in a cockpit with no idea of what happened and how to land the plane sends chills up my spine... imagine being that person all alone while everyone is passed out and you can do nothing but wait until the plane crashes
I just don't understand how someone could be conscious after 2.5h but also not check on the pilots the whole time. He must have seen that all the passengers were passed out for hours. Did he fall unconscious and wake up again? Is that even possible?
@@hxllsideI wonder if maybe as people began to die, there was less breathing and thus enough oxygen for someone who is capable of consciousness at low oxygen to regain it?
@@hxllsideI haven't watch the video yet but if hypoxia is the issue it probably means he wasn't able to think clearly or formulate a proper plan just due to the lack of oxygen in his brain, he was probably running himself in circles.
@@Matt-jp6ifhe probably just had a genetic quirk of some kind that allowed his brain to function with less oxygen or more efficiently or whatever. Much like how the best marathon runners have very special muscles for such a distances
@@chicken29843 yeah, my question mainly came from it needing to be one hell of a difference if he lasted for so long when others didn’t. Surely if it was simply a quirk then he would have only lasted 30-40 minutes extra before also going out. Hence why I think maybe he needed less oxygen to be conscious from a genetic quirk, so then as people died there was enough oxygen for him to regain it.
Im old aircrew and now I understand why the airlines subjected us to hypoxia at least twice in my career. We needed to understand and recognise. It was scary as we thought we were ok when in fact, we struggled to do simple things.
I love your channel. It's brilliant. Thank you.
Crazy that most training and safety rules are written in blood. That’s good they made you do hypoxia training to know what the symptoms are.
You didn't know why they subjected you to hypoxia until you watched this video? Didn't they tell you why you were exposed to it?
that's horrifying.
It doesn't matter if you understand and recognize. Your brain knows it must do something but it can't figure out what
This is so crazy (hypoxia) and your comment puts it in clear perspective.
I remember this case from Mayday, it's my favorite episode from the series simply due to how unbelievable the whole incident is.
It really is appalling how preventable this was. And while pressurisation issues are now less frequent, this kind of thing hasn't stopped: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45584300
@@GreenDotAviation Jesus Christ, even after everything that’s happened in the past, that somehow happened in 2018, that’s terrifying
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That is an absolutely horrifying story! You wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy.
Do the modern planes display very obvious and loud alert in case of depressurization?
I sure hope so!
This one always gets me, the fact that if in some miracle the flight attendant had landed the plane, that all the passengers would have been inured beyond repair is not a thought I like to think of
Yes, and maybe he could have managed ist, who knows, at least he could bring down the plane from more than 10.000 to less than 3.000 meters. But he tried too late and I do ask myself why? And why did none of the cabin crew members tell the pilots immediately what happened, that the oxygem masks fell down in the cabin? The pilots could have taken their owns masks and bring the plane down. Why did this not happen? I am sure the cabin crews knww what to do in such a case as they must know that the oxygen is sufficient for only 12 minutes.
@@urotewelt7069 EXACTLY. Andreas seemed to have total recall as to where the portable O2 canisters were, yet seemed to have forgotten that he was actually a licensed COMMERCIAL pilot (though not on the "type"). Had he entered the flight deck earlier, he could have had all the oxygen he wanted via the pilots' masks, he could have radioed for help on the ground, and they might have been able to get him down. WHY DID HE WAIT?? He wandered around for 2 hours! Knowing the code for the cockpit the whole time! He let his girlfriend die?? WHY? If he had reacted quickly, he may have at least been able to get the plane below 10,000 feet and save SOME lives. What was he doing for 2 hours, on a plane full of brain-dead travelers?? He was the only one (besides possibly Haris) that had plenty of oxygen, but seemed even MORE zombie-like than the passengers. There was a chance for heroism. Like, better than just turning the plane to the LEFT, heroism. And the NTSB needs to step up its game and start doing more forensic testing (on the used canisters, FOR INSTANCE. just an idea!), especially with crashes like this, where the plane did not just dissolve on impact. They also could have tested the pilots masks, the switch in question (since it was found PAST the manual setting, and it was unable to be determined if it happened in the crash or not), tons of things. Welcome to 2024.
@@azigoodwin4211 Yes, everything was very strange.
The thought of, if that poor 25 year-old had been able to land the plane, every single person aboard besides him being reduced to a severely brain-damaged vegetable is honestly far more unsettling than the actual outcome. Imagine being the medical personnel in charge of removing them all from the plane.
If he, or any of the other flight attendants had done what was logical this accident would never occured at all🤷🏻♂️
@@speedbird9313Terrible take on this
@@timpost2981 Sad but true
Accidents happen that's life ask your mom you were her accident @@speedbird9313
@@somiy4 The Allied Signal FDR used on this aircraft has a 50 hour recording capacity, so you mean the Fairchild CVR😉 You can determine a few thing by way of elimination. If the cabin crew contacted the flight deck the pilots would have reacted since they didnt know the passenger oxygen masks were down🤷🏻♂️"Everyone was experiencing mild hypoxia before the masks even dropped"?! Why are you lying? So aircraft design engineers will set the altitude for an automatic mask drop after hypoxia normally occurs?!
Are you mental?!🤦🏻♂️ I find having an opinion about something when being as clueless as you is disrespectful.
The flight crew did NOT show any sign of hypoxia when the cabin altitude warning sounded.
All aviation accidents are a tragedy but the lessons learned from them save many others. RIP to all those onboard Helios 522.
God Bless that poor soul who had to witness his approaching demise alone😞😓😭
He was probably like only halfway conscious to be fair
@@azugirl111 i wish i could believe so but he tried to fly the plane which implies he was lucid enough to know the situation😓😥
@Ali Al-Mahdi i can't imagine the hopelessness he must've felt😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
lol. your ''God'' allowed that poor soul to suffer horrendously before his demise.
That came to mind for me as well. What a lonely way to die. At least he died trying to land the doomed thing.
The fighter jets seeing a mysterious man in the cockpit not noticing them or worse purposefully ignoring them is absolutely traumatizing, to top all off it slowly Dawned on the Jet pilots that this entire plane is gonna crash killing every person on it
He did notice them
If the last standing MAN had fainted like the others, the casualties would be hundreds if not thousands souls more! Because the plane was headed into the capital city Athens. RESIDENTIAL areas, at that!
God had a purpose in keeping him awake! Because he needed to save those souls on the ground.
He veered the plane off on purpose, I hope everyone has got that.
I’m sure I will see him soon in our Father’s heavenly kingdom, greeting the rest of us with our Lord Jesus Christ.
HalleluYah!!! 🙏❤😍 💐
@@InspektoraDeFrutas please remove gender-specific term
@@user-jt5vm3mi1wWhat? 😂
@@InspektoraDeFrutas”hundred people died, all according to the Gods plan hallelujaa!! 💅💅💅”
Religious people truly sound insane sometimes
Greek here, if you listen to the footage from the intercept you'll hear the controller of the F16s vector in a second pair on intercept course because the plane was heading into a residential area. Patriot batteries were also on standby. The intercepted got called off after the plane veered off into Grammatiko and final heading was confirmed. The footage from the second F16, which was behind and to the left of the plane has not been released.
I can't imagine the terror that last person felt. It seems like it would be better to be unconscious at that point if there's nothing you can do. I wonder if he took the oxygen mask off when he knew it was going down. I would've went to the back, buckled up and let myself pass out.
at least he had the opportunity to think about those he had loved in his life. The others may have believed they were going to survive and just drifted off - never to wake again.
@LPCLASSICAL I feel like that would be WAAAAY better than waking up knowing full well you are about to die.
@@citizensnips3850Well, honestly, when the oxygen masks drop, you usually know full well that death is imminent.
Some reports say that he wasn't alone. His girlfriend, who was also a flight attendant on that plane, was somewhere around in the cockpit with him in the end
He was someone who didn't give up. I think all he thought about was landing that plane, and no further.
my neighbours were on that flight. nice people, beautiful couple. Also keep in mind that the plane, landed smoothly by the efforts of Andreas Prodromou on the hill but crashed uncontrolably on the next hill. One of the F16 pilots contacted Andreas father, reassurred him that they did not took down the plane, and that he must be proud of his son, who did everything he could to save the plane knowing how little his chances were.
Andreas Prodromou had received over 200 hours of Flying Instruction and held a Commercial Aviation Licence. Therefore, he would have been sufficiently aware of the tuning and use of Radios, of the correct procedures following an Explosive Decompression at altitude, of the protocols for landing an aircraft in principle, of the need to keep himself adequately supplied with oxygen until the 737 had descended to 8,000 feet AMSL, and the priorities which must be set to ensure the maximum chance of survival for all the souls aboard. Instead, he appears to have done nothing of value whatsoever. A sad, preventable Mishap which none of those involved had the intelligence to mitigate or avert.
@@johnstedman4075 you sound like those dumb guys who never experienced a real danger in their life and still talking how would they manage to overcome the situation. If you think 200 hours are enough for someone to act like they are flying for ages then you know nothing of the real world
Your comment is preposterous and does not merit any detailed reply.
@@johnstedman4075 This chair pilot thinks he could have done better. Right...
This one is heartbreaking. Andreas is a way stronger person than me. Maybe he felt some obligation to at least try to save the plane because he had a pilot license and was a flight attendant. If I were in his position, I would have just let the hypoxia overtake me and just go down not knowing what was about to happen.
I did read he managed to turn the plane away from Athens while it was in the air, which must have been why he pointed down after the plane banked left when the fighter jet pilot tried to get his attention. I believe he fully knew that the plane was going to crash and that he would rather it happen away from the city to keep the death toll from being even higher. If that's the case, he is a true hero.
Sorry to tell you, but that last part is only found in wikipedia and youtube videoes😕
You should read the official accident report.
The aircraft banked left after engine #1 flamed out.
Hypoxia isn't something anyone can fight against. It doesn't depend on how much will power you have.
“I would have just let the hypoxia over take me”
Lmaoooooooo 😂😂😂
This crash has always haunted me. Your presentation is top-notch. I hope your channel grows!
Yes it’s haunting because of that 1 passenger, I felt so bad, poor guy. I wish he had just fainted like the rest
This must be the third or fourth video of yours I have watched and they have all been very well made. I would not be surprised if your channel starts to grow very rapidly soon. All the best wishes for your channel.
Thank you very much :)
What's the difference whether his channel "grows" or not ? It's a Great Channel anyway. There are YT channels with 100K subscribers that are PURE Click Bait. A large following on YT may just mean that your channel is a Social Magnet for MORONS. Most Americans are too "dumbed down" by Public School Education to even appreciate a technical channel like this one. This channel assumes that the viewer has a Functional Brain, which is a pretty high bar for most YT visitors. to reach.
Thanks :) I apperciate your feedback
@@Player-fg4ubyou are too kind ty so much
@@kylec171 hhhahahhahahaa
Had a friends on this flight, a family of 4. Husband, wife and their two sons 17 and 12. They were going on holiday to celebrate the younger son was going to start high school come September. Also have acquaintances who were flight attendants that worked on this plane and reported multiple issues with the air conditioning, cabin pressure and other electrical problems that were consistently ignored.
I remember the day this happened, the whole island was in such shock, we didn't know for hours what had happened, if it was another terrorist attack like 9/11 and if anyone had survived, there were false reports of shepherds in the area saving some passengers but obviously later in the day it was revealed that everyone had perished. The bodies were so burnt it took months to identify them via DNA analysis volunteered by surviving family members.
I was in Cyprus at the time this happened. This was utterly traumatising for everybody on the island.
The only story so far to shake me this much at the thought of it. Hearing the moment they went dark i tied it to oxygen related. Cant imagine the stress of the one guy as well. Sounded like the maintenance guy over comms as well realized exactly what was happening just before the plane went silent and barely missed the chance to tell them to switch it to auto
Having seen I do believe every aviation video and program covering this crash, I held off on watching this one because I was rather certain that there was nothing left for me to learn.
I was wrong.
Superb job!
Thanks! :)
What's scary about this to me as I used to visit family in Cyprus most summers and flew with Helios many times, they only ever owned 3 aircraft and it's very likely that I have at some point been in this very aircraft, my grandmother had flew with Helios from Larnaca to Athens a week prior on this very aircraft. It's the closest I have ever been to a disaster like this.
Your videos are truly exceptional, because it’s concise, and very well researched. It’s not like most other air crash videos - sensational, longwinded, overly dramatic and overly technical. You really have created the best possible air crash analysis videos!!
This was as chilling as it was interesting. Well done!
Thank you!
These videos are so addictive. Nicely explained in a very calming voice. I love them. A very well done job. 👏👏
Thank you!
This crash happened in 2005, but following 9/11 it was mandated (around 2003) that all aircraft should have reinforced and lockable cockpit doors.
So how did a cabin crew member gain access to the cockpit? Or did this mandate not apply to Helios at the time?
Aircraft cabin crew know the passwords to open the cabin doors. The pilots can nullify that if they know there is say a terrorist on the plane. But in this case there is no one active so the cabin guy most likely just used the keycode.
Was this crash a murder/suicide? I swear I read or heard somewhere that this was because there was something to do with murder/suicide.
@@katkenobi6765 Last time I checked, no. It is a Flight Attendant that entered the cockpit. Highly likely confused about what the hell just happened. Also, if it was that kind of situation, what should've been heard from the CVR would either be gunshots, or something that the pilots would be doing, and/or communicating to the tower before being unconscious. But to what I know, a mayday was called before they went unconscious.
🧑✈️It was flight attendant Andreas Prodromou that entered the cockpit and tried to fly the plane. At the time, he had gotten or was in training to acquire his pilot license and could fly, but not that actual plane. His girlfriend was on board with him and when he didn't get a response from the cockpit (assumed bcuz of his training as an FA) and saw the oxygen masks had deployed, he KNEW something bad was wrong with the pilots. He remembered that there were oxygen masks stored on board in a cabinet and used them to keep himself and his girlfriend from passing out. All 4 were found in the wreckage used and they lasted up to an hour. When he knew he couldn't save everyone, he went to the cockpit himself to try to land. He was still suffering from hypoxia himself but it was too late. The plane had run out of fuel. He tried to guide the plane AWAY from large populated areas since he KNEW they were going to crash. He is a TRUE hero!!!
The pilots were suffering from hypoxia as well when the controller asked if the switch was in the correct position--and they asked the same question about the control panel. The REAL fault of this crash lands on the mechanic that did the pressurization test and didn't adjust the switch BACK in the PROPPER position. Criminal charges were brought against him in the end of the investigation. He appealed it (of course!). It's HARD to fathom that a simple switch caused this crash. How messed up is that?!?🤦
R.I.P ANDREAS PRODROMOU AND THE REST OF HELIOS FLIGHT 522..🙏💔🧑✈️✈️
@@wikkidfury of course the mechanic is used as a scapegoat.. was it his fault? to an extend yes. was it the pilots fault for not doing the damn checklists?? pretty much. but you can't put in jail a dead person to ease the pain of the families...
It's very stupid for an airplane to sound a warning but not clearly indicate what it is warning about.
Apparently the warning sounds were different but they mistook it for the more common sound and didn't listen to the engineer who asked them to check the pressure. There were tons of opportunities to prevent thid
@@annnee6818 yeah, they did not listen to the engineer to check the pressure if they're not set to auto. 3:15
@@france.449likely hypoxic
This one is truly sad. Cant even imagine the stress levels poor Andreas felt.
I've heard the story of Helios 522 before but I was glad to listen to it again here, and it was really well told like all of your videos
This accident is a bit crushing as, if that lone aircrew member had had another half hour or an hour, at least it would be a fighting chance.
I've been "popped" when I was doing my SCUBA training and it is very disturbing and scary when you think it can happen in a danger situation.
He entered the cockpit after nearly three hours, so he kind of did.
This is a tragic story. Well presented sir.
Thank you sir
Excellent video. I was not familiar with this incident. Very haunting, in that the tragedy could have so easily been averted. Especially considering, as the author says, dozens of similar situations occurred in the industry before this crash forced them to address the problem.
Somehow, the more preventable the accident, the sadder it feels.
Manual press mode is not off as you say. Manual is manual and can control press by crew positioning the outflow valve. Aircraft crashed a bit to the north of my home. A sad day.
Here, have a virtual hug. 🤗
Great review of this tragedy! And with interesting parts of the story I never heard before. Thanks
Thanks, I always try to dig a bit deeper into these accidents.
Wow these videos are so well made, sad about the crash but the fact that switches and dials can cause so much loss
This crash is quite a famous crash and I had seen it in 2 UA-cam channels.. but I liked the way you coaxed or dragged me into watching the video by using a title is ghosts in control ... That was epic 🔥🔥.A subscriber just for the title mate good luck ...
This one always hits me so hard.. RIP to all people on board.
One of the saddest. The lonely man in the cockpit. Checklists are there for a reason.
11:15 This is probably why, despite the conditions for a ghost flight accident existing for decades, this sort of thing was a rare occurence. Pre-9/11 Flight Attendents could have easily alerted the pilots to the situation in the cabin
They could still easily alert the pilots with the interphone system..
A common theme for a majority of these videos is gross negligence and lack of oversight
That poor Engineer. Jeez.
Breaks my heart too😰💔😭
Yeah, to know that his one small mistake might be the cause of so many lives lost. Oh, the amount of regret he must live with everyday! I can't even imagine..
Not wholly the guys fault, although checklist items are often "checked" without actually verifying due to expectation bias (that switch has never been in position MAN/TEST/SBY, therefore I expect to see it in AUTO).
@@manyshnooks Complacency on checklists is unfortunately a very common cause of incidents; they get so used to nothing being out of the ordinary that they just read the checklist items without actually checking what the checklist tells them to check; they just assume it's OK without actually looking.
The engineer told them to check that the pressurisation is switched to auto. That might give him some peace of mind but then again if it dwells in his mind that hypoxia had already set in, then that won't help. But then again the pilot missed four prior opportunities to see the problem.
This is bad. One of the worse accidents, IMHO. Someone trapped on a Flying Dutchman, knowing they were doomed. And after all hope had been given up, takes that extra effort to make sure that no other lives were lost by ditching the plane in uninhabited territory. Empathy and horror run deep on this one.
My dad had recently retired from being in the air force as an ATC and he told me that the flight should have been shot down over the sea long before it ever reached Athens but the ministry of interior hesitated to shot the aircraft down in fear of the backlash from the public
Your dad obviously hadnt done much research on this accident🤷🏻♂️
When someone really is good at using squares. They tend to make circle holes into square holes.
@@speedbird9313 right and you say that's because? You know more about this particular accident ? I doubt it mate ! My dad was in the air force for 30 years . Think before you speak.
@@CZPC well what can you expect ?
@@mariosgameplay8373 So your dad knows much about this particular accident because he was in the air force for 30 years?! 😆😂
Fantastic🤪 So he was in the Hellenic Air Force then?
Extremely good videos. You're gonna be huge
Thank you!
My auntie flew on this plane from Heathrow. She said that they froze on that trip. I don't know if that is related to this tragedy.
It was probably a harbinger of things to come. That particular Aircraft had a history of pressurisation problems and Helios Airways had a poor reputation for safety. It was clear that they had employed below-standard pilots and were cutting corners by not investigating airframe faults thoroughly and not conducting sufficient oversight of their Maintenance Staff. The airline rapidly disappeared following the Grammatiko Mishap, but there are still quite a few low-cost operators in that part of the world whose safety standards are below par.
For some reason this video brought me to tears.
Excellent re-creation!
After watching so many GDA videos, he could have engaged the flaps to slow down
But since they were all 2 hours without noraml oxygen it's very unlikely anyone would have survived.
Plus all the pressure of seeing 2 fighter jets and him being the only 1 alive not knowing what to do exactly, and also the fuel running out pretty much sealed the fate
Flaps wouldnt made any difference.. GDA? 🤔
That's so sad the one guy used 3 oxygen bottles staying alive and he must've broken the door down because those doors are solid and always locked aren't they to prevent terrorism
Nope, if it was locked he wouldnt have gotten in☝🏻
The door locking system was in the auto position or the door was open (or slightly opened).
The way it works is that cabin crew has a code to open door. Once they enter it, flight crew is notified and has a few seconds to override it (in case they suspect an attempt to breach cockpit). If they don't, the door unlocks. Since he was a FA and pilots were unconscious, he could easily get in.
Exactly 19 years after this happened in my country. May they all rest in peace.
That's sad, the weight on that dudes shoulders must've been so heavy
As a diver, I've experienced nitrogen narcosis... A sense of euphoria can get you into serious trouble.
The story of this flight remains the most sorrowful aviation story I've ever heard. Andreas was fighting for hours against his own mind under hypoxia, yet he still managed to maneuver the aircraft away from densely populated areas before the crash. If he had more time - if he reached the cockpit sooner...
He was a flight attendant on the path to becoming a big jet pilot. I'm certain that if circumstances had given him just slightly more opportunity he would have saved the aircraft, and perhaps many or all onboard.
No, he didnt😕 You should stop searching wikipedia for facts and read the official accident report.
I remember watching the MayDay episode of this disaster. What a surreal event
Wild that it took until 2005 for something like this to happen. And it's good the only other times it has happened, both previous to this incident, and after, have been on smaller jets. Definitely seems like something that should have been sorted out in the decades prior though.
There were previous incidents on 737s, but they figured it out at either the cabin altitude warning or the passenger oxygen mask drop.
Wow! A ghost plane indeed.
In 2005, a 1GB USB stick would cost about 100 bucks which would have let you store about 100 hours of voice record. But this black box was at the very end with 30 minutes.
Was at the very end? It only recorded the last 30 mins regardless..
This is a crazy story
That poor lonely soul
I was only 9 years old when this happened but I remember how big topic this was then on television and in the news, of course I was still young enough to understand the seriousness of the incident but especially as an adult it is scary how such smalls oversights can cause such tragedies
I find it strange that all that's recommended by crash investigators is tame.
A simple reliable fix would be that if the cabin pressure control is NOT set to auto, then the plane should be prevented from climbing above 10,000ft.
Also seems like oxygen should have its own alarm and should override most other alarms (or at least sound alongside), as an analogue to oxygen mask deployment in the passenger cabin (unambiguous and in-your-face).
@@henryptung It makes me wonder how the heck they remember to fit the wings !
Or should not be set to manual in any flying condition.
@@henryptung Exactly, massive design flaw by Boeing was the root cause.
"Beep beep OXYGEN, beep beep OXYGEN!"
That isn´t that hard, is it.
I don't even understand why a 'manual' setting would even be necessary! Asking for trouble surely!!
Thank you for sharing please I’d love to see more videos like these
More to come!
Yes the gentleman is correct I personally just came across ur page ! 😁 I’m sure ur page will soon take off as fast as the planes 🤔😁
Just always and religiously check that list called 'CHECKLIST'. You will not regret it.
Pilot error, basically...
Oh now I see why hypoxia training/drills are conducted in flight training. That shit _sucks_
Again, great job!
Good retelling …. Just found you.. have subbed
Thanks!
I saw this same accident on another channel and it was better documented and explained there
I think he learnt based on his recent videos that people dont like to know whether or not it crashed until the end. Telling me at the start just puts me off
How is the plane even able to fly with such important settings turned off? Shouldn't there be some sort of automatic check that disables the airplane if such vital settings aren't active?
Its a manual setting, so it wasnt turned off.
I love your videos, narration and accent :D!
Thank you! 😃
I watch you nearly every time now that I have found this channel I think Monday
i remember watching this on Aircrash investigations, good to know the name of the guy who flew it after all these years
Nobody actually flew it..🤷🏻♂️
Clearly those 2 alarm tones shouldn't be the same
My thought is that planes should always automatically set themselves to auto when a plane takes off. You should only be able to set to manual manually and with a couple of warnings of possible consequences. Or not at all, depending on whether there's any legitimate case for using manual while airborne.
Its a redundancy if both CPCs are out. But dont you think the Airbus solution is good enough?
I did my ground school with the Captains son. A lovely guy but, well he was a bit maverick, super bright, missed lessons, didn't study that hard and walked through every exam getting good marks.
They said he was just like his dad.
Being super bright can be dangerous in the cockpit. The Captain was probable a really capable pilot but the records show, F/O's didn't like flying with him.
You can be the best pilot in the world but without oxygen you are nothing.
The ground engineer nearly saved his life but he didn't listen. Hubris ran deep.
As for the valiant attempt by the steward, he was a button press away from possible surviving. He just either forgot to press the button or more likely pressed the wrong button.
Flight sim was still new back then, now any kid doing his CPL will have flown a 737 or similar at home and would know how to find ALT and dial in 10'000ft.
I really feel for him, if he had managed to contact ATC they could have got him to the runway and a possible autoland.
One further point. When I was cabin crew in England, after a decompression, it was grab a mask and sit down. (on a passengers lap if necessary.) When it was safe to do so, go monkey fashion, swinging from mask to mask until you reached crew portable oxygen. Once on portable, check your colleagues down the back and make sure the pilots are OK.
You should know they were OK as you would feel the aircraft roll right and start a rapid decent.
Next time you travel on a plane. Give the crew some respect, some of them are pilots too and even if they aren't, they are fire fighters, medics, councillors and anything else that flight throws at them.
The flight attendant wouldnt have known which button to press (or turn in this instance).
@@speedbird9313 He had a commercial pilot licence. He would know to press the PTT button but may have mistakenly pressed something else.
Had he have got through to ATC they could have guided him through the Auto Pilot
@@harveysmith100 Thought you meant the press mode selector🙄 But he wouldnt know where the PPT button would be on a B737 either, and by the time he entered the cockpit it would probably be too late anyways.
@@speedbird9313 It would have been too late for everyone else but he could have saved himself.
I do wonder if his portable oxygen had run out and he was going hypoxic.
He would have known the PTT was on the yoke but not which button.
My sadness from experience down the back and up front was why didn't he or another cabin crew get into the flight deck sooner.
We were trained to get onto portable Oxy as soon as is safe to do so, the clue is in the name. "Portable." You are then free to move around normally, assist others and check the pilots.
The masks would have dropped as the aircraft passed 14'000ft, had he got to the cockpit before 25'000ft he could have saved them.
All cabin crew are trained to use and fit the pilot oxygen masks onto incapacitated pilots
@@harveysmith100 I know..🙄
But why would he had known the PTT was on the yoke? Is that the location on the single propeller aircraft on his CPL type rating?🤔
If he knew it was on the yoke, he would have found it, not a lot of switches or buttons on the yoke😉
You are free to move around now, but in 2005 at Helios they had the older and bigger version, not that portable really.
I too find it really strange that the chief flight attendant at the fwd station didnt call, and then enter the flight deck a few minutes after the mask drop🙄🤔
I think your model showed the wrong cabin pressure panel. 3 Greens mentioned that they had used the same setup you use too in an earlier video, but when re recording they had discovered that the actual accident plane used a digital panel that looks differently... e.g. it has only three settings and not 5 or 6 like this selection knob...
@Green dot aviation im from greece and ive actually heard about this plane crash put ive never heard the real reason of what exacly happend and the couse of it so thanks alot for making this video ive just found it and click on it your the best
Well I’ve watched all your vids now, more please 😆
A more important question: Why is there an F-14 in the thumbnail?!
This is so sad. May they all Rest in Peace 🕊️🤍💐
Oh wow, if the flight attendant had managed to successfully send a mayday call, ATC could've helped him get the plane below 10 000 ft, at which point the pilots would've regained consciousness (assuming obviously that he got the call out in time before too much damage was done)
He was a pilot, so he had a rough idea what the displays mean, and the autopilot could do the flying, with the flight attendant reading back data to ATC.
Manual should be set with a key and warning strip. Like a manual override setting. Then it will remain on auto for the flight.
Not a good idea if the pilots needs to use the manual position during flight if both CPCs should fail..
@@speedbird9313 Wasn't it on manual?
@@petersmith8134 Yep, but thats not the point..
Creepy and disturbing
This is why all planes should be able to be controlled remotely
"the person in the captain's seat responded with a hand motion" and "the F16 pilot responded with a hand signal to follow him on down to the airport" and "the person in the captain's seat pointed downwards" (i think to show his intent which was to try to land the plane) but he did NOT follow the F16. Either he didn't understand the F16 pilot's hand signal to follow or he couldn't navigate the plane to follow him. I wonder which one it was.
0:55 my guess is a loss of pressure in the cabin and everyone passed out
Slightly incorrect..not "loss of", but "lack of".
If he was a pilot, knew that everyone was passed out, AND had an O2 bottle, why in the heck didn't he push the yoke forward and take it down to 10,000'?
At that point, I think the pilots were probably dead so taking it to 10000 ft wouldn't have helped much. He wouldn't have known how to land a plane like that.
Ran out of fuel.
@@jasminda2401 he was a real g, pointing down as the last joke of his life
By that time, everyone on board had been hypoxic for at least 2 hours. More than enough time to cause severe brain damage. Even if he had managed this AND managed to land the plane there's almost no chance anyone on that plane would've survived and likely been pronounced dead the scene or shortly after getting to a hospital.
Quite possible he was also hypoxic, throws your reason all over the place.
What a crazy story, that gentleman was a real warrior. He almost made it
Great videos! Been binge watching a few the past couple hours. Maybe I missed in the video, but was there no oxygen sensor inside the cockpit to warn of lowering oxygen levels? Basically the first warning well before the masks will drop?
There is a cabin altitude warning that did go off at 10000ft cabin altitude, like it should.
The cabin altitude warning was mistook for the take off config warnings as they are the same alarm and reportedly there was no light on the dash to show this. If they looked up they’d see the pressure indicator but they were convinced it was takeoff as they probably heard that more than cabin altitude warning
The biggest horror is a non responsive pilot wether to ground control or crew staff…
Does "crew staff" mean cabin crew? 🤔
@@speedbird9313 cabin crew* thank you lol
The fact that the crew incorrectly identified the warning horn is unforgivable. That horn can only have 1 meaning inflight and every crew member should be very much aware of this.
It can actual go off inflight, but yeah, it should be obvious🙄
Imagine if Podromou managed to land the plane.
He & his girlfriend would probably come down the slides yet the passengers, pilots & remaining flight attendants would probably still be dead...
I think the most surprising part of this is that the pressurization set to manual doesn’t cause a takeoff configuration warning
Honestly, like 95% of these incidents, it almost always comes down to Boeing being super sketchy, cheap, cost cutting douchebags. Glad its coming out more and more publicly now with the recent incidents
Seriously though I just dont get why having no pressure and O2 isnt a MASSIVE blinking light instead of just one small icon blending in with 20 others haha.. should be absolutely unavoidable
It is a good idea, think one of the reason is that takeoff config are sort of mechanical type settings, and the press. mode selector isnt.
14:23 post-investigation safety recommendations
Great video!
I’m surprised that they concluded that a person with a commercial pilots license wouldn’t be able to land the plane in any scenario.
Obviously he was in a degraded state, but if he had been able to contact ATC much earlier they could have found a pilot who could instruct him to set the autopilot to descend to 10,000, and after he had more oxygen try give him instructions to set up an instrument landing somewhere. Maybe I’m naive about this, but I’d think that given he knew a lot of terminology and had landed smaller planes, and with autopilot assistance, he’d at least have a chance if a type rated instructor was guiding him through each step.
If Im not mistaken, the investigation board concluded that he wouldnt be likely to land the plane from the moment he entered the flight deck🤔
The board was also puzzled why he, or any of the other FAs didnt enter the flight deck at an earlier stage.
HOW SAD
Because we're too cheap to use different warning sounds per alarm
So that flight attendant sat in his seat sucking down 3 air breathers while everyone around him was passed out unconscious. 😮 What a total moron! Had he acted any sooner he could have saved the day. Makes you wonder maybe he was responsible for the accident.
If you want to blame any of the FAs, it should be the chief FA at the fwd station..
I know this is older, but the fighter in the thumbnail is an F-14 and the ones in the event were F-16s.
I love your vids man
I don't understand why masks were not deployed in the cockpit at the same time as in the cabin for passengers ?
Pilot oxygen masks don’t deploy automatically. The pilots have to retrieve them from a compartment beside their seats.
@@GreenDotAviation But there must be a warning instructing the pilots to put on their masks, right? I wonder why the pilots didn't comply and descended down to a safe altitude immediately.
@@ajinkyamehere5365 The pressurisation configuration warning alarm would have sounded as the aircraft climbed and there would also be a warning light showing on the pressurisation panel on the overhead when the aircraft wasn't pressurising. The pilots should have donned their oxygen masks as soon this sounded. For some reason they didnt and lost consciousness.
@@ricgsy7825 Dude..there is NOTHING that is called the "pressurization configuration warning alarm"🙆🏻♂️
There is also not a warning light on the pressurization panel when the aircaft isnt pressurized☝🏻